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Bootleg Tron 2 Trailer Is Out In the Wild
An anonymous reader writes "Gizmodo and Filmstalker are showing the Tron 2 (aka Tr2n) teaser from Comic-Con 08. From the Giz article: 'It's a tiny bootleg video, but I don't care. You can see that the 3D looks amazing, the new lightcycles are stunning (and move like real bikes), the world and the whole mood is Batman-like dark. And Jeff Bridges ... well, he is Jeff Bridges. What can I say, he looks like a badass version of The Dude. "It's just a game!" he shouts. No, it's not. It's Tr2n. At last. Note: excuse the excitement, but I saw the original in the movie theater, and 200 times after that. With War Games, it's what got me into technology when I was a kid, and ultimately here in Giz. The only thing that has me worried is that the characters in the computer world are fully 3D.'"
This film looks killer, though the quality of the clip is very bootleg. There's so much potential (a 68.71% chance?) for subtle nerdy references in this...
Did anyone else notice that the yellow dude looked just like Rimmer? I hope he plays a thinly veiled UAC, that would be perfect.
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How do you even pronounce something like that? "Two" doesn't sound like the letter "O" nor does it look like one. Isn't "2" supposed to replace the letter "Z" or something?
Can someone with a major in L337-sp34k explain it?
I was going over dvds at netflix the other day and found out my wife never saw tron. bumped it to the top of my queue right away. now this. very cool. hopefully the teaser will be available through apple or something soon. looks interesting but this 'bootleg' version leaves a lot to be desired.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
Perhaps there should have been a warning on the video to get really close to the screen and tilt your head 45 degrees to the left. Otherwise, this video has restored my faith in humanity.
3D tr2n? No wonder you ended up in Giz.
Which I still remember as being a lousy movie even when I was a kid. Kept up the standard disney mediocrity from the Barefoot Executive to the Black Hole. Even the metaphors to how computers really worked seemed lame. The only area where the movie works for me is in the visuals.
Given the habit of subtitles and "addendums" in movie titles, we could have had: Tr2n: Tr0wnd Tr2n: 2Tron:2Troff Or if Capcom were producing it it would be Super Hyper Tr2n Alpha 2x2 Part One, Director's edition.
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i don't give a shit.
Not very surprising. I'm 25 years old and I would be hard pressed to find anyone I know that has even seen it let a lone someone that would be excited for a sequel (myself.. I'm leaning towards meh on the whole thing). With that insipid 2 in the name and the almost certainty it will be another 3D eye candy stroke fest (Beowulf anyone?) I'm finding it hard to get pumped, I know.. I know.. fast shiny motorbikes I should have a hard on and a taste for red meat and a bar fight, but I just don't!
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So both the submitter *and* the /. editor failed to read the submission?
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Saw the original in theaters, can point out the hidden Mickey Mouse. Inspired me to become an avid gamer. /end of line
Why do I M2 everything negatively?
You're not the target demographic, I am. That gave me chills - I'm so stoked I can hardly wait. The original movie was a defining icon for my generation.
How more remakes it will take before the audience gets fed up with it.
1. Make Tron in 1980's and lose money
2. Make sequel to the failure movie
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!
Wouldn't investors want more details about step 3?
Table-ized A.I.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x692m3_tr2n-cleaned-up-001_fun
Because it was annoying enough for me to figure out which links to click, and I want to save someone else from the effort.
So is this for real? Are they really making a sequel, or is this just some guy's fan-made video? It's pretty good, though. Even with the rough quality (or maybe because of it), it looks like they had guys really riding motorcycles like that, then added CGI over the live footage.
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While you are waiting for "Tron 2" go on ahead and play Armagetron. It's quite a lot of fun, and is one of the games of choice for my lan parties now. http://www.armagetronad.net/
I would be very excited about a sequel, but probably not this one. It already looks to be shaping up to be a CGI crap-fest. I'd really like to see the philosophy and religion of the Tron universe explored further than it was, but I guess this will probably be dumbeddown and devoid of anything like that. You want a sequel, install Tron 2.0 on your PC and play it.
Oh, and why couldn't this guy ZOOM up onto the screen instead of having it sideways in the very bottom corner? Moron.
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War Games is a very shitty movie because it's a cookie-cutter Hollywood movie.
That's why it was successful: it took relatively new ideas (boy hacker and war computers) and wrapped it in a tried-and-true plot formula. Complaining about Hollywood acting like Hollywood is ... well ...cookie-cutter complaining. If you want more sophisticated sci-fi, then I recommend you read sci-fi books.
Table-ized A.I.
War Games is so fun because of all the cliches. And WOPR has some l33t blinkenlights.
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Youre at least 6 or 7 years too young to appreciate this. Sadly, your generation's nostalgia will be rap videos and Captain Planet. *shudders*
as a 20yr old, I can say I'm excited. The origonal movie was grapicaly out of this world for its time, and I want to see how they improve on both that and the good storyline of the origonal.
War Games is so fun because of all the cliches. And WOPR has some l33t blinkenlights.
Marketing in action. A mini-computer representative once told me about how they came out with a new system that was small enough to fit on a desktop. However, it didn't sell well because managers didn't take it seriously. They repackaged it by putting it into a bigger cabinet with blinky colored lights. Sales went up. Thus, A military contractor may have dazzled a general using WOPR's blinkies.
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Eat a bag of dicks for insulting my childhood.
The reality of War Games at the time was that he used equipment that was already in the hands of people. Not fantasy land computers we see today in flicks. He was a normal bright underacheiving kid.
I suppose that hackers was so much more clever. Where everyone dressed like a refuge from a gay rave party meets the rainbow family?
You know when war games came out, you could war dial random numbers and stumble on governement systems, businesses, you name it. All very exciting times.
I am imagining your in your mid to early 20's and are used to CGI fests.
Wargames defined a generation of nerds who are responsible for where we are now in computing.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Are you saying the original didn't take place in NT 4.0?
It's like an amateur version of Speed Racer. It looks like something somebody put together with Blender.
As a driving game, it looks like fun. As a movie, probably not.
I'm only 27, but that two years apparently makes a big difference: Tron (along with "Short Circuit", "D.A.R.Y.L.", and "WarGames") was one of my favorite childhood movies. It also has many of the core elements of a good cyberpunk story (good hacker against evil corporate suit, a rogue AI with ambition, a lot of action in cyberspace), and was essentially the start of 3D CGI in movies. Here's to hoping they can do something comparable for today.
I'm only 22, I was not alive when the original came out. The first time I heard of Tron was from the Simpson's Halloween special where they reference if anyone has seen the movie in which no one has seen it before. Sometime after that I saw in the TV Guide that Tron was going to be playing on the Disney channel. I watched it, it looked cool, it was pretty awesome, but I am also someone who loves sci-fi movies.
This movie is to cater one demand in entertainment (SCIFI - XMEN,BATMAN,ETC, these movies are making ass loads of cash for the industry currently) and also one demand from studios (REMAKES). I don't see it being a huge box office success but I bet it entertains.
When did it become a sin to try new concepts when you make a movie? Probably around the 44th remake of the Incredible Hulk.
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'course it didn't.
Microsoft hadn't even produced their first DOS when the original was released. All they had were a few crappy BASIC interpreters. (as seen in such masterpieces of technology *snigger* as the commode Pet and Vic 20)
Wasnt Tron made on a PDP-10? for the time it was the coolest thing ever, now this movie needs to do that again, use the most advance 3d you can, (just PLEASE do not break out 3d glasses)
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hi, heard of 'the matrix'?
Is that Chris Barrie at the end of the film segment? It certainly looks like him.
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WAAAAHHHGHGHGH, I am soooooo excited about this. I even use extra oooooo's in sooooo to illustrate my happiness.
seriously, tron was a huge part of my childhood. I used to have a VHS taped from a TV broadcast. I had the movie, and the commercials memorized. I would plant my ass in front of the TV, watch my Tron, and make my legos. I would be sitting there building a castle or something, and muttering the dialog along with the movie, then, the commercials would come on and I would continue: "Heart disease, kidney disease, and blindness, are all signs...".
Do you think we can merge with this memory, bit?
my older brother and sister had an intellivision,so I came up playing that. (I was born in 1981) my FAVORITE game was Tron, Deadly Discs. it remained my favorite game until the NES hit a few years later.
I used to get my parents to take me to chuck-e-cheese's (a pizza video game place if you are from far off lands, I am not a totally insensitive clod), and I would take all the tokens and pump them into the tron machine. Mom would say "wouldn't you like to try some other games?"....
"BUT MOOOOOM! I WANNA PLAY MY TRON! Can I watch my tron when I get home?"
"Kelly, you have seen that program a million times, don't you think you should get outside and play?"
"MOM! WHO YOU CALLIN A PROGRAM, PROGRAM?!?
"kelly you need your exercise"
"BUT MO-OM! I am playing the game and I wanna go watch the movie and make my legos!"
and so on
Bring in the logic probe! I can't wait anymore
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So much so, in fact, that it looks like a couple of guys riding bikes around a neon-lit soundstage. Woo-hoo.
Maybe I'm just a bitter old fart, but one of my problems with a lot of modern video games is that the physics are kind of in the uncanny valley for me -- they're undeniably much more realistic than they were when I was a teenage gaming geek a quarter of a century ago (and we used real quarters back then, whippersnapper!) but they're still not quite realistic enough, so I find them constantly distracting. The light cycles in the original Tron moved like they could, in fact, exist only in a video game universe; the scenes with them were maybe the only part of the movie where you could really believe you were seeing a world completely different from that outside the machine. If Tr2n has the almost-but-not-quite-real look of most modern video games, which is what the trailer seems to indicate, then it will be quite a disappointment ... maybe not to younger viewers, but to those of us who were teenagers when the original came out, and I think we're the target demographic here.
Ah, what the hell. Of course I'll go see it. ;)
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I'm going to guess you are about 20 years old.
So what holywood movie did you watch that followed this formula and came out before Wargames?
Boy accidentally hacks miltitary facility
Not unheard of at the time. You have to remeber, most of the initial security was through obsecurity. From a Phreaking perspective, this was right on. You really did setup your wardialer and got o school. You'd run home and read a print out and die for some sort of "LOGIN>" prompt.
This movie came just over the initial peak of phreaking. You had people blowing Captain Krunch certail box toy whistles into operators ears and taking over the phone line. You had groups setting up loops where people could do party/chat lines. All this before Teh Internet. This movie touched on a lot of those techniques. From him re-playing tones to the door code pad, to him making a free call from the phone booth.
As for the mad-AI named 'joshua' in the War Operations Planned Response, well it is a movie.
Could all the nukes be tied to one machine? Sure. Were they talking about removing the human link from nuclear response in the late 70s/80s? Yeah. The thought was, if we tell the Soviets, hey, any detection of incoming missles by you will automatically be responded to by our computer, without chance of fail... well, then they are less likely to lob a nuke at us. It was considered. The problem lies in false detections.
The whole point of the WOPR was to remove humans from the descision to launch nuclear weapons. Making the system fullproof in the eyes of the designer, so that Russia would know it would never win a first-strike attack. Thus, no, you can't tell it to stop. If you have a chance to ovverride the system, it's not fullproof, and the ruskies will take that as a weakness and take a shot at us. So the thought went.
Wow, I never thought I'd have to explain or defend Wargames on Slashdot of all places. Maybe Slashdot should make a SlashdotOldSchool and migrate SELECT * FROM Users WHERE DOB = 1/1/1975 into it.
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...so yeah, it's kind of assured the 3D animation will be state of the art.
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If Microsoft produced Tron, the MCP would look like this
Nice.
If grandparent looks at the official logo, you'll see they've essentially mirrored the "R" to create the 2, as in Toys'R'Us, which no doubt will be where the real money gets made.
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Wargames defined a generation of nerds who are responsible for where we are now in computing.
Very true... My all-in-one NAT Box/Media Server/Web Server/Terminal Server at my home is named Mastercontrol in homage to the all encompassing Evil AI Tron. It was truly the first man vs. machine movie for me, beating out Terminator by 2 years.
The Tron 2.0 PC game has never lost its replay value to me. I've beaten it at least ten times, and this video is giving me the urge to play it again. It was a beautiful game, and still looks great. Because the machine-world environment was not very complicated graphically, nearly any system could play it. Constant evolution of software and networking standards today has meant that I've kept building storylines in my head based on the Tron universe in anticipation of the sequel. I know Disney won't let me down. I also can't wait for more games to be released based on the new flick.
You're not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you...
Pure revisionist BS. That's like saying Die Hard is cookie-cutter Hollywood. It is now, it wasn't then. At the time those movies were made they were cutting edge and redefined their respective genres.
It's too bad you're so young. It must suck to be a kid these days when nothing is new.
My understanding of slashdot culture says red meat and bar fights are nigh on impossible to inspire here anyway.
Somehow a group of rowdy sysadmins taking over the local rusty nail frightens me in a way only that sexy Bill Gates picture ever has.
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Ah. VMS, then.
Another reason was at the time it required absolutely no suspension of disbelief to consider that we actually all might die in a global thermonuclear war on the way home from the theater.
as a 20yr old, I can say I'm excited. The origonal movie was grapicaly out of this world for its time, and I want to see how they improve on both that and the good storyline of the origonal.
Sonny (no offense :)), when referring to a remake of a good movie, you'll find that "improve" is never used in a positive sense after you've seen it. :)
TRON was what it was: a great sample at CGI in its infancy - I think it should be remembered that way. Most of the movie actually was standard hand-work (mattes, backlighting, filters) intercut with genuine CGI and everyone who appreciated the original movie did so for the effect and the effort put into it.
Making a new version means that they did it ALL by computer, either threw away the old storyline or mutated it beyond all comprehension, and most likely gave the characters personal lives /backgrounds /needs /wants /lusts /life-problems that the audience really can't bring themselves to care about.
It'll probably have global warming, vote-obama-for-god, bad-wars, stupid-conservatives, go-hurray-liberals, UN, conservation, castrate-mccain, pay-your-taxes, free-rights-for-kids messages in it too. I guess about all we can do is thank our favorite deity(s) that wilSmith or samJackson or denzelWashington, et.al., isn't in it.
The Mona Lisa stands as an original, so does Mount Rushmore, the Washington Monument, Blade Runner, the Last Supper, Xanadu... And, like TRON, it would be WRONG to make **2*-versions of THEM.
Two things:
1. In the future, programs will fight each other using Aerobies rather than Frisbees.
2. It's a helluva lot harder to get derezzed than it used to be.
Then the most powerful computer in the world, and they had to rent time on it because they couldn't afford to buy one. And it didn't actually render the final cells -- it created line drawings which then had to be hand painted by human animators. This is why people got so excited about Tron; it looked like something far ahead of its time.
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My all-in-one NAT Box/Media Server/Web Server/Terminal Server at my home is named Mastercontrol in homage to the all encompassing Evil AI Tron.
Gah... I meant to say "The Evil AI Tron fought against." Curses!
You're not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you...
It's difficult to gain context if you see the film 15 years later like me.
That's why most people don't realize how groundbreaking it was.
But once you place it in the year it appeared, that becomes apparent.
I am definitely looking forward to it, but... one of the charms of the original is that it's a bit campy. I hope they don't butcher it with too-snazzy effects and zero story.
It was wrong to make the first version of Mount Rushmore.
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Tron
Oh really?
If I had a "real" bike, it could do anything.
NO limits.
NO rules.
You like being "limited"?
Whatever.
In the computer world I achieve MORE than god.
You can be a limited human for all I care.
Real bikes. Bah, Humbug.
I'm 25 years old and I would be hard pressed to find anyone I know that has even seen it let a lone someone that would be excited for a sequel
To be honest, you are has nothing to do with it here. I'm 25 myself and will probably have to drag my wife kicking and screaming when it comes out (don't worry, she'll be ok, her dad's a geek too!). I remember the first time I saw the original, and remember watching it repeatedly after that for a while.
Besides, Gabe and Tycho are just into their thirties, and we know how they feel about tron. http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/14/
They moved like real bikes in the original movie as well. It was only on the game grid that the lightcycles appeared to turn at right angles.
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Just for the record: I'm 16, and I cannot wait for this. But then, I'm not exactly your usual 16-year-old ;)
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Which I still remember as being a lousy movie even when I was a kid. Kept up the standard disney mediocrity from the Barefoot Executive to the Black Hole. Even the metaphors to how computers really worked seemed lame. The only area where the movie works for me is in the visuals.
I think you're being slightly harsh, but I agree that Tron isn't a particularly great movie overall- and also that the visuals are by far and away the best thing about it.
:-)
To be fair, although I'm in my early thirties and old enough to have seen (and clearly remembered) Tron when it first came out, I didn't. (*) It wasn't until years later that I caught it on TV. That might colour my judgement- but also to be fair, I could say the same about the nostalgia of people who saw it as kids when it first came out.
Problem isn't just that the plot is flimsy, it's that the film never really makes you believe in the characters or care about what's at stake. The dialogue is clunky and the acting nothing special. I could tolerate the cheesiness, but not that.
So, no... Tron isn't- and never was- a Matrix for its times. Despite being a staple of 80s "nostalgia", its influence on most people at the time was minimal. However, I do think it's visually and technically brilliant, and although some aspects of its attempt to bring the then-new computer culture to the mainstream were quite cheesy, it deserves some credit for the attempt (and has to be seen in the context of the time).
I could say more, but I already said a lot of what I wanted to say in two previous posts; why I think trying to make a Tron sequel after 20-25 years is pointless and why Tron's true technical achievements with pre-digital film-matte animation went sadly unrecognised. Both with Score:5 goodness
(*) I did, however, get to see ET, like most other people did. Vastly overrated film, I never liked it.
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Maybe you haven't noticed there are about 500 versions of Blade Runner at this point.
Are they aware that 2 doesn't represent o? Or are they hoping people will say Trrn like Tron?
Reminds me of the time the movie pronounced Seven decided to be named Se7en. Stupid mistake even if 1337 speak wasn't widespread enough for Hollywood in 1997.
In real life, September 1983, the cold war was very close to turning hot. In addition to all of the stuff like KAL that you heard about, there was one thing that didn't make the news until after the Soviet Union collapsed (I think the story was in the Washington post about 10 years ago):
The Soviets implemented a new satellite monitoring system, which immediately detected a missile launch over North Dakota. The Soviets pretty much went to DEFCON-1 before a Lt-col managed to convince the Kremlin that there was a problem with the monitoring system and there was no launch. This LT-Col basically saved our asses. Some real scary shit, after the fact.
So yes, War Games was right on the money for the time.
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I didn't see it when it was originally released, but I did watch it, fairly often along with movies like Logan's Run, V (not the soccer movie), and other period sci-fi movies as a child. Freakin' awesome.
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Wait, I'm confused. Wasn't Tron 2.0 considered the sequel to the first movie?
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.. that it will be done by Pixar. The trailer was produced and presented by Disney, and if it's true this will be Pixar's first work on live-action film (akaik anyway). Also I think that fact alone (if turns out to be true) is enough to make me, and most others I assume, want to see the film. If for no other reason then to see how Pixar's brilliance transfers to live-action.
Especialy because the original was such an icon, I do not want to see a sequal rape it.
The main reason it was an icon was due to its technical both in story and in way it was brought to the screen. We know better things can be achieved now
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As I remeber, the lights are life. And not only is it a bit l33t. It has become the hacker emblem
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That's what you'll remember about a documentary you saw 25 years ago -- it was the fastest PDP10, not the fastest computer. And some of the cells were hand painted, not all of them. I stand corrected and edumacated.
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Here is a still from the film..
http://www.tronguy.net/images/headshot-web.jpg
The original Tron had the same impact that the original Star Wars(what you younger people know as 'Episode 4') had on us, which is probably the same as LOTR had on you.
It was new technology and very exciting, and for a 14 year old, Tron blew my mind! This was the first CG movie - albeit not totally, but enough to make us salivate at the possibilities.
It may be just another movie for y'all, but trust me, every one of us children of the 80's are busting a gut right now. Allow us our excitement!
Complaining about Hollywood acting like Hollywood is ... well ...cookie-cutter complaining.
Ooooh, thanks for the good corollary point that I've never realized:
Seeing a Hollywood film and complaining that it was a Hollywood film is idiotic.
Want a non-Hollywood film? Watch a non-Hollywood film. Otherwise, read a book.
Does it have David Warner, aka "Master Control Program"? Best. Movie Villian Actor. Evar.
I saw Tron when I was 10, and I thought it was amazing. I still think it is an amazing movie even today. Why do people get hung up on stories having to have this amazing storyline to them. I love how vague parts of the story are AND how simple they are. Computers were much more simple then and to me it really reflects the kind of processing limitations and freedom of imagination at that time. I can say that it completely influenced by desire to work with computers, work with animation, and more importably work with VR stuff while I was in college. Are there movies with better visuals and better stories? Of course, but at 10 years old, I was blown away. I guess it really depends when you saw it as to how much it means to you. And I agree, I think that is Chris Barrie (Arnold Rimmer from Red Dwarf) in the end of the segment. WAY TOO young looking to be David Warner AND the wrong color ! :)
"If Microsoft produced Tron we'd have to wait for Tr3n for them to get it right."
And if the Open Source Community produced Tron, we'd have to wait for Microsoft to get Tr3n right.
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that the bad guys are some sort of file sharing program.
The obvious question, of course, is: Will Tron Guy be in the movie? At least a cameo?
And since he's probably more than a little responsible for putting the bug in some movie exec's ear to make TR2N, will be feel cheated if it makes a bijillion dollars?
(I saw the original as a teen - the movie and the quarter-eating video game were "teh shit", as the kids say nowadays. Now get off my lawn.)
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I'm in your court. At 38 years old this year, Tron was a cinematic masterpiece that deserves a masterful sequel. If it's anywhere near as good as the original was in its time, it'll kick serious ass!
I remember being excited as hell to see the original - got the tickets, and played Tron (the arcade game, which was released a month or so before the movie was) until it was time to watch the movie.
I was completely blown away. CGI is taken for granted these days (and often villified if it's anything but perfect), but Tron was the first of it's kind. The story is... ok (though it doesn't really stand up over time). But the visuals were amazing, and some of the music was great at adding even more punch to the unique environment created (heck, my iPhone's alarm clock plays the "Tron Scherzo" track to wake me up in the morning. Yeah, ok, maybe a little too geeky :-)
The Tron 2.0 game didn't really "do much" for me, and I'm not someone who get's all hyped up over a bad quality cell phone (or god knows what) recording of a teaser - if it ain't HD, I woudn't normally bother watching it. I mainly wanted to see it to scoff at it and make fun of it (my haven't I gotten to be an ass as I've gotten older ;-)
After seeing that... wow. It just looked right. Hopefully, someone isn't about to piss on what was a cool movie concept back then. But, even that low quality crappy version just looks too damned cool! Some one has got to go beat a high quality copy outta someone and post it online soon!
Time to load up MAME and play a little Disks of Tron and throw the DVD in the player :-)
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Maybe these changes will be explained as having to do with computer advances or something, but I find them jarring.
What's with all this waiting - nobody is getting any younger you know!
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
sudo apt-get install armagetron
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Or perhaps something like this (SFW)
From your last comment, it is probably fair to believe that you are too young to have seen it when it came out. I won't claim that it is a brilliant piece of film making or that there aren't a number of plot holes. You are, however, missing the big picture - a) it is the source of a number of those clichés you are complaining about and b) you probably weren't in the target demographic (early teens) when you watched it. Let's face it, that is the way nostalgia works.
That said, I can't say I have enormous hopes for Tr2n, even though I am part of the "Tron generation". The problem is that when I watch Tron (and War Games), I can't get away from my bias to like them. However, I'm not going to be able to watch Tr2n with ten year old eyes, so that bar is raised enormously.It kind of makes you wonder who they are making this for - young kids who've never the original or folks of my generation that are likely to be hypercritical when it doesn't live up to their memories of the original?
Well duh; They originally spent something like $25 million, now equal to 50 million, to make Tron. And that was after they gave up and outsourced the job of "manually composite up to 30 layers into every frame" to a southeast Asian shop about halfway through.
But yeah, I'm really worried that they'll fuck it up. They were smart enough to bring back Wendy Carlos and a lot of the original actors to do Tron 2.0's music & vocals. Not smart enough to make it sound like everyone wasn't standing alone in front of the mic reading the words, but none the less. If they don't do that this time, I'll be first in line to lynch 'em after I glue a saw blade to a frisbee...
Please, guys, don't rape one of my favorite movies...
Speed Racer showed us physics-defying CGI cars, and pretended that it was happening in the real world. The result was, hmmm, kinda sucky. TR2N, otoh, is going to give us physics-defying CGI light-cycles, but admit that it's all happening in an unreal world. I expect that this movie will be a visual orgasm.
PS I watched that trailer five times before coming back here to post this.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
was the original movie that great? or is it just nerd chic... regardless, you can just play armagetron with similar affect as that really crappy cam. while on the topic thoughm 0.5/10 video/ shit. that shitty of a cam should be illegal
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The good news: George Lucas is not involved in this one, but rumor is that Pixar may be.
At first, I was going to cry, "Bullshit", but then I thought about it a bit more. On the 25th anniversay DVD, John Lassiter tells us that TRON inspired him to get into CGI animation, and let's face it, any one of us could replicate TRON's special effects at home today. The day after Disney acquired Pixar, I could see Lassiter saying, "OK, I want to do my first live action movie, and I want it to be TRON". With all those pitch-black backgrounds and such, that trailer does't need the CPU cycles that even the original Toy Story required; Pixar could do all the needed effects for the movie using their secretaries' computers during lunch. What TRON needs is a good story, and story is exactly what sets Pixar ahead of everyone else doing CGI these days.
Yeah, I can see Pixar wanting to stretch a bit, create something a bit darker and more adult than their previous efforts. I can see TR2N being that movie.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
When yesterday I heard of Tr2n for the first time I got so excited I almost ... ;-) I really love the original movie, but this has been sad so many times already.
However, I got really annoyed by the fact(?) that the characters in the forthcoming movie are going to be fully 3D -- just like in *arg* Beowulf.
Regarding the original movie I especially liked the real-human characters. What moron (sorry) had the idea to make them 3D, too? Admittedly the "Image synthesis industry" has improved very very much when it comes to human characters, but hey.........
Not very surprising. I'm 25 years old and I would be hard pressed to find anyone I know that has even seen it let a lone someone that would be excited for a sequel (myself.. I'm leaning towards meh on the whole thing). With that insipid 2 in the name and the almost certainty it will be another 3D eye candy stroke fest (Beowulf anyone?)
So you were born a year after the original came out. Most people under the age of 30 think things before they were born don't matter - like most of your friends too I imagine. Keep in mind that video games back then looked pathetic compared to the original film, the very new x86 computer platform was rocking in DOS, even Apples were command line based, and wtf is a mouse? This was a CGI enhanced film before anybody knew what that really was. Just because you now have films that really don't look 26 years more advanced isn't Tron's problem. The original had subtle references to the founding of HP, Flynn included many subtle features of various pioneers in the industry including Steve Jobs. Dillinger's desk might as well be the prototype for the Surface Computer. It is in every sense, a classic.
Yeah, I can't wait to see what 26 years of advancement will bring.
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I'm moderately interested in this Tron, and I'm 24. I saw it once I was really young and loved it, though I didn't really know what was going on beyond a guy being stuck inside a computer (I guess that's all that you need to know though!). I happily saw it on TV more recently and now actually know what a mainframe etc is so it made a bit more sense. The graphics are pretty cool in a retro way, and were probably amazing for the time.
I also went through a month or two of playing a lot of Armagetron - it's a great online lightcycles game with some neat ideas like 1st person camera, and server defined 'buffer' time when you run into a wall so that you can actually pull off some really impressive moves like running down a paper thin gap between 2 trails. The sound effects are also pretty authentic. The keyboard input didn't work very well for me on Linux compared to XP, it lagged, but maybe that was just my system :(
which is totally what she said
Heh, mod parent informative or funny, I didn't even think of that when I read the GP :p
(info from Wikipedia)
Movie versions:
* Original workprint version (1982, 113 minutes)
* A San Diego Sneak Preview shown only once in May 1982
* The U.S. theatrical version (1982, 116 minutes)
* The International Cut (1982, 117 minutes) also known as the "Criterion Edition" or uncut version
* The U.S. broadcast version (1986, 114 minutes)
* The Ridley Scott-approved Director's Cut (1992, 116 minutes)
* Ridley Scott's Final Cut (2007, 117 minutes), or the "25th Anniversary Edition,"
Authorised Book Sequels (by K.W. Jeter, a friend of Philip K. Dick):
* Blade Runner 2: The Edge of Human (1995)
* Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night (1996)
* Blade Runner 4: Eye and Talon (2000)
When I started writing this post I was going to have a few additional versions as a joke, but 7 is enough of a joke in itself.
which is totally what she said
How is their funding?
If it's weak, has anyone set up an account for donations?
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If you're serious about your age, I suggest you get out of Slashdot while you're still young. I suggest Facebook, or an afterschool activity.
And quite frankly... It was consistently better than the crap you are fed. See, we got to watch Star Wars (and Han shot first!) you were sold the sanitized and commercialized after-births. We got Tron, you haven't had anything like it. (No, the matrix is not nearly as innovative, visually inspiring or thought provoking.) We got Blade Runner too and Alien. You got nothing or poor sequels.
The fact that you don't "get it", Mr. Burton speaks volumes of your generation. Yes, Tron 2 will probably be a disappointment to those of us that chose jobs, hobbies and careers because of the magic we experienced with Tron. But at least we had that magic once.
And that's just talking about movies. I can mention literature, music and art examples too. All going back thousands of years. Your generation is culturally bankrupt.
Why don't you put down the console controller and iPod long enough to get out and experience some of the things that occurred prior to your birth (which, by the way, was also clearly another entirely un-noteworthy event in the history of your generation.)
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
(That's Hamlet by the way written by another imaginative fellow long before your time.)
I will never live for sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
Yes, and if you look at the current "gaming" computers, they're in for a new spin spinning (did I just write that?)
That's a sequel I want to see....
"Why do people get hung up on stories having to have this amazing storyline to them. I love how vague parts of the story are AND how simple they are."
I wish to heck that I still had my copy of the paperback that filled in some of the details. There was more to it than ended up in the movie. Folks, I don't know who the author of that book knew in the industry, but he definitely knew at least one person who would qualify as "one of us."
The back story in the paperback, which was definitely G-rated but also definitely not targeted to 10-year-olds, described a life that many of us who've ever done corporate software development know (both the good and the bad sides). I was just getting my start in the industry, in school, at the time, but even then I could tell that this movie told a story about my still-nascent subculture. It did so in a manner that was more "The Soul of a New Machine" (Tracy Kidder) than it was "Office Space". It was the stuff of geek fantasy for a workaday programmer to end up in a video game -- and have his/her real life relationship interest in there, too. To fight good vs. evil, in an even more straighforward manner than we did in those all-day, all-night Saturday D&D sessions in college.
As improbable as it was, in a society where geekdom was still this thing hidden behind combination-lock doors, someone in Hollywood made a decent attempt at telling our story. And they did it in a way that even those who were not yet in the industry, but who felt the pull of technology, "got it".
Tron rocks. I had the book. I had the CALENDAR. I still know the question-mark-shaped pattern for one of the light cycle levels on the original arcade game, and could probably still blast gridbugs with the best of them. (Anyone know where to find a Tron game in the Seattle / Eastside area so that I can test that theory?)
Here's a zoomed and stabilized version of the bootlegged trailer:
http://tron2trailer.blogspot.com/
How do you even pronounce something like that? "Two" doesn't sound like the letter "O" nor does it look like one.
It definitely violates L337 sp34k convention, but if you take the typeface into account it's a valid permutation of "TRON 2". Compare the logos of the two movies- the top half of the "O" and the "2" are identical. The only variation is in the bottom half of the character. Sure it's contrived from a phonetic standpoint, but visually it works.
Disclaimer: I just watched the vid for the first time and am bursting with excitement over this, so for the moment at least I'm in complete NRE/"They can do no wrong" mode. :-)
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I've beaten it at least ten times
Wow. And here I thought that I was the biggest fan of the game around! I've only beaten it 3 times, but it definitely ranks among my top 2 games of all time (possibly behind Deus Ex).
I've considered TRON 2.0 to be "the" sequel to TRON. The story, the visual style, the music, and the overall execution make it a more than worthy successor to the original movie, taking everything that made TRON special, expanding upon it, and updating it while remaining completely true to the original. A long while back I downloaded a script for a proposed sequel to TRON, and despite being an actual movie script it still fell far short of TRON 2.0's storyline.
And therein lies my only concern about TR2N. Even though it's "just" a video game, TRON 2.0 sets the bar very high indeed for a sequel. The ComicCon video clip is stunning, but they're still going to have to do something very special to make a sequel that lives up to TRON 2.0.
As an aside, the only aspect of TRON 2.0 that I didn't love was the Green Hornets light cycle circuit. I was able to beat it (3 times), but it's insanely difficult! Your thoughts?
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Did that really give you chills? I gotta back up houghi's comment - I don't wanna see another of my childhood memories get fucked over.
I'm in the target demographic, too. That video looks like another Hollywood formula movie, even down to the guy getting flipped out of his bike, coming right up to the "camera" before falling back again. We've all seen it before.
I'm really bummed out by that video. You're right about the original being a defining icon for our generation, but what the hell was that game advertisement about? Those weren't light cycles, the attraction of the original was how the cycles and tanks were familiar yet moved like they weren't part of this universe.
These more "realistic" yet obviously CGI bikes are not Tron. Maybe they should have called it "The Phantom Sequel", "Attack of the MCP", or perhaps "Revenge of Zark".
The original movie pushed the limits of technology that was current at the time. I see this sequel as pushing the limits of technology that is current at this time - I kind of dig that. I wouldn't want to see the same polygonal "digiverse" as originally presented.
I must disagree with your comment about it being a "formula" film however because in one respect you're right: 99% of what comes out of Hollywood is a formula film - so why should this be any different? The original was a formula film as well ; if you study mythic structure in writing ("The Hero with a Thousand Faces", Joseph Campbell for example), it becomes pretty easy to spot the identical plots between the likes of Star Wars and Tron and just about every other movie you've ever enjoyed. The formula itself is not what makes or breaks the movie...
Hmmm... yeah, I guess you've got a point. But I'm not 8 anymore.
The first thing that struck me in that teaser were the visual cliches. I didn't have as much movie-watching history under my belt back in 1982, so I didn't notice the formula (I was born 1974).
But if I'm the target demographic (mid thirties, geeky, fan of the original), they've got to account for the fact I've grown up. The formula plus SPFX isn't enough anymore.
The next one will obviously feature light-trains instead of light-cycles and will be set in a Spanish-speaking locale.
Not to mention it got a screeplay Oscar nom.
Hasn't anyone suggested "Tron++" yet?
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