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UPS Using Software To Eliminate Left Turns

cybermage writes "The NY Times has a story about UPS using software to dramatically reduce the number of left turns their drivers take. With a fleet of vehicles their size, the time and money saved by pre-planning routes that try to eliminate left turns means big savings." Some CS major probably figured this out instead of traveling salesman.

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  1. I have a solution. by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Three rights make a left. Ok, were's my check?

    1. Re:I have a solution. by calebt3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And two Wrights make an airplane.

    2. Re:I have a solution. by LordSkippy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget the Nixonian Theorem:

      If two wrongs don't make a right, try a third.

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    3. Re:I have a solution. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Funny

      Two Wongs make Peking Duck

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    4. Re:I have a solution. by SiO2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You've obviously driven in New Jersey.

      SiO2

    5. Re:I have a solution. by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That only works if your city is a grid. The town that I grew up in was not laid out in a grid, and hence, if you took 3 rights, you may not end up doing a left turn. There was even one street that intersected with itself. If you go on that street and keep on turning right, you'll be stuck in an infinite loop.

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    6. Re:I have a solution. by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Funny

      We shouldn't need a private-sector solution. The government should be designing cites with far fewer left turns. Thank god for the Republicans. Their tireless efforts to turn our country to the right will not be forgotten.

    7. Re:I have a solution. by JerryQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      J Edgar Hoover (JEHoover's witness?) famously used to insist on not taking a left turn on journeys (apparently, when the G Men couldnt avoid it, they distracted him whilst the turns were made) J

    8. Re:I have a solution. by BobGregg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually the original punch line is, "Two Wongs don't make a white", which for some reason my Chinese wife finds endlessly amusing...

    9. Re:I have a solution. by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      New Jersey: All the corruption of New York government, without the ingenuity.

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    10. Re:I have a solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you know he bought it up and not her? Or some other situation? Also, why should it be only she, as an asian person, that gets offended? Maybe the guy lives in China for all we know and is the minority there? Maybe he should get uptight and offended.

      Whatever the case, stop this PC bullshit. It's funny. My best friend is Polish and he always comes up with the best Pollack jokes.

    11. Re:I have a solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can take a look at the Wikipedia information on the origin of the quotation:
      "Calwell's remark in Parliament in 1947 that 'Two Wongs don't make a White' is widely quoted. The remark was intended as a joke, being a reference to a Chinese resident called Wong who was wrongly threatened with deportation, and a Liberal MP, Sir Thomas White. Today the remark is seen as evidence that Calwell was a racist."
      [see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Calwell ]

    12. Re:I have a solution. by BobGregg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bzzzt.... in fact, she's the one who told me the joke (and has repeated it to her friends often). Thanks for playing, though.

    13. Re:I have a solution. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We shouldn't need a private-sector solution. The government should be designing cites with far fewer left turns.

      I know you're joking, but Brasilia was originally designed like that. The idea wasn't to eliminate the left wing (heh, heh...the city was also designed in a shape that resembles an airplane or bird from an aerial view, depending on who you ask), but to make traffic lights unnecessary. Didn't quite scale as the city grew, and there are traffic lights now, but the idea was awesome...

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  2. My rant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Minneapolis, we have lights on the onramps to the highways to control the flow of people getting on certain roads at certain times.

    Aside from my thought of 'this just doesn't work, I have also wondered about how much time and gas is wasted for people to sit and wait for their time for the 'green light'.

    One car per green. The wait can be from about 2 seconds between greens and 20 seconds (or more). I have seen cars waiting for several minutes, when the highways are very open. I can't figure it out.

    1. Re:My rant. by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's so you don't have 80 cars coming from the same ramp trying to merge onto the freeway at the same time. When you have that many cars merging at once, they are invariably going at a very slow speed because some jackass who is afraid of the freeway is slowing everyone down, and you end up with a mad scramble as people in the right lane try to get out of the way, and people in the next lane have to move out of their way, and so on. The result is a situation where you are either going to get a collision or the whole works are going to slow down dramatically.

      In Denver, they have these lights too, but they only operate during heavy traffic times. I've found them a lot easier to deal with than mass merging, and the wait between greens is never more than a couple of seconds. I can't understand why the wait between greens would be set any longer than that, since the purpose of these should only be to spread out the traffic trying to merge onto the freeway.

    2. Re:My rant. by slim-t · · Score: 2, Informative
      My senior EE project was in conjuction with the MNDot Traffic Management Center. They take a lot of factors into account when setting the metering time. If the freeway is clear, the metering should be shut off. If you don't think they are working right, call the Traffic Management Center and tell them.


      This page tells a little about them.

  3. I live in the UK by Morosoph · · Score: 5, Funny

    You insensitive clod!

    1. Re:I live in the UK by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Funny

      100% agree. If these silly Americans would only learn to drive on the correct side of the road, then they wouldn't have this problem.

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    2. Re:I live in the UK by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Based on a lifetime's driving in the Boston Mass area I can assure you that few Americans know how to drive safely in this country either. I think the rule is, just close your eyes, pick up your cell phone and hit the gas.

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    3. Re:I live in the UK by qwerty+asdf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Boston is a special case. While closing your eyes and hitting the gas will usually work in Boston about as well as driving with your eyes open will, it is generally not recommended in other US cities.

    4. Re:I live in the UK by enharmonix · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course. There are 60,000,000 people in the UK. ...which, if I'm not mistaken, is roughly the number of times the "insensitive clod" joke has been made on slashdot...
  4. And this is all because by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Funny

    NASCAR turned them down on a discount ad deal....

  5. Circle.... by ZiakII · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they enter a circle/roundabout do they get stuck in an infinite loop?

    1. Re:Circle.... by sqldr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, originally, more people drove on the left than the right. Many countries switched later on, and saw an increase in accident rates due to the majority of drivers having a dominant right eye:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_on_the_left_or_right#Myths_and_miscellaneous_facts

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  6. Hemispatial neglect by tosh1979 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who's idea was this? Derek Zoolander's?

    1. Re:Hemispatial neglect by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't feel bad, I'm sure there are lots of people out there, who, just like you, can't turn...

      Well, hey, at least UPS trucks can't turn left!

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  7. Michigan is far ahead of the curve by east+coast · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  8. Heard this before by ggeens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last year, one of my coworkers told me the same story.

    He also said he knew a place that was virtually unreachable unless you took a left turn. It was not uncommon to see a UPS truck circle around the place a few times before they arrived.

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  9. Re:Not a bad idea by toQDuj · · Score: 2, Funny

    It really _is_ an idea, so true, so true.

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  10. Re:My rant - concept != implementation by scsirob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a difference between concept and implementation. Traffic shaping on highway onramps can help reduce congestion on the highways itself. This must be inplemented with some sort of feedback loop between traffic flow on the highway and the number of cars allowed onto it.

    If you are waiting a long time when no traffic is on the highway then the implementation is flawed.

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  11. Re:editors? by Reverend528 · · Score: 2, Informative
  12. In Related News.. by Spritzer · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it seems FedEx has decided to cut costs simply by not delivering packages.

    Said FedEx spokesman Dewey Shippit, "We've found that there is a significant savings in randomly tossing packages into a large warehouse and not delivering them. The cost of delivering those packages far exceeds the cost of repeatedly 'issuing a trace' to locate the missing item."

    1. Re:In Related News.. by Sesticulus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny enough, this is close to the truth. In my last house if there was a Fedex package scheduled for Friday delivery, come about 3pm, guaranteed it would show up in the system as Address Unknown, even if the guy had been there the day before. Come Monday, they would try again and have no problems. We were pretty close to the end of the route and I think it was just a matter of being time to head out for early beers.

      On the other hand, I've had the UPS guy drop off a package after 9pm during the Christmas season. Those guys were working until they were done. That's the reason I avoid shipping Fedex.

  13. Re:England by should_be_linear · · Score: 2, Funny

    Each self-respecting programmer will tell you that in UK it is enough to reverse algorithm and travel backwards.

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  14. Stop lights are better by Thelasko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I generally plan my routes to avoid left turns. I have since I first learned to drive. However, if I must make a left turn, I find making it at a stop light with a turn lane is much faster, safer and easier than making a left turn without a light on a busy street. Stop lights also save more time and energy than stop signs. Maybe UPS should consider that next.

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  15. No turns on red in the UK by mccalli · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case people don't know why the parent made that post - you can't make any sort of turn on red in the UK. Red means stop, and stop is what it means. No wiggle room.

    I remember driving in San Francisco, my first time driving in the US. I only got caught the once being beeped because I'd just stopped at red and didn't turn right although it was clear, but my other local transgression was a lot worse. We came up to some flashing red lights - I had no idea what they were for. There was one car in front of us before the lights, it stopped for a while and then went. I thought "ah ha - flashing red means stop and go if clear".

    It doesn't. It means "tram coming". I found this out at the end of the week we stayed there, suddenly realising I'd spent the entire week running red lights against trams...

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:No turns on red in the UK by ChronoReverse · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably depends on the locale. The flashing red light means exactly what you deduced where I live.

    2. Re:No turns on red in the UK by jimicus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, and we drive on the left in the UK. Which means that the turn which requires you to wait for a gap in traffic in two directions rather than just one is the right turn, not the left turn.

    3. Re:No turns on red in the UK by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Single flashing red light is the same as a stop sign. Single flashing yellow is caution. This most commonly involves malfunctioning stop lights, though I've also seen them around schools and some other special areas where they want to be a little more obvious. Flashing yellow light with 'school zone' sign and a speed limit means that the lower speed limit is in effect while the light is flashing.

      Two horizontal red lights flashing alternately and various train crossing signs = stop, train is coming or passing.

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    4. Re:No turns on red in the UK by DaggertipX · · Score: 2, Informative

      There have been a few roundabouts built recently in various areas around where I live in Utah... no one seems to know what to do when they get to them. It's a new enough concept around here that I suppose it will take a few years for people to adjust.

    5. Re:No turns on red in the UK by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just being in the turn-right lane should be enough for what? I'm not exactly sure I followed what your problem with them was. Do lights where you live stop three directions at once, allowing just one of the four directions to go as they please? That's extremely rare in the UK, if you're expecting that I could see why you may not get the point. Generally in the UK it's green for one road, in both directions, at a time. If you want to turn right and there's no filter light (that's what the arrows are called), you have to wait for a green and a gap. Even when it's very busy, two or three cars can get through in the gap created by the interval between one set of lights turning red and the other set turning green. Having to wait for a gap can create a backup of traffic waiting to turn right, hence the presence of filter lights at junctions where quite a lot of people want to turn right. The green arrow means you have priority (it has stopped the oncoming traffic), no green arrow but a green on the main lights means you can go but do not have priority over oncoming traffic. Using filters means cars traveling in opposite directions can both have priority (and know they have priority) to turn right simultaneously, which I don't think you could manage without them, you'd have to do it one direction at a time.

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  16. Both UPS and Fedex's software can do this by celnick · · Score: 5, Informative
    The routing software used by UPS, Fedex and USPS all can be used to minimize different turning directions. I used to work at Fedex home delivery and this would be a prime parameter for drivers with larger trucks. The software also can plot you to specific points during the day, like avoiding downtown during rush hour. Although it can minimize left turns, it sometimes makes you drive in circles to do so, makes you go far out of the way, down little streets (since like GPS it doesn't really know any better).

    The article is actually about how UPS is going to lessen global warming or some such silly thing like that. They aren't, the increased distance the route can plot makes you drive as long (it doesn't truly matter if your diesel truck is idling at a light or driving in a circle). It is, however, easier for a driver to make less left turns and probably has some sort of psychological effect on other drivers to not see them in the left lane.



    "Last year, according to Heather Robinson, a U.P.S. spokeswoman, the software helped the company shave 28.5 million miles off its delivery routes, which has resulted in savings of roughly three million gallons of gas and has reduced CO2 emissions by 31,000 metric tons."

    The software is excellent, it makes great routes, can cut down on any number of hassles, but seriously the main point is NOT to eliminate left turns. The software is meant to get more packages out, more quickly, to more people, with less drivers, and more profit.

    Silly NY Times writers.

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    1. Re:Both UPS and Fedex's software can do this by Bazman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember using Arc/Info Version 4 in about 1990 and its routing software let you specify a 'turn impedance' at every node (junction), so that going from arc id 2 to arc id 4 would add a weight of 2.5, and going from arc id 2 to arc id 6 would add a weight of 5.6, or whatever. Each arc also has a weight for the length of time it takes to go along it, and then you just did your usual solve for minimum weight. We did this for ambulance travel times.

      Nice to see Fedex have dragged themselves into the 90s.

  17. Can you hear me now? by RingDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After the .Com bubble burst left the IT market in shambles, us contractors were scrambling for work. One of the odd jobs I wound up with in that time frame was doing exactly what the "Can you hear me now? Good!" guy did. Only I had a car, multiple phones, and a lap top with some really cool software.

    I drove virtually every road from NW Chicago, to Door County Wisconsin, over to LaCrosse, and down to Iowa. And it only took a handful of days to start looking for route optimizations. We didn't have software to do it for us, we had state maps, plotter maps, and the laptop maps with GPS. Eliminating Left turns in busy areas, specifically those with out turn signals was always a high priority.

    I can imagine the problem would be even more significant for UPS drives because of the number of left turns they will have to make in uncontrolled intersections. Turning left on a 4-lane avenue with no traffic lights into driveways, frontage roads, parking lots, what ever, can be a PITA in a car, let alone a straight-truck. The amount of gas they can save from idling, and gunning it hard to clear traffic probably adds up to a significant amount over the length of the day.

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  18. Nice idea, but... by MightyPez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I drove for UPS and will say I hope it works out. Any way to shave precious seconds off a delivery are welcomed.

    However, having used the DIAD IV system, I can't see it working out too well. If you're not familiar with it, DIAD is the little brown LCD screen you sign whenyou get a package and has all the stops a driver makes in his day organized in an order that is suppose to be the easiest and quickest. The problem is very rarely is it done right. So you'll be driving on 4th, and the next stop will be on the same end of 3rd. The problem is 3rd is a one way and if you turn on it you'll be hitting oncoming traffic. So you either need to swing around the block (wasteful use of time) or deliver it later via a different route.

    Fortunately nobody with half a brain relies on DIAD for their route info. A driver with enough experience will know their route and what stops to make when.

    With that being said, it was easily the worst job I ever had. I ran all day and barely ate. In a 2-3 week period I lost 15 pounds.

    1. Re:Nice idea, but... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I would assume these systems get more accurate over time as more people use routing data.

      Also, besides simply waiting for the technology to mature, delivery companies in particular are in the perfect position to gather valuable routing data (instead of just taking whatever Navteq gives them). Using the GPS on their vehicles, they should be tracking how long it takes to traverse each stretch of road and each intersection or turn, all depending on the day of week, time of day, etc. A simple rule such as "prefer right turns at all intersections" is an OK start, but it could get so much more detailed.

  19. pre-planning? Is that what they do by 1shooter · · Score: 2, Funny
    before they plan?

    With a fleet of vehicles their size, the time and money saved by planning routes that try to eliminate left turns means big savings. There, fixed it for you.

    Somebody needs to use a spell checker. Something is either planned or unplanned. There is no "pre".
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  20. Do you live in the deep south or west of the US? by blueZ3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the northeastern states, roundabouts are quite common. In fact, in New Hampshire, I know of at least two places where two state routes (these two-lane roads would be considered "major" highways only in N.H.) have roundabouts as the "interchange"

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  21. In other news ... by belthize · · Score: 3, Funny


          Congress was working up a bill that would retrofit all the roads in the
    US so we're either straight or turned right. The bill was dropped when
    they discovered the principle designer, MC Escher had pased away and nobody
    else was capable of drawing them.

    Belthize

  22. Re:Oregon has them too by lb746 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They work great here in Columbus, Ohio. They only go on during heavy traffic times, and keep the flow of traffic on the highway going at a relatively quick speed. In Cleveland, where they do not have them. During a green light merge frenzy, the speed of the highway easily drops below the speed of local streets.

  23. Not all left turns are created equal by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a wierdo, but of course if I wasn't I wouldn't be on slashdot. Nerds aren't exactly "normal" now are we? At any rate, at three bucks per gallon I've been driving in such a manner to minimize my gas useage. It annoys my passengers, while I'm annoyed at the dimwits who race to the next red light, only to be sitting there making me stop at a green light.

    I found I wasn't unique, there is actually a name for people like me - "hypermilers". The EPA estimate on my large car (I'm not even a radical hypermiler) is 35 mpg on th ehighway, I can get 36 if I do 50MPH (which REALLY pisses people off, even though I stay in the right lane).

    Any way, left turns onto a highway do, indeed, use gas, particularly if there's heavy traffic. But at an intersection, particularly with a left turn arrow, it uses no more gas than a right turn. You have to use as much gas idling to wait for traffic turning right from a side street as you do waiting for traffic turning left on to a side street.

    But the seconds of idling don't use much gas at all. What REALLY uses gas is stopping, period. Every time you touch your brake you convert the kinetic energy you spent gas obtaining to heat and throw it away. If you're stopped completely you must overcome inertia, which takes even more energy.

    So when I take my foot off the gas when the light ahead turns red, coast to it, and am forced to stop behind your stupid ass at a green light because you zoomed around me racing to the red light, I'm blasting my horn, you rich damned dumbass. Waste your own damned gas but waste mine and I'm pissed.

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    1. Re:Not all left turns are created equal by kailoran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Racing to a red light is definitely dumb, but doing 50MPH on a highway not only "annoys" other people, it contibutes towards more congestion and hence more total fuel usage. When you go slow, many drivers behind you will have to slow down if they are unable to pass you smoothly, in turn someone behind them will have to slow down as well, and suddenly you have a wave of slowness propagating back, ending in a traffic jam. So you might just be wasting a lot of other people's gas.

      And meanwhile, in Europe, people sometimes still wonder how US-ians can consider $3/gallon "expensive" - and that is true in countries with much lower average income.

    2. Re:Not all left turns are created equal by Neoprofin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're going for fuel efficiency, many others or not.

      I'll be the first to tell you that most people who gun it between intersection and weave through traffic trying to go faster are just flailing their arms and panicking. They're not helping anyone, especially not themselves.

      However, if you're like me, and you travel the same routes day in and day out you start to see where problems occur. Well calculated lane changes to avoid things like probable stopped buses a block down and left turners without separate lanes can safe you very noticeable amount of time. Suddenly, racing past someone even if it means getting caught at the same light with them means that they're behind you when it all merges down to one lane. Instead of being stuck behind someone going 50mph on the highway, or more than likely 30mph, you're in a position to be in front of the person instead of behind them. Did it save gas? Don't know, don't care. Did it mean I could leave for work ten minutes later and not have to frustrated by slow person in front of me? Yep, and that's what I was looking for.

    3. Re:Not all left turns are created equal by Choad+Namath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And they'll be safer drivers, not only for themselves, but also for everyone else sharing the road.
      It's only safer when everyone drives slower. Seeing as that's not going to happen, driving slower than the flow of traffic is always going to be more dangerous.
    4. Re:Not all left turns are created equal by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Informative

      safety issues i'd like to share:

      1. semis with properly functioning and adjusted brakes can stop very quickly. not as fast as a car of course, but faster than you'd expect. some newer trucks/trailers have ABS and can really surprise you.

      2. a two axle straight truck can stop almost as quickly as a car. these can look exactly like a trailer from behind. don't tailgate a straight truck.

      3. you don't have to hang 5ft off the bumper. mythbusters examined this and found that 35 ft is pretty good for fuel economy. that's still tailgating but not atypical for urban area highways/freeways.

      4. do not tailgate until you have established that the trailer's brake lights are working. they are more reliable than passenger car brake lights since the trucks get inspected all the time, but it's still something to be wary of.

      5. trucks/trailers obscure your visibility of unfolding events ahead. you can see through, over, or around a smaller vehicle and react to upcoming events at the same time as (often earlier than) the drivers ahead of you. can't do that when there's a big trailer in front of you.

      6. note the bumper height mismatch. some trailers have a bar around 16'' off the ground to match up with your bumper in collisions. these are great. if the trailer doesn't have this, you have substantially less protection since the trailer frame will probably meet up with your car around the height of your neck. drive accordingly.

    5. Re:Not all left turns are created equal by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coasting to red lights only benefits YOU if you're in front. If there's a line of cars behind you, the accordion effect kicks in and everyone goes into stop-n-go mode.

      The accordion effect kicks in with rapid changes in speed, not gradual ones. Now, if you don't make it to the lights before they change back to green you really are holding up traffic, but provided you do get to them before they change you're actually helping the traffic to flow more smoothly. The exception of course is lights which are operating with sensors rather than on a timer - the lights simply won't consider changing before you get close, so by unnecessarily delaying your arrival at them you're just slowing yourself down and harming your fuel economy. Oh, and while it may be economical to minimise you deceleration, it's most economical to get back up to speed quickly. All that time at intermediate speeds if you accelerate slowly hurts more than a quick burst at full throttle and the rest at your cruising speed - the engine is most economical at full throttle and the car is, till you approach motorway/highway speeds, more economical the faster you go.

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  24. Re:This story pops up every couple o months by cybermage · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why does the union decide on the route?

    Well, if the computer tells you your route and tells management how many miles that should put on the odometer and how much time it should take, it would be pretty hard to make side trips or otherwise slack off.

  25. Old news? by Quixote · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was on Digg more than a year ago. And we all know how prompt Digg is, so this is quite old news.

  26. Zoolander? by Borealis · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least Derek Zoolander has a fallback career now if he can't model anymore.

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  27. Re:Makes sense by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Funny

    From a time issue along. Left turns usually require red light wait, whereas many right turns just a stop, count 3 and go. I suppose in the case of a UPS truck, the truck will probably win most of the time, but the rest of us usually make sure nobody's coming instead of counting to 3.

  28. Flashing Green by CruddyBuddy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    While that is bad, my first experience in Canada with a flashing green light.

    My first encounter with that had a lot of honking horns behind me, and my 'navigator' saying "why are they honking at you?"

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    1. Re:Flashing Green by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Informative
      Shamelessly stolen from the Wikipedia...

      Flashing green light

      In British Columbia and Massachusetts and a few other states, a flashing green signal is used at a pedestrian crossing, at which pedestrians have the ability to stop traffic to allow a safe crossing. They may also be used at a drawbridge. The flashing green indicates that the signal is not currently in use. As soon as a pedestrian pushes the button to trigger the signal, the light changes to solid green for a short time before entering the normal yellow/red/green sequence, then returns to flashing green until another crossing is requested; however, in some places such as Vancouver, it goes directly from flashing green to yellow, leaving out the solid green sequence. In Massachusetts, specifically in Cambridge and Somerville, the main street will have a flashing green signal, while cross streets have a signal that have a red on top, yellow in the middle and flashing red in the bottom position. When a pedestrian activates the signal, the cross street changes from flashing red in the lowest position to yellow to red (topmost position).

      In Ontario and Nova Scotia, a flashing green light indicates that the opposing direction still has a red light, thus drivers are free to make a left turn.

      Holy F... this, children, is why God invented standards.
    2. Re:Flashing Green by Neoprofin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It bothers me anytime people assume their experiences are the definitive norm.

      I'm from the Midwest, I've driven from Washington DC to Seattle, and I've never seen a flashing green light in my life, or if I did I didn't given it enough thought to warrant trying to figure out what it meant and just drove through it. I'm glad someone posted the Wikipedia article about it too, or I never would have known that it can mean any number of things depending on where you are.

  29. Re:editors? by Speare · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some CS major probably figured this out instead of traveling salesman.

    Indeed, it's a reference to a classic computational logic problem, "the Traveling Salesman problem."

    What's funny here is that a "few left turns" solution is still in the domain of the Traveling Salesman. It's not a case of "instead of," it's just a tiny bit more detailed as far as algorithms go. It simply attaches a different cost or weight on different edges of the graph, and in fact different directions of the same edge. Now, it takes a fair amount of work to provide accurate costs for each mile and corner along a route, but given that embedded GPS platforms can handle this sort of level of detail, I'm not worried about that.

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  30. I would be VERY surprised if it does not work. by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in the early 80's, I-25 in Denver would literally come to a crawl and it would be true stop and go traffic. The reason is that at the top of the on-ramps would be stop lights. These would release a batch of cars (2 abreast), who would then FLOOD i-25. At the merge point, the I-25 cars literally had to stop to allow the mass of merging cars in. In 1986, they added those on-ramp lights, and it changed the flow of I-25. Basically, these were timed to the flow of traffic. As I-25 go heavier, then the red light got longer. But now, I-25 flows MUCH faster, fewer accidents, and almost certainly carries a GREAT deal more traffic.

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  31. Re:Bangkok by digitig · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I also think in the interest of public safety you should withdraw your invite, especially to those from countries that drive on the right side of the road - it is hard enough to get used to that change let alone the loose traffic laws and darting motorcycle taxis. If Bangkok is anything like Mumbai, the side of the road is irrelevant. I had to ask a local which side of the road people were supposed to be driving on, because I couldn't tell by looking at the traffic.
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  32. In other news... by Redbaran · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... UPS dropped all NASCAR sponsorship citing technical difficulties with their in-car GPS systems which caused too many cars to crash into the wall.

  33. perception != reality by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While the implementation may well be flawed, it's also possible that the observer's perception of the situation is too limited to adequately judge it. By the nature of the problem, shaping traffic patterns can involve local actions that look non-optimal but have a positive effect on the overall system.

  34. Re:I have a solution.... and a racist comment by jtanwanteng · · Score: 3, Funny

    and your parents made a mistake

  35. Re:off topic but... by japhmi · · Score: 2, Funny

    The real cause of traffic problems is governments thinking they can control our behaviors like rats in a maze.


    Subject SL610249 is getting unruly, better move the cheese again...
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