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What Will Life Be Like In 2008?

tblake writes "Back in 1968, Modern Mechanix mused what life would be like in 40 years. Some things they came pretty close on: 'Money has all but disappeared. Employers deposit salary checks directly into their employees' accounts. Credit cards are used for paying all bills. Each time you buy something, the card's number is fed into the store's computer station. A master computer then deducts the charge from your bank balance.' Some things are way off: 'The car accelerates to 150 mph in the city's suburbs, then hits 250 mph in less built-up areas, gliding over the smooth plastic road. You whiz past a string of cities, many of them covered by the new domes that keep them evenly climatized year round.' And some things are sorta right: 'TV screens cover an entire wall in most homes and show most subjects other than straight text matter in color and three dimensions. In addition to programmed TV and the multiplicity of commercial fare, you can see top Broadway shows, hit movies and current nightclub acts for a nominal charge.'"

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  1. 250 mph by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 3, Funny

    The car accelerates to 150 mph in the city's suburbs, then hits 250 mph in less built-up areas, gliding over the smooth plastic road


    Almost true...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg27ckAgEiw&feature=related
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    1. Re:250 mph by The+Step+Child · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Bugatti Veyron can hit 253 mph.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJj8pAUu5k

    2. Re:250 mph by mobby_6kl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Smooth plastic roads aside, these wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the stinkin' cops. You could easily do 150 in a proper BMW, and even 250 isn't unachievable. The 14 year old McLaren F1 was getting very close and the Bugatti Veyron actually exceeds that prediction.

    3. Re:250 mph by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Speed limits are a political thing mostly. You can do 250mph on German Autobahns in a good modern car. Most other countries limit speed to 70mph, but that's not really a technology issue, more an issue of politicians limiting people's rights to protect them from accidents. Which is actually nonsense, since the Autobahns have the same safety record as roads with speed limits, presumably since people are smart enough to drive at a speed which is safe for the road.

      Of course there are always new dangers to protect people from and now environmentalists want to impose a speed limit on the Autobahns too, to reduce Germany's CO2 emissions by a whopping 0.5%
      http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3085749,00.html

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    4. Re:250 mph by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/28/first-drive-bugatti-veyron/

      and if you fill the tank, take off and drive full throttle, you'll run out of gas in 12 minutes. Twelve. That's 720 seconds. I've waited longer than that for a Big Mac at the drive through. And you'll only go 50 miles. Maybe.
    5. Re:250 mph by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Recently, I watched the Top Gear episode with the Veyron on VW's test track in Germany. They said the tires (tyres) would cook off in 14 minutes at top speed. I suspect the designers sized the fuel tank to empty prior to the tires going away. Sounds like a safety feature to me ... not that I ever expect to be able to experience a Veyron [grumble, grumble].

    6. Re:250 mph by veganboyjosh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, yeah. There are places on the Autobahn that have no posted speed limit. But the thing most people who've never been to Germany don't realize is that if you're going over 100 kph (about 60 mph), and you're in an accident--even if it's clearly, backed-up-by-solid-evidence not your fault-- then your insurance company will not cover damages, and the state/city can find you responsible.

      It's been about 10 years since I lived there, so this may not be the case anymore...

    7. Re:250 mph by edwardpickman · · Score: 3, Funny
      Of course, I've heard that while the Veyron is going 253 mph, it can burn through a tank of gas in 12 minutes.

      And the ensuing localized global warming can melt a glacier at a 100 meters and drop a Bald Eagle at 10 meters.

    8. Re:250 mph by cbreaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a reason it's mandatory, you know. It's so that when you're hit by some asshole driving like an idiot, you get your car fixed and you get your medical bills paid.

      The only insurance that's required by law is liability.

      Before it was required, people were getting completely fucked. You'd get hit by some asshole and he's be broke and not give a shit. You can't get blood from a stone, so you could potentially lose everything you own paying for an accident that wasn't your fault.

      In a perfect society, people would get insurance on their own and everything would be good. But we don't live there, so sometimes shit needs to be required, as shitty as it may seem. Don't blame Uncle Sam, blame shithead John Doe down the road.

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    9. Re:250 mph by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's the same in the UK. Though originally it was possible to make a "specified deposit" to a government bank account instead of purchasing insurance. But the required amount has been increased so quickly (e.g. from £15,000 to £500,000 between 1988 and 1991 - see section 20 ) so this is essentially not really an option for most people anymore.

      Would you support mandatory liability insurance in other areas like employment? What about mandatory insurance that covers more than third party liability, like Hilary's health care plan? What are the criteria for making insurance mandatory do you think?

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    10. Re:250 mph by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 3, Funny

      Before it was required, people were getting completely fucked. You'd get hit by some asshole and he's be broke and not give a shit. You can't get blood from a stone, so you could potentially lose everything you own paying for an accident that wasn't your fault.

      Clearly, the solution is to legalize indentured servitude for these situations.

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    11. Re:250 mph by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, the NHS comparison brings up another issue. If the goverment runs a mandatory scheme, then at least in theory they have some say in the payouts*. But if private companies do, they can just small print their way out of a big chunk of payments. E.g. in the current cut throat US healthcare system, it seems quite possible that the healthcare industry would just take the extra premiums from HilaryCare and then try to minimise their payouts. So the net result would be a massive transfer of money from people who would not have bought healthcare because they can't afford it to a healthcare industry that is highly skilled at avoiding payouts. Which seems like a disaster to me.

      Admittedly really poor people would probably get government help, but as I understand it there are people who are too rich to get government aid but don't currently buy healthcare. They'd end up being forced to pay for something that was pretty much worthless. And middle incomers who pay the majority of taxes would end up paying for the government help to people who can't afford stuff either. I'm not sure, but the whole thing looks like it could be a a net loss of significant numbers of people.

      It's like pensions really. Lots of European Countries have discussed making private pensions mandatory for all but the poorest people. But I don't have a private pension because I don't trust the people selling them to be able to pay me anything when I retire, so I'm strongly opposed to being forced to be a customer.

      * In practice this might not be very helpful. E.g. my grandparents voted Labour, which set up a state pension scheme and dutifully paid their compulsory National Insurance contributions. But when they retired the state pension scheme was starting to get expensive and Margaret Thatcher deindexed it, so it effectively devalued at whatever the inflation rate was per year. Since it wasn't very generous at that point anyway, that was disasterous. So the net effect was that government control of payouts worked very much against them. My parents had privately run University pensions, which turned out to be a terrible deal too.

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    12. Re:250 mph by electrictroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The State of Montana used to have no speed limit during the daytime. It was "do not drive faster than conditions allow". So one day a cop ticketed a guy going ~90 mph. The guy sued the State saying 90 was safe, the court ruled the law was too vague, and the State created a daytime speed limit of 75.

      How speed limits are set:

      - Highway engineers design most interstates for 120 mph travel, per Congressional law. ---- Traffic engineers observe how fast everyone is driving, and make an observation "70% of drivers are moving 84 mph or less. 30% are driving 85 or higher. We recommend the 70th percentile speed of 84 mph for maximum traffic flow and minimal accidents." ----- Politicians step-in, kiss a couple butts, and impose 55 or 65 "for safety's sake" or "gas savings" or some other bs (perhaps bribery from the insurance company, or a desire to collect more money off speeding tickets).

      And then you have a mess.

      Some people are doing 75-85mph, per the traffic engineers' original recommendation. Other people would like to drive faster (after all the interstate was designed for safe travel at 120), but they are only doing 55-60 for fear of getting a $150 extortion....er, fine + increased insurance rates. The resulting disparity of speeds (55 to 85) creates a dangerous situation like bumper cars in an amusement park... a situation that would not exist if the Politicians had bothered to follow the Engineers recommendation.

      But I'm an engineer so I'm used to not being heard by management.

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    13. Re:250 mph by icebrain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And of course, they do their speed measurements when traffic is heavier instead of when it's nice and light, dropping the limit further. Traffic will self-regulate its speed as it gets heavier or conditions get worse; you don't need to set limits off of those conditions because then they restrict things too much when it's light.

      Also, driver training in Germany is more stringent. All it generally takes in the US is parallel parking, going one trip around the block, and not running over any cones. Too many idiots make it through.

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    14. Re:250 mph by KillerBob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can do 250mph on German Autobahns in a good modern car.


      There's only a handful of cars in the world that can do 250mph, and that I'm aware of, exactly one production model car that's currently available, and that car runs out of gas after 12 minutes at that speed. (Read this thread further if you want to know which one it is) Did you perhaps mean 250km/h? That's quite doable for a large number of modern cars. Heck, I have an "economy" car, and it'll do 175km/h. (2007 Chevrolet Aveo, 103hp 1.6L inline 4, fuel injected, no turbo, using 89 octane 10% ethanol fuel... this is the stock LT configuration). Even then, I rarely feel safe taking it over 140km/h and mostly stick to around 120km/h for fuel economy.

      You're right. There is a political impetus behind keeping the speed limits down. I can think of three good reasons to keep the highway speed limit around 100-120km/h: public safety, fuel economy, and darwinism. I've driven fast. Fastest I've ever gone was in a 1988 Subaru XT6... 2.7L H6 with an aftermarket turbocharger and a curb weight of about 1100kg. 290km/h on a closed track outside of Ottawa, ON, Canada. The world flies by at that speed.... fast enough that you probably won't register that you're looking at a hazard until after you've passed it. It's idiotic to the point of insanity to try that kind of speed on a public road, because human reactions simply aren't fast enough, and because a small hazard you can't even see, like a rock or nail in the road, which wouldn't really be anything to worry about at a speed like 80km/h, can cause a tire blowout. And quite frankly, most of us don't have a clue what to do if you have a tire blowout at speed. I don't remember any mention of it in *my* drivers' ed class. I've seen people flip their cars when they had a blowout at 80km/h... do you really want to imagine what'll happen at 3x that speed?

      And it's not a question of teaching people how to drive better, either. No amount of education can prepare you for driving at that kind of speed. It's just not safe for a human to do it in uncontrolled situations. Even in controlled situations, it's not particularly bright.

      Reminds me of an old motorcycle adage... there's old riders, and there's bold riders. You don't see any old bold riders.
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    15. Re:250 mph by kalirion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Third, if you're involved in a 130km/h accident, chances are the only insurance that's going to matter is life insurance.

  2. Goddammit! by Eddi3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Goddammit, I want my flying cars!

    1. Re:Goddammit! by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Flying cars? Fuck flying cars, I want my four hour work day god damn it:

      People have more time for leisure activities in the year 2008. The average work day is about four hours. But the extra time isn't totally free. The pace of technological advance is such that a certain amount of a jobholder's spare time is used in keeping up with the new developments--on the average, about two hours of home study a day.

      They were just confused that the ease in which we can accomplish four 1968 work hours would eliminate us from having to do an additional four hours of additional work.

    2. Re:Goddammit! by TXG1112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many of us actually work for eight hours? I know I generally have plenty of time to read Slashdot (ahem) (cough) keep up with new developments during the day.

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    3. Re:Goddammit! by renegadesx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Answer: Windows admins

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    4. Re:Goddammit! by edwardpickman · · Score: 5, Funny
      Flying cars? Fuck flying cars, I want my four hour work day god damn it:

      Move to France. The future is now!

    5. Re:Goddammit! by superwiz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Goddammit, I want my flying cars! Phew... please, I'd settle for legalization of Segways in Manhattan.
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    6. Re:Goddammit! by exitmoose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but I certainly don't do more than four hours of real work a day. And if spending hours on slashdot and wikipedia can be considered "study", then I'd say they got pretty close to the mark with that one.

    7. Re:Goddammit! by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not only that. It is not devided honestly. Some people have 0 hours and some have 8.

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    8. Re:Goddammit! by donaldm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Goddammit, I want my flying cars! Pre-flying car running out of fuel after driver ignores all warnings. Car comes to a halt and hopefully at the side of the road. Driver thinks "Damn I am going to have to walk to the nearest fuel station"

      Flying car runs out of fuel over 100m above the ground after the driver ignores all warnings. Driver does not think ever again.

      Flying car starts to run out of fuel and it's auto pilot takes control and lands the car so it gently touches down in the middle of the ocean because the driver thought it would be a good idea to fly to Hawaii. If the driver is lucky he may survive, although this may not work very well if he had the same problems in the mountains.

      Now a personal jet pack on the other hand??? - err forget it.
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    9. Re:Goddammit! by Chrisje · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're confused.

      LUNCH is four hours in France. With red wine or a beer, cheeses and Crème Brûlée for dessert.

      If you're even thinking of modding this funny, think again. I kid not. Even at HP Grenoble and HP Isle D'Abeau this is the case.

    10. Re:Goddammit! by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How many of us actually work for eight hours?

      In the tech world? Probably no-one. However, go and look at your local supermarket: the cashiers, the stockers, etc... Those do 8h a day or more. Most manual labour, I guarantee you that. You're usually tightly supervised and you're gonna have time for a cigarette or a coffee a few times a day, but that's it.

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    11. Re:Goddammit! by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like a squirrel saving nuts for the winter, you worked hard in school and college while those guys watched MTV. Now you reap the benefits...

    12. Re:Goddammit! by Johnny5000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For most of you four hours of work a day is true. Four hours spent working, four more on Slashdot, two more gossiping by the water cooler, and a few more to schmooze up with management so you won't get fired.

      I work all my hours except for breaks, and I read Slashdot at home not at work and I don't gossip or schmooze


      And you say that like we're the suckers.
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    13. Re:Goddammit! by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Hey buddy, you got time to lean, you got time to clean!

      Man, I had to work those kind of jobs when I was an undergrad in college. Fucking nightmare stuff.

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  3. I guess even he knew by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even forty years ago, he wasn't naive enough to suggest Duke Nukem Forever being available.

    1. Re:I guess even he knew by plover · · Score: 5, Funny
      And listen to this:

      Money has all but disappeared. He knew my wife!
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  4. I'm impressed by AdamReyher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm actually impressed with how dead on a lot of the predictions are. Most predictions from the 60s and 70s were outrageous. One thing I think we've gotten much better at is figuring out the technological limitations of the near future so as to not make such outrageous predictions ... sort of. Supposedly we're all going to be in flying and/or driverless cars by 2015.

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    1. Re:I'm impressed by Kandenshi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I think you almost hit the nail on the head. "most predictions from the 60s and 70s..." There were quite a few of them right? Seemed like every author or magazine wrote at least one article talking about what stuff would be like in the year 2000, 2010, etc...
      So we've got plenty of predictions from the 60s and 70s, and this guy mananged to get several of his right (though others are way way off).

      What's that they say about an infinite number of monkeys? We only had a finite (if large) number of predictors, but unlike monkeys most of them wont just write down "j ,kmdsxzqw3i98" either. It's nice for him that he got some stuff mostly right, but unlike you being impressed at this, I would have been more impressed if none of them did.
      As for the driverless car thing, I think that it could conceivably happen in my own lifetime, but I don't expect it anytime soon. Certainly not as a common thing in the next decade.

    2. Re:I'm impressed by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's that they say about an infinite number of monkeys?
      Well, today we *do* have an infinite number of monkeys typing into an infinite number of typewriters. It's called Wikipedia.
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  5. beg to differ by flynt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some things are way off: 'The car accelerates to 150 mph in the city's suburbs, then hits 250 mph in less built-up areas

    Speak for yourself...

  6. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since there are a lot of cars then airplanes Wow. Just Wow.

    How the hell did you manage to pass grade 2 English?
  7. Money has all but disappeared by Volanin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a little offtopic (feel free to moderate me appropriately), but I can think of no better
    place to ask this than here at /. and its grammar-nazis!

    From the summary:
    "Money has all but disappeared."

    What does this sentence mean, please?
    Whenever I read it, I read it as: "Everything imaginable happenned to money, except disappear."
    Or even: "Money has changed color, has lost its value, has been globally unified... but disappear? No way!"

    But by the context of the summary, it seems I am getting exactly the opposite of it.
    Although I consider myself quite good at English, it is not my main language.
    Can someone clear this up for me?
    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Money has all but disappeared by The+Step+Child · · Score: 4, Informative

      I believe it's an idiom. The meaning of "all but [something]" is "almost [something]".

    2. Re:Money has all but disappeared by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think in the context of the article, "money" simply means cash (paper currency).

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    3. Re:Money has all but disappeared by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 2, Informative

      "has all but disappeared" has the same meaning as "has almost disappeared". That particular construct is seldom used in everyday speech, but still shows up regularly in writing or speeches where dramatic effect is desired.

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    4. Re:Money has all but disappeared by Volanin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe you are right: all but
      Thank you!

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    5. Re:Money has all but disappeared by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously they somehow saw my bank account. Money has been disappearing from it for years.

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    6. Re:Money has all but disappeared by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree. I'm tired of my language having color and flair.

    7. Re:Money has all but disappeared by DKlineburg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think that is what he meant at all. Look at the whole world of Star Trek. Theoretically in the Federation, there was no money. That is the idealistic view that I think a lot of people had in that era. That goes hand in hand with not having to work more than 8 hours a day. Why work when you don't need money as we all put in 4, everyone gets what they want, and things are perfect. I see a lot of predictions that were given during that era as a "Perfect" world scenario that will never happen. Humans are to greedy to ever do away with money. I may use a bank card to pay for my things, but hell if I can buy a brand new Mercedes with my "Lack" of money.

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  8. TFA was off in one important respect... by rah1420 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...in his prediction of intelligence pills.

    Either that, or a lot of people I encountered today need to adjust their dosage.

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    1. Re:TFA was off in one important respect... by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, without them, they claim to know what plants crave. It's progress.

    2. Re:TFA was off in one important respect... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Funny

      water? you mean like from a toilet?

    3. Re:TFA was off in one important respect... by RockModeNick · · Score: 5, Funny

      but it's got ELECTROLYTES!

    4. Re:TFA was off in one important respect... by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should use Brawndo: it's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.

    5. Re:TFA was off in one important respect... by mblase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No need to worry about failing memory or intelligence either. The intelligence pill is another 21st century commodity. Slow learners or people struck with forgetful-ness are given pills which increase the production of enzymes controlling production of the chemicals known to control learning and memory. Everyone is able to use his full mental potential.

      Well, we haven't got pills for intelligence, but we do have them for attention-deficit, depression, insomnia, schizophrenia, and just about every other mental imbalance you can think of.

      So, yeah, everyone is able to use his or her full mental potential, but we haven't yet invented a way to make them want to do so.

  9. Re:Wellll.... by Sen.NullProcPntr · · Score: 2, Funny

    This one made me laugh out loud: "People have more time for leisure activities in the year 2008. The average work day is about four hours." As if any society would ever let its plebes goof off that much! Maybe this is actually the first accurate prediction of slashdot's effect on worker productivity?-)
  10. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The notion of centralized control is way off. Each car (as it is now with human drivers) needs to be aware of its surroundings and behave properly in an orderly swarm fashion. Any sort of centralized system should analyze traffic and offer broadcast hints back to the vehicles for upcoming road conditions and preferred alternate routes, instead of micromanaging everything from a single point of failure.

  11. Auto-pilot cars & GPS by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmm... just when I read that article on people trusting their car GPS systems even if they'd go down a cliff....

  12. Sorry Amazon, prior art... by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "When you see what you want, you press a number that signifies "buy," and the household computer takes over, places the order, notifies the store of the home address and subtracts the purchase price from your bank balance."

    "One click", I have you now!

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    1. Re:Sorry Amazon, prior art... by zermous · · Score: 4, Informative

      three words: not in america!

    2. Re:Sorry Amazon, prior art... by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

      First to file does not invalidate prior art. Most of the confusion here is about what does and does not constitutes prior art. Prior art includes published data and shipped products, as these are easily dated and verified. It does not include lab notebooks and internal prototypes, as they are not. The only thing that first-to-file changes is that these internal documents are no longer considered when determining who invented something first.

    3. Re:Sorry Amazon, prior art... by macslas'hole · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure this article qualifies as prior art, but doesn't its existence some quarter of a century prior to the patent, in a popular magazine, suggest that the idea was, at the very least, obvious?

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  13. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this thing going 150 MPH and there is a hiccup on the network, or even let say some hacking/DDoS is going on, tons of crashes will surely happen.

    The thing is, assuming that you can produce reliable sensors, there's only two rules you have to follow when dealing with other cars for freeway travel, neither of which require any kind of communication with an external controller:

    1) Do not drive faster than the vehicle in front of you
    2) Do not change lanes if there is a vehicle beside you

    Both of those are trivial to handle, even at 250MPH. The real problem isn't ramming another car, it's finding the damn lane on the road, especially when you've got places where the government doesn't bother repainting the stripes more than once every 50 years. Or places where the road is assembled from strips of concrete where the joints between the strips aren't quite lined up with the lanes (I've seen humans who can't figure those out, hell, the first time I ever saw that type of road construction was as a kid when I was in a merge lane on an overpass where the actual lane stripes had long since worn off, and I thought I was supposed to be following the black lines diagonally across the bridge until I nearly rammed someone). Or places where the lanes are repainted every 3 months... in completely different places.

    Now, surface street travel with various stop signs, intersections, lights, etc... that's a long, long, long way away, even at 20 MPH with some central command center telling every car what it's supposed to be doing in realtime.

  14. Sounds about right by Psychotria · · Score: 4, Funny

    People have more time for leisure activities in the year 2008. The average work day is about four hours. But the extra time isn't totally free. The pace of technological advance is such that a certain amount of a jobholder's spare time is used in keeping up with the new developments--on the average, about two hours of home study a day.

    They got it almost spot on: 4 hours actual work; 2 hours slashdot; 2 hours talking; 2 hours walking around the office; 1 hour making coffee's; 3 hours replying to emails; 3 hours answering telephones; 1 hour break time; 2 hours travel time; 2 hours home study time; 2 hours sleep. Rinse-and-repeat.

  15. I want to go back 40 years... by jlowery · · Score: 2, Funny

    where I can make $20 an hour laminating stuff.

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  16. Harry Enfield Life in 1990 by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reminds me of the skit by Harry Enfield about Life in 1990
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYDREry3do

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  17. industrialization by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's interesting to note how this piece reflects the then-prevalent belief that technology would bring a Utopian age. No one stopped to think about the consequences of using thousands of ICBMs as transportation devices, or the industrial waste generated by wall-sized televisions and domed cities. Plastic was magical - we hadn't yet realized how toxic it could be, or how addicted we would become to it. Domed cities and millions of cars that travel 300 mph are the stuff of science fiction novels, but they'd be awful in practice - Just imagine how unbearably warn and clammy a dome would be under bright summer sun (or how quickly it would be discolored by dust storms and acid rain), or how poorly wildlife would coexist with a stream of automated bullet cars zipping along plastic roads. Somehow, we need to figure out how to do with less - much less - while figuring out how to tread less heavily on the earth. It might be an impossible task.

    1. Re:industrialization by nguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      No one stopped to think about the consequences of using thousands of ICBMs as transportation devices,

      Not a problem with hydrogen or nuclear powered rockets.

      or the industrial waste generated by wall-sized televisions and domed cities

      Wall-sized televisions using OLEDs don't generate a lot of waste. And city domes are recyclable.

      Plastic was magical - we hadn't yet realized how toxic it could be, or how addicted we would become to it.

      There's nothing inherently toxic about plastic.

      Just imagine how unbearably warn and clammy a dome would be under bright summer sun

      That depends on how the dome is constructed and how it is cooled.

      (or how quickly it would be discolored by dust storms and acid rain)

      Self-cleaning surfaces avoid those problems.

      or how poorly wildlife would coexist with a stream of automated bullet cars zipping along plastic roads

      Well, that's easy to deal with. The real issue is that going 300mph in air just isn't very efficient no matter what you do; therefore, a ground network of evacuated tunnels may be the real answer.

      Somehow, we need to figure out how to do with less - much less - while figuring out how to tread less heavily on the earth. It might be an impossible task.

      I don't share your limited view of the future. There is nothing inherently ecologically unsound about domed cities or wall-sized televisions or high speed transportation. We simply need to think about environmental impact before deploying a technology widely, but we also shouldn't be afraid to try out new ideas on a limited scale to get some idea of what works and what doesn't.

  18. Re:A pretty good estimate by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TV sets were only just new, and still in Black and White.

    Not quite. Commercial TV has been around since the 1940s (in the U.S., anyhow) and color broadcasts were commonly available by 1960. My family got it's first color TV in order to watch the 1968 Olympics.

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  19. Re:Where are the flying cars? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyways, flying cars are a stupid idea. Three dimensional traffic would be a major headache, just ask a flight controller how they would feel about adding several billion more vehicles to the sky in order to make flying cars ubiquitous.
    If only we could invent some sort of thinking machine to rapidly process more information than the human mind could ever handle!?

    Transportation really needs to move into 3 dimensions, it's the only way to resolve congestion. Being stuck in 2 dimensions is just causing a lot of congestion and is too dangerous.

    That said, my fanciful wish is for digging tunnels all over the place so we don't have to look up at a sky clogged with millions of aircraft. Having a mechanical failure in a tunnel is safer than in the sky, too.

  20. $12/hour with no selling! by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They had get rich quick schemes back then too! Make $12 an hour!

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  21. 2048 by sane? · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By 2048 the concept of a national currency will have devolved back into a token based economy founded on barter. Those few that survive will focus on securing the necessities of life. Whole regions will be uninhabited as global warming turns them progressively to desert.

    Personal transportation will be a thing of the past. What movement occurs will either be human powered or the preserve of the feudal lords. The only areas where an energy rich economy continues to exist will be those of the Middle East, at least those parts not a radioactive wasteland. Most oil will be vegetable oil, and with the collapse of intensive agriculture there won't be much of that.

    Many of the major cities will be going underwater as sea levels rise following the accelerating collapse of the Greenland glaciers and the lack of funding to support management measures. Diseases come in waves across the globe, each wave wiping out more than are born. There is a general malaise, a depression of opportunities lost. Most do not want to bring children into this world.

    1. Re:2048 by Fastball · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal motherfuckers into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah, your unborn son.

      But seriously, at the risk of wasting a funny post, who modded the parent insightful? Why is it that dark, brooding fears about the future are considered so profound? I mean really, +5 Insightful?

    2. Re:2048 by initialE · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many years ago this was a thriving, happy planet - people, cities, shops, a normal world. Except that on the high streets of these cities there were slightly more shoe shops than one might have thought necessary. And slowly, insidiously, the number of the shoe shops were increasing. It's a well-known economic phenomenon but tragic to see it in operation, for the more shoe shops there were, the more shoes they had to make and the worse and more unwearable they became. And the worse they were to wear, the more people had to buy to keep themselves shod, and the more the shops proliferated, until the whole economy of the place passed what I believe is termed the Shoe Event Horizon, and it became no longer economically possible to build anything other than shoe shops. Result - collapse, ruin and famine. Most of the population died out. Those few who had the right kind of genetic instability mutated into birds who cursed their feet, cursed the ground and vowed that no one should walk on it again.
      Credit to Douglas Adams

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    3. Re:2048 by timster · · Score: 2, Funny

      But seriously, at the risk of wasting a funny post, who modded the parent insightful? Why is it that dark, brooding fears about the future are considered so profound? I mean really, +5 Insightful?

      That sort of nonsense makes a captivating story for those who disagree with the course of human society and progress. It's the ultimate modern power fantasy to be so right in your views of economics, ecology, sociology, etc that everyone dies because they didn't listen to you.

      That's why peak oil, for instance, is almost never discussed as an opportunity to make an absolute killing on some other energy source (of which there are plenty) -- it's always about how nobody will be able to grow crops and we will all die.

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  22. Re:2058 by popmaker · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, we might have wireless access to our pets. And be able to watch porn during sleep. And the newest windows operating system will do the same things as today with 10^8 times the space.

  23. Re:Where's my Intelligence Pill? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

    You should've remembered to take your memory pill. But then, that's the trick, isn't it?

  24. Re:@#! by superyooser · · Score: 3, Funny
    Flying cars will be considered "sooo 1990s."

    In 2008, people will travel in levitating, hypersonic personal aircraft called mePods.

  25. relatively uneventful by opencity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Over the last 40 years the actual physical environment hasn't changed much. Imagine the difference between 1900 and 1940: automobiles, airplanes - or 1920 and 1960: Commercial trans Atlantic jet travel, satellites, H bombs, national highways. I can remember 1968. Since then we've gotten the ATM, cable TV, cell phones, personal computers but, except for the corporate mall-ing of the American highway, which was well underway by 1968 and didn't change the environment so much as stamp out local flavor, and saner environmental regulation, some lakes used to glow in the dark, this is still interstate rust belt America.

    In fact, someone waking up right now would find America in the middle of a colonial war, suburban sprawl graying the countryside. "A gallon of gas costs what?!? Hey, can I see your phone?" That is, unless they were in medicine or IT.

    (disclaimer: above memories are related to North America)

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  26. Funny how wrong he is on the big things. by Corngood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He describes a world where the entire infrastructure has essentially been rebuilt in 40 years. I can't see how that would have seemed plausible even back then. That said, portions of it are impressively accurate.

    1. Re:Funny how wrong he is on the big things. by Squirmy+McPhee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He describes a world where the entire infrastructure has essentially been rebuilt in 40 years. I can't see how that would have seemed plausible even back then.

      Well, 40 years prior to 1968 there were no interstates and the country had only a handful of major highways. Rural areas not only didn't have electricity, but many believed that rural electrification was impossible. Commercial aviation was virtually nonexistent. Commercial radio had existed for only a few years and television was still experimental, with the first commercially licensed television stations more than a decade away. Telephone service wasn't entirely novel, but telephones at home weren't the norm, either.

      So yes, I can see how in 1968 it would have seemed plausible to rebuild our entire infrastructure in the span of 40 years. I think part of the reason it seems implausible in hindsight is that over the past 40 years we simply haven't spent the massive sums on public works that we did from the 1930s to the 1960s. In fact, we went in quite the opposite direction in spending on our infrastructure, and now by at least one estimate we need to spend $3+ trillion just to keep what we have already built from falling apart (let alone improve or replace it).

  27. Let's go point by point by downix · · Score: 5, Informative

    > two-passenger air-cushion car
    Didn't happen sadly
    > national traffic computer
    Read "GPS system"
    > morning paper /flat TV screen / Tapping a button changes the page.
    Your basic ebook
    > smooth plastic road
    Still concrete, altho progress has been made in using polymers in road construction
    > cities... covered by the new domes
    This one didn't happen
    > The traffic computer ... feeds/receives signals to and from all cars / keeps vehicles /apart.
    GM has prototypes that do just this. It's creepy to see them on the road.
    > attache case / draw the diagram with / infrared flashlight on what looks like a TV screen
    You basic tablet
    > The diagram is relayed to a similar screen in your associate's office, 200 mi. away.
    Have this
    > He jabs a button and a fixed copy of the sketch rolls out of the device.
    The printer
    > vehicle parks itself / municipal garage
    Again, GM has made leaps and bounds for this
    > Private cars are banned inside most city / Moving sidewalks and electrams carry the public
    Your basic Arcology idea, but not yet in practice.
    > With the U.S. population having soared to 350 million
    Close, only 270 million
    > transportation is among the most important factors keeping the economy running smoothly.
    Quite true, and also where we are starting to break apart
    > Giant transportation hubs / located /from 15 to 50 mi. outside all major urban centers.
    Some cities have done this, but not in the US to date
    > Tube trains, pushed through bores by compressed air
    This is ancient, but not in use
    > launching pad from which 200-passenger rockets
    Commercial rocketry is currently for the super-rich, and only a gimmick for now.
    > SST and hypersonic planes
    Concorde was retired a few years back
    > jumbo jets.
    The mainstay of transportation
    >Electrostatic precipitators clean the air
    Ionic Breeze anyone?
    >climatizers maintain the temperature and humidity at optimum levels.
    We have this in spades
    > Robots are available to do housework and other simple chores.
    Vacuuming is about all we have here with the Roomba
    > New materials for siding and interiors are self-cleaning and never peel, chip or crack.
    He got this one right
    > Dwellings / prefabricated modules / attached speedily
    Dead on here, most home construction now involves at least some prefabrication.
    > job that doesn't take more than a day.
    Didn't wind up this fast save for Extreme Home Makeover
    > Such modular homes easily can be expanded to accommodate a growing family.
    This sadly did not wind up the case.
    > A typical wedding present / a fully equipped bedroom, kitchen or living room module.
    Man, and all I got was 4 waffle irons....
    > determines in advance her menus / prepackaged meals / automatic food utility
    Didn't happen
    > microwave oven and is cooked or thawed.
    Did happen
    > disposable plastic plates / knives, forks and spoons / so inexpensive they can be discarded
    This very much happened.
    > The single most important item in 2008 households is the computer.
    100% bingo!
    > These electronic brains govern everything from meal preparation and waking up the household to assembling shopping lists and keeping track of the bank balance. Sensors in kitchen appliances, climatizing units, communicators, power supply and other household utilities warn the computer when the item is likely to fail. A repairman will show up even before any obvious breakdown occurs.
    We have not gotten to this point yet, however, it is appearing piecemail
    > Computers also handle travel reservations, relay telephone messages, keep track of birthdays and anniversaries, compute taxes and even figure the monthly bills for electricity, water, telephone and other utilities.
    This is now almost a decade old
    > Not every family has its private computer.
    Now he called it short.

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    1. Re:Let's go point by point by Hucko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The single most important item in 2008 households is the computer. 100% bingo!
      err... no, the TV is the altar at which worship occurs... except in a few odd bespectacled bearded male households...
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    2. Re:Let's go point by point by glwtta · · Score: 2, Informative

      > With the U.S. population having soared to 350 million
      Close, only 270 million


      It's actually over 300 million - there's been a lot of humping going on lately.

      Some of those are spot on, but I think you give him way too much credit for some really tenuous ones, where we basically have an inkling that it's possible, but don't even know if it's a good idea, never mind have it in wide adoption: GPS is a far cry from the fully automatic system he describes; there's some movement in the whole "remote learning" thing, but nowhere near that scale (a good thing, as far as I'm concerned); and he may give a vague description of how ADD/ADHD drugs work, but what he is talking about has no relation to how they are actually used.

      Pretty impressive overall, though, especially considering how much of a deal some "futurists" make of having predicted some of these things in the mid-90s!

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  28. Interestingly (but not surprisingly)... by invader_vim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the article maintains a phallocentric society, where men go to the office to work, and women stay home and coo-- I mean, oversee the cooking. While some of the technological advancements have certainly come to pass (and some pretty close if we look at them analogously), the social attitude of the article is firmly entrenched in the 1960s. Consider:

    The housewife simply determines in advance her menus for the week, then slips prepackaged meals into the freezer and lets the automatic food utility do the rest.
    1. Re:Interestingly (but not surprisingly)... by Merusdraconis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's like the Jetsons in article form.

    2. Re:Interestingly (but not surprisingly)... by LihTox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Question for the readership:
      This is an obvious, sometimes jarring feature in early science fiction too: the authors for the most part did not foresee the breakdown of traditional gender roles. People occasionally talk about predictions made by SF authors which came true; did anyone pre-1960 successfully predict the societal trend with men and women on an equal footing? (Not just individual women-- there were women professionals long before the 70's-- but women as a whole in the workforce.)

    3. Re:Interestingly (but not surprisingly)... by Cadallin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Heinlein did. If you read "For Us, The Living" written in 1938 or so, all the female characters in the book have careers, including a medical doctor (treating a man no less, if you're familiar at all with medical attitudes in the 1930's it should be clear just how progressive that is). It also includes far more permissive sexuality than we have now, and also birth control is at least implied.

      I'm not saying he was a saint, but Heinlein was pretty consistent at asserting the intellectual equality of women in his writing.

  29. Crichton on Predicting the Future by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The second group that some people imagine may know the future are specialists of various kinds. They don't either. As a limiting case, I remind you there is a new kind of specialist occupation-I refuse to call it a discipline, or a field of study-called futurism. The notion here is that there is a way to study trends and know what the future holds. That would indeed be valuable, if it were possible. But it isn't possible. Futurists don't know any more about the future than you or I. Read their magazines from a couple of years ago and you'll see an endless parade of error.

    From http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-whyspeculate.html

  30. Re:Wellll.... by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    People have more time for leisure activities in the year 2008. The average work day is about four hours." As if any society would ever let its plebes goof off that much!

    Ah, but you didn't finish the paragraph! A closer look reveals startling truths:

    People have more time for leisure activities in the year 2008. The average work day is about four hours. But the extra time isn't totally free. The pace of technological advance is such that a certain amount of a jobholder's spare time is used in keeping up with the new developments--on the average, about two hours of home study a day.

    Closer than you would guess! The average person works 4 hours, and spends at least 2 hours reading Slashdot (though admittedly not at home. You can't fault the guy too much for that error). The other 2 hours are split between Wikipedia bingeing, blog reading, and Fark.

    Dwellings for the most part are assembled from prefabricated modules, which can be attached speedily in the configuration that best suits the homeowner. Such modular homes easily can be expanded to accommodate a growing family. A typical wedding present for the 21st century newlyweds is a fully equipped bedroom, kitchen or living room module.

    Ah, a depiction of the epitome of 21st century living: The modern trailer park!

    The housewife simply determines in advance her menus for the week, then slips prepackaged meals into the freezer and lets the automatic food utility do the rest. At preset times, each meal slides into the microwave oven and is cooked or thawed. The meal then is served on disposable plastic plates.

    Just plain scary how close this is. If I had a nickel for every time dinner was a Kid's Cuisine or Hungry Man I'd have a lot of nickels.

    Students visit a campus once or twice a week for personal consultations or for lab work that has to be done on site. Progress of each student is followed by computer, which assigns end term marks on the basis of tests given throughout the term.

    Again, a vision of the future! I probably go to class once or twice a week and my end grade is indeed determined by the Scantron sheets I fill with Rorschach inkblots.

    Besides school lessons, other educational material is available for TV viewing. You simply press a combination of buttons and the pages flash on your home screen. The world's information is available to you almost instantaneously.

    Al Gore couldn't have said it better himself. Maybe vague, but it does fit the Internets and associated tubes pretty well.

    TV screens cover an entire wall in most homes and show most subjects other than straight text matter in color

    True enough. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate the "other matter". Or so I've heard anyway.

    Mariculturists have turned areas of the sea into beds of protein-rich seaweed and algae. This raw material is processed into food that looks and tastes like steak and other meats. It also is cheap; families can have steak-like meals twice a day without feeling a budget pinch.

    Ah ha, Kraft Foods! This amazing fellow was able to predict the rise of "processed cheese food" and "mechanically separated meat products". Brillant!

    Heart disease has virtually been eliminated by drugs and diet.

    Nobody bats a thousand I guess.

    No need to worry about failing memory or intelligence either. The intelligence pill is another 21st century commodity. Slow learners or people struck with forgetful-ness are given pills which increase the production of enzymes controlling production of the chemicals known to control learning and memory.

    He couldn't have been closer if he'd just given us the name of the wonder drug Ritalin!

    Anyway, he was spot on. Finally a reviewer who didn't have flying cars in their list.
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  31. Or.... by GnomeChompsky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    we could invest in public transportation and abrogate people's stupid, life-risking civil liberties by takin' way their cars.

    SERIOUSLY. If we invested the amount of money people spend on Cars, Car Insurance and Gasoline into public transportation, we'd have some sort of awesome, pneumatic tube public transportation system a la Futurama. The reason there's so much congestion is because people have decided they each need to get to work INDIVIDUALLY WRAPPED in LARGE CHUNKS OF CARBON-BURNING METAL.

    1. Re:Or.... by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      we could invest in public transportation and abrogate people's stupid, life-risking civil liberties by takin' way their cars.

      Ahh... the costs of personal freedom.

      But... there's nothing stopping you from living out your dream of using only public transportation.

      But wait - you want everyone else to stop what you're doing and guild a Futurama tube system for you? Wow. You better get crackin'.

      Or better yet, buy a car.

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    2. Re:Or.... by yourlord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can keep your communist utopia.. Wasting more precious time of my life traveling to some depot, to be packed into a can full of people I would otherwise never willfully go anywhere near, just because YOU have a phobia of cars and based on your own little delusion think it will somehow "save the planet from those evil humans", is not an option.

      Universally acceptable public transportation is not feasible, unless we come up with transporters a la Star Trek. Even then, many people will be apprehensive about being transported in that fashion. For those people, cars are still an option..

  32. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by jstockdale · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the Vehicle-to-Vehicle and Vehicle-to-Infrastructure programs at many of the leading auto industry R&D programs, are working on exactly this approach.

    Certain portions of CA infrastructure have been equipped with the first generation of this equipment (DSRC 1000m range radio equipment) and there's even a traffic light in Palo Alto (Page Mill Rd & El Camino Real) where you can receive broadcast status and phase information as you approach.

    You make the cars aware of each other, and aware of the road, at first for safety and driver-assistance purposes--and the you gradually phase in the AI portion as it matures.

    See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_infrastructure_integration

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  33. Re:Where are the flying cars? by explosivejared · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any advancement that gives us the ability to use airways as the primary channel of day to day travel would probably signify sufficient advancement to automate ground travel, making traffic shaping more effective and congestion a non-issue.

    So in terms of today's tech, flying cars are too expensive with regard to energy and would lead to a sky filled with death. In terms of tomorrow's tech, they are simply superfluous. Not to mention, still constrained by the same fact that flying takes more energy than traveling on the ground.

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  34. Re:Another bad thing about centralized control by _KiTA_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Note: this is not a video game. This is in Sweden. No,nonono. You did it wrong. Here, let me:

    "Video game...? THIS... IS... SWEDEN!"
  35. TV dinners by philbert2.71828 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The housewife simply determines in advance her menus for the week, then slips prepackaged meals into the freezer and lets the automatic food utility do the rest.
    We have those -- they're called microwaveable TV dinners, and they taste terrible. The future isn't all it was cracked up to be.
  36. Online shopping by panaceaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I found most interesting about this article is how shopping in 2008 is actually BETTER than was imagined in 1968. The author thought items for sale would be displayed on a television, and people would order items through a different interface -- the telephone -- by pressing on a telephone keypad.

    Instead, today we can interactively view an item for sale on the Internet, get competing prices, read reviews from real people around the world, and order the item through the same interface using buttons with descriptive labels. It seems so obvious now, and as a developer I still think we have a ways to go, but look how far we've come! This wasn't even fathomable 40 years ago.

    1. Re:Online shopping by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      What I found most interesting about this article is how shopping in 2008 is actually BETTER than was imagined in 1968.
      ...
      today we can interactively view an item for sale on the Internet, get competing prices, read reviews from real people around the world, and order the item through the same interface using buttons with descriptive labels.

      And you can view products that don't work from companies that don't exist, get competing prices from vendors that never ship, read reviews from trolls and shills from every cave and mother's basement around the world, and you can pay by credit card to a hijacked site somewhere in Estonia.

      "Better" is true relative to nothing at all, but caveat emptor applies far more today than it did in 1968.

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  37. Ahah! One-click ordering by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One-click ordering described! Over 25 years before Amazon...

    When you see what you want, you press a number that signifies "buy," and the household computer takes over, places the order, notifies the store of the home address and subtracts the purchase price from your bank balance. Much of the family shopping is done this way. Instead of being jostled by crowds, shoppers electronically browse through the merchandise of any number of stores.

  38. Amazing accuracy except for one point. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    For some reason people in the Fifties and Sixties imagining these future scenarios, often tended to see a very cooperative society where somehow greed and corruption and general selfishness had been left behind by history.


    We'd probably have more of that cool stuff if people could learn to get along a little better. But as it stands, they failed to mention that people today still lock their doors, have automatic car alarms, and that nine tenths of the world's population not only don't have flying cars, but live in mud huts while working for some cruddy manufacturing company for pennies a day. --With unexploded cluster bomb ordinance scattered outdoors.

    Neal Stephenson, were he born in the Forties, could have put a more realistic spin on this article. Too bad.

    I predict that by 2015 or thereabouts, and probably a bit sooner, the earth will be a meteor pock-marked hell dealing with super-fast glacial rebound where there really is no more paper money, and the only domed cities will have George W. Bush and/or Vladimir Putin living inside them.


    -FL

  39. Mechanix Illustrated by leamanc · · Score: 3, Informative

    Back in 1968, Modern Mechanix mused what life would be like in 40 years. The name of the magazine was Mechanix Illustrated. Modern Mechanix is the site hosting the scan of the article.
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  40. The pace of change is slowing down. by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pace of change is slowing down. Look at four 50 year periods in history.

    1. 1808 In 1808, life was pretty much like it had been for the previous thousand years. Land travel was on foot or by horse; most people never went fifty miles from their birthplace in their entire life. Heating was from burning wood; lighting from candles. Everything was made by hand. But things were just starting to pick up steam, literally. The first locomotive was in 1804. The very first passenger train ran in 1807. Iron was rare, and steel rarer still.
    2. 1858 Railroads connected the major cities in Europe, England, and the US east of the Mississippi. Gas lighting had appeared in cities. Some ships were steam powered. Western Union had telegraphs up and running. Factories were coal burning and steam powered. Textiles were being manufactured by power looms and were much cheaper. Iron was plentiful; steel was still rare. The first oil well was a year in the future.
    3. 1908 Major cities had electricity. Telephones were available. All commercial shipping was steam powered. The first cars were running, and the first aircraft had flown. Big hydroelectric plants at Niagara Falls were running. Steel was widely available and cheap. The first skyscrapers had been built. An active oil industry was producing.
    4. 1958 Radio, TV, electronics, computers, and atomic power were all working. Transistor radios were available. Oil and natural gas were supplanting coal. Huge farm surpluses were a normal event in the US. The first satellites were in orbit. Large jet transports were flying. Good highway system pervasive. Vaccines for polio, tetanus, diphtheria, yellow fever. Antibiotics widely available. The problems of transportation, power, manufacturing, and agriculture had all been overcome, more than overcome, for the first time in history.
    5. 2008 Improvements over 1958, but few breakthroughs. No major new power sources. Energy costs up during this period, for the first time in 200 years. No major new form of transportation. No major improvement in space launch technology. Some progress in biotech but no major life extension. Much progress in electronics and computers.

    Progress is flatlining.

    1. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by DemonCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having addressed basic problems of food, manufacturing, housing, health and transportation, people lead relatively comfortable lives. In the last fifty years we've been madly creating new technology that makes already do-able tasks even easier and that delivers entertainment far more conveniently. Our motivation is slowing down because our needs have been met. Granted, things *could* still be much better, and for more people, but most of the people who are in a position to push progress in technology are sitting fat and happy.

    2. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by thanatos_x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the pace of growth is to continue, it will likely require AI of some sort. Excessively cheap energy would be a close substitute - we can do a lot of things we couldn't do in 1958, they just aren't energy efficient. Could we build an air/space plane to go Sydney to NYC in 3 hours? Probably, however there wouldn't be much of a point.

      Although that's an interesting take, I feel like we're on the verge for a number of advances. Genome sequencing has gone down in price from 300 million to 5,000 in under a decade; if this is the entire genome in both cases, or just the parts they find useful for determining diseases, I don't know, but it should have some impact to health. Computing is working hard on reaching disposable status - the growth is so fast most people don't keep a computer longer than 4 years, or cell phones longer than 2 - and those devices are readily obsolete by that point. The growth in performance may not continue, but the price declines/miniaturization will continue, to the point that it will become cheap enough to get small wireless nodes for various tasks, and they will become integrated with an increasing number of things. The home/office/auto integration of computers will continue as it becomes very cheap to place a computer in this or that and make it able to transmit small amounts of data to surrounding devices.

      Keep in mind that the advantages of modern society are also starting to be enjoyed by the rest of the world. Bringing portions India and China population up out of poverty and into a relatively comfortable lifestyle takes significant resources. If all that new found wealth was concentrated in America, Europe (and Japan, Australia to some extent) as it was in 1968 I'm sure we'd have a few more advances, though probably relatively little leaps in this or that

      To finish the thought, part of the reason why we probably haven't made so many advances in certain fields? Where's the motivation? Energy had been cheap, the developed world is relatively healthy until age 60+, warfare has run into a wall (there's little point in developing better bombs that if used ensure no one's happy), and to some extent much of the earlier advances were brute force attacks - a dam isn't terribly more complex than a waterwheel, whereas fusion is much harder than fission. New transportation? Well, we had air, water, land. Fundamentally different forms of transportation require very advanced physics (if even possible), faster forms of current transportation still require very advanced engineering due mostly to friction, and the amount of energy we can extract from fuel is limited by laws of thermodynamics. We also have the point that if you could have any innovation you could think of, what would it be? The average American has most of what they've desired for the past 50 years.

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    3. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by superwiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2008 Improvements over 1958, but few breakthroughs. No major new power sources. Energy costs up during this period, for the first time in 200 years. No major new form of transportation. No major improvement in space launch technology. Some progress in biotech but no major life extension. Much progress in electronics and computers. Ha? Internet is more than a major breakthrough since 1958. It's a new human accomplishment.... breakthrough only tell us about the world accomplishments are things we manage to build. Scotland is already testing a wave-energy plant. That's a new source of energy. Wind generators produce almost no noise nowadays so they have become suitable for areas closer to cities. If you don't think bypass surgery is a life extension from 1958, they you don't realize that most men died from heart attacks that weren't even diagnosed. Not to mention that cancer survival rate is above 60% today (vs 0% in 1958). Energy cost is flat when measured in real money. Dollar just happens to lose its value. When pared to gold, energy costs are flat. Segway is a major breakthrough in short-range transportation. It just isn't legal in Manhattan, so it won't take off. Cell phones and navigation systems also come to mind. You are just depressed because there hasn't been much new while the chimp has been running the country. Well, as soon as the dollar collapses and the socialist institutions go bankrupt, the pace of innovation will speed up.
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    4. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno. I think we've done pretty well over the past 50 years. In 1958 there were no modem, integrated circuit, LCD displays, microprocessor, laser, barcode, scanning tunneling microscope, videogame . No personal computers, word processors, spreadsheet, email. No internet, Wi-Fi, GPS, cellphone. No Amazon, Yahoo, Google, Wikipedia, iTunes, Slashdot. No audi cassette, VHS tapes, CDs, DVDs, MP3s, HD-TV, iPod, iPhone. No space shuttle or hybrid cars either. No halogen lamps and no LED light bulbs. No fiber tip pen, acrylic paint, perma press fabric, nano fabric, gore-tex, coolmax, astroturf, kevlar. No artificial heart, genetic engineering, Hep-B vaccine, disposable contact lens, lasix surgery, cochlear implant, MRI, Prozac, Valium, HIV protease inhibitor, RU-486, Statin, Viagra.

    5. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by able1234au · · Score: 4, Insightful

      perhaps this should be marked funny, not insightful.

      No major improvements over 1958?

      >No major improvement in space launch technology
      In 1958 explorer was launched. Sputnik was a few months old. Today, we have ion powered ships going to Pluto, rovers on Mars, trips to asteroids. An (aging) shuttle. But 2008 is much different to 1958

      > Energy costs up during this period, for the first time in 200 years
      Energy (not just oil) is not prohibitively expensive. Perhaps that will kick in later on but for now i dont see anyone suffering from lack of energy. Uses of energy has exploded. Most electronic devices have standby mode that wastes energy even when not used.

      > Some progress in biotech but no major life extension
      Perhaps i am reading irony into this that you dont mean. I think life expectancy is much higher today than in 1958. We understand that smoking is bad for you, we are introducing new medicines, address some forms of cancer, breakthroughs in DNA research, etc. I hardly call that "some progress"

      > Much progress in electronics and computers
      I suspect that the first decade of this century will be known mainly for the explosion in Internet related use. The past 50 years saw dramatic changes in communications. In 1958 there were still telephone operators in use, today we see school children with cell phones. Also the next 50 years will see changes that might be hard to guess. Perhaps we will not need to use a cell phone as we will be permanently connected to the peopleweb (tm).

    6. Re:The pace of change is slowing down. by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course it is. The removal of any serious external threat has made western civilisation lazy. Whereas before we had to be seen to be making scientific and social progress lest the masses start to see Communism as a viable alternative, there is no longer a need to do that. So, capitalism reverts to its default mode of existing solely to provide luxuries to an entrenched elite, and modern luxuries aren't that much different from those in the 1950s.

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  41. Re:oil industry collusion by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The transportation system described in TFA would be possible today, if it weren't for collusion from the oil and auto industry.

    It's easy to imagine centralized computer control of vehicles, if industry had been doing R&D on it for the last 40 years. Yes, a centralized system, designed and built at great expense with no discernible avenue of profitability, in perfect cooperation with the various levels of government that build and maintain roads, highways, and interstates, and the only reason it's not here is because the auto and oil industries have colluded to prevent it!

    Seriously, you think the auto industry wouldn't love to market a self driving car? You think they haven't been pouring millions into researching ways to make cars easier to drive, with the very definite goal of coming up with self driving cars? And why the fuck would the oil industry care that a microcontroller is steering your car instead of a human? It's still burning fucking gasoline! And who would run this magic "centralized computer" system? Take a look at the FAA and the air traffic control system and tell me with a straight face that they're capable of a feat three oreders of magnitude more complex before you say "the feds".

    Have you been smoking plastic army men, or were you just born that fucking stupid? Sure, it's "easy to imagine" such a system if you're an uneducated 'tard like yourself.
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  42. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neither, both car owners have to sue the local government. It's the next step in American Evolution!

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  43. You're selling 1958 to 2008 short by patio11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * Life expectancy measured from birth for US males is up 10 years. For some other nations the gain has been more dramatic (typically the ones who got to the development party late).

    * You know those radios, TVs, electronics, and computers? Yeah, you don't have to be a middle-class white American to own them any more.

    * There are plenty of quality of life drugs (one of the reasons for constantly increasing health care costs is that our standard of care is constantly increasing). Acne, allergies, and decline in virility as a function of age are now essentially optional. Give us another decade or three and we'll add senility to the list.

    * No major new form of transportation, but passenger air travel has been greatly democratized. Most Slashdotters can get a roundtrip ticket to Japan for a week's wages. It used to cost more than a month's. Domestic air travel is now price competitive with *bus fares* in many instances. It now strictly dominates passenger rail service in the US.

    * Improvements in efficiency in banking, of all things, means that many, many more Americans have access to credit. No need to know the loan officer, no need to pass the "Is this man a responsible Christian gentleman?" test, no direct restriction based on income, even. This would have been a fairly radical notion in 1958. This has increased home ownership (*mostly* a good thing even with the current debacle which, it bears noting, is affecting less than a 10th of homes), made life much easier for many entrepeneurs, and greatly increased access to higher education. There are some downsides (folks going into debt to get plasma TVs), but the economist in me says "Well, they have a plasma TV now, and its clear they wanted it".

    * I talk 2 hours on the phone every week to my family, across the Pacific Ocean, and pay about $10 a month for the privilege. Adjusting for inflation, that would buy less than an hour of call time to the house next door. A person from 1958 would be shocked, shocked that many phone calls are free. (I predict that a person from 2018 will be shocked, shocked that many weren't back in the dark ages of 2008! Imagine, you still pay for something as prosaic as speaking to someone in Japan! Why, its just bits?!)

    * I can send a letter to anyone in the world, instantaneously, for free. If I actually want that letter to involve paper, I can send it now (2 PM) and have it arrive at 8 AM *just about anywhere on earth, without fail, tomorrow morning* for about two hours wages.

    * In 1958, cheap prepared food was not a reality for most people. It now is. (I almost can't remember the last time I cooked, which is a little weird at the moment but I don't think this will remain weird forever. My mother remembers people sewing.)

    * Most consumer products are so cheap that replacement is cheaper than repair. (TV shorts? Pants rip? Telephone on the fritz? Buy a new one.)

    * Your main health problems are caused by an overabundance of cheap food and a dearth of manual labor taxing you every day. These are, in terms of human history, "high class problems".

  44. The one running Windows by CustomDesigned · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

  45. This reminds me of something by moco · · Score: 3, Funny

    Medical examinations are a matter of sitting in a diagnostic chair for a minute or two, then receiving a full health report. Ultrasensitive microphones and electronic sensors in the chair's headrest, back and armrests pick up heartbeat, pulse, breathing rate, galvanic skin response, blood pressure, nerve reflexes and other medical signs. A computer attached to the chair digests these responses, compares them to the normal standard and prints out a full medical report. This one goes in your mouth, this goes in your ear, this goes in your butt... no wait, wait, THIS one goes in your mouth....
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  46. Re:Where are the flying cars? by Jimmy_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where are the flying cars? I was promised flying cars!
    They're called "helicopters", and they're used in every application which justifies the added expense, noise and danger of flying.
  47. ba-dam TIIIIIISH by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Funny

    He knew my wife! I hate to break this to you, but everybody "knew" your wife.

    You might want to have yourself tested.
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  48. Re:if he was so accurate.. by rossz · · Score: 4, Funny

    We only do that to annoy the Europeans. We would have switched long ago if we weren't so amused by the confusion of international visitors.

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  49. Re:oil industry collusion by jubei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I agree that the theory of suppression by the oil and auto industries is far fetched, I do think that self driving cars could be a threat to the auto industry.

    If you have self driving cars, you only have to add a little bit of networking to achieve efficient and relatively convenient car sharing programs (think automated taxis), which would reduce the number of automobiles sold overall.

  50. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The notion of centralized control is way off.

    [...]

    instead of micromanaging everything from a single point of failure.


    The original author, back in 1968, can be forgiven for not knowing about distributed computing networks. You might consider reading up on them.
  51. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing is, assuming that you can produce reliable sensors, there's only two rules you have to follow when dealing with other cars for freeway travel, neither of which require any kind of communication with an external controller:

    1) Do not drive faster than the vehicle in front of you
    2) Do not change lanes if there is a vehicle beside you

    Both of those are trivial to handle, even at 250MPH.

    Not trivial at all. Doing 250MPH, if you have a vehicle a mile ahead of you doing 225MPH in the adjoining lane, it's not beside you or ahead of you - but change lanes and end up behind it... There's all manner of such edge cases.
     
     

    The real problem isn't ramming another car, it's finding the damn lane on the road

    Of course, that nobody has ever really specified that such things must be controlled tightly is proof positive that such things can never be controlled tightly.
  52. Rate of change 1928 - 1968 - 2008 by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Despite the fact that the year 2008 is only 40 years away--as far ahead as 1928 is in the past--it will be a world as strange to us as our time (1968) would be to the pilgrims. Actually, 2008 would probably be no more strange to a visitor from 1968, than 1968 would be to a visitor from 1928. Maybe less so.

    Architecture isn't much different from what was modern in 1968. Cars are more boring if anything. Traffic more intense. Social norms have changed, but not compared to what was considered "advanced" in 1968 (or 1928 for that matter).

    Is the rate of change increasing or decreasing?
  53. Re:Quite accurate by More_Cowbell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if I have to split the bill for lunch with friends, use PayPal to send them the money.
    Seriously? I remember when that idea was first proposed by PayPal (years ago). Like hell am I going to pay a transaction fee to give my friends money (and then have them pay another fee to receive). It's the principal of the thing.

    As far as getting cash, my banks ATMs are everywhere. I also use my debit card for any larger purchases and most places offer cash back nowadays. I personally hate the idea of walking around without some paper currency... for things like lunch with friends.

    Somewhat related, I hate using my debit card for small transactions at local businesses (like the $5.00 burrito down the street from my work); otherwise they get screwed out of their profit margin with transaction fees, and it makes tipping a pain.

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  54. It works on PRT systems by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you take the vehicle off of the regular roads and put it on a track out of the way of most of the complexity we have around us. The algorithms they're using at the moment are synchronous rather than asynchronous, it guarantees that you get a routing slot all the way to your destination without delays. You can get higher capacity using async algorithms but you run into queues and delays within the network then rather than having them outwith the system.

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  55. Re:oil industry collusion by Ponzicar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It wouldn't be a threat, quite the opposite in fact. If it becomes mandatory, everyone will either need to refit their current cars, or buy a new one. I don't see how the oil companies would come into play either. The cars would still need gas, and if they haven't stopped regulations requiring greater fuel efficiency, they wouldn't stop this either.

  56. Re:oil industry collusion by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the problem would be that cars are marketed as being vehicles of freedom. you have your own car and it's yours and you're like some cowboy or member of the a-team wandering the highways righting wrongs and smoking marlboro. if cars drove themselves, that would end.

  57. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by Dan541 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The notion of centralized control is way off. Each car (as it is now with human drivers) needs to be aware of its surroundings and behave properly in an orderly swarm fashion. Why? We have none of those things now and the roads still work.

    ~Dan

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  58. Re:Where are the flying cars? by Dan541 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyways, flying cars are a stupid idea. Three dimensional traffic would be a major headache, just ask a flight controller how they would feel about adding several billion more vehicles to the sky in order to make flying cars ubiquitous.


    If only we could invent some sort of thinking machine to rapidly process more information than the human mind could ever handle!?


    Transportation really needs to move into 3 dimensions, it's the only way to resolve congestion. Being stuck in 2 dimensions is just causing a lot of congestion and is too dangerous.

    Most people can't drive in 2 Dimensions so I fail to see how adding a 3rd is going to help.

    ~Dan
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  59. Re:oil industry collusion by Logiksan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An automated traffic system would drastically cut down on fuel consumption. If everyone was moving at the same speed, there would be no traffic to speak of, it would be like a giant sheet of ice floating across the water. Without constant deceleration and acceleration, the amount of fuel a car would consume would basically bottom out.

    Also, I tend to believe that when there aren't any more car accidents, a lot less cars are going to be sold. And when cars maintain constant speeds with minimal acceleration, the engine and other components of a car would last a lot longer, thus increasing the lifetime of every car.

    It's not that far fetched of an idea. Both industries have a vested interest in preventing it from happening.

  60. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by ajcham · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not trivial at all. Doing 250MPH, if you have a vehicle a mile ahead of you doing 225MPH in the adjoining lane, it's not beside you or ahead of you - but change lanes and end up behind it... There's all manner of such edge cases.

    It would take 2 minutes 12 seconds to run into the back of him. Surely enough time for the 'don't go faster than the car in front' rule to kick in and slow you down.

  61. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by sm62704 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got a chuckle out of the "smooth plastic roads". First, if roads were smooth it would take a LONG time to get the car stopped. And accelleration wouldn't be easy either; didn't the author ever hear of friction and its uses? Maybe he was an engineer, the one who designed the round nylon shoelaces I bitched about in that K5 article a few years ago that seem to have gone the way of the dodo (thank God). I guess eventually the short-bus engineers run over themselves with their short busses and the more intelligent ones take over.

    Secondly, the streets here in Springfield are so full of potholes it's like driving on the moon. Apparently the auto manufacturers have noticed this, because I heard a car ad that extolled "suspension for today's roads". The ad didn't say whether it's California's good, ice-free roads or the midwest's roads that are crater filled from the freeze-thaw cycle and harsh chemicals and salt used to thaw and evaporate the ice and snow.

    Don't people do any reasoning at all when they write thes articles?

    OTOH some time in high school (late 1960s) my schitzophrenic friend Tom prognosticated that some day we'd be playing records in our cars. I told him that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard; how would you keep them from getting scratched up? How would you keep them from skipping? He had no answers and didn't know why he thought so but was certain it would happen. But he turned out to be right, we now have CDs and afaik they don't make car stereos without CD players any more.

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  62. It's not the language; it's the speaker. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, English is already lacking in "flair" compared to other languages. My wife is Polish and she sometimes calls people things in Polish that amaze me. One word can mean "very ugly and old and stupid". Ok, how many English words did I just use to say the same thing? The issue is that English is a very non-descriptive language. The problem is not that English lacks sufficient words. The problem is that too many people are content to remain troglodytes (i.e. very ugly, stupid people of old) instead of embracing the wonders that vocabulary can bring.

    Regard the standard young person. Said person likely has a collection of four-letter meta-words he considers sufficient for a practical plethora of purposes. It never occurs to him that there is any reason to delve into the depths of language to find a more descriptive word. The fault, then, is not in the language; the fault is in the pathetic application of said language.
  63. Re:Auto-pilot cars @ 150 MPH by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of an article I once read in which the author recalled a time, back in the early 80s, where he had been giving a speech at an electronics convention at a hotel about how it was quite reasonable to consider that the price of simple computer chips would drop to levels trivial enough that you could put them in virtually anything. During the Q&A session, one member of the audience complained that, what were people expected to do with these computer chips? It's not like you need a computer in every doorknob.

    The same speaker came back to a conference at the same hotel in the late 90s. All of the doors had been switched over to cardkeys.

    There was a computer in every doorknob.

    Anyways, I wouldn't rule out road improvements. It's just one of those things that hasn't advanced because, currently, it's "cheap" and it's "good enough". I've seen some wild ideas for road improvements, some of which are already in practice in test strips. Like embedded LEDs that let lanes change and shoulders open or close, as well as automatically and alert drivers to the best routes to take to avoid traffic; self-heating roads that contain a combination of thin-film solar cells and ultracapacitors, printed as a single bulk unit, that feed power to the grid (translucent traction surface avoids damage to the cells); solar thermal roads that pipe away solar heat and store it in underground tanks for civilian heating applications and for road de-icing; and all sorts of other things. How well they'll hold up to regular use, who knows at this point, but I think it's silly to believe that our current road system is somehow the most damage resistant design possible.

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