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Stephen Fry Helps GNU Celebrate 25th Birthday
Virgil Tibbs writes "The GNU operating system is turning 25 this year, and the Free Software Foundation has kicked off its month-long celebration of the anniversary by releasing 'Happy Birthday to GNU,' a short film featuring the English humorist, actor, novelist and filmmaker Stephen Fry. In the five-minute film, Fry compares the free software operating system to 'good science' and contrasts it with the 'kind of tyranny' imposed by the proprietary software produced by companies like Microsoft and Apple that it replaces. He encourages people to use free GNU/Linux distributions like gNewSense and free software generally, for freedom's sake."
Fine-figured Fry
In vanishing kilt
Suffered no hair get by
The gladius hilt
Burma Shave
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
...is awesome. A breath of fresh air amongst a smog of thick idiots on UK TV.
That's the way to do it!
Red Leader Standing By!
Fortunately, utube have it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dcxtEKShXA
Red Leader Standing By!
Of course, this is also the Stephen Fry who paid dearly for his rash idealism in "V for Vendetta". Did he learn nothing?
Is he by any chance related to Philip J. Fry?
Make mine a stiff one Stephen.
Sounds like an improvement over the FREE software song.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
thank god he's advising the public to use gNewSense instead of something they might find difficult to get along with
The GNU OS? What, Herd?
Oh, we're talking about Linux. You know, I'm not sure if Linus has changed his tune, but last I heard he didn't even like calling it Gnu/Linux (and as he's the kernel's primary author and maintainer, I tend to give his point of view some respect on that issue). Going the extra step and taking Linux out of the name altogether, though, is just plain intellectual dishonesty. Linux is not a GNU OS -- much less "The GNU OS". It is an OS that uses GNU utilities.
Has HURD, er, GNU/HURD been released for a while now?
I don't subscribe to RMS's GNUtopian vision.
If I hadn't already posted, and if I had mod-points, I'd do it myself.
>"The GNU operating system is turning 25 this year" Hate to break it to you, but "GNU" is not an operating system. You can make one with lots of GNU tools and after many years with no kernel, you could even use HURD. But the 25 years is a celebration of a PROJECT, not an OS. If they had a compelling kernel all those years ago, then it is likely Linux would never have existed. In any case, I am very glad GNU exists! Happy birthday!
When I read "The GNU operating system" I thought it meant Hurd. In fact Hurd is only 24 years old, and is evidently still not ready for production use. When will this baby grow up!
Absolutely. It's been 25 years since Richard Stallman wrote down that he was going to make a "GNU operating system", and he still hasn't made one.
My birthday isn't based on when my mother wrote to my father telling her she was going to go off and get pregnant by a cab driver called Terry.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
That's a good question. Lets use a car analogy to better understand it.
If you build a car out of 25 year old parts, does that make the car 25 years old?
How about, if you build a car out of parts designed 25 years ago that are continuously updated, would it be a 25 year old car?
I know you're joking, but I'm bored and my boss is not in the office yet.
I watched this and felt it was an opportunity lost. While Stephen's presentation was as impeccable as always, the content was distinctly lacking.
Firstly it was provided in the Ogg format. Yes, I know that's a "free" format, but what it isn't is a populist format. If you want to introduce new people to the tenets of GNU then providing them with a file format that is only used by the faithful is utterly pointless. Multiple formats including ogg would be the only sensible way to do this. I dare say more sensible people will distribute it in other formats, but it's an indicative triumph of pedantry over good sense.
Then the editing itself was somewhat amateurish. Those cuts to still photographs were pointless, irritating, and somewhat random. Even where they were somewhat pertinent (stephen talking about his first computer) they didn't seem to be correct (I may be wrong, but I doubt he started out with an IBM PC).
The tedious "Gnu/Linux" thing came up again. The childish demands that we call it that make the FSF look petty. It isn't accurate either - I have at least as much Apache, MIT, Mozilla, and BSD software on this machine as GNU and I'm damned if I'm going to pick a less elegant name just for Stallman's self-aggrandizement. We call it Linux because that's the major distinguishing feature. We'd call it GNU if they'd written a complete operating system. They didn't, so we don't. Get over it.
Finally as apparently novice users we are pointed to gNewSense, a distribution with virtually no mind-share and little community to support neophytes.
Loud klaxon, -100 points. Perhaps Alan Davies can take a swing at it?
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Um, GNU/Linux replaces OS-X?
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After all, no gnus is good gnus, with Gary Gnu.
The Gary Gnu Show.
... and there was me thinking Stephen Fry was your regular computer luddite. Hah! Of course, all he said could have been scripted. 'Lynas Torvalds, or Linus, as SOME people call him'?
Anyhow, good man, Stephen! Although I can see your average computer user glazing over within about 10 seconds of Stephen mentioning words like kernel and gNewSense.
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To be young and idealistic. Don't worry GNU, the world will break you by 30.
Media reading skills, motherfucker. Do you have them?
Apparently not.
He doesn't claim to be responsible for all of the software created under the GPL, just software created by the GNU project. I don't use Linux (I prefer Free or OpenBSD), but I do use a lot of GNU software, including: bash, gcc (less than I used to now clang/LLVM is able to compile a lot of my code), GNUstep, GNU binutils (there's a BSDL replacement being worked on, but it's nowhere near ready), GNU make, gzip, GNU tar, gdb, the GIMP, aspell, GMP, and probably quite a few that I can't immediately bring to mind.
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When the post above talked about "thick idiots" I bet he didn't realise it was a premonition about one of the posts to come.
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The second person in Europe to own an Apple II (after his good friend Douglas Adams). Steve Jobs is also a personal friend, apparently.
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As much as I love Stephen Fry, doesn't the video look like he's just reading some Stallman propaganda? It surely does..
You just got troll'd!
Wasn't that an AirBook beside his chair? So why was he bashing Apple then?
But then at least the Darwin kernel is open source [1] and with MacPorts [2] he could himself a GNU/Darwin open source system.
Just kidding of course...
Martin
[1] http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
[1] http://www.macports.org/
That toolset is what GNU, at first at least was. All the thousands of utilities that people think made up the OS once, in the days of the commandline OS.
Today it is far more complex, does a graphical shell, such as OSX, Windows, KDE count as part of the OS, or is it program that is run under the OS? Perhaps to make it clear is that until recently Microsoft had the graphical shell run on top of DOS. In the various GNU/Linux distro's this is still the case although quite a few distro's try to hide this by hiding the kernel output so that the user never sees anything but a number of graphical displays until they are in their favorite window manager.
So depending on your definition of what IS an operating system the statement in the movie that the GNU OS is 25, is correct.
Car anology, you use the steering wheel to operate the wheels, this is obvious and clear cut, but where you draw the line between the part that control the wheels and the wheels themselves? Is there even a line because you could also say that the wheel+wheels together allow you to control the car.
But of course, the trolls now are happily hammering on the fact that Hurd is still a dream and that Richard Stallman is claiming things that aren't true. Well they have to of course because they can't put a dent into the fact that GNU tools are an essential part of linux, BSD, OS-X. We forget just how often we use simple GNU tools every day we use one of these operating systems.
It is like a car nut who thinks the rubber on his wheels is not important.
25 years ago, when nobody had yet heard of Linus Torvald, long before DRM and the RIAA, one guy had a vision of free software, software not controlled by anyone company but by the community. It was a revolutionary idea in a time when you rented all your computer access and most people still thought computers where things in big boxes that bleeped and one company even thought that the market for the PC could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Long before Microsoft and WGA, Richard Stallman saw that free software might be the only way to give us some measure of control over who owned the information age.
That is an achievement and something to celebrate. So, the GNU kernel is still missing in action, that is why this movie talks about both GNU the OS and Linux the kernel working together.
But I suppose it is the nature of trolls to latch onto one tiny details and then blow it out of proportion.
Congrats GNU, here is to the next 25 years of software free from whatever the likes of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs wish to impose on us next.
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I hope the Macbook Air next to him is running Free software! This is a major endorsement, well done to all those involved.
Alan Fry, physicist and erstwhile manufacturer of control systems. Personally, I suspect all the technical stuff is actually written by Fry Senior...all right, that's unlikely to be true, but in this case the apple has fallen a lot closer to the tree than most people here seem to realise. Esther Dyson doesn't surprise us, why should Stephen Fry?
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Fry is rapidly building his geek-cred. He was great friends with Douglas Adams and the Monty Pythons, and now he promotes GNU. And wasn't he a character in some animated geek series?
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The Kernel is a "small part" of an OS? I don't think so. But hey, I could be wrong... So write one under the Gnu project and be done with it.
Linux (the kernel) would go on without Linus because of the work Linus did and the community he built. The same is true of RMS's contribution to GNU. Neither depends on its creator today, but neither would exist without its creator's efforts. If you haven't undertaken a similar effort to build a self-sustaining community yourself, you're in no position to marginalize either of them.
And, "who you/I/anyone would like to hang out with" has nothing to do with any of it. I know people I'd be happy to have a beer with that I'd hate to work with, and vice versa. So what?
stupid name for an OS. Why don't we all agree to use Ubuntu and give linux a hope of cracking the mainstream..
Go have a look at http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html
You'll find he is open and honest, and gives credit where it is due. He does NOT claim to have written the whole thing.
The months are just too short. I can count the number of days on one hand.
Because this is about GNU, not linux. There is a very real and important difference. Linux is a kernel, GNU is a set of tools that you can use NOT just with linux but with all sorts of unixes including of course BSD.
But because a lot of people have no idea about what GNU is, we should pamper to them and call it something completely different, adding a couple of years to a linux distro. If they had celebrated the 25th birthday of Linux you would no doubt be pointing out that linux ain't 25.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
If you build a car out of 25 year old parts, does that make the car 25 years old?
It all depends. At least in the UK, if a certain proportion of the parts used are 25 years old, then yes, you can call the car 25 years old as far as registrations are concerned. Different major parts are worth different amounts of points. Easy to change items like the engine and gearbox aren't worth much, but things like the axles and chassis are worth more.
This is why you can build a kit car out of an old Ford Escort and give it the registration number that the Escort had. If there aren't enough points to make the new car eligible to use the donor vehicle's registration, or it's a mix of parts, then the car might get a "Q Plate" (like "Q123 ABC") - Q was never used as a year code.
Apache is a huge thing, which is often compiled using the Gnu toolchain, but uses a different license. Hence, not GNU/Apache.
The Gnu toolchain can be used on many operating systems. When I have to use Windows, I use cygwin, which is compiled using the toolchain. But, of course, Windows is not under the GPL.
You're right, of course, that not everything released under the GPL is claimed by Stallman, but it is interesting that Linux, an OS which happens to be released under the GPL (something that he was going to get around to doing, but never quite got to), is claimed by him, publicly, repeatedly, contentiously, pointlessly.
And don't start on the Hurd. If it's so fantastic, what the hell does he need to claim Linux for?
Darwin - the OS X kernel is opensource ... so they don't need a replacement.
The UNIX userland of OS X is FreeBSD + GNU
OSX X11 is the free X11
The only proprietary parts are Quartz - the graphical environment and Quicktime - the multimedia encoding/decoding subsystem. Any GNU replacement for those ?
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HURD's been out for ages, but it doesn't have great hardware support. You can install Debian currently on Linux, HURD, or a FreeBSD kernel. You can also install the GNU operating system with a Solaris kernel (Nexenta).
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Well, I would estimate about 30% - 40% of MacOS X is free. The Kernel of course and then a few dozed under the hut tools like Postfix, Fetchmail, the X Server and so on. Check http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html for details.
Martin
Because this is about GNU, not linux.
It wouldn't be about Linux if they hadn't brought up the subject.
If the FSF want to proudly point to Linux as one of the things that their organisation and license have helped to happen, that's fine by me. If they want to talk about how great GNU is, that's also fine by me.
Bringing up the GNU/Linux name, however, is at best confusing, at worst petty, and most importantly it's completely unnecessary, nay damaging, in a short video with the ostensible purpose of introducing new people to GNU.
If they had celebrated the 25th birthday of Linux you would no doubt be pointing out that linux ain't 25.
Yes, no doubt I would. So what?
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Like it or not, the license is important.
True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
I agree with you spot-on, except for these...
If I choose to write innovative software and others choose to buy it for money, I may find myself prevented from continuing this business model when someone duplicates the innovation and distributes it under the GPL (eg Linux/Minix).
If somebody wants to take on the project of entirely duplicating my effort, I'm okay with them doing whatever the hell they want with it. What I would not be okay with--and the Linux driver snafu comes to mind--is an actual free license, like BSD, being "overridden" by the GPL in someone else's release, because at that point there is a not-unsubstantial chance of it becoming a fork under a license I cannot use.
If I want to find a free (eg BSD) project to use or contribute to, I cannot because GPL projects have tempted away developers with misleading political propoganda.
There are plenty of BSD projects out there. Don't be the BSD equivalent of a gnulot.
Oh, and it's not free as in beer either.
Eh...yeah, for the most part, it is.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
What, we are celebrating 25 years of Hurd being in prealpha state?
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
We can agree to disagree, but to me, even this acknowledgment, which you have to dig deep to find, intimates that Linux is a little thing, and all the terribly hard work of adding it to a real OS was done by Stallman or under his direction.
Absolutely. It's been 25 years since Richard Stallman wrote down that he was going to make a "GNU operating system", and he still hasn't made one.
What do you call all that stuff that runs on top of the Linux kernel? Just because Hurd was crap does not mean that RMS didn't accomplish what he set out to do. Even if he wasn't the "creator" of Linux, his efforts certainly produced the "enabler" of Linux. The fact remains that Linux wouldn't really be Linux without GNU.
Maybe I'm wrong. I suppose it's possible Mr. Wildebeest had nothing to do with GNU/Linux, or that the whole moon landing thing actually WAS faked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computer_science)
Spork.
P.S. Spork.
Straight away, they have to spoil things:
"GNU's kernel wasn't finished, so GNU is used with the kernel Linux. The combination of GNU and Linux is the GNU/Linux operating system, now used by millions. (Sometimes this combination is incorrectly called Linux.)"
Trying to re-write history ("so GNU is used with the kernel Linux"), while those of us old enough to remember how it really happened are still around, will continue to make them look like petulant children.
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Wow, learn something new every day. I thought HURD had never been released. Of course, I write this on a GNU/Linux box, but was under the impression that HURD was a still-in-the-works product.
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Guts to post under your own name, do you have it?
Obviously not.
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Note that while he's criticizing Apple, there's a MacBook Air sitting on the table to his right with his prompts.
GNOME - the graphical environment, and gstreamer - the multimedia encoding/decoding subsystem? (maybe the latter is not a GNU project though, I'm not sure).
Yes, well done - an operating system is not just a kernel. Doesn't that prove my point and not yours? That GNU have produced a set of tools that help in the operation of an OS, but not a complete OS? Furthermore, it still hasn't been 25 years since the creation of a 'GNU operating system' no matter how you like to define it.
Also, kudos on trying to use a name that is nowhere near universally accepted as proof that Linux is a GNU OS. I quote the originator of X from that entry:
"There are lots of people on this bus; I don't hear a clamor of support that GNU is more essential than many of the other components; can't take a wheel away, and end up with a functional vehicle, or an engine, or the seats. I recommend you be happy we have a bus."
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
In know that there are GNU tool OS X and certainly I know about bash. That's because "chsh /bin/zsh" was one of the first commands I typed into "Terminal" once I got my Mac.
Martin
I prefer BSD licensing personally, but:
> If I use it, I have to obey the licensing conditions.
is incorrect:
``Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted...''
The GPL does not require anyone to accept its terms simply to run the program.
... that has already been observed here on /.
I clicked on the link and watched it, with the completely stock Firefox 3 included in Ubuntu Hardy. It viewed just fine. I had wondered what video format they would use, since I don't have a Flash plugin (GNASH really isn't there yet). But the viewing experience was completely seamless and crap-free, much better than the experiences I've had watching Youtube.
Whether everyone knows what UNIX is or why they should or shouldn't call it GNU/Linux, seems relatively insignificant. I thought it did a reasonable job of conveying the idea of freedom, which in my opinion is the most important goal of such a production.
You obviously haven't ever used it.
I encountered this debate, and to solve it, reviewed it!
I found it pretty good!
You now can get IceCat.
I don't find gNewSense any more hard to get along with than $foo distribution.
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Does anyone else think that April 7 should be some kind of world-wide special day, "Internet day"?
Absolutely, we should mark the occasion by browsing the Web all day, instead of doing any real work.
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Exactly that, "stuff that runs on top of the kernel". There's no such thing as an operating system without a kernel (and no posting of links to wikipedia will change that).
RMS may have accomplished much of what he set out to do, but creating an operating system isn't among his achievements (and probably never will be, HURD failed and now the gap has been filled by Linux).
If you want open source only use Debian (and stay away from the non-free parts), otherwise use Ubuntu. Why the hell would anyone want to use gNewSense which is just a hobbled Ubuntu? Maybe there are a few FSF diehards who might but the vast majority will go with Ubuntu or another dist which make pragmatic use of free commercial software when it serves a purpose.
That would make all cars well past a century old. What with the steering wheels and cylinders and internal combustion and all that.
all the bullshit and bickering around the distros, licenses, names and foundations aside, the free software has come a loong way in the last 15 years.
instead of bickering with each other, we should try to improve the situation further by concentrating on best sides of everything, and patching or helping patching the weak sides.
for, great strides are made in that manner.
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The second person in Europe to own an Apple II (after his good friend Douglas Adams). Steve Jobs is also a personal friend, apparently.
No, he was the second person in Europe (supposedly) to own an Apple Macintosh, Douglas Adams being the first.
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Darwin - the OS X kernel is opensource
But it is not free (as in libre) software. The APSL is a non-free license, albeit it does meet the OSI definition and hence is Open Source, but not Free Software.
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Media whoring skills, no.
Calling bullshit on media manipulation and media whoring skills, yes.
Early Linux was more Minix than GNU. The existance of Minix and *BSD, both of which are primarily non-GNU should tell you something.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
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Hit the nail on the head. Free as in beer software existed before the GPL, for example BSD. The issue was that the code would get recycled as proprietary binaries. The GPL fixed that.
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GNOME - the graphical environment, and gstreamer - the multimedia encoding/decoding subsystem? (maybe the latter is not a GNU project though, I'm not sure).
Is GNOME still the GNU Object Model Environment? I assumed they had jettisoned the GNU trappings when they started to rely on .NET for core services.
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Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that 'raynet' is your own name? How unique! Perhaps you'd like to share with us the origin of it?
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I'm a fan of Stephen Fry and I certainly appreciate the work of FSF. However, since Stephen thinks its so great to give one's work away for free instead of receiving royalties, does he also give away copies of his own writings and performances for free or the cost of materials? Or, does he expect to be paid royalties? Just asking.
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But it is not free (as in libre) software. The APSL is a non-free license, albeit it does meet the OSI definition and hence is Open Source, but not Free Software.
Really? Even RMS seems to disagree.
"The Apple Public Source License (APSL) version 2.0 qualifies as a free software license."
Some pedantic corrections.
If I use it, I have to obey the licensing conditions.
The GPL doesn't apply to use. You don't have to "agree" to the GPL to simply use GPL-licensed software. This is because the GPL grants developers/users rights beyond copyright law that they do not normally have (instead of adding restrictions on top of copyright like EULAs try to do). Simply using software does not invoke copyright law (except the "use" stuff, like the copying the program into RAM exception), so the GPL is not involved.
Therefore I am no more free to benefit from it than I am free to benefit from commercial software.
Free software has no non-commercial/commercial distinction, as people can and do sell and buy free software.
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I'm moderated "-1, Troll".
At the same time, look what kind of replies this posting has attracted. Look. Butthurt BSD fanboys and astroturf GNU GPL bashers repeating the same old misconceptions and lies over and over again.
Oh you people.
"""
GNU's kernel wasn't finished, so GNU is used with the kernel Linux. The combination of GNU and Linux is the GNU/Linux operating system, now used by millions. (Sometimes this combination is incorrectly called Linux.)
"""
The GNU/Linux OS is sometimes - even more incorrectly - called the GNU OS.
Ahh, but did you see the screen? For all you know he was running linux on his mac!
Well it's hard to say since, like 99.99999999% of Americans, I have no fucking idea what he looks like.
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How awesome! I actually noticed the other day while over at the FSF website that a "Stephen Fry" was a major contributor/patron and had my suspicions it was him. Not long ago I watched an engaging speech he delivered on the BBC Parliament channel where one of the topics he discussed was technology and the media. To paraphrase: "If I can view something on my computer I can rip it, encode it and bittorrent it". It was the kind of talk that I imagine has Mark Thompson waking in cold sweats..
All fawning and starry-eyed admiration aside, as an advocate for the cause of software Freedom, you could not wish for a more amenable or erudite man. Legend.
And he played a number of hilarious roles throughout the Black Adder series - funnier than hell.
I first saw Stephen Fry as "Lord Snot" on the 80's show "The Young Ones." episode "Bambi" Fry was side-splittingly brilliant. Hugh Laurie was there as well as "Lord Monty." THe Young ones were competing against Footlites College Oxbridge in "University Challenge"
"funnier than hell"
I've often wondered about that phrase. It'd take a mighty effort of depravity and perversion to be something that wasn't funnier than hell. One could almost label it a tautology.
Sorry, just my absent-minded rambling.
My birthday isn't based on when my mother wrote to my father telling her she was going to go off and get pregnant by a cab driver called Terry.
I've always thought it would make more sense to celebrate one's conception day rather than birthday as that is one's true age. The biggest problem for most people with this is being put in mind of their parents having sex.
Me lost me cookie at the disco.
I notice that the massive list of people thanked in the video credits for contributing to the GNU(/Linux) operating system does not include Linus Torvalds. Ouch.
let's try a car analogy--that always works great on slashdot. the gnu project is the entire car minus an engine. then an engine developer comes along and says "here you can have mine". is the car now not a 'gnu project' car? have a look at Saabs of the 60s/70s and 80s. were they really Triumphs? how about TVRs and RangeRovers? would you really call them Buicks?
Follow the link to the Gnu main page. There is a picture of him and the Gnu logo.
Does anyone else think that April 7 should be some kind of world-wide special day, "Internet day"?
Absolutely, we should mark the occasion by browsing the Web all day, instead of doing any real work.
I thought that's what slashdotters did 365 days a year?
Stephen Fry is said to like to take regular back-ups.
Let me fix that for you: Stephen Fry is said to like to take it up the back regularly.
Ahh, so it's okay for the GNUtards to take from others and not give back, but how daaaaare anybody say anything when anybody remarks upon it.
For people who are so all about sharing of code (or say they are--the pushing of a political agenda is quite obviously their primary goal), they seem to dislike actually sharing.
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
gnu (bash etc) is also used in many other platforms and RMS doesn't go about insisting that those should get called GNU/xxx.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
I am glad to. Years ago, when I was using Cabinet, I needed a nickname. After several rather silly ones I was desperately seeking for a cool and unique nick to use. Time passed and I joined a demogroup, and during one meeting a new game had arrived, Star Control II. I picked up the starmap that came with the game and noticed a star in the bottom, Raynet it was called. At that moment I realized that my search had finally ended, I would be know as Raynet for all eternity. Even some of my teachers and friends from the RealLife(tm) still call me Raynet. So it really is my own name.
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I don't think an account is a requirement, but it helps. Even a signature would suffice.
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