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New 'Phlashing' Attack Sabotages Hardware

yahoi writes "A new type of denial-of-service attack, called permanent denial-of-service (PDOS), damages a system so badly that it requires replacement or reinstallation of hardware. A researcher has discovered how to abuse firmware update mechanisms with what he calls 'phlashing' — a type of remote PDOS attack."

242 comments

  1. Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sick of this naming phad.

    1. Re:Pharphetched naming by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I pheel it phaitphully phollows the phirst uses oph it.

    2. Re:Pharphetched naming by Kamineko · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sure as hell beats phbricked.

    3. Re:Pharphetched naming by davidpbrown · · Score: 5, Funny

      Reminds me of the European Commission

      The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU, rather than German, which was the other contender. Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had room for improvement and has therefore accepted a five-year phasing in of "Euro-English".

      In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k", Which should klear up some konfusion and allow one key less on keyboards.

      There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f", making words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.

      In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e" is disgrasful.

      By the fourth yer, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".

      During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and everivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. ZE DREM VIL FINALI COM TRU!

      Herr Schmidt

    4. Re:Pharphetched naming by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 0

      I'd rather learn Lojban.

    5. Re:Pharphetched naming by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's a bit more than a fad if it's been going on 40+ years.

    6. Re:Pharphetched naming by theeddie55 · · Score: 1

      how did you resist phirst post?
      The names are getting silly though, and we're blatantly running out of F words.

    7. Re:Pharphetched naming by Curien · · Score: 4, Informative
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    8. Re:Pharphetched naming by flosofl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, at least acknowledge the original you borrowed this from (maybe Mark Twain, most likely M.J. Yilz). http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/twain.htm

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    9. Re:Pharphetched naming by beadfulthings · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm in a lot of trouble. By those rules, by Year 5 there won't be any letters left in my first name.

      Sincerely yours,

      *

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    10. Re:Pharphetched naming by fprintf · · Score: 1

      Ok, so the idea wasn't original but the execution was just fantastic! I can just picture Herr Borg "yu vil b asimilatd"

      Nicely done!

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    11. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sick of this naming phad.

      I feel a great disturbance in the phorce, as if every fone phreak who ever wore a test set on his belt (which was the style at the time) cried out "PHAD? GET OFF MY LINE!"

    12. Re:Pharphetched naming by tsadi · · Score: 1

      yes the idea is not original, but the one GP posted is way way better than the one you linked to.

      bravo to GP if it's original composition and not copy/pasted from somewhere else.

    13. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh no. My machine is phukked.

    14. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      phoilÃ! In phiew, a humble phaudephillian pheteran, cast phicariously as both phictim and phillain by the phicissitudes of Fate. This phisage, no mere pheneer of phanity, is it phestige of the phox populi, now phacant, phanished, as the once phital phoice of the pherisimilitude now phenerates what they once philified. Howepher, this phalorous phisitation of a bygone phexation stands phiphified, and has phowed to phanquish these phenal and phirulent phermin phanguarding phice and phouchsafing the phiolently phicious and phoracious phiolation of pholition. The only pherdict is phengeance; a phendetta held as a photiphe, not in phain, for the phalue and pheracity of such shall one day phindicate the phigilant and the phirtuous. pherily, this phichyssoise of pherbiage pheers most pherbose phis-Ã-phis an introduction, and so it is my phery good honour to meet you and you may call me ph.

    15. Re:Pharphetched naming by nmg196 · · Score: 2, Funny

      > I'm sick of this naming phad.

      Yeah it's phucking stupid. The stupid phuckwits should take some time to phink of a better name.

    16. Re:Pharphetched naming by ChefInnocent · · Score: 2, Interesting



      Each time I read this, it gets easier to read the final paragraph. However, it still has at least two issues. The first is the overloading of the v with w which have different sounds. The second is that British English has about 11 non-dipthong vowels (which is really most of the issue with spelling), and the "new spelling system" (let's call it a Rechtschreibung) doesn't really address that. This of course, can also lead to the issues of sh and ch. Although if you left sh as the s symbol, you wouldn't be able to drop a letter from the keyboard. Furthermore, does Z replace th as in thin or th as in than? If it replaces both, there is not advantage to its replacement.

      Since we are inclined to speak of a Rechtschreibung, can we address issues like it's versus its? Perhaps, we can add back some of our missing pronouns (i.e. wit to mean you, I, and maybe others versus I and others, excluding you; to mean plural you). Oh, the list can go on for some time, but if we propose a Rechtschreibung, we should do it right.

      </pedantic>

    17. Re:Pharphetched naming by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      Ugh - Thaaaank you!
      I think it's time using "ph" to start "f" words goes the way of "bling bling" and wearing your pants backwards.

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    18. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about "phucked"?

    19. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cphethw, is that you!?

    20. Re:Pharphetched naming by freakmn · · Score: 1

      how did you resist phirst post? The names are getting silly though, and we're blatantly running out of F words. Oh Phooey. Wait, that's correctly done. Iph there was only an 'f' word that could describe disgust...
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    21. Re:Pharphetched naming by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      My enis thanks you.

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    22. Re:Pharphetched naming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You jackass, you made me laugh to tears in public!

    23. Re:Pharphetched naming by kayditty · · Score: 0

      <pedantic>

      Each time I read this, it gets easier to read the final paragraph. However, it still has at least two issues. The first is the overloading of the v with w, the two of which have different sounds. The second is that British English has about 11 non-dipthong vowels (which is really most of the issue with spelling), and the "new spelling system" (let's call it a Rechtschreibung) doesn't really address that. This, of course, can also lead to the issues of sh and ch. Although,, if you left sh as the s symbol, you wouldn't be able to drop a letter from the keyboard. Furthermore, does Z replace th as in thin or th as in than? If it replaces both, then there is not advantage to its replacement.

      Since we are inclined to speak of a Rechtschreibung, can we address issues like it's versus its? Perhaps, we can add back some of our missing pronouns (e.g. wit to mean you, I, and maybe others versus I and others, excluding you; gé to mean plural you). Oh, the list can go on for some time, but, if we propose a Rechtschreibung, we should do it right.

      </pedantic>
  2. I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by nauseum_dot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, I work to update the equipment at work, but at home, I just really don't care a whole lot about a $30 router.
    I can't tell you the last time upgraded the bios on a motherboard. I think it was an older P3 Dell PowerEdge because I was installing Linux on it.

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    1. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by ratbag · · Score: 2, Informative

      I updated the firmware on my Vigor 2600 router a couple of weeks back in order to enable WDS. Also seems to have improved the ADSL reliability. It was the first update I'd done to it in over a year. Also updated by BlackBerry earlier this year so that it could connect to my Mac without locking the machine up solid. So at least one person is still doing firmware upgrades...

    2. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, you probably wouldn't value a $30 router unless you were using it at the time.

      I can easily see this being an issue, if perhaps, someone attacked your router and destroyed it in the middle of a counter-strike match or a WoW arena matchup, for example.

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    3. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We're running a small IT shop and are reflashing multiple ADSL modems per week as local ISP is giving low-cost Telewell EA-501v3 modems for free when subscribing. Those boxes are probably bought en masse some years ago and all of them have ancient firmware which causes NAT to get stuck in couple weeks uptime.

    4. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      No doubt all his equipment works exactly as he expects it to.

      He would probably be outright offended if he heard about Rockbox or other projects where people are *writing* their own firmware.

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    5. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Project2501a · · Score: 1

      If i was using my router all the time, it wouldn't be a $30 router.

      as it is not: i got a cisco 1841 with an adsl module on it.

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    6. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Coopjust · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you have $30 router and a minor issue with it, the 2 minutes it takes to apply new firmware isn't a terrible inconvenience.

      And, thanks to new exploits like this, firmware upgrades may be necessary to block exploits from sabotaging your network equipment, simply maliciously (bricking) or for profit (undetectable redirects to phishing sites, attaching your affiliate ID to all ads, catching any SSN/Credit Card Number/Login going through even if it is not a phishing site.

    7. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      I just updated the firmware on my Treo...

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    8. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2

      And Im running a WRT54G with OpenWRT on it. Supports sshv2 and all the mods I wish to load on it. You paid 300$ (?) for something that does a small subset what mine does, for 1/10 the price. Sweet.

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    9. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      you should just buy Trendnet routers. They never actually offer any firmware updates. must be because the devices are such high quality to start with...

    10. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Amouth · · Score: 1

      sorry butthe WRT54G isn't what i would consider a reliable peice of hardware..

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    11. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      He paid (much more than $300, if he bought new) for the reliability. And the Cisco 1800 series definitely does do some things your WRT54G just doesn't have the horsepower for.

    12. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not just network hardware or computers.

      iPhone
      PS3
      360
      Wii
      PSP

    13. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be the WRT54GL?

    14. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Sun.Jedi · · Score: 1

      And yet, one of the first responses a HW vendor tells you is "update the firmware, update the driver".

      I've recently experienced a condition in which the firmware is beyond the kernel, so we now get tons of 'null' messages from the card, and the kernel just goes "duh".

      Yes, yes, yes, I know -- update the kernel. Response: sometimes you just can't.

    15. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's the key: Reliable Enough. We dont need 100% availability, as it requires many redundant units (akin DRBD). I just have another WRT54G if this one burns out.

      Business wise: I would go higher end as time==money. Better reliability can be afforded.

      It does what I want it to do, and it does it well. And cheap.

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    16. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Nope. Mine's WRT54G v.3

      I got it before they started using that non-linux OS on it.

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    17. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > I can't tell you the last time upgraded the bios on a motherboard

      The last time I upgraded the BIOS on a motherboard, it was a Pentium II motherboard. The update failed, leaving the motherboard unusable.

      Phreaking, phishing, pharming, phlashing, ... What's next, philching? phrisking? It appears to me that all the shift from f to ph really means is "nefarious". Or perhaps that should be "nepharious"? I'm tagging all such stories as 'phxing'. *sigh* I guess it's not quite as bad as prefixing "i" and "e" and "My" to every other thrice-becursed word.

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    18. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking in terms of the following. Im unsure what exactly the feature set of that Cisco is.

      1. SIP gateway
      2. Kismet node
      3. SSH tunnel/TOR tunnel
      4. Linux firewall (i'd rather have freebsd firewall, but oh well)
      5. IPv4-IPv6 tunnel

      more here. I doubt your cisco has that feature set.

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    19. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I've had a Trendnet ADSL WiFi router for about a year and never checked for updates. Never had any problem. It has just worked for the entire time. Should I worry? I bought it because it was the cheapest I could find at the time. (I always buy the cheapest stuff and most of the time it just works fine.)

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    20. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Dekortage · · Score: 1

      I can easily see this being an issue, if perhaps, someone attacked your router and destroyed it in the middle of a counter-strike match or a WoW arena matchup, for example.

      Umm... I'd see it as even more of an issue if you were a telecommuter and your VPN died. Corporate or government, there are many such staff.

      Of course, this will be on the new list of "dog ate my homework" excuses: "Really boss, somebody bricked my router!"

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    21. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by beckje01 · · Score: 1

      I use an old 233Mhz computer with IPCop on it and I paid nothing for it got it out of the trash. You bought something instead of hobbling a router together out of trash? Sweet.

    22. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      I flashed 3 WRT54Gs with DD-WRT: mine, my brother's, and one for my church. Of the three, two of them suddenly had all the lights come on solid one day and were completely bricked.



      Mine, fortunately, was the other one.

    23. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Is your electricity free? I bet the Linksys also uses less power than the Cisco.

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    24. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      vxworks. Ick.

      I've got a WRT54G v5, i got dd-wrt on that. Of course, it barely does anything, but it seems to be better off than with the linksys firmware. It didn't lose any functionality though, so yea.

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    25. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I have this argument with the "engineers" where I work all the time. In my experience, I've found very little difference between consumer-grade equipment and carrier-grade equipment as far as reliability goes. If anything, there seems to be a bit of an edge to the consumer-grade equipment.

      On my home network, I have one server that I built from commodity hardware that has been running 24/7 for over six years. A second server ran 24/7 for about seven years before the motherboard finally gave up the ghost. I have a very, very old Linksys WAP-11 that has been rock solid since I acquired it (used) about five years ago.

      At work, we use Linux-based routers that are built on PC hardware in 1/2U, 1U and 4U cases; the 4U model is the only one with any redundancy whatsoever. We have used these routers since before I started working here (so at least three years, maybe longer than that), and in that time we have had one failure out of something like 100 units. One of these routers had over 900 days of uptime when we finally rebooted it (for a firmware upgrade, incidentally) almost six months ago.

      I'm with Creepy Crawler on this one -- if you need reliability, buy two of them. It will still cost less than the "reliable" hardware, it will outperform the "reliable" and at least as far as I can tell, it will often last longer than the "reliable" hardware, as well.

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    26. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Amouth · · Score: 1

      oh i understand.. i use a wrt54g at home.. but you can't knock someone or insult them for not going the cheap route.. everyone has their reasons..

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    27. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meh. Cisco doesn't have a lot of horsepower either, unless you want to pony up for their really big iron. If you want horsepower, buy a micro-ATX motherboard and a compact flash drive, put a really slimmed down Linux distribution on it, run IPTables to firewall your network and use Quagga to do any routing you need. You'll blow away any Cisco box you can afford, and have ten times the flexibility to boot.

      Not that comfortable with doing it yourself? Buy an http://www.imagestream.com/ImageStream Envoy or Transport, then. It'll cost you a little more (I think a brand new Transport is about $800, but the Envoy is a lot less), and it'll smoke any Cisco up to 3-5X the price :)

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    28. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I dont know as much about DD-WRT... I've only had experience with OpenWRT as it uses a modular architecture (like apt).

      Uptime ~= 500 days (its one of 2 on UPS, server is other)

      I just treat it like any other linux machine and all my tunneling needs are set. IIRC, I dont believe Cisco supports sshv2 tunneling :(

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    29. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I thought about the same thing (rolling my own) but I was looking at too much hardware cost compared to what cheap "circuit city" gear goes for.

      I was honestly looking at these:

      micro-atx or laptop motherboard with accompanying ram (512MB)
      some sort of case, or I could make it myself
      cf card reader and card (I use majority sd cards)
      power supply to provide proper voltages
      4+port switch with uplink sense (there was one that auto-sensed any port. that was cool.)

      I just didnt have that kind of equipment on me at that time. Also, looking for a mainboard/PSU/memory that are all compatible stink. In the end, I went with the linksys WRT54g for one other very special reason: 12VDC

      12 volts? Why? I'm a ham operator and have live, marine-gel-cell batteries live and trickle charging. I also have a car battery at full power I use when I need "remote power". I literally can interface my linksys to a home-made serial to my 2 meter radio (or 70 cm, or other freq's) to either give position information or packet. I think gumstix were the only other 12VDC machines, and I consider them truly underpowered, but they are good for sensor nets.

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    30. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by fataugie · · Score: 1

      The new Chinese counterfiet Cisco's do. They need the extra security when transmitting their captured data securely.

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    31. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Looks like you found a good fit for your needs then :)

      I was arguing more with pleappleappleap than you, who was recommending Cisco over the WRT54g. Personally, I think Cisco is overpriced and underpowered.

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    32. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by nauseum_dot · · Score: 1

      I think it comes down to cost vs. benefit; which, I should have mentioned that in my first post. At work we run all Cisco/Occam/Fujitsu gear for transport because uptime and security is important, but when I get home, the crappy Belkin in the corner works.

      At work, I get paid to care. When it comes to helping my parents, etc. I do my best with their equipment, but I am not on top of their latest bios for their Dell PC nor my own (crappy) pc. I would rather spend my time programming for the sake of learning, spending time with my gf, working out, reading, etc.

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    33. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by maxume · · Score: 1

      The good news is that I was making a cheap joke.

      I upgrade firmware if I think I need to (Upgrading a cheapo mp3 player I had made it go from 10 freezes a week to a couple a year).

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    34. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      I've found very little difference between consumer-grade equipment and carrier-grade equipment as far as reliability goes. If anything, there seems to be a bit of an edge to the consumer-grade equipment.

      I don't think the word you are using means what you think it means.

      Verbatim quote from wikipedia:
      Carrier-grade is a term for public network telecommunications products that require up to 5 or 6 nines (or 99.999 to 99.9999 percent) availability, which translates into between 30 seconds (6 nines) and 5 minutes (5 nines) of downtime per year. The term "5 nines" is usually associated with carrier-class servers, while "6 nines" is usually associated with carrier-class switches.

      From the rest of your post I take it that you're trying to compare "consumer" hardware with "server" hardware, based on anecdotical evidence. Ofcourse you have a point, "buy two" is a legit approach to availability and it's done that way even in the high end. Nonetheless even when you "buy two" it's normally more cost effective to buy from the midrange than aiming for the very low end. The keyword is maintenance cost. You really want two PSUs per box, hot-swappable harddrives and fans because these components *will* fail multiple times during the lifespan of your typical server.

      The idea is to keep the rate of incidents per machine as low as possible. If your ~100 hosts really have no second PSU and you haven't swapped a single fan or disk in the last 3 years then I predict a very interesting year for you, starting sometime in the near future.

      I have an anecdote, too:
      One of our customers (with, until then, a similar attitude) was just recently taught his lesson by having a batch of single-PSU HP pizza boxes fail in rapid succession. Needless to say they're now happily paying the markup for half-decent machines with minimum redundancy because failover is more expensive than routine maintenance unless you're big enough to have n+1 clustering and automatic failover already built into your systems.
    35. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by richlv · · Score: 1

      but you can have most of that redundancy with cheaper boxes, for example, from supermicro.
      and supermicro support has been far superior than hp in my experience...

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    36. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by VanessaE · · Score: 1
      There's a reason people use encryption for stuff like that. Seems to me that only a moron would willingly let SSN, credit, login, bank info, or anything else remotely sensitive go over the wire in the clear like that. Sure, a case could be made for the absolute n00b who knows nothing of people who snoop on their connections, but then again, those same n00bs could be targeted regardless of the presence of any security holes on their router.


      Let the crooks just try, they'll get nowhere (unless you're using Windows, then you're just asking for trouble).

    37. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      I didn't make any recommendation per se, I was just mentioning that the WRT54G is not a panacea: there are things the 1800-series does better. You may not need those, but if you do, the device is available.

    38. Re:I had no clue people still upgraded firmwares. by pleappleappleap · · Score: 1

      It has all those (except for the Linux part, but that's a red herring), and can carry a sizeable BGP feed and talk DECnet and ATM and do all sorts of other stuff the Linksys doesn't even try doing.

  3. Read-only switch by ettlz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...or jumper. How much more would that cost?

    1. Re:Read-only switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      more than nothing

    2. Re:Read-only switch by rthille · · Score: 1

      My board (VIA EPIA EN-15000G) already has a jumper you have to set to flash the bios. You can make bios configuration changes, but not flash the bios. Not sure how the division is accomplished (perhaps the bios config is in battery backed static ram), but it seems to work. I don't know that I would completely reject a board without that feature, but it certainly would be a strike against it.

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    3. Re:Read-only switch by junics · · Score: 1

      For some reason my old computers have exactly this... I wonder why :)

    4. Re:Read-only switch by marxmarv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About two cents in quantity, plus a penny to drill the hole and stuff the part. Plus six or seven cents for the AND gate on the write line. Times several million.

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    5. Re:Read-only switch by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Flashing requires you to latch open and rewrite the actual ROM/PROM/whatever the BIOS is on. BIOS configuration is stored in the CMOS chip.

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  4. Bricking by ThrudTheBarbarian · · Score: 5, Funny

    FINALLY! *This* is bricking

    1. Re:Bricking by hostyle · · Score: 3, Funny

      +1 Architectural

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    2. Re:Bricking by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes it is, in a sense, but at least in the case of a PC all one would need do is replace the BIOS physically. Not a very difficult fix for any tech savvy person.

    3. Re:Bricking by MagicM · · Score: 1

      I propose we call it "phricking".

    4. Re:Bricking by SpinyManiac · · Score: 1

      It's even easier if you have a backup BIOS.
      DualBIOS

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    5. Re:Bricking by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not a very difficult fix for any tech savvy person with surface mount device reworking equipment - or a soldering iron, a steady hand and a great deal of faith in their ability (or practical experience) to rework SMDs with the wrong kit.

      FTFY

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    6. Re:Bricking by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Not sure about your PC's, but every one of mine has an easily removeable BIOS that requires none of that. Even if it did, what tech savvy person DOESN'T know how to desolder a chip and pop in a new one. I didn't say it would be easy for the average Joe.

    7. Re:Bricking by Intron · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a hardware guy and I haven't attempted to solder a SMD by hand in the last 10 years. Typical flash memory pin spacing is 0.5mm. I drink way too much coffee for that.

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    8. Re:Bricking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about when the BIOS is soldered in place?

    9. Re:Bricking by jonadab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not very difficult *if* you have the replacement part, with a good BIOS on it. Which is probably only available bundled on another motherboard of exactly the same model and revision...

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    10. Re:Bricking by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Can you even buy replacement BIOS chips anymore? Are they cheaper than a replacement motherboard?

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    11. Re:Bricking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't generally need the same bios, just a compatible eprom. You can use hot flashing to fix the bios in the one that is broken. I have successfully done this once when a flash went awry. I have another, significantly different computer that had a similar eprom and was able to reflash the messed up eprom in it and then put it back in the messed up machine.

  5. thank you for another buzzword by mambosauce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    interesting research, but we should browbeat the research for calling it phlashing

    1. Re:thank you for another buzzword by aproposofwhat · · Score: 5, Funny

      nah - his tool's called PhlashDance, which made me go all warm and fuzzy at the thought of Jennifer Beals stamping on my fimware in her heels :P

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    2. Re:thank you for another buzzword by SargentDU · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree! phlashing sounds like flashing! Stupid to use something that is phonically identical for different outcomes.

    3. Re:thank you for another buzzword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      nah - his tool's called PhlashDance, which made me go all warm and fuzzy at the thought of Jennifer Beals stamping on my fimware in her heels :P Hmmmm... What a pheeling.
    4. Re:thank you for another buzzword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean phirmware?

    5. Re:thank you for another buzzword by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Makes sense, though. Phoenix's BIOS flash tool is called PHLASH.EXE.

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    6. Re:thank you for another buzzword by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      What does this have to do with Jennipher Beals?

      Can't she live her liphe without some geek phools drooling over her old philms when some phorsaken loser starts publishing this crap about how to do what viruses were doing to PC motherboards phour to eight years ago?

      Seriously, pholks, if you've never heard of malware bricking a PC motherboard by phlashing the BIOS with a corrupt image (or just random bits), then you've not been a PC enthusiast for very long.

      The line to hand in your geek cards (and possibly get new ones issued without the "PC geek" endorsement if you still qualiphy in other areas of your liphe) phorms to the lepht.

      (Yes, I know it's normally only initial "f" that switches to "ph", but I had to throw it in the middle phor this post. I couldn't resist.)

    7. Re:thank you for another buzzword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah - his tool's called PhlashDance, which made me go all warm and fuzzy at the thought of Jennifer Beals stamping on my fimware in her heels :P

      Given the existence of crush fetishists and by applying applying Rule 34, it follows that there probably is a website out there that features women in high heels flattening EPROMs and other DIP chips, and if there isn't, there probably will be one tomorrow.

      ~~~ ...and in our next video, Jennifer dons this pair of black pumps adorned with an Apple button. The 8086's 40 legs flex ever so slightly as she rests the sole of the shoe against the smooth surface of the 30-year-old ceramic package. She smiles wickedly and says "Segmentation is for WORMS!" before squashing the Intel chip into something that resembles a flattened centipede. Real-time and slo-motion replays are included with all our videos... ~~~

      Original inspiration: XKCD, safe for work.

    8. Re:thank you for another buzzword by operagost · · Score: 1

      Geez, dude: say it, don't spray it!

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    9. Re:thank you for another buzzword by treeves · · Score: 1

      I agree.
      What's this about IE having fishing website detection?
      Does that mean finding keywords like trout, bass, salmon, steelhead, sinker, lure, etc.?

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  6. In Italy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Italy a big ISP gave ADSL modems with default password and active administrator wan access...

    1. Re:In Italy by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hell, my ISP does the same thing now. The phone support tech freaked out when I told them I was in the modem's management console. Apparently, you're not supposed to upgrade the firmware on your own.

      And no, I'm not going to tell you who my ISP is. :D

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    2. Re:In Italy by the_bard17 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that Time Warner is handing out Netgear WGR614v7 routers... or so they appear. Look closely, and the model number has a -VC or something close to it appended.

      Try to upgrade the firmware off Netgear's website, and the normal WGR614 firmware doesn't apply... the router kicks it out, saying that the firmware's for the wrong device.

      P.S.: I'm doing this from memory, so I may have the wrong model number listed above. My apologies if so.

    3. Re:In Italy by Uncle+Focker · · Score: 1

      Comcast?

    4. Re:In Italy by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      No, but the fallout from that would be hilarious, wouldn't it?

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  7. How is the mechanism exploited? by Coopjust · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it possible to exploit firmware from the outside, unless the person has enabled remote management and is using the default password?

    Those two rarely go hand in hand.

    However, I think we'll see a lot of trojans with firmware payloads. How many people use the WRT54G? And how many access points are unsecured with the name "linksys"? Those people probably didn't change their admin password.

    Simple solution: Hardware button. You have to press it to flash the router, and you have a minute after you press it to upload the firmware. Should be an easy thing to do and provide a great amount of protection.

    1. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      Well there must be some way to get the root password - I suspect that social engineering or a bad seed may be the culprit for that - then it's just a matter of running a program.

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    2. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by kalirion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would flashing even be allowed through remote management? My router comes with instructions to not even risk flashing through a wireless LAN connection, much less the whole big world wide net.

    3. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by deroby · · Score: 1

      Why would a trojan want to lock itself inside a LAN in the first place...

      "Hey look, I infested this machine, let's make sure I can get not to another one !"

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    4. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by Coopjust · · Score: 1

      A flash could put firmware that redirected to phishing sites, added affiliate IDs to banner ads, or do other things beyond bricking...

    5. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by deroby · · Score: 1

      agreed, but that's not what the headline implies.

      Modifying router firmware to allow for all kinds of mal-ware has been featured on /. many times before ...
      Destroying said hardware seems to be a first ...

      (off course I did not read the article...)

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    6. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by winphreak · · Score: 1

      The WRT54G's maintenance mode (when you hold the reset for 30 seconds) only allows for firmware to be uploaded. If they simply remove the remote firmware upload, then your idea is not so far-fetched.

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    7. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would flashing even be allowed through remote management? My router comes with instructions to not even risk flashing through a wireless LAN connection, much less the whole big world wide net.

      There is a big difference between your cheap linksys router and a real router.

      Do you have any idea how many millions of devices are managed remotely? Lots of routers do remote updating very well over SSH/SSL (eg Cisco, Juniper) with rollback in case something goes wrong.

      If you took that away you need a tech to get up off their ass, drive to the hosting facility (or buried router/switch/DSLAM), and do the update in person. The cost adds up rapidly.

    8. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Which side of the router is someone who is leeching your WiFi on?

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    9. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Let's see...what motive could anyone have for DoSing a network connection?

      Suppose a radical environmentalist decides to brick the router(s) providing connectivity to Exxon's public web server(s)?

      Maybe two small town business rivals are about to launch competing products this summer, and one decides to brick the other's router the morning they both announce their new offerings?

      What if organized crime wants to extort "protection" money from a bank, and threatens to take down their web portal if the bank doesn't comply?

      These are just off the top of my head; I'm sure there are more/more plausible possibilities.

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    10. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it has instructions that tell you it's a bad idea, it doesn't have any protection to keep you from trying to upload new firmware via wireless.

    11. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by grcumb · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to exploit firmware from the outside, unless the person has enabled remote management and is using the default password?

      The latest research seems to indicate that it is indeed possible to exploit weaknesses in network card firmware - or any card on the PCI bus - to traverse firewalls.

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    12. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by el+americano · · Score: 1

      My router comes with instructions to not even risk flashing through a wireless LAN connection

      It must not have enough ram to hold the whole image. So, it starts flashing on the fly, and any interruption is fatal. This is a cheap router we're talking about, right?

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    13. Re:How is the mechanism exploited? by Technician · · Score: 1

      Why would flashing even be allowed through remote management?

      This is common on leased and subscription based stuff where you are not the owner even when you think you are.

      This remote intentional bricking is not new. The only part new is spoofed sources for the updates and bricking by a third party instead of the owner.

      Refrence.. Sure;

      http://www.satisfied-mind.com/directv/news/articles/Hackers.htm
      http://www.securityfocus.com/news/143 Remote bricking article from 2001

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  8. New word overloading by will_die · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    You know it is getting bad when you create a stupid word like phlashing and it is already being used to indicate "Flash-based phishing sites".

    For those wondering why you would need to seperate types of phishing sites, according to Netcraft(and yes Netcraft said they are increasing)

    Attackers have begun using Flash animation to create spoof sites as a strategy to defeat automated anti-phishing services, which scan the text of a page in search of suspect phrases (brands of financial institutions, for example) that may identify it as a phishing scam. Phishers previously shifted from HTML to Javascript to make it harder to analyze a page's source code, and the use of Flash represents the next step in this evolution.
    1. Re:New word overloading by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Funny
      Just another reason not to use Flash or even have it installed on your system.


      This is why, Flash must die!

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    2. Re:New word overloading by rumith · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hey. You and the GP are sort of off-topic. Could you at least read the damn summary please? The story has nothing to do with Adobe Flash, it's about modifying firmware thus causing obvious discomfort to the victim.

    3. Re:New word overloading by maxume · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Please don't be the topic police. You and I are contributing even less to the thread than they did.

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    4. Re:New word overloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which thread?

  9. That's the best they could come up with by Zerth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Phlashing? And he calls his demo code PhlashDance? Good way to make this seem completely silly. "Damn it, we've been phlashdanced!" That'll really get management to up your security budget, if they ever stop laughing.

    It figures that when "bricking" might be remotely appropriate, they pick something worse.

    It could have been remote bricking, BOIP(brick over IP), brick-and-run, packet bricking, warbricking.

    Even brick-o-gram(landshark).

    Sigh...

    1. Re:That's the best they could come up with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:That's the best they could come up with by trongey · · Score: 4, Funny

      It could have been remote bricking, BOIP(brick over IP), brick-and-run, packet bricking, warbricking.

      Even brick-o-gram(landshark). I vote for Brick-rolling.
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    3. Re:That's the best they could come up with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "I Love You" virus was also a silly name but caused much damage to networks, huh???

    4. Re:That's the best they could come up with by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      I vote for Brick-rolling.

      Or maybe... phlashdotting?
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    5. Re:That's the best they could come up with by Orbijx · · Score: 3, Funny

      We're no strangers to v4. You know ipchains, and so do I. A full traceroute's what I'm thinking of. You wouldn't ping it with any other guy. :)

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    6. Re:That's the best they could come up with by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Some ASUS motherboards have a BIOS that talks during POST. If you're going to brick-roll the board, you could do something more interesting than 0's or random numbers with all of those bits. How about a small codec and some music.

      How would Rick get his royalties from this? Think of the artists!

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    7. Re:That's the best they could come up with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you see it, you'll shit bricks

    8. Re:That's the best they could come up with by BrunoUsesBBEdit · · Score: 1

      That made beer come out my nose.

  10. Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a targeted attack against a commercial venture any support team worth their salt will do patching as part of routine maintenance - don't we guys'n'gals? As an attack against mom and pop PCs there are so many hardware variants that any one piece of malware will have a very limited target.

    To me this looks like talking up a non existent problem - but I'm open to persuasion otherwise.

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    1. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 1

      To me this looks like talking up a non existent problem - but I'm open to persuasion otherwise.

      What if one were able to upload firmware from device type A, a certain DVD-Writer, to device type B, a CD-ROM? I realize it isn't the best example, but wouldn't having the wrong firmware type (not just a different hacked version of the same type of drive) completely brick that hardware? From that standpoint, I don't think the firmware would have to be "targeted" per se.

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    2. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      To me this looks like talking up a non existent problem - but I'm open to persuasion otherwise.

      What if one were able to upload firmware from device type A, a certain DVD-Writer, to device type B, a CD-ROM? I realize it isn't the best example, but wouldn't having the wrong firmware type (not just a different hacked version of the same type of drive) completely brick that hardware? From that standpoint, I don't think the firmware would have to be "targeted" per se.

      The whole idea is that you write some sonsense to the flash memory thus rendering it unusable. Writing firmware from some other device or writing just a bunch of random numbers doesn't make a difference. But yes, hardware has to be "targeted" specifically. You see, there is no unified way of accessing the flash firmware. Most motherboard manufacturers have completely different implementations from each other, optical media is also accessed very different from motherboards, not to mention the differences between different models and manufacturers and so forth...

      One could of course create a program that detects f.ex. which manufacturer's motherboard you are using and then take the necessary steps to flash the firmware but then you'd still have to create atleast a dozen different implementations.

      As for the article..this is NOTHING NEW! There has been such malware/viruses in the wild even before that could brick certain motherboards in use. The word used for such attacks has been "bricking", so why invent some new and "cool" word for it now all of a sudden?
    3. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      As a targeted attack against a commercial venture any support team worth their salt will do patching as part of routine maintenance - don't we guys'n'gals? The problem is that this isn't a targeted attack, it's a fuzzer.
      If there are overflow issues in your code, allegedly, this will trash your firmware.

      To me this looks like talking up a non existent problem - but I'm open to persuasion otherwise. It's a problem because it goes back to the truly malicious days of the 80's and 90's where the goal wasn't to own someone's computer, just to destroy and disrupt. This could kill your graphics card, sound card, network card, bluetooth, cd/dvd drive, etc etc etc.

      And it isn't a quick solve, because it will require the people writing firmwares to write (at a minimum) a non-exploitable password prompt... that doesn't keep a default password.

      I've been waiting for the pendulum to swing back towards wanton destruction, because IMHO, that is the only thing that will bring truly robust security to computers.
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    4. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Missing_dc · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a targeted attack against a commercial venture any support team worth their salt will do patching as part of routine maintenance - don't we guys'n'gals? As an attack against mom and pop PCs there are so many hardware variants that any one piece of malware will have a very limited target.

      To me this looks like talking up a non existent problem - but I'm open to persuasion otherwise.


      If the trojan carried the payload onboard, sure, the target audience would be small. However, if the trojan read the PC info, and the downloaded bad firmwares from an external site or database of them, and then bricked your broadband device, your router, your dvd drives, your soundcard, your video card, your raid array, then your MB, we could say you got phukked.

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    5. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a problem.
      Think blackmail of our modern botnet age + Unsuspectedly infected PCs/Server.

      If you don't pay, they brick your equipment. Which is far more problematic.

      Or even worse! A suicide cult botnet(scBotNet). A stealth program net that infects PCs/servers botnet style. And on a preset day or koolaid signal. The entire botnet commits a mass bricking.

    6. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 1

      Thanks

      A clear and concise explanation. I was open to persuasion and you have persuaded me.

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    7. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by cryptodan · · Score: 1

      I dont think they are targeting say individual personal computers, but they maybe targeting the routers that are present at key places in the network. Imagine infecting a major router in say Washington DC and essentially shutting out all traffic from people who live within Washington DC.

    8. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by Obsi · · Score: 1

      sh-3.1# kill -s SIGOHHYEAH 1
      Sorry, couldn't resist when 'koolaid signal' was mentioned.

    9. Re:Surely this isn't that much of a problem by douochrti · · Score: 1

      The problem I see here is that there will be someone out there who will try to exploit it just for its newness. It will be sensationalized and cause the casual user to panic. After all, how many casual users ever check their firmware for updates.

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  11. This is new? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure I remember stories about viruses that could destroy hardware, by doing things like making the drives seek in "funny" ways (past the edge of the disc or something?) or driving wired-together pins to opposite voltages. Those sound *really* permanent, where a bad flash can be fixed by anyone with the proper equipment (JTAG programmer) unless it does that same sort of thing.

    1. Re:This is new? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure I remember stories about viruses that could destroy hardware, I remember stories about viruses that could infect the computer human user.

      I didn't believe in them, though.

    2. Re:This is new? by MilesAttacca · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed, early Commodore PETs reportedly suffered a "killer POKE" via their BASIC.

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    3. Re:This is new? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure I remember stories about viruses that could destroy hardware, I remember stories about viruses that could infect the computer human user. I didn't believe in them, though. Sure, but these at least are believable if you don't have the spare resources to provide proper encapsulation for the interfaces to your hardware. The OS shouldn't be able to drive a bus while some other device is talking on it, but sufficiently dumb/cheap driver hardware might not prevent this.
    4. Re:This is new? by kvezach · · Score: 1

      I remember stories about viruses that could infect the computer human user.

      It's called an e-mail chain letter or virus hoax, and infects the minds of gullible users.

    5. Re:This is new? by lz2pt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      God, this is going back,

      In the good old DOS PC days when 10Mb hard disks were 'big' and 'Stoned' was probably the only wild virus ever found on the lab machines..

      There was an issue wrt Stoned I think, or some other virus of the time whose name escapes me, its final action was to zap the old MFM hard disks via some low level init call, but, this wasn't fatal as we could get the info back off them with a bit of faffing, however, the first generation of those new fangled IDE disks, the same init call permanently screwed the disks.

      It killed a number of expensive large (40Mb) hard disks back then in the lab..thanks mainly to one serial offender who disabled the virus scanners on these new machines when they stopped him running infected code off floppies. (don't ask, the guy was a serious pain..)

      I also remember a fun summer spent manually repositioning the heads on a bunch of MFM drives by trial and error which had 'gone faulty' after virus infestation, turned out there was a small grub screw which worked loose on an optical interrupter on the head positioning motor shaft if the drive was particularly hammered (lots of seeks over a short period of time etc). There was an opening of the case and a lot of twiddling and adjusting whilst watching the position of the heads over the platters (not carried out in a clean, dust free environment I hasten to add). As that was one brand of HD, I doubt it was a targeted effect of a virus though, just bad design.

      My memory is vague on this, as I was more hardware design and Sun support..

    6. Re:This is new? by Uncle+Focker · · Score: 1

      But I was just trying to help that poor Nigerian get his gold out of the country! :'(

    7. Re:This is new? by Lvdata · · Score: 1

      it is the BLIT, at http://www.ansible.co.uk/writing/c-b-faq.html PLASHING for Humans.

    8. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes every family has a JTAG programmer laying handly around.

    9. Re:This is new? by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      No, but they're not that expensive. If we get an actual in-the-wild piece of malware that does this, I'd expect decent PC repair shops to start keeping one around.

  12. Nothing to see, move on folks. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Informative

    The link does not tell us how to attack and render all computers in [insert your favorite evil company here AAPL,MSFT,GOOG]. Just some research guy jaw boning what could be done. So technically there is nothing worthwhile for the slashdot crowd.

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    1. Re:Nothing to see, move on folks. by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Survey said! bzzzzzz wrong.

      It is of interest. Think about it. If you wanted to do damage to company xyz, you social engineer the information for what PCs they are using, the CD hardware etc., routers, blah blah blah... then silently release a worm or virus that redirects them to your special webpage. brick brick brick brick until their productivity grinds to a halt.... if some get bricked for the CD, others for the motherboard, others because of routers... it matters not. What is being shown is that it is POSSIBLE to do this.

      In this day and age, shame on your for dismissing it as not possible. May your body rot next to that of the designer of the Titanic. If it can happen, it will, and probably already is. I could write a virus that is undetected, and does nothing but look for people who have a bill.gates in their address book, and upon finding one, sit patiently, wait till idle time, then delete the oldest .xls file on the hard drive. Repeat that once every rand(x) number of days. lather, rinse, repeat.

      Perhaps your virus waits till it sees acks from 40 other machines on the same LAN segment, then they all start bricking things?

      This *IS* of interest. Welcome to Tuesday.

    2. Re:Nothing to see, move on folks. by bot24 · · Score: 1

      The link does not tell us how to attack and render all computers in [insert your favorite evil company here AAPL,MSFT,GOOG]. Why would you want to render all the computers? Are out to embarrass them?
  13. Proof of concept by Malevolent+Tester · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Sir, I am the former son of the Nigerian dictator Sonni Abacha. I would like to give you several million dollars. To receive this, please add a static IP to your D-Link router and reboot it.

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  14. I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He used to be able to turn any working piece of kit into a piece of metal art in about 20 seconds, EVERYTHING was always a BIOS issue and he would NEVER check with anyone before replacing the BIOS.

    Lets be clear about how dumb this person was, he had a BIOS that worked on his test servers and would then apply that to all the other servers INDEPENDENT OF HARDWARE OR OS. He would then start the machines (which of course wouldn't start) declare them "broken" and say the issue was with the software.

    We did some low level hardware stuff in our software and it did break the boxes sometimes so it took 2 months of painful testing and debugging which found nothing, it only came about because one of the team had a heavy night and decided to "rest" in the server room and saw the moron apply the BIOS to a server that had been running and then scurry out to blame the team again.

    Basic rule after then was BIOS set to read-only and locked down with a secure password, to this day my BIOS has a password thanks to the sheer physical shock of realising how dumb some people can be.

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    1. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by kalirion · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's sounds like a good submission to The Daily WTF.

    2. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

      I always assumed that the flash updating programs would have lock outs to prevent someone from uploading an incorrect BIOS image when flashing the hardware. This would prevent people from flashing things, bricking their own hardware, and then trying to return it under warranty.

      I add that feature to the embedded hardware that I design ...

    3. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative

      The production kit did when it was shipped but not the stuff that was in our test environment (different from the Sys Admin test environment) we just hadn't realised that our fellow employees were more stupid than any of our clients could ever hope to be.

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    4. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I cant get a sysadmin job, why?

    5. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The really clueless are often too afraid to break it to do anything dangerous. It's the semi-skilled people that are really dangerous, just enough to know such things as to flash a BIOS yet completely oblivious to any problems that might cause. They're the kind that'll disable the anti-virus and firewall if you let them, because it blocks whatever important thing they're doing. If anyone ever feels the need to utter "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" it's time to duck and take cover.

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    6. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by Uncle+Focker · · Score: 1

      You're overqualified.

    7. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always figured that the old compaq recovery cd's were a perfect vector for an exploit of this type.

      step 1, flash the bios
      step 2 copy bios to the hard drive
      step 3 push the image from the recovery set to the hard drive.

      nasty use... run the cd in any computer other than the one it was designed for ....

      its almost as bad as those "free" AOL cd's that were everywhere for years...

    8. Re:I used to work with a Sys Admin like that by kesuki · · Score: 1

      It never ceases to amaze me... I know some people are very skilled at lying, they get their jobs not through education, but rather through lying, cheating, and stealing all the way to the top, but... seriously, a sysadmin flashing machines for no reason... and then claiming the software broke the machines...

      wow, I would wager money that guy got through whatever training that qualified him for a sysadmin position though cheating and lying...

      I learned what a bios was shortly after i started building my PCs from parts ordered over the net, rather than pre-assembled OEM machines... and I never, never felt the desire to casually flash bioses....

  15. YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, as the parent said, this is bricking. As much as this term gets thrown around slashdot, you don't use it to describe actual bricking??!?!?!@!??!111!? I'm suprised it wasn't tagged as censorship, another term that gets over-used on slashdot because a bunch of idiots don't know what it means.

    Also as mentioned befophe this "PH" naming phad is phucking stupid.

  16. This is what I love about computers by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 1

    Nothing is really new.

    Bytecode, killer pokes, the auto type, XML ...

    Rich.

  17. Hardware Virus by Pikoro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seem to remember a virus back in the 486 days that would cause the hard drive to sweep back and forth between extremes and would keep sweeping until it hit some "resonant frequency" of the drive heads. At that point the heads would start oscillating on the vertical, causing it to strike the platter and physically damage the hard disc.

    Anyone else remember this? I had only seen it once and have never been able to find a reference to it.

    This would have been in the mid '90s. I have been wracking my brain over finding it since then.

    Anyone else who has heard of this, reply and let me know.

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    1. Re:Hardware Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I experimented with a technique (that worked) on the Commodore 64. You could address the floppy drive directly to move the drive head to the innermost position, which was on the opposite side of the "track 0" microswitch. Then you deliberately crash the CPU on the drive. When it POSTs it moves the head inward to track 0 to initialize. Since the head is on the wrong side of the switch it never gets there, makes a terrible noise, and gives up.

    2. Re:Hardware Virus by Captain+Spam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I heard of viruses like those back in that time frame, too. Though when I heard of them, they were reported as spinning the hard drive heads so fast that they overheated and warped.

      But in the end, I think those were all just email hoaxes. Ah, those were the good ol' days, when hoax emails were pranks like those and not phishing scams. Now I'm all nostaligic. :-)

      All things considered, though, I don't believe the head would ever be able to do what you're suggesting due to the head never actually touching the platters and there not being enough power in the head's servo motor to cause enough destabilization to the mechanics. Similarly, the overheat story wouldn't be possible, either, unless it was an exceptionally poorly-made drive which suffered overheat problems anyway.

      Still, THAT would be an effective DoS tool. :-)

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    3. Re:Hardware Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe this was part of the Telefonica strain of viruses, but I'm not sure. The only reference I can find online is a reference to Telefonica-boot (first mutation, 1990), which only rewrote key sectors of all disks it could find.

    4. Re:Hardware Virus by xgr3gx · · Score: 0, Troll

      Is that the same virus that would cause the hard drive to emit an electromagnetic wave to erase your nearby floppy disks, and overpower the laser in the CDROM to make it melt your CDs?

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    5. Re:Hardware Virus by Intron · · Score: 1

      What meds were you on at the time? I've heard the seek command used to play musical tones (shave-and-a-haircut), but I've never heard of it damaging a hard drive. When you give a seek command to the drive, it ramps the acceleration and speed that the heads move to give a smooth stop at the position that you request. There's no way you can cause an oscillation, because there is no overshoot. This might have been possible back in ST-506 days (early 80s), where the seek was done by an external controller - assuming the controller was poorly designed.

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    6. Re:Hardware Virus by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a couple I remember, the biggest one, similar to yours:

      Hard drives have a "rest" mode for when shutting down (as to not cause damage when shipping/etc.) if it was not powered on or in use, which caused the read/write drive heads to be placed down on the drive platters when it stopped spinning. There was a virus that would speed up the disk, then throw it into rest mode immediately, and you guessed it, tear right into the hard disk with a loud noise and literally bricking that hard drive.

      Then there was another good one that I heard that involved the monitor blowing up. Although this supposedly happened on the very old computer monitors (so it's fixed on today's monitors) and it involved changing frequencies, if I recall correctly (I believe from like 60hz to 75hz), but don't directly quote me on that.

      For some reason, I feel these type of stories are the most interesting and can teach you a good deal about hardware. So as a request, anyone with these stories please post them here :)

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    7. Re:Hardware Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to remember a virus back in the 486 days that would cause the hard drive to sweep back and forth between extremes and would keep sweeping until it hit some "resonant frequency" of the drive heads. At that point the heads would start oscillating on the vertical, causing it to strike the platter and physically damage the hard disc.

      Anyone else remember this? I had only seen it once and have never been able to find a reference to it.

      This would have been in the mid '90s. I have been wracking my brain over finding it since then.

      Anyone else who has heard of this, reply and let me know. I remember that, it was the W32/Goodtimes virus. It would cause your hard drives to head crash. It would also overwrite every piece of flash in your machine with Russian poetry, take your credit card data and make wild and useless purchases on the internet, set up its own SMTP server so it could sent threatening email in your name to the President, it would put sugar in your gas tank, and finally it would impregnate your sister.

      Yes, I remember that virus... It was WAY worse than CIH.
    8. Re:Hardware Virus by BaileDelPepino · · Score: 0

      That virus would have been a bitch to debug.

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    9. Re:Hardware Virus by Heather+D · · Score: 1

      Those were the probably old IDE drives, they handled cylinder and head info in software and could conceivably be physically damaged by software. I never heard of it actually happening though. I do remember the one that VeNoM0619 mentioned, and the monitor thing too. If I recall correctly that one only worked on a particular kind of fixed-frequency monitor.

  18. Hardly a new phenomenon by g051051 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't exactly a new problem...in the early days, you could fry a monitor by setting the video card to absurd refresh rates, and you could destroy hard disks by issuing bogus stepping commands to the heads and slamming them into the stops.

    1. Re:Hardly a new phenomenon by wkk2 · · Score: 1

      I believe the same problem exists with DVD region codes. If a drive's region code selection is changed too many times it will lock and refuse to update. And now that the Blue-Ray standard has won, we are still stuck with region coding.

    2. Re:Hardly a new phenomenon by sribe · · Score: 1

      I recall such things, but... Could you provide references? This is not a challenge BTW, just a request for info for my own purposes.

  19. Phlashing by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    I saw someone Phlashing their laptop in a public park, he was arrested for public indecency :-)

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  20. Works in real life too ! by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last time I "phlashed" someone in real-life I received a permanent injunction and restraining order from a very nice judge in court. I guess you can call that a permanent denial of service.

    1. Re:Works in real life too ! by hyperz69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess your firmware didn't impress her.

  21. source of the name by straponego · · Score: 4, Interesting
    PHLASH.EXE is the name of Phoenix's BIOS upgrade tool.

    I am not making this up: less than a week ago, I woke up thinking: what to firmware, BIOS, TPM, and IPMI have in common? They'd all be great vectors for bricking a machine.

    1. Re:source of the name by ailnlv · · Score: 1

      Less than a week ago, I woke up thinking: "where the f*** am I and why did I drink so much last night?"

    2. Re:source of the name by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      PHLASH.EXE is the name of Phoenix's BIOS upgrade tool.
      N0 1tz FLASH.EXE, c3pt l45t w33k, i t0t411y h4x0r3d F33n1x's g1bs0n n i r4pl4c3d th31r upd4t3 @pp w/mj tr0j4n!!! H4! 1 t0t411y pwn3d j00!!!!!

    3. Re:source of the name by CowboyNealOption · · Score: 1

      Just wait until you remember you are an IT drone, then the horrified screaming will begin again.

    4. Re:source of the name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I ran into a virus that did this over 15 years ago. It would sucessfully exploit a a particular bios (I'm not sure to what end) but most systems it would just brick.

      We went through several Motherboards before we realized what was going on. At with point we removed the "enable flash update" jumper from the board and were able to clean the virus out.

    5. Re:source of the name by zonker · · Score: 0

      Flash BIOS didn't exist over 15 years ago (pre-1993), at least in PCs. It wasn't even commercially available until 1988 and then it was hugely expensive, not something you'd find on a PC motherboard. It wasn't until around post-1995/96 or so that it started being somewhat common.

      I think you are thinking of a virus called CIH btw. It was pretty nasty as I recall.

      Links:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_ROM
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIH_virus

    6. Re:source of the name by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Should I be scared that I can actually read that? *shakes head in disgust*

  22. Sometimes I wonder... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I wonder the mindset that even goes into creating something like this. I'll admit that when I was a middle-school aged kid, i thought that "computer hackers" were cool. Now, however, I just sort of wonder --

    even if information wants to be free, wtf am I supposed to do with it?

    "Fone Phreaking" I saw a benefit to, and its something that I took an interest in.

    Trying to hijack computers and stuff -- why bother? Unless I'm doing it to be a dick to someone, just why? I can understand if mobster types are trying to do a virtual bank robbery, but this is just sorta gay.

    I can see why a 13-14 year old little dipshit might want to use it, but it's pretty clear that they someone that age wouldn't have invented the technique. So, my question really is - what sort of mal-adjusted dickhead would come up with something like this, wrap it in nice little scriptkiddy packaging, and make it available to lazy little vandals that got "dissed" on myspace?

    1. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by trongey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sometimes I wonder the mindset that even goes into creating something like this. ... I can understand if mobster types are trying to do a virtual bank robbery,... Close. It's called extortion. You do this to one of a site's machines. Then you send the demand for payment with a threat to do it to the rest of their machines. It's been happening to gambling and porn sites for years since law enforcement agencies don't usually get in a hurry to apprehend people who attack those sites. They have been using DDoS, so this would just be a bigger hammer.
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    2. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless I'm doing it to be a dick to someone, just why?
      Because most people ARE just that. You do not have to drive more than 10 feet on a highway to figure that out. Many people are seriously passive agressive. They WANT to be dicks but are to shy to do it. Other people just like to mess with other people 'just because they can'. It is an alien thing to some as they are just not like that. But sometimes you get the right mix of passive agressive and agressive and you get dicks like this one.

    3. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder the mindset that even goes into publicizing this. We all know this is possible. The "researcher" isn't helping anyone by advertising it. He goes as far as actually making a tool to do it, WTF is wrong with this guy? He's pretty close to the type who feeds script kids.

      Don't get me wrong. I'm not in favor if hiding security holes. Vendors will always drag their feet unless a hole is publicized.

      Oh, and I thought 13-14 dipshits were the only ones who called things "gay".

    4. Re:Sometimes I wonder... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I thought 13-14 dipshits were the only ones who called things "gay". Sometimes old habits die hard.
  23. Damaged hardware might finally get people to care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If it finally costs people when their boxes get hacked, maybe they will care enough not to let their machines get hacked.
    If one botnet got taken over and the disks on that botnet's host got passwords set on them and the resulting mess got good press, the spamming industry might actually take a big hit.

  24. Phlashdotted.. by Scott+Kevill · · Score: 1

    So that's what they call it when a web server is melted remotely.

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  25. Forget Rootkits by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

    /\/3VV, 8i05 \/1ru535 @re 4 t3h 900d +1m3z && L337 H4X0rz.
    Hey I get a new boot message!
    Look it's on my nintendo WII too.

  26. Everything should have a factory reset switch by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but every device out there should have two factory reset switches:

    1 to reset user data, akin to a standard BIOS "reset to factory settings"
    1 to re-flash the BIOS to the factory-installed version of the BIOS, to de-brick devices.

    Furthermore, if there is anything a user can do that is designed to update the machine in a way that's irreversible without a password setting a BIOS or boot password, a hardware switch should be pressed as the information is saved. While this won't prevent social engineering, it will prevent pure software exploits from making the hardware unusable.

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    1. Re:Everything should have a factory reset switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keeping a backup BIOS is pretty common. Asus does it, they call it CrashFree. After BIOS-killing viruses started popping up, most PC makers hardened things a tad.

      Most likely this attack is against remotely exploitable routers, using their built-in firmware update facilities.

    2. Re:Everything should have a factory reset switch by EXrider · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gigabyte has had this feature for a while on their boards

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    3. Re:Everything should have a factory reset switch by Stellian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but every device out there should have two factory reset switches: Things like easy accessible switches and backup copies of the flash cost money. Granted, they don't cost very much, but when you are talking about millions of units things add up. Since these features are useless (i.e will never be used) for 99.9% of the customers, the market forces will act to remove them.
      Besides they are not really necessary if you simply engineer the old flash to accept only flashing with a digitally signed newer version. This takes a few KB of object code to implement, and will 100% block any type of software bricking, as long as the private key is secured by the manufacturer. Yes, I'd rather buy a locked down piece of hardware - that I'm not planing to run Linux on - instead of a 0.5$ more expensive or less secure, but open alternative.
    4. Re:Everything should have a factory reset switch by QuestionsNotAnswers · · Score: 1

      I am sorry, but every single device should come have redundant power supplies and redundant main boards ... Get a grip.

      Doubling the flash capacity costs money -- unfortunately consumers dont value that feature enough to pay for it. Better equipment has this feature (e.g. I know our Proliant server mobo, and my own mobo, has a jumper and redundant flash memory).

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  27. Burning down the machine room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With older VGA video hardware it was possible for software to set the monitor on fire. Perhaps turning the monitor off could be not only a power savings, but a security benefit as well.

  28. Little endian by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 1

    I bet she laughed when you phlashed your insignificant bits.

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    1. Re:Little endian by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      he was probably Little-Endian :P

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  29. Magic Bullet by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > "Unfortunately, there isn't a magic bullet..."

    Yes there is. It's called a write-disable switch.

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    1. Re:Magic Bullet by Detritus · · Score: 1

      It doesn't always work. I used to have a motherboard with a write-protect jumper. The interesting thing was that the board supported two different flash memory chips. If chip A was installed on the board, the write-protect jumper worked as expected. If chip B was installed on the board, the write-protect jumper was ignored. Which chip was installed on the board was a matter of chance.

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  30. Nothing really new... by moxley · · Score: 1

    What is so new about this? That it's been given a media friendly ph-suffix name?

    I think Malicious Firmware Update is better.

    M.F.U. (I am sure with those initials, we could come up with a name much more compelling and befitting the situation you'd be in if this happened to you).

    Anyone who has worked with even consumer grade home computers and routers and done a firmware or BIOS flash should have been aware that this is possible, with most home routers having the ability for remote management....

    Now....if we saw a worm that does this in the wild, it might be more newsworthy.

  31. I'd love to get hacked... by imyy4u3 · · Score: 1

    As long as it's a hot girl hacker who phlashes me.

    1. Re:I'd love to get hacked... by imyy4u3 · · Score: 1

      And then when I ask her for more, and she refuses, that's called a "denial of service."

  32. Already done in 1998 by RickRussellTX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wasn't this already done by the CIH (later called Chernobyl) virus, circa 1998? There was even an e-mail variant of it, based on the Loveletter worm.

  33. Rivets by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > May your body rot next to that of the designer of the Titanic.

    Unfair. If the ship had been built with the rivets specified by the engineers it would not have sunk. The shipyard couldn't get rivets that met specs so management went with what they had. After all, they had a delivery date...

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  34. Re:I move to change it to FDOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, I'd rather go with this entry submitted above: BOIP (brick-over-IP).

    (OT: lol. captcha: phrased)

  35. This is not really new.. by mengel · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I recall a friend of mine having a little routine for TRS-80's that would:
    • wait for a key press
    • for decreasing n
      • turn on the tape cassete relay
      • wait n cycles
      • turn off the tape cassete relay
    this would cause an increasing pitch whine, followed by a little whiff of smoke from the cassette relay.

    Something about the people there always saying "there's nothing you can type on the computer that will hurt it..."

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    1. Re:This is not really new.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Cant remember its name, but there was one for early PC's that would cause the video sync rate to go out of whack and it would toast weaker cga/ega monitors.

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    2. Re:This is not really new.. by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes, the WWII tape killer... classic!

      Honestly though, in this day and age, such software-controlled hardware assaults should not be possible anymore. Everything has its own micro controller on-board, and here's the flaw: they should all have write-disable switches/jumpers, everything from the DVD burner to the RAID controller and you might as well put one on that fancy mouse too!

      When you're developing the firmware/PIC, that write-disable pin typically gets used on a regular basis. Why then, do we not use its functionality in the production device ?

      Would it complicate firmware updates ? Sure.

      Should unskilled users be performing updates in the first place ? Hell no.

      My opinion is if having to open the case and move a jumper is a big enough deterrent to stop you from flashing, then the jumper has done its job, and you shouldn't even go near any firmware downloads. Leave techy stuff to the techies.

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  36. Apple Update not an attack by thtrgremlin · · Score: 0, Troll

    Turns out there wasn't a phishing attack, but an Apple Update that didn't go as planned. Apple sent an update that caused every mac to flash their router with a AirPort/AppleTalk/IPX update. Everything went as planned, except for the few customers that had Mac computers on non-Airport based networks. Rumor has it Apple has regarded the issue as low priority, but will provide a patch for everyone that buys OSX10.6 and until then their official statement so far is "STFU, why weren't you using an Airport?", noting that use of non-Apple routing equipment can void your warranty, and that they have no legal obligation to resolve the issue with the few affected hackers.

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  37. Maybe... by FishAdmin · · Score: 1

    ...you should have shown her your hard drive and not your floppy? Most women simply aren't impressed by a 3.5" anymore...

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  38. This isnt new by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember dark avenger from the 80's? or CIH in the 90's?

    But its about time destructive viruses have returned. Perhaps if enough machines are trashed someone will finally deal with the problem. As long as its just bot nets, no ones really going to care.

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  39. Ouch by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    This would have been in the mid '90s. I have been wracking my brain over finding it since then. Wow, man, you've been wracking your brain since the mid-90s?
  40. Cite please. by argent · · Score: 1

    Apple sent an update that caused every mac to flash their router with a AirPort/AppleTalk/IPX update. Everything went as planned, except for the few customers that had Mac computers on non-Airport based networks.

    I have a hard time believing that software to flash the firmware on an Airport would have any effect on a non-Airport router.

    Can you provide a URL or other cite for this?

    1. Re:Cite please. by thtrgremlin · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... it was satirical. I was trying to make fun of the bootcamp/ipod/iphone brick updates that have been headlines of /. in the past. Seriously? No mod:funny? IMHO, if anyone really thinks I was trolling or thought this was serious, I fear for Apple.

      Or maybe I should listen to my wife; she says I can't deliver a joke to save my life. Of well. *tear*

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    2. Re:Cite please. by argent · · Score: 1

      Ah.

      The problem was that it's just not unlikely enough for satire. I mean, really, the "Good Times" virus used to be a joke, back before Microsoft invented ActiveX and made it possible... you have to really push the envelope these days to come up with something that's really obviously impossible. I mean, for all I know, some idiot has invented a standard firmware flash mechanism with a "trust me" bit in uPNP.

  41. Magic Bullet by sexconker · · Score: 1

    "Unfortunately, there isn't a magic bullet, but making sure the flash update mechanisms have authentication so as not just anyone can perform an update is a start," Smith says. "Beyond this, flash update mechanisms need to be designed with malicious attacks in mind."

    Um, yeah, there's a magic bullet.
    A simple, hardwired button/toggle switch on the back of the device. "Flash: enabled [|| ] disabled"

    Kind of like the tab on floppies, VHS tapes, flash drives, memory cards, you know.
    Sorry if you have to get up out of your chair to flip the switch on the device, but you should be prepared to have to physically access the device anyway if you're doing any sort of flashing. Take the time to blow out / vac out the dust while you're at it. Check that the labels are still attached, the power cords are still seated firmly, etc.

    You're not Ron Popeil.
    You can't "Set it and Forget it!" like a rotisserie oven.

  42. Brick over IP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - I just *died*. Good one, Zerth!

  43. I didn't know yew ver Svedish., ya fer sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could have just adopted Swedish instead of changing English. You betcha!

  44. Mmmm, permanent damage by bitspotter · · Score: 1

    Tell me once again, how much you want those cybernetic implants...

  45. I'm a little surprised it took this long. by RoninOtter · · Score: 1
    I recall a while back there was this little boot-sector virus which contained code to modify a motherboard's CMOS data, potentially causing a milder version of "Phlashing." However, that portion of the virus had a bug which made it almost impossible for the payload to be executed.

    http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2000-121916-0457-99&tabid=2

    This virus was first found over 14 years ago, so the idea of remotely causing hardware failure isn't new. However no one has tried to implement it on a serious scale since. Given that so many modern-day devices and software are able to automatically flash/patch, this is something which, if done right, could adversely affect a significant number of systems.

  46. Timebombs from manufacturers? by straponego · · Score: 1

    I wonder... supposedly China is behind many cyber attacks on the US. It seems that many of these chips could have backdoors to be triggered by botnets. It's not like that code is audited...

  47. Feature: Virus-recovery built in! by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Would you pay $2 more for a router that proudly supported a "guaranteed recoverable from malware or your money back" sticker vs. one that that didn't? I would.

    OK, it would be more like $5 more: $2 for the increased costs of manufacture, $0.20 for the sticker, and $2.80 in extra profit for the fear, uncertainty, and doubt scare-words provide.

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  48. MOD PARENT UP (funny) by shentino · · Score: 1

    hard...floppy..3.5 inch...

    this can be taken in SOOO many ways :)

  49. Old. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    I used to play with viruses when I was a kid, I distinctly remember one that used to trash the bios. Might have been Magistrate.

  50. Won't happen: requires increased HW cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and business is run on "the numbers", or "the financials" nowadays.

    Businesses have been bankrupted by shortchanging their new products by 10 cents, in the new management-style.

    The only solution ( other than dissolving one's computer .. ta-boom! ) is to run an OS that won't do such things, and that probably means preventing Microsoft operating systems from being one all one's machines.

    I don't know Mac code security, but I've read some un-nice things about it...

    As for it being possible, look how many motherboards can be flashed from within MS Windows.

    If the vendor gives you, the user, the ability to do it, then it can be done.

    Malicious use of the same mechanism is inevitable.

  51. But they can't patent it because there's prior art by jc42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was at the U of Wisconsin back in the 1970s, the central campus Computer Center had a Univac system. An EE prof (or his students ;-) got circuit diagrams and did some analysis. He announced that there was a bug: If a particular (unlikely) sequence of instructions was executed, they would fry a transistor in the CPU. Rather than thanks, he got ridiculed and insulted by the Univac CS people (and a lot of people on campus). So he announced that he'd run a test. He submitted a job that included a chunk of assembly language with the sequence. The machine promptly halted and couldn't be rebooted. The CS engineers looked into it, and found that a transistor had been fried.

    These days, though, I suppose that he'd probably be charged with something. The smart thing to do if you learn of such bugs is probably to not notify anyone, especially not the vendor or your employer. Instead, you quietly offer the information (for a price of course) to various "interested parties" for whatever use they'd like to make of it.

    Another time, some students figured out a bug in Univac's tape drives. They found code that sent commands to spool forward and rewind with timing such that the drive did both - which snapped the tape. They were also not believed, so they demoed it. They submitted a job that asked for a scratch tape, wrote a few KB of data, and snapped the tape. Then it asked for another scratch tape. It didn't take too many tapes before the operators figured out that they should call in the CS people.

    I'll bet that others here have a bunch of similar stories. And nonetheless, a future story will be the patenting of using such bugs for "PDOS" attacks. Probably by our favorite whipping boy, Microsoft, who will patent such attacks as a way of enforcing licensing restrictions or DRM.

    Maybe the fellow the story is about can get the patent first ...

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  52. Re:unBricking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Way to miss the point, troll.

  53. Re:Bricking & replacement parts by Technician · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not a very difficult fix for any tech savvy person with surface mount device reworking equipment - or a soldering iron, a steady hand and a great deal of faith in their ability (or practical experience) to rework SMDs with the wrong kit.


    Truly spoken by someone who hasn't tried to buy a programmed flash part for a made in China board. Hint, the replacement board can be purchased but the replacement chip containing IP firmware is a little harder to obtain. Custom parts on the board (flash memory) are not imported in a programmed state. If you can extract the image from the executable without the aid of the boot loader, many of these blank chips and flash upgrade don't come with any way to install the initial code to load the initial firmware.

    A new blank BIOS chip doesn't contain enough firmware to boot a floppy, USB memory stick, or CD ROM to flash the BIOS. You need a BIOS image and device programmer. Since neither is supplied and both are needed, your chances of obtaining a BIOS image and installing the firmware are slim to none.

    A Blank clock flash memory chip from Mouser does not make a bricked board bootable enough to flash the new BIOS firmware.

    If you want to try it, Pick up a blank unit here; Good luck
    http://www.epn-online.com/page/new56862/mouser-stocks-silicon-laboratories-c8051f9xx-line-of-mcus.html

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  54. Meihem in ce Klasrum by Dolton Edwards by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Published in Astounding Science Fiction in the late 1940's or early 50's. Many of the proposed letter substitutions are even the same. (Well, some are obvious, as "s" for the soft "c"...but I mean some of the arbitrary ones.)

    Naturally the "Short Story" (modest proposal?) developed the idea in more depth, but it was essentially the same. You could also compare this with some ideas pushed by Bertrand Russell, and probably others. Note that this isn't a new language, merely a rephonetization of the current language. As such it really would be easy to switch to as long as your dialect as close in it's pronunciation to that the the dialect chosen for phonetisizing around. Going in the other direction would be quite a bit more difficult, so if you do this all books will need to be republished with new spellings. OTOH, this could be phased in over a decade or so. But you'd need a government agency authorized to forbid the publication of books unless they were in the new spelling. (That could probably be easily abused.)

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  55. doubling not necessary by davidwr · · Score: 1

    The "factory default" flash could be a failsafe that offers just enough functionality to load a real flash image in a safe way.

    For example, a smart-phone's main OS would be stored in a large flash, while the failsafe OS would have just enough smarts to either read the inserted memory card or activate the basic phone features and phone a known-good phone number, and download a predetermined filename from the remote server, then install it. It wouldn't even have to be over internet protocols, XMODEM or something equally simple would do nicely. That should take a lot less room than the "real" BIOS.

    A router's failsafe OS would have just enough smarts to set up a LAN with a predefined fixed address, start a tftp server, wait for a file named X to come in, verify the file is properly cryptographically signed, and install it. That's a lot less smarts than the "real" flashed image and a consequently a lot smaller.

    Likewise, a PC's failsafe could be "initialize hardware to safe settings, then prompt user to insert CD and press any key. When key pressed load first X bytes from CD to determine where to go on CD to find the image then load and activate the new real BIOS." That's a lot smaller than a real BIOS.

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  56. Satellite companies have been doing this for years by clanrat · · Score: 1

    Bell and DirecTV bricked thousands of pirate receivers a few years ago. People that didn't know what JTAG meant or how to use google ended up paying big $$ to either their dealers or the Sat companies for new hardware.

  57. Re:Bricking & replacement parts by tonekids · · Score: 1

    That whooshing sound was the sarcasm and wry humor streaking over your head.

  58. OLD news... Really OLD news.. from 2004/2005 HiTB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 2004 or 2005 on my LAX-Singapore flight I was seated next to a pair of HiTB Malaysia attendees and having a discussion of this same idea. One was going to be presenting a paper on USB Client-Host-Client hacking via malforming of the OHCI/UHCI communications, and we got into a discussion on the viability of replacing firmware via a virus or worm. The other had recently accomplished the creation of a 'trojaned' firmware update containing a virus for a GeForce video card that could not be removed by any anti-virus software or any offical update, and he was rather intrigued by a few ideas I had on attacking a network via flaws in the networking hardware.

    And if you recognize yourself in the above, I'm still working on the manuscript.

  59. Re:Bricking & replacement parts by Technician · · Score: 1

    That whooshing sound was the sarcasm and wry humor streaking over your head.

    Point well taken. I do however remember in the PC XT days (No CMOS) where the BIOS was a plug in chip. It was great fun to unplug the BIOS and replace the copywright message with something like my name with a bit editor and burn it back into a blank EPROM. Those days are gone forever..

    Anybody want some blank 2764's?

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