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Russia To Require Registration For Wi-Fi Use

Oleg.salenko points out a ComputerWorld story with some bad news for Russia's wireless users, which starts out "Business travelers to Russia might want to keep their laptops and iPhones well-concealed — not from muggers, necessarily, but from the country's recently formed regulatory super-agency, Rossvyazokhrankultura (short for the Russian Mass Media, Communications and Cultural Protection Service)... Rossvyazokhrankultura's interpretation of current law holds that users must register any electronics that use the frequency involved in Wi-Fi communications, said Vladimir Karpov, the deputy director of the agency's communications monitoring division, according to an English commentary provided by website The Other Russia." It gets worse: "Aside from public hotspots, the registration requirement also applies to home networks, laptops, smart phones and Wi-Fi-enabled PDAs, Karpov reportedly said. Registration only permits use by the owner. Registration for personal devices is said to take 10 days, but registering a hotspot — including a home network — is more complicated, involving a set of documents and technological certifications akin to putting in a cell tower."

155 comments

  1. And... by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cue the Soviet Russia jokes in 3,2,1...

    1. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, joke cues you in 1, 2, 3...

    2. Re:And... by barius · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, Internet browses you!

    3. Re:And... by __NR_kill · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would rather cue the jokes about Soviet Australia, as the dudes from computerworld.com.au misinterpreted the function of this agency, which only registers hotspots or for-profit wi-fi networks. The end consumer is fully exempted. Here's the google translation of their article: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rsoc.ru%2Fmain%2Fabout%2F858%2F887.shtml%3Fid_news%3D628&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    4. Re:And... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, no.

      There was a splash in Russian-speaking blogs about this law. It's NOT clear what they mean by "end-user devices". It may be interpreted only as a WiFi card inside your notebook, for example. So you'll still need to register your wireless router.

      In short, that law is just a plain money-grab. And will be probably ignored by anyone: "Strictness or Russian laws is alleviated by their optionality" (sorry, it sounds much better in Russian).

    5. Re:And... by zish · · Score: 1

      Ok. I'll bite.

      Does Linux run you in Soviet Russia?

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    6. Re:And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that mean I need to register my microwave oven?

    7. Re:And... by ingo23 · · Score: 1

      The rebuttal article (http://www.rsoc.ru/main/about/858/887.shtml?id_news=628) cites a government regulation stating that any device in 2.4GHz range with transmission power less than or equal 100mW is NOT subject to registration. Google automatic translation did not do a good job on that particular piece, that might have caused the panic.

    8. Re:And... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      No. This article cites a regulation active since 2004. However the new regulation may have overriden the old one.

      The situation is far from clear. It seems, that RSOC just backed down because of the public backlash.

    9. Re:And... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, joke cues you in 1, 2, 3... Really? I thought it was, "ready, aim..."
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    10. Re:And... by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

      Bah, nobody will register and that's it. It's called an unenforceable law, like those on intellectual property.

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  2. muggers by boguslinks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Business travelers to Russia might want to keep their laptops and iPhones well-concealed -- not from muggers,necessarily,

    I'd recommend concealing them from the muggers too.

    1. Re:muggers by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Funny

      No need. The muggers would need to register the device 10 days before they can steal it. So just keep your business trips limited to 9 days.

    2. Re:muggers by HardCase · · Score: 1

      ...users must register any electronics that use the frequency involved in Wi-Fi communications...

      Extrapolating from the summary, does that include microwave ovens, too?

  3. I got one! by PhearoX · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, WiFi registers you!

    1. Re:I got one! by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      Dammit ... I wasn't fast enough.

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    2. Re:I got one! by mikesd81 · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, where did the Soviet Russia jokes come from?

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    3. Re:I got one! by rlp · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just out of curiosity, where did the Soviet Russia jokes come from?

      Origin of Russian reversal.

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    4. Re:I got one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just out of curiosity, where did the Soviet Russia jokes come from? You must be new here.
    5. Re:I got one! by Nathrael · · Score: 1

      Yakov Smirnoff, an former DSoviet Union citizen, created this kind of joke, commonly known as "Russian reversal". Because of it's popularity, it was later adapted for dozens of TV-shows, and later, also as an Internet meme.

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    6. Re:I got one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell?

    7. Re:I got one! by Noburo23 · · Score: 1

      The first time I heard this was on Laugh In 1968-73. "In Soviet Union every room have TV set, but it watches you." Arte Johnson.

    8. Re:I got one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Freaky Spook already pointed that out.

      In Soviet Russia, wifi-register.su
    9. Re:I got one! by compro01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i believe the original was "in america, you can always find a party. in soviet russia, the party can always find you."

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  4. WiFi devices by NoobixCube · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looks like everyone who doesn't register their Nintendo DS is going to be a dangerous criminal! :O

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    1. Re:WiFi devices by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Its the omnipotent bunnies they're more worried about!

      Cue thinkgeek ad.

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  5. Wait, what? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

    There's electronic devices these days that don't have wifi built in?

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by calebt3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      My flashlight doesn't have it. Yet. Gimme a few hours.

    2. Re:Wait, what? by russlar · · Score: 1

      Yes. They're called iPods.

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    3. Re:Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FAIL. The iPod touch has wi-fi.

    4. Re:Wait, what? by Chaos1 · · Score: 1

      What will it do when it becomes wi-fi enabled, post to your blog whether it's on or off?

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    5. Re:Wait, what? by calebt3 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have it check RSS feeds and blink them at me in Morse Code.

  6. Hahahahahahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Service"

    Those Ruskies. For such a cold and dour country they are one funny people...

    1. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ROFLMAO, you beat me to it. I was just wondering what service would be like. Just what can you steal? There are probably not too many Brits laughing. They have to register their bloody televisions.

      Mind you, they get a nice return on that, or used to. Not sure how good BBC programming is these days but I'm willing to wager that it has any of the major American networks beat hands down. I know there are those that like to watch television commercials, but then again, there are people that like reality television too. Go figure.

      When I was growing up (rumor has it that I have not done so yet) I read all kinds of Science Fiction books. This was before the intarwebnets and WiFi. Now, more and more, I find that I am living in one of those worlds that were known only science fiction fans.

      This sounds like an attempt to sell Russian made equipment, or the beginnings of it. Ahhhh government regulation: an attempt by the ruling to create criminals of those who are not.

      Fortunately, in most of the rest of the world WiFi devices have been given rather loose regulation to allow the development of Wireless services and functionality.

      In countries where there is no major wired infrastructure it builds revenue streams if you have to be licensed and regulated to do the work. No PC/WiFi entrepreneurs for Russia... sigh! God forbid that Russians actually communicate easily with the rest of the world.

      Personally, this makes me sad. Check http://www.englishrussia.com/ and have a peer inside what the rest of us have only just begun to appreciate and understand. The Internet is fucking awesome. I'm sad that there are restrictions on it for Russians, and Chinese for that matter.

    2. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by alegrepublic · · Score: 2, Funny

      ROFLMAO, you beat me to it. I was just wondering what service would be like. Just what can you steal? There are probably not too many Brits laughing. They have to register their bloody televisions. Mind you, they get a nice return on that, or used to. Not sure how good BBC programming is these days but I'm willing to wager that it has any of the major American networks beat hands down.
      Ha, Ha! That's wishful thinking. The American no-need-to-register PBS is pretty good, especially all those british progra... well, never mind.
    3. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Actually i think they register it for you, whenever you purchase a TV the BBC get told about it.

      Fortunatly for me i dont have have a tv but can watch BBC programing on iplayer for free.
      I think there must be some good US channels? I think the BBC also pushes up the competition, I find C4 much better, but if it wasnt for the BBC they would slump as ITV & FIVE just cant put on anything other than reality TV.

      I do worry about Russia, not allowing free access to the internet is the first step in blocking out any opposition to your government. I think Putin/sock puppet putin is looking for cold war v2, with the weakening $ and the crap loads of oil in the artic circle that they've flagged ( I mean serious whats up with that, if I develop a flag can i go into a cake shop and claim any cake I 'flag' is mine?). Either that or hes looking at china becoming a superpower and just wants to hang round Whos house When he can? either way unless the people of either of those countries see past government propaganda before they loose free speech entirely, i predict 'bad shit'!

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    4. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by zmollusc · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whenever you buy a tv, (or a vcr or tv receiver doohickey for your pc etc) the person at the till asks you for name and address for their paperwork. I believe Mr Upyours of 11 Fictitious Mews, Madeupville makes all his purchases with cash, I get all my stuff via him.

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    5. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by GauteL · · Score: 1

      "I think the BBC also pushes up the competition, I find C4 much better, but if it wasnt for the BBC they would slump as ITV & FIVE just cant put on anything other than reality TV."

      Note that C4 is also publicly owned, it is just advertisement funded instead of using license fees.

      Channel 4 has a more entertainment focus than the BBC, but they both have some very good stuff.

      ITV and Five are the two privately owned, advertisement funded channels on the analogue over-air network and as you say, they are both shite.

    6. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Mind you, they get a nice return on that, or used to. Not sure how good BBC programming is these days but I'm willing to wager that it has any of the major American networks beat hands down. It probably still beats most US networks, but as seems to be the fashion with TV these days, they've laid on several more channels without first ensuring that they have the quality material to fill those channels.

      So whereas 20 years ago you'd get maybe 8-12 hours per week of good peak-time programming divided between two channels, today you get 6-8 hours divided between four channels. (I've reduced the number of hours because Eastenders is on more than it used to be).
    7. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      And the US version of Eastenders is the Sopranos, which is also on more than it should be :)

    8. Re:Hahahahahahaha! by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      All US channels with the exception of the SciFi channel are crap. I gave up watching TV years ago and now that the cathode-ray tan has faded I find I have more time in my day and I actually care about things going on, instead of filling my head with "their fabricated dreams".

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  7. Bluetooth too? by LBt1st · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Doesn't Bluetooth use the same frequency range as Wifi?

    1. Re:Bluetooth too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, Bluetooth also uses this spectrum. In fact, so does your microwave oven. The 2.4 GHz spectrum is unregulated (probably because of microwave noise sources), so you have cordless phones that interfere with 802.11 devices that drop out when you nuke some popcorn.

      The official that came up with this idea probably doesn't have much of a technical background...

    2. Re:Bluetooth too? by enoz · · Score: 1

      Well then as well as registering their laptops and iphones they will also have to register their microwave ovens, security cameras, Bluetooth devices and (in some countries) Amateur radio, video senders, cordless phones and baby monitors. These devices all "use the frequency involved in Wi-Fi communications". (source: wifi pollution)

    3. Re:Bluetooth too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't microwave ovens use the same frequency range as Wifi? :)

    4. Re:Bluetooth too? by SiriusStarr · · Score: 1

      Don't forget gaming consoles.

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  8. How long before.. by andy1307 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How long before some idiot tells us this is no different from what we have in the US?

    1. Re:How long before.. by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not going to say it's no different, but speaking as someone who is neither American or Russian, I see having to hand my laptop over to a bunch of oafs in the airport so they can go through it as more invasive than being required to register my wifi adapter. But maybe that's just me.

      Yeah, you just keep telling yourself you live in the land of the free if that's what makes you feel good.

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    2. Re:How long before.. by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Funny

      How long before some idiot tells us this is no different from what we have in the US? This is no different from what we have in the U.S.

      /It took one hour
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    3. Re:How long before.. by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      A bit defensive aren't we

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    4. Re:How long before.. by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      It's different in that we have sections of spectrum reserved for open use, but manufacturers of devices that use those bandwith chunks must register their devices and meet certain standards of interference. So, yes, all devices are in fact registered, but not an an individual basis- and why should they be? If my device is misbehaving, is it my fault or the vendor's? Overwhelmingly, the problem is likely to be the result of inadvertent damage (lightning, ESD, etc), defect, or design induced failure (poor parts choice for profit). The benefits to per-user registration are not worth the overhead of the system, especially given the lack of real problems that occur.

    5. Re:How long before.. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      This is no different from where you are heading in the US.

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    6. Re:How long before.. by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      How long before some idiot in government makes it true?

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    7. Re:How long before.. by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 1

      That only happens when we talk about China.

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  9. Can this be abused? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it is before this could be used as a pretext for someone to be arrested and interrogated. Seems like a very easy way of putting a large amount of people into a position where they are "breaking" the allowing the government to "legally" do stuff that otherwise might be very nasty.

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    1. Re:Can this be abused? by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      Cue the Ayn Rand jokes!

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    2. Re:Can this be abused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is more likely that the police would just shake you down for a bribe. There are plenty of other laws that are impossible to follow that they could arrest you for.

    3. Re:Can this be abused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never actually read anything by Ayn Rand, have you?

    4. Re:Can this be abused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL! I think...

  10. I am high. by the+brown+guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    I REALLY apologize for my scattered thoughts, but it's 4/20, so we have been getting baked since early this morning, and I am burnt out as fuck. this isn't that big a of a deal. I mean, sure the government knows who you are, and that you have wifi access, but even then that doesn't mean they can break encrypted data. And people with stuff to hide won't register it. Shouldn't be that hard to get around it. I wouldn't be suprised if China tried this too, but they would be more worried about their economy, the russians have oil at least. What about starbucks? My native village in the northern (poor as fuck) region of Punjab, India has a few starbucks coffee shops with wifi, and if we have them, so does russia, and i seriously doubt home users will agree to this bullshit.

    registering a hotspot â" including a home network â" is more complicated, involving a set of documents and technological certifications akin to putting in a cell tower. I doubt this, because there are probably thousands of wifi hotspots per cell tower, and i just don't believe it. maybe the russians should try some of BC's finest bud, it made me stop caring about what people say. In Soviet Russia,
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    1. Re:I am high. by the+brown+guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      my bad, im still baking and i didnt finish my post.
      In Democratic Russia, internet surfs you!

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  11. Re:Yes, but... by brunokummel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but while I'm in Russia can I have sex with an underage prostitute?

    That depends if she works for the government, if so, the Soviet Russia will have sex with you .

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  12. But why? by ohtani · · Score: 0

    Why would Russia want Wi-Fi to register YOU?

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  13. Faraday Cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    time to get one.

    1. Re:Faraday Cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have had one for years. I sit in it while testing my software to make sure that there is no coupling between my brain and the microprocessor circuit that would cause or suppress bugs and unexpected behavior during testing. After all, microprocessors and tiny junctions are subject to electromagnetic fluctuations and we REIKI masters have to be careful. No matter how many times I lay hands on the hardware and it starts working again, I don't get asked back.

      At the last second I chickened out and became anonymous. I don't want to get burned at the stake, or have to explain this to my pastor now that I am born again. What would Jesus do?

  14. Wouldn't Be Wrong Either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This Rossvyazokhrankultura sounds a lot like the FCC. Although the FCC has allowed those frequencies to be open, the FCC is an American agency. Other countries don't have to follow their rules and regulations.

  15. russian by demiurgie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Almost fake story.
    1. It's not required for end-user to register his wifi enabled devices.
    2. Short range Wifi hotspots must be registered if you allow access to a third party (10 days and approx. 1000 rub for registration)
    3. "a set of documents and technological certification" required for ISPs (if you sell wifi access for profit) and for wavelength not in a/b/g range

    1. Re:russian by enoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That sounds much too logical for a bureaucrat to have come up with.

    2. Re:russian by dmitriy88 · · Score: 1

      If this is true, do we mark the article as a troll then? The list that you gave doesn't sound too unreasonable. Certainly not as crazy as the article describes it.

    3. Re:russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moreover, no end-user equipment below 100MWt is required to be used, so home wi-fi routers aren't the subject to registration, as well as bluetooth stuff, microwave ovens, etc. I wonder that quite an obscure story from Fontanka.ru is still making circles all over the Internet's surface - the rock was barely that large, actually.

    4. Re:russian by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      100 MW?

      Are they doing moon bounce with a dipole?

      That's a quarter the capacity of a moderate nuclear power plant.

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    5. Re:russian by freedumb2000 · · Score: 1

      As I am sure you can guess, he probably meant to type mW.

    6. Re:russian by jimicus · · Score: 1

      That sounds much too logical for a bureaucrat to have come up with. Indeed.

      Wild guess - not based on any knowledge of Russian politics, you understand, but based on a cynical view of most governments - it was dreamt up by a network operator which wants to establish/maintain a monopoly and they "discussed" the matter with the appropriate parties.
    7. Re:russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't agree more. The whole story seems to be a fake sensation. Here is a link to government paper that started it all (in Russian) - http://www.spbgid.ru/img/publ/rsocwifi.html. It doesn't state that one should register his Wi-Fi enabled devices but merely points to several laws and regulations which were correctly quoted above.

  16. Way to rock that old news AGAIN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to rock that old news AGAIN!

  17. They're afraid by zymano · · Score: 4, Funny

    Afraid that someone in Russia might use the internet for legitimate reasons instead of for crime.

  18. Soon in the US by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

    To ensure your wifi router provides a "fair" "net-neutral" access. Hey, it's not *your* wifi router, we live in a society don't we ? Yeah yeah, flamebait, go ahead... but it sickens me no one sees how it's the same thing.

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    1. Re:Soon in the US by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? This isn't happening in the US. All you have done is created a scenario where it might possibly happen, that doesn't mean it will. Right now the government of Sudan is killing it's own citizens. I could make up a scenario where that happens in the US as well.

      This is happening in Russia, ok? Not the US. You seem to be thinking that the US is on it's way to some sort of totalitarian government. It's not. Russia IS on it's way to some totalitarian government, and it's obvious to everyone who even remotely pays attention. The people are letting it happen too, which is why it can happen. They mostly say, "I don't like what Putin is doing, but I like the man!"

      Look at what Putin is doing in Russia and you will see a dictatorship forming. Look at what Bush is doing in America and you will see a political has-been who had a lucky run.

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    2. Re:Soon in the US by mi · · Score: 1

      This isn't happening in the US.

      It is. Search Slashdot (or anywhere else) for "net neutrality". Various activists are eager to force their own understanding of "fairness" and "neutrality" on the ISPs.

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    3. Re:Soon in the US by roto3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's a difference between ISPs, whom you are paying for access/bandwidth, and private Wi-Fi networks. The GP implies that people will be forced to open up their private networks, which is not the case and has nothing to do with network neutrality.

    4. Re:Soon in the US by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most router are private property, be they owned by a corporation or an individual.

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    5. Re:Soon in the US by mi · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between ISPs, whom you are paying for access/bandwidth, and private Wi-Fi networks.

      There is not. The hardware is privately owned, and who is paying whom for what is nobody else's business.

      The GP implies that people will be forced to open up their private networks, which is not the case and has nothing to do with network neutrality.

      Yes, yes, everybody wants the rules and regulations to apply to others — not themselves... Landlords can't discriminate on race, but I don't want to live among put race here. In many places — such as NYC — discrimination is officially allowed for owner-occupants of two-family houses, for example — because the voters wanted the law to apply to others, who are a minority. Employers shouldn't be able to fire because of political views, but I am not going to order from a pizzeria, where the owner is a Bush-supporter. Everyone else must treat all packets the same, but my router is not going to...

      What? Wait, but it is my router! I did not mean it to apply to all — only to the evil corporations, who are acting evil and corporationy (and even make money!)...

      See also NIMBY and related terms/acronyms.

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  19. beaurocracy by countach · · Score: 4, Informative


    Russia has always been top heavy in beaurocracy, even before Soviet times.

    1. Re:beaurocracy by arivanov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not bureaucracy, it is cleptocracy.

      A large portion of the certification process in Russia is run by private labs whose tactics are not that far from the law textbook definition of extortion.

      All this means is that they have gotten themselves a "men at the helm" to provide them with more income.

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    2. Re:beaurocracy by Telepathetic+Man · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I don't get that joke at all. Where's the "In Soviet Russia..." part?

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    3. Re:beaurocracy by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Russia has always been top heavy in beaurocracy, even before Soviet times. Bearocracy reminds me of this terrifying cartoon!

      http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8784/1208579998710pd8.jpg

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    4. Re:beaurocracy by upside · · Score: 3, Funny

      beaurocracy - rule by the beautiful?

      Bureaucracy

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    5. Re:beaurocracy by electrictroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Beauracracy (and the inherent corruption therein) is what brought-down the Roman Empire in the 300s and 400s A.D. Too many employees, gobbling-up too much money, and not enough taxes to support the weight.

      Our modern European and American states are heading down the same path.

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    6. Re:beaurocracy by krelian · · Score: 1

      But even they haven't managed to eliminate those who try to get their comments to the top by adding it as a reply to the first comment.

    7. Re:beaurocracy by ztcamper · · Score: 1

      What the fuck do you know about soviet russia? Much less about what was or wasn't before. "beaurocracy"? Fucking idiot.

  20. I'm so sorry for this by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia wifi-register.su

    1. Re:I'm so sorry for this by enoz · · Score: 4, Informative

      In case it isn't obvious (it wasn't immediately obvious to me), that TLD is the extension that was created for the Soviet Union. Apparently it is still in use today.

    2. Re:I'm so sorry for this by mikesd81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In fact this was a story on /. Saturday.

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    3. Re:I'm so sorry for this by Z00L00K · · Score: 1
      Yes - you can still access http://www.pravda.su/ - so it works... However - It's not the same as http://www.pravda.ru/

      One of the relics of an overturned empire...

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    4. Re:I'm so sorry for this by Rah'Dick · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia wifi-register.su That sequence of characters is a very clever and funny combination of current news with an old meme. Congratulations!
    5. Re:I'm so sorry for this by Woy · · Score: 1

      A brilliant twist, sir.

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  21. There's a problem when ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a problem when a word like Rossvyazokhrankultura is considered *short* for something. What happened to NAMBLA?

    1. Re:There's a problem when ... by Petersson · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's a problem when a word like Rossvyazokhrankultura is considered *short* for something

      It is common Russian way to create shorts. It's easier to say it when you're drunk (also common in Russia) then to spell something in Russian alphabet. Just like 'Gosgortechnadzor' or 'Khosrasschiot'.

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  22. No longer funny by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    It's just plain sad.

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  23. Another urban legend about Russia by Mitiaj · · Score: 0

    If you read comment on the mentioned article on Fontanka news agency site, you'll learn that this deputy director Vladimir Karpov just didn't properly understood the journalist' question. You have to register only powerful Wi-Fi transmitting stations, which is required in every country. It's not about personal or home equipment

    Of course, if you ask those dunderheads from Putin's former KGB circle about something, you'll always get an answer, that you have to register and to get permission to everything including breathing (a Bush Jr. dearest dream).

    Nobody really cares much about them in Russia though.
  24. Re:Yes, but... by dbcad7 · · Score: 1
    No

    I understand what you were trying to say.. but there are laws (even in Russia) against doing such things.. so your attempt fails.. and please get yourself neutered.. Thanks

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  25. It's so sad... by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Russia has so much potential, but it always slips back into authoritarian ways.  Must be the weather or something.

    1. Re:It's so sad... by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful
      If you look at history you will see that Russia's potential is most effectively realized under authoritarian governments (Czars, Stalin, Brezhnev) and mostly wasted under "democratic" rulers (Gorbachev, Yeltsin.)

      Must be the weather or something.

      It's not the weather. It's russians. Given the choice they don't work. Unlike americans, russians are not chasing the golden calf, preferring instead to have good time. Nothing gets done this way.

    2. Re:It's so sad... by initialE · · Score: 1

      Well actually, nearly every government in the world has that problem, including the USA and of course my country, Singapore. I think it's something about the way people get complacent over time. When you don't have to fight for your rights, they erode away.

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    3. Re:It's so sad... by emj · · Score: 1

      Either you are a Russian or a Racist. Maybe you're even R&R..

    4. Re:It's so sad... by thermian · · Score: 1

      When you don't have to fight for your rights, they erode away

      Yes, but when you do fight for your rights, people tend to get locked up or killed. That's not something your average armchair activist is going to be interested in. Better to rant on a web-page.

      I should point out I'm not much interested in it either. Revolutions happen, people move on, and some people end up as fertilizer, then everything goes sour again under whatever 'enlightened' group took over.

      I'd far rather argue on the web then risk getting killed any day.

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    5. Re:It's so sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a fact that authoritarian regimes have a better record (apparently) in economical development. Chile under the monster Pinochet was one example of how well it can go and India with its corruption and underdevelopment of big swaths of the country another. The Asian tigers are not exactly democracies either. The question may be - is such achieved progress worthy?

    6. Re:It's so sad... by tftp · · Score: 1

      Click on the "Homepage" link in my post and you will know.

  26. of course it will happen by russlar · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long it is before this could be used as a pretext for someone to be arrested and interrogated. Seems like a very easy way of putting a large amount of people into a position where they are "breaking" the allowing the government to "legally" do stuff that otherwise might be very nasty. dude, it's russia. of course shit like that will happen!
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  27. Re:Russia is NOT a civilized country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presumably this was revealed to you by jebus?

  28. Rossvyazokhrankultura by CharmElCheikh · · Score: 1

    Rossvyazokhrankultura (short for the Russian Mass Media, Communications and Cultural Protection Service) That's the short ? Huhu.
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    1. Re:Rossvyazokhrankultura by mpiktas · · Score: 1

      That is the way of shortening in russia. Instead of taking only the first letter, they take first syllables. Godawful stuff. Here you have Ross short for Rossia, vyaz - I cannot decipher, okhran - it is short probably for okhranitelnyj (the one who protects), kultura - whole word culture.

    2. Re:Rossvyazokhrankultura by Romwell · · Score: 1

      Here: Ros = Rossiya (Russia); Svyaz = ommunications; and the wholse mumblejumble stands for "Russian Mass Media, Communications and Cultural Legacy Protection Service"=Rossvyazohrankultura

    3. Re:Rossvyazokhrankultura by stassats · · Score: 1

      Actually Ros for Rossia, svyaz for svyaz---communication.

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    4. Re:Rossvyazokhrankultura by 21mhz · · Score: 1

      You got it almost right, only Ros is for Rossiya, and svyaz is for communication.
      Personally I find this abbreviation still too unwieldy. As is the idea that one agency would regulate communications and protect cultural matters. But this is usual bureaucratic power games in Russia.

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  29. Not true by cavaughan · · Score: 1

    This is not true. Read: Translate the following site:http://www.rsoc.ru/main/about/858/887.shtml?id_news=628

    1. Re:Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude! People can't even be bothered to read the fucking article here.

      Suggesting translating the fucking article AND reading the fucking article is so... so... hell I don't even know what it is.

      Good luck with that though.

  30. No Anonymous Coward is Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this is to be expected in a nation that once had an armed KGB agent assigned to every copy machine. And a former KGB leader who no longer holds a goverment office actually running the country (Putin).

    Hey, would this not be a good example of WHY America should be different and allow anonymity on the Net. Of course Those Who Feel They Must Control Us (i.e. Rat Basturds) will never agreed.

  31. Re:Yes, but... by Shaman007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The registration is required by commercial organisations only. Please stop the FUD.

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  32. Meanwhile at 10 Downing Street by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    Oh Noes! The pesky Russians have outdone us again! Quick, grab some more tax money and set up yet another government department to issue licenses for WIFI! No, I haven't a clue what it is either, just do it! And make those biometric things compulsory with registration while you are at it. And DNA.

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  33. While we're at it.... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, Socialism controls YOU! er...wait. amidoinitright?

  34. Re:Russia is NOT a civilized country by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    That site makes Time Cube look sane. Why is it all anti semitic websites are done by obvious raving lunatics?

    Do you YHWH is maybe driving you mad to discredit your message ;-)

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  35. Re:Do&7l by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Spam script malfunctioning, is.

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  36. Brezhnev by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you look at history you will see that Russia's potential is most effectively realized under authoritarian governments (Czars, Stalin, Brezhnev) and mostly wasted under "democratic" rulers (Gorbachev, Yeltsin.)

    Russia was in one long decline under Brezhnev. And only a few of the Czars accomplished anything, the last one was a disaster.

    It's not the weather. It's russians. Given the choice they don't work. Unlike americans, russians are not chasing the golden calf, preferring instead to have good time. Nothing gets done this way.

    Russians know that good times are only a temporary abnormality, so they might as well enjoy it as long as it lasts.

    Also, hard work is not the way ahead in society in Russia, all you accomplish is to make some gangster or bureaucrat (in Russia, they are mostly the same) happy. So either you become a gangster/bureaucrat, or you work as little as possible and spend what you have on vodka, so there is nothing to steal.
    1. Re:Brezhnev by oliderid · · Score: 1

      I had to work with Russians...Well Russian Speaking Ukrainians to be precise.

      The only thing I noticed that may work with your clichés is their subtile saccarstic humour.

      Sure the rule of law isn't perfect nor democracy. Bribes exist too (I met a pharmaceutical firm sales rep who had to pay bribes in hospitals for her products). But the situation isn't that far from Bulgaria who just joined the EU.

      They are hard workers, I witnessed it...And also pretty good at engineering challenges (I witnessed it too). I didn't notice the fatalist trait that you describe, at least not in the business (software) I work for.

      For Ukraine at least, I have got great expectations. They have the will, the knowledge and everything else to make a prosperous country. I truly wish them the best.

    2. Re:Brezhnev by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      For Ukraine at least, I have got great expectations. They have the will, the knowledge and everything else to make a prosperous country.
      I truly wish them the best. Western Ukraine is really more Polish than it is Russian.
    3. Re:Brezhnev by tftp · · Score: 1

      One comment to your observations. If you talk about people who immigrated into your country to start a new life then you are comparing apples to oranges. These people are far more motivated, and more hard-working than the rest, who remained in their native country because of many reasons. I don't want to paint those who remain with too wide a brush, but truth is that many of those who remain do so in part because they are plain lazy, or scared, or not qualified for a foreign job that would be better than what they have now... So the immigrants that you see around are not a typical sample; quite opposite, they are usually the best.

    4. Re:Brezhnev by tftp · · Score: 1
      Also, hard work is not the way ahead in society in Russia, all you accomplish is to make some gangster or bureaucrat (in Russia, they are mostly the same) happy. So either you become a gangster/bureaucrat, or you work as little as possible and spend what you have on vodka, so there is nothing to steal.

      This is very true. But there is a deeper reason why people in Russia take it easy (one of popular expressions is "work is not a wolf, it won't run away into the forest".) Russians perceive the purpose of life differently. In the West one common interpretation of purpose of life is in collecting wealth on top of wealth, until you become filthy rich, then you die. In the East one popular interpretation of the same is in living a good life, having a good family, visiting friends, drinking and having good time. In other words, accumulation of wealth is not glorified as much as it is done in the USA. There is a good foundation to that belief - people in the USSR did not need to get rich on their own to live in retirement. Once they retired they were paid generally enough money to be happy. Specifically, they never needed to buy their homes - they rented them from the state, cheaply, and food was also inexpensive. Of course, in 1980-2000 this changed in many ways, and a modern Russia may have a somewhat different philosophy, but majority of Russians lived under the USSR and retained its quiet, slow, low-stress way of living. Under-working and over-drinking is part of it.

    5. Re:Brezhnev by oliderid · · Score: 1

      I was takling about eastern (Russian speaking) Ukraine which is hardly Polish. Concerning the western part...I know the historical background and closed links between Polan and Ukraine, but they have an identity by their own AFAIK...Kiev looks hardly like Varsovie to me :-).

  37. Really going to be nice with "exotic" equipment by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    As for those who have somewhat exotic wireless hardware? I could only think of saying the Russian equivalent of "field day".

    Something says that they won't look kindly on Lightweight AP+Controller setups.

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  38. Re:Yes, but... by Chrisje · · Score: 1

    I double dare you to find a country on this globe where you cannot have sex with underage prostitutes.

    Human nature is a disaster.

  39. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no need for registration for 100mW or less power devices in Russia.
    Preiod :-)

  40. RBN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the Russian Business Network have say in the decision?

  41. Re:Yes, but... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about this one?

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  42. They've required this for cell phones for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if they still do, but you used to have to do the same thing for mobile phones.

    Used to be a real pain in the arse to get the authorisation, to the point where most people just left them behind.

  43. That's a hoax, and has been known to be for days by AndyElf · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's a hoax, and has been known to be for a few days already... http://www.iphones.ru/iNotes/2922/

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  44. what do you think you are doing?!? by ezh · · Score: 1

    Dear demiurgie, You are ruining 'feel good about themselves' mood for our users, which they get by reading completely misinterpreted 'news' about other countries that makes them look at their own and say 'oh, at least it is not THAT bad here!'. Nobody cares whether what it is actually true or not. Regards, happy slashdotian...

  45. Re:Russia is NOT a civilized country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not anti-semitic. Those are not even Jews. The Bible predict that. Jews are black. Jesus is black. Israel is illegitimate. Get over it.

    I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9).

  46. The Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to question the credibility of the information before making hasty judgements concerning the liberty in Russia. The Other Russia faction will not hesitate in making a big deal out of some rumors especially when it comes "potential threats to personal liberty" etc.
    Although today Russia may appear somewhat authoritarian in a broad political sense, when it comes to the implementation of specific policies it is much more effective then many countries of the EU.
    There is a programme of building a nation-wide wi-max network sponsored by the
    federal government. I don't think it would really make sense for them to limit the wi- fi in that case.

  47. Comparisson by eneville · · Score: 0

    When I was in Czech I noticed that most of the country's tele comm backbone is wireless and from apartment block to apartment block. I wonder just how similar this is in Moscow and other places where it is difficult to get a line plant. This could be a lot of work for administration people.

  48. False alarm. by kirillart · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here google translation of response from Rossvyazokhrankultura website: http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rsoc.ru%2Fmain%2Fabout%2F858%2F887.shtml%3Fid_news%3D628&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 In short: 1. You have to register only if you provide internet access for money. . 2. End-user Wi-fi equipment is excluded from list of telecommunication equipment required to register.

  49. Registration is futile, You will be... Annihilated by MajSh · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia routing is for trains, wifi is used to describe "water in fuel indicator" and PDA means "public display of affection". All combined - I figured we must have got the whole idea wrong... this law was probably intended to prevent pissing in trains fuel tanks to display the affection of the Russian people for that mean of transportation.

  50. xUSSR laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The metter of such laws is to make EVERYONE a dangerous criminal. Just to motivate arrests >_.

  51. There goes my password... by BountyX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn I thought Rossvyazokhrankultura was a good random string of characters....there goes my password.

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    1. Re:There goes my password... by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

      Add a number to the end...

    2. Re:There goes my password... by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

      How about 12345

  52. The Threatdown! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    Russia has always been top heavy in beaurocracy, even before Soviet times. Bearocracy reminds me of this terrifying cartoon! Damn, that would give Stephen Colbert nightmares for years!

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  53. Fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like a fake story. I have seen the explanation on the web site of the mentioned agency Rossvyazokhrankultura: http://www.rsoc.ru/main/about/858/887.shtml?id_news=628

    They say that someone misunderstood and generalized their response to a request from a journalist to clarify certain details of some particular situation.

  54. Re:Yes, but... by Fatalis · · Score: 1

    and your source for this claim is...

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  55. Re:Yes, but... by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

    And I triple dare you to find a country where you can not hack up older prostitutes and put the pieces in plastic bags into the trunk (boot if your in the UK) of your rental car.

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