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Ubuntu May Be Killing Your Laptop's Hard Drive

wwrmn writes "There's a debate going on over at bugs.launchpad.net on whether it's the Ubuntu, BIOS, hard-drive manufacturer, or pick-any-player's fault, but Ubuntu (and perhaps any OS) may be dramatically shortening the life of your laptop's hard drive due to an aggressive power-saving feature / acpi bug / OS configuration. Regardless of where the fault lies or how it's fixed, you might want to take some actions now to try to prevent the damage."

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  1. no problem, really! by loafula · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll just buy another 4 hard drives with the money I saved not buying Vista!

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  2. Ubuntu? by keithjr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If perhaps it could be "any OS" then why headline this as "Ubuntu" killing laptops? I can't find much in TFA that makes a compelling case that it isn't APCI. I'd read more but that page hurts my eyes.

  3. Isn't this what is supposed to happen? by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I mean, the OSS community at large finds a problem, and sets about to fix it... from the link:

    Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen wrote on 2007-10-25: (permalink)

    May i just warn ya all to NOT play the blame-game?

    It does sound like it's the fault of the BIOS (and somebody should contact them).

    To rescue a hard-drive in distress sounds like something that should have a high-priority (critical?).
    Not because it's ubuntu's fault or the bios fault. But because Ubuntu can solve this issue _now_. Doesn't sound like it is NOT being dealt with, it just isn't listed everywhere as critical and in the news all over the intarweb tubes.
  4. Old news??? by BUL2294 · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the now very overloaded page...

    Bug #59695, first reported on 2006-09-09.
    Apparently there has been no rush to fix it. Now that /. has picked it up and the site is being bombarded, how long till it gets fixed???
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  5. Re:Thanks for slashdotting launchpad, guys. by FudRucker · · Score: 5, Funny

    here is a good workaround: http://www.debian.org/

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  6. Selected Excerpts by asphaltjesus · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Google's cache:

    When switching to battery power, /etc/acpi/power.sh issues the command hdparm -B 1 to all block devices. This leads to extremely frequent load cycles. For example, my new thinkpad has already done well over 7000 load cycles -- in only 100 hours. That's at least one unloading per minute. Googling for "load unload cycles notebook OR laptop" shows that most laptop drives handle up to 600,000 such cycles. As these values clearly show, this issue is of high importance and should be fixed sooner rather than later.

    The command hdparm -b 255 turn off completely APM.

    Here is how I permanently fixed it:

    1) make a file named "99-hdd-spin-fix.sh". The important thing is starting with "99".
    2) make sure the file contains the following 2 lines (fix it if you have PATA HDD):
    #!/bin/sh
    hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda
    3) copy this file to 3 locations: /etc/acpi/suspend.d/ /etc/acpi/resume.d/ /etc/acpi/start.d/

    Voila! After that the HDD never spins down on power (looks like it actually spins down on battery at modest rate).
    Sorry if the instruction is too detailed, no offense.

    An alternative to the "99-hdd-spin-fix.sh" fix is to install and enable the package laptop-mode-tools,
    then customize /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf, setting

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  7. Not Entirely Accurate by marcantonio · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's important to note that this only occurs if ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE is enabled. By default it is NOT set. From /etc/default/acpi-support:

    # Switch to laptop-mode on battery power - off by default as it causes odd
    # hangs on some machines
    ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE=false

  8. Re:The Ubuntu by TypoNAM · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_hdparm -B is:
    Set Advanced Power Management feature, if the drive supports it. A low value means aggressive power management and a high value means better performance. A value of 255 will disable apm on the drive.

    I would say blame the hard drive vendor.

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  9. Re:Thanks for slashdotting launchpad, guys. by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Informative

    Workaround #1. Edit /etc/hdparm.conf, add the following to the end (or modify the existing /dev/sda area, etc. This assumes your primary disk is your only disk and you're using SATA):

    /dev/sda {
    apm = 255
    spindown_time = 0
    }

    Then enter "sudo update-rc.d hdparm defaults" to ensure the changes take effect.

    Workaround #2, edit /etc/apm/event.d/20hdparm, find the line "APMD_SPINDOWN=18" and add a zero to it (APMD_SPINDOWN=180). Again enter "sudo update-rc.d hdparm defaults".

    The first of the options disables the whole spinning down thing. The second changes it so it spins down less (every 15 minutes rather than every minute and a half.)

    At least, that's what the Launchpad contributors claim.

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  10. Read some of the Ubuntu forums by bluefrogcs · · Score: 5, Informative
  11. Re:The Ubuntu by timster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, if you R(TRO)TFA, you'll find that Ubuntu is not issuing that command at all. Rather, this is a default set by the drive manufacturer.

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  12. Re:The Ubuntu by kebes · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, putting a launchpad link on the frontpage of Slashdot is bad form. Launchpad is for discussing and resolving bugs, and we're not helping by swamping that page. It might be better if people read the wiki that has been set up to summarize the issue.

    In answer to your question about how this isn't Ubuntu's fault, apparently the problem is that the manufacturer sets certain default values for "aggressive power management" and enables this aggressive power management by default. Ubuntu's policy is to not change the manufacturer defaults, and simply uses them. Unfortunately these defaults are "too aggressive" and cause the hard drive to park/unpark too frequently.

    But Ubuntu is not blameless. First of all, if Ubuntu can push out a patch that resets the manufacturer defaults to sane values (and this will save some people from hard drive failures), then it definitely should. Also, there is some discussion that perhaps an Ubuntu daemon is probing the hard disk too frequently, so that the hard-drive can't sit in the parked state for long enough to actually make it a useful feature.

    Regardless of who is to blame, it would appear that the Ubuntu devs should push out a patch that forces systems to ignore the manufacturer values, and use settings that will protect the drive lifetime.

  13. Re:The Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have an Dell Inspiron 6400 running Gentoo. I had this problem too. I fixed it by adding

            # -B 255 doesn't work for me
            sda_args="-B 254 -S 60"

    to /etc/conf.d/hdparm. This would fix the issue on boot, but after resuming, this would be moot. For that, I added

            # redo hdparm settings on resume /etc/init.d/hdparm restart

    after running /etc/acpi/suspend.sh in /etc/acpi/default.sh, though I suppose I could have put that line somwhere in suspend.sh.

    The key thing here is to run hdparm on boot *and* on resume

  14. Re:The Ubuntu by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually disagree. Sure, if the manufacturer issues a recommendation or something to change it, then by all means. Otherwise Ubuntu should just keep their hands off and let the HDD manufacturer deal with it. Does Windows automagically disable this behavior?

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  15. From the horses mouth by orangesunglasses · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77672.html
    Matthew garret, who runs the laptop testing team. Read this, instead of just spreading FUD.

  16. Re:The Ubuntu by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's only been about 10 minutes, but so far my Load_Cycle is sticking at 1 where it started. You have to pull the knob out to get it to start the other cycles. It won't start the Spin_Cycle until you close the lid, though.
  17. Re:Effects on Dell/Ubuntu OEM? by internetcommie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Considering the HD failure rate on Dell laptops, I doubt anybody will notice a difference.

  18. Re:The Ubuntu by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly. See this article on thinkwiki about the problem. This is obviously HDD or HDD-controller specific, and is therefore a hardware vendor problem, not an Ubuntu problem. The article is FUD.

  19. Re:The Ubuntu by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the answer is they should both fix the problem. Drive manufacturers should issue a sane value and operating systems should check that the value is sane before using it. Same rule as accepting any data from an outside source, you tell them what they are supposed to do, but then you double check it to make sure they did. Pointing fingers at each other while customers hardware fries doesn't help anyone.

  20. Don't use -B 255, use -B 254 instead by fifirebel · · Score: 5, Informative
    Since this story hit the front-page I've been monitoring hard drives on three laptops that I can remotely access from work (hi boss).
    • Disk 1:
      • Seagate ST96023A (Seagate Momentus 7200.1 series)
      • Power_On_Hours 1438
      • Load_Cycle_Count 187925
      • 130 load/unload per hour (roughly 2 per minute)
    • Disk 2:
      • Hitachi HTS721010G9SA00
      • Power_On_Hours 818
      • Load_Cycle_Count 90539
      • 110 load/unload per hour (roughly 2 per minute)
    • Disk 3:
      • TOSHIBA MK6006GAH
      • Power_On_Hours 2896
      • Load_Cycle_Count 199757
      • 68 load/unload per hour (roughly 1 per minute)
    Then I've been monitoring the hard drive with this one-liner.

    lcc() { smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep 'Load_Cycle_Count' | awk '{print $10}'; }; n=$(lcc); while :; do nn=$(lcc); echo "$(date) $((nn-n))"; n=$nn; sleep 60; done
    Before you ask, it is only one line, as you only press enter once :-). And that's a short one-liner for me.

    This shows on all three laptops that the load counts increases by 1 to 4 every minute.

    Now I issued:

    hdparm -B 255 /dev/hda
    This has stopped load cycles on two drives.
    The third one (the TOSHIBA MK6006GAH) still continues loading and unloading like hdparm did not help at all.

    However, setting the power-management level to "lowest power savings mode" with:

    hdparm -B 254 /dev/hda
    did prevent any more load/unload cycles from happening.

    So in summary:

    1. Use hdparm -B 254 at boot.
    2. Re-issue it after every suspend/wake-up cycle as this setting seems to be lost on suspends.