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A Child's View of the OLPC

Finallyjoined!!! sends us a BBC account of a dad who traveled to Nigeria and brought back an XO laptop for his 9-year-old, Rufus. Here is Rufus's review, a child's view of OLPC. "Because it looks rather like a simple plastic toy, I had thought it might suffer the same fate as the radio-controlled dinosaur or the roller-skates he got last Christmas - enjoyed for a day or two, then ignored. Instead, it seems to provide enduring fascination... With no help from his Dad, he has learned far more about computers than he knew a couple of weeks ago, and the XO appears to be a more creative tool than the games consoles which occupy rather too much of his time."

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  1. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    America scams Nigeria!

  2. radio controlled dinosaur, game consoles (plural)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That doesn't sound terribly impovrished or deprived to me. Food is a lot cheaper than those things, and typically a higher priority on the to-buy-list.

  3. Already? by 4solarisinfo · · Score: 4, Interesting



    I returned from Nigeria with a sample of the XO laptop

    I did RTFA, and no mention of HOW he got the laptop... I know everyone was talking about these things ending up all over the world in the black market, don't tell me it's ALREADY there.

    1. Re:Already? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe there's a pilot in Nigeria underway. Here's another person from Nigeria's view of the OLPC.

    2. Re:Already? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> I returned from Nigeria with a sample of the XO laptop

      That's nothin'. I returned from Nigeria with my late uncle's ashes and 30% of his $20,000,000 estate.

    3. Re:Already? by Guillermito · · Score: 1

      There's a pilot plan going on in Uruguay too. The spanish speaking kids from the chat mentioned in the article are probably from there.

    4. Re:Already? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

      I returned from Nigeria with a sample of the XO laptop ... and a few copies of Vista Ultimate... and Indiana Jones 4 and the next Harry Potter pre-production master on DVD... and a country's worth of spam in my inbox!

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    5. Re:Already? by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahahahahaaa.. look at this country.. U R GAY!!!

      [/obligatory Simpsons quote]

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    6. Re:Already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      So no information in the article about the Nigerian that should have gotten that laptop instead, huh? I'm glad that this laptop is helping a privileged child in England instead of someone that really needs it.

    7. Re:Already? by somersault · · Score: 1

      That wasn't intended as flamebait, it's a real Simpsons quote *shrug* when Homer looks at a world globe.

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    8. Re:Already? by Flwyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Especially since just last month you could pay about $400 to get one and support the production of one to a kid in the developing country. That's got to be cheaper than a trip to Nigeria...

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    9. Re:Already? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You expected a Brit to go to Africa and NOT exploit the local population and natural resources?

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    10. Re:Already? by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      But as usual, no Duke Nukem Forever.

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    11. Re:Already? by nick_davison · · Score: 1

      I believe Michael Caine said it best, "Stop throwing those bloody 419 emails at me!"

    12. Re:Already? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I did think of that too, but there's enough comedy in the Simpsons quote for one post.

      The best thing about that hidden message is that when you go to the initial SMG screen (before you click 'play' on the Wii menu), the stars are sparkling, making them even more noticeable. The guy who pulled that off deserves a beer, it's just so weird... I mean it's not illegal or anything but I wonder how many guys get the game then feel like they've just been slapped in the face when they boot it up, complete with a picture of Mario flying around like a little fairy..

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  4. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the boy can lookup and edit cognitive dissonance.

    1. Re:Translation by ByOhTek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What does this have to do with cognitive dissonance?

      That typically comes from paying a high price for a low return (not just financially/materially either). In this case it is financial/material, and it seems more like a low price/high return.

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    2. Re:Translation by pthisis · · Score: 1

      What does this have to do with cognitive dissonance?

      I agree, I don't see the relation.

      That typically comes from paying a high price for a low return (not just financially/materially either).

      Not really.

      Cognitive dissonance is tension from antagonistic thoughts. Canonical examples are things like watching the rascist frat boys in Borat and not knowing whether to laugh or cry, or seeing a beautiful woman's body with an ugly demon head on it.

      Many psychologists consider it the root of most humor (hearkening back to the old "Tragedy is when I cut my finger; comedy is when you fall down a manhole cover and die").

      It might come into purchasing if there's a difficult to analyze return (e.g. buying that donut you don't need, where it's high return for about 1 minute and then a much lower or even negative return) but that's different from just feeling ripped off by getting a low return on a high price.

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  5. How long will that one work? by AceJohnny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought the XO laptops had a kill switch to disable them if they leaked out from their target demographic (african schools), into secondary markets?

    Isn't the article's premise the exact situation which the OLPC designers feared?

    Of course, the article mentions "a sample of the XO laptop", so I hope this this specific laptop wasn't obtained through such a secondary market...

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    1. Re:How long will that one work? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 5, Informative

      First, the target markets are not all African schools. They have target countries on other continents as well. (Off the top of my head, I know there are several in South America.)

      Second, it's not an automatic kill switch. It allows you to disable the laptop if it is reported stolen, and will disable the laptop if it hasn't been able to check with the server for a certain time period. If the laptop is properly configured with a school server, then (even across the Internet) it will still be able to maintain its lease, and it won't shut off.

    2. Re:How long will that one work? by klubar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sounds a lot like WGA and DRM to me. The machine "checks in" with the server to make sure it's still authorized. What else does it report to the server?

    3. Re:How long will that one work? by somersault · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, of course it reports all of your credit card details, fingerprints, blood type (those sharp corners aren't just due to low production costs you know!), and also all your thoughts using the built in brainwave scanner. Better not let your firstborn near it either, because they're programmed to fire out CDs to decapitate firstborns as a proper sacrifice (to help amortise costs).

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    4. Re:How long will that one work? by Tacvek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Normally nothing else. But here is the main thing. Any student can request a developer's key. Once they have a developer's key they have full control over the computer and could disable the security system entirely. Now, how does one prevent a thief from requesting the key? Well to quote the spec: "The key-issuing process incorporates a 14-day delay to allow for a slow theft report to percolate up through the system, and is only issued if the machine is not reported stolen at the end of that period of time." To see the whole OLPC security specification see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Bitfrost especially the "P_THEFT: anti-theft protection" section.

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    5. Re:How long will that one work? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Not just that, but how the heck do they manage this with an entirely open source project?

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    6. Re:How long will that one work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, but the users of the laptops are NOT supposed to be the owners. This is DRM and it is good, its to ensure that the real owners of the laptops (the schools) can disable laptops that get lost/stolen. And since its not the users property, they also have no right to privacy when using the devices. Much like you have to right to expect disk space allotted to you by your school wont be looked at.

    7. Re:How long will that one work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe owner/administrator must enable it upon receiving it. By default (i.e. from MFR), it is turned off.

      And please don't curse a technology; curse the the immoral/gray business practices. Did you know a pen can kill? Not by writing but literally as a weapon? It's the user's intent that matters.

    8. Re:How long will that one work? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative
      Err, only if it's enabled by the computer's owner. That's the big diff... the XO DRM is a user option (like Lo-Jack for laptops), while WGA/DRM is a vendor's option (and is always on whether you like it or not, unless you use EULA-violating tools to disable it).

      So conceptually you have a point, but practically you're way off base.

      /P

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    9. Re:How long will that one work? by BrentH · · Score: 1

      Sensitive data like how advanced the user has become from all that looking into the source so that Negroponte's commandos can 'rescue' the little kids on time for his next meal. You know Negroponte eats little kids brains, no?

    10. Re:How long will that one work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See there, doesn't open source make you feel more secure already? What a perfect example of the advantages.

    11. Re:How long will that one work? by geordie_loz · · Score: 1

      I think that there's a big difference between a school protecting it's assets and those items which it allows to connect to it's own network, vs everything being reported to Microsoft. The laptop reports to the school (and they're the purchasers of the product, or at least their education system), not to the makers of the XO. This is no different than a company installing software to ensure security of their own laptops etc..

    12. Re:How long will that one work? by Mercano · · Score: 1

      Of course, if a system that's already been issued a developer key gets stolen, your SOL.

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    13. Re:How long will that one work? by Asahi+Super+Dry · · Score: 1

      That's assuming the student issued the dev key turns off the antitheft feature. I imagine anyone privacy-conscious (or paranoid) enough to do so would be likely to take pains to ensure the machine's physical security as well.

    14. Re:How long will that one work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! I could not believe it reading this. With all the "free, open source, for everyone, bla bla bla " I hear all the time about this project they not only cripple it, mbut make it totally unusable? Dare I use the B word?

      Just for the sake of argument, imagine XO powered by some small XP (embedded?) with such a feature it would be total outcry. Bad Micro$oft at it again!

      So if I'm in a small village with no connection for the summer, or if a war starts and the school servers blows up and I take refuge in a remote familly location I am screwed?

      Wow, what a disappointment this is for me.

    15. Re:How long will that one work? by Lijemo · · Score: 1

      I've seen advertisements locally (near the MIT birthplace of the XO) for a program where you can pay for three of the laptops: two go to children in target countries, the third goes to you. So there are legitimate ways for middle-class people in industrialized nations to acquire these.

    16. Re:How long will that one work? by wsanders · · Score: 1

      A kill switch? Controlled by the secret Illuminati cell at the MPA?

      Anyone can buy one right now:

      http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

      I can't possibly imagine a black market in these thing developing in Africa! Shocking!

      So the OLPC does have a kill switch; if the one you pick up in Africa somehow "escaped" from some school's inventory, you might get bricked.

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    17. Re:How long will that one work? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      I don't think poor African kids are a big target for advertisers and identity thieves.

    18. Re:How long will that one work? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      This sounds a lot like WGA and DRM to me. The machine "checks in" with the server to make sure it's still authorized. What else does it report to the server?

      Sort of, except it works at the discretion of the user. Owners of the machine can request a key and take control if they want, but this is supposed to be targeting minors for educational purposes, so it makes sense to keep them centrally controlled by the school to some degree. The laptops also keep a log of activity for each student, so teachers can see which projects they've been working on (did they really spend 2 hours on composing that essay, or did they spend 15 minutes then play SimCity for the rest? I don't know if this information is uploaded to the server though.

    19. Re:How long will that one work? by hyperball · · Score: 1
      actually, it is a great cover... when looking for the operators of a botnet, you can "plant" fake evidence that points to some kid in Africa. It is precisely their lack of resources and recourse to law that makes them ideal for identity theft.

      compare the Estonian Cyberwar: "The strategy requires the aggressor to identify and attack the weakest link on the network, and then use it as a cover to give the appearance of legitimacy and rapidly propagate the malicious code throughout the rest of the network."

    20. Re:How long will that one work? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      or they store the devkey (and the passphrase for it if there is one) in a place on the machine where the thief can find it.

      but I suspect this will be a minor issue as few will request the devkey in the first place.

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    21. Re:How long will that one work? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Hmm, last I heared it was pay for two get one. Maybe they have got a bit greedier ;)

      Still if they have any sense there will be a clear visible difference (main case plastics a different color would be the obvious one) between XOs for the open market and XOs for the bulk education customers.

      Afaict none have been shipped through that program yet though. I suspect this author got given the machine because he was working with kids who used them and needed to know his way arround them.

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    22. Re:How long will that one work? by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Anyone can buy one right now
      They can order one but I don't think any have been shipped to private customers yet.

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    23. Re:How long will that one work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe read the rest of the thread to see why this isn't the case instead of being a dick.

  6. Emulator? by east+coast · · Score: 1

    Is there an emulator of this device out there or does the machine actually run a common distro of Linux? I don't know much about the project, obviously, but I'm wondering if this is more like a normal functioning laptop or more like a LeapFrog learning device.

    Just curious.

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    1. Re:Emulator? by Breakfast+Cereal · · Score: 5, Informative

      From http://wiki.laptop.org/go/News

      Wolfgang Rohrmoser and Kurt Gramlich are proud to announce the initial version of their OLPC XO-LiveCD. This new project targets these goals:

        give children, students, teachers and parents the opportunity to participate and use the Sugar educational software on a common PC;
        support demonstration of OLPC software to non-developers;
        provide an easy maintainable Live-System for developers to test activities on the sugar desktop, this could be regarded as an alternative to existing OLPC virtualbox and qemu images.

      The technology they choose embeds an unmodified official Redhat build into a framework (LiveBackup), which provides everything needed to run a live system. Going this way we are able to minimize the work for updates as new OLPC builds get released.

      The ISO image are available at:

      ftp://rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/

      as: XO-LiveCD_.iso

      Images will be mirrored to:

      http://skolelinux.de/XO-LiveCD/

      Wolfgang and Kurt encourage everybody to try it out and give them feedback for improvements; please send mail to:

      XO-LiveCD@skolelinux.de. Further information is available in the XO-LiveCD.pdf document at:

      http://skolelinux.de/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD.pdf

    2. Re:Emulator? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 2, Informative

      It runs a customized, stripped-down version of Fedora Core 7 (details here). There isn't an "XO emulator", but since it's s standard x86 system, you can emulate an XO using Qemu, VMware, Virtualbox, or another virtualization program. (It's not perfect, but it is close enough to see how the system works.)

    3. Re:Emulator? by Atzanteol · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images_for_emulation

      Enjoy. It's a modified RedHat distro with a special WM called Sugar.

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    4. Re:Emulator? by faloi · · Score: 1

      It's a modified Linux distro, you can get a live CD to play with it here.

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    5. Re:Emulator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Emulator? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You can read a review of Sugar here

      http://polishlinux.org/apps/window-managers/a-brief-look-at-sugarui-by-redhat/

      Choice quotes

      "The capabilities of the applications that come with OLPC arent much better than those of modern cell phones"

      "In Abiword, the functionality has been crippled to allow only simple formatting (bold, italic, underline, insert image). What is quite astonishing is that the files are saved ... in Microsoft .DOC format."

      "Basing on my observations, the RAM usage is not lower and not even comparable with the lightweight GNU/Linux distributions like Damn Small Linux (which needs only 31 MB of RAM when booted from the CD)."

      "The main issues I see with the current SugarUI are as follows:

      * No handy file navigation. Using Firefox we can save an image to a folder and then search for it and open with Abiword but what about file copying and deleting?

      * The system is interesting and may be a nice toy for the kids, but it currently lacks the features to be an effective tool in school. No decent calc program, a very poor document editor and no PDF support make it quite unusable for a 12-year old.

      * What about multimedia? The Flash plugin is not enough. What about handling the audio and video streams?

      * The interface is not clear to me. What are these circles and dots doing on top of the screen? It would be nice to see some KDE-like tool-tips for the not-too-intuitive icons, as well as a simple desktop personalizer."

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    7. Re:Emulator? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      In addition to the emulator approach and the LiveCD, someone runs a PPA on Launchpad with Sugar (the OLPC software and API) packages for Ubuntu Gutsy. https://launchpad.net/~jani/+archive And if you run Fedora, i'm pretty sure it would be child's play to get it running, since the OLPC is based on Fedora.

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    8. Re:Emulator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome! I'm posting this from a virtual XO!

      Uh oh. Is it safe to let the children browse Slashdot?

    9. Re:Emulator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No decent calc program, a very poor document editor and no PDF support make it quite unusable for a 12-year old.

      Damn. It sounds like the computer I used in 1979, was unusable. No wonder I didn't learn anything. Why the fuck did the school have that useless thing!?
    10. Re:Emulator? by mycall · · Score: 1

      Why use this instead of the virtual version? http://dev.laptop.org/pub/virtualbox/

  7. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 5, Informative

    The XO laptops connect through a school Jabber server, so if his laptop was set to use the same Jabber server, then he could see all of the people at that school, even if he's not on their local wireless network.

  8. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by tgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How does you wandering around with your DS have any bearing at all on how a totally different system with totally different software and totally different requirements works?

    Oh yeah, it has no bearing at all.

    Maybe you should go read up on the OLPC software stack.

  9. Different languages by DeeQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The one thing that struck me the most was the part where the kid asked about what his "friends" were saying to him, and how hes learned hola. This is more than enough of a learning tool to master a language. I personally know from first hand experience how this can work from a game I used to play that people from all over the world played. From starting the game at age 10ish one of my friends had learned english, finish, german and a little french. The ability to talk to other kids from different areas with language barriers is a great way for people to learn a language. Also for all the people who are talking about how food would be a better choice than education etc you are missing the point. There are plenty of charities and other donations to help starving kids. Not every kid out there is starving, but even some that are not starving are education deprived. I think this program could help alot of these countries get more education for thier children which in the long run will help them with money and food issues hopefully.

    1. Re:Different languages by Araneas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More so than that, Rufus' world is now a little bigger and his mind a little less narrow. A civil war in South America or a famine in Africa will have more meaning to him because it's not happening to some faceless other, it's happening to his friends.

    2. Re:Different languages by MPAB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Marge: Lisa, you got a letter.
        Lisa: It's from my pen-pal Anya! [reads]
        Anya: [voice over] Dear Lisa, as I write this, I am very sad. Our
                    president has been overthrown and
                      [voice changes to that of a man]
                    replaced by the benevolent general Krull. All hail Krull and his
                    glorious new regime! Sincerely, Little Girl.

    3. Re:Different languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, not faceless... just one face, because, ya know, they all look the same.

    4. Re:Different languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More so than that, Rufus' world is now a little bigger and his mind a little less narrow. A civil war in South America or a famine in Africa will have more meaning to him because it's not happening to some faceless other, it's happening to his friends. You know, there's already plenty of people caught under oppressive regimes like Russia and China who are connected to the Internet, and yet I never talked to one of them. However, I'm sure those who want to know more about $OPPRESSIVE_REGIME of their choice are already chatting even now as we speak with someone that keeps them informed of the current situation. There's millions of kids already connected to the Internet right now, how is that their mind was not expanded by contact with other cultures? Is it because there is no chat program installed on their computer, or because kids most of the time don't have much interest in international politics? The XO is a laptop, not some magic bullet that will suddenly make people care about the third world.
    5. Re:Different languages by rur · · Score: 1

      "The ability to talk to other kids from different areas with language barriers is a great way for people to learn a language."

      If you make it part of a game it will become even more appealing - imagine the old text games, now change them to display text in the language of the majority/minority of people in a room; add tools to aid in translation and you've got kids learning languages while playing.

    6. Re:Different languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone else thinking "OPLC = A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer"

      See The Diamond Age

  10. BBC reporter by fishter · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Dad is Rory Cellan-Jones, a seasoned BBC reporter on technology. A better link (with pictures) is here BBC News

    1. Re:BBC reporter by swab79 · · Score: 1

      And I believe this must be his son using the laptop.

    2. Re:BBC reporter by fishter · · Score: 1

      Not the same kid as the picture in the article. (see the link in my previous comment for the full article, not the print version in the OP).

    3. Re:BBC reporter by swab79 · · Score: 1

      Ooops, wrong clip, this is the right one!

    4. Re:BBC reporter by Artichoke · · Score: 1

      And for non-Welsh speakers that's pronounced something almost like: Kethlan-Jones.

      Though the sound I've transliterated as 'th' has some of the 'ch' in the Scottish 'loch' too. But "Kechlan-Jones" might be mistaken for "Ketchlan-Jones", which would be even worse :)

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  11. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Scarblac · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently it's easy to use them to connect to WiFi networks, his dad already ran one, and then you can apparently join OLPC chat rooms over the normal Internet. Not really the same as directly connecting to other OLPCs.

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  12. Smart kid by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 3, Funny

    "With no help from his Dad, he has learned far more about computers than he knew a couple of weeks ago."

    The kid has made such a fast advancement that he has already been offered a job by Chris Hansen.

    1. Re:Smart kid by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And in his spare time, working on the next version of the Linux core...

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    2. Re:Smart kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      The kid has made such a fast advancement that he has already been offered a job by Chris Hansen. Better than being offered a 'job' by Michael Jackson.
  13. A child's view of the $100 laptop is good and all by drhamad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But what about a child's view of the $200 laptop?

    Also, somebody might have pointed this out already, but this guy took a laptop from Nigeria to bring to the UK? That seems to defeat the point (from how it's stated in the article, it doesn't seem that it was from the buy one/give one program).

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  14. Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by mean+pun · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The conclusion I draw from the article is that this would be a great christmas present for a lot of children everywhere. (And that's a hint to the makers.)

    I don't doubt for a moment that this thread will be filled with the usual /. grousing about the usefulness of the entire project, but let's give credit where credit is due: it looks like they have made a product that appeals to children. Perhaps they know what they are doing?

    1. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've just dispatched a courier on an autogyro to the Belgium Congo to obtain me a gross of them in exchange for trinkets and cheap food. Merry Christmas!

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    2. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by tgd · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think they could've really pushed this if they had manufacturing up to snuff with them... but people who ordered in the first week of the B2G1 deal (like myself) are still unlikely to see it before Christmas.

    3. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by kabocox · · Score: 1

      The conclusion I draw from the article is that this would be a great christmas present for a lot of children everywhere. (And that's a hint to the makers.)

      Last year and this year my daughter (9 year old) asked for a laptop. I think $400-500 is too much for one family member's present no matter how much I'd like to get it for her. Both her and her younger bother were asking about the little $50 30 word game "laptop" toy that's around Walmart. I refuse to purchase one of those. If I buy a laptop for my kids it'll at least be a "real" laptop.

      If I could buy a OLPC from Walmart for $100-$150, I could justify getting one for each of my kids. I could almost talk myself into getting one for my wife and myself as well for that price. The OLPC could be the killer "educational" Christmas present that outsells the Wii, Pokemon, Tickle Me Elmo, scooters, and Aqua dots. How long could Walmart keep 1 million of them in stock?

    4. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The OLPC could be the killer "educational" Christmas present that outsells the Wii, Pokemon, Tickle Me Elmo, scooters, and Aqua dots. How long could Walmart keep 1 million of them in stock?
      The real question is, how long before somebody at Walmart figures this out? Most people are skeptical the potential for computers as educational tools, and a generation of poorly designed "educational toys" and badly conceived "computer literacy" projects has only cemented that POV. The biggest impact of the OLPC project may be to educate adults.

      Here's what the OLPC did right that so many others have done wrong. You don't need fancy technologies or highly-trained teachers. You need to give kids a solid set of learning software tools. Then you need to get out of the way.
    5. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by kabocox · · Score: 1

      The real question is, how long before somebody at Walmart figures this out? Most people are skeptical the potential for computers as educational tools, and a generation of poorly designed "educational toys" and badly conceived "computer literacy" projects has only cemented that POV. The biggest impact of the OLPC project may be to educate adults.

      Here's what the OLPC did right that so many others have done wrong. You don't need fancy technologies or highly-trained teachers. You need to give kids a solid set of learning software tools. Then you need to get out of the way.


      Heck, the spec has a SD Flash card slot doesn't it? That's plenty of space for me to load some e-books be it pdf, txt, or rtf and use it as a cheap e-book reader. It seems that everyone that sells ebook readers wants to sell them around $400-500. If I'm going to spend that much, I'm getting real laptop. Not something that can only read formats from one vendor and maybe not even the standard file formats. I've got tons of crap in .lit and I really hate the MS lit reader. Worst reader ever. I'd rather just use notepad or wordpad.

      The things that my kids like to play on our desktop. MS Paint and Sim City 4's terrain editor. I'm sure it'll have some type of paint program. That alone would almost be worth the purchase, if it can do some other standard things on the cheap, they'll have a huge market for it. If the OLPC actually started selling at Walmart, how long would it take for those other laptops to drop from the $400-$500 range down to the $150-200 range?

      If there was any laptop being sold at that price point, none of the 3 game systems would sell. The parents would look and think why spend more for a game than something of "educational" value.

    6. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      You can still buy one, get one but it's unlikely you'll get one before Christmas, and it's only open to US and Canadian citizens. Still, it makes the perfect gift, as every one sold is another one in the hands of kids around the world.

    7. Re:Conclusion: would be a great christmas present by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Heck, the spec has a SD Flash card slot doesn't it? That's plenty of space for me to load some e-books be it pdf, txt, or rtf and use it as a cheap e-book reader. It seems that everyone that sells ebook readers wants to sell them around $400-500. If I'm going to spend that much, I'm getting real laptop. Not something that can only read formats from one vendor and maybe not even the standard file formats.
      You make a good point, but it's worth mentioning why the new ebook readers are so expensive: they use the new electronic paper technology. Epaper has a big advantage over LCD displays: it only draws power when the display changes. So where laptops can only be used for a few hours without recharging, ebook devices can go without charging for weeks or even months. The Sony reader doesn't even have an off switch, because it doesn't use the battery when its just sitting there displaying a page. The Amazon Kindle does have some features that drain power when it's turned on, but it still has a very long battery life.

      The OLPC XO is designed to minimize power consumption, but it still doesn't have a really good power solution. It works with an ordinary power supply, but the solutions designed for its off-grid target customers are less than ideal. If its main goal were to be an ebook reader, this would be a major design flaw. But of course it's meant to be a lot more than that.
  15. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Funny

    Something smells...and it aint my pants

    It's your pants. Totally.

  16. Interesting reading about the chat feature by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I found int intriguing reading the part of the article about the chat system. He suddenly found himself able to chat with Spanish speaking kids. I wonder exactly how the whole OLPC chat system works and if this is truly a "feature" or a fluke. I say fluke because the article says the chat system identified itself as chatting with others in Nigeria. Will the OLPC's be "region encoded" so kids can only chat with other local kids? Or will kids be able to easily chat with kids from the other side of the world as well? I can see the second alternative, purposeful or not, as a way to help foster a knowledge of other cultures that these kids would otherwise be entirely unaware of. True, language differences would probably minimize the impact of this sort of thing, but as the article demonstrates even a language barrier isn't enough to keep curious kids from making friends half way around the world.

    1. Re:Interesting reading about the chat feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      >I found int intriguing

      Why yes, signed 32bit integer values can be very interesting from many points of view!

    2. Re:Interesting reading about the chat feature by simong · · Score: 1

      That was the feature that impressed me the most. My guess is that OLPC has established a bunch of Jabber or IRC servers as part of the product. How cool is it going to be for kids to click on the 'Chat' icon or whatever and suddenly be talking to other kids on the other side of the world? There are obvious potential downsides, but to me that's what the project should be about.

    3. Re:Interesting reading about the chat feature by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      Why yes, signed 32bit integer values can be very interesting from many points of view!


      My ints have only 16 bits, you insensitive clod!

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    4. Re:Interesting reading about the chat feature by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Dude, time to learn a language more advanced than Visual Basic!

    5. Re:Interesting reading about the chat feature by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      My guess is that OLPC has established a bunch of Jabber or IRC servers as part of the product.

      They use XMMP, which is the Jabber protocol, combined with ZerConf for local discovery. In fact, they can probably see and chat with Macs running iChat.

      How cool is it going to be for kids to click on the 'Chat' icon or whatever and suddenly be talking to other kids on the other side of the world?

      There is more to it than that. Because they can auto-discover other local users without any configuration and because they rely on a central server, with other kids in the project they can not only chat, but collaborate using the majority of the core applications. They can collaborate on musical compositions, play games together, record and transmit pictures, video, and audio, or work on a school project.

      Seriously, I'm sure their are a lot of school teachers in the US that wish Windows had incorporated ZeroConf and there were such rich, collaborative software packages available. The OLPC is not just cheap, it is superior for the purpose of educating children.

  17. 419 by NoPantsJim · · Score: 5, Funny

    "a BBC account of a dad who traveled to Nigeria and brought back an XO laptop"

    So...did he scam a Nigerian?

    1. Re:419 by technomom · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear Sirs,

      The Central Bank of Nigeria is now in possession of 500 "One Laptop Per Child" that is earmarked for our schools. Unfortunately, our minister of education recently died in a tragic car accident. You have been named as his beneficiary and will be responsible for their distribution. As one of the benefits, you will be able to keep one for your own child. To release those laptops, we will need your credit card number and personal details concerning your children so that we may chat with him on our Jabber server.

      Please respond to 1-888-OLP-CCON with your information.

      Regards,
      M'Bol Zarhari
      Esteemeed Grand Puba, Central Bank of NIgeria.

    2. Re:419 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be a 914, since it's the wrong way 'round?

  18. Finally!! by FireNWater · · Score: 2, Funny

    All of those third world kids will finally get up off their butts and away from their Xbox 360's and Playstation 3's!!!!

  19. My kid made the honor role by us7892 · · Score: 3, Funny

    So Rufus is using his laptop to write, paint, make music, explore the internet, and talk to children from other countries.

    Sounds like Rufus is a lot smarter than your kid. Figuring out all this stuff on his own. Before you know it, he'll be like his Dad, buying goods off the black market.

    1. Re:My kid made the honor role by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      He already sent out a couple of million 409 emails, in all caps.

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  20. Kids and computer by weicco · · Score: 1

    My 3 year old son knows how to turn on PC + monitor, how to use mouse, double-click icons on desktop (Windows Vista Home Premium), knows which icon starts which program and so on. Heck, after a couple of minutes of practice he learned how to run Counter Strike Source, create a server and join the team he wants (usually CTs). He knows also how to start MS Paint and create some really cool post-modern art ;)

    He likes to surf the web a lot, especially pictures of dragons and such. Because he can't read or write I wrote a little program for him which has image buttons that opens IE (embedded inside the program) to Google image search with predefined query parameters. Program uses a little XML configuration file so I can easily add more parameters to it.

    9 year who can use OLPC? Wow! That's really amazing! ;)

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    1. Re:Kids and computer by DeeQ · · Score: 1

      You have clearly missed the point. You taught your child how to do all of that. This kid pick it up and without help did what he did, not to mention in a non windows enviroment. Also the point of the article wasn't about a 9 year old using a pc it was how the 9 year old saw the pc as a tool for education and fun. But you probably didn't RTFA. Someone not RTFA on /.? Wow! That's really amazing! ;)

    2. Re:Kids and computer by us7892 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your 3-year old is advanced. My 3-year old always clicks the right mouse button and ends up with the "display properties" dialog window. Then he smears his fingers on the LCD.

    3. Re:Kids and computer by Fez · · Score: 1

      We regret ever showing our 3 year old how to use the web. He's constantly hogging one of the PCs now playing games on Playhouse Disney's web site. He (thankfully) doesn't yet know which icon to click to start the web browser, but he knows how to get to the bookmarks once he's in. We do limit his time, but it's a fight when we tell him his turn is over.

      He knows what buttons to push to turn the PC on, but by design, he can't. I bought server-style cases with doors that cover the buttons. It's only a matter of time before he figures that part out.

      He'd hog the Nintendo DS, too, if we let him. Crayola Adventures is pure evil, I say! ;)

    4. Re:Kids and computer by sgbett · · Score: 1

      yeah well *my* three year old daughter does all that on linux, (uphill. both ways!) ;)

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    5. Re:Kids and computer by Xtense · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So your 3-year old kid already plays Counter Strike: Source?

      That's some pretty good parenting, right there.

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    6. Re:Kids and computer by d3ac0n · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your 3-year old is advanced.


      Not really.

      My son learned how to do most of that (not counting playing CS. Although he does play some Web-based games at Noggin.com) at about 3 - 3/12. Now before you go saying "Well your son is just a genius." Please be aware, my son has Autism. He's not "normal" in any sense of the word, other than being physically healthy.

      His learning is definitely behind that of his peers, requiring him to need a special in-school tutor to help him along. He's 5 now, and struggling along in 1st grade. Still, we're impressed with his progress so far, and are now looking for ways we can use his affinity for computers to help educate him.

      The truth is, if parents would take just 5-15 minutes to sit down with their child at a computer and begin to use it with them, they would find that most kids would very quickly latch onto it, and soon be doing things with it themselves. I suspect that this will begin to happen more and more and the generation that was born into a world with computers and the internet as a common thing have kids of their own. Heck, it's ALREADY happening, if my son is any indication.

      Don't sell your kids short. Get them in front of a computer and learning today. Their peers have already started.
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    7. Re:Kids and computer by goddidit · · Score: 1

      I wrote a little program for him which has image buttons that opens IE You must really hate the little bugger.
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    8. Re:Kids and computer by ray-auch · · Score: 1

      Nowhere did GP say they had taught this behaviour.

      My kids have picked up use of a PC with little or no instruction - interested kids have a way of just figuring stuff out by trying things (something we lose the tendency to do as we head into adulthood).

      I have had to put controls in place to _stop_ them signing up for chatrooms, ebay, gambling sites etc. (because I found them doing it - way before I thought I would have to worry about it). The oldest is _6_. At no time have they been _taught_ how to do these things - they just click on stuff (including ads) and figure it out.

      I have an 18month old who has found the main switch (at the power socket) that controls the home computer. He takes great delight in turning it off. Was he _taught_ to do that ? Hell no. He's figured it out by randomly playing with switches at some point and ealising that that one turns the screen off and gets a big reaction from the person using the computer.

      I would expect a young child to pick up using any type of pc (XO or otherwise) pretty quickly - probably quicker than me these days. There is nothing special about OLPC in this respect, or indeed about any PC. Decades ago, thousands of children had similar experiences with the early home computers like the ZX81 etc. Most often, those computers went into homes where the parents had zero computing knowledge (we're talking 1981 remember), so there was no one to teach the children. The children still learnt, and fast, and with only a command line interface.

    9. Re:Kids and computer by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Ditto. My daughter just turned 4 and already is addicted to the computer. Fortunately, all she knows so far is www.starfall.com, so it's still educational, but I don't like her sitting in front of a screen so much at that age.

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    10. Re:Kids and computer by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Just after turning 1, I gave my son his first PC. I showed him how the mouse worked, and showed him how to load gCompris. Withing a couple of weeks, he was perfectly competent loading any application he wanted. Just after his 2nd birthday, I gave him an Ubuntu CD and formated his hard drive. He installed it with no problems.

      I'm going to have to agree that being able to use a computer at 9 when you grew up on a 1st world country is not very impressive. It's not a bad thing. Just something that isn't newsworthy.

    11. Re:Kids and computer by rriven · · Score: 1
      I know what you mean. We got a DS for the wife and our 3 1/2 yr old plays Mario all the time. Then when I got the XBOX 360 for halo it came with a free game Ultimate Alliance. He loves to play Spider Man and If he could he would play all day long.


      It is sad when you give your kid a choice between the park and computer/games they pick games.

      We had to limit it to 45 min a day, or else he would upset easy and seemed to not listen to us.

      On the bright side we now have a effective tool for punishment. Just threaten to take away the 360 or the DS and they are an angel :)

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    12. Re:Kids and computer by Fez · · Score: 1

      I'll have to show my son that site (starfall.com). He loves letters. He knows the alphabet backwards and forwards, and can read the letters, but he hasn't taken an interest in reading words or sentences just yet. He can write his name, and he will write lots of letters, but not all of them. We read to him every day, and sometimes he pretends to read to us, but it's stories he makes up that go with the pictures instead of what is written -- which is great in its own way.

      One thing that helped with letters was Here Come the ABCs we listen to it in the car a lot. I was already a fan of They Might Be Giants, and I just loved it when he took a liking to them as well. :) They have a "Here comes the 123s" that is due out in February.

      I'd much rather he use the computer than stare at the TV, which is what seems to happen a lot more than I'd like. We got him a V.Smile system for Christmas so we'll see how that works out in terms of a compromise...

    13. Re:Kids and computer by razpones · · Score: 1

      I installed Debian Lenny on my imac g3 and put all kinds of kids games and learning tools, I then told my 3 year old son it was his computer, he looked at me with shinny eyes and jumped to the computer at once. Since then he learned how to turn it on (i have to put in the user and password), with KDE he can find his favorite games and tuxpaint and such, its hard to get him off of it, he also watches his movies there which I ripped for him. Lots of good games for toddlers in Debian, he has not tried the internet yet and am glad. I also have a mac osx partition in this machine, he usually tells me that he don't like that and to turn "his computer" on instead.

    14. Re:Kids and computer by jayInIndiana · · Score: 1

      Do you have any tips on how you got your son interested in the computer? Is your son closer on the specturm to Asperger's than autism? My 4 year old son is on the spectrum too and I have been trying to get him intersted in the PC, with varying success. My two year old, who is Neurotypical, loves TuxPaint (with a touchscreen). The 4 year old is getting interested, but he doesn't seem like he's doing it purposefully, but rather as a perseveration (he tries to control the TV too by touching the screen). His primary deficit is in expressive communication, so I have been thinking about getting something like VoiceBuddy (http://edimensional.com/index.php?cPath=23), so he has to speak to play games. However, until he takes more of an interest in the PC, in general, I think it would be a waste of money. Please PM me, as I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

    15. Re:Kids and computer by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      maybe if he wasn't in front of a computer since he was three he wouldn't be autistic?


      My son was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder at 2 years old (the earliest age that children can be diagnosed accurately) so no, being at a computer had nothing to do with it.

      But congratulations on being a complete asshat about it. Perhaps you'd like to mock my 7 year old Daughter who was ALSO diagnosed with Autism? What the hell, might as well throw in a few autistic jokes while you are at it. I mean, if you are going to be a complete asshole fuckwit jerk, ya might as well go whole-hog!

      Idiot.

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    16. Re:Kids and computer by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, my daughter just turned three, and it's already difficult to get her off the computer once she starts. She's normally on the Disney website, but lately she's also been on Wikipedia a great deal. Usually you'll find her browsing articles on Dora the Explorer and Spongebob Squarepants, though we recently caught her making edits to Nickelodeon after noticing that some shows the latter hasn't shown in years were still listed as regulars, and also reverting a vandal who changed Nickelodeon's owner from "Viacom" to "Halliburton".

      We were somewhat surprised too to find her on Mozilla's Bugzilla, reporting a problem with Firefox frequently hanging if the Flash 9 plug-in is used under Ubuntu GNU/Linux. This was somewhat embarrassing as it turned out the bug had already been reported, and Isabella hadn't made even the slightest attempt to search for similar bug entries before submitting her's.

      It's somewhat difficult to drag her away the computer, especially if she's on one of the game sites. She's another Soduku addict, and if she's not playing that or browsing Wikipedia, the chances are she's playing a multiplayer Unreal Tournament 2004 Deathmatch. My wife is somewhat concerned about that, given its violent content, but to me it's all more or less cartoon violence so I'm not sure I'm that bothered. I'm more bothered by how difficult it is to drag her from the computer.

      *sigh* Kids.

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    17. Re:Kids and computer by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Do you have any tips on how you got your son interested in the computer?


      I wish I did. As another commenter noted, very often it is the child themselves that will determine how much they are interested. For example, my daughter, who is also Autistic, has little interest in the computer, other than as a source of passive entertainment. IE: She likes to watch my son use it, and to listen to children's music from some of the sites. But she doesn't want to or doesn't understand how to use it on her own. I have tried to sit down with her and show her, but she has no patience for it.

      My son, on the other hand, gets upset if you try to show him something. He wants to do it himself, and will work at it until he is comlpetely stuck, and THEN ask for help. It's very interesting to see the differences between the two of them.

      The best advice I can give you is to simply sit down with your child in front of the computer. Start with some "passive" things, like online videos, and the "click through" stories that sites like playhousedisney.com, sesamestreet.com, Noggin.com, and bigideafun.com have available, and slowly work your way to having your child control some of the clicking. Just basically get them interested, show them how it works via example, and slowly give them control.

      Good luck!
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    18. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when nerds didn't used to have kids

    19. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your childrens other parent your sister

    20. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same experience with my 6 year old starting at age 2.5 - 3 with Thomas the Tank engine computer games.

      He was building lego worlds at age 4 with the lego programs as well as using various educational softwares. He's no genius, he just has a computer to play with.

      Kids can only be as smart and computer savvy as you let them be. Their mind is like your bicep. The only way it gets stronger is by working out.

      Most kids get smarter because of their parents giving them what they need. A genius will get smart in spite of his parents. Most kids aren't geniuses so you need to give them the tools they need.

      -AC

    21. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A comment like this just shows your ignorance.

    22. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    23. Re:Kids and computer by planetralph · · Score: 1

      Attach a raised button to the left mouse button so your 3 year old can find it easily. The little "jewels" with adhesive backs work pretty well. Most educational software only uses the left mouse button and something they can feel makes it much easier to find. Ralph

    24. Re:Kids and computer by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 1

      I'm going to jump in here to avoid the OP from having to deal with you.

      You are an idiot, and if you are truly under the impression that two children with autism must always == inbreeding, you are an even bigger idiot. Allow me to explain for the slow (the ones that don't have an excuse - that's you, Mr. AC).

      There are four people. Parent a, Parent b, Child x, the autistic first child of parents a and b, and Child y, the as-yet unborn child of parents a and b.

      We will accept for the purposes of this example that parent a carries whichever gene causes autism (it's not known which precise gene - or genes - produce this effect) and parent b does not, regardless of whether the parents are in any way related. The chances of child y having autism are *exactly the same* as the chances were of child x having the condition. The idea that, without 'inbreeding', the chances of two children with autism are very small is an example of the Gambler's fallacy.

      It's two paragraphs later now, and you're still an idiot, but now you might be a slightly lesser one.

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    25. Re:Kids and computer by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's really not as bad as it sounds. The kid always tries to snipe, but he sucks at hiding so he usually gets pwnd pretty early. I've tried to teach him the finer points of camouflage, but the little bastard just keeps yelling about "fucking campers" and complaining that he keeps getting killed because his ping time sucks and he just won't listen. 3 year olds can be so stubborn sometimes.

    26. Re:Kids and computer by guruevi · · Score: 1

      not "normal" in any sense of the word

      As a fellow autistic person, I take offense that you label your own son under that. Autistic persons are quite normal, they just have certain capabilities further developed while other capabilities have been lagging behind or not at all. The problem that he has getting into first grade is most likely that he simply does not get the idea why he should follow along or he is too bored to put any effort into it. There are schools and lesson plans these days that are made for such persons, back in my day there weren't so I think even now they must be experimental. I remember myself also getting bored in classes, simply not wanting to go to school because I would get yelled at because I couldn't repeat what the teacher has been saying and getting teased for being 'abnormal'. But at tests (which I understand were quite important for my parents and teachers) I performed very well, finishing all tests before anybody else and scoring 100% (my averages were 98% from 1st through 6th grade).

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    27. Re:Kids and computer by pclminion · · Score: 1

      I've seen a 2 year old girl navigate through multiple levels of pages on a free game site, download, then run an installer, click through the installation, click "I Agree" on the EULA, and run the game.

      Kids are inherently more intelligent than we are. Something happens to them that makes them stupid. I still haven't figured out what it is. It probably has to do with parents and public school.

    28. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. some autistic kids have special abilities in certain areas even though they struggle in others. i think we've found out where your kid excels.
      2. the olpc is new with different objectives than a regular pc. it is worthy of a review.

      i recommend trying a hormonally balanced diet with your child. he needs every advantage he can get given his condition. our son has shown dramatically improved mood control since eating a hormonally balanced diet.

      see drsears.com or zoneliving.com for more details.

      successful zoners include manuel uribe (1230 lbs to 780 lbs and still dropping, hunger and depression gone) and dara torres (set 50 m free american record at the ripe old age of 40 - 2nd fastest time in the world this year).

      me - i've lost ~25 lbs of fat and gain ~5 lbs of muscle in the last 6.5 months. i sleep less, i feel much better and my lifelong allergy problem has disappeared into thin air.

      i'm closer to six pack abs in my 40s than i ever was in my teens. i'm 5'-10.5" and 157.5 lbs. i have about 5-10 more lbs to lose before the six pack is ripped. by this time next year i expect to be in the mid 160s with 12-15 lbs of muscle gain. my recovery time is significantly less allowing for more intense workouts.

      oh, and i feel much better than i ever have in my life. better cardio capability, more energy, better moods and sense of well being.

      the diet is the ultimate moderate diet - there is nothing extreme about it.

    29. Re:Kids and computer by Brikus · · Score: 1

      Is this for real? I don't know of many 2 year olds that can read and write, much less install a Linux Distro...

    30. Re:Kids and computer by weicco · · Score: 1

      Yep. I didn't RTFA because it looked boring. The point is that if even 3 year old can use computer and finds it entertaining what's so special in TFA other than it is published at BBC. Heck, when I was 9 I had already written my first game and drawing applications (with C64 or C128 BASIC, can't remember anymore).

      And no, I didn't teach everything to him. He watched me and learned himself. I just helped with the hard stuff like telling which key to press in order to make the person move in a game.

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    31. Re:Kids and computer by Draek · · Score: 1

      why? when I was 3 I happily played Wolfenstein 3D, and I didn't turn out to be some nazi-hating psychopath or something. As long as his parents don't let him spend all the time in front of the PC, I simply don't see why playing CS:S would be such a problem, so mind explaining your comment?

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    32. Re:Kids and computer by bannerman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding me? The poor innocent kid will be warped. Everyone knows Source is just a perversion of the true Counter Strike.

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    33. Re:Kids and computer by Xtense · · Score: 1

      You see, there is a certain difference between some happy shooting off colourful EGA pixels in 320x200 and a pretty detailed first person shooter. Yes, I can hear you cringing to this statement, but consider this: back in The Days of Yore, we had really low-res graphics (if we had them at all), which even with the brightest imagination couldn't be overturned into a bloody mess of pulsing organs and blood spewing. As kids, we saw this and thought somewhere along the lines of: "Oh, a game, cool". That, and, well, you've had parents who apparently knew how to raise a kid properly. Now imagine the same situation with newer games - they don't even have to be THAT new, for example, i dunno, Soldier of Fortune. We've got internal organs going out with a cut of a knife. No happy-pixelly fun, just pure brutality. Is this REALLY what you'd like your kid to see? As a parent, you have a duty to raise your offspring to an ethical code. The kid doesn't have to be made from a mould, like the government would like to have them, but just needs to follow simple rules like "Don't kill", "Don't hurt", and such. If you would like to permit your youngling to play such violent games, go ahead, but please make sure he understands what's going on, that he knows this is a game, not reality, that he should not ever even consider repeating such acts in real-life - and this gets increasingly hard with each new generation of computer graphics.

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    34. Re:Kids and computer by repetty · · Score: 1

      My grandson learned to use a computer at a young age, too.

      Back when he was just _SIX_MONTHS_OLD_, I'd pick him up and lay him on the keyboard, then I'd roll him side to side.

      He typed gibberish, of course, but I thought he did well for six month old kid.

    35. Re:Kids and computer by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      He could not really read at the time, But Ubuntu is so easy that he only needed to recognize "Next", "OK", "Cancel" and "Exit". It really is as much a testament to the simplicity of Linux as it is to his intellect. Although, he did start reading a couple of months before he turned three (Last March), and is just about ready for chapter books. Probably another 3 to 6 months and he will be there.

      He is a bright one though. Last night he built his first circuit without help. It was only a battery, switch, and lightbulb, but if I may act like a 'dad' for a moment, I do think that is pretty cool!

    36. Re:Kids and computer by RageOfReason · · Score: 1

      Big deal; my three year old son smears his pooh on my monitor. I have high hopes for him as an artist.

    37. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mom likes telling a story about barely being able to sneak me onto a plane as a 1 year old (a week before I was 2) because I was speaking in fluent english. While I'm pretty tired of the story myself, what I do like about it is what I said "My daddy has a computer like that at the office, is that a Mac II?" I was always very computer oriented, by the time Doom came out I was 7 of 8 and was quite knowledgeable at DOS (as in, my dad worked with it all day and another story goes about me helping him with it sometimes).

      Some of us are born with an incredible intuition for these machines, and while I am a genius - I don't think that's the full answer at all. I believe humanity is taking the first steps toward transcending humanity, toward transhumanism, and these machines - originally as extension of our own capabilities - are the first step in that. Be it a math program allowing non-mathematicians to deal in high level mathematic equations, wikipedia acting as the frontal lobe of next-generation humans, where one person who knows about the 19th century impressionism to inform all internet-connected people with their insight and memory, or video games expanding imagination, dreams, and art into a previously impossible, real-time medium rather than simply a static portrait of a thought (painting), or person (sculpture), or dream (story/plot-line).

      Many of the kids of today, like me, are intuitively involved in computers - and as computers become more complex, and more capable of emulating the understanding of our best and brightest minds - we make those thoughts that were only capably controlled by our top mathematicians or artists easily accessible to everyone who can plug in the required variables of the algorithm, or redefine and affirm their morality by driving over pedestrians in GTA.

      (I realize I'm going to catch flak for that last comment, understand that games allow us to enter a scenario without actually committing a crime, we can go "What would it be like to kill someone, to just start driving on the curb?" and GTA can answer us "It would be like this." (car starts jerking with each body going over/under the windshield, cop alert goes up, innexorably you die, to cops, or the secret service, or the army). We then conclude, that the moment you decide to drive on pedestrian covered curbs in place of the normal roads, you are doomed to be arrested or die). Perhaps it sounds grim that so many people consider these moral questions, but it's also the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain an idea without actually accepting it (roughly quoted from Aristotle). Not to be attempt to claim much knowledge of psychology, but I would guess the underlying motivation comes from men - who are hardwired for hunting and war - living in a society that largely denies both, while we learn to tame these thoughts, all testosterone driven men are predisposed to some level of violent thought. This alone I find to be easy to accept, and if accepted it would explain why young men (who have the testosterone but not the experience with it to control it) are by far the largest demographic of violent video games. They allow young males to question these taboo thoughts without reprocussion, but also ultimately affirm that the consequences are negative and such acts are short-lived. For example, the average lifespan of the "expertly" trained counter-strike source avatars is somewhere in the range of 15 seconds to 2 minutes - most males cannot claim that level of skill, and even those who can would aspire to more from their life (since we don't respawn back home afterwards IRL). Or for example, when a game does show an individual who survives against incredible odds for a long or even indefinite amount of time there is a super-natural explanation. For example, the Master Chief in Halo is some sort of genetically modified, super-armored, SPARTAN (training program) god. Other examples include the main avatar in Baldur's Gate II (you), turns out to be literally the spawn of a god, and this pattern goes on all day -

    38. Re:Kids and computer by syousef · · Score: 1

      Actually I think it is pretty good parenting?

      Did your parents try to shield you from mock violence when you played as a kid? "Sorry little Xtense, but if you play cowboys and indians or cops and robbers you might grow up to become a mass murder". Gimme a break. Political correctness gone insane.

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    39. Re:Kids and computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, are you an asshole.

    40. Re:Kids and computer by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

      His kid is playing the wrong game. The real way to turn a 3 y/o into a macho is to play Battlefield until his eyes hurt. That will teach him not to be a sissy! Sincerely, Reiser

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    41. Re:Kids and computer by iancumihai · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Sorry about your situation, really it awful. But you are a more a asshole then d3ac0n judging by the way you talk. Than means: if d3acon is a small asshole (not tight :) ) you bigger (not goatse)

    42. Re:Kids and computer by hadaso · · Score: 1

      When my younger son was 3 years old he started using Google Images. He used it to fund images to paste into his MS Paint creations. I didn't create any special tools for him but he did use a piece of hardware called "older brother" an I/O device... Soon he decided that he needs to learn English since he gets much more results in English than his native language (Hebrew). When he was 4 and we went for a long trip abroad he got Google-sick and painted lots of pictures of coloful G O O G L E.

      When he was about 5 years old he learned how to use Art of Illusion to make 3D scenes and GameMaker to create games. I did not have to do much more than put the software on the kids' PCs. Of course the little one had the benefit of an older brother that can solve problems, but basically both of them learn by trial and error, and the older brother sometimes learns from the younger one who is really good at discovering things. Don't forget that young kids naturally learn languages with no help. They learn how to use software much like they learn a language.

      Last week his PC sort of died. So he just went to the old PC on my desk that's currntly running Damn Small Linux, looked around, found xpaint, and used it. I'm not amazed that kids do it. It's what I expect them to do. They learn by exploring. You to provide the software that would interest them, and they would find out how to use it.

    43. Re:Kids and computer by JSlope · · Score: 1

      My son is not 3 yet, some time ago I've let him play with GCompris, I've just let him use mouse learning programs, after some time he started investigating everything by himself and learned himself, without my help to navigate to other different games in GCompris and even learned to play some games.

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  21. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Ok, that makes sense! Thanks for clearing that up

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  22. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by MindPrison · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How does you wandering around with your DS have any bearing at all on how a totally different system with totally different software and totally different requirements works?

    Yes, I realize that they have entirely different software, but as with ALL new things - its rarely so straightforward as that example. Heck...even with a WiFi enabled PDA its pretty difficult to get anywhere - let alone CHAT with someone - be it Jabber or anything else, you have to be in the right spot, all connections running perfectly and to get in properly. Its just painted so "rosy" that it seems more like a staged scenario rather than real life.

    Believe me - I wish it success - but nothing like that happens the same day its released, give it a year or two - so many MANY people all over the world actually HAVE one - then we will talk.

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  23. Another Kid's Review by richg74 · · Score: 5, Informative

    On his blog, Freedom to Tinker , Prof. Ed Felten at Princeton has two more reviews of early versions of the XO laptop, the B2 and the B4, both (very well) written by a 12-year-old neighbor.

  24. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    "Heck...even with a WiFi enabled PDA its pretty difficult to get anywhere - let alone CHAT with someone - be it Jabber or anything else, you have to be in the right spot, all connections running perfectly and to get in properly. Its just painted so "rosy" that it seems more like a staged scenario rather than real life."

    Hmm.

    Install zsIRC
    Type /server
    You're chatting

    How hard is that on a WiFi-enabled PDA?

    Even easier on this XO laptop - software is preinstalled and there is a preset chat server.

    The problem with the DS (at least in terms of your complaints) is that chat is (as far as I can tell) local-only, or with people with whom you have already exchanged friend codes. The DS design in terms of multi-person communication is VERY paranoid in this regard - chatting with random people isn't what it was designed to do, and for all practical purposes it's not even capable of doing such a thing.

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  25. It all makes sense now by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    No wonder Microsoft tried to bribe it out of Nigeria.

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  26. How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet? by PaulGaskin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    John Negroponte ("Director of National Intelligence", "Ambassador" to Iraq), older brother to Nicholas Negroponte probably doesn't let any of Nicholas' educational toys get sent to Iraq because they'll be handy to the resistance fighters. It must have been *torture* to have John Negroponte for an older brother. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

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  27. The miracle machine by klubar · · Score: 3, Funny

    The OLPC is just an amazing machine, not only is it able to connect with any Wi-Fi network (no matter how far away or how secured), instantly make your child a programming virtuoso, make them a math whiz it can also make them instantly fluent in any language. Merely possessing the machine enables them to read and speak the language of the person they're chatting with. Not even Apple is so insanely cool.

    1. Re:The miracle machine by spockbert · · Score: 1
      Flamebait? Really? Come on people. I kind of wish I hadn't used up the mod points I had this morning now. Maybe it was the lack of sarcasm tags that confused some people. Or maybe I'm missing something, but I think you were just making a humorous statement pointing out how a lot of people think the OLPC is God's gift to computing and will solve all of the world's problems within the next generation. It's a cool idea, and seems to be working pretty well, but a lot of people may be looking at this one through rose-colored glasses.

      Of course, if you really were just being an ass, then flame on my good man.

    2. Re:The miracle machine by klubar · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I forgot the funny tag.

  28. children are overrated by misanthrope101 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    or at least their curiosity is. I have a Macbook and a Ubuntu desktop, and my kids (14, 16) have zero curiosity about either. There is nothing about kids that makes them magically curious about computer gear, programming, or whatever. Yes, they'll play DDR or Prince of Persia on the PS2, and they can write homework assignments with Abiword or OpenOffice, but "file>save as MS Word doc" is about as complex as their usage gets. I'm always bemused by the optimism that kids are going to be hacking perl scripts if they're given the opportunity. Kids are individuals, and those who are curious about computers are just curious about computers. The rest are not.

    I even tried to entice my son by talking a bit about encryption, thinking he would make the connection of "aha! I can hide stuff from the old man!" but even that lure failed to get him to open the Missing Manual book. I keep hoping to find an encrypted container indicating that he's learned something, but alas he lacks my secretiveness. Kids today!

    1. Re:children are overrated by xant · · Score: 1

      I'm always bemused by the optimism that kids are going to be hacking perl scripts if they're given the opportunity. Kids are individuals, and those who are curious about computers are just curious about computers. The rest are not.


      For that latter fraction who are curious about computers, if they're not given the opportunity they won't hack perl scripts. This is about providing the opportunity to everyone, and hoping that a few rise to the challenge and start stimulating the society to grow.

      Societies are always driven by a few over-achievers, but those are more likely to succeed given opportunities. They'll never hack a Python script out if they're not given a Python interpreter.
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    2. Re:children are overrated by garcia · · Score: 1

      It could simply be that your child has alternative methods towards hiding things and while the encryption might be interesting in theory, he has a much stronger desire to keep it out of a realm you obviously understand well.

      Check for hidden compartments in his closet that's he discovered behind loose pieces of wooden molding that look perfectly normal like I used to hide condoms, cigarettes, porn and other contraband.

    3. Re:children are overrated by Mprx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your kids are too old. Once they hit puberty the natural curiosity focuses almost entirely on social status and the opposite sex. A 9 year old typically has far more general curiosity.

    4. Re:children are overrated by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      Of course not everybody will be grabbed by the opportunities tech can provide, but if at least some do, it's job done. Look at the home computing craze of the 80s - many youngsters were exposed to tech at an early age; nearly all of them used it to play games; a small proportion started dabbling in programming; it was only a small group of people but it laid the foundations for a skilled tech workforce with a keen interest in complex areas of IT. In fact it could be argued that the current contraction in the home-grown skills base (certainly in my country, the UK) is at least partly due to the shift away from computers to consoles at the turn of the 90s (as well as web design taking creative people away from the nuts and bolts of technology).

    5. Re:children are overrated by evanbd · · Score: 1

      and my kids (14, 16) have zero curiosity about either.

      Perhaps this is why OLPC intends to give laptops to younger children than yours.

    6. Re:children are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids naturally shun whatever their parents do? Like if you want them to join the football team instead of drama, before you know it, they'll be skipping around in tights.

    7. Re:children are overrated by slyn · · Score: 1

      Your looking in all the wrong places. He probably either just keeps his porn in a hidden file like the rest of us, or streams it all to avoid you finding it while he's not "using" it.

      No point doing extra work you don't have to. Smart kid.

    8. Re:children are overrated by slim · · Score: 1

      I'm always bemused by the optimism that kids are going to be hacking perl scripts if they're given the opportunity. Kids are individuals, and those who are curious about computers are just curious about computers. The rest are not.

      ... which would be a problem if OLPC was about raising a generation of Perl hackers. But it isn't.

      Some kids are curious about computers.
      Some kids are curious about nothing at all.
      Some kids are keen on art - OLPC gives them tools to create, share and discuss art.
      Some kids are keen on writing - OLPC gives them tools to create, share and discuss their writing.

      No matter what their enthusiasm, people in developed countries are using the Internet to further it. Gardening, engineering, art, farming, medicine, live action roleplaying... doesn't matter, being connected helps you develop.

      If 1% of the kids who get one of these blossom into something that benefits their society, because of it, that's a win.
    9. Re:children are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learnt BASIC and 6502 machine code by myself from copies of the Apple manuals when I was 8.

      I've gone downhill since though :).

    10. Re:children are overrated by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

      Well, if your kids didn't HAVE a PS2, or organized sports, or basically anything else to do other than kick around a wad of newspaper pretending it was a soccer ball, maybe hacking an OLPC would look more interesting by contrast, hmm? ;-)

    11. Re:children are overrated by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I agree the computing environment now is much more hostile towards beginning programmers than in the days of the 8 bit machines. Those machines booted in a BASIC interpreter, they often had manuals that described at least the basics of thier variant of BASIC.

      Nowadays people use game consoles and windows PCs. Neither comes with a usable programming environment in an obvious place. Also many kids have thier exposure to PCs limited by parents who are (justifiablly) worried about the kids breaking stuff.

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  29. Speaking of the OLPC... by CSMatt · · Score: 1

    Has anyone gotten their OLPC from the "Give One Get One" program in the mail yet? I have yet to receive mine.

    1. Re:Speaking of the OLPC... by unimatrixzer0 · · Score: 0

      That's because a 9 year old is "testing" yours. It's all a part of the Quality Assurance program that OLPC set up. Good way to lower overhead by having kids test the product. "Give one, Get one" == purchase one and one of our "QA Specialists" will get one as payment for their services, LOL.

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    2. Re:Speaking of the OLPC... by barbara_unsimplified · · Score: 1

      Nope, still waiting. Hope it gets here by Christmas!

    3. Re:Speaking of the OLPC... by Breakfast+Cereal · · Score: 1

      Still waiting. I ordered mine in the first week of the offer. I know they said they couldn't promise a pre-Christmas delivery but I'm really hoping for one anyhow, especially after fiddling with Sugar on the live CD.

    4. Re:Speaking of the OLPC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an e-mail from them saying the first day buyers machine's will be shipped after the 18th. Not much time to get here by christmas in my opinion.

  30. Por fin... they can get ahead the EU & US by emj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone says education is empowerment to the people, I think this is the first step to empower most people around the world. This is a step to help people/children easily communicate and play over large distances, talk and share ideas. You should take a million of these laptops and drop them on Lima, Peru, and see what happens. Imagine one million people using the computer to do new stuff, just producing new creative material, sharing, critizing.

    This is actually a tool that would allow these counties to get ahead of EU & US. Because this will empower children when they are most active at learning, at 9 years old you can learn alot, that will get us alot of creative people, writers, programmers and artist in a 4-9 years.

    The question is will these children need to learn english, or can they just create local economies, based on heir own language?

  31. Re:A child's view of the $100 laptop is good and a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article doesn't make it clear where the laptop came from, but it probably isn't one of the production laptops (i.e. one sent to Give-One-Get-One recipients or to children in participating countries). This is supported by (1) the picture in the original article which doesn't appear to have the stippled texture that was added to the production laptop case and (2) the fact that the laptop came configured to point at a Jabber server shared between schools (afaik, production laptops won't do this). So it is probably a pre-production model, maybe used in the Nigerian pilot study or for development/promotional purposes.

    The BBC has been covering the pilot study, so perhaps the reporter was already in Nigeria to cover the story and was given a souvenir from the phased-out machines?

  32. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't it be both?

  33. The Diamond Age by Number6.2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do I get the feeling that I'm living not just Science Fiction, but in "The Diamond Age: Or, a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" (Neal Stephenson)? True education is subversion, because true education will give you the tools to challenge the status quo.

    First George Orwell, now this. Where does it end?

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    1. Re:The Diamond Age by acvh · · Score: 1

      I agree, wholeheartedly. Those who write this off as a gimmick are missing the big picture. Once the kids start communicating and learning from each other they will be empowered in a way we can only begin to imagine.

      and I can't wait for mine to get here!

    2. Re:The Diamond Age by bvimo · · Score: 1

      I wish the internet was available when I was growing up, but instead I grew up isolated on a farm.

      Kids today are very fortunate.

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    3. Re:The Diamond Age by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      My hope is that we will be living "Mimsy were the Borogoves" from Lewis Padgett, older but great... childs learning in a so different way that can go beyond what we can today.

    4. Re:The Diamond Age by Number6.2 · · Score: 1

      Yet another fabulous story. Wasn't there a move out based on that, too?

      Damn, nothing stays around for long, does it?

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    5. Re:The Diamond Age by fm6 · · Score: 1

      True education is subversion, because true education will give you the tools to challenge the status quo.
      And that is why we never should have let the peasants learn to read!
  34. oh, I agree by misanthrope101 · · Score: 1
    which is why the house if full of books on dozens of subjects and magazines like Harper's and the Atlantic. But I think new parents are just a bit too optimistic, sadly so, that their kid will be different than those around him or her. Some kids are, but the thing about exceptional kids is that they are the exception. I'd love to discuss Godel Escher Bach with my son, but being an intellectual just isn't cool. I even have dark stuff around like Lavey or Baudelaire, but he wants garden-variety books on Wicca.

    Admittedly, this optimism extends a bit beyond intellectual pursuits. I know a lot of parents paying for basketball camp hoping that their kid is the next Kobe Bryant. I guess it can't be avoided.

    1. Re:oh, I agree by xant · · Score: 1

      I even have dark stuff around like Lavey or Baudelaire, but he wants garden-variety books on Wicca.


      Your son is reading? I think that qualifies you for parent of the year. :-) Seriously, there's nothing wrong with them taking the opportunity in their own direction, as long as they have it.
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    2. Re:oh, I agree by misanthrope101 · · Score: 1

      Oh, my kids both read. From the responses I got, it seemed that I was saying my kids were dumb as a bag of hammers and really should be euthanized. Nothing of the kind. They just aren't curious about computers. Part of my problem is that I'm curious about almost everything (but not smart enough to keep up), but they don't have that.

  35. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by AmaDaden · · Score: 1

    The DS chat works very well. The problem is that it's local. You can only chat with people in the same room as you. People who are so close you have no reason to talk to them. In addition they need to be sitting and waiting in the chat room for someone to talk to. Not a lot of fun so no one does it. The only time I have used it for any kind of real reason was to talk to my friends in class with out bugging the prof. But after about 2 minutes on it we all would just say fuck it and start a game of Mario kart. The only story of it's use that makes any real sense to me is at cons. Where you are looking to randomly start talking to people you don't know. And even then it's kind of dumb.

    I'm sure the OLPC chat is just a normal chat program. I'm sure it has a server somewhere and can work all across the world with just an internet connection, Just like AIM or gTalk. I'm willing to bet it can also do the local talk thing like the DS. Since it was designed with the idea of giant mesh networks in mind it should work way better.

  36. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The kid is connecting to a central chat server via his home WiFi, and chatting to other people who are connecting to the same server via whatever network is near them. All he had to do was switch on the machine, enter the wireless key, and view the people in his 'neighbourhood'. What part of that is painted as "rosy"?

    You can download an XO virtual machine and try this right now if you don't believe it: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/VMWare

  37. Review by loconet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to take away from the article but I would like to read a review from a kid who has not been exposed to technology/computers as much as Rufus. It would be interesting to read about their reaction to this technology and how it affects their daily lives. I grew up in Peru and was not exposed to technology to the degree that I am now, I know a laptop like that would have made a world of a difference to me.

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  38. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Install zsIRC, Type /server, You're chatting, How hard is that on a WiFi-enabled PDA?

    For you and I? Duh...

    But picture this: Laptop for KIDS... then picture this: 3rd world Kids!
    Many of these havent even ever seen a laptop.

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  39. I think I know your uncle! by CarpetShark · · Score: 1, Funny

    I returned from Nigeria with my late uncle's ashes and 30% of his $20,000,000 estate.


    Please tell me your uncle is Bill Gates.
    1. Re:I think I know your uncle! by encoderer · · Score: 2, Funny

      uhh.. ok.

      your uncle is bill gates.

    2. Re:I think I know your uncle! by encoderer · · Score: 1

      Wasting mod-points by marking a +5 funny (meaning no karma bonus) as "over-rated"...

      Now THAT is funny.

  40. My six year old by MoodyLoner · · Score: 1

    My six year old was playing with one of these at a science-fiction convention and we only got it away from her with some difficulty.

    If they became commercially available in the US I'd buy one - and yeah, I missed the "buy 2 get 1" promo.

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    1. Re:My six year old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its still going on. It was extended untill December 31st, 2007.

      http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

    2. Re:My six year old by zsouthboy · · Score: 1

      It's still available till Dec 31st: http://www.laptopgiving.org/

    3. Re:My six year old by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Has anyone mentioned that they extended the Give 1 Get 1 campaign until New Years Eve?

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  41. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by mpeg4codec · · Score: 1

    Actually if he's connected to a Jabber server and that server is connected to the internet, he can talk to anyone on any internet-connected Jabber server. Kind of remniscent of SMTP servers connecting to remote servers when necessary, although the mechanism is a bit different.

  42. Kids like computers, there's a shock. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    My son has been fascinated by computers almost since he was born. First he liked to play with the laser mouse, then he liked to tap on the keyboard, and now, at 2, he knows how to arrange the monitor, keyboard and mouse, and plug all in correctly, so that he can ask me to "watch choo choo train"... otherwise known as Thomas the Tank Engine videos on YouTube.

    He likes the notebook too, and when I'm surfing, he'll use the page up and page down keys to scroll back to a part that he liked on the page. We can spend hours together using google images to look at all the different kinds of animals, trains, things that move. He's fascinated by all of it and it stays with him.

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  43. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can't it be both?

    Probably not.

    if ((pants) & (!pants)){

    printf("This code will never run\n");

    }

  44. Re:A child's view of the $100 laptop is good and a by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    this guy took a laptop from Nigeria to bring to the UK? That seems to defeat the point (from how it's stated in the article, it doesn't seem that it was from the buy one/give one program)

    Not being in North America, the author is not eligible to participate in the Buy One, Get One program.

    And while I'm sure Nicholas Negroponte would prefer that OLPC hardware being re-exported from third-world to first-world countries be an exceptional scenario rather than a common one, it's not necessarily a bad thing. If he obtained the laptop with the full knowledge and blessing of the program administrators -- rather than stealing it, or buying it off some kid for US$10 -- I see nothing wrong with it.

  45. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by simong · · Score: 1

    I guess we know who got the cool in that family.

    Actually, that might not be true... good ol' Nick isn't really cool, just not evil.

  46. Potential Downsides: by thegnu · · Score: 1

    There are obvious potential downsides, but to me that's what the project should be about.

    Think of the worldwide catastrophe it would be for a shipment of these to fall into terrorist hands:
    a) connect to other terrorists worldwide, creating an easy-to-use terrorist network
    b) learn to hack by pressing "view source" button
    c) a nearly indestructible ad-hoc network that world governments would be unable to take down

    Clearly, the OLPC is a threat to freedom and the American spirit everywhere.
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  47. Little eyes... by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

    Kids are amazing. I don't think I ever really thought about it much until my daughter came along, but those sayings "little eyes make big pictures" and "monkey see, monkey do" are really true

    She's 18 months and will pick up a Wii remote, point it at the TV, and wave it around like she's seen daddy do. On top of that, she's seen me use my iPhone enough that she knows that to turn it on you push the button and then slide the on-screen slider. She even knows that you touch the clock icon to see the "tic tic"--though it's hard for her to touch just the one portion of the screen, since she's usually holding it in a way that her thumb or another finger is on it too.

    It reminds me to model the type of behavior I want her to have when she mimics even simple things like this.

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    1. Re:Little eyes... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Careful, remember to model the exact opposite of the behaviour you want her to have when she get to about 14.

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  48. Not to be insensitive, but.. by wattrlz · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who cares what this multinational brat's view of the OLPC is? I want to see my view of the OLPC. Hurry and ship me my give-one-get-one already!

    1. Re:Not to be insensitive, but.. by wattrlz · · Score: 1

      That was actually kinda tongue-in-cheek. Just so everyone knows I'm not that much of a jerk.

  49. Good Timing? by jhRisk · · Score: 1

    With respect to this being adopted so well by his son, I'm wondering if it's just a matter timing. That is, computers are truly ubiquitous now and other elements in place making it more likely for children to take them in. As I ponder this I can't help but flash back to a small child I saw recently playing with a squishy, noise-making Fisher-Price-like toy. The catch was that it was a toy cell phone and he was actually using it like I'm sure he learned from parents and everyone around him. He could identify with it enough and compartmentalize is such that it was engaging. If it were the 1980s or even most of the 90s I don't think he would have cared at all.

    Even an underprivileged child will likely know the concept of computers today since they are ubiquitous. Even if they don't they're certainly going to still be engaged due to the rarity of having something new and the wonderous abilities it affords them compared with what little they've had. Give them such a laptop in the 90s and it would have similar success, I think. However, do the same for the spoiled rich son of a Texas oil tychoon in the 90s and I doubt he'd give it a second look. That is, unless he already inherently has an affinity for computers but I'm talking mass kid appeal.

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  50. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    South Africa, The Iraq, and the Asian countries still need a lot of help from our education over here before they're ready to get XOs and build up our future.

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  51. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by fbjon · · Score: 1

    That's the point: it's a laptop for 3rd world kids, hence it has been made easy.

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  52. No surprises by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No surprises in the article - in fact it sounds like a typical experience of a small child given any computer and allowed to just play with it. (Especially a child, like Rufus, who already has some experience around computers.) Jim Lileks has reported much the same thing with his daughter and the Mac she was given. I've heard similiar reports from friends who've let a child loose on a machine prepared for them.

    So far as the length of his fascination - let's hear back in another week or two, or another month, or next year. From late November to now is a matter of three weeks, tops. Even for a nine year old this isn't particularly long.

    1. Re:No surprises by sumdumgai · · Score: 1

      You and most of the responders are missing the point. This thing only costs $200. Did your Mac cost more than that? Likely. This price point opens opportunities for children who would not normally have the opportunity to be exposed to the major communications platform of our world. All the technology in the world is useless if people can't afford it.

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    2. Re:No surprises by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      No surprises in the article - in fact it sounds like a typical experience of a small child given any computer and allowed to just play with it.

      I disagree... slightly. On an average computer they would probably not be playing with the educational software or talking to kids in a third word country. For the most part, however, I think the OLPC in the hands of this child is wasted. The point is getting this to a kid who otherwise would have little or no access to a computer, textbooks, the internet, or telecommunications. The secondary point, is these things are designed to work together and with a central server to facilitate group learning. Without a curriculum and other students collaborating via these machines, they lose a lot of their usefulness.

    3. Re:No surprises by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      On an average computer they would probably not be playing with the educational software or talking to kids in a third word country.

      Why wouldn't they? As I indicated, and you snipped, such things have been reported before.
       
       

      For the most part, however, I think the OLPC in the hands of this child is wasted.

      Ah, yes. Using educational software and communicating is wasted. (Unless you are a poor child - in which case you get your greatest benefit from using the machine not to learn and explore, but only in the Manner Approved by Higher Authority.)
  53. You didn't miss it by Trebuchet · · Score: 5, Informative

    The program was extended to Dec 31, according to the web site.

    http://www.laptopgiving.org/

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    1. Re:You didn't miss it by MoodyLoner · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did.

      I won't have money for it, barring an unusually large Christmas bonus, until March.

      Thanks anyway.

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    2. Re:You didn't miss it by Breakfast+Cereal · · Score: 1

      Get the new LiveCD instead! This is from a current effort to bring the Sugar interface to repurposed hardware, so it seems to work a bit better than the previous ones I've tried.

    3. Re:You didn't miss it by ignavus · · Score: 1

      "The program was extended to Dec 31, according to the web site."

      On the other hand, it has never been available where I live, according to the same website. The Terms and Conditions say the program is limited to "the fifty United States, Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the District of Columbia and Canada".

      Well, that leaves out Europe, Australia and New Zealand, Japan ... so only about half the Developed World gets to participate.

      I did miss it. Completely.

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    4. Re:You didn't miss it by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I expect once theese actually ship (afaict they haven't yet) then they will start to turn up on the likes of ebay pretty quickly.

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    5. Re:You didn't miss it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it just me, or is the font terribly small to the point of not being readable?

  54. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Oh I dunno, Nicholas seems like a nice chap too. Bit geopolitcally naive perhaps, but essentially well meaning. Soft power has its uses too I suppose.

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  55. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by default+luser · · Score: 4, Funny

    South Africa, The Iraq, and the Asian countries still need a lot of help from our education over here before they're ready to get XOs and build up our future.

    Actually, I think they just need more maps.

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  56. promo by itof500 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe the G1G1 promo for the OLPC was continued until 12/31. You can still get one.

    duke out

  57. Re:Por fin... they can get ahead the EU & US by feepness · · Score: 2, Funny

    You should take a million of these laptops and drop them on Lima, Peru, and see what happens. You would have millions of little laptop pieces scattered all over the place.
  58. Let them eat laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let them eat laptops.

  59. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by fluffman86 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you've been visiting my home state.

    Good ol' South Cackalacky...mmmhmm...

  60. A 5 year old in 1st grade?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even speaking as someone with Asperger's, I started school at exactly the same time as everyone else, which meant 1st grade occured sometime around "6 going on 7" (so 12th grade coincided with turning 18 at some point)

    That struggling to perform is not the Autism, that's skipping two years of pre-grade learning!

  61. Geek Highlights for OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want one for the child geek in me: (Plans abound already)

    Flexible DC power: 11 to 18 V input usable, -32 to 40V input tolerated
    'Geek Key' on keyboard to show source code of activity you are running.
    WiFi card can run mesh network even when CPU powered down.
    Screen can continue to display even when CPU powered down.
    Screen can run in BW mode, disable back light and be visible in sunlight.
    Built in camera can disable level and automatic gain and be used for measurement.
    Built in audio card can be placed in mode exposing A/D converter for measuring some voltages.

    Full details at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Hardware_specification

    1. Re:Geek Highlights for OLPC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ordered one via give 1 get 1 for my 8 year old. He'll never get his hands on it.

  62. rufus? by f1055man · · Score: 0, Troll

    He named his kid Rufus? WTF is a matter with people these days? Someone call child services.

  63. Re:radio controlled dinosaur, game consoles (plura by mbullock · · Score: 1

    The article states: The One Laptop Per Child project is struggling to convince developing countries providing computers for children is as important as giving them basic facilities like water or electricity. A laptop is _as_ important as clean water? Interesting take on Maslow's hierarchy.

  64. Waiting period by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not just that, but how the heck do they manage this with an entirely open source project? The laptop is Tivoized. The GNU GPL requires Installation Information for software shipped as part of a consumer product, but it doesn't appear to rule out the possibility of a two-week waiting period to make sure that the laptop is not reported stolen.
  65. Re:With a name like Rufus... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 0, Troll

    With a name like Anonymous Coward, you definitely have a tiny penis. Am I right?

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  66. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    He spent most of his childhood getting waterboarded in the toilet and undergoing intensive interrogation via atomic wedgies.

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  67. Re:Por fin... they can get ahead the EU & US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because this will empower children when they are most active at learning, at 9 years old you can learn alot, that will get us alot of creative people, writers, programmers and artist in a 4-9 years.
    And at a tenth the price of an EU or US worker!
  68. For one in a hundred kids, this is magic by timrichardson · · Score: 1

    Firstly to Slashdot editors, thanks for posting this article.

    I went to a poor rural high school a long time ago. When I was 12, a teacher somehow got an Apple II. It stayed in the staff room. Magically, the same teacher who bought the computer put the manuals in the school library. I discovered the Apple manuals one day, and I started reading about programming. A few weeks later, I was given access to the machine and off I went; that started me on a path that took me to my country's best university and then all over the world. That was just because I found a book on programming. Imagine how much more wonderful it will be when someone like me, in Nigeria or Uruguay, can use a real computer right away. They may be only one in a hundred kids like this, but it's one in every hundred kids, not just one in a hundred western kids, and now more of them will get connected to computers they can actually start programming on. This is amazingly great project.

  69. Here we go again by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As they themselves say, and as I have repeated ad nauseum here myself, the OLPC is justified on a pure financial basis. It replaces print textbooks with digital textbooks. The print textbooks are usually hand me downs from foreign countries in foreign languages, out of date, expensive to acquire and distribute on a per-copy basis. The digital textbooks have only the upfront cost, either in translation or original material, no distribution cost or delay, up to date, and the OLPC can carry all of them on the long walk to school and back without any extra weight or bulk penalty.

    The acquisition and distribution costs alone pay for the OLPC. The other benefits are pure gravy.

    It is also pathetically patronizing to tell these people to stop growing their own food and rely on handouts from foreigners for such basic necessities. "We're foreigners and we're here to help because you are too dumb to grow your own food" just doesn't cut it. Far better to grow their own food and rely on OLPC handouts that they *can't* make themselves; at least that is the beginning of a way up the ladder to a better life. Begging for food isn't.

    1. Re:Here we go again by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know a chemistry professor at the school where I teach who's an Ethiopian immigrant, and he used to organize textbook donation drives every few years. People would give him books, and he would send them to Ethiopia. He eventually stopped doing it, however, because it was too difficult to get the books to the students due to political corruption. Assuming the OLPC machines really do get to the kids (rather than being sold to enrich politically connected adults) in places like Nigeria, a big advantage would be that it would give the kids direct access to books that can't easily be interfered with.

      OTOH, I maintain a catalog of free books (see my sig), and AFAIK there is essentially nothing out there as far as free elementary school books, and almost nothing for high school either. I do know of a South African project to produce a high school physics text (http://www.fhsst.org/), for example, but the project seems to have been moving along extremely slowly. Something like Wikibooks would seem like a natural vehicle for creating such books (ease of use + ease of translation), but Wikibooks has turned out to be a failure at its original goal of producing university-level textbooks (much better at producing gaming guides). In general, I don't think group authoring has been at all successful as a model for creating free textbooks. Authoring by an individual teacher scratching his/her own itch has been much more successful, but virtually all of that activity has been (a) in English, (b) in rich, industrialized countries, and (c) at the university level.

    2. Re:Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > rely on OLPC handouts that they *can't* make themselves ...

      yet.

      When those children leave school, or perhaps before, they will start up their own technology industry.

      This is why Microsoft and Intel are fighting so hard to kill off XO or put Windows on it. If it was Windows then those children would be trained to be Microsoft consumers, just as the american public have been, with XO they are being trained to be Microsoft competitors.

      (hmm, I get to type in Google check word 'cynical')

    3. Re:Here we go again by pbhj · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>> Assuming the OLPC machines really do get to the kids (rather than being sold to enrich politically connected adults) in places like Nigeria, a big advantage would be that it would give the kids direct access to books that can't easily be interfered with.

      Well, it seems that the OLPC machines aren't going to enrich (*) politically connected Nigerian adults but instead they're going to be week-long playthings for "western" journalists instead.

      I don't recall reading in the article the guys justification for buying a machine that was intended to educate a Nigerian child?

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    4. Re:Here we go again by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Are you sending your X0 (1 for me, 1 for you) to Nigeria? Hmmm? No doubt it sold for more than the original price. Thus, he impowered the seller to buy more. Damn it! sell them to Australia!

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    5. Re:Here we go again by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      In general, I don't think group authoring has been at all successful as a model for creating free textbooks. I think access is a big part of that. People who have access to computers are likely to already have access to better resources, or even already have the education contained in those resources.

      When we start giving these laptops to (groups of) people who don't have alternative sources of reference, and who don't already have this knowledge (i.e. children in poorer countries), I think they'll be more likely to document it to help each other learn than those of us who can simply go to the library or the extensive online resources (free and corporate) available in our own language.

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    6. Re:Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a curiosity: Tolstoy made a childrens textbook which he donated to public domain and I can't seem to find it online.

    7. Re:Here we go again by pbhj · · Score: 1

      If he bought it on the high-street in his home town for local prices, I concede.

      If he bought it from the back of a fridge-shop in Lagos then I'm sooo right. That extra money ain't going to pay for more OLPC's.

      The article: "In late November I returned from Nigeria with a sample of the XO laptop."

      Sure doesn't sound like a buy-one send-one deal to me.

  70. Playing CS at 3? That could be unfortunate. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    My 3 year old son knows how to... run Counter Strike Source, create a server and join the team he wants (usually CTs).


    Jesus H Christ on a stick! Imagine gettin pwn3d by a 3 year old. At least he'd have and excuse for bad spelling when saying "hahahahah i haev pwnd joo!!~111one".

    Now I'm never going to play online again, just to save on the embarressment.
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  71. Done and thanks by MoodyLoner · · Score: 1

    we have an old desktop I can get working, too.

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  72. Re:A child's view of the $100 laptop is good and a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not being in North America, the author is not eligible to participate in the Buy One, Get One program.
    This is no longer true. Per the faq:

    If I live outside of the US or Canada, may I participate in Give One Get One?

    Yes, but only if you provide a shipping address within the US or Canada. To participate, please call 1-949-608-2865. International calling charges will apply.
  73. I am waiting for mine! by xtracto · · Score: 1

    Yup, I am going to get one of those that Mr. Slim will be distributing in Mexico. I am sure they will end in one of several Mexico's grey (or black...) markets like Tepito.

    Why don't I buy one for $400, well firstly I am in the UK, secondly I am not a rich American or European guy, I am instead, a poor Mexican student who is surviving with a scholarship.

    But those OLPC computers are really cool.

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  74. more olpc crap by KrazeeEyezKilla · · Score: 1

    Wow. Overpriveledged british kid gets a laptop toy and enjoys it. Why dont they give interesting information about how useful it is for kids in africa that have never used technology that can't read?

    1. Re:more olpc crap by hjo3 · · Score: 1

      Why dont they give interesting information about how useful it is for kids in africa that have never used technology that can't read? Wait... all African technology can read?
  75. He didn't throw it away after a day or two! by ZombieRoboNinja · · Score: 1

    He's enjoyed it for a whole COUPLE WEEKS!

  76. Re:radio controlled dinosaur, game consoles (plura by vidarh · · Score: 1

    I know RTFA is a dirty word, but even from the summary you ought to have guessed that this is a British journalist bringing back an XO to the UK (clue: he writes for the BBC, and he "brough back" the XO, so he's obviously not stationed in Nigeria). And despite the fact that British food makes many people here want to starve ourselves, the UK isn't exactly a third world country.

  77. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The OLPC chat also links the applications so that multiple children can view the same game, paint etc. Conceivably you could create a cluster computer with these things very easily. Of a cluster of children working on the same problem. Like the old stadium of "computers" (people doing ballistics prediction math).

  78. Re:How about the kids in Iraq? Any OLPCs there yet by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

    How I wish I had modpoints for that. :P

  79. This project is going to change things by bl8n8r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the OLPC project is indeed about education as Negroponte keeps insisting. The magic isn't in the laptop hardware (ok, some of it is revolutionary, such as the display) but more in the potential for collaboration and learning. It's a laptop designed to be an education tool and designed for learning. The paradigm behind it is very different than what microsoft, intel and asus are in it for, and that changes the results significantly.

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  80. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by ThreeGigs · · Score: 1

    pants == NULL

    This code will never run

    It's obviously not his pants because he isn't wearing any.

  81. Reinvention by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    Sounds like they reinvented the Atari 800/Commodore 64, i.e. the Personal Computer as opposed to the PC.

  82. Safe for children? by DrJimbo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Awesome! I'm posting this from a virtual XO!

    Uh oh. Is it safe to let the children browse Slashdot?
    Since the posts, moderations, submissions, and editing are all done exclusively by children, I think it is safe to let them browse as well.

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  83. "Computer knowledge"? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    All these people blurbing how computer savvy their kids are because they can wiggle a mouse and how these kids will be drawn into techie lives.. Well Duh! There are millions of manhours invested in improving UI to make it easy to use.

    Inferring that these kids will become techie is like saying that every kid who eats a sandwich will become a blue ribbon baker.

    For most people, playing games is hardly learning. Writing games.

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  84. Soon to be joined by OLPP by hydrodog · · Score: 1

    With children in Nigeria chatting unsupervised with children across the world, the One Laptop Per Pedophile project has just been launched. Congratulations!

  85. Proportion of populations is different by DrYak · · Score: 1

    There's millions of kids already connected to the Internet right now, how is that their mind was not expanded by contact with other cultures? [...] The XO is a laptop, not some magic bullet that will suddenly make people care about the third world.


    It could.
    Because there's a drastical difference in the on-line presence of those populations.

    On the "classical" computers environment, 3rd world people are completely under-represented, both for economic reasons (fewer have access to computer AND internet connection compared to europe or japan), and because of language (and litteracy) barriers.

    Also, when kids go on-line with classical computer environment, they tend to chat with their friends (specially because every one is telling them to stay out of stranger who might be predators), and they tend to play games, on-line games while connected on geographically local servers, the most foreign player they can meet in the game will probably live a couple os states apart(*). So there's very few incentive in going to meet all those people living on the other side of the globe.

    Outside of school organised pen-pal programs, western kid will probably seldom meet kids from poorer countries.

    Inside the OLPC community, the distribution of pupulation is the exact opposite : 3rd world country populations are OVER represented. Mainly because rich kids get their XO laptop only through Get-1-Give-1 program. Whereas 3rd world country kids get the exact same amount of computers from the G1G1 program (obviously) AND in addition get many more through government sponsored programs as currently under way in South America and Africa.

    When the kind has finished using the XO computer locally (for typing text, doing math or playing games) and want to go on-line, the Sugar interface is done in such a way that it is very easy to find other (unkown) users of the laptop and engage chat with them.
    Now if you add into account the over-representation I mentioned above, the kids are most likely to meet kids living in 3rd world countries.

    The whole stuff happen to be organised in a way that encourages meeting people from abroad.

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  86. Squeak by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

    What I see here is "what about the children", food, clean water and shelter There are other agencies trying correct those problems. The real danger is that those kids will learn a real language "squeak" and take over the world.

  87. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    Actually if he's connected to a Jabber server and that server is connected to the internet, he can talk to anyone on any internet-connected Jabber server.

    This is true, he can probably chat with GTalk users and the like, but there is a difference in that he can't "see" them since it only autodiscovers users connected to a given server (if I recall correctly). For other users he'd have to know their address (bob@gmail.com or whatever). I'm not even sure if the built in chat function has a UI element to do that (although it probably will eventually).

  88. OMG by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 1

    OMG, such people really DO exist in US. I couldn't belive this before. Pray tell me - is Poland a state or a country? ;p

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  89. Re:Something smells...and it aint my pants by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

    if((pants) & (!pants)) {
    printf("Your fuzzy truth value is at (0.5). Paradox eliminated.\n");
    }

  90. computers are overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Speaking as a well paid computer professional, who also happens to be 43 years old, unmarried, childless, and lonely, I wish my parents and my school had put a little *less* emphasis on the whole education and technology angle. I'm not envious of any poor, unemployed person, but I do feel like I was trained to do something without ever learning what I would be doing it *for*.


    Anyone who is fretting over whether they should be going all-out trying to get their kids to be on the football team, cheerleading squad, or the prom king/queen's throne, is no more likely to raise a happy well-adjusted kid than someone who is obsessed with raising someone who is a CS/IT expert before they even have pubic hair. Strive for some balance instead, and please, remember, parenting is about *helping* and *protecting* your kids, not about leading them or thinking for them.

  91. [OT] In South America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In my country, the minimun salary is about US$300. Do you think that is a good idea to buy this, instead of spend it on something more useful?
    I think that this is only for increase the external debt of poor countries. Only see who is promoting this.
    Sorry for my english, i'm from South America. (Indeed, America != USA. Remember it ;) )

  92. Effective marketing here. by Reservoir+Penguin · · Score: 1

    The linked article is titled "A child's view of the $100 laptop". Can we please stop calling it the 100 dollar laptop???! Ot is it forever burned into our synapses?

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  93. what the OLPC designers feared by hadaso · · Score: 1

    > Isn't the article's premise the exact situation which the OLPC designers feared?

    Perhaps what they feared was that without controls to limit the distribution of the cheap devices they could be distributed to a wider audience and become a very good cheap alternative to much more expensive equipment the manufacturers that are needed to make the devices sell to the public.

    The specs are very good for business use. A cheap and "childproof" device is something a company can supply to workers who would not get a laptop, and this device can probably do much more than a cellphone, even a modern expensive one. And if they can for their own wireless network with all endpoints acting as routers then perhaps a western city full of such devices would create much less demand for communication services (bandwidth) from whoever currently sell them (telecoms etc.)

    So perhaps the limitations are not there to prevent children of developed countries from enjoying the benefits of the OLPC XO but rather to make sure that those companies that need to cooperate do not feel threatened that wide adoption of the technology might risk some of of their sources of income?

  94. Re:radio controlled dinosaur, game consoles (plura by Xypheri · · Score: 1

    Hah! maybe he got it off the black market and it bricked itsself.. so thats why he couldn't get the WiFi to work?