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RealPlayer 11 Is a Real Rip Contender
rishimathew writes to tell us TechNewsWorld is reporting that the new RealPlayer 11, not even out of beta yet, has a lot of great new features including the ability to easily rip streaming videos from sites like YouTube, Revver, and Heavy.com. "With the release of RealPlayer 11, the company is boldly moving into another dicey realm: ripping streaming video. Sure, there are lots of means out there to capture video from sites like YouTube Latest News about YouTube, Revver, Heavy.com and such. There are programs like WM Recorder (US$49.95) and Replay A/V ($49.95), as well as Web sites like Keepvid.com and Mozilla Latest News about Mozilla Foundation Firefox add-ons like VideoDownloader. I've tried some of them. Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet."
MY LIFE IS NOTHING WITHOUT REALPLAYER 11!
What? Limited supplies?
Holy shit, give me the license now or I'll kill you. I'll kill you just like I killed that mother of four for my son's tickle-me-elmo doll. I'll do it. *makes stabbing motions* Ha-HAAAA! *stab, stab, stab* Ha-HAAAA!
I'm a sick man
Oh boy, now instead of mediocre YouTube video quality, we can enjoy second or even third generation copies of bad video of frat boys and drunks.....
Three Squirrels
...it will be the worst hijacking player of all time. I've never used Real Player because of the sole reason that it would never let me disassociate it with file types. Don't play nice, fine...you don't get installed...ever...again. Some reputations just can't be fixed, and Real ruined theirs long long ago.
Buffering........... Cheers, RM
Nobody's as dumb, as I appear to be
Is the summary writer/editor/site possessed? Not only did it not make a ton of sense...
It's unfortunate, but I'm among those users so horribly scarred by Real so long ago that I'll just never use another product by them. I think it's the name - it just makes me nauseous now. It could be the best app on the planet - but unless they change the name I just won't go near it. End of story.
So, back in the day, Real spammed. A lot. They spammed constantly, they spammed everybody (like IETF role accounts), and they did so unrepentantly, with forged addresses in the headers and everything.
Has anything changed?
I somehow don't think so.
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Amusing, given that they sued companies which made software that ripped real streams back in 2000.
Wait for Gutsy and use clive...
Don't tell me to get a life. I'm a gamer; I have LOTS of lives!
Does it still load a ton of unless features and hides settings to turn off most of the undesirable ones? Last time I used it, it hog most of the system resources and did nearly everything but played the video.
Yay, so now I can convert streaming video in one proprietary format into another local storage proprietary format? Joy.
I couldn't agree more. My catchpa is "unhappy" and it perfectly describes my experinces with Real anything.
So not only are the editors not reading the submissions, the submitters aren't reading the submissions!
Just remember - if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.
> as well as Web sites like Keepvid.com and Mozilla Latest News about Mozilla Foundation Firefox add-ons like VideoDownloader.
I'll take a wild guess here and assume that everything from the first Mozilla through to Foundation can be ignored.
As far as using any Real product? Sorry, but their past behavior condemns them to a future of being completely ignored.
Slightly disreputable, albeit gregarious
" Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet."
;)
Don't worry! By the time it's out of beta they'll have added tonnes of extra bulky bloated features and loads of great ads! It'll be as slick as sandpaper!
I remember the early days of real player. Back when you could legally download full southpark episodes from comedycentral.com in real media format at only 50MB each, it was great!
Not horrible quaility either back around 1999, and even for today's standards. Then came the blinking try icon, ok I found where to disable that.
Then came registering, then the brutal automatic association of every media file to real player if you didn't carefully check your installer options.
The the annoyware tactics to upgrade to "Real Player Gold" so annoying.
Then came me not using realplayer anymore.
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You can use VideoDownloader's extension and any other Web sites. However, it doesn't seem toi work with MySpace and YouTube videos anymore due to recent changes/upgrades.
I also use free Orbit Downloader for Windows to download streaming videos. This works fine for me.
Both are free.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I have been using the RealPlayer Beta over the past month to download videos from Youtube, Yahoo Video & Google Video. Sometimes when the video gets too long, it is a better idea to store them to disk so that you can time-shift the viewing.
One additional feature that I like is the way rewind and fast-forward works. Very close to a full DVD like experience. Plus the ability to play back almost all relevant formats makes it the best player available today.
One request would be to allow me to move my videos to the video Ipod or phone. I think that would make this a killer.
On my webpage I'm gonna put 1x1 white pixels that expand into obscenities when you copy-paste them.
I can rip my entire YouTube music library to an iPod. YES!
RIAA Disclaimer: the above statements are facetious and in no way condone or indicate that I will do anything illegal. Honest.
Now, surely you jest... I find unplug works very well, and is quite reliable, and is very easy. If you have access to a unix box, you can even issue a simple conversion (or write a simple script):
ffmpeg -i filename.flv filename.mpg (or ogg, or mp3, or...)
If no Linux box is available, then you could always just watch it straight through VLC. And the nice thing about all of this: it is free (as in beer and as in choice). And of course you get to not support a company that has (rightfully) earned the ire of many IT people the world over...
And their Linux version is pretty good (not fantastic, but pretty good). It's built off the Helix DNA backend (headed by Real themselves) which is open-source. The major difference in the closed-source version (RealPlayer) is the DRM "support"
"I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
Amen. and Amen. I've refused to install it, even told my VP that I wouldn't install it. Like AOL software, I refuse to infect my PC with its filth. Besides, I only use Windows at work anymore, I've converted to linux (ubuntu - best damn distro period for those with the "it should just work mentality") full-time at home.
Those who have telepathy have no need to RTFA.
https://helix-client.helixcommunity.org/
I rest my case.
"I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
I treat RealPlayer like a virus or mal ware. Everytime some jackass installs it on my computer I immediately get rid of it. That and Adobe Reader. Down with bloated software !!!
who read it as "RealPlayer 11 is a Real Rip Off"?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
...when there is 'mplayer'. It does stream dumps for just about any playable stream out there. That's how I'm ripping the "Play again" content on the BBCs radio sites for time shifting onto my Rio Karma digital music player.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
I'm not going near RP11. They lost their credibility with all the crap they pulled in their last versions (spam, annoying "features" that couldn't be disabled or avoided, poor quality software, etc). I look forward to uninstalling it from relatives' computers because it's nearly torched their setup... I'd even go so far as to say I question the credibility of the article... "Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet." Beta is when they're working out the last bugs... Beta doesn't mean they're still designing features. Sounds like company PR masquerading as news.
Do they put commercial in the saved video like at the beginning of the video or every 10 minutes?
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Compiled fmpeg binaries for Win32 were here, last time I checked: http://arrozcru.no-ip.org/ffmpeg_builds/
and see Helix as just a wolf in sheeps clothing.
...
Well, the source is there, is it not? Go through it and find out for yourself. That's what these open source advocates keep telling me, anyways, a thousand eyes
Not sure, but VLC may open the stream. Worth checking out - it's the best platform-independent player available.
Those who have telepathy have no need to RTFA.
All aided by a single piece of software that will tinker with all of my preferences repeatedly without asking and doubtlessly be twice as large as necessary
If they add in nag screens about constantly updating and tether spyware to it at the installation phase, I'm so there.
Is this another Dvorak troll masquerading as an article?
Kwisatz Haderach
Sell the spice to CHOAM
This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
I'll just take my roommate's computer off the LAN (after I download the new real player on his machine with mine temporarily off the LAN); let it run a couple of days then ATTEMPT to uninstall it. On a similar vein... Ever try to uninstall MS Office 97 without the install disc handy?
Gratuitously abuse users, and many won't come back no matter what.
Remember Belkin and their "hey, let's randomly replace requested web pages with Belkin ads"? Still not buying them either.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
Good idea, and I will, right after I finish all my pet projects...
The television will not be revolutionized.
... exactly. I'm glad we are in agreement. Open source does **not** instantly guarantee security.
That being said, to answer your question, I do use Real products, and have not had issues with Real or Helix. The modern incarnation of RealPlayer is really non-intrusive, and does not want to associate itself with every media format known to man, and does not pop up ads on your computer.
Am I the only one who just copies the videos directly from the FireFox cache folder? It's pretty easy to find them - they're huge compared to the other cached stuff. Just copy the file, rename to .flv, and you're ready to play it.
Is RP 11 when Real finally starts supporting streaming H.264 ? The article doesn't say, but inquiring minds want to know...
How did this get through Firehose? For starters, the description makes no sense, I read it 3 times and i still don't fully get it. Now let's add Real, a company who squandered it's good position in the marketplace, to become an irrelevant player in the streaming media world. I once used Real on my website, but now it's a laughable notion to use it. MP3 + flash has killed it completely.
I can only hope that [buffering...]
@de_machina
- Adobe employee (engineer?) bringing up some of the issues: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/07
/ real_problem.cfm
- Real's response to the above post: http://rws-blog.rhapsody.com/realplayer/2007/07/r
e alplayer-beta.html
- Flash/FMS communication details: http://blog.jaycharles.net/?p=9
- Other details. From comments here it suggests that RP11 is installing some kind of proxy for the Flash communication: http://www.flashcomguru.com/index.cfm/2007/8/1/re
a l-bug
I also created a wiki page on the osflash site to document them and workarounds/fixes if they're found: http://osflash.org/flashcoders/realplayer_bugs I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Real gets sued by someone over RP11. Either for stream ripping or simply for breaking Flash related products.~Herms
It is entirely possible that they've changed their tune, and I'll even admit that it's possible that Rob Glaser isn't entirely evil. But until they issue a public apology for their past practices, and pledge not to repeat them, they fall into my ever growing list of companies I will not do business with including Sony, SBC (Now AT&T), MBNA (Now Bank of America), I could go on...
The television will not be revolutionized.
After all, the stream has to be buffered somewhere on your system. It doesn't get deleted until you navigate away. For example, with YouTube, I just save the /tmp/Flash????? file to watch later with xine. Maybe this only works with linux ...
You can't take the sky from me...
Helix also supports OGG, which RealPlayer 11 Beta doesn't. The web recording facility doesn't go with Opera either. Although it is slicker and seems less evil than previous stuff, lack of Ogg and Opera support mean I personally won't use it as my main player.
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Two words: Maria Cantwell. The woman who thought that YOUR email system was installed so she could use it to sell you Real products.
She's now a Senator, and still clueless.
Raymond never said that simply releasing source code resulted in quality. In fact, if you were to actually read his book (advisable, if you want to discuss Open Source) you'd see that, in fact, at no point does he ever even imply that simply releasing source code will result in quality code (in fact, he rather succinctly addresses the point you raise in his "epilog").
Instead, the entire book in devoted to covering the merits of the "bazaar" method of development. And seeing as Raymond is probably the strongest figure involved in the term and its related ideology, I think that's pretty much definitive.
A shame that it's useless because it can't use ALSA.
Their Linux version is shit, it can't even use ALSA!
This means that it will fail to work if any other app has your sound device open when it wants to play sounds; and that, while it has the sound device open, all other apps will similarly fail...
Ahh, yes. It was "her" address (actually, a /dev/null box, as they later confirmed) that was put on all the spam, to give the impression that they gave a fuck whether it was bouncing or not. They didn't. I think it's funny that they apparently never complied with the law that she claimed was a good anti-spam law. I mean, it's bad enough that she was involved with legislation that was utterly worthless; so far as I know, their spam never even complied with that worthless legislation. Insult to injury, that.
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$ mplayer /movie.rm -dumpstream -dumpfile movie.avi
In 8th grade, we had to sneak into theaters.
I hate real almost as much as I hate QuickTime.
Wait, what? What's the problem with QT?
One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
It's a real rip alright. Just like everything else from Real.
www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
And there was a girl there who I hadn't met before. She used to work for my company, but now works at RealNetworks, managing what content they make available for purchase or something. Now, like most of you, my first reaction was "boo, hiss" when she told me who she worked for. But she swore to me that their top brass have seen the light and realised that annoying the living shite out of all your users isn't a good long-term business plan. She was raving on about their new player that's about to come out, particularly about its ability to save stuff from Youtube etc., and advised me to give it a chance, because it wasn't the RealPlayer we all know and hate from the past.
And I probably will give it a chance, purely because she's extremely attractive...
Oh I don't know, the fact it has a dickhead tray icon just sitting there taking up space?
/rant off.
Or the fact that to use iTunes you have to install it?
And hey while were installing Quicktime player why not install Quicktime picture viewer. Why in hell would I need a picture viewer? Windows XP already has a perfectly good one.
Plus the tens of thousands of "PRO" menu options that you can't get rid of unless you are going to pay for them.
I'll give you a hint if there is a "Alternative" codec out for a player it means the player sucks.
Yeah, I really like the Linux player, hopefully they port this one properly. Its clean and does the job.. thats all people really want.
Oddly enough MPlayer for Windows does a good job too (I like MPUI front end actually the most)
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Ok, yeah.. I'm sold, putting YouTube on my phone.. thats a sweet deal, ahaha who needs a $500 iPhone and worse a $200 at&t phone bill. lol
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It seems a lot of computer companies think they can take over the world with underhand tactics, installing crap on our computers that we don't want and doing everything they can to stop us uninstalling that crap. And when they lose a load of users for that very reason, they want a second chance?
:) )
Tough. Same goes for gator (remember them?), Sony (that rootkit...) and good ol' Microsoft. F*** them all. Boycott them all.
(unfortunately I'm not yet in a position to boycott Microsoft but I will as soon as the stuff I need is available on Linux or similar
I should hope not... It would be rather foolish of you.
"The real tiger is never a match for the paper one, unless real use is wanted." -- FP Brooks, The Mythical Man Month
Helix Player 2.0 (don't know if this will correspond to RealPlayer 11) will support ALSA:
h tml
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/dev/plans.
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Right when I saw this article, I searched youtube-dl to see if anyone had already posted this. And I agree, who cares. I would much rather use free (as in speech) to rip FLVs, if I actually wanted to. That is not a new feature, yet it probably is marketed as that to the Winblows-world. GAH
There are parts of Nero that are still useful though... Nerovision is a quick and dirty way to make a decent DVD out of a random video file.
And the core of Nero, the burning tool, is still the best commercial product around.
And of course, the thing rarely crashes, unlike Roxio, who manages in release after release to make a product that crashes when you try pretty much anything. I don't know why people buy it the the 2nd time.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
Why bother with Real any more when there's Real Alternative? The only thing that doesn't work is streaming audio\video, but there's usually a choice of formats and it's so rare these days that it doesn't bother me a bit.
ummmm.... Even if it cures cancer, I'll stick with WMRecorder (and Replay Media Catcher) than EVER use RealPlayer again. LOL
I think you're under estimating how bad Real Player's reputation is. Besides... I think you have it backwards. You don't need a compelling reason to avoid real player, but you should have one before installing it.
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Lets see, the article was posted by someone who seems to be with REAL.com. A number of "try it it folks, not as bad as before" seems to smell like astro turfers. I sense this entire post is pretty much a testament that REAL hasn't changed. They're still the same old shyster trying to sell you something someone else is giving for free. All the positive posts seem to have exactly the same tone with similar style. It makes me very very suspicious.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
I know another poster has mentioned Mozilla download helper. This is an add-on that saves most online streaming content by right clicking on a drop down list. You can the reencode (uggh) for your DVD (divx) player using Super. Just drag and drop your flv files to the Super windown and select Avi/Divx as the output type with a bit/frame rate equivalent to Home Theater Profile of DivX. You can also reencode to most mobile devices with Super.
But I ran across a problem with RP10 that annoyed me to the point of not installing it. I run as pretty-much admin on my home Windows box. However, sick of the proliferation of crap that adds itself to the Start Menu -> Startup, or HKLM....Run keys (jusched.exe and adobe, I'm talking to you here), I dropped permissions on that directory and those keys to read-only for my account, reasoning I could use privilege escalation if I needed to work with them. I later wanted to listen to something from the BBC which required Realplayer, and so picked up the installer. Bear in mind that this is an admin account _EXCEPT_ for access to HKLM...Run and Startup. The realplayer installer just fell over indicating that it needed administrative privileges to run - in essence, failing unless it could install its crapware (tkbell.exe, IIRC) into my system's startup. To software manufacturers: I don't mind waiting a couple of extra seconds on my rig for an application to start up. In fact, if each of you stopped adding junk that expects to be run every time I start my damn machine, it probably wouldn't take so long anyway. Every TSR you try and inflict upon me is a black mark against you. And refusing to install without having permission to insert junk into my system's startup will result in your software being blacklisted. For software that attempts to auto-update, a TSR is not necessary. IMO Firefox / Thunderbird have it right. Periodically check for updates when the application is in use, and notify (don't force) that an app restart is necessary to finish the install. And as for the bloated excesses of driver/TSR combos for scanners and printers I've seen on other people's machines, these guarantee that I will neither buy nor recommend anything from that manufacturer ever. F_T
is it your sig that has caused your post to be modded as flamebait? I see nothing wrong with your post. At least it will all get sorted out in metamoderation.
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You get the original flv video, no ads, no adware, nothing to install, just the video. But, of course, if you just cannot live without a "Save as" option in a menu...
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Ah, but if it's in alpha test it "isn't even out of beta yet"... ;)
The versions of Real Player I tolerated enough to try a video on did not allow me to jump to later points in the video file. You would move the slider, machine would grind, and grind, quitting time would arrive and I would give up and go home...after first halting real.exe.
By the way, I don't really care if they finally fixed this show-stopper. I want RP as much as I want one world government.
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/bin/bash
I once created a cygwin script to do it automatically.
#!
#Copies all videos in the cache folder larger than 500kb to $savedir
cachedir= # path to FireFox cache dir
savedir= # path to save dir
cd "$cachedir"
# -name "[0-9A-Z]*" to skip _CACHE_xxx_ files
for i in $(find . -size +500k -name "[0-9A-Z]*" | xargs file | grep -i video | cut -d: -f1 )
do
mv -v "$i" "$savedir/$i.flv"
done
I like ESR, I agree with a lot of what he has to say, but you will find a lot of people here don't. I've read part of CATB, just haven't had time to finish it. But yes, sadly, you will find a *lot* of OS/FS people who claim that OS/FS is **inherantly** more secure, by definition.
"Few, though, can match the slick ease of use of RealPlayer 11 -- and it isn't even out of beta yet." Somebody tell me how ripping streams is better than just downloading the flv? Furthermore, real ain't going anywhere near my machine.
... Foxit Reader is pretty good. (and fast!)
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
Why I don't use Real Player is the same reason most people here don't.
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But I also manage around 500 computers. I block real player and install MPlayerC with the add ons if someone must play real content.
Why? This is why;
http://secunia.com/search/?search=real+player&w=0
Security patches out the wazzo - in which they are very slow to patch. Unlike Quicktime, Media Player M$, and others - Real almost always forces you to go to each machine any manually run through the update process. But you must register an e-mail address with each machine before you can do this. They only accept real@aol.com so many times.
With the other media players I can use GPOs, Zen, SMS, and automate the patching.
If you are lucky, they will provide a full installer with the update eventually. But you must navigate using an unsupported browser to find it.
Real players gets removed any time I see it, and the new file name blocked as soon as I find it. Real's in our untrusted zone in IE too.
I hated Real too, but I changed my opinion like smart people do when a situation changes. Retards don't, they keep arguing the same irreverent points. (like Republicans supporting the war for WMD's)
I think about the time the Helix Code project started I started to like them.
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