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Which Vendors Do You Trust For PC Parts?
CaryTheSane writes "After six years, it's finally time for my old Pentium 4 to retire to web browsing duties, and I want a new gaming PC. I'd like to build my own this time, and I've scoped out most of the parts I want for a moderately high-end system. Which online vendors have you used before that you trust for parts? I've dealt with NewEgg, and I like them, but I live in Tennessee, a state in which they have a presence. Unfortunately, this means they have to hit me up for 9.5% sales tax. That really eats into my system build budget, so I'm looking for alternatives. I'd like to use the fewest number of vendors (preferably only one), so that all the parts arrive at the same time and I don't have one part's 30-day return policy run out while I'm waiting for parts from another vendor to show up. So, which reliable and economical parts vendors do you recommend?"
Conversely, are there any you'd recommend avoiding?
I like mwave.com myself I have been buying from them for over ten years now and never any problems.
"Oh, my God. I'm sitting on a pile of low bids!"
I'm not sure about the US, but I know that here the best prices (and often good service) are to be had at small, privately-run places... you'd have to look around and find one with decent prices that don't seem dodgy, but if there's one near by, you can just walk in and buy the parts rather than waiting for the shipment to arrive.
Stay away from Tigerdirect. If they don't screw up your order, then they are as good as any other merchant who does not screw up your order. But, if anything goes wrong, they suck to deal with.
Furthermore, a couple of years ago they engaged in a ridiculously blatant 'carpet-bombing' of reseller-ratings - a site where they had an appropriate bad rating over a number of years of being rated. In like 6 months, the number of people who rated Tigerdirect increased more than 10x of all the previous years of rating, and all of these new 'people' gave the company uncharacteristically high marks.
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Try http://www.resellerratings.com/
Looking for the best parts is not something futile, some may tell you "hey just go to Monkey-puters.com they sell everything packed you won't have any problem with winwisbutu 12.x" but it's not the case here.
The reality is that you are going to pay more for a low end system than if you buy OEM, but I suspect that you really don't care about that difference. You first have to check out thoroughly the different components, I myself have a system that is running since...well it's a PIV still running an AGP video card (was a good NVIDIA card so it's still useful for some casual gaming).
So check out the components, it's more important to put more in the Motherboard, less in the video card as you are going to change it in a one year time, so don't buy high end. CPU's are important too, check out the announces from the vendors (Intel, Amd) as usually new lines of processors send the prices down on existing CPU's.
and well otherwise I don't know about online vendors because I always went in a shop...when you custom build you always run into the risk of having components who are instable when packed together. It's a marginal risk nowadays but still...and it's easier to just get back in that small'ish shop (semi-pro shops in warehouses are best as they usually have the lowest prices and the highest geek ratio running them for the sake of spreading good systems out there) to get an exchange is easier than with online vendors who have that 30 days return policies/no scratch/...
Can you ship it to someone out of state and pick it up there?
I love Newegg, you may also want to look at pricewatch.com
it may not be all from one vendor, but you may find a vendor who has everything you need.
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Seriously. I know the guys that run the local shops fairly well. The prices are good, and if you have problems and you're not an arse about it, quite often you'll get even better value on the returns. For example, I bought a 200G drive a few years ago, which failed after six months. "Sorry", they said, "We can't replace that. We don't do them any more. You'll have to take this 250G instead." I suppose they have to keep their customers sweet if they want to keep their windows intact.
Just so long as you're not bothered about what else might be getting shipped over from India in big heavy boxes full of little light computers, it's probably the best way to do it.
As a fellow Tennessean, I'd first like to point out that Neweeg is still a great choice. I order from them regularly because:
1) They are usually still nearly the cheapest
2) They ship quick
3) If it ships from their TN center, I have it the next day
4) Their customer service ROCKS
5) Their website is the best of any I've used.
If I don't use them, I will use either mwave, ZipZoomFly, or (if you don't mind open-box items) Tech For Less (just remember to leave a comment when ordering that you know wtf you are doing, else they will hold your order until they get ahold of you).
I've also used ProVantage a time or two, but really only when they had a good deal.
I know Newegg is popular, but I've always felt their restocking fees were basically insulting.
Truly spoken like someone that has never run any sort of internet-based business before...there is an obscene amount of fraud when it comes to abuse of the return policy regarding pc parts and other commodity electronics.
We charge this 15% restocking fee for all returns for refund to encourage customers to purchase products they intend to keep. We offer RMA Replacement without any restocking fee to support customers who have received a defective product.
Insulting? More like them keeping their costs down so they can run their business better and provide a better service overall. Think much?
There is this guy I know who delevers everything I ask. Prices are good. It is just a bitch to drive down to the docks and for some odd reason he only takes cash in small bills in a brown paperbag.
He is a wise guy and explained that an insurance also would be great and he is right. I haven't been beaten up since I took that insurance. A good fellow, always talking about his family and such.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I usually buy most of my parts from Trading Forums, such as Anandtech.com or Hardforum.com.
The prices offered are almost always below what a store offers. Plus, if you decide to go with people selling used instead of new (both are available), you can get it at only a fraction of the cost.
I've been dealing with people from those forums for a couple years now, and they've saved me hundreds of dollars.
Security is the only real issue, since people can rip each other off... but as long as you trade with people that have a good (high) reputation, then you're normally safe. Moreover, a lot of products are sold with transferable manufacturers warranties on them, so you can buy safely, knowing that you're covered for a bit. I have yet to be ripped off after quite a number of full computer builds.
- John
Did you notice the ASK SLASHDOT part of the title? It's not supposed to be news, it's supposed to be a question! I am not even asking you to RTFA, just read the damn title before you post!
Don't bitch, if you had something else to do other than reading this thread you would be doing it :-)
Besides, this kind of 'news' are to slashdot what a bad referee is to football: You hate him, but he gives you a (socially accepted) reason to yell.
Every city has at least one or two. The best are the crack in the wall places with a guy in the back surrounded by parts.
Some of the items you'll buy will be a great deal, others maybe not, and yeah, you'll have to pay tax. --But you won't pay for shipping, (which, if you're buying lots of goodies, will probably cost a fair bit, though probably not 10% of the cost of a well-equipped new machine).
But nothing is nicer than being able to run out on a gut-feeling of inspiration and pick up a stack of parts that same afternoon. Speaking as a geek, I have to say that walking out of a shop with an OEM hard drive packaged in nothing but an anti-static bag is one of the best feelings in the world. --I realized on one of those occasions why my girlfriend loved shopping for clothes so much, and it was with a bit of wistfulness that I recognized I only shopped for computer bits once every few years, whereas for her cruising the used-clothing stores was a weekly fix. Comfort shopping is silly, but it's also human, so when you do end up spending a whack of money, it's nice to jump in and get right into it.
There are other advantages when you buy from a local, private vendor. If you change your mind about a part, or if a stick of memory is faulty or whatever, you can always go back and hash it out with the owner. Either he'll tell you what you did wrong, or replace the part, and he'll nearly always remember you. A human connection is great; you don't have to fill out impersonal forms and take a number or stay on hold or any of that lousy nonsense. You've got a guy right there who wants to help you, partly because he doesn't want to have to give your money back and partly because he's also a geek who instinctively wants stuff to work right. And sometimes you'll meet a really cool person where it's fun just to chat and trade opinions and such; more than once I've gone into a shop with a well-considered shopping list only to have the guy behind the counter say, "Oh, we don't have that mother board, but check it out! We do have this one; it works great and it costs less than the one on your list, plus it has this extra feature which is really cool! The manufacturer just put out the next model, so they're trying to sell off their previous one, which is why it's such a great deal." I've picked up some awesome hardware that way. So I'd say it's well worth the extra expense (if it even adds up to that much when you take shipping into account, and any unexpected in-house deals or whatever), to buy from small vendors.
I will say, however, that buying on-line does generate a sort of Christmas day feeling, where you get to wait in eager anticipation for stuff to arrive, plus you get to build exactly the system you want because you can be really specific about the parts. But I prefer the more adventurous side of going out to find parts yourself. I think it might satisfy some kind of latent hunter/gatherer gene inside us all.
By far, however, the absolute worst way to spend money on computer parts is to go to a big, corporate, well-lit box store where the guys have little name tags and same-color shirts. Ugh! --I mean, that's fine for laptops and big screens and such, but for hard drives and mother boards and video cards and bags of little screws? What a waste of an experience! I'd rather use an abacus than build a computer from parts obtained in a damned box store. Not to mention that it's nearly always a LOT more expensive that way. Nobody can beat them on price for big items which they order by the shipping palate, but for smaller parts. . , there's simply too many to choose from, so they stream-line their stock and charge you up the wazoo for them. And anyway box stores, you know, have no soul.
Anyway, I hope everything works out for. Enjoy!
-FL
If something doesn't work out* you can go over there and deal with it personally. Isn't that worth 10% extra?
[*] And there's a fair chance it won't, no matter who you buy from.
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...especially considering that Slashdot is read world-wide, and (for example) us Europeans usually do not order from the US onliners (not just the different voltage, but postage and, especially, border taxes).
Me? I found a street dealer I trust. Pay about 10% more than online, but he's really worth it.
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... once you know, you newegg.
Start with items with lots of reviews, read the most critical first. 4. profit.
Imagine if you weren't allowed to use roads because a bus company complained about your driving 3 times. --skunkpussy
I, like many people, have bought from both of these. However, I buy just about everything from newegg as their customer service makes their prices nearly secondary. I would pay a couple dollars more per item to buy from them. I doubt there's another company in the U.S. with customer service anywhere near as good. T
. I'd like to use the fewest number of vendors (preferably only one), so that all the parts arrive at the same time
This isn't necessarily true. the vendor may have some of the parts you want, but be waiting delivery on others. You could end up in one of two situations:
Niether is satisfactory IMHO. Go with several suppliers, either check their online stock from their website, or ask "can you ship these parts today?"
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...anymore. Something has changed in the last couple of years, both the Seagate and Western Digital drives they sell are getting abnormally high failure rates reported back in the product reviews.
After getting a few drives that were packed with just crumpled paper around them, I believe that the responsibility for the higher failure rate may lie more with Newegg's handling and packaging than with the manufacturer's quality control. I still order almost all of my parts from Newegg for all of the reasons that others have mentioned, but I've started getting my drives from CDW instead. Each OEM drive I've ordered from CDW has come packaged in it's own plain brown cardboard box, held suspended in plastic shock absorbers like retail boxed drives do.
I could be wrong, of course, and it was only a few months ago I decided this, so time will tell.
I recently used these guys:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
I "discovered" the brand when shopping on Newegg, but didn't see the exact config I wanted. So I went directly to the vendor's website and found that their gaming systems were EXTREMELY mod friendly with a wide variety of choices for components. So I mixed and matched and had them test it prior to delivery. The end result was a pretty tricked out quad-core core2duo box with lots of RAM and fast video for WELL under US$1K.
Cheers,
I love UMART - umart.net.au (now ijk.com.au after a recent rebrand).
Their site is a tad ordinary, but they are everything you want in a vendor, they are CHEAP (not necessarily the super cheapest, but close enough to the mark not to matter), they will NEVER fork you over on refunds, go the extra distance to find that weird douverlacky and are prompt with their service.
I've used them extensively (about $100k for heaps of orders) both personally and professionally. They will sell you the bits, make suggestions if they don't quite work (like the mobo or ram is off), make the box for you if you're tight on time/skills - and do tidy work on it too (cables all neat, things tucked away, stickers put on, little touches)......
What I like is that they don't mind overclockers. I've pushed gear a bit too hard occasionally and they don't give you any shit about it.
They do a great job and I recommend them very highly. I'm not an employee or shill if you're thinking that, just a very highly satisfied multi time customer (and work admin/buyer/CTO)
Just bought a new quantum computer, but I'm uncertain how it works.
As far as I know, the memory business is a giant scam. The high priced stuff like Kingston and some others have the least defects- thus are prime binned for a higher price, and the cheap stuff causes problems as soon as it is installed as it was sorted into bins that were under-spec. Memtest86 has consistently proven this to me.
You still have to pay Use Tax even if you buy something out of state.
http://www.tennessee.gov/revenue/tntaxes/usetax.htm
So, just buy from Newegg and make your life easier..
And definitely accessible to an English speaker in Tennesee. Definitely.
http://www.pricewatch.com and http://www.resellerratings.com are your friends.
The first one to find the best price, the second to make sure that the guy with the best price isn't a crook.
Hope that helps,
-Mark
There are 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't.
Go for the cheapest CPU, and upgrade in 6months to something twice as fast.
I'll bet you didn't get a socket 939 board
I usually shop around, then end up at NewEgg.
I avoid TigerDirect. I've had bad experience with defective merchandise more than once, they give the illusion of cheapness with rebates, and the customer service is poor.
Most cities, or even states, have a local vendor they can recommend. Local, where you can walk in and lay your hands on parts and ask solid advice, is wonderful and beats the best web vendors hands down, and these shops need your support. If you don't know of one, talk to your local Linux user groups. They are likely to have the best knowledge and experience of odd issues to give you good references.
If you don't have such a local resource, I believe you that NewEgg is good. I've also done OK with www.pcwarehouse.com, but that's for commodity level components, not server components where I actually do need specific parts with very specific specifications.
Thanks for your input. We do have the tax holiday here in the spring and fall, mostly for people to buy school supplies. There are a very limited number of items that fall under that holiday, however. For computers, you have to buy a complete machine, under a certain dollar amount. Computer parts aren't included in the holiday.
Kinda tough to find ONE online vendor with good prices that has ALL the parts you need for building your own computer. Only a few around, really, and I think Newegg is probably the best of them overall, but ZipZoomFLy (as stated before) is pretty good as long as they have the parts you want.
Amazon can be be pretty good but the pc hardware selection is far smaller than a big, pc-centric etailer.
Directron is good for many things, and on some parts may have the lowest prices you can find- yet on others be among the most costly.
Jab-Tech has a more limited selection than some of the more well known places, but the pricing on what they do have is usually pretty damn good.
It seems to me that you will need to look around at a few places to see if the parts they carry will meet your goal- price out the full system and see which one ends up the cheapest.
Alternatively, if you are willing to deal with at least a couple of vendors, you can probably save a couple of bucks (even counting shipping) and avoid tax.
Newegg is the easiest, fastest and most simple option though, and may still be worth it, even with tax depending on how you value your time.
The prices are not usually the LOWEST available, but they ARE usually within a few dollars-
on everything you'll want or need.
From just one vendor.
If I was doing a complete. ground-up system, I'd probably go with a few vendors myself: stick with 3 or less and you maximize savings and minimize hassles.
Linux computers, watercooled, photography
In a word, yes. Vista 64 does work fine. You really wouldn't know that you weren't running the 32bit version and the only time you have to care is when you are looking to install drivers. All 32bit apps work properly, at least in my experience. Most of the compatibility issues I've had are Vista versus XP related rather than 64bit versus 32bit related. If an app works okay on Vista it will work fine on the 64-bit version. Just make sure that there are drivers for your hardware components.
Anyones price cap should be PS3 price, else just get a ps3.
I'm not denying the PS3 can be impressive hardly an ideal system.
It depends on the type of games you play.
If you like Guitar Hero/Platform kinda games, like to switch off your mind for a few hours or the kinds of games with lots of FMV & pretty cutscenes then get a PS3.
If you like FPS/RTS games or those you have to think about a PC is a much better option.
If you like games you can mod, alter or want loads of addons you're also better off with a PC.
Even if that wasn't the case, my disability prevents me from using the controllers that come with the PS3/Xbox/Wii.
Oh and Sony is evil and should be removed from the planet for repeatedly trying to screw its customers.
So I now have ebuyer in my hosts file pointing to localhost with a rewrite rule pointing to this statement
WARNING
Everytime you buy from Ebuyer you end up regretting it !
You do realise that since 2001, you have had to fight for refunds with a total value of over £1000 !
On your head be it !
I run my own mailserver, and I make unique aliases for everyone I deal with, so (1) I can tell who actually caused me to receive an email, and (2) so I can just delete the alias if they get annoying.
I've received spam via some of the most surprising sources, including Ford, so I trust no one. Newegg got their own address when I placed my order.
I started receiving spam addressed to the provided "order status" address. Exactly one week after placing the order, on average 2 per day, for mainly viagra and watches. Repeated contact with newegg repeatedly insisted that it must be someone else that caused the spam. They insisted they have never heard of this happening before.
So I got out my google and surprise surprise, multiple people complaining about sudden spikes in spam after ordering newegg. I also ran into two others that are playing the same mail alias game as me, that also positively ID'd newegg as the source.
Every one of them contacted newegg, and every one of them was told they'd never heard of such a thing before and it couldn't possibly be them.
Now it's doubtful that they are deliberately selling those addresses, and that leaves only one possibility. A machine or two inside their order processing facility is botnetted by a spammer.
Do YOU want to give your credit card details to someone that has a botnetted computer hooked to their order processing network? I sure don't.
Tangent: the "Ford" issue. I submitted my contact email on ford.com for "have dealers in your area contact you" because I was shopping for an Escape. Got responses from four dealers in my area. Four days later, about one spam a day started landing in my ford contact address. I'm fairly certain that one of the "dealers in my area" that ford sent my address to was also botnetted. Morons.
I left the addresses in service to see how persistent they were. It took about a month for the Ford spam to stop. It took close to three months for NewEgg spam to give up.
If you insist on ordering from NewEgg, be smart. Use a disposable email address for order status, and at least use a visa card or something you can dispute charges on should they happen. (though id theft is still an unavoidable risk)
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Well, possibly the original intent of the parent was to make a satiric comment about how very US-centric this question is, and completely irrelevant to everyone else. It's not even a national US-question, but pretty much only relevant if you happen to live in certain states.
c++;
...and I feel your pain when it comes to paying tax on items ordered online. I have built several systems through the years, and I, like you, am building another one now to replace my old P4. After you have done your research and decided what you want, here are some places to compare prices which will not charge you tax when shipped to TN:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Home.jsp
http://www.directron.com/
http://www.ewiz.com/index.php
For specialty items, like heat sinks, I sometimes buy here:
http://www.frozencpu.com/index.html?id=wdw9Exum
Above all though, compare prices using these useful sites, for you may find the same part elsewhere even cheaper:
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.google.com/products
Newegg is great for comparing parts and reading detailed specs/reviews, but the tax and shipping generally lead to the parts being more expensive than if they were ordered elsewhere.
"This is America... where the will of the few outweigh the outrage of the many..." - Unknown
Unfortunately, this means they have to hit me up for 9.5% sales tax.
9.5 in TN? Holy crap you need to start voting democrat.
I really cannot say enough good things about newegg.com.
I have been using them since 2001; my order history with newegg.com is over 20 pages long (at least) and I have ordered well over 200k worth of items from them. In all that time I have never had a problem. We're talking hundreds of orders. I have been through every conceivable situation - I have had to return things for refund or exchange, I have had to call them once and that call was handled very well.
Here are the general reasons why i think newegg.com is awesome:
1. Price (their prices will be as good or better than most other vendors, online or brick and mortar).
2. Shipping cost and shipping time: They have a lot of free shipping, and even when you are paying the prices are excellent - they generally ship things the same day you order, if not then then by the next days, always.
3. Stock, selection, and the technology behind their store and website - They have their own super high tech system for processing orders. I have seen video of how it works and it is very impressive - THey generally never make errors, their website is always up to date with what is and isn't in stock. I have never ordered something from them only to get a notice that it isn't in stock. It just doesn't happen becuse their site seems to be updated in real time.
4. Customer product reviews - you can get a great idea about particular products you may not know anything about by reading the customer reviews.
All in all I just can't think of any other retailer which I have dealt with that has their act more together than newegg and that has consistently flawless. I order personal stuff, I order stuff for the IT dept that I run, I order gifts and things for family and friends.
Don't just take my word for it - check out www.resellerratings.com for unbiased ratings of newegg.com and most other online stores. You will find that newegg consistently is on the top of their list of tens of thousands of stores. Generally with a score just below a perfect 10.
For the sake of completeness I'll recommend some vendors in Germany - there might be some Slashdotters who can use this info.
First the good ones:
Alternate (alternate.de) is a nice vendor. Not the cheapest, but they're trustworthy and I haven't yet had any support issues with them. They also have a nice, if limited, PC builder.
DSP Memory Distribution (dsp-memory.de) is a good source for memory, FireWire HDDs and similar things. Somewhat cheap, but they sell quality stuff. No problems so far. Definite recommendation if you're looking for MacBook (Pro) memory.
If you're a student you might find a good deal at Unimall (unimall.de). Nice prices and they partner with Apple so you can even get BTO Macs with a big rebate. Only for students, teachers and the like.
Now for a problem case:
Norsk IT (norskit.com) is usually one of the cheaper vendors, but their support is abysmal. I had lots of "fun" returning an ASUS mainboard that came DOA. Avoid.
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In the past week I've had to deal with items that I had to return to both Tiger direct and Geeks.com and found a big difference.
Geeks and a bunch of nincompoops whos story changes when you get different people on the phone. When my new hard drive failed after 3 days I requested a new case and a new drive. They sent me an IDE drive with a sata case. Then when I complained they said I could either pay to return the case or purchase a new case. Could not convince them that it was their responsibility to make sure the case and the drive were compatible! They take days to respond to e-mail. Sometimes not at all.
Tiger direct, had ahuman answer the phone quickly. Help me pick the right part. Volunteered free shipping both to return and send out the new part. Very positive experience. THeir site however is weirdly indexed so when searching for things, not all the items seem to be in logical categories. SOmehow the best deals tend to be slightly hidden and actually easier to find on google than their own site.
Monarch has very low prices. Never had to deal with customer service so can't rate them.
I've bought a number of computers and parts from Mwave over the years. I've never had a single problem or defective item. Their prices are not always the absolute lowest but generally are close to the lowest.
If you want to buy from just one vendor and you are averse to the massive hassles that can occur when you get bad or wrong parts then Mwave might be the best overall place to shop.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Just a clarification to all my American friends out there: In English English, fag means cigarette. The previous poster is probably not involved in human trafficking.
You have a system now. It works. So why are you worried about parts arriving at different times? This makes sense in a business sense, but doesn't make sense from a personal/gaming machine sense. If you're worried about parts not working before you have all of them, heaven forbid you test them in the machine you do have before their 30-day return date passes. I also don't understand that logic. The parts are all warranted through their respective manufacturers. If something doesn't work, get it replaced. If you are returning things for other reasons, then you really need to do more homework before you buy.
Getting back to the topic, if you want parts to arrive in a certain amount of time then you're going to have to hunt for the resellers that have them in-stock and ready to ship. It's called due diligence. You will probably not find a single vendor to get all the parts from. Yes, some have more influence over distributors and can get parts sooner, but if the manufacturer is having supply problems, then so will the rest of the chain all the way down to the consumer. No way around that unless you go straight to the manufacturer. For a single, personal gaming system I think you'd be out of luck trying to get preferential treatment on supply direct from a vendor, but you might have the pull, don't know you.
I used to buy from MWave a lot until I bought one of their supposedly pre-assembled and tested mobo/cpu/memory bundles and was shipped only the mobo and processor with no memory. They refused to make it right and accused me of trying to scam them for the memory. It didn't matter that I had bought over $3000 worth of stuff from them in the prior few weeks. I paid them the extra $10 fee for the "assembly and testing" as hope of some kind of insurance against getting shipped a DOA mobo but it would seem from my experience that is only a scam too since the cpu was still sealed in its original Intel retail box and had never been opened.
No more MWave for me. I'm done with them.
I was a long time computergiants.com customer. They have really great prices on high-end hard drives and storage equipment, but their service has quite a few problems. I ordered two WD HDD's and paid for 2-day shipping. The items were in stock, but it took two weeks for me to get the drives. Then I found out that my credit card had not been charged for the purchase. I waited a week, and after not being charged or sent an invoice, I called the RMA department to return the unopened drives I had.
They sent me a DHL box to send them back with, and I put the drives in the drop box, happy that I had done the Right Thing(TM). Well the day after, I was billed for my order, fully a month after I had originally authorized the credit card transaction, and two weeks after I received the products. Over the next few months I went between various customer support agents trying to get my money back that had been improperly charged. I had all the paperwork to file a dispute on my CC ready. I called a manager there, and he gave me the name of an owner.
After telling that owner about my situation, the next day, I received my money back minus the shipping costs. This started in May and ended in September. I still had to pay for their shipping mistake, though, and I will never shop there again.
I just can't get my brothers and father to believe that the Frys in Las Vegas not only has an english speaking staff, but also helpful and informed folks in the aisles.
Just in case you think it's not a real Fry's, it does indeed have the trademark nearly impossible to exit parking lot.
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