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Obama Launches Change.gov

mallumax writes "Obama has launched Change.gov. According to the site 'Change.gov provides resources to better understand the transition process and the decisions being made as part of it. It also offers an opportunity to be heard about the challenges our country faces and your ideas for tackling them. The Obama Administration will reflect an essential lesson from the success of the Obama campaign: that people united around a common purpose can achieve great things.' The site is extensive and contains Obama's agenda for economy and education among many others. They first define the problem and then lay out the plan. Everything is in simple English without a trace of Washington-speak. The site also has details about the transition. According to many sources, Obama's transition efforts started months ago. The copyright for the content is held by 'Obama-Biden Transition Project, a 501c(4) organization'."

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  1. Obama by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

    First Obama

    1. Re:Obama by lysergic.acid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      i'm not a big fan of the bipartisan system--personally, i'm a Nader supporter--and i'm not too excited about having a former drug Czar as a VP. but how is this not news for nerds?

      the president-elect has launched a website to lay out his plans for government reform (letting us know what we should expect in the coming term) in an accessible online format, and also to solicit thoughts and opinions about policy issues from ordinary citizens. AFAIK, this is the first time any U.S. president has embraced IT and the world wide web to such an extent as a means of engaging the citizenry in public discourse.

      i honestly believe that the web is the key to realizing a true participatory democracy on a federal level in a country as big as the U.S., so this is certainly something to take notice of. this may be just the first small step, but at least it's a step in the right direction. along with the THOMAS system, which gives the public easy access to bills, legislation, and congressional voting records, the web is gradually increasing the level of transparency in government. perhaps in the near future online referendums can be conducted, if not for deferring policy making to the public, then at least to poll public opinion on key issues.

      this kind of interactive digital democracy eliminates any ambiguity as to what the general mood of the public is, how the public feels about key issues, and what the will of the people is. it's vital for an online dialog to be opened between political officials and their constituency, especially with the growing gap/disconnect between the political elite and the daily realities of the common man. at least then politicians and can't plead ignorance.

    2. Re:Obama by Pahroza · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of ... oh nevermind, wrong century.

    3. Re:Obama by mrops · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The copyright for the content is held by 'Obama-Biden Transition Project, a 501c(4) organization'."

      Did any one else think it read, "The copyright for the content is held by 'Osama-Bin Laden Transition Project, a 501c(4) organization'."

    4. Re:Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really, any president would have tapped the Internet too in their administration in the fashion Obama is managing.

      I do not think that McCain would of had a website like this. Also, I do not give excuses to Clinton or Bush for not having this. Perhaps if Bush had cared what the people had thought then he wouldn't be so reviled.

    5. Re:Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did any one else think it read, "The copyright for the content is held by 'Osama-Bin Laden Transition Project, a 501c(4) organization'."

      Only the Republicans did.

    6. Re:Obama by Repossessed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How could Clinton have had this? The internet was not publicly available in 92 when he made his transition, and there was no HTML, or similar technology, that would have made a page usable by the general public.

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    7. Re:Obama by EllisDees · · Score: 2, Informative

      >i'm not a big fan of the bipartisan system--personally, i'm a Nader supporter--and i'm not too excited about having a former drug Czar as a VP. but how is this not news for nerds?

      Biden was never a drug Czar. He did sponsor the horrible piece of crap legislation known as The RAVE Act, but he's never been the head of the ONDCP.

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    8. Re:Obama by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obama is not the first. :)
      The Official Blog of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - The President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
      http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

    9. Re:Obama by joeman3429 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, so we're all Libertarians

    10. Re:Obama by pcolaman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can you call it a Blog if you get arrested by the Iranian national police for not reading it 5 times a day?

    11. Re:Obama by joeman3429 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is a Man Not Entitled to the Sweat of His Own Brow? âoeNo, says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor.â âoeNo, says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God.â âoeNo, says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone.â

    12. Re:Obama by joeman3429 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, messed up, Is a Man Not Entitled to the Sweat of His Own Brow?

      "No, says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor."
      "No, says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to God."
      "No, says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone."

  2. Great! by damburger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you can be ignored by politicians faster and more efficiently than ever before!

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    1. Re:Great! by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cynic!

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    2. Re:Great! by composer777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree. People should be able to post their comments to a publicly viewable forum so that an open discussion and debate can occur.

    3. Re:Great! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cynic? sorry my friends, you have it wrong.

      It's HERETIC!

      HERETIC! we have a HERETIC!!!!

      nobody must DARE to question the holy Obama!

      Because if you do.....

      What are you racist?
      Why do you hate america?
      Are you a terrorist?
      Are you a socialist?
      Why do you hate the poor?
      etc...

      All hail the new King!

      Honestly I voted for him, but there are foaming at the mouth fanatics following the man that make the christian right look downright reasonable.

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    4. Re:Great! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I had a long hard thought about this.

      We have tons of fanatics anyway. So it's better they fanatically follow a reasonable man, that some religious loony.
      And then we still have many reasonable people left. It's not as if there were only fanatics.

      So in the end, while not perfect, it's at least a very good deal. Better than the old shit by far... :)

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    5. Re:Great! by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Funny

      "my friends" ... "I voted for him"
       
      You SURE you aren't a mccain supporter?

    6. Re:Great! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obama's going to take care of my Mortgage AND Gas!

      These people actually voted and voted in large numbers. A black friend (no he wasn't African American. He was Jamaican) asked me what I thought about the first black president during the time they were showing all the celebrations. All I said is that anyone who voted for him (or against him) simply because of his skin color needs to be deported.

      Vote for his policies, senate voting record, anything but race.

      Then again I do hope that Obama gets up and gives a speech like Bill Cosby gave to the NAACP and this time people actually listen.

      But then again I'm racist for thinking any of this, right?

    7. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...Funny that one of the indicting questions in that list was "Are you a socialist?" because Obama's leanings are very much Socialist in nature. That's why France and other European countries who run themselves with Socialist government styles (not with, as someone said, "a more modern democracy"), are so very happy to see that "America is finally coming up to speed with the rest of the civilized world."

      It's interesting to see how unaware and largely ignorant many of the Americans I've talked to are. They don't understand or recognize the patterns or the ideals that lead to or embody a Socialist government. Even when confronted, they call themselves "anti-socialist" while still embracing all the ideals. They just don't get it.

      While Socialism isn't inherently wrong, it has flaws just like every other system we might try to put in place over humans. There is no utopian government. The effectiveness of any system of government depends on who is being governed, how big a population, what their immediate and long term needs and desires are, as well as other situational criteria.

      That said, I do not want America specifically to go this route (Socialist). We founded our country on very Libertarian ideals (at least the way the Libertarian party is today). 'Personal responsibility rather than relying on big government', for example. While Libertarianism, like Socialism, isn't perfect, it is what I see as being an American. Being able to trailblaze through adversity, with only my gun and my smarts and my indomitable will - I will perservere and overcome the odds, and make my life a success, make my millions, pass it down to my children, and carve out a portion of history with my own two hands! That, to me, is America. That is why we were such a proud and respected nation. That was our unique calling card.

      If America starts to change everything to switch to a more Socialist government...

      1) they'll screw it up
      2) it will be chaos for decades as we try to adjust
      3) it won't ever get it implemented properly or fully enough to be effective because there will be too much resistance

      So if they try it, I'm moving to France, Germany, or even Finland, where they implemented it much, much better than we'd have a chance at doing. America's motto was "Land of the Free" and "Land of Opportunity"...we should stick to that. We were good at that. We should, as a country, not pauper the rich to give to the poor, or levy high taxes to implement costly (ineffective) social programs, or enforce mandatory public service.

      But that's just my 2 cents, and I know there are plenty of people in America who rabidly disagree. Oh well. Let THEM move to France. France would kick them out, though. Nobody likes a mooch.

  3. Stresstest by Narpak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well posting this on slashdot should ensure that their servers get a proper stress-test.

    1. Re:Stresstest by Jimmyisikura · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well I skimmed the tech section, nothing on copyright infringement. If Biden would admit he is the RIAA lackey, then they would get a true stress test.

    2. Re:Stresstest by DECS · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Begin Intellectual Property Reform: rather than just the usual extension of copyright terms, Obama's staff recognizes the "need to update and reform our copyright and patent systems to promote civic discourse, innovation and investment while ensuring that intellectual property owners are fairly treated." That includes "opening up the patent process to citizen review [to] reduce the uncertainty and wasteful litigation that is currently a significant drag on innovation."

      "Obama's running mate has been criticized for supporting current policy on copyright, but an exposure of government policy to sources of light outside of the lobbyists currently illuminating the dark caves of Washington is likely to change things dramatically."

      What an Obama Presidency Means for Technology

    3. Re:Stresstest by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Protect American Intellectual Property at Home: Intellectual property is to the digital age what physical goods were to the industrial age. Barack Obama believes we need to update and reform our copyright and patent systems to promote civic discourse, innovation and investment while ensuring that intellectual property owners are fairly treated.

      I see a slightly different version of that paragraph on Obama's site (quoted above) That does not bode at all well. Looks like Obama is firmly on the side of the xxAAs.

  4. "Propaganda" by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know this is probably gonna get me marked down from some of Obama's more, ehm, "faithful"--and I'm not excusing anything past politicians have done, in either party, oh no--but this seems too much like propaganda. "Ministry of Change", heh.

    It also seems like he's unveiling things he didn't talk about that much:

    The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nationâ(TM)s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

    Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

    Of course, people will come out of the woodwork to say how because it's something that people "should" do (because helping people IS nice, after all...) that Obama should MAKE you do it. Please, someone explain to me how you justify that leap.

    1. Re:"Propaganda" by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Informative

      They did talk about it, actually. There was also a YouTube video, one of the "Blueprint for Change" series.

      Whether or not it's a good thing... I don't know. It seems perhaps a bit much to force students to help out... but then, it could do some serious good as well.

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    2. Re:"Propaganda" by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We have mandatory community service in Ontario, to complete their highschool education, I for one was glad I was far out of reach of such policies. I'm not a fan of forcing people to go out and do things such as 'voluntary-mandatory community service'. With any luck, if he does decide to pull this bullshit through the air, people will run across fellows who remember this and happily do one thing(should it be a requirement for say graduation/etc), pay them for it; like many do here now.

      Community service should remain that, a choice. Do it, great, nice job on you. Don't do it...well, it doesn't look as good and you might get passed over, but it doesn't matter in the end. It's the choices that make you what you are, not what the government is telling you what you should do.

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    3. Re:"Propaganda" by oahazmatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? One of my requirements for graduation was that I had to do 10 hours of community service. And this was a public high school.

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    4. Re:"Propaganda" by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mandatory community service?
      Sounds a bit like slavery to me.

    5. Re:"Propaganda" by kwerle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are many european countries in which public service is required. This can mean military, fire, police, or others. I think it's a great idea.

      I'm interested to see how Obama's plan plays out.

    6. Re:"Propaganda" by IchNiSan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Forget all that stuff. What gets me is that he promised more openness and transparency in government, and holy fucking shit, he ain't even in office yet and has a .gov being (apparently) more open and transparent.

      This man is dangerous, this is just more proof that there is truth coming out of his mouth, how can we possibly survive when politicians don't lie every time they open their mouths?

    7. Re:"Propaganda" by jav1231 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget that this is all what Obama collectively called the "Civil Security Force." I was ridiculed for pointing this out and told that it was merely an expansion of the Peace Corp and other organizations. But "Civil Security Force" are Obama's words and to my knowledge the Peace Corp doesn't "secure" anything. Like most agendas like this these things sound great on paper (who can argue with "serving" your country?) but there's a creepiness to it as well not to mention ominous possibilities. What happens if one wishes to exercise the freedom to abstain? Shouldn't such a freedom exist in a "free" society?

    8. Re:"Propaganda" by composer777 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they cut back our work weeks to something reasonable (maybe a French work week of 30 hours, with 6 weeks paid vacation) then I'll be happy to do community service. As it stands, community service is an insult to an overworked and underpaid workforce.

      Or, they could take all of the currently unemployed, who WANT to work, and actually PAY them to do work that needs to be done, such as infrastructure maintenance and improvement.

      To be honest, I don't want to serve the current system, I want to change it, there is a big difference.

    9. Re:"Propaganda" by daseinw · · Score: 2

      let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work

      Isn't it more like, let's motivate (albeit forcibly) a bunch of stupid kids to do important work?

      We constantly bemoan the self-centeredness of our country, the fact that so many people only look out for themselves, the obsession with MYspace, FACEbook, ME ME ME that permeates our country... We castigate the greed on Wall Street but we do nothing about fostering a greater sense of community among our youth. Where do you think those self-focused teens end up, if not on Wall Street (in part---not knocking everyone on the St.)

      So then, what exactly is "bad" about getting kids off of the couch and getting them to do valuable work for their communities? Work that benefits someone other than themselves? Work that teaches them that other people have problems much worse than their own?

      That aside... I do think the change website smells of propaganda--- attaching the word "change" to political leanings is like attaching "family values" to political leanings. The worth of both is all a question of perspective.

    10. Re:"Propaganda" by Cristofori42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The youtube video was interesting, and if what he states in there is still accurate then it's not quite "mandatory", but it still feels rather intrusive to me to make government funding for schools contingent on developing service programs (if I understood that correctly).

      The $4000 tax credit for college students that do 100 hours of service didn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

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    11. Re:"Propaganda" by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's simply a way to keep everyone distracted while they implment entirely different laws.

      I can already see people on slashdot citing this website to refute arguments against pending legislation.

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    12. Re:"Propaganda" by LanMan04 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

      Maybe it would have made you a more well-rounded person. /shrug

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    13. Re:"Propaganda" by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mandatory community service is, like any other high school degree requirement, just as much bullshit as you want it to be. Do you get paid for taking math classes? Or civics classes? Of course not. It's just a requirement for graduation.

      Where I went to school, it was necessary to do 10 hours per year of community service... I did 150. Not through any particularly large expenditure of effort on my part. I think it was 2.5 hours a week one evening a week plus a weekend. There were people out there who put in triple or quadruple that without much trouble- per year.

      Moreover, it was one of the rare things at the time that had a chance to put a kid in a position of authority. And that was a really good thing.

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    14. Re:"Propaganda" by jdc180 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did You Read It?

      Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year.
      seems reasonable to me, i remeber doing a lot more than that in school, I imagine most schools aready do that... think canning drives, fund raisers etc...

      Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
      again seems reasonable to me. You want money, do some work for it. Where else you gonna make $40 bucks an hour in college?

    15. Re:"Propaganda" by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in the US and, though community service wasn't required in my area to graduate high school, believe it should be mandatory for troublemakers.

      For instance, instead of cramming all the troublemakers into the cafeteria for Saturday school, they could me made to do various community service. The community would benefit and it would be more fun for the troublemaker than the alternative. Many would rather paint over graffitti or pick up trash as long as they could socialize with their fellows.

      The GP laments about how that would've been torturous to his introverted psyche, but what he dosen't realize is that it may have been very beneficial to interact with others who have a common gripe(having to serve out their "sentence") as a team-building exercise.

      Additionally, there are many high school organizations which do community service and offer some kind of carrot(say, a trip to a theme park), as a reward. Working with the mentally challenged is a very eye-opening experience...those little funny-looking bastards are much smarter than we think they are.

    16. Re:"Propaganda" by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...because our high school students were being required to clean up plague rats 3 hours a week to graduate? ;)

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    17. Re:"Propaganda" by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US may have left England when the colonists were taxed without representation, but I don't think you can compare the differences between the US and the UK then to the differences between the US and the EU now. I moved to Finland a few years ago and found excellent public services, fantastic support of the arts, adequate health care, and much more disposable income (even after the higher taxes here) than I ever saw in the US. Meanwhile, my family back in the US finds themselves struggling under rising costs, facing the prospect of working until they die, and never have any free time to travel because leisure time seems anathema there. My telling them about how good life is in the EU spurred them all the more to vote for Obama. While he's a very lackluster centrist politician from our view here, at least there's the slight chance he might bring things in the US to the standard of living of the countries rated most highly in that regard.

    18. Re:"Propaganda" by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So already, refusing to participate in the Obama's Grand Plan is equivilent to cheating on your taxes.

      I think I'll reserve my spot at the re-education camp early.

      >There is no necessity that such a freedom should exist in a free society
      To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary - Che Guevara

      I think you two would get along.

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    19. Re:"Propaganda" by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah but it's only mandatory for white people, so it's ok! ~

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    20. Re:"Propaganda" by Locklin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slavery?? like math class? or being forced to read books as homework for English class? Requiring a couple days of community service over the course of 4 years of high-school does as much good for the student as it does for the community (small but potentially significant). At least in this case, the student can pick whatever he wants to do.

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    21. Re:"Propaganda" by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That many European countries that have more modern democracies require it isn't going to be a selling point to much of the parts of America that are still stupid enough to like Bush.

      There, fixed that for you. Also:

      Keep in mind that we left Europe for a reason.

      These reasons don't exist anymore. In case you hadn't noticed, the remaining European monarchies are wholly without power and are really nothing more than show pieces. It is the 21st century, not the 18th. Please make a note of it.

    22. Re:"Propaganda" by kjart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Community service was mandatory as part of my high school education (IB program) and I found it to be rather valuable.

    23. Re:"Propaganda" by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Still not quite getting it. Community service is supposed to be a choice, that's it. Good moral standing character, doing good for the community, looks good on applications, looks good on whatever else. Telling everyone to do it, not only removes that, but it also add in resentment for various things.

      Ontario requires 40, I had to see if I could find the original pamphlet "Students are to volunteer for compulsory community service." I always loved that sentence. So yes, bullshit. Don't try to sugar coat, forced labor to me.

      I should say I graduated probably 7 odd years after they brought it in or more.

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    24. Re:"Propaganda" by Doghouse+Riley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do I have this funny feeling that 50 hours of signing up the homeless in heavily Democratic districts will easily qualify as "community service" while 50 hours of working with a libertarian organization to oppose eminent domain laws, or working with a law firm fighting campus speech codes, may just barely fail to pass muster??

    25. Re:"Propaganda" by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Read the actual page the GP was quoting (here). That was a real quote, not made-up text: "Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."

    26. Re:"Propaganda" by mdarksbane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Required service is no different from an income tax - in either case they are taking your time and life and efforts to benefit the government (or, less cynically, society at large).

      Which is more beneficial to society - having college students work part time to pay for their bills or work in community service for free? I know at my internship pay in college I could have hired three people at minimum wage to do a service job for me instead, and I did of course pay income tax on that money.

      Forced community service generally just means that government is paying people to do things that there's no money in doing. In case they didn't notice, 90% of the scholarships out there strongly encourage community service - don't see why it needs to be made mandatory.

    27. Re:"Propaganda" by Xphile101361 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      $4000 for 100 hours? $40 an hour? Really? Seems a bit high to me, but maybe that is the only way they can get people to participate.

    28. Re:"Propaganda" by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Im curious how much work there is out there to be done by high school students. Might be an easy way to get some work done without raising taxes.

      Yeah, we need more unpaid child-labour in this country!

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    29. Re:"Propaganda" by Straif · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's hard to compare a coutry with the population of a medium size city with a coutry that both dwarfs it in population and physicaly displacement.

      With higher populations come a lot more problems. Not to mention when's the last time you saw a major disaster occur around the world and the leaders of that country cry out for the Finnish to send in their military for aid?

      Simply put the US carries a lot more weight on it's shoulders both domestically and internationally than most of the EU combined. Hey and I'm from Canada where, like most of Europe, we get to skimp on a lot of things (especially military spending) because we know the American's will keep us covered.

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    30. Re:"Propaganda" by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...he ain't even in office yet and has a .gov...

      I think we should just jump straight to having a .obama TLD. :-)

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    31. Re:"Propaganda" by sesshomaru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm, I wonder how they'll enforce the mandatory part of the mandatory community service. I guess it will be similar to how they enforce anti-truancy laws, I'd have to look into that. Will it be Juvenile Hall? Fines for the parents? I wonder.

      Ah well, however it works it'll be a great chance for cops to use their tazers, since it will be against the general public and not hardened criminal types. Those are always the best people to tazer. They don't really have an effective means to fight back.

      If it's truly mandatory then there's a gun behind it at some point, if it isn't really mandatory they need to say what they mean.

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    32. Re:"Propaganda" by 2short · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Still not quite getting it. Attending Math class is supposed to be a choice...

      If a school system thinks some time spent on community service is an important part of educating students, they make it a graduation requirement.

      Forced labor? You want to try coordinating high school students doing a few hours of work at a time and see if you can wind up getting more done than if you sent them home and did it yourself? I'm thinking the motivation isn't the chance to exploit the fabulous labor pool provided by a few hours from untrained 16 year olds.

    33. Re:"Propaganda" by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, participation in the plan requires 50 hours. Where does it say that participation in the plan is mandatory?

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    34. Re:"Propaganda" by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where else you gonna make $40 bucks an hour in college?

      Tax credit, remember? There are two kinds of tax credits available in the US system. Refundable, and non-refundable. Most tax credits are the latter type, which means they can be used to reduce your income tax burden to zero, but no further. Only refundable tax credits are worth the full value if your tax burden is less than face value of the credit.

      Assuming the credit is non-refundable (as almost all of them are. The EIC (which is meant to make up for the regressive SS and Medicare taxes) is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is refundable right now), the benefit will be less than that.

      In other words, since few college students actually owe $4000 per year of income taxes, very few will end up getting the equivalent of $40 per hour.

      Note that as of 2008, you have to clear ~$29,000 per year after the usual deductions before you owe $4000. Realistically, we're talking about $40,000 per year to get the nominal benefit.

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    35. Re:"Propaganda" by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Simply put the US carries a lot more weight on it's shoulders both domestically and internationally than most of the EU combined. Hey and I'm from Canada where, like most of Europe, we get to skimp on a lot of things (especially military spending) because we know the American's will keep us covered.

      For what it's worth, Finland is one of the few countries in Europe with an army strong enough to withstand a direct onslaught. They never joined NATO because they have their own defense covered and proved their mettle by driving the Russians back twice. The idea that welfare states only exist because the US is picking up the defense tab is therefore false. Welfare states and strong armies can coexist just fine

    36. Re:"Propaganda" by Main+Gauche · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $4000 for 100 hours? $40 an hour? Really? Seems a bit high to me, but maybe that is the only way they can get people to participate.

      Yes, you caught it. If you really want to teach young people that they should be paid for their volunteer work---no one seems to catch the contradiction there---then you do need to pay them a high enough rate.

      Seriously, I am surrounded by conscientious people (mostly immigrants) who do solid work for a third of that rate, and have to feed their families.

    37. Re:"Propaganda" by sorak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry; he's lied several times about his relationships, religion, and childhood.

      Yes. He is a muslim, which is why he goes to the crazy christian church. His had sex with William Ayers, and, he spent his childhood as a giant radioactive spider.

      Thank you for letting us know about all the crazy lies you saw on the internet.

    38. Re:"Propaganda" by LordKronos · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a refundable credit:
      http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/

      Near the bottom:
      "This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service."

    39. Re:"Propaganda" by NiteShaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still not quite getting it. Community service is supposed to be a choice

      You've apparently never seen the folks wearing orange jumpsuits cleaning up trash along the highways, or nearly any celebrity trial that ends in "$CELEBRITY was found guilty and sentenced to 200 hours of community service".

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    40. Re:"Propaganda" by sesshomaru · · Score: 2, Funny

      he spent his childhood as a giant radioactive spider.

      To be fair, that's the main reason he got my vote, though. (Big fan of Crush, Crumble, and Chomp.)

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      "MIT betrayed all of its basic principles."
    41. Re:"Propaganda" by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It gives you great insight into the workings of someone's mind when they think requiring this amount of community service is akin to slavery, both in their inability to understand the role of school in society as well as of the significance of real slavery.

      The school system isn't making kids stamp license plates or cut down trees or fill reactor rods here, this is community service chosen by the youth in school. They may decide to help out at a boys & girls club of some form, or do some reading to seniors at a hospital, or whatever tickles their fancy.

      I think a lot of previous generations would be better off if they had more exposure to being engaged in this way.

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    42. Re:"Propaganda" by 2short · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "You're failing to understand the principal"

          Back when I was in school, the principal was a notorious mumbler, so this was a continuing problem.
          As for the principle in question: Some people believe doing some sort of community service work is a useful part of ones education. They believe it is important to helping the young learn to be well rounded and integrated members of society. You're welcome to disagree, and think it's a stupid waste of time.

      But if you think it's a scam to get cheap labor, you're crazy. For what it costs to coordinate and supervise 40 teenagers each doing an hours work, you can hire a couple adults as full time employees and get five times as much done.

  5. .gov? by thetagger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How the hell did they get a .gov domain considering that they aren't even in power yet? And even if they were, is this the kind of stuff .gov was created for?

    1. Re:.gov? by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, how dare he inform the public of what is actually happening in one of the most important transitions that can happen in government!

      Whether or not it should be .gov is really a technicality IMHO. He is the president-elect, after all.

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    2. Re:.gov? by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is not an uncommon use of a .gov domain. Just look at the Dem and GOP House Caucus sites. The GOP caucus has a nice set of articles on "THE COST OF THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS" and the Dem site, while not containing any hit pieces, has a lot of advocacy.

      Not saying it's appropriate, just there's a precedent for it and it's not beyond any pale of anything.

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    3. Re:.gov? by Cowclops · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government can not copyright material. All material produced by government is owned by the people collectively. But I'm not entirely sure what you're specifically referring to.

  6. Wow a President that plans ahead!!! by strangeattraction · · Score: 5, Funny

    It has been a long time since that has happend.

    1. Re:Wow a President that plans ahead!!! by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No it hasn't. Bush & Co. spent years planning their assault on the constitution.

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  7. It Begins by tripdizzle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the first installment of the government run media machine and how they will humor your requests http://www.change.gov/page/s/yourvision

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  8. Excellent... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...now we'll see if we can get him to change his policy on Nuclear Power (a necessity for cleaner power), pay more attention to what the AMA has to say on insurance, convince him not to raise taxes in the middle of an economic crisis*, and plead with him to leave Griffin as head of NASA and keep him properly funded. Anything I'm missing?

    While I'm being a little bit snarky, I think it's great that Obama has this outlet to let our voices be heard. I look forward to seeing if he listens. :-)

    * The $250,000 bit doesn't matter. What's more concerning is when Bush's existing tax breaks expire. When Hoover raised taxes in 1932, it caused a complete economic collapse of an already precarious situation.

    1. Re:Excellent... by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Obama tax plan reaffirms the Bush tax cuts on all but the highest brackets past 2010; the salient change is that the $250k bracket simply returns to where it was when Bush took office: see here. In the end, the total tax rate of the country is still below where it was during the Reagan administration. It's astonishing to think we went through the first decade of expansion this century without collecting any money to pay down our debt; through the 50s, the highest brakcet had a marginal tax rate of over 90%, in order to pay down our war debt, and that was a tax code submitted by a Republican congress and signed by Eisenhower. At the time thus amounted to a huge wealth redistribution since the paper on the war debt was in war bonds, which were universally subscribed, not to mention the costs of the GI Bill and Marshall plan, which educated millions and could also be considered a form of debt repayment or infrastructure invetment.

      When Hoover raised taxes in 1932, it caused a complete economic collapse of an already precarious situation.

      It didn't help that he wasn't spending much; if we trim up taxation while spending gobs on infrastructure like in 1933. Of course back then, they didn't have $10 trillion in debt.

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    2. Re:Excellent... by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As brother posters on this thread have pointed out, the real disaster of Hoover was his austerity; the Federal deficit simply isn't as important as getting the economy operating again.

      Yes the US $10 trillion, but over the last few months something like $30 trillion in assets has disappeared. The primary issue that must be adressed now is people's faith in investment, that the property they hold in the form of stock and the real estate is as secure in its value as any other appreciating/depreciating asset, and not subject to the vissitudes of manipulators and profiteers.

      This is true. And it's also true that there is a three word phrase, extensively used by Democrats over the last few years, which will -vanish- from their vocabularies henceforth. That phrase is "the Federal deficit".

      On what basis do you make that statement? Democrats have been consistent defict hawks for a decade, and have particular credibility since Clinton was able to bring the government into surplus, even given the anemic taxation levels of the 1990s.

      That said, it would be a disatser if they made defict reduction a priority before the economy was growing again. So yeah, it'll disappear for a few years, in the way they peopl don't talk about their flu when they've just had their arm cut off.

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  9. Why only one "blog"? by composer777 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Shouldn't there be blogs and forums so users can actually communicate with each other and make their opinions known to each other? That would be a powerful force, as they could band together to keep Obama in line if he strays too far from his promises. The way it is set up currently, it simply is a bullhorn for Obama, while his users can "share their vision" with a recycle bin. I don't see much (yet) to get excited about. It reminds me of CNN's "talkback", which is heavily censored and filtered.

    1. Re:Why only one "blog"? by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been a proponent for blogs for our elected offices for a while now. I don't think forums would work this term, though. Given how racist and irrational a large percentage of our population is, it will take about 2 seconds for such a forum for Obama to devolve into uselessness, even with heavy moderation. (And then, once you throw moderation into things, you have to deal with charges that you're biasing the comments.)

  10. this country by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    as well as many others, have fought important wars with drafted soldiers

    "Mandatory community service? Great, let's send a bunch of unmotivated kids to do stupid work. Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations."

    so you have a problem with the fighting forces of world war i and world war ii? where we gave 18 year olds guns and made them serve on the front lines of mayhem and death? i'm just saying, you'd better have a problem with the idea of a military draft, for the sake of intellectual honesty

    although, i've heard stories of many countries with mandatory military service as nothing more than a chance to learn smoking and peel potatoes. so mandatory civil service might prove stupid... or really good, can't tell

    but i do like the idea of paying off part of your student loans this way. because it serves as a carrot and a stick. if your civil service effort is poor, you would be punished by having to still pay your loans in full, for example. this at least provides motivation

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    1. Re:this country by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      so you have a problem with the fighting forces of world war i and world war ii? where we gave 18 year olds guns and made them serve on the front lines of mayhem and death? i'm just saying, you'd better have a problem with the idea of a military draft, for the sake of intellectual honesty

      Actually, I do have a problem with it. One of the key force multipliers that the brass has identified is that a voluntary fighting force is many times more effective than a drafted force. One of the key issues in WWI and WWII is that our men were dying without ever firing their weapon.

      It's not that they never had an opportunity, but rather that they were not professional soldiers. Being pressed into service with the fairly limited weapons training of the time did not train them to respond on instinct. They thought too much before pulling the trigger, and it got a lot of good men killed.

      However, the draft was a necessity for WWI & II. It wasn't until Vietnam that the true horrors of a draft became apparent. How many good men died in a war where we never lost a battle but lost the war? How many vets came back to be spat on, beat up, and otherwise disowned by the American people? How many vets lost limbs or were crippled only to come back and find hatred rather than care?

      The draft is an evil thing. Sometimes a necessary evil, but evil none the less. I can only hope that the US will never have to issue a draft again.

    2. Re:this country by composer777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In those other countries, the rich pay their share. All "community service" represents to me is yet another tax on the poor. If we are going to have mandatory service, then we should bring back the 94% tax bracket over $200,000 that Harry Truman had, or at least the 70% tax bracket that Nixon and Carter had. Right now, the rich pay only 35%, and many get out of paying even that. This just stinks, it's not as if working people don't already put in enough hours.

  11. Dear Sir by coryking · · Score: 5, Informative

    The government is paying a good chunk of your tuition in exchange for 100 hours of community service. Sounds like a fair exchange for me.

    Head Start.

    Do you know what this program is? The government lets you to earn college credit while you are in high school. Many of my classmates were able to graduate with a bachelor degree a year before us chumps who didn't take uncle sam up on the offer.

    Hell, that kind of shit would have been a nightmare for me at that age when I had massive social anxiety and was extremely uncomfortable in such situations.

    How do you know this? Maybe it would have got you over it sooner. In fact, I wager most of the people in head start did it to get away from their high school foes and sit around people who respected smarts.

    that Obama should MAKE you do it

    If you dont want to do it, pay full freight on your college tuition instead! Nobody is pointing a gun at your head saying "cash this government check!!"

    1. Re:Dear Sir by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The government is paying a good chunk of your tuition in exchange for 100 hours of community service. Sounds like a fair exchange for me.

      Exactly which part of the constitution are we deliberately misinterpreting to give the federal government the authority to do this?

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    2. Re:Dear Sir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Head Start? High school? I'm not sure what the heck you're talking about, but Head Start is a program to help little kids (3 or 4 years old) from lower-income or single-parent families. See www.nhsa.org

    3. Re:Dear Sir by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't see anything in the Constitution which forbids the government from giving out college tuition credits for any reason.

      It's this part: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

      And the community service for college students isn't mandatory.

      In the same way that the drinking age isn't "mandatory"?

    4. Re:Dear Sir by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everything not expressly allowed for our government to do in the constitution is forbidden. That's how it works, not the backwards interpretation people usually try to claim.

      The fact is, that's not how it works, nor how it has ever worked in our government, nor the interpretation the courts have ruled. This has nothing to do with college tuition; it's just the excuse libertarian wackaloons use to claim that everything the government does is illegal. Well, good luck with that. But constitutional law disagrees with you.

  12. Yes We Can - Draft you! by megamerican · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.change.gov/americaserves

    Classic double-think

    "When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood....

    Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

    Obama's chief of staff choice favors compulsory universal service

    Obama and Hillary Call for a Draft Live on MTV

    Text of H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007

    Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi

    Constitution, what Constitution?

    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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    1. Re:Yes We Can - Draft you! by slashdotlurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you trying to tell us that the Draft (which existed in fits and starts from WW2 to Vietnam) was unconstitutional ? It may have been a good idea or a bad idea, but I do not think it was unlawful. Why ? Because involuntary national service in wartime does not count (at least to my legally untrained ears) as involuntary servitude or slavery.
      And if the draft had been in place, I think this nonsense of a war in Iraq would have never started, and if it did, it would not have lasted this long. The only reason it has lasted this long is that most of the poor stiffs dying for you and me in the sands of Iraq have no career options back home (I am not talking about genuine volunteers, just the poor kids who use military service as a way to get out of the hell hole their otherwise gang and poverty infested lives are.).
      In that sense, given how much we are going to need the military (Bush has after all started so many wildfires around the globe), it might not be a very bad idea to re-institute the draft - it will give us the manpower we need, and will keep future chicken hawk oil-thirsty traitors like Cheney from driving this country into wars it does not need to be involved in. It will make participation in our government also that much more personal as a matter. And boost voting percentages even more, making the government even more representative of the people than simply a few shrill interest groups (if you have done any stats, you know what I am talking about).
      And yes, I could also be drafted.

    2. Re:Yes We Can - Draft you! by sesshomaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The draft is slavery, period. In the case of some wars, like World War II, the evil "good" war, it's hard to argue against it because the U. S. was fighting cartoonish supervillains.

      In the case of Vietnam, it caused rioting and nearly led to a revolution because people saw it for what it was.

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  13. In other news... by sesshomaru · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Joe the Plumber has launched:

    http://www.secureourdream.com/

    Yes, sadly now that his dreams of owning a plumbing business have crashed to the ground, he decided to become a political watchdog and "take it to the streets."

    Who knows what we'll be saying about him 4 years from now? A 1 year "Freedom membership" costs a mear $14.95 .

    Freedom, who among us is against that?

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    1. Re:In other news... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, sadly now that his dreams of owning a plumbing business have crashed to the ground, he decided to become a political watchdog and "take it to the streets."

      by his own doing. It was all his own actions that caused his problems. I am sick of the "I'm entitled" part that most people read into their interpretation of the "american dream"

      Work really fricking hard and sacrifice HARD to reach your goals if they are hard to attain. It's what most people that become successful do when they dont have millions laying around.

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  14. From an Obama supporter by psychicninja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I already liked the guy, but I'm honestly impressed by this. Any information from the government can be suspected as 'propaganda'. At least this site puts forth their agenda in an easy to navigate, plain English fashion.

    As for the 'submit your own idea' functionality, I think it's a great move. Even if they ignore most/all of the suggestions, isn't that the same results as not asking for them in the first place? At worst this is a waste of time and at best it's a huge step forward in citizen understanding of and participation in government.

  15. here comes the partisan hacks by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    story summary: obama and team put up website communicating their efforts

    take home message, pro obama: all the good i feel about an obama administration is taking effect

    take home message, anti obama: all the bad i feel about an obama administration is taking effect

    its just a communication tool folks. last i checked, communicating what you actually intend to do is never a bad thing

    for those of you who don't like obama, think of it as your enemy telegraphing his punches, allowing you to prepare your rebutal, or providing a convenient record for you to accuse him of not doing what he promised to do. see? its good all around

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    1. Re:here comes the partisan hacks by Porphyro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "big deal" regarding this is we've had nearly 8 years of 0 communication (people forget that Bush actually had a level of transparency in his early days of office - his televised speech regarding stem cell research, for example). It is looking like, regardless whether one agrees with his policies, Obama will at least tell us his thought process and solicit our feedback. (It might all get dumped to null for all I know, but at least he's asking).

  16. We'll build more nuclear power plants by coryking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike claims by McCain, I've never heard Obama say he was against nuclear power. At some point, he might have said he was against some specific form of power plant design or something, but never against the concept. McCain must have lept on that statement and blew it up to make it sound like Obama was against all forms of nuclear power.

    In fact, I think the "no more nukes" people have become such a small base that it would be politically safe to revisit nuclear power. Do you know anybody who is really against it? Most people I know are really concerned more about how to dispose of the waste, not really concerned about the power plant itself.

    But that all said, if you could develop power sources that are cheaper per megawatt then nuclear power, why bother? From what I understand, wind power is going down in price per megawatt that it is almost competitive with coal!

    1. Re:We'll build more nuclear power plants by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/NuclearPower

      Barack is not so much against the idea as he is the implementation. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to realize that much of the implementation problems are caused by the regulations around nuclear power. Waste disposal in particular is problematic because the government requires waste disposal rather than reuse and reprocessing. (I'm not going to go into the full details of the issue, but let's just say that it was a pointless attempt to prevent terrorists from getting Nuclear bombs. More security theater.)

    2. Re:We'll build more nuclear power plants by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a link directly from the horse's mouth:

      http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-on-nuclear-energy.html

      [W]hat we've got to figure out is can we store the material properly? Can we make sure that they're secure? Can we deal with the expense? Because the problem is, is that a lot of our nuclear industry, it reinvents the wheel. Each nuclear power plant that is proposed has a new design, has--it, it has all kinds of changes, there are all sorts of cost overruns. So it has not been an effective option.

      I'm hoping it's possible to swing his opinion toward strong support for nuclear energy. Because most of the issues he raises have already been solved, but are blocked by outdated and ineffective government regulation.

  17. Dear President Elect Obama by internerdj · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know you are new to politics so I thought I would let you know. Now that you have won, you can stop campaigning for about 3 years.

  18. South park by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    WHOO HOO! Change! We got change! Yes we can! F___ you, boss!

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  19. I dont know if it is possible by coryking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A forum that citizens "talk back" to a presidential blog would be the largest community website on the planet. Could you imagine how many comments a single blog post would get? I bet a single blog post, especially if it was even slightly controversial, could easily generate thousands of comments. How would you design the UI to navigate 5,000 comments? How would you moderate it? How would you even design it? Nobody would interact on such a forum either, it would be one blog post and 5,000 direct replies. No threads, nobody talking to each other, nothing. Just 5,000 comments that all sound the same.

    You can already see how this works by visiting the comments pages of any major national newspaper. Nobody reads other comments, and everybody replies directly to the article. You basically get pages of comments all talking to nobody.

    Personally, I dont think it is possible to allow comments on a presidential blog. I dont even know if it would be productive. It would just be a mess.

  20. I know where Africa is... by tjstork · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, I know where Africa is, and I can name the countries in NAFTA... and I'm running for US Senate as a Republican in 2010! :-)

    We deserved to lose this last election, and its time to set aside our own bitterness over how the left wing trashed Bush, not act like kids in retaliation, and do everything we can to help Obama succeed. We can dicker over free enterprise vs the government when we all have jobs and this country is at peace.

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  21. RTFA????? by spookymonster · · Score: 2, Funny

    How can he make a proper uninformed rant if you expect him to read anything first?!?!?!

    THIS.... IS.... SLASHDOT!!!

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  22. Put cynicism aside for a moment by AmeerCB · · Score: 3, Informative

    I already see a lot of posts about how this is a waste of time and how the government will never read the submissions and how this is a poor use of the .gov domain.

    Even if all those things ARE true, isn't a webpage that encourages two-way communication between citizens and the highest level of government *LONG* overdue? Regardless of how you feel about Obama or how much you believe this website will help or how much you believe in the "change" message, I would think that slashdot readers - of all people - would agree that it's ABOUT TIME the Executive Branch implemented an idea like this.

    I mean, think about it for a moment - I've been able to communicate with fantasy baseball experts, tech support workers, musicians, and videogame reviewers online for more than a decade. Yes this is the first time a president has thought to do something like this.

    Regardless of how well it works, this IS a step in the right direction.

  23. Re:Progaganda by volxdragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having a .gov domain means it's a tax payer funded government web-site.

    Um, no it doesn't. http://www.dotgov.gov/

  24. Prepare to defend your 2nd ammendment rights by Unending · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

    Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment- This would be a very bad idea go read up on why the Tiahrt Amendment exists that information should remain unavailable to the public for privacy reasons if nothing else. Also the reasons given there are incorrect at best.

    Making guns in this country childproof- Safe storage is a good idea, but I have yet to see a good safe storage law.

    Making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent- This is very bad.

    I prefer this guy because he is better than the alternative, but I knew this was coming and it concerns me.

    1. Re:Prepare to defend your 2nd ammendment rights by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      "Are you absolutely certain that eliminating guns would lower violence levels enough to make that an acceptable precedent?"

      How are the other countries that have done this doing?

    2. Re:Prepare to defend your 2nd ammendment rights by Javit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "assault weapons" ban did ban rifles and pistols (not all of them, obviously), contrary to your understanding. The name of the law was a misnomer, similar to the USA PATRIOT act. If "assault weapon" is meaningful at all, it refers to fully-automatic or select fire rifles and carbines. The ban had nothing to do with these, as they are already either heavily regulated or banned by the federal government and the States. I.e., "miniguns" are not currently legal to own.

      Talk about the "AK-47" is empty rhetoric employed by anti-gun organizations and politicians to influence those ignorant of guns and their use. Don't be fooled. As mentioned above, American civilians cannot own an AK-47 capable of fully-automatic fire other than under truly exceptional conditions (see the National Firearms Act on Wikipedia). To the extent you can walk into a gun store and buy an AK-47, you will be buying a garden-variety semi-automatic rifle, no deadlier than those used for hunting.

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  25. Privacy Policy by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, I tried e-mailing them yesterday to point out that their privacy policy looks to not match their actions (as they're linking to Google Analytics, so the cookies used to tracking people _are_ being shared with another website), and the e-mail address _on_their_privacy_ page bounced with an authentication error.

    Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:

    webmaster@ptt.gov
    Your message wasn't delivered because of security policies. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this message for you. Please provide the following diagnostic text to your system administrator.

    Sent by Microsoft Exchange Server 2007

    Diagnostic information for administrators:

    Generating server: ptt.gov

    webmaster@ptt.gov
    #550 5.7.1 RESOLVER.RST.AuthRequired; authentication required ##

    So I e-mailed postmaster@ptt.gov, and got:

    <postmaster@ptt.gov>: host mail-pls-smtp-02.ptt.gov[72.164.179.9] said: 550
            #5.1.0 Address rejected postmaster@ptt.gov (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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  26. America, land of the ....? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    land of the free. where freemen understand that freedom is protected by banding together, and fighting off threats to freedom. threats that exist abroad, in battle with evil ideologies that are antagonistic to freedom, or domestically, in poor areas of the country where freedom is threatened by economic misery

    you are not free if you are poor. the battle for maintaining freedom is a domestic and a foreign battle. if you think it is only a foreign battle, you do not truly understand the nature of freedom

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  27. Re:No NASA by stormguard2099 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source - Energy Efficiency.

    I gather rhetoric rather than science is his key policy.

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  28. Washington-speak by Yath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno, this seems like double-talk to me:

    Obama and Biden will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. They will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world...

    The first sentence is contradicted by the second. When you insist on extra conditions as prerequisites to trade agreements, such as good labor and environmental standards, you necessarily increase the cost of trade to whomever you're negotiating with. Thus, the likelihood of trade is decreased. Decreasing trade is the opposite of opening up foreign markets.

    This is independent of the question of whether insisting on labor and environmental standards is good.

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  29. Damned right - I need a tax increase! by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Screw this "community service" bullshit. We need paid employees to do these kinds of things. In fact, they should hire private contractors to hire people. Then I can pay for the people to do the work, people to manage those people, a corporate structure to make a prfit off of it, and a whole set of administrative personnel on the governmental side to administer the new contracts.

    As it is, I don't pay enough taxes, and am just looking for ways Obama can liberate more money from my bank account. Besides, most children these days already have an empathy for others and a well developed sense of their need to contribute positively to their community. Nearly every teenager I meet marvels at the wisdom of their elders and can't seem to get their parents to stop enticing them to play video games or text to one another all day. Having them do community service would just eat into the quality time they spend with their parents and grandparents, learning fine, small town moral values.

    The 100 hours a year in college might seem a bit high - I know it does to me - but on reflection it's like adding a 1 credit class each semester (3 hrs a week for 16 weeks twice a year). Many already do this. The "jump off a bridge" answer doesn't hold much water for me, so I won't cite the several "western" nations which require (up to 2 years?) of service from every citizen. I'm not 100% on board with this, but I generally like the idea. Then again, I'm not in school anymore, so it doesn't affect me as much.

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  30. Get over it. by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quit whining.

    It is not "slavery" to be forced to participate, it is not unjust, it is not unconstitutional. You have a responsibility to participate in your country.

    Yes, true, you could "choose" to live off the fat of the land and not participate in the past... but that didn't excuse your behavior.

    This country only exists in the minds of the people, because they participate. If those who participate decide that everyone needs to get off their butts and do SOMETHING, then you either go with it, or you actually do something about it. Don't agree? Go read Plato, Socrates' reason for committing suicide. Read the federalist papers. Read something pertaining to civil responsibility.

    My children participate in scouts and 4H, both of which require community service. As you progress to Eagle scout, those requirements grow. I am an assistant scoutmaster, as well as council member. My wife is into the women's organization in town. Easily, I would guess a large portion of americans could already justify more than 25-50 hours a year without changing anything.

    Heck a 1 hour a week meeting would give you 50 hours.

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    1. Re:Get over it. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you chose your community service. Am I free to choose mine as well? Who's standards must it meet? Maybe I spend 20 hours a week taking care of my sick grandma. Is that sufficient, or must I pick additional chores from a nationally approved list? How about those of us with small children; if the baby is crying from 2-5AM, may I be allowed to arrive late to the soup kitchen?

      I'm glad you volunteered to do scouting. That's a worthwhile cause and I applaud you for it. Still, even though I'm not a scout leader, I promise you I spend a whole awful lot of time doing stuff that's way more important to me and my family than anything you'd have me signed up for. You pick your service and I'll pick mine.

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  31. Re:Sick of "change" by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Try promising improvement and you'll get my attention.

    Two years of debates, at least 20 in the primary and three in the general. Unremitting press coverage. Two books, one specifically on Obama's political philosophy, written by the candidate in his own hand. Huge websites with encyclopedic overview of everything the candidate intends to do. This country's (to date) most expensive political television ad compaign, with issue ads, attack ads, 527s, the whole schmear.

    I admit I am having trouble finding the "promise of improvement," but then again I can never see the Angeles national forest when I drive through it: there's too many trees on either side of the road and they obscure the view.

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  32. Re:The constitution also allowed slavery by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except there is now an explicit Amendment to the Constitution outlawing slavery. See that is the correct way to change the law. If you want to allow the government to do things that the Constitution doesn't authorize, there is a system in place to change the Constitution.

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  33. Great Idea But... by sublimusasterisk · · Score: 3, Funny

    This idea was invented by Shampoo.

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  34. cmon people by Danzigism · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it kind of shocking how a good portion of slashdotters don't care much for Obama. But what is more shocking, is that these same semi-intelligent people think they can predict the future. quit your shit talking, and wait 4 years until we know for certain how things are going to pan out. you're not fucking Nostradamus.

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    1. Re:cmon people by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But what is more shocking, is that these same semi-intelligent people think they can predict the future. quit your shit talking, and wait 4 years until we know for certain how things are going to pan out. you're not fucking Nostradamus.

      *Ahem* iPod: No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

      Slashdotters get a lot of predictions wrong so you must be new here.

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  35. *sigh* by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i grew up rural, and i live urban now. i shot shotguns in the swamp behind the house with my granddaddy, a mile from our nearest neighbor, at gamebird and targets. i understand the need for your own form of protection when the police are half an hour away

    now, living in an urban environment, i see the other side of guns. guns are not only tools of virtue. they are frequently tools of mayhem. guns are not always in the hands of those who intend good, nor is there some magic wand which can tell who should or should not have a gun. such that in an urban environment, it makes sense to let the police be armed, and everyone else to have suppressed gun ownership, amongst common people. it simply cuts down on needless death

    and, as a side issue: no, arming only the police is not a formula for fascism. in fact, it is those who appeal to visceral force, who appeal to the gun, who are more likely fodder for embryonic fascist movements, not the police. really, read your history. random guys in the country is not a protection from fascism, it is the soil in which fascism grows

    back to the larger point: gon control is the approach to guns as it exists in europe. europe is mostly urban. meanwhile, the usa has mostly been rural throughout its history, but is shifting to majority urban in recent years. therefore, it is natural that attitudes towards guns will shift from a rural attitude to an urban attitude, and experience a watershed moment in the coming years against gun ownership

    and its simply a rural versus urban dynamic. currently, there are people dying in urban centers for the sake of a rural legal approach to gun ownership. in the future, there will be people dying in rural areas for the sake of an urban approach to gun ownership. its the majority deciding the legal approach. and either rural, or urban folk, suffer for the benefit of the other. for those of you want to keep your guns, urban blood is on your hands. for those of you who wish to curtail guns, rural blood will be on your hands. simple as that really

    personally it would be ideal if you could own a gun in the country, but not in the city. but this is nearly impossible to enforce

    and finally, the second amendment referred to posses in the countryside against native americans and british and french colonial forces. its completely taken out of historical context in reference to modern gun ownership needs, really folks. i don't know why the second amendment is so depended upon as a some sort of supporter of your right to have guns. are you the minutemen? the second amendment does not support the concept you think it does

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    1. Re:*sigh* by Gallon+of+Fuel · · Score: 2

      If you'd like some reading that presents the facts about the history and context of the second amendment, I suggest A People Armed and Free: The Truth About the Second Amendment. The guy offers a disclaimer that he does believe the 2A supports an individual right. However, he presents both sides, with full text quotations, not the partial texts that are often offered from BOTH sides.

      Your suggestion that you can not tell who or should not have a gun is somewhat well founded. It's true that you cannot pick out the guy with the flawless background (investigated via the FBI) that will someday use that firearm to commit a crime. The same can be said for the guy that will eventually drive his car into the front of a building and kill the mother buying a coffee at 7-11. You've probably heard this before, but I'll say it again. The outright ban of firearm ownership from law abiding citizens in an urban setting leaves you with a defenseless population against a defensive criminal front. Criminals get weapons. They don't go through an FBI investigation to get them.

      Also, to suggest that an armed populace is not a deterrent to a tyrannical takeover, well, history says otherwise.

      And even if you disagree with all of these things, I have one more question. Why are you so quick to take away what I enjoy so much? I shoot more in a month than most people do in their whole lives because it's FUN. Across all disciplines: trap, skeet, sporting clays, high powered rifle, rimfire target, steel plate pistol, practical pistol, bullseye pistol, cowboy action renactments, the list goes on.

      The 'gun rights' folks are one of the few 'activists groups' that never wanted to CHANGE anything. We want to keep what we have. That has been the stance since the beginning. Why can't you just leave us alone? These laws are treating a symptom of the criminal leniency in this country, not the underlying problem. Let's kill unborn children, but let violent criminals skirt the death penalty. Let's 'reform' inmates so they can be let out and turn them into repeat offenders.

      There's a reason the political left chose 'assault weapons' as their term of endearment for the target of choice in their continued infringement on civil liberties. I have asked a number of legislators in New Jersey why they feel the need to ban modern firearms. Their answer is that they have never heard of such a ban.

      'Assault Firearms' are nothing more than MODERN firearms. The so called 'evil features' do not make it any more lethal. 'Why do you need a flashhider?' Because when I shoot at night matches, I don't like being blinded by the first shot. Ignore the fact that flashiders do nothing to hide the flash seen by the TARGET. That would be too rational.

      'Why do you need a pistol grip?' Ever seen a good hunting rifle? They have thumbhole stocks. Remove some wood, and you're left with a pistol grip.

      'Why do you need a bayonet lug?' Why the fuck not? How many people have been bayonetted by a dude with a firearm?

      Come on people. Start thinking for yourself. Stop asking 'why do you need....?' Start asking 'Whats the problem with having...?'

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    2. Re:*sigh* by steveha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've seen you posting on Slashdot, and I usually respect what you write. However, I completely disagree with your conclusions here, and I urge you to think about this some more.

      No gun ban has ever succeeded in keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals. They want guns, so they get them.

      Some people will tell you that we could keep guns out of the hands of bad guys if we had a consistent, national, Draconian ban. A War on Guns, if you will. Think for a moment about the War on Drugs. Have we been able to keep crack cocaine out of the hands of users? If not, is it because we don't have a nation-wide Draconian ban on crack cocaine? Now consider that the crack users need to buy more every week. They can get drugs every week, in the face of a nation-wide ban. A violent thug only needs to get a gun once, and then he will carry it for months. (Basically, until he throws it away because cops are after him or something... then he gets another one.)

      And, consider how easy it is with a machine shop to make a functioning firearm. Even if all gun makers were driven out of business, and all firearms circulating in society were found and destroyed, and all gun smugglers were caught at the border... all of which I consider impossible, by the way... even then, the bad guys would start making their own guns.

      So, it is an axiom with me that no amount of law can keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of the bad guys. What then?

      Then, all you can do is disarm the law-abiding. Does that really help?

      Now, you mentioned Europe. I urge you to read the book The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy. I can't summarize a whole book in a few words, but the important takeaway is that violence is much more a cultural thing than a product of laws. England had a low violent crime rate. Then they banned guns. Then they had a low violent crime rate. People will tell you that England banned guns and has a lower crime rate than the USA; that's true, but can you really say it was the ban that caused the lower crime rate? (And in recent years, their violent crime rate has climbed...)

      So, I don't believe that you can successfully disarm the bad guys. And I don't believe that you can lower the violent crime rate by passing gun control laws. And history and the law agree that the cops cannot protect everyone; all attempts to sue the police for failing to prevent any crime will fail, even if the police were horribly negligent. Given all this, I strongly oppose any and all efforts to ban firearms in civilian hands.

      Also, bad neighborhoods in bad parts of town are where innocent people need firearms the most! I live in a boring, safe suburb, and I don't really need to own a gun. The truly poor people who live in horrible places are in much worse danger than I am. This is one reason I'm opposed to mandatory six-week training classes, expensive licenses, and bans on so-called "Saturday Night Specials". These things do nothing to stop the bad guys, and might keep an innocent citizen from getting a gun in a time of true need. I've read a few stories that curdled my blood.

      steveha

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    3. Re:*sigh* by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      such that in an urban environment, it makes sense to let the police be armed, and everyone else to have suppressed gun ownership, amongst common people. it simply cuts down on needless death

      Of course, there are no numbers which support your opinion. Here are a few facts about CCW permit holders: "Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,346,000 permits in twenty years, has revoked only 165 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,200 permits for any reason."

      for those of you want to keep your guns, urban blood is on your hands. for those of you who wish to curtail guns, rural blood will be on your hands. simple as that really

      What a load of crap. The "urban blood" is caused 90%+ of the time by drug-related violence. It is the "war on drugs" and accompanying gang-related activity that is the root of the issue. If you took away guns, they'd just be stabbing each other instead. If you really want to cut down on the crime, legalize drugs and do something about the 75%+ illegitimacy rate in the inner city. Oh wait, that'd be racist.

      Here in the Baltimore metro area, where it's impossible for law-abiding citizens to obtain CCW thanks to our asshole legislature (unless of course, you have celebrity status or are already the victim of violent crime), and as a result the criminals are emboldened to prey on the law-abiding because they know they won't get shot. These thugs don't give two shits about any new gun law you'd pass -- they don't follow any of them now! As the saying correctly states, if having guns is criminal, only criminals will have guns.

      are you the minutemen? the second amendment does not support the concept you think it does

      Yes, it does. See Iraq, where recently a group of determined citizens armed with small arms and improvised explosives made life miserable for their occupiers. The right of citizens to bear arms is fundamentally important to keep the government's power over the people in check. You may trust the friendly government not to fuck with you, but I've seen too many abuses of government power in this country to ever reward them with relinquishment of a constitutional right.

  36. Re:html change by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Looks like he's at least getting some decent web developers behind him.

    Well, let's see:

    • 17 attempts to send a cookie.
    • Single-pixel GIFs.
    • Google Analytics on a .gov site
    • Different CSS for IE6 and IE7.
    • Commented-out dead code (including something called the "America Serves" plan)
    • Commented-out banner rotation (must have copied that from some other site)
    • Commented-out "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Curabitur suscipit erat vitae massa. Phasellus ut est."
    • 20 errors in HTML validation, including a mismatch between the character encoding in the HTTP header (iso-8859-1) and the META tag (utf-8).
    • Type is XHTML, but there are many unclosed tags.
    • Nothing on the page that couldn't have been done better in HTML 3.1.

    Interesting commented-out content:

    • A New Era in Transitional Transparency
    • Healthcare
    • Voter Protection Center
    • America Serves / Service Plan / Find a Way to Serve
    • The Blog
    • Latest News
    • Upcoming Events
    • Press Room
    • The Inauguration

    This isn't good HTML. It's HTML copied from several other sites and cobbled together by an amateur. Lame.

  37. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Karma+Sink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Blacks voted 88% for Kerry, it's not -that- big of a shift, and a lot of it has to do with new voter registrations, as well - new voters were pretty consistently pro-Obama.

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  38. No by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should always vote for the best person.

    People with small minds vote based on race. So do your best to put them in the minority.

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    rediculous.
  39. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by KalAl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How can you stereotype the entire 95% of Blacks as anti-White, and in the same breath say that all 64.5% of Hispanics and Asians are completely racially unbiased? How do you support these claims? You also seem to be neglecting the percentage of Whites who voted against a Black candidate. Let's say (and I think this is reasonable in our country) that 25% of McCain voters are anti-Black. How does that change your final vote estimate? This racism deal goes both ways.

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  40. Re:Economy by NiceGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to Slashdot - where everyone is an armchair economist.

  41. do you have a better alternative? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    no, what you really have is the desire that you don't have to help the poor at all

    why should you care, right?

    well, poverty is the breeding ground for ideologies which are antagonistic to freedom. they also breed unorganized threats to your freedom, such as petty crime like theft and robbery

    the poor who live near you, tax you, no matter what. in direct and financial ways, or in indirect, existential ways. you can choose the nature of how they tax you (government programs with explicit policies that you have control over as a citizen of a democracy), or choose to have the poor tax you with random criminal acts and ideological movements hostile to the notion of freedom

    you are taxed by the poor in your world no matter what. you do not get to choose not to be taxed, because taxes on your freedom will play out in one way or another by the poor. you simply have a choice about the nature in which the poor tax you. government programs that benefit the poor and lift them out of poverty is the best form of taxation, the CHEAPEST form of taxation (financial or otherwise) before you

    choose wisely

    most of us understand the value of altruism, how it actually helps us out in the end, instinctively. others, like you, have to be dragged kicking and screaming to common sense

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  42. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by sorak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the interesting things about political correctness is that even racists do not want to appear racist.

    Instead, they are amateur sociologists who only care about the aspects of sociology that justify racial disparity.

    They are also amateur historians who only care about Nazi and Confederate history.

    There are also the amateur biologists who love to discuss genetic inferiority, and how that observant the 16th century slavers must have been to have cracked the genome 500 years ago...

    And now, we have amateur political scientists who specialize in the unfairness of black people getting elected.

    <sarcasm>It's amazing that so many of these people are self-taught. </sarcasm>

  43. watched the news by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone watch the news and see all the stories of the happy people who say that they are are finally on equal ground? The people saying that now they can be anything they want to be. Why they sudden change of mind? People were not thinking that way before? Those people who were thinking that because they are of a certain race (or not a different one) they are limited to do this small list of jobs are only defeating themselves. Why couldn't they think like that before the election? It is sad, truly sad. Those people were keeping themselves down and not realizing it. All the kids saying that now that can be anything even president, they always had that choice. They, like everyone else, has to work for it. Not everyone is born into huge piles of money and has everything they want handed to them.

    1. Re:watched the news by Slugster · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I saw this too--online, and heard it in people talking in real life, the general thought that all their problems would be solved "real soon now".

      I didn't vote this time (the first time in 20+ years) as I didn't like either the Facist (McCain) or the Socialist, and there were no other important elections locally. So who won is really no disappointment to me--at least, not more than I was expecting anyway. McCain would have engaged in blatant idiocy as well, it only would have been different idiocy.

      One thing's for sure: there's not going to be the money for all the big, glamorous nanny-state programs that Obama has spoken so fondly of in the past. The markets are currently giving Bush Jr a supreme jackhammering, and they'll deal one to Obama's fairly-tale economics as well in due time. So when it comes to what Obama can really do, that leaves the free stuff (gun prohibition) and stuff that actually saves money.

      The BIGGEST thing Obama could do to save money would be to bring troops back home, but it doesn't seem we'll be seeing that--as Obama looks to be a pawn of Israel just like Bush was, and many US presidents before them.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/04/AR2008060403508.html
      -

      "... Thursday, June 5, 2008 A mere 12 hours after claiming the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama appeared before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee yesterday -- and changed himself into an Israel hard-liner. ..."

      When Obama promised "change", somehow I didn't think reversing his campaign promises was what they had in mind.

      Oh well,,, how's that old saying go?
      "People know what kind of government they want, and they deserve to get it good and hard"
      ~

    2. Re:watched the news by dubl-u · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why couldn't they think like that before the election? It is sad, truly sad.

      Some years back, when I started to lose it on top, I shaved off my pony tail, and stayed a chrome-dome for a year or so.

      A couple of months in, I was talking with pals over beers, and told them that the weirdest thing about it was that strangers treated me differently. Nervous looks in the grocery store line. Uncomfortable pauses when chatting with people on the bus. Crossing the street so they didn't have to pass me on the sidewalk. One of those friends, whose parents are African immigrants, and who is one of the most affable people I know, said, "Yeah, now you know how it is to be black."

      I didn't, of course, not really. How could I? But I could see that if you spent your whole life with people treating you as different, lesser, or scary on a daily basis, it would tend to color your outlook. And what I'm sure of is that most white people have absolutely zero understanding of what it's like to not have the instant boost in regard that they get just from being white.

  44. Re:Why stop there? by Toe,+The · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm assuming that's tongue-in-cheek, but just to be clear: the Metagovernment has no political agenda other than to maximize participatory democracy by presenting a vastly superior alternative to representative democracy. Communists, capitalists, conservatives, liberals, libertarians, etc. are all welcome and encouraged to participate. Even authoritarians are welcome to participate, though theirs is a philosophy that is rather contradicted by the Metagovernment's basic principles.

  45. Re:Internet not gateway to "true democracy" by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For one, most people have no clue how to use computers. If you were to drive government through the internet then it's safe to say it would be an elite-driven government and would leave out most lower-income families.

    Unlike the elite-driven corporate government we have today....

    Do you honestly believe internet-based polling is less or more prone to corruption?

    You want to end corporate-driven governments? Simply ban the flow of money from corporations to government events (such as elections). Moving voting to internet doesn't help at all. If anything it makes things worse.

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  47. African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by linzeal · · Score: 3, Informative

    African Americans deserved an erudite and experienced leader and they got one in Barak Obama. He got a proportionally higher amount of the AA vote than did John Kerry or Bill Clinton. African Americans have been voting democratic for years well over 70% in most areas, this is nothing new. What saddens me is that the high black voter turn out brought to light some of African American's prejudices against homosexuals where the high black turnout passed 3 anti-civil rights measures regarding gay marriage. It is time now to start examining the anti-Semitic, anti-Asian, anti-Hispanic and anti-homosexual prejudices of African Americans. Rev. Jesse Jackson has always been a bigot about most of these issues, many black church leaders the same and what the black community needs now is someone who can help them with introspection because they are going to have a lot more attention paid to them with Obama as president.

    1. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Homophobic" is newspeak. Does it ever occur to you that people who oppose adoption by gays, for example, may do so on the basis of principles they hold and not irrational fear?

      I think of ancient Greece, which can hardly be considered a culture that discriminated against homosexuality, yet I know of no movement for gay marriage in ancient Greece. "Marriage" is a word that has meaning in our culture for a long time, having "gay marriage" is not giving equal rights, it is a radical redefining something that is considered one of the basic building blocks of society.

      Everyone who opposes anything like this is labelled "homophobic" though. It's an attempt to eliminate discussion. "Islamaphobic" works the same way. Perhaps you would disagree with my position on adoption or gay marriage (neither of which I have given here because it isn't my point), but do you think it is possible that gay lobby groups could have a bad idea and that opposition to that idea could potentially be "sensible" rather than "homophobic".

    2. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by Eric+Pierce · · Score: 2, Informative

      > "Caucasians" deserved an erudite and experienced leader and they got one in Barak Obama.

      So many people seem to leave out that Obama is half African American and half Caucasian. He is truly multi-racial and represents the "average" American more than the past 43 presidents. Go Obama!

      EP

    3. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by Cornflake917 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Homophobic" is newspeak. Does it ever occur to you that people who oppose adoption by gays, for example, may do so on the basis of principles they hold and not irrational fear?

      Does it ever occur to you that some people's principles are what cause/create irrational fear? Or that people's irrational fears morph their principles?

    4. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by Kingrames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the fuck are you talking about?
      Allowing gays to marry does not "get rid" of marriage.

      Furthermore, it was not until the revolutionary period that Marriage was predominantly about love. Prior to then it was purely political. To say that marriage hasn't changed for all of human civilization is flat out wrong.
      Or do you still believe it should be illegal for blacks and whites to intermarry? Or for anyone to become divorced and remarry?

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    5. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by rohan972 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Homophobic" is newspeak. Does it ever occur to you that people who oppose adoption by gays, for example, may do so on the basis of principles they hold and not irrational fear?

      Does it ever occur to you that some people's principles are what cause/create irrational fear? Or that people's irrational fears morph their principles?

      Yes, it does occur to me and it does happen. That doesn't negate my point that not necessarily everyone who disagrees with a homosexual lobby group can be accurately called homophobic even if they are wrong, yet they are routinely labelled as such.

      Personally, I'm not against gay marriage as such, I'm against government interference in private relationships. I wouldn't have marriage controlled or determined by the state at all. In that case, people who wanted to enter into a contract regarding shared property rights, sexual exclusivity etc could do so. If they want to call that marriage, they could do so. If someone else doesn't want to acknowledge that, they don't have to, not being a party to the contract.

      Note that I've been given a troll mod for making a case for reasoned argument rather than politically correct labelling of people. It demonstrates my point nicely.

    6. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by NiteShaed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some people just don't want to throw out something that has evolved over 10,000 years of human society.

      I'm not seeing how expanding the practice == "throwing it out".
       

      Others think that the purpose of marriage is to create a family and don't think that throwing that away is in the best interest of society.

      I'm unaware of any procreative requirement for marriage. Those people don't generally have a problem with people getting married who are infertile due to age or illness, or who simply don't want children. I also fail to see how allowing homosexual couples to marry interferes with heterosexual couples carrying on as they always have.
       

      That doesn't mean that people against gay marriage are homophobic, any more than it makes people who voted for Obama misogynists and ageists.

      Since there's no rational argument to support those positions, it kind of does mean that. Some of them reacting to a "yuck" factor. They think that homosexual behavior is gross, and they think that they will somehow prevent it by stigmatizing it. Others believe that their chosen religion forbids it and that they should act to stop others from doing it, regardless of whether the homosexuals in question are part of their religious group or not. The weird part is, nobody is expecting them, the gay-marriage opponents, to actually engage in this behavior, they're fixating on something other people do that they don't ever have to take part in themselves.
       

      There are valid reasons to be against gay marriage. Marriage has worked, and worked extremely well, for all of human civilization. Why do we want to get rid of it?

      I strongly disagree. I've yet to hear any valid reasons to be against gay marriage. If you don't want to marry someone of the same sex, don't. But why stick your nose into someone else's personal life where you're not welcome or wanted?
      Further, a nearly %50 divorce rate does not suggest that marriage works "extremely well". Really, a 50-50 success rate? You may as well say flipping a coin works "extremely well" as a method of predicting the future.

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    7. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by thasmudyan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > "Homophobic" is newspeak. Does it ever occur to you that people who oppose adoption by gays, for example, may do so on the basis of principles they hold and not irrational fear?

      No, I don't think fear is the biggest factor here. Your post makes it perfectly clear that you people are striving to deny equal rights to members of society that are different, out of principle. You define yourself by conjuring up an in-group that is on a perpetual mission to prevent the emergence of other social structures, acting as though the mere existence of alternative lifestyles is a threat to your way of life. And I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume this is all religiously motivated.

      It's not fear, it's a combination of hate and the desire to impose authoritarian values on others in an effort to hide your own deficiencies. Maybe there is also the thought that, by making the lives of others more miserabe, you won't feel so bad about your own anymore.

      > I think of ancient Greece, which can hardly be considered a culture that discriminated against homosexuality, yet I know of no movement for gay marriage in ancient Greece.

      We are not ancient Greece, and that's a good thing. While ancient greek culture was certainly a milestone that represented the best knowledge about how to build a free society at the time, I'm very glad that we have evolved much further from those days. Being in a civil union with a life partner is not merely a commercially driven endeavor to procreate anymore, it is a concept based on the modern notion that two people are bound together by love.

      My opinion? Maybe it's not the government's place to define or grant the status of "marriage" at all. Maybe legally, there should instead be just one concept of "civil unions", defined to be any partnership of two people who want to spend their lives together. Let the churches have that word, "marriage" and do whatever they want with it.

      On a personal note, I have many homosexual friends, but even if I did not, it would still make me deeply ashamed to see that people still refuse to stand up for the rights of others. Many seem to think not having a personal stake in something makes it OK to look the other way when human beings are treated with contempt and their rights are called into question. But we need to recognize that we have to keep fighting, not only for our own personal freedoms but also for the freedoms of every single person who is treated wrongly. And that includes not letting people like you get away with pseudo-reasonable arguments of intolerance and inequality.

      I recognize the right of my friends to express their lifestyle by entering into a recognized union, and I know it should make no damn difference what gender they happen to have.

    8. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by nog_lorp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I horribly disagree with everything you said, up to your last point. Why the fuck does the government give marriage licenses in the first place? Everyone who wants to marry should be given a civil union, and then do whatever ceremony they want for their marriage. If the Catholic Church doesn't allow gay marriages, well you're fucked if you are a gay Catholic because it is their right under religious freedom.

      The whole concept of government marriage licenses is bad.

    9. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by Risen888 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does it ever occur to you that people who oppose adoption by gays, for example, may do so on the basis of principles they hold and not irrational fear?

      No.

      "Marriage" is a word that has meaning in our culture for a long time

      "Marriage" is also a legal institution that confers legal rights and responsibilities, it affects things from your taxes to hospital visitation rights. Yes, this is an equal rights issue. Don't be dense.

      it is a radical redefining something that is considered one of the basic building blocks of society.

      Here we agree completely, and I further say "It's about damn time." Our grandchildren will be taught about this struggle in forty years and be ashamed of us.

      Everyone who opposes anything like this is labelled "homophobic" though. It's an attempt to eliminate discussion. "Islamaphobic" works the same way.

      Actually, I tend to use the phrase "ignorant bigot."

      Perhaps you would disagree with my position on adoption or gay marriage (neither of which I have given here because it isn't my point), but do you think it is possible that gay lobby groups could have a bad idea and that opposition to that idea could potentially be "sensible" rather than "homophobic".

      No, but certainly not because I haven't listened to their arguments ad nauseum. I've heard it all, I've heard that children will be taught analingus in elementary school, I've heard about how those pernicious gays recruit innocent young boys, I've heard about "TEH FAMILY! TEH FAMILY!" If you, on the other hand, have something that doesn't sound like the same old tired Religious Reich nonsense, if you want to talk some fucking sense, by all means entertain me.

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    10. Re:African Americans are overwhelmingly homophobic by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      When marriage is made illegal, only outlaws will have inlaws.

  48. Re:why is this stupid? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

    So if you are not a middle or high school student, the mandatory requirement does not apply to you. As for college students, this is tied to the $4,000 tax credit. If you don't want that money every year, you can choose not to do community service.

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  49. Ah, windfall tax by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Barack Obama and Joe Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills. This relief would be a down payment on the Obama-Biden long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief.

    Because it's so wrong to make "excessive...profits". Speaking of which, who defines "excessive"? Will companies now have to look at ways to reduce their incoming, so that they don't make "too much" money? /that's/ gonna help the economy in the long run. Oh, hey, by the way, who funds the permanent tax relief, since this is only a 'down payment'?

    1. Re:Ah, windfall tax by mattsqz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $18-40 billion PROFIT in 2007 while still raising prices through summer '08 seems like excessive profits to me when their greed is damaging the economy by making any sort of travel prohibitively expensive..come on now. rising oil prices are only giving oil companies more money, they dont have to raise prices to keep up profits, only to increase profits at the expense of everyone else. it is an artificial price increase brought apon the american people - basically, they can raise prices as much as they want and people have to pay it because they need it - to heat their homes, drive their cars, to deliver goods by truck (the main method here in the us). sounds almost like extortion to me.

    2. Re:Ah, windfall tax by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's called supply and demand. When you have a limited supply and high demand, prices go up. Otherwise, in this case, you get shortages at the pump.

      And you know what? People adapted. They drove less. They adapted so that maybe it was good enought o heat their homes to 68 instead of 72 in the winter. As a result, they bought less gas and oil -- and drop in demand is bringing gas/oil prices back down. No government intervention or theft of corporate funds by the government required.

      It's easy to point a finger and say "Ooh, big bad oil companies making Too Much Money". But if the government can draw an arbitrary line in the sand and say "This much is too much", then they can easily move that line tomorrow.

  50. Re:i enjoy playing with plutonium by R2.0 · · Score: 2

    you enjoy posting on the internet. good for you. i don't enjoy pedophiles trading child porn. and for that reason, i have no problem taking away your toys. deal with it, child

    Words have killed far more people than guns ever have, and you, Mr. Slashdot User, are just as connected to child pornographers as legitimate gun owners are connected to criminals - they use the same tool.

    It's a lot scarier when applied to you, isn't it?

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  51. Looks competent by ivoras · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They've:

    • Survived slashdotting (and the topic is hot so it was probably a stronger slashdotting than usual)
    • Running Apache, and probably Linux.

    There's hope yet :)

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  52. Re:i enjoy playing with plutonium by ion.simon.c · · Score: 3, Interesting

    you enjoy driving your car. good for you. i don't enjoy thousands of unnecessary traffic deaths in this country. and for that reason, i have no problem taking away your toys. deal with it, child

    ~43.6k deaths from traffic accidents in 2005.
    ~30.6k deaths from firearms in 2005.
    Cite: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf

  53. Tut! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where have you been? Our dear and glorious leader Eric Raymond has redefined hacker politics, and we're now all moderate-to-neoconservative. Some of us reject left-right politics altogether, like Eric. And Dr. Breen.

    If you thought there was whining aplenty about how there are no conservatives here before the election, you haven't seen anything yet. Soon enough, the vast majority of comments will be complaints modded +5 about how no one's left who's brave enough to stand up against the liberal menace, and if so, they're invariably modded down.

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  54. Whoa! by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you are saying ignorance about computers means you are low-income? Bush was hardly low-income, and ignorant as hell. And just what did the tubes guy make a year? You sir, are the elitist prick.

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    1. Re:Whoa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe 10 years ago but these days almost everyone has some sort of access to the internet, whether it be in the Library, public school, or at home. Computers are the cheapest they have ever been, where you can get a low grade desktop that is perfect for web browsing for 2 bills. Internet access may be a bit up there but dialup is still around and can be sought for around $10/month. Even broadband costs will only break the most broken wallets. Maybe 10 years ago there were many low income households that didn't want or could do without a computer but I think your assertion is a very dated one.

  55. Oh, indeed. Racism is unfashionable. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think we sell the Civil Rights movement a little short when we forget that racism was as acceptable fifty years ago as sexism was in medieval times. No, the movement didn't end racism, but it did at least make it unfashionable; racists at least had to pretend to be interested in "law and order" or "national security" or "enforcement of immigration laws" whatever the dogwhistle is this season.

    Eric Raymond describes two kinds of racism, essentially the kind where you think you're racist and the kind where you don't. Being Eric Raymond, he goes on to claim that the latter isn't racism at all, and so racism is over, but hey, it's Eric Raymond. The distinction, I think, is a useful one--what was once as common and universal as the very air is now essentially vanished from our mainstream discourse.

    Racism isn't over, not by a long shot, but damn, is it ever not as bad as it used to be.

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  56. It's not *their* racism. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not so much racism among black voters, as the racism of the Republican party. Hell, the Republicans would, if not for the racism thing, be a good pick for at least a portion of that voting bloc, as they frequently lean socially-conservative on plenty of issues. (Take Prop 8 in California, for instance.) But in attempting to appeal to their own racists--the white kind--who make up the party's base, they alienate everyone else.

    Consider this: the election was heavily influenced by Latino voters, who were previously a very Republican constituency, especially in Florida. But due to the influence of Tom Tancredo, of Lou Dobbs, of Michelle Malkin, of the Minutemen and all their ilk, Latinos are now considerably more Democratic.

    So, no, black people didn't vote for Obama because he was black. They voted for Obama because the other part is the party of white racists. I'm not saying that all or even most Republicans are racists, but there's one party that's made its bones by courting them, and there's one party that hasn't; it's not hard to tell which is which.

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  57. Re:Mmm, conservatism! by TheUz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To me, being a conservative means that I want my government to adhere to the Constitution, not change it as they see fit. The people calling themselves conservatives these days are the same ones who gutted the fourth amendment, held without due process and tortured people, gave the executive branch the authority to declare martial law in case of economic emergency, and let's not get into war for oil or economic bailouts.
    I wish these people would stop calling themselves conservative. I have a better name for them.
    Criminals.

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  58. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by compro01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From my Canadian POV, I see 3 main reasons why Mccain lost:

    1. Palin.
    2. The continuous attack ads made him seem like a jerk.
    3. His "de-mavericking" over the past few years, leading people to ask "WTF does this guy actually stand for?".

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  59. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't suppose you noticed, but African-Americans regularly give somewhere in the upper 80% range of their vote to the Democratic candidate. At worse, you could say that maybe 5-10% of African-Americans voted for Obama on the basis of skin color. Of course, it's equally possible that the additional enthusiasm about the election this year caused people who usually are apathetic voters to turn out, and it's generally accepted that Democrats flake out on voting more than Republicans (I don't know why, but it's fairly common for rain to depress Democratic turnout disproportionately; this is the opposite case).

    As for the primaries, the positions were similar for both candidates (Hillary more centrist on positions aside from health care). I'm not inclined to be all that critical of voting for a candidate that inspires you, even if it is partially due to their skin color, if the substance of their positions is so similar as to be irrelevant. Given the equally tilted voting preferences by white voters in large sections of Appalachia, it's a bit hypocritical to attack the black voters alone.

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  60. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Neoprofin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope it didn't, from either side.

    I voted for Obama because I felt he was a better choice to lead the nation. A well-spoken and intelligent man who also shown on occassion to be shrewd politician.

    That's why it bother me the level of celebration from some of the people (all white) I know that we finally have a black president. What does it matter if he's black? I didn't vote for or against him because of it, I don't feel better or worse about our future because of it. Tokenizing his win as finally filling some obviously unfilled niche is a disservice to his qualifications if that was the basis of anyones choice.

    Of course the morning headline the next day on CNN was an expose that the poor blacks of Atlanta feel like they finally have a shot in life. Hint: they don't have any more or less of a shot than they did before because Barack Obama isn't a successful black man, he's a success in general. How much of one has been under debate for a while due to the cloud surrounding his academic career, but the point is he's accomplished more than most people of any race will thus far and making it about race cheapens everyone.

  61. Re:html change by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apparently, you have no clue how web development works. Some of your criticism is valid, but some of it is plain inane.

    1) Single pixel gifs and google-analytics are how people on a budget track website usage. You want to roll your own code - pay for it.
    2) IE6 and IE7 is so different that it requires different CSS. We're hoping that people abandon IE6 ASAP so that we don't have to support that abomination anymore.
    3) Commented out banner rotation is the quick way to deal with requests that say "Put this in now! But it's only temporary, so be ready to roll it back at a moments notice."
    4) Lorem ipsum is the standard placeholder anytime anyone does any design work. Why? Because it is guaranteed public domain.
    5) 20 errors in HTML validation? That's it? You might work flawlessly, but sometimes, flawless is what keeps you from putting out a working site on time.
    6) Nothing on the page that could have been done better in HTML 3.1? Of course. Now you go develop it. Test it. Roll it out, and make sure it is easy to update in the future.

    Yeah, the site ain't perfect. But it seems to me that you never developed a site that had to come in on budget and on time. The flaws you pointed out are nothing more than what is done every day in web development shops around the world. You want to fix it? I'm sure the site would love to employ a perfectionist know-it-all with zero work experience.

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  62. Re:Please stop spreading mistruths. by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Obama did NOT run unopposed. Did you just not look at the words I typed? Have you bothered to do a cursory google search on the issue? He ran against Alan Keyes. What part of that do you not understand?

    Look, it says so right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Illinois,_2004

    There's two candidates. Barack Obama and Alan Keyes. So how did he run unopposed?

    As to your second assertion that video link you posted is an hour long. Can you give the time in the video where they start talking about public service?

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  63. Gay "marriage" by Ritchie70 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been thinking about this a little lately, and it occurs to me that perhaps "marriage" should be treated as a religious, rather than civil concept.

    So the government could issue a "License of Union" but it would take a church to make it a "marriage."

    I don't think it's unreasonable for a gay couple to want the same set of protections as a married heterosexual couple - inheritance, health benefits, tax benefits and implications, decisions about each other's health care, etc. But that doesn't necessarily have to be called "marriage." I understand that may be what the gay rights activists want, but you can't always get what you want.

    Personally I just think people need to get over it. All the gay people I've known are just plain people, they just prefer that their partner have the same set of equipment in their pants as they do.

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  64. Re:Economy by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    The fed fixing the price of money isn't the problem, the problem is that the price of money is fixed on the idea that the market is going to do whatever is in the best interest of itself and those who work to prop it up, an idea Alan Greenspan got absolutely ridiculously wrong and idea he got from Ayn Rand.

    Ayn Rand seems to think that Greed isn't really what most social commentators says it is, which is a driving personal selfish motivator to gather as much wealth power and resources out of some sort of odd paranoid desire to control everything, and is instead just simply self motivation and ignoring all of that crap about people who just want every damn thing they can get their hands on.

    The problem here is greed and conservatism. Plain and simple. Cue the dot com bubble. Markets took a dive, housing was one of the last few hot investments, banks were selling homes like crazy and eventually got the go ahead to start selling loans to people who may not normally be able to make good on their loan agreements prompting banks packaging mortgages together that wouldn't normally pass the smell test as the "security" part of a group of credit derived securities. Since the housing market was hot, everyone assumed that these securities would be secure. They weren't, the rug got pulled out underneath a lot of people who were told to get this kind of loan, then it rippled through the financial sector. The SEC should've stepped in, stopped this bullshit and moved on. Regulators should've stopped the subprime mortage trend back when they were in full swing and people were buying homes they needed but thanks to an artificial housing bubble, couldn't necessarily afford. The problem was was that there wasn't anyone at the high levels of the SEC or HUD who were even remotely concerned about regulation. If the housing bubble wasn't even allowed to start in the first place, we wouldn't have this kind of catastrophic meltdown.

    When you put a bunch of people in charge of Government who aren't entirely enthusiastic about Government, it takes a shit in it's own pants and blames everyone it can.

    The Fed's credit policy sure did influence things, because it was run by a Randian idiot like Alan Greenspan(seeing as how most of the loans that tanked this nation were done during his watch, he's partially to blame), not because of the general concept of the fed itself. The reason why we even have a fed is that banking crises like the one we went through happened all the damn time and there was nothing to keep the currency flow sane. The Fed only works when there's someone operating the Federal Banking system who actually believes in a Federally regulated banking institution.

    Credit exists for a reason. It's not just money that's thought up out of thin air, it's a promise to produce back into the market system that which you have taken, and a little more with the end result being that you get what you want, and the creditor gets what it wants and that's made through your own work and effort. It's turning kinetic and mental energy into cold, hard, cash. Like short term business loans. You're selling widgets, and Part A costs you $7 per unit, and you get a very large order in. Your widget makes a nice profit, and while you're not able to afford enough of Part A right now, if you could build and fulfill your order of widgets then you would be able to easily, and you take out a loan to cover that operating cost you can't cover from cold hard cash in your own reserves. You fulfill your order, you pay back your loan and everything is nice.

    The real destruction of money is the stopping of this credit cycle. Being greedy and trying to make it impossible to pay back any sort of credit is what destroys the system, but in a regulated market, you DO get your money back AND a profit, but just not as much profit as you could've gotten if you strung along consumers trying to get as much out of them as you could have. Like ARMs, Adjustable Rate Mortgages. They don't think you can pay back the loan, but if yo

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