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RealPlayer 11 Is a Real Rip Contender

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the making-enemies-on-all-sides dept.

rishimathew writes to tell us TechNewsWorld is reporting that the new RealPlayer 11, not even out of beta yet, has a lot of great new features including the ability to easily rip streaming videos from sites like YouTube, Revver, and Heavy.com. "With the release of RealPlayer 11, the company is boldly moving into another dicey realm: ripping streaming video. Sure, there are lots of means out there to capture video from sites like YouTube Latest News about YouTube, Revver, Heavy.com and such. There are programs like WM Recorder (US$49.95) and Replay A/V ($49.95), as well as Web sites like Keepvid.com and Mozilla Latest News about Mozilla Foundation Firefox add-ons like VideoDownloader. I've tried some of them. Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet."

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  1. Holy Fucking Slashvertisment, Batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've tried some of them. Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet. Alright, alright, I get it, I should buy RealPlayer 11. Enough already, Salesman! You've won. I submit. Here, I will tender all my cash to you. Give me one ... no, two ... no fifty licenses! I need them. I want them all, I don't care if it isn't out yet, I want it. I need it. I have to have it.

    MY LIFE IS NOTHING WITHOUT REALPLAYER 11!

    What? Limited supplies?

    Holy shit, give me the license now or I'll kill you. I'll kill you just like I killed that mother of four for my son's tickle-me-elmo doll. I'll do it. *makes stabbing motions* Ha-HAAAA! *stab, stab, stab* Ha-HAAAA!

    I'm a sick man ... daddy ... needs his ... RealPlayer 11!
    1. Re:Holy Fucking Slashvertisment, Batman! by Propaganda13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was going to download, but then I realized that the rip would be in a native proprietary format. Unless, of course, you pay them.

    2. Re:Holy Fucking Slashvertisment, Batman! by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only a proprietary format, but Real has always been very aggressive about going after people who try to interoperate without paying for the privilege. Which makes the fancy ripping features of RP 11 just a little ironic.

    3. Re:Holy Fucking Slashvertisment, Batman! by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am following your blog, they say actually secured (e.g. DRM) content can't be ripped and the people from industry should already use a secure media format (doesn't have to be Real) if the content was such precious.

      Digging the file from your browser/quicktime/flash cache is already possible and I don't think Youtube will go after them since half of content there are ripped from commercial TV and they make money from it already. What Real does is to make it more practical for average user.

      Before Real we should speak about a certain company who advertises their "Pro" version of player when user clicks browser plugins menu to "Save as source" (rip!). They have a file metadata/flag (in spec) to disable that option in plugin but it mysteriously gets ignored. This is going on for years now.

  2. What's the second generation of YouTube video? by rueger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh boy, now instead of mediocre YouTube video quality, we can enjoy second or even third generation copies of bad video of frat boys and drunks.....

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    1. Re:What's the second generation of YouTube video? by nocomment · · Score: 4, Funny

      So basically the same way we watched pornos in 8th grade?

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  3. Yea but if history tells me anything by DustyShadow · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...it will be the worst hijacking player of all time. I've never used Real Player because of the sole reason that it would never let me disassociate it with file types. Don't play nice, fine...you don't get installed...ever...again. Some reputations just can't be fixed, and Real ruined theirs long long ago.

    1. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
      From TFA:

      With the latest version, installation was trouble-free and surprisingly well-mannered. In the past, Real had an irksome habit of planting icons on the desktop without an owner's permission, as well as making a power grab to associate all multimedia file extensions with the player.

      This release of the software is very scrupulous about modifying a system that it has been invited to enter. What's more, the program, by default, will only claim as its own files not associated with any other applications on a computer.

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    2. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by DustyShadow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like I said, their reputation has already been ruined. What website uses real media these days anyways? I've gotten by this long without it. There are too many random media players out there. I don't need another. If Real wants to get anywhere, they should just change their name.

    3. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Angostura · · Score: 4, Informative

      "What website uses real media these days anyway?"

      The BBC for one. And the free version for the Mac is excellent. Don't know about the Windows version.

    4. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by everphilski · · Score: 3, Informative

      /shrug. Sucks to be you then. The rest of us will enjoy. I have the latest version (non-beta) at work, no popups, no annoying links, no annoying file associations. My CD's play in Windows Media Player, as do my MP3's. Just because you can't change, or comprehend that a company can listen to customers and change, doesn't mean they won't change.

    5. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I 've also had horrible experience with Real Player in the past.

      Once, I really needed to install it for a course. The professor was ingenious enough to have notes in some streaming format that required Real Player (real alternative couldn't handle it). Instead of setting up something like a VM for it, I was in a hurry so reluctantly decided to give Real Player another try (don't remember which version, it was around 2004). Despite my previous bad experiences I was unprepared for what awaited, as Real Player for some reason assumed that everybody had Windows Media Player installed and that it could hijack it as it pleased. I, of course, did not have Windows Media Player, I had replaced it completely with Media Player Classic. So, the installation crashed halfway through. It left me with a system whose registry was full of Real's (failed) hijacks, a system on which trying to launch a media file resulted in a call to mplayerc with some unrecognised command line options and a few error popups. Of course no automatic uninstallation was possible - the installer crashed before creating that.

      For me, Real is up there with Sirius Cypernetics in the all-time hall of shame, and there is no way I will ever trust their products again in an unprotected (i.e. non-vm) environment.

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    6. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by cbhacking · · Score: 4, Informative

      As somebody who, back in the Win9x days (I forget, 95 or 98) installed a early version of RealPlayer that hijacked my entire sound card while in Windows (neither system sounds nor sound from other players would play, whether RP was running or not, although I could get sound in other programs like Warcraft 2) I can certainly appreciate your view on this. That was, however, roughly a decade ago, and while I still don't care for the company and certainly won't claim they've been perfect angels since then, every now and then you should give somebody a second chance.

      RealPlayer 11 is actually a pretty good product, considering its beta status (the version I downloaded had a couple showstopper bugs on Vista, mainly involving volume control, so I don't use it much). RP10 is absolute garbage on Windows - huge, slow, bloated, ad-filled, and aggressive system changes set by default (although they can be unchecked) that I really don't care for. The version for Linux is actually a good product though - I prefer Amorak for casual listening, but for some video formats RP is a better bet than anything else I have installed.

      Also, Real has recently begun selling DRM-free MP3s through their Rhapsody online music store. The tracks are ripped at 256kbps (same as their DRMed versions) and cost the same as well. Most of their catalog is still DRMed, and the Rhapsody player itself isn't going to win any awards from me for being great software, but moving even a little away from DRM earns them big points IMO. Now, if only they would make it possible to purchase MP3s on Linux it would be even better...

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    7. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Tsiangkun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh cool, "not fucking up my computer" is a new feature in
      VERSION 11 !

      I think it is great that you can give people second chances,
      and third, and fourth, and fifth, and sixth, and seventh, and eighth
      and ninth and tenth chances too . . .
      but really don't you see the pattern here ?

      Real's reputation is horrible, and they deserve to
      have a horrible reputation. They have been a shitty
      company.

      I don't do business with shitty companies like Adaptec, SONY, and Real.

    8. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 4, Funny

      well, the commonly held belief that real play farts in your face while you are asleep is totally false.

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    9. Re:Yea but if history tells me anything by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Real Networks gives a commercial quality open source media framework and player for free and those stuff you see (e.g. V10/11) are based on that.

      https://www.helixcommunity.org/

      Don't ask why they do such a favour while people posting outdated information from 1999 exists.

  4. Obligitory by Ralphus+Maximus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buffering........... Cheers, RM

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  5. If it's from Real I won't use it. by casualsax3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's unfortunate, but I'm among those users so horribly scarred by Real so long ago that I'll just never use another product by them. I think it's the name - it just makes me nauseous now. It could be the best app on the planet - but unless they change the name I just won't go near it. End of story.

    1. Re:If it's from Real I won't use it. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used RealOne player as my sole audio player for quite some time. Once it was set up, it worked quite well. (The setup was a b!tch, though). I made the mistake of downloading version 2 when it was available. It was definitely a downgrade rather than an upgrade, and I did go back to version one for a while. I finally realized that I wanted to use a player that respected me, and started using winamp.

      (Of course, now I'm using amarok, but that's another story...)

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    2. Re:If it's from Real I won't use it. by rinkjustice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've used realplayer almost exclusively for Linux, where it's been a multi-featured godsend. I know Real burned Windows users really bad, but Linux users got hella use out of RealPlayer 10 Gold.

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    3. Re:If it's from Real I won't use it. by Tsiangkun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      me too. I don't use applications that are on version 11, and tout not taking over all my multimedia files as a feature. Give me a break, VERSION 11 !. This company deserves no love or sympathy. They already demonstrated how much respect they have for their users with the previous slew of shitty releases.

  6. And the company are still die-hard spammers, no? by seebs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, back in the day, Real spammed. A lot. They spammed constantly, they spammed everybody (like IETF role accounts), and they did so unrepentantly, with forged addresses in the headers and everything.

    Has anything changed?

    I somehow don't think so.

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  7. Change in tactics? by jma05 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amusing, given that they sued companies which made software that ripped real streams back in 2000.

    1. Re:Change in tactics? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, that's why it's news... The sheer irony of it all.

      If Real would have endorsed or adopted such copying capabilities into their player circa 2000, they might have had a chance of staying relevant through the years. Now, when there are hundreds of other programs that can easily do the same thing, it's not even a notable feature, except for the ironic aspect.

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  8. Alternative: by UncleTogie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wait for Gutsy and use clive...

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  9. Crapware? by TechwoIf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does it still load a ton of unless features and hides settings to turn off most of the undesirable ones? Last time I used it, it hog most of the system resources and did nearly everything but played the video.

  10. I haven't read the fine article by LordSnooty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yay, so now I can convert streaming video in one proprietary format into another local storage proprietary format? Joy.

  11. cut-n-paste by PadRacerExtreme · · Score: 3, Informative
    The submitter just cut-n-pasted from the article. Which had links. It looked like this on screen

    sites like YouTube (magnify glass), Revver, Heavy.com but when you cut-n-paste the (magnify glass) turned into

    sites like YouTube Latest News about YouTube, Revver, Heavy.com
    So not only are the editors not reading the submissions, the submitters aren't reading the submissions!
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  12. Couldn't agree more... by xgr3gx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember the early days of real player. Back when you could legally download full southpark episodes from comedycentral.com in real media format at only 50MB each, it was great!
    Not horrible quaility either back around 1999, and even for today's standards. Then came the blinking try icon, ok I found where to disable that.
    Then came registering, then the brutal automatic association of every media file to real player if you didn't carefully check your installer options.
    The the annoyware tactics to upgrade to "Real Player Gold" so annoying.
    Then came me not using realplayer anymore.

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  13. I think RealPlayer 11 rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have been using the RealPlayer Beta over the past month to download videos from Youtube, Yahoo Video & Google Video. Sometimes when the video gets too long, it is a better idea to store them to disk so that you can time-shift the viewing.

    One additional feature that I like is the way rewind and fast-forward works. Very close to a full DVD like experience. Plus the ability to play back almost all relevant formats makes it the best player available today.

    One request would be to allow me to move my videos to the video Ipod or phone. I think that would make this a killer.

  14. Ease of use? by VE3OGG · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now, surely you jest... I find unplug works very well, and is quite reliable, and is very easy. If you have access to a unix box, you can even issue a simple conversion (or write a simple script):

    ffmpeg -i filename.flv filename.mpg (or ogg, or mp3, or...)

    If no Linux box is available, then you could always just watch it straight through VLC. And the nice thing about all of this: it is free (as in beer and as in choice). And of course you get to not support a company that has (rightfully) earned the ire of many IT people the world over...

  15. Re:A Real(tm) Comeback by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 3, Informative

    And their Linux version is pretty good (not fantastic, but pretty good). It's built off the Helix DNA backend (headed by Real themselves) which is open-source. The major difference in the closed-source version (RealPlayer) is the DRM "support"

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  16. Re:It's closed, so it's dead by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 4, Interesting

    https://helix-client.helixcommunity.org/
    I rest my case.

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  17. RealPlayer.... Isn't that a virus? by MarkToronto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I treat RealPlayer like a virus or mal ware. Everytime some jackass installs it on my computer I immediately get rid of it. That and Adobe Reader. Down with bloated software !!!

  18. Am I the only one by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Funny

    who read it as "RealPlayer 11 is a Real Rip Off"?

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  19. Re:Why do you need RealPlayer for that? by egandalf · · Score: 2

    There's also a Firefox extension called DownloadHelper - I use that. Hasn't failed me yet.

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  20. Someone saying something nice about Realplayer? by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this another Dvorak troll masquerading as an article?

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  21. Saving YouTube videos by ThePyro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Am I the only one who just copies the videos directly from the FireFox cache folder? It's pretty easy to find them - they're huge compared to the other cached stuff. Just copy the file, rename to .flv, and you're ready to play it.

  22. So...... by demachina · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...you work for Real don't you rishimathew. It looks like all three of your Slashdot submissions are about Real. Nice free advertising for them, good work /. editors.

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    1. Re:So...... by BigDukeSix · · Score: 2, Informative

      At least you can't say he's hiding.

  23. All is not well... by Herms · · Score: 5, Informative

    Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet.
    Also, few can match the problems caused to completely unrelated software by simply installing it. The mechanism they use for flash video ripping is (as far as I've been able to tell) pretty much undocumented and, as it currently stands, breaks lots of stuff. My company's product breaks in a couple ways, even though our product has nothing to do with Real Player and doesn't serve video. Here are some links with info on the problems: I also created a wiki page on the osflash site to document them and workarounds/fixes if they're found: http://osflash.org/flashcoders/realplayer_bugs I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Real gets sued by someone over RP11. Either for stream ripping or simply for breaking Flash related products.
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  24. just save the stream buffer by joejor · · Score: 2, Informative

    After all, the stream has to be buffered somewhere on your system. It doesn't get deleted until you navigate away. For example, with YouTube, I just save the /tmp/Flash????? file to watch later with xine. Maybe this only works with linux ...

  25. Re:It's closed, so it's dead by rishistar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Helix also supports OGG, which RealPlayer 11 Beta doesn't. The web recording facility doesn't go with Opera either. Although it is slicker and seems less evil than previous stuff, lack of Ogg and Opera support mean I personally won't use it as my main player.

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  26. Re:And the company are still die-hard spammers, no by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So, back in the day, Real spammed. A lot.

    Two words: Maria Cantwell. The woman who thought that YOUR email system was installed so she could use it to sell you Real products.

    She's now a Senator, and still clueless.

  27. Re:And the company are still die-hard spammers, no by seebs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ahh, yes. It was "her" address (actually, a /dev/null box, as they later confirmed) that was put on all the spam, to give the impression that they gave a fuck whether it was bouncing or not. They didn't. I think it's funny that they apparently never complied with the law that she claimed was a good anti-spam law. I mean, it's bad enough that she was involved with legislation that was utterly worthless; so far as I know, their spam never even complied with that worthless legislation. Insult to injury, that.

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  28. mplayer by giorgosts · · Score: 2, Informative

    $ mplayer /movie.rm -dumpstream -dumpfile movie.avi

  29. I was in the pub just last night by Bertie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And there was a girl there who I hadn't met before. She used to work for my company, but now works at RealNetworks, managing what content they make available for purchase or something. Now, like most of you, my first reaction was "boo, hiss" when she told me who she worked for. But she swore to me that their top brass have seen the light and realised that annoying the living shite out of all your users isn't a good long-term business plan. She was raving on about their new player that's about to come out, particularly about its ability to save stuff from Youtube etc., and advised me to give it a chance, because it wasn't the RealPlayer we all know and hate from the past.

    And I probably will give it a chance, purely because she's extremely attractive...

  30. Re:Useless. Why no Windows 98 or Linux download? by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Funny

    You won't get a dime from me on free software

    I should hope not... It would be rather foolish of you.
  31. Re:It's closed, so it's dead by joeljkp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Helix Player 2.0 (don't know if this will correspond to RealPlayer 11) will support ALSA:

    https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/dev/plans.h tml

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