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Last "Hackers On Planet Earth" Conference In July

Posted by kdawson on from the springs-eternal dept.

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The Last H.O.P.E. ('Hackers on Planet Earth') Conference is set for July 18-20, 2008, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York City. The organizers have announced their supplemental speaker list, adding on to the initial list. Topics will include 'Crafting a Security-Enhanced Wikipedia,' 'VoIP (in)security: Italians Do It Better,' 'AntiSocial Networking: Vulnerabilities in Social Nets,' 'SWF and the Malware Tragedy,' 'Simulating the Universe on Supercomputers,' and my personal favorite, 'RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can Help.'"

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  1. 2007? by DavidJSimpson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The "Last" conference is set for last year? Ironic.

    1. Re:2007? by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      It won't work if you don't put in the crystals.

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    2. Re:2007? by NoobixCube · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only a genuine diamond will suffice. Using a cheap imitation never ends well.

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    3. Re:2007? by Mooga · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, time to pull out the DeLorean...

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    4. Re:2007? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Well, there are portable time travel devices... but the landings are pretty rough.

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    5. Re:2007? by PawNtheSandman · · Score: 1

      New York. Across the street from MSG. Also known as Hotel BedBug for their recent outbreak of bedbugs. Quite possibly the WORST hotel in midtown. Sure the lobby looks nice, but the rooms are hell. That POS should be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.

    6. Re:2007? by IchNiSan · · Score: 1

      You don't have to shift it, just go into the basement and use it to go back to before you put it there.

  2. 2007? by QUILz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sigh, I really don't feel like shifting that old time machine I got from eBay out from the basement.

  3. This one's obvious by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Funny

    'RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can Help.' By turning ourselves in, of course. Also, not hiring lawyers and poking holes in their strategy.
    1. Re:This one's obvious by Teckla · · Score: 2, Funny

      People could try, you know, not committing copyright infringement...

    2. Re:This one's obvious by skeeto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You say that like copyright infringement has something to do with the RIAA lawsuit selection process.

    3. Re:This one's obvious by conan1989 · · Score: 1

      just cause something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong. remember prohibition

    4. Re:This one's obvious by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      just cause something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong That is perfectly true, but just because you want something to be legal doesn't make it right. Do you think that authors shouldn't be able to try to enforce the copyright on their books, or artists shouldn't be able to enforce copyright on their digital photos? Suddenly just because you can copy something with trivial effort, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Don't get me wrong, I've done it too, but if I like a band then I will buy their album because they deserve recognition and support. All too many tight arse bastards would just copy their music and leave it at that.
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    5. Re:This one's obvious by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      the problem isn't authors being able to enforce copyright. It's them being able to enforce it for essentially forever and even in the grave!

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    6. Re:This one's obvious by conan1989 · · Score: 1

      i agree, if you like something... give the popper respects. for example, i heard about this DJ called "nick skitz" so i downloaded his stuff, LOVED it then went out and bought all his CDs (~30.) but then that brigs us to the the HUGE percentage that the labels get.

      but it's when copy right is abused to hinder development (patents) or used for censorship (church of scientology) that i (and others) say "fuck this, lets do what needs to be done"

    7. Re:This one's obvious by somersault · · Score: 1

      When it comes to that, sure. It still doesn't get away from the fact that copying music when the copyright belongs to someone else is unethical.. thought the fact that the labels screw the artists over is also unethical, it's a dilemma. Personally I would prefer if all artists pulled a Radiohead and put their stuff up online or setup their own label, then you know that most of the money is going to the artist (and the rest pays the hosting bills/CD pressing). For lesser known/funded bands that kind of involvement could be impractical so they could start out somewhere like iTunes.

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    8. Re:This one's obvious by msormune · · Score: 1

      So it doesn't? At all? O RLY?

    9. Re:This one's obvious by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      Apparently not

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  4. On the Speakers list.. by handmedowns · · Score: 5, Funny

    H.G. Wells - Time Travel
    Stephen Hawking - WormHoles
    Kdawson - ADHD and how it affects an editor

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    1. Re:On the Speakers list.. by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget the Doctor and his keynote speech on using a sonic screwdriver to break into any computer system ever created.

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    2. Re:On the Speakers list.. by gbobeck · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the words of Dalek professors... "Elaborate! Elaborate! Elaborate!..."

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    3. Re:On the Speakers list.. by Oronar · · Score: 1

      Except ones with a deadlock seal, or if they're made of wood.

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    4. Re:On the Speakers list.. by muzicman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that if it is deadlocked you are screwed.

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    5. Re:On the Speakers list.. by ZackZero · · Score: 1

      Well, there's a pretty good rule of thumb to live by... "If you're trying to secure a computer system from someone with a sonic screwdriver, don't use anything involving sound-based security."

    6. Re:On the Speakers list.. by chriseyre2000 · · Score: 1

      Watch out for one of the two recent service packs - Daleks can now fly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants).

  5. the climax of the show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    is when they auction off the attendees' credit cards, passports, and drivers' licenses. As the goods are previewed on a 60" plasma TV, generally you hear backhanded compliments along the lines of "hey, that's got a better picture of me than the real thing."

  6. Radio Statler by double-oh+three · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you that can't attend, there will be an internet radio station (which I am helping put together) from and about the conference (details here: http://radio.hope.net/ ), with interviews and news and other bits from the con.

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    1. Re:Radio Statler by Nullav · · Score: 1

      So, there's going to be a dupe for this year? Go, Slashdot! :D

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    2. Re:Radio Statler by certron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aside from the radio station, there will be other projects, such as the NOC NOC (none of our concern network operations center, a coat check for servers), and the Attendee Metadata project, which seeks to use 2.4GHz OpenBeacon tags to track all the attendees. http://www.thelasthope.org/projects.php#rfid They need some volunteers for this project, actually, so if you have some microcontroller skills, drop them a line at projects at hope.net

      This looks like it will be a great conference, I'm looking forward to attending.

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  7. RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can Help by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Set up honeypots to entrap the RIAA into sending bogus notices. Thoroughly document this and make the results available to those defending themselves against RIAA suits (and to those pursuing class action suits against the RIAA).

    Also try to trick them into breaking into and/or DOSing bittorent trackers (preferably ones not being used to infringe any RIAA copyrights).

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  8. OMG! They can hack TIME!! by XMode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Conference is set for July 18-20, 2007, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York City.

    So this was last year then?

  9. Bad summary: 2007 vs. 2008 by thib_gc · · Score: 1

    There is an obvious time wrap in the summary.

    1. Re:Bad summary: 2007 vs. 2008 by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is an obvious time wrap in the summary. Or a Time Warp in the conference. You decide.
  10. The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by QMalcolm · · Score: 4, Informative

    They have been VERY careful about not explicitly saying that this is the final hope. They are just calling this year's conference "The Final Hope".

    1. Re:The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by 6350' · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I keep seeing people (on their forum) not explicitly saying that it *isnt* the last HOPE. There was some speculation that perhaps this is the final HOPE at the current digs/location, but I couldn't get any firm details on that front. Any additional info would be useful.

    2. Re:The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by Repton · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they have to restart in a new venue, they could call the next one "A New HOPE"...

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    3. Re:The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by DeathB · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right before The Last HOPE was announced, Vornado Realty Trust announced that they were tearing down the Hotel Pennsylvania before 2010 (when the next HOPE presumably would be). While there are certainly other venues in NYC, finding one the size of the space HOPE has in the Hotel Penn at a price that HOPE could be under $100 has appeared pretty hopeless.

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    4. Re:The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by phalse+phace · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I'm not seeing "The Final Hope" anywhere. But I am seeing "The Last HOPE" on the 2600 news page *and* on "The Last HOPE's" official site.

      There's even a picture of a tombstone on their official site that reads "Hope: 1994 - 2008."

    5. Re:The "Last HOPE", not the last "HOPE" by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      you mean, its not their only HOPE? is there another?

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  11. Last hope is long gone by mi · · Score: 1

    The Last H.O.P.E. ('Hackers on Planet Earth') Conference is set for July 18-20, 2007.

    I guess, we had no hope for 11 months already...

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  12. Let's do the Time Warp Again! by db32 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just a jump to the left...
    And a damned bad editor...
    I mean really...I am disappointed with the hacking community now big time. Master time travel and all you can come up with is hold a conference complaining about things? Paradox be damned its worth it to try and fix the unmitigated disasters in freedom that have been going on the last 20 years or so.

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    1. Re:Let's do the Time Warp Again! by Evil_Ether · · Score: 1

      20 years or so my arse it started with the Romans!

      I mean what have the Romans ever done for us hmmm?

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    2. Re:Let's do the Time Warp Again! by db32 · · Score: 1

      I have tried to come up with a decent answer witty or not but I just can't. I have long been of the belief that the spread of the Roman empire is ultimately what screwed civilization up in the long term (At least western).

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    3. Re:Let's do the Time Warp Again! by Evil_Ether · · Score: 1

      Misogynistic, imperialistic, paranoid, narcissists with a penchant for toy solders?

      Nah there's no way they could be involved.

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  13. Nah, get the trackers to help... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The trackers just need to start giving them some fake peers. Maybe give them ONLY fake peers if they're the one guy who has 800 torrents, but which isn't sharing...

  14. Movie Sequel by ratguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    'SWF and the Malware Tragedy'

    Sounds like a sequel to 'The Net'.

  15. Slashdot Special... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "AntiSocial Networking"... ...Yeah, think the slashdot crowd has that covered.

    1. Re:Slashdot Special... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

      "AntiSocial Networking"... ...Yeah, think the slashdot crowd has that covered. Right. We have it down to a 'science'.
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  16. Maybe some attending will.. by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Elope.... after they grep, touch, poke, and head and tail each other in NICE ways....

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  17. Where will the next one be ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    And what will it be called ? "The Future Hope" ? "The Next Hope" ? "The Hope Strikes Back" ? "The Once and Future Hope" ? "Infinite Hope" ?

    But seriously, now that Hotel Pennsylvannia will be turned into millionaire's housing, maybe this thing can be moved to a cheaper and more accessible part of the country. Especially in light of the economy, we should focus on a place that is central and is a big Greyhound hub. Maybe a place where there are a lot of urban ruins, and it would be really cheap to rent some sort of big bare building like a parking garage. Having everyone all camp out might be a bit of a stretch, I don't know if the hacker crowd is ready to woodstock it yet, but if there were a Motel 6 or Days Inn within walking distance for the weak that might suffice.

    The list of talks and speakers looks really good, even better than last year, when I really regretted not attending after talking to some people who did. I wish I were going, but even re-examining my money and schedule, it looks like I won't be.

    Perhaps some people could get together to organize a complementary conference, to be held in January (cheaper travel and most time separation from the real Hope). I suggest we put it in some place like Albequerque or Los Cruces, which might be bearable at that time of year, and is generally cheap.

    1. Re:Where will the next one be ? by DeathB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But seriously, now that Hotel Pennsylvannia will be turned into millionaire's housing, maybe this thing can be moved to a cheaper and more accessible part of the country. Especially in light of the economy, we should focus on a place that is central and is a big Greyhound hub. Having everyone all camp out might be a bit of a stretch, So it's not cheap, but more accessible and more of a Greyhound hub than NYC? Does such a place actually exist? NY has 3+ airports, good connections by bus and train and is central for the East Coast (which has half of the US population). Even the center of US population is right around the Mississippi.

      Perhaps some people could get together to organize a complementary conference, to be held in January (cheaper travel and most time separation from the real Hope). I suggest we put it in some place like Albequerque or Los Cruces, which might be bearable at that time of year, and is generally cheap. There are alot of hacker conferences in the US other than Defcon (Las Vegas) and HOPE (although those are the two biggest). Off the top of my head there is also Summercon (Atlanta), Notacon (Cleveland), Schmoocon (DC), Carolinacon (NC), and ToorCon (San Diego). Further abroad there is the Chaos Computer Camp in Germany. Obviously you can go off and start your own, but I'd take a careful look around first.
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  18. 2007? by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    "The Last H.O.P.E. ('Hackers on Planet Earth') Conference is set for July 18-20, 2007, at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York City. Attendance by TARDIS only?
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  19. Go there, I will not by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
    Obe Wan

    Slap! Crash

    Knobe

    Slap! OOMPH!

    You're my

    Slap! Crunch.

    only

    Thud

    Nope, I won't do it. I won't go there....

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  20. Re:RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can He by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    It'd be a shame if someone were to share a small trojan horse or worm as $currentTop40PopSong.exe.mp3 ;)

    "It's like they know what we're going to do before we do it!"

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  21. Trans-temporal Uber Mods by MeridianOnTheLake · · Score: 1

    They've hacked our timeline? These guys are good.

  22. HOPE vs DEFCON by cexshun · · Score: 1

    If my company is making me choose 1 conference, should I choose HOPE or DEFCON? HOPE seems less expensive and has more "mainstream" keynote speakers, but DEFCON seems to have much MUCH more substance. Any tips for someone who has not attended either and must choose?

    1. Re:HOPE vs DEFCON by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

      Any tips for someone who has not attended either and must choose? To get a feel for what actually goes on at HOPE panels, you could go to some of the past HOPE sites (all liked from HOPE's wikipedia entry) and check out the freely available MP3s of all the talks which were given.
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  23. Re:Flux Capacitor by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

    If you can't get one, you're not leet enough to be invited.

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  24. Re:RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can He by lilomar · · Score: 1

    You mean $CT40PS.mp3.exe?

    See, Windows hides the .exe extension...

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  25. Re:SHIT by lilomar · · Score: 1

    I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  26. Re:RIAA Litigations: How the Tech Community Can He by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's the one. For some odd reason it makes more sense to me that the last extension should be honored, not the first. I'm too used to tarred gzips where the final extension (we'll disregard magic numbers for the moment) is the significant one.

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  27. a most excellent adventure by CacheFlow · · Score: 1

    Ted: Bill? Bill: yes Ted? Ted: We should collect that socrates dude and totally travel back in time to this most excellent party. Bill: totally Ted. We should grab Rufus too! Ted: Bill, this is the Last HOPE Bill: Bogus!

  28. Re:On the Speakers list..THE DOCTOR RULES! apk by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    Link is dead.
    If anyone has a copy and can e-mail it to me I'll cache it on one of my servers for a while...
    -nB

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  29. Sorry..... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    about the typo, folks.

    Yes it's 2008.

    2007 was the Next to Last H.O.P.E. conference.

    (sigh)

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    1. Re:Sorry..... by Kushy · · Score: 1

      Actually the last HOPE was 2006. It is held every 2 years.

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