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"War On Terror" Board Game Confiscated In UK

An anonymous reader writes "The board game The War On Terror is a satirical game in which George Bush's 'Axis of Evil' is reduced to a spinner in the middle of the board, which determines which player is designated a terrorist state. That person then has to wear a balaclava (included in the box set) with the word 'Evil' stitched onto it. Kent police said they had confiscated the game because the balaclava 'could be used to conceal someone's identity or could be used in the course of a criminal act.' Balaclavas are freely sold all over the place in the area." Schneier has blogged this stupidity, of course.

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  1. Police thugs by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All too often Police confuse "fighting crime" and "protecting the peace" with authoritarian "because I said so and I have a gun" mentality.

    I refrain from a rant, but the more police I meet, the more I hate the police.

    1. Re:Police thugs by Bryansix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with you there. Sometimes Police take matters in their own hands when they should be busy enforcing the actual laws on the books. In addition many police just act above the law when off duty simply because they are police during the day. Really the police should be policed more rigorously then the general public.

    2. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't have guns, this is the UK

    3. Re:Police thugs by pilgrim23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am older, and was raised to always trust a policeman.
      As an adult, I rarely say this: My parents were wrong.
      The Republic is now an Empire.. with the centurions carrying assault rifles
      Rei Publicae Scutum no longer...

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    4. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fredy Villanueva, Montreal.

      yeah, moral of the story is if you're a teen don't play dice outside, or else expect to be shot dead by cops when they come to harass you for making the grave mistake of not being born white.

    5. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't hate police, mostly because I respect their job and understand the difficulties that arise from it. For instance, they were probably sent in there to confiscate all materials related to crimes. It wasn't that they decided "hey, lets go steal this board game" it was lets take everything in here that could possibly be related to crimes in any way. That being said, I do agree that it is ridiculous that they took the board game, it's just not a good enough reason to "hate the police."

    6. Re:Police thugs by CrackedButter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But why don't they have the capacity to think. Can't they go back to the station empty handed and simply say all they found was a board game?

    7. Re:Police thugs by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      it's just not a good enough reason to "hate the police."

      I'm not going to go on my typical police rant, but this is not an isolated incident, but a general pattern of behavior seemingly for police everywhere.

      I know a LOT of police. I have a step brother who is head of a police union. I have plenty of stories.

      The police almost NEVER come to your door to "help" you. Even if they save your life, keep your mouth shut. In Boston the last few years we've had fairly peaceful celebrations after some sports wins, and the police are leading the homicide and injury count.

      In dorchester and southie (Boston, MA) under-achievers became criminals or cops. The cops are worse.

    8. Re:Police thugs by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am older, and was raised to always trust a policeman.
      As an adult, I rarely say this: My parents were wrong.
      The Republic is now an Empire.. with the centurions carrying assault rifles

      when I traveled to the UK, many years ago, I ran into the same sentiment - that 'ask a friendly policeman on the corner' if you need help or have a question. nice friendly guys (....)

      that ship has sailed. now, the current wisdom is to never talk to cops (2) never talk to cops (1)

      this is BOTH a copy AND a lawyer giving this advice!

      clearly, they are not anymore representing 'the will of the people'. they are anti-freedom and you would be best advised to consider the huge risk by even talking to them, even if you are innoncent. a slip of a casual word CAN be used against you and there is never ever 'off the record' when you talk to cops.

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    9. Re:Police thugs by Thangodin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. There may be many good police, but you only need a few bad ones...

      The main problem with giving police discretionary powers is that many police have no discretion.

    10. Re:Police thugs by damburger · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since when did our police not have guns? The unarmed bobby on a bicycle toting a whistle is very much a thing of the past.

      As one unfortunate Brazillian man found out, our police have guns and they are all too happy to use them.

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    11. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the article "The satirical board game was confiscated along with knives, chisels and bolt cutters, from climate protesters during a series of raids near Kingsnorth power station, in Kent, last week." So they actually just grabbed a ton of stuff. It's not like the only thing they took was the board game. I agree that they probably should have been more selective, but generally they prefer to be on the thorough side, versus the nicer side.

    12. Re:Police thugs by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't have guns. Firearms Units are the only police officers authorised and trained to use firearms. Jean Charles de Menezes wasn't shot by some random bobby who took the law into his hands, he was shot by a specialist Firearms Unit which had been readied for possible use against a terrorist suspect in his neighbourhood, whose superiors should've known what they were doing.

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    13. Re:Police thugs by Faluzeer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hmmm

      It is more accurate to state that the majority of Police officers in the UK do not carry guns. There are, of course, specially trained officers that do carry guns are part of the course of their normal duties.

    14. Re:Police thugs by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? They are given power and responsibility beyond a normal citizen. They should be held to a higher standard.

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    15. Re:Police thugs by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have nothing to fear but the state itself

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    16. Re:Police thugs by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, have you ever been hurt/beat up by a terrorist? Harassed by a terrorist? Framed by a terrorist? Most of us haven't but for most people at least one of the above has happened with them and a cop.

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    17. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't disagree with this, they should be policed more rigorously than the general public, and they usually are. If a cop comes under investigation for a crime, it is a lot more likely to make it to Court than if it is a private citizen, at least in Canada anyways. The best solution to this problem is to allocate more money to police budget so that you have more people wanting to become police officers (since now you'll have an actual benefit to the amount of work they have to do) and can be pickier with who you choose.

    18. Re:Police thugs by jason.sweet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not exactly. TFA indicates that the raid was on an environmental group, presumably planning or preparing for an act that could be considered and act of terror. If you are investigating an alleged terrorist, confiscating a box with the word "terror" printed on it is probably erring on the side of caution.

      Nothing in TFA indicates whether or not the raid was justified, but it is pretty clear that the group's ownership of the game was not the cause of the raid.

    19. Re:Police thugs by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I refrain from a rant, but the more police I meet, the more I hate the police.

      I don't. Refrain, I mean; here's my rant from January- Police State: In USSA, cops hassle YOU! The police ought to serve a good purpose, protecting us from robbers, thieves, rapists, murderers, etc. But all too often the police themselves are the villians. The last link is about a cop here in central Illinois who was charged with 49 felonies including one count of obstructing justice, three counts of criminal sexual abuse, seven counts of criminal sexual assault, seven counts of armed violence, 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual assault, and 21 counts of official misconduct. He plead guilty to TWO MISDEMEANORS and got off. Anybody else would have been behind bars for the rest of their lives.

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    20. Re:Police thugs by damburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Furthermore, some have suggested that the ridiculously gung-ho attitude displayed by the police on that day may in part be a result of having received counter-terrorism training from the Israelis, hardly renowned for respecting the civil rights of those they consider enemies of the state.

      Of course, that hardly exonerates the officers in question, any more than 'we were obeying orders' exonerated Nazis.

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    21. Re:Police thugs by kalirion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There should also be an effort made to ensure that the Police are in fact aware of what the laws are.

    22. Re:Police thugs by Kamokazi · · Score: 4, Informative

      To be fair, from TFA:

      "The satirical board game was confiscated along with knives, chisels and bolt cutters, from climate protesters during a series of raids near Kingsnorth power station, in Kent, last week."

      The game was one of the items they took along with the real dangerous stuff. They were presumably caught planning a break-in to a power plant (the article is scant on important details, and chooses to focus on the board game). It's still kind of stilly that they took the game, but realizing that they had knived and devices intended to break into and probably sabotage a power plant puts a whole different perspective on the situation. I would chalk it more up to police officers being overcautious (or clueless) and siezing anything that could possibly be considered evidence of their intentions. Had they has other baclavas, they probably would have siezed those as well).

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    23. Re:Police thugs by Deadplant · · Score: 3, Funny

      coastguard?

      -homer

    24. Re:Police thugs by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like the beginning of a MOnthy Python scetch:
      We have nothing to fear but the state itself.
      -And fear.
      What?
      -We have to fear fear itself.
      Oh yes. We have nothing to fear but the state itself and fear.
      -And terrorists.
      We have nothing to fear but the state itself and fear and terrorists.
      -And ...

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    25. Re:Police thugs by anonicon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Atheil said: That being said, I do agree that it is ridiculous that they took the board game, it's just not a good enough reason to "hate the police."

      May I credit you as the inspiration for the Atheil Doctrine?

      The Atheil Doctrine

      The probability that the police are considered trustworthy, professional, and "not worth hating" is inversely proportional to whether you've been the recipient of police criminal behavior, misconduct, or overzealousness.

    26. Re:Police thugs by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      go watch BOTH, videos, dude. its a cop AND a lawyer. no, its not someone who THINKS they are a lawyer, its the real deal and he's giving valid legal advice.

      if you don't believe him, why would you reject the cop's view - it ALSO echo's the same thing. he goes into detail about how they are TRAINED to probe you for info and even an innocent statement can hang you by the 'nads.

      this is not 'an interesting video' it should be REQUIRED READING/WATCHING in civics class. people must be taught that the state is now to be held with strong distrust. in fact, that was some of the basic operational concepts in the founding of america!

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    27. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Though, I do worry a bit about the highly trained specialist Firearms Unit shooting *eleven* dumdum bullets at the guy on a busy subway train. Three of the bullets actually missed at close range.

      It doesn't sound like the work of a trained marksman, it's the sort of behaviour I would expect of a scared lunatic.

    28. Re:Police thugs by haystor · · Score: 2, Funny

      The police are held more accountable today than ever just as their transgressions are better and better reported.

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    29. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and can be pickier with who you choose.

      And actually fire people when they abuse their power. If police were actually penalized for egregious abuses of power like this, we wouldn't have enough police officers to generate revenue for the city.

    30. Re:Police thugs by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      OK then you racist, authoritarian tosser, let me tear apart your idiotic rambling

      1. His overstaying his visa has nothing to do with it. The punishment for that is not summary execution, outside your right-wing fantasies.

      2. He was never given a warning to stop, you are simply lying. If you think otherwise, provide a credible claim for this source of stop pissing on the poor mans grave.

      3. The idea that he ran in response to the presence of the police is absurd because the police who were tailing him were in plain clothes. He had no idea what was going on until they entered the carriage and murdered him. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

      4. Shut the fuck up you BNP loving organ of the police state, and have some respect for an innocent victim of extreme police brutality.

      Scum like you make me ashamed of Britian.

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    31. Re:Police thugs by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only way law enforcement can truly hold any power over mind is if the command equal parts fear and admiration.

      With this lack of discretion becoming more common, people are losing both.

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    32. Re:Police thugs by damburger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bullshit. The guys who shot Jean-Charles de Menezes were ultimately only convicted of a health and safety violation. As Mark Steel dryly commented, shooting someone in the head 7 times is both unhealthy and unsafe.

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    33. Re:Police thugs by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed, the lofty positions and training of all involved just makes it worse. They're supposed to be the anti-terrorist elite, and they stalk some random guy around London for an hour, let him onto a train, and shoot him to bits in front of the passengers? Begging their pardon, but even if he had been a terrorist, their reactions would've showed a staggering degree of ineptitude. From investigation to execution, it was just plain bad policing.

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    34. Re:Police thugs by drakono · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The more Youtube "police oppression" videos I see, the more I hate the police. The more police I meet, the more I like the police. Observer bias?

    35. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He was shot by someone doing their job. If you're going to blame people, at least blame the right people. It was the superiors who made the mistake. If you're the member of a firearms squad and State Red is declared as you're running after a suspected terrorist who just got on a train, then you can hardly be blamed for shooting the person when he looks like he's about to blow himself up.

      I'm not defending the intelligence services, but don't blame the person with the gun; blame the people who declared JCDM to be a threat that needed to be stopped.

      [ Reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7073125.stm ]

    36. Re:Police thugs by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. The GP makes a valid point about how the police need to be policed more rigorously than other citizens. When a 'normal' citizen steps out of line, that's one thing. When someone with the power of arrest and considerable other powers steps out of line, that's a very serious matter. Nothing undermines society more than corrupt officials who should be enforcing the rules.

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    37. Re:Police thugs by jregel · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem with Stockwell wasn't with one individual getting it wrong; it was the entire intelligence operation that couldn't communicate properly and panicked in the aftermath of the 7/7 bombings. The result was a tragic mistake.

      I wouldn't call the people who shot Jean Charles de Menezes morons. He/They got the wrong man, but they followed a man who they thought was going to be a suicide bomber down into the Tube to stop him. That actually calls for a fair amount of bravery.

      Of course, this might all be completely off-topic because according to The Times, the "policemen" might have actually been Special Forces Military Intelligence (the super secret SRR).

      Although the anti-Police sentiments seem to be popular on Slashdot, my personal, limited experience with the UK Police has always been postive. I find that if you are polite and show them respect, and don't automatically take a defensive position, they tend to be absolutely fine. YMMV.

    38. Re:Police thugs by EchaniDrgn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Case in point: I sold a car (on a trailer) to an off duty police officer. When I said I'd tow the car to his place because the registration wasn't current he said he could just drive it home. I pointed out the expired tags and he said, "It's OK, if I get pulled over I'll just Badge 'em."

      I wish I were lying.

    39. Re:Police thugs by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The person with the gun is the one that pulled the trigger.

      Sure his superiors fucked up, and royally so.

      But he was the one to make the call, and by the looks of it anybody with a coat on on a warm day is now subject to possible shootings by overzealous police officers.

      I repeat, there was *0* and I really mean absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the person they were following was a terrorist. Whoever gets to follow the orders carries part of the blame, you can not be absolved for killing an innocent person by claiming to simply be doing your job, that sort of excuse went out the window a long long time ago, and for a very good reason.

      The hand that pulls the trigger is connected to an arm that is connected to a brain, that is supposed to think for itself, not to blindly follow orders, especially not if they're coming from a group of people that have been known to err before.

      The whole system of justice is based on evidence, that's not a thing to throw overboard lightly.

      The person that was shot had not committed any crime, was not about to commit any crime, was not charged with any crime (regardless of whether they committed one), had no history of committing crimes that would require that person to be stopped with such force.

      ESPECIALLY NOT TO BE SHOT IN THE HEAD FROM POINT BLANK RANGE.

    40. Re:Police thugs by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even the police's official stance is actually that he was wearing a light demin jacket and jeans, walked the whole time, used his Oyster card to enter the station, walked down the steps, then ran across the platform to board the train before it left, and at no point did they identify themselves. Surprisingly this version didn't get nearly as much press coverage as the "parka-wearing lunatic dives across ticket barriers as armed police yell at him to stop" version. Guess the media are too busy to run corrections?

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    41. Re:Police thugs by pluther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The real dangerous stuff" is "...knives, chisels and bolt cutters..."

      I have all of those in my home, too. Along with even more dangerous stuff like shovels, hedge clippers, wire cutters, electronics tools, chemicals, an axe, a lawnmower and a couple of rakes.

      I also have a good deal of satirical materials, including a card game about Nuclear War.

      And I've even been involved in "climate protests" - there are even pictures of me online before the Iraq invasion carrying a mass-made sign proclaiming "Go solar, not ballistic".

      Yet, it's never even occurred to me to try to "break into and probably sabotage a power plant". Not even when I lived near one.

      Perhaps I'm safe because I don't own a balaclava?

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    42. Re:Police thugs by BemoanAndMoan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my experience it is also far more likely to be dismissed out of hand as well. Police, and members of the military for that matter, are rarely held accountable for their actions other than demotions or dismissal, if for no other reason than that they are part of a system that can and does protect itself. The fact is the average police officer is a (barely) high school-educated ex-jock who's interest/ability extends no further than the car and gun, and who hasn't the first clue or care how to enforce the basic laws, never mind discerning between real, perceived and obviously ludicrous threats.

    43. Re:Police thugs by stbill79 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Like everything else touched by government, throwing more money at the problem is rarely the answer.

      Besides, it appears that the government really isn't interested in hiring brighter police offers.

    44. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Canada recently a women's car was hit from behind by an off-duty cop in the wee hours of the morning, after being pulled over by an on duty cop.

      The off duty cop was returning from a cop party, he was not given a sobriety test and all the cops who were asked to testify as to his soberness declared that they could not recall.

      This is just one example from many.

      I totally distrust the police. The only attitude to take is us vs them. We are expected to testify against offenders but the police will *never* testify against their own.

    45. Re:Police thugs by KevinKnSC · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suggest we stick with fact-based discussions.

      Why start now?

    46. Re:Police thugs by corbettw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm all for highlighting examples of police corruption and brutality, but that second article you linked to raises more questions about the prosecution than the cop involved. Seems like something especially shady was going on (especially with the possible FBI investigation into the prosecutor).

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    47. Re:Police thugs by rilian4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "...authoritarian 'because I said so and I have a gun" mentality.'"

      ...and you wonder why some of us fight to keep the right to bear arms in this country. This is precisely what happens when you allow only police and military to carry weapons...the loss of freedom to the people.

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    48. Re:Police thugs by rilian4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bingo! Government of the people, by the people and for the people. That's how it was set up by our founding fathers, with appropriate checks and balances on all 3 sections of federal government.
      ...Much of which has been flushed down the proverbial crapper over the last 150 years w/ accelerated flushing in the last 15 or so years.

      I have to disagree w/ your signature though. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens only lets criminals have a free reign.

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    49. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm curious how closely you've dealt with the Military. I used to work loss prevention for AAFES and I've gotten a pretty good glimpse into Military Justice. I'd say that if anything the majority of the time the Military is harder on their people than civilians. On top of all the punishments that come at a soldier from civilian court they face further discipline up to and including loss of their career for their actions.

      If crimes are committed on post they may be relegated to the command to handle and commanders can issue punishments including loss of rank, loss of pay, confinement and separation from the military. If the crimes occur off post the civilian courts get first crack followed by the commanders.

      I have to disagree that it's likely to be dismissed out of hand.

      Thanks
      Eric

    50. Re:Police thugs by janrinok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've got some bad news for you then. If a firearms officer is told that 'X' is a terrorist, he is not expected to conduct his own investigation as to whether 'X' really is a terrorist or not. He has to accept the information that he is given - the responsibility for this lies with his superiors. The firearms officer is not the one responsible in this case. He was acting on information that he had been given which had been approved by his superiors. If he believes that 'X' posed a threat his correct response was to open fire - at whatever range he can reasonably expect to achieve a 'kill' - and remove the threat without unduly risking the life of others. Police do NOT aim to wound. A head shot is acceptable when it can be done without risk to others, otherwise multiple shots to the body are usually deemed as acceptable.

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    51. Re:Police thugs by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      FTFA: "George Bush's 'Axis of Evil' is reduced to a spinner in the middle of the board, which determines which player is designated a terrorist state. That person then has to wear a balaclava (included in the box set) with the word 'Evil' stitched onto it. Kent police said they had confiscated the game because the balaclava 'could be used to conceal someone's identity or could be used in the course of a criminal act.'

      Ok...so, I gotta ask. In the UK, are costume shops and halloween masks against the law?

      Can you be busted for wearing the fake nose attached to the eyeglasses thing?

      It is against the law over there to use the Lil Bastard disquise kit, and alter your appearance? Hair dye a no-no?

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    52. Re:Police thugs by ozamosi · · Score: 5, Funny

      We'll use the slashdot moderation system and let the public police the police that police the police.

      What's great about this is that we already have a metamoderation system, so we can police the public that police the police that police the police.

    53. Re:Police thugs by Wildclaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when I traveled to the UK, many years ago, I ran into the same sentiment - that 'ask a friendly policeman on the corner' if you need help or have a question. nice friendly guys (....)

      that ship has sailed. now, the current wisdom is to never talk to cops (2) [youtube.com] never talk to cops (1) [youtube.com]

      Wow, you are completly misrepresenting those videos. Neither one says anything about not talking with the neighbourhood police. If you are a witness, victim or simply have a question they don't apply.

      The videos specifically address the issue of being a suspect or in a position where you can become a suspect. In that kind of situation you shouldn't volunteer anything freely as it is never in your own interest to do so. Instead just shut up, repeat your rights, be polite and call a lawyer. That is just simple common sense and have always been. Of course, people have never had common sense, thinking instead that they can outsmart a professional interrogator (and yes, that is part of what a policeman is).

      The first part (the lawyer part) is also about a failing justice system where getting convictions is more important thatn finding out the truth. When prosecutors will bend/hide the truth just to get a conviction, then you know that you have a problem. Also, the fact that in the US anything you say can be used against you, but nothing you say can be used for you is another big imbalance.

    54. Re:Police thugs by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Informative

      yeah, well I have some news for you too, look at these two photos side by side and tell me if you can tell the difference:

      http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/08/17/menezes_osman_wideweb__430x253.jpg

      The guy on the left is the guy that got shot, the guy on the right is the guy they were looking for.

      Some other guy a bit further below posted an excellent link to an article in the register that details just how screwed up the situation really was. This should have *NEVER* happened. Really, there is absolutely no excuse for it.

      Police apprehend, they certainly do not kill before having a positive id.

    55. Re:Police thugs by Shotgun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realize this happened in the UK, right?

      No federal government there. And no concept of by or for the people either.

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    56. Re:Police thugs by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't disagree with this, they should be policed more rigorously than the general public, and they usually are. If a cop comes under investigation for a crime, it is a lot more likely to make it to Court than if it is a private citizen, at least in Canada anyways.

      Wow, that is certainly not the case in the US. In my state we actually have special exemptions in our handgun laws for police officers because normal people convicted of domestic violence are not allowed to carry concealed pistols... but so many police officers have such a conviction, they made sure to exempt them. My brother used to be a cop. When pulled over for excessive speeding, the police saw he was a cop, chatted a bit, and let him go with no mention of the speeding, not even a warning. I suppose a lot of that falls under the category of police not being investigated when they are likely suspects in crimes, but in general the police are not policed well in the US.

    57. Re:Police thugs by trewornan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who shall guard the guards?

      A reference to the notorious Praetorian Guards.

    58. Re:Police thugs by jacquesm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, this is going to be based on what I can glean from the news, so it's biased at best, but just about all the cases involving the military that I can remember were pretty hard on the lower echelons but the people higher up almost always escaped real punishment.

    59. Re:Police thugs by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

      Come on man, just google for Latin to English translators.

      It means "Anyone protection ipsos protection" according to the one I found. So, yah...pretty deep.

    60. Re:Police thugs by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are already lost to propaganda...

      Labeling someone a terrorist, no matter how 'apt' the description is, does not really justify shooting an unarmed person several times at close range.

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    61. Re:Police thugs by 49152 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know how it is in the UK.

      But in most the rest of Europe we do not have summarily public executions on just the suspicion of being a terrorist.

    62. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A little of both. Cops know how the system works and they know that it's much better to get a lawyer and tough it out (because the state only has so much money). However, cops are pursued more vigorously by prosecuters and other cops because a) honest cops hate dirty cops, and b) the state loves a good, "look at us, we are stopping police corruption" headline.

    63. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Specific instances of police abuse of authority does not prove that "all police are evil and should be punished." If anything police are proven to be human. The cops involved in that incident should have been fired and/or charged, and I don't disagree with that. However, saying all police are bad from a specific instance is like saying all black people are bad because a black person robbed you one time. Yes, I'm equating hating the police to racism because they're both discrimination against a group for acts by individuals.

    64. Re:Police thugs by i.r.id10t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A domestic violence *arrest* will loose your gun rights... one of hte new federal laws. Of course, exempt for cops...

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    65. Re:Police thugs by k1e0x · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't disagree with this, they should be policed more rigorously than the general public, and they usually are. If a cop comes under investigation for a crime, it is a lot more likely to make it to Court than if it is a private citizen, at least in Canada anyways. The best solution to this problem is to allocate more money to police budget so that you have more people wanting to become police officers (since now you'll have an actual benefit to the amount of work they have to do) and can be pickier with who you choose.

      Are you kidding me? You want to pay them MORE?? Are you insane?

      Here is what happens.

      1. Cops do something terrible. (Tazer a man to death, shoot an unarmed man at point blank range, raid the wrong house and shoot grandma, dump a quadriplegic out of his wheelchair, etc.)

      2. The police department starts an official investigation.

      3. The officers are suspended with pay. This is in effect a paid vacation.

      4. After several months the department concludes that no wrong doing took place.

      5. Police officers involved in the incident return to work, and sometimes are even promoted.

      I can cite case after case after case of this happening.. search google for "police cleared of wrong doing" .. it will make you sick.

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    66. Re:Police thugs by swb · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a gun enthusiast myself and someone acquainted with a fair number of police officers, I will tell you that the average police officer doesn't have all that much interest in guns, either. Most cops shoot just enough to qualify (which doesn't involve much!) and don't know much about guns at all, including their own service weapons.

      Generally speaking, though, you're right -- police officers tend to be blue collar (or light-blue-collar junior college types) and not terribly interested in making subtle distinctions.

      But at the same time, having done ride-alongs and gotten to know some of them well enough, its easy to see why. There is a certain percentage of the population willing to believe that cops are always wrong and that crime is actually the rational response of the oppressed, the police bureaucracy in most larger departments is viciously political, and their job is entirely thankless.

    67. Re:Police thugs by janrinok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why only 7 shots - did they run out of ammunition? Once the decision is made to kill someone (and it is not a decision that is ever made lightly), then limiting the number of shots only serves to increase the risk to those required to enforce the law on our behalf. It is standard training. They do not do it because they have a bloodlust, nor are they out-of-control killers. They are being tasked to do an unpleasant and dangerous job because we, the public, demand that someone protects us. If you don't like the training, or object even to having armed police at all, seek out your Member of Parliament and have him do something about it. But please don't come complaining when the next armed robbery takes place and the only counter we have are policemen carrying a truncheon. You can have it anyway you please, but you cannot have it both ways at once.

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    68. Re:Police thugs by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      This confisaction happened at a protest rally, not in game stores. The police confiscated items which seemed likely to be used by troublemakers, including bolt cutters and balaclavas with the word evil stiched on them.

      Still a horrible abuse of police power, IMO, but not the work of drooling idiots.

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    69. Re:Police thugs by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was born here. I have every right to be here without consenting to any agreement whatsoever.

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    70. Re:Police thugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, no, there's a slight difference:

      Cops mostly have a similar mindset and agenda. The majority of people have had negative personal experiences with the police. The police force works as a unit to accomplish its goals and protect its members.

      Black people are generally very diverse and may have a variety of motivations and agendas. The average racist has not had any negative personal experiences with black people and hates them based on assumption and hearsay. Lastly, there is no evidence of a vast racial conspiracy. The black community is notorious for its fragmented nature and black people rarely strive to do anything as a group.

    71. Re:Police thugs by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even the least corrupt cop is evil because they have to enforce evil laws. Every cop on the beat is participating in the persecution of marijuana smokers, for instance. There's absolutely no justification for that. Any person who would use violent force against the non-violent, deserves all the contempt and scorn in the world.

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    72. Re:Police thugs by pcolaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Beat me to it. In many states, transportation of a newly purchased vehicle is usually adequate reason to drive a vehicle with out of date registration, as long as registration is obtained within a reasonable period of time. In many cases if a ticket is given, updating the registration within a set period of time (in my state, 10 days) would adjudicate the ticket, as long as proof is brought to the courthouse along with the ticket.

    73. Re:Police thugs by belmolis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the Israelis, renowned for respecting the civil rights of those they consider enemies of the state.

      Fixed that for you. For a country under continuous assault by the most vicious terrorists, who, along with their supporters, have no respect whatever for civil rights, Israel has been extraordinarily restrained. In what other country do terrorists not only have rapid access to the Supreme Court, but frequently win cases before the Supreme Court?

    74. Re:Police thugs by Atheil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if the person is just a businessman who committed fraud and stile 3.5 million dollars from 100,000 people? Would it be okay to arrest him? If you define arrest as "violent force" then using violent force against the non-violent is a necessity, not a sin. As to marijuana smoking, I'm a libertarian, as well as someone who enjoys cannabis. I believe it should be made legal. However, I don't blame the cops who enforce the law. Their job is to enforce the law no matter their personal bias and I respect them for that. I blame the gov't.

    75. Re:Police thugs by merreborn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whoever gets to follow the orders carries part of the blame, you can not be absolved for killing an innocent person by claiming to simply be doing your job, that sort of excuse went out the window a long long time ago, and for a very good reason.

      The hand that pulls the trigger is connected to an arm that is connected to a brain, that is supposed to think for itself, not to blindly follow orders, especially not if they're coming from a group of people that have been known to err before.

      Don't underestimate the power of the desire to obey:

      The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

              Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority. -- Stanley Milgram, 1974

      Read up on the work of Asch, Milgram, and Zimbardo. Research indicates that the desire to obey will drive most people to do things they would otherwise consider to be absolutely wrong.

      We're trained from an early age to do what ever teacher, mommy, and daddy tell us, regardless of our own desires -- because they know best. That training carries over into adulthood.

      Understanding that, it's hard to place the blame entirely on either the one giving the orders, or the one carrying them out.

    76. Re:Police thugs by 49152 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, in the US i suppose you would expect to risk your life. At least if I should believe guys like you on ./, what I read in the newspapers and what we see in American movies and television shows.

      I still hope it is a bit exaggerated, and not really representative for the majority of cases.
      If not I feel truly sorry for your people.

      In most of Europe (in fact most of the world) the police would chase after you but will not open fire unless you start shooting back at them. If they have reason to believe you are dangerous they will still warn you, usually several times before opening fire.

      And at least in my country I know for a fact they have instructions to shoot to disable and not to kill.

      After all we are not barbarians and have done away with the death penalty a long long time ago.

      BTW: The man in question here was unarmed and had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks or any other criminal activities.

      It has also been established that he never ran from the police as they initially claimed. The police later issued an official apology after this fact leaked to the press.

      He did however resemble slightly the man they were looking for. So does a lot of people in London.

      The fact of the case is that the police officers in question were jumping the gun in this case. Perhaps understandable after the bombings but that is a poor excuse.

      If we surrender our rights, freedom and justice system because of the threat of terrorist then the terrorist have won and we may be safe but not free.

      One should also remember that the terrorist threat might be spectacular and frightening but in reality it is relatively trivial.

      Many many more people die every year in traffic accidents than are being killed by terrorist.

      In fact there is a much higher probability that either of us will commit suicide than become victims of a terrorist attack.

      It is a sorry state of affairs but people seems to have lost all perspective about this.

    77. Re:Police thugs by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and you wonder why some of us fight to keep the right to bear arms in this country. This is precisely what happens when you allow only police and military to carry weapons...the loss of freedom to the people.

      You go use your gun to defend your freedoms against an over-zealous cop who doesn't fully know the law he's enforcing. Come back and let us know how you get on, assuming you're not dead.

    78. Re:Police thugs by name*censored* · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to disagree w/ your signature though. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens only lets criminals have a free reign.

      *sigh*. Find a country that has more stringent gun control - but a higher gun-related crime-rate than USA, then maybe you'll have some credibility. Hell, I'd settle for a comparison between "crimes-thwarted-by-armed-joe-sixpacks" versus "crimes-committed-with-legally-purchased-guns" which favours the former situation (and no, don't tell me that the knowledge of armed victims scares would-be criminals into lawfulness, if it did you'd have less crime). Besides, any "law abiding citizen" can purchase a gun, and then become a "criminal" once they have it - it's not like would-be criminals are born with the word "DANGER" tattooed into their foreheads.

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    79. Re:Police thugs by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      b) the state loves a good, "look at us, we are stopping police corruption" headline.

      I imagine the state loves not publicly admitting that police corruption exists even more. I suppose they probably prosecute vigorously once they're forced to, but I'll bet they vigorously resist starting the process at all.

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    80. Re:Police thugs by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should do a bit more reading about how the state of Israel came to be and how the Palestinians have been shafted by the rest of the Arabs and the Israelis both.

      I know *plenty* of Jewish people that do not wish to be associated with what Israel currently stands for (similar to the way many US citizens are not all that happy with the direction their country is taking).

    81. Re:Police thugs by grahamd0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're begging the question by assuming the government has a legitimate jurisdiction over the country.

      You were trolling about this anarchist fanastyland nonsense in another thread the other day. So here's your chance to defend you point of view.

      Please tell us all, for the record, who does govern the Unites States, if not the United States government? Where does their authority come from, if not the constitution? And finally, regardless of who you believe does govern the US, who should?

    82. Re:Police thugs by malkavian · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. none of the masks are illegal. Nor are the balaclavas, as they show about as much as the average Burqa. And the wearing of Burqas about the street has been shown to be legal in the UK (on the grounds that banning it would be religious discrimination, despite there being nothing about it being mandatory wear in the religious texts).
      Wonder what would happen if they changed the balaclava for a burqa in the box??

    83. Re:Police thugs by tkw954 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find that if you are polite and show them respect, and don't automatically take a defensive position, they tend to be absolutely fine.

      People earn respect. I'm not saying no police deserve respect, but if the only reason you pretend to respect a public servant is so that they will continue to not violently abuse you, something is wrong.

    84. Re:Police thugs by Larryish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Specific instances of police abuse of authority does not prove that "all police are evil and should be punished." If anything police are proven to be human. The cops involved in that incident should have been fired and/or charged, and I don't disagree with that. However, saying all police are bad from a specific instance is like saying all black people are bad because a black person robbed you one time. Yes, I'm equating hating the police to racism because they're both discrimination against a group for acts by individuals.

      Perhaps we should say that all police have a great potential for corrupt behavior, and should be monitored closely.

    85. Re:Police thugs by Original+Replica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone consents to be governed by staying in the country.

      That only works if: A)There is somewhere else to go where a man can be free. B)The rules you originally consent to remain unchanged. Option A is kinda viable in rural Alaska and the Australian outback, but the careful databasing of all citizens is rapidly destroying that freedom of remoteness. You could practice civil disobedience an refuse to pay taxes to fund a standing army, but even living in the remote wilderness the IRS would track you down and make you submit. Option B doesn't hold true when when things regarded as inalienable rights, become the objects of steady erosion and obscurification. When the way the agreement document (The Constitution) reads and the way it is enacted are so very different, you may have consented to being governed, but you are not getting the government you consented to.

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    86. Re:Police thugs by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If a cop comes under investigation for a crime, it is a lot more likely to make it to Court than if it is a private citizen

      Yeah that might hold true for murder or extortion but how about stuff like speeding tickets, running red lights, parking tickets, small amounts of pot, having fireworks? Cops don't ticket other off duty cops. If they don't have to obey the small laws why should they feel the need to obey the big laws?

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    87. Re:Police thugs by T3Tech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If police were actually penalized for egregious abuses of power like this, we wouldn't have enough police officers to generate revenue for the city.

      Ahh.. but then the city wouldn't have to spend as much on salaries for officers. Oh wait... that doesn't even come into the equation does it?

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    88. Re:Police thugs by itai.saku.kusari · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mod parent -1 redundant, please.

    89. Re:Police thugs by tkw954 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nowhere did I advocate discourtesy or unwarranted disrespect. The GP said "if you are polite and show them respect, and don't automatically take a defensive position, they tend to be absolutely fine." This implies that if you don't, things tend *not* to turn out fine. I'll rephrase what I said before: showing signs of respect only because of a threat (real or imagined) isn't respect, it's subservience and shouldn't be part of dealing with public servants.

      We do not grant the police the considerable powers we do so that they can use them to enforce courtesy (to themselves). A McDonald's employee may spit in your food if you are discourteous to him/her, but professional law enforcement officers are expected to behave professionally, even if you don't "happen to be white, male, and above the age of 30".

  2. Ironic in so many ways... by jayveekay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of which is that this is great publicity for the game and will surely increase sales.

    1. Re:Ironic in so many ways... by R_Dorothy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Deserved publicity. I've played this several times and it's a great game. Never fails to cause humorous infighting with plenty of obvious parallels with current world politics. I'd highly recommend it to anyone with a sense of humour who likes Risk.

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  3. Free Publicity by Nathan+Boley · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how much did the board game creators paid the police 'confiscate' the game? Talk about cheap advertising.

  4. They need another card. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Terrorists can use special cards such as "suicide bomber", "plane hijack" and "WMDs" to advance themselves.

    They need the "Police in free country crack down on their own people for idiotic reasons and abusing their authority thereby turning free country into a less-free country thereby aiding the terrorists" card.

    1. Re:They need another card. by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They need the "Police in free country crack down on their own people for idiotic reasons and abusing their authority thereby turning free country into a less-free country thereby aiding the terrorists" card.

      Actually, that's how the terrorist player wins the game.

    2. Re:They need another card. by T.E.D. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's kinda long-winded. How about an "Idiots Elected" card instead?

    3. Re:They need another card. by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And how is that different from every other election?

      If you honestly don't see a qualitative difference between the idiocy of the current administration and (just to keep it non-partisan) that of his father's, you really should give up both voting and handling sharp objects.

    4. Re:They need another card. by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you think most other politicians wouldn't have infringed upon our freedoms just as much, given the same circumstances, you really should give up both voting and handling sharp objects.

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    5. Re:They need another card. by sirambrose · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, the game allows any empire to create terrorist units to fight proxy wars. Once the terrorist units have been created, they may be used by other players. When an empire collapses, the player controlling that empire switches sides and joins the terrorist team who then control all the terrorist units previously created by the empires.

    6. Re:They need another card. by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess I should also give up reading then too, as that's what has told me that we've been through far worse situations than this in our history, without giving up nearly as much of our freedoms. There was a time when there were frigging enemy subs running up our rivers sinking traffic. We went through several actual insurrections, including one that resulted in the death of over a million Americans. This little terrorism thing we are going through is *nothing* by comparison. We weren't perfect through those times, but never were we nearly as bad as this.

      If you read up on how this all happened, you'll find that it was pushed from the top, in the (incorrect) belief that it would somehow help things.

      So you are asking me to believe that *anyone* would have been the stupidest most incompetent leader in our history if put in the presidency over the last 8 years? Believe that if it makes you feel better, but I'm not buying it.

    7. Re:They need another card. by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you think that GWB is stupid and incompetent, that's more proof you shouldn't be trusted with voting, or sharp objects (to use your own punishment). He's neither. He's corrupt and power-hungry. Any appearance of stupidity and incompetence is because he doesn't give a damn what he does, apart from accomplishing his own goals. Also note: I never said we're in a bad spot. We're not. The people's stupidity, and willingness to believe the world is about to fucking end, is what has allowed our government to perpetrate their abuses since 9/11. And yes, almost any politician would have taken advantage of that situation. GWB isn't an exception, he's the rule. They're almost all corrupt and power-hungry.

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  5. I don't understand? by UberHoser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why would you wear a dessert on your head? I mean I can see it if the game was like "Spin the bottle" or something of that ilk...

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  6. fashion statement by Chief_Wiggum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because when I think 'hijacking an airplane', I think about wearing a balaclava with the word EVIL stitched to my head.

    1. Re:fashion statement by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you can afford to ski, you can afford to buy something better than a scratchy knit hat with face holes in it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone wearing one while skiing, and that includes historical pictures. And besides, the pair of eye holes isn't shaped well for accommodating the kind of ski mask I have seen a lot of. The kind that is polarized and/or tinted. More often called "goggles."

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  7. Make a list by FredFredrickson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They better get started confiscating things because I've got a lot of identity concealing items around.

    -Any article of clothing
    -Towels
    -Sheets
    -Paper Bags
    -Ski masks
    -My Hands
    ...

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    1. Re:Make a list by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Funny

      But, um, a balaclava is a ski mask.

      Shhhh ... he hasn't figured that out yet. :-P

      Cheers

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  8. Context, context by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was a raid (of uncertain provenance) on a protest outside a power station. The other items seized are "knives, chisels and bolt cutters". It seems to me that the police took the balaclava under the quite reasonable assumption that someone was going to put it on and break into the station using some of the tools. That it was part of a board game is entirely incidental.

    If the police seize a pack of ladies' stockings from your home, that's absurd. If they seize a crate of ladies' stockings, bank plans, and a toy gun from your car outside a bank, that's reasonable.

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    1. Re:Context, context by petes_PoV · · Score: 2, Insightful
      >If they seize a crate of ladies' stockings, bank plans, and a toy gun from your car outside a bank, that's reasonable.

      Not if the bank is in a row of shops containing a toyshop and a lingerie store,

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    2. Re:Context, context by nasalicio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the police seize a pack of ladies' stockings from your home, that's absurd. If they seize a crate of ladies' stockings, bank plans, and a toy gun from your car outside a bank, that's reasonable.

      it couldnt possibly mean you're an engineer/architect working for that bank you're parked outside of who just happens to be driving your wifes car after she had been shopping, and the kid left his toys in the car....right? no, i wouldnt buy it either, but its still on the police to PROVE malicious intent.

      imo i think them seizing anything would be UNreasonable without investigating first. this is why we have detectives. simply owning specific items, even when it looks terribly bad like a crime has and/or will happen, is not enough to justify searching or seizing anything. cops must do their homework to get the proper search warrant, and then they may seize whatever is specified.

  9. Context by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Informative

    The satirical board game was confiscated along with knives, chisels and bolt cutters, from climate protesters during a series of raids near Kingsnorth power station, in Kent, last week.

    Here's the thing: a bunch of people were protesting by chaining themselves to gates and generally impeding operations at a power station. The police came along, hauled them off, and took away the tools they were using. Knives, chisels, bolt cutters, and balaclavas.

    It's got nothing to do with balaclavas being illegal, any more than bolt cutters are illegal. It's got nothing at all to do with the game itself. It's the fact that the masks were being used in the process of shutting down a power station.

    Did anybody spot that most of the article was dedicated to describing the game and its distribution hopes, as if it were a game review, while the confiscation itself got just a single sentence in the article? This is a fucking advert. The creators, from Cambridge, heard about it, and got their mate at the local paper, in Cambridge to write about it as a favour. This is a local paper, and the event the article is supposed to be talking about happened in Kent, 100 miles away.

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    1. Re:Context by garyok · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a fucking advert. The creators, from Cambridge, heard about it, and got their mate at the local paper, in Cambridge to write about it as a favour. This is a local paper, and the event the article is supposed to be talking about happened in Kent, 100 miles away.

      Sounds plausible, but no. The Cambridge News article is actually a word-for-word re-print of a story in The Independent, a national newspaper. The Indie published 2 days earlier, if you check the dates. And the Cambridge News didn't attribute the story. Naughty.

      Unless these publishers of War on Terror have got some really cool pals in the UK national press, it looks like a sense of whimsy, local colour, and what looks a lot like a penchant for plagiarism are the real reasons behind the publication of this article.

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    2. Re:Context by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's the thing: a bunch of people were protesting by chaining themselves to gates and generally impeding operations at a power station.

      Your citation for this? Climate Camp was a peaceful legal protest from everything I have read.

      Yes, you are right that this is more an issue of the protest than the board game - the article is rather misleading to miss this out. But last time I looked, police confiscating things because they don't like what you are protesting about is just as worrying a thing, if not more so.

      The actions of the police have been criticised by politicans (one MEP was at the event)

      Also see:

      http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/08/405874.html

      http://www.hippyshopper.com/2008/08/climate_camp_a_report_from_the_front_line.html

      Unless you have evidence that the board game was seized as part of crimes committed, please refrain from spreading misinformation about "shutting down a power station", and making the "protester == illegal" assumption.

      (Personally I don't have a strong opinion on the issues being protested either way, but I do have concerns about police action, and I was alerted to these events from a friend who was present as a Legal Observer and witnessed these events.)

  10. Bloody pigs by damburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The UK police are a serious threat to liberty, and I say this as someone who used to work for them.

    They are monumentally petty, generally taking the view that who they arrest should be based on who they don't like the look of rather than who has done something wrong, and then sort out the crime they are to be charged with later.

    A common method is to approach people whose appearance suggests poverty (normally written down as "looking suspicious), and intimidating them until they do something that could be construed as resisting arrest or assaulting the officer, then haul them away and throw them in a cell.

    They then whinge about having to do loads of 'paperwork' which basically translates to 'its difficult to pin crimes on everybody we haul in'. Having been on the paperwork end of policing I can safely say that if someone has be caught for a specific crime (rather than hauled in for wearing a tracksuit and leaned on) then it isn't hard to get them convicted.

    The majority of policing in the city I worked in (where I saw every file that went through the local magistrates court, albeit briefly in most cases) consisted of protecting the property of city businesses, banging up drunks, and bullying chavs.

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    1. Re:Bloody pigs by damburger · · Score: 2, Informative

      A working class stereotype, roughly equivalent to 'white trash' in the US I think.

      The stereotype involves a person wearing sportswear, cheap jewelry, burberry caps, and being unemployed. They are supposed to spend their days drinking and doing drugs, and supplement their government benefits by committing petty crime.

      Obviously, this view makes them a target for the police. Equally obviously, the reality of the British working class is much more complex and not so totally scummy.

      Many people I have met whose dress and manner of speaking have been the nicest, most honourable people I have ever met. On the other hand the only person I have met who went to Eton complained to me that the kids their kept stealing lightbulbs from each others rooms...

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    2. Re:Bloody pigs by FinchWorld · · Score: 2, Informative
      "A working class stereotype"

      Hmmm, where I live theres alot of Chavs, and they certainly aren't working class, maybe "living off benefits after having got a 13 year old knocked up" class.

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    3. Re:Bloody pigs by FinchWorld · · Score: 2, Informative
      I've been assault by chavs in the local area more times than I care to remember, most times you can get rid of them, a few times have involved knives (And then hopelessly the police), I could easily point out to whole gangs of them and tell you what each one has been convicted of, and they'd be proud they'd got there asbo in it, they want the whole set. When the police are involved they are useless, they turn up to take a statement 4 days too late, and leave it at that, should they get them they are likely under 16, so get sent to a youth offenders prison, were they basically get there choice of either a xbox360 or PS3 for 2 weeks, and if by chance any are over 16, they get community hours, which they don't do. Nothing happens unless someone gets killed.

      But of course in your opinion Im still wrong, but some of us have no choice but to live near these areas and can't afford elsewhere.

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  11. Also there are restrictions on the spinner device by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 4, Funny

    Technically the spinner is a munition, developed specifically for US intelligence.

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  12. Re:John McCain: Warmonger Part 2 +1, Helpful by FiloEleven · · Score: 3, Funny

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    Straight Talk Express, here I come!

  13. Re:How much more can you take? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here is the thing though, all the presidential candidates admire the UK for this, Obama sees that it is great with all the government provided health care, McCain sees it as great because of how the police can watch you 24/7. But you do it halfway and in 4-8 years we will have the other half of it. The US has become as tyrannical if not more than the government we overthrew 200 years ago.

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  14. Oh my god!!! - How stupid!!! by houbou · · Score: 2, Funny

    I looked up on the web what a balaclava was, for I wasn't familiar with the term.

    In Canada they sell those made of wool and other sturdy fibers as a winter gear for protection against the cold weather.

    See the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaclava_(clothing)

    Now, I'm shocked that they would prohibit a game because of the headgear, that's ridiculous! It's a GAME! Beside, this type of head gear is sold everywhere!

    Not worse than those KKK back then, when they were wearing bedsheets for pete's sakes!

    How can the authorities be so "STUPID!"

    Wow.

    My head is still spinning over this. Unbelieavable.

    Everything can be used to conceal's one's identity.

    Ok Uk Police, ban the following, please, because you must be thorough in your logic

    1) makeup
    2) hair extensions, hair pieces, hair products for coloring
    3) ban the growth of beards
    4) ban coloured contact lenses
    5) ban theatrical makeup
    6) ban plastic surgery
    7) ban every form of toy weapons, including those dangerous Super Soaker Water guns, since these can actually be dangerous (try chlorine bleach instead of water)
    8) hell ban all form of clothing too, because ya know, at this point, one could wear a long coat and a hat and try to conceal themselves too!!

    I could go on, I'm just totally blown by how ridiculous the UK authorities are on this issue!

  15. Re:John McCain: Warmonger Part 2 +1, Helpful by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's obvious that not a lot of Americans will vote Republican again.

    I don't know about that. Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush* (scroll down on that page). So if they're not voting Republican, they probably aren't voting Democrat, either.

    *Naturally that depends on the accuracy of the polls. See Dewey Defeats Truman

  16. More information on the game by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 3, Informative

    The official site seems to be slashdotted, but there's plenty of info at the Board Game Geek entry for the game.

  17. Article misses the point completely by Conspicuous+Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This isn't about police confiscating some stupid board game, which TFA practically reads like an advert for.

    This is about far more widespread use of police powers to harass and intimidate demonstrators protesting the planned construction of a new coal fired power station near Kingsnorth in Kent.

    There was a large, week long "climate camp" attended by around 1000-2000 people near the site. Police used intimidatory tactics such as blanket stop and search of anyone approaching the site (with confiscation of such dangerous items as penknives, children's crayons, and apparently board games) there were night-time raids on the camp, confiscation of food supplies and bicycles, low flying helicopters over the camp at night, etc. etc.

    On the final day of the "camp" there was a march to the gates of the existing power station, after about an hour at the gates the police announced via megaphone from a helicopter that the march would be over at 1 pm; and threatened the use of dogs and riot batons against anyone who remained, as well as arrest under section 14 of the public order act.

    Some people did break into the power station in an attempt to make their point, I don't want to pretend that no laws were broken, but the protest was entirely non-violent. The police response was disproportionate, and designed to intimidate protesters rather than uphold the law.

    All in all the police spent some £3 million intimidating a group of entirely peaceful, and largely law abiding people exercising their democratic right to protest.

    The powers granted to the police under recent criminal justice and terrorism legislation passed by the Labour government are sweeping, and disturbing for anyone who believes in little things like freedom of assembly. Most people don't really realise the extent of it until they do something the government disapproves of, the media don't really make a fuss, and so public protest is practically non-existent. Given the total lack of public awareness of or response to these incidents I think it's likely things are going to get far worse for anyone who dares challenge authority in Britain. That's what we should be talking about, not making light of the situation by focusing on some inane story about a board game.

  18. Fascist state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It really seems to me that Britain is becoming more fascist by the day. I thought the US was bad, but Britain seems to be worse. I don't mean to offend, I am just surprised, is all.

    Video cameras everywhere, intrusive police, now this.

    Flame me if I'm out of line, but does anybody see the same thing?

    1. Re:Fascist state by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's an interesting documentary on the subject called V For Vendetta.

  19. Re:Irony by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, this is the definition of Irony

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  20. Someone needs to tell the UK police by franksands · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About the Streissand effect.

  21. Forget the balaclava! by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Informative

    After digging some more, I'd like to redact at least part of my argument in my post, "context context", above. The Independent's version of the story explains in more detail, and in particular how the authors of the game came to realise it had been taken in the raid.

    Following a series of raids on the climate change camp near Kingsnorth power station, officers displayed an array of supposed weapons snatched from demonstrators: knives, chisels, bolt cutters, a throwing star â" and a copy of the satirical game, which lampoons Washington's "war on terror".

    Okay, making off with the balacalva, I get it. Maybe taking the board game as well, because it's a whole set, sure. Making off with them, then displaying the board game as part of the success story?! Are you kidding me? At what point does "satirical board game" become a serious part of the investigation?

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    1. Re:Forget the balaclava! by noelyap · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's an article with pic of the police displaying the confiscated "War on Terror" boardgame. Here's the BBC version.

  22. New list of banned items by KnowledgeEngine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    --Paint (Can be used to disguise the previous appearance of items)
    --Hair Coloring (The only legal hair color from now on will be birth color, offenders can be jailed)
    --Clothing dye (See above, you could conceal the identity of a garment)
    --Sharpies and other markers (These could be used to conceal previously written statements)

    --And as always, remember to firmly affix your ID barcode to your forehead before leaving home.

  23. Re:John McCain: Warmonger Part 2 +1, Helpful by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Methinks that Diebold will be a lot less involved than before in this election.

    I have my fingers crossed, though it would be very nice to see an independent win.

  24. Again, what's with the "signed tag" by CambodiaSam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Perhaps I missed the explanation on a previous thread, but the "signed" tag seems to be reoccuring. My only recourse is start counter tagging with "unsigned". Is this some sort of new slashdot meme or is the joke literally on just me.

  25. What's a Balaclava? by glassware · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had no idea what the word meant.

    Of course we can look it up - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaclava_(clothing)

    The answer is that a balaclava is what I normally think of as a "ski mask". Covers the face.

  26. Locations by Tabernaque86 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems as soon as there's a topic regarding law enforcement on Slashdot, everyone comes out of the woodwork with some story about corruption throughout the ranks. But keep in mind not everyone is from the same country, and it'd be nice if you could at least specify where you're coming from before you start some story. I'm from Toronto, but have traveled around Canada and seen local authorities vary drastically in how they use their powers. Now if things can vary that much across just a few provinces, surely things vary much greater for different countries, and it'd be important to distinguish what law enforcement agency you're talking about.

    Also, for a community that's usually opposed to mainstream media, no one has really taken into consideration the media's bias to negative acts. Stories about corrupt officers sell more than stories about officers doing their job properly, or even going beyond the call of duty, so news agencies tend to focus on that. There are plenty of good cops out there; they just don't get their fair share of the headlines.

  27. Too Much Like Real Life by midnitewolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    FTFA: "George Bush's 'Axis of Evil' is reduced to a spinner in the middle of the board, which determines which player is designated a terrorist state.

    I don't know, I sometimes feel like this is close to the actual method that George Bush uses to make some of his foreign policy decisions.

    I'm not huge McCain fan either, but I at least feel like no matter who wins the election, it'll be a marked improvement.