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India's Chandrayaan Lands Impact Probe On the Moon

yaksha writes to tell us that the Indian Space probe, Chandrayaan, has become only the fourth nation to land a probe on the Moon. The 35-kg Moon Impact Probe touched down in what officials are describing as a "perfect operation." "Developed by ISRO's Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapuram, the primary objective of MIP is to demonstrate the technologies required for landing a probe at the desired location on the moon. The probe will help qualify some of the technologies related to future soft landing missions. This apart, scientific exploration of the moon at close distance is also intended using MIP."

203 comments

  1. Moon Base Dell Support Center by Skeetskeetskeet · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is "Patrick". How can I be of assistance?

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    1. Re:Moon Base Dell Support Center by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Patrick,

      I need assistance with filing my home foreclosure paper work. How do I power on my computer ?

  2. That's no moon.... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's Cheese!

    (if you mod this down, the meme will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine)

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    1. Re:That's no moon.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Thank you! Come again!

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    2. Re:That's no moon.... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Troll? Surely the Simpsons should be required knowledge before you get mod status...

    3. Re:That's no moon.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Troll
      Because I hit too close to their secret plans!

      This probe is in reality the cornerstone for the first "Quickie Mart" on the moon!

      :)

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  3. Indian Probe? by AndGodSed · · Score: 1, Funny

    So how long before there is a bollywood musical on this?

    1. Re:Indian Probe? by Smackheid · · Score: 1

      So how long before there is a bollywood musical on this?

      That's not a bad idea. Plus, given Bollywood's prodigious output, it's very likely to happen. Should be interesting to see what the choreographers come up with to choreograph those Indian dance moves in big shiny space suits.

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    2. Re:Indian Probe? by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      Please let there be whalers involved.

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    3. Re:Indian Probe? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      big shiny space suits

      You haven't seen a lot of recent Bollywood cinema have you?

      While the outfits are likely to be shiny, the ones worn by the women during dance scenes will be tiny.

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    4. Re:Indian Probe? by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 1

      They will have to try real hard to up this one, even with all the cheesy musicals and all.

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    5. Re:Indian Probe? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "While the outfits are likely to be shiny, the ones worn by the women during dance scenes will be tiny."

      Bless them...

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    6. Re:Indian Probe? by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      Hmmm Aswira Rai vs Liv Tyler for eyecandy...

      choices... choices.

  4. Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapuram by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapuram

    Run away, they're Klingons!

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  5. "Chandrayaan has become only the fourth nation..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't realize that Chandrayaan was a nation. Congratulations to them!

  6. Landing? by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know if "landing" is the right term for it, exactly. That doesn't seem fair to people and devices that actually... don't splat when they "land."

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    1. Re:Landing? by powerlord · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought also.

      On the other hand we use the expression "Land a punch" which is certainly not a soft feathery thing (we hope).

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    2. Re:Landing? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

    3. Re:Landing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it "splats" and survives to send back information afterwards, I'd still call it a landing.

      It's kind of like that old joke about flying aircraft: any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.

    4. Re:Landing? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Funny

      But nobody walked away from this one...

    5. Re:Landing? by Black-Man · · Score: 1

      Uhh... it impacted at like 3.5K MPH. They assumed it landed because transmissions ended.

    6. Re:Landing? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      35 kg != 3.5K MPH.

      Or are you reading something I didn't see?

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    7. Re:Landing? by Black-Man · · Score: 2, Informative

      Must not be mentioned in the article you read... in the one I read it states:

      "Space official Shiv Kumar said the 34-kilogram probe hit the moon surface traveling at 1.6 kilometers per second, which is a speed of 5,760 kilometers per hour (3,579 mph)."

    8. Re:Landing? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Um, I'm reading TFA (gasp, yes, I know). What are you reading?

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    9. Re:Landing? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I don't know if "landing" is the right term for it, exactly.

      "Landing, with extreme prejudice?"

      That doesn't seem fair to people and devices that actually... don't splat when they "land."

      I watched a boxing match the other night, and the commentator screamed: "He LANDED a right!"

      Well, one of two did go splat.

      What they actually did, was ... well, you know that annoying Weather Guy on your local TV station? They rolled down the window of the orbiter, gave him a microphone, chucked him out the window, and told him to keep squawking, until he touches ground.

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    10. Re:Landing? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      It does stretch the definition of the term a bit, yes.

    11. Re:Landing? by spazdor · · Score: 1

      "Landing, with extreme prejudice?"

      Falling, with style.

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    12. Re:Landing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      K MPH? Kilo miles per hour? That's a very weird measure of speed. Why would you mix SI prefixes with non-SI units? Also, it looks very similar to 'kmph' (kilometers per hour) which is a proper unit of speed, but not the same as what you said.

    13. Re:Landing? by Amiralul · · Score: 1

      Ouch. Shouldn't they have a little rover inside?

  7. The probe is a nation? by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Indian Space probe, Chandrayaan has become only the fourth nation to land a probe on the Moon

    It also must be the smallest nation to ever accomplish such a feat!

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    1. Re:The probe is a nation? by ifdef · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read more carefully. India might have a population of 1.15 billion, but the probe itself does not.

    2. Re:The probe is a nation? by denttford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The probe is not a nation, nor is the EU.

      Instead: "With the Chandrayaan-1 mission, the ISRO becomes the fourth space program..."

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    3. Re:The probe is a nation? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Read more carefully. India might have a population of 1.15 billion, but the probe itself does not.

      They didn't wash their hands when building the probe.

    4. Re:The probe is a nation? by zaivala · · Score: 1

      Small in what sense? India has 3 times the population of the US, and is the seventh largest country geographically. India is also civilized enough to have currently incarcerated fewer than 250,000 people (compared to our 2,200,000). Obviously they have more people to work on solving scientific problems... unless our space program is an outgrowth of the prison industry.

    5. Re:The probe is a nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor were the United States, originally.

    6. Re:The probe is a nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nopes you are wrong. the four coutries are:
      US, Russia, Japan and now india.

      Japan is the smallest country of all.

    7. Re:The probe is a nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa, dude, slow down and actually read the words. That whooshing noise you hear is the sound of the GP's subject line whizzing past you.

    8. Re:The probe is a nation? by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      Reread the quoted text 10 times and you might get the joke.

    9. Re:The probe is a nation? by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      Bastard beat me to it :/

  8. Which is it? by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it a lander or did it impact?

    When I book a flight, I want to know the landing time, not the impact time.

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    1. Re:Which is it? by KlaymenDK · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because they *can* tell you the landing time in advance. The impact time tends to be determined on rather short notice...

    2. Re:Which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is MIP - Moon Impact Probe. The summary is bad. But that's no excuse not to read the linked story.

    3. Re:Which is it? by gnapster · · Score: 1

      It was an impact probe that was dropped from a lunar sattelite, according to this article. Chandrayaan was apparently the name of the sattelite, not the probe, which is why it could land a probe despite not being recognized as sovereign in International circles.

      CBC News: Now with more information and fewer typos than TFA!

    4. Re:Which is it? by Selfbain · · Score: 1

      They probably called it an 'Impact Probe' even though it's a lander because that way if it slams into the moon, they can just say 'Uhh ya that's what we meant to do'.

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    5. Re:Which is it? by Anpheus · · Score: 1

      When someone asks you how far you'd get if you lost one of the engines, tell 'em "All the way to the scene of the crash! We'll beat the paramedics there by half an hour, we're haulin ass!"

      (Credit Ron White for that.)

    6. Re:Which is it? by Xerloq · · Score: 1

      I hope you don't get on the flight if they give you the impact time.

    7. Re:Which is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I want honey-roasted peanuts, but there's some things the airline industry is simply unable to provide.

  9. Impact probe by bastafidli · · Score: 1

    One thing I wonder about is why to spend all this resources to send an impact probe? I mean, why don't you send a probe which can do more and just in case fails and crashes, there you go, there is your impact probe.

    1. Re:Impact probe by sighted · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chandrayaan-1 is an orbiter that will be in operation for some time. The Moon Impact Probe just rode along. One purpose for the impactor was to serve as part of a dress rehearsal for a later soft landing mission. From the source announcement: "Weighing 34 kg at the time of its launch onboard Chandrayaan-1, the box shaped MIP carried three instruments â" a video imaging system, a radar altimeter and a mass spectrometer. The video imaging system was intended to take the pictures of the moonâ(TM)s surface as MIP approached it. The radar altimeter was included to measure the rate of descent of the probe to the lunar surface. Such instruments are necessary for future lunar soft landing missions. And, the mass spectrometer was for studying the extremely thin lunar atmosphere."

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    2. Re:Impact probe by ijakings · · Score: 1

      As long as it doesnt carry and Anti-Mass Spectrometer I dont mind.

    3. Re:Impact probe by danene · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the impact probe is actually an afterthought. The original plan included only the Chandrayaan which is a satellite which comprises of 11 missions (terrain mapping etc) for a 2 year duration. Indian ex-President Dr. Kalam suggested that perhaps a probe could also be added and the Indian Space Agency got quite enthusiastic about the idea. The real purpose is not to land or impact on the moon its the development of technologies to reach the moon and the 11 missions on the satellite. It is simply a precursor to landing a man on the moon which is planned for in the next 15 years. Why does it take so long you might ask ? 2 reasons, one cant obviously simply buy the technologies, and secondly the whole program is on the shoestring budget (this particular program including the development and deployment of all the technologies cost US $ 76 million).

  10. In Other News.... by TheNecromancer · · Score: 1, Funny

    Indian officials have announced the first 7-11 on the Moon will open in early 2009.

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    1. Re:In Other News.... by tejaskokje · · Score: 2, Informative

      7-11 is not owned by India dumbo.

    2. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but the stereo type is that an Indian guy works at 7-11.

    3. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) joke, tasteless though it may be
      b) he didn't say India owns 7-11. Pakistan does.

    4. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."

      -- Vice-President-Elect Joe Biden

    5. Re:In Other News.... by sponga · · Score: 1

      It was a stereotype for awhile and it was true that a lot of people/families from India ran the 7-11's, when the mass immigration took place.
      This is true about the dry cleaner also, it is a mostly dominated by Asians and there is some history to that but that's for another day, not racist it is just they dominate that industry.

      Most of the 7-11's these days are run by the Indians because they have a lease from 7-11 for them, basically their family members run the business until they have enough money to buyout the establishment to run themselves.
      What you are seeing now is a lot of those families who ran the business are now reaping the benefits of the hard work they put in to save up for the buyout(whatever it is called), replaced with the steady Mexican worker now.

      I talked to a 7-11 clerk one day who explained that they own a couple of them and have worked their way up to it.

      Living in Southern California you experience a lot of different nationalities and after walking into a 7-11 for the past 15 years to get coffee.

    6. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indian officials have announced the first 7-11 on the Moon will open in early 2009.

      What's the purpose of such bigoted opinions?
      Your jobs are going to India?
      Sure they are -- you suck at it!

    7. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, I am from Kerala (the place the space station is at ) and I found the joke inoffensive.
      We keralites migrate a lot, so the local joke was that when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, there was a keralite called Kuttappan running a teashop there.( its funnier in Malayalam since Kuttappan and Tea rhymes).
      Now stop stealing our 7-11 jokes or we'll steal your 7-11 jobs :-)

    8. Re:In Other News.... by ghoul · · Score: 2, Funny

      O cmon Neil Armstrong's first words on the moon were " Thats one small step for man, one giant leap for... Sardarji aap yaha?"

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    9. Re:In Other News.... by Kagura · · Score: 1

      What's the purpose of such bigoted opinions? Your jobs are going to India? Sure they are -- you suck at it!

      Wow, way to entirely lump a nation into one stereotype while yelling at somebody else for doing the same. You have to think about your posts before you hit the 'Submit' button. ;)

    10. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your jobs are going to India?
      Sure they are -- you suck at it!"

      Bullshit... Our jobs are going to India because Indians are willing to work for what we'd consider slave wages, not because of any imagined superiority on the part of the Indians. As soon as Indians start charging higher rates for outsourced labor, we'll just move the jobs somewhere else, like one of the 'Stans.

    11. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am from Kerala (the place the space station is at )

      Cool.

    12. Re:In Other News.... by supermansuper · · Score: 1

      First, slaves are not paid. There. Second, you do realize that there is a huge difference in the cost of living between in Indian and the US, right? Let me explain in terms you guys understand - food: For US$1 ~ INR 50, you can get 2 or 3 solid meals at an average restaurant/fast food place. In US, 1 dollar gets you a can of coke or a small 100gm back of chips. Do the math.

    13. Re:In Other News.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good one macha!

    14. Re:In Other News.... by bain_online · · Score: 1

      For US$1 ~ INR 50, you can get 2 or 3 solid meals at an average restaurant/fast food place. In US, 1 dollar gets you a can of coke or a small 100gm back of chips. Do the math.

      Well you are slightly off. I would rather say a $3 ~ 150INR gives you a good meal at middle standrand indian restaurant, a good stylish restaurant will still cost you around ~300INR (PIZZ huts, McDownelds etc) and a really good one will cost you around 700-1500 INR + equivalent for drinks. Ofcourse more options are always options are always there to take care of the poorest and the richest... but this is what a typical upper middle class is faced with. Agreed though its still a lot cheaper than US.

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  11. Irrational Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Am I the only person who worries that when the Indians start getting their act together instead of subsidizing other countries with cheap intellectual talent that we're done for?

    1. Re:Irrational Fear by colmore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, if there's another successful nation on the planet, we're dooooooomed.

      Talk about insecure.

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    2. Re:Irrational Fear by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      "Done for" in what sense? Just because someone else gets it better doesn't mean you get it worse.

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    3. Re:Irrational Fear by vidarh · · Score: 1

      Why worry? The more the Indian economy grows, the more employees it needs, the more salaries get driven up. Large Indian software companies are already helping drive up the cost of outsourcing IT jobs to India. Fair enough, it will mean more competition to some extent, but more likely it will long term drive up demand for IT skills worldwide (outsources are already scouring China, and even African countries are seeing investment - some Indian outsourcing companies are even sub-contracting to companies in these countries).

    4. Re:Irrational Fear by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, you're not the only one. A lot of people are deluded in precisely the same way. There's a old human instinct that gets misapplied in modern times such that when someone in Florida is successful, someone in Michigan gets excited about it, proud of the accomplishment and hopeful for his future prospects in the world, whereas if it's someone in Berlin or Baghdad or Beijing, the same person in Michigan gets depressed, takes no pride in it, and worries about his future prospects in the world. This never made a great deal of sense, and makes virtually none at all in the modern world with a global economy.

      We enrich ourselves the most (both monetarily and culturally) through our interactions with those more closely on par with us economically. Our best trading partners are the G8, and we all profit immensely from their success. Our most harmful relationships, both for our own economies and citizens as well as for those we exploit, are with third-world nations. The imbalances in those relationships hurt us all in different ways.

      The moral of this story is quite simple: the sooner India, China, and other third-world nations "get their acts together" and rise to "first-world" status, the sooner they come to be on par with us in the same way our G8 partners are, the richer we all will be. An impoverished and thus cheaply exploitable India is a far greater threat to us than opportunity -- a rich and prosperous India would be a far greater opportunity than threat.

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    5. Re:Irrational Fear by drewvr6 · · Score: 5, Funny

      We can only hope that their prosperity also brings them a feeling of superiority and entitlement as well as a strong desire to spend the weekend watching sports from their couches. That should slow down their ascendency a bit.

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    6. Re:Irrational Fear by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      When you look closely at the shuttle, hubble and the mars missions, the US still has done some very awesome stuff since 1969. Nothing has the low orbit payload capacity of the shuttle, nothing compares even closely to hubble and the US is the only country to have soup-to-nuts mars missions (launcher, etc).

    7. Re:Irrational Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The moral of this story is quite simple: the sooner India, China, and other third-world nations "get their acts together" and rise to "first-world" status, the sooner they come to be on par with us in the same way our G8 partners are, the richer we all will be. An impoverished and thus cheaply exploitable India is a far greater threat to us than opportunity -- a rich and prosperous India would be a far greater opportunity than threat.

      That's not entirely true. The comfortable lives people in rich countries enjoy is because they can outsource labor to poorer countries. An iPod costs only $200 because they guy making it in China makes only (say) $200/month. Now if it were manufactured in the US, it would probably cost at least $300.

      This'll have a rippling effect on prices of all commodities. For eg people whose services we depend upon, like cooks and waiters will demand more money, since their money will now buy less. As a result eating out will become more expensive, as will everything else.

      I grew up in India before moving to the US. My comfortable live in India and now in the US was/is possible because people who I depend on directly and indirectly make a lot less than what I do.

    8. Re:Irrational Fear by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It does make sense.

      The global economy means those on the top need those on the bottom to work for nothing and live in squalar.

      When someone else is moving up the ladder, and you are on top, that is not a good thing.

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    9. Re:Irrational Fear by spazdor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, if there's another successful nation on the planet, we're dooooooomed.

      For your sentiment to make sense, you'd have to be confident that America still has what it takes to go to the moon. Is that the case?

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    10. Re:Irrational Fear by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, there are still plenty of nations to economically exploit in turn by India and China as they rise. We've still got the whole Africa, for one!

    11. Re:Irrational Fear by iphoneenvy · · Score: 1

      ... someone in Michigan ...

      Why bring the Canadians into this? They are a harmless enough people. GO BUCKS!

  12. Pround moment by tejaskokje · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wonderful day. Proud to be an Indian.

    1. Re:Pround moment by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering that this advances humanity (albeit just a little more, since we've done similar things before, but rarely), I think all of humanity can be proud of this.

    2. Re:Pround moment by catbertscousin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Congratulations! The more countries that study space, the better. The final frontier shouldn't be an elitists club; anyone with the dedication to develop and support a space program should be proud.

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    3. Re:Pround moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Wonderful day. Proud to be an Indian.

      Someone needs to bring `whitey on the moon` up to date.

    4. Re:Pround moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proud to be an Indian.

      Indians have plenty to be proud of. A very advanced culture existed in the Americas, before . . .

      What? Umm, never mind.

      All joking aside, congratulations!

    5. Re:Pround moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And using Indians as astronauts will be cheaper too. :-)

    6. Re:Pround moment by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      And using Indians as astronauts will be cheaper too. :-)

      Well, that's a deservedly +5 Funny, but it does bring up a valid point. NASA spent huge sums doing the best it could for safety. Russia, which also accomplished significant things in space, was less concerned about safety. How will India and China fare in this regard?

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    7. Re:Pround moment by sanman2 · · Score: 1

      Here's a glimpse of where India wants to go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBOotJDJ1k But I agree, it's something for everyone to be proud of. Here's a website from a Mexican fan of India's space program - he's got a paper model of India's GSLV rocket that can be printed out and assembled: http://www.chihuahuadepapel.com/ingles/gslv.htm

    8. Re:Pround moment by stbill79 · · Score: 1

      And as US citizen who has worked and lived in India, let me be the first to Congratulate the Indians!

      You guys have a lot of problems to work out, but so does every nation, including the US.

      As a tech guy who has seen both sides of the offshoring/H1B,L1 Visa issues, I'll admit that I have very mixed feelings about all of it. I'm human, looking out for #1, as is everyone else, and I'm a little bitter and fearful for my industry. Sending rockets to the moon just makes me more afraid since I know it will be harder and harder to make the argument that the Indian tech sector may be cheap, but it is inferior to our own.

      Denying the fact that the US and other industrialized powers lose more of their importance, status, and global hegemony at the expense of other nations' rises is silly. But I'm personally hoping that India, the world's largest democracy, can take the lead from other rising powers (i.e. China).

  13. india has nukes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    India can put a probe in orbit around the moon and hit it with an impacter. they also have nukes. do i smell another cold war style arms race? i wonder how this makes China and Pakistan feel?

    not saying, or hoping, it goes that route. however if you can get stuff to space and get stuff to the moon you can surely hit anything on the earth. India is now another player in that crowd.

    1. Re:india has nukes by Digitus1337 · · Score: 3, Informative

      This does not change India's status as a "player" in that respect. It does not need very much range at all to hit Pakistan or China. It is so close to Pakistan that it would be -very- difficult for either side to retaliate in the case of a nuclear attack if there was any amount of hesitation, which does make the situation dangerous (for fear of false positive indicators of an attack) but this does not change that.

    2. Re:india has nukes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone's a bit jealous. Why do you have to bring nationalism into this?
      How about just congratulate them for what they have done and move along.

  14. Ahh.. American Relevance by bigattichouse · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ahh.. American Relevance in the new century fades a little more. Just hope we don't go kicking and screaming.
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    1. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by CorporateSuit · · Score: 0, Troll

      ahh.. American Relevance in the new century fades a little more. Just hope we don't go kicking and screaming.

      Oh $#@*! They're only 40 years behind us! PUT YOUR BACKS INTO IT, MEN!

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    2. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by owlnation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This should come as no surprise. Just as it should have been no surprise when the British Empire fell either.

      It's very hard to understand why Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" is not required reading for politicians and corporate leaders. If you depend on slave labor (in the US case, outsourcing) then ultimately your empire will fall. It's inevitable. And yet so avoidable. Eventually, there is a payback for greed, and this's just yet more proof that politicians are ultimately self-centered morons.

    3. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by PaneerParantha · · Score: 1

      ahh.. American Relevance in the new century fades a little more.

      Oye yaar, vee did this fotty years after Amreeka. How does Amreeka's relevance fade a little more? You are still ahead of us. C'mon yaar, have some faith in yourself.

    4. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2

      Since the US has been sat on its ass gloating for 40 years they're not 40 years behind any more. I'd put them maybe two or three before they go for the moon shot.

    5. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe, all empires eventually wane and decline -- regardless of whether they were dependent on "slave labor" or not??? I mean, its not like any other empires from the Roman era are still are around -- everything eventually dies. That's simply nature's way.

    6. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by jcnnghm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they land men on the moon in two years, they'll be 41 years behind. You seem to assume we haven't accomplished anything since 1969. You're discounting our Mars missions (rovers, landers, satellites), the Hubble, the Space Station, GPS, the Shuttle, the upcoming JWST, not to mention the myriad satellites, probes and impacters. We've truly, repeatedly, gone where no man has gone before, they cannot say the same. It's much easier to follow in the footsteps of another than to blaze your own trail.

      Granted, we haven't really made any giant leaps since 69, except for ubiquitous Internet (that's a massive except) and minicomputers, but we have made enough small steps to climb a mountain. Everything we did yesterday, we do better today. We haven't done too much new, just everything old, better. So much advancement has been made in the last 15 years, it's ridiculous. It may not be a space age, but it's certainly the age of improvement and refinement. Everything is smaller, faster, smarter, cheaper, and all around better. Many small steps, in aggregate, can be better than one giant leap.

      It's foolish to assume that because people are catching up to our achievements made decades ago, that they are somehow superior to us. It is good for them though, and perhaps it will give us the impetus to move on to bigger and better things.

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    7. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It's only inevitable if you don't adapt; which we are.

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    8. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by enoch_root_3 · · Score: 1

      space exploration is done with some awe and reverence, not for measuring you d!@k. This mission carried with it American and European instruments, free of charge. Although competition is good, sometimes cooperation is also needed. This vehicle will be imaging the surface from 100km, so lot of new information will also be available. The main goal of the impactor was essentially to carry the flag, so that one day India can stake a claim for better or worse. And finally, the mission cost $80 million. Cooperation can be useful.

    9. Re:Ahh.. American Relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trying doing all that without the zero (http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Zero.html)

  15. Can we finally... by RelaxedTension · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Get some images from another country of the original American landing site? They have the probe in orbit, as does China. It would finally put to rest (or verify) the conspiracy theories.

    1. Re:Can we finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      As a moon landing denier, let me be the first to say that any such pictures would be fakes.

    2. Re:Can we finally... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      You know they're not going to accept that, either. It would just prove that the conspiracy reaches even further. India is a US ally, after all.

    3. Re:Can we finally... by RelaxedTension · · Score: 1

      China, on the other hand, would probably love to be able to show the landing areas being completely devoid of equipment or flags. And, any pictures that are produced would be scrutinized, pixel by pixel, like the ones that were shown to be doctored by the Chinese last time.

    4. Re:Can we finally... by drpimp · · Score: 1

      What about finally sending one of our own back there to verify any conspiracies friend or foe?

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    5. Re:Can we finally... by mqsoh · · Score: 1

      No, because they're all fake.

    6. Re:Can we finally... by RelaxedTension · · Score: 1

      No, because if NASA does it, we would then need to wait for another nation to land people there to see if the equipment is made of foam and plywood.

    7. Re:Can we finally... by Fumus · · Score: 1

      And how exactly would you be able to tell if they photographed some untouched lunar surface and said the landing was a fake?

    8. Re:Can we finally... by RelaxedTension · · Score: 1

      Not foolproof, but see this: Chinese Moon Photo Doctored, Crater Moved.

      I would think that the new pictures would be some of the most closely scrutinized in history. A lot of people on both sides would want to authenticate or discredit them.

    9. Re:Can we finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since when did India become an US ally?

    10. Re:Can we finally... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      It would be a waste of money.

      We ahve mountian of evidences they are not believing, and all there 'proof' has been debunked.

      A picture of the site would just be labels as part of the conspiracy. add to that little facts like the flag was made out of nylon, and as such it has probably dissolved from the UV.
      Do you think a conspiracy nut would believe that's why it is gone? no.

      Global conspiracy belief is a mental disorder.

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    11. Re:Can we finally... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      since when did India become an US ally?

      Since they became not an enemy. See how that works? To use GWB's logic, they're not against us ... so they must be with us!

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    12. Re:Can we finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese questioned even the Indian moon mission even while it was in progress.

      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chinese_media_questions_Chandrayaans_success/articleshow/3665791.cms

      So I dont think they would ever want to acknowledge other nations' success

  16. more people in poverty than population of USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

    Why are they doing this again?
    I get trying to inspire people but does this really help the people of India in any way?

    1. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that if they hadn't done this, there would be less poverty in India?

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    2. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by argiedot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I'm going to tell you something. It may seem like the sensible option would be to take the space money and put it elsewhere, but that isn't true.

      India's INSAT series have been very helpful in the past, and people were saying this when those were launched. ISRO has a nice commercial launch program and this will only improve perceptions of their ability and reliability.

      That's all without pointing out the implicit false dichotomy in your comment. India can solve its problems, we, as a people, in incredible short sightedness, have chosen not to. Corruption is rampant, but the only people who can stand strong against it (the informed, educated middle class) is happy because they have good salaries. The poor cannot do anything, they have little power. The rich won't do anything, they benefit. We're in that lovely no-man's land where it is better for the individual to take what he's got and live it nicely. I don't mean this as a condemnation of any political philosophy, or India itself. I am Indian, and I am like this, and I can see that everyone else is, too.

    3. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what, a country can work both the poverty issue and space issue.

      Besides "According to the new World Bank's estimates on poverty based on 2005 data, India has 256 million people, 21.6% of its population, down from 60% in 1981 living below the new international poverty line of $1.25 (PPP) per day." That was 3 years ago, and the situation is getting better. AND 256 million is not higher than 295M ((US Census Bureau estimate based on 2000 census).

      Search for what technologies were discovered from the US space program. Search also for how improvement in morale improves productivity and eventually helps the well being of a country and its peoples. A lot of people keep asking the same tired old question.

    4. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by eln · · Score: 1

      Corruption is rampant, but the only people who can stand strong against it (the informed, educated middle class) is happy because they have good salaries. The poor cannot do anything, they have little power. The rich won't do anything, they benefit. We're in that lovely no-man's land where it is better for the individual to take what he's got and live it nicely.

      So basically just like the US. Got it.

    5. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by Brahmastra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was waiting for that - Stop all progress because someone somewhere needs something. Maybe you should stop shitting and flushing because someone in the world needs some water

    6. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Taking X from one side of a scale and putting it on the other means that you have a relative deficit of X on the side that you took it from. I doubt that anyone in this thread has enough insight into India's governmental budgets to know how precisely how much we're talking about, but I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the money would otherwise have gone at least partly into projects aimed at combatting poverty.

      Whether or not it's an appropriate allocation of funds is a subjective matter, but the money has to come from somewhere.

    7. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Combating poverty is not the governments job. If the poor dont want to be poor anymore they can work harder and pull themselves out of poverty. The govt is meant to do things the private sector cannot and at present space exploration is something the govt cant do. If the money was not spent on space it could be spent on some other research but poverty alleviation or as I call it bread and circuses is a waste of money.

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    8. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Of course combatting poverty is the job of the government. The government exists for the people, and it is in the interest of the people to escape poverty. You say Indians can work harder and pull themselves out of poverty as if there are jobs waiting around the corner for anyone willing, which absolutely is not the case. Your inability to understand the magnitude of poverty in India, and the responsibilities of a democratically elected government must make it easy for you to make the arguments you're making, but they don't correspond with reality.

    9. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the plan is to advertise for the outsourcing of satellite launches. They could probably do 1/4 the cost of NASA or ESA, or perhaps 1/2 the cost of Russian Federation or Chinese launches. So it's a relative bargain if you want to put your corporate communications satellite in orbit. It may be a couple hundred millions less in dollars or euros, but the total profit for India is still a heaping metric ass-ton of rupees when it comes down to it.

      (But good luck with the call center service if and when something goes wrong. lol)

    10. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP!!
      well put. I cannot agree more.

    11. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by akincisor · · Score: 1

      Hah, that's funny, the Americans are preaching socialism to a country whose constitution starts

      "WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN *SOCIALIST* SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC ..."

    12. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Why are you replying to me with this comment? Neither am I American, nor am I preaching socialism by stating the obvious truth that a democratically elected government exists to serve the citizenry.

    13. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by ghoul · · Score: 1

      The govts job is not to serve individuals , it is to serve society and do not everything which needs to be done but only that which needs to be done AND cannot be done by the private sector. jobs are best generated by the private sector. The govts job is to provide the regulatory framework like enforcement of contracts, environment standards, carrying out of unprofitable basic research which allow the private sector to create the jobs needed without endangering the safety of society just to increase profit margins. Job creation, poverty alleviation, CHARITY are things best left to the private sector(Mind you a properly regulated private sector not the American model where its OK to be unethical and break laws as long as you bribe/lobby the appropiate politicians or were classmates at an IVY league school with the guy supposed to be regulating you. Thats just crony capitalism which privatizes the profits and socializes the risks)
      India tried the socialist model but it didnt work. Hopefully India will not do the mistake of following the crony capitalist American model and stick to pure well regulated capitalism like Scandinavia.
      So again I say India needs to spend on space till the day it becomes commercially viable and then shift the funds to the next area of basic research. No amount of dole, social security, welfare, disability benefits will solve the problem of poverty. All men are NOT created equal and there will always be more successfull and less successfull people- the govts job is not to pick winners or give consolation prizes to the losers- it is to keep the game fair.

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    14. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Of course serving individuals is part of the governments responsibilities, as the government exists for individuals, and is funded by individuals. The majority of jobs are in the private sector, but the private sector sometimes needs incentives to sustain and develop otherwise unprofitable jobs, and that is part of what alleviating poverty constitutes. You don't seem to know at all what a government is.

      Perhaps you should stop and ask yourself if the current problems in India are indicative of a private sector which is capable of managing the labour shortages and general poverty on its own. The answer is right in front of you.

    15. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by ghoul · · Score: 1

      The root cause of poverty in India is a lack of capital for industry as for 300 years all excess capital was sucked out of the country and stored in London. That London is the financial capital of the world has a lot to do with the wealth sucked out of India. Before the arrival of the British India had the highest per capita income in the world and it will have the same status again one day but 60 years of independence are not enough to catchup on the capital deficit of 300 years of colonialism. Nor is India an undeveloped area like the America or Oceania where there are excess resources for the taking (the easily available resources were all extracted in the last 4000 years of civilization and the resultant wealth was looted in 300 years of colonialism) India needs to catchup and doing basic science and technology is what we need to do as we are not sitting on a shitload of oil (the root cause of American prosperity) nor did we have colonies(the root cause of European prosperity). Wasting time on stupid European concepts like socialism and welfare is the last thing we need to do. Thankfully Nehru and his generation of Anglophile Brown sahibs are dead and gone and we can get on with the task of building real wealth through hard work rather than expecting handouts. And if lack of capital is the problem the governemnt can hardly solve the problem of job generation as the government itself has no capital other than what it raises through taxes and pump priming through government bailouts of a particular sector generates fewer jobs than the jobs lost in other sectors of the economy due to the higher taxes which are made necessary to pay for bailouts. In short governments cant do anything about alleviating poverty other than provide a level playing field- anything else is just playing with lies, damn lies and statistics.

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    16. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Now you're saying that it's impossible to gather the necessary capital for the government to do something about alleviating poverty, unlike your previous posts where all you said was that it wasn't their job. Now that we're talking about the issue of the government gathering the necessary resources to alleviate poverty, I think we can both agree that allocating resources in other areas leaves fewer resources to be allocated to alleviating poverty, meaning that we came full circle, and that I've seen no reason why my views should be wrong.

    17. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Well having cool things to do for brilliant scientists makes sure the brilliant scientists stay in the country instead of leaving and contributing to the success of NASA and hence opening up the tech gap even more. And if brilliant people stay in the country the second string of people also stay back thinking they might have a shot at doing the cool things and while they wait for their shot they do other things which helps the countries tech base and economy. Just to say if Europe hadnt funded CERN saying basic physics is not worth doing Tim Berners Lee wouldnt have been at the right place and time to invent the WEB. Who knows 5 years from now a brilliant young Indian scientist who stayed back in India inspired by Chandrayaan could invent something equally world changing. For the small amount of money spent on ISRO ( its not even the amount collected as parking tickets in any big Indian city) the potential paybacks are huge. Its like being allowed to play the lottery but with tickets cost .001 cents and jackpots in the billions and with only 5 countries playing the game giving you a 20% chance of hitting the jackpot- you would be a fool to not play and instead donate the .001 cent to charity.

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    18. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by ghoul · · Score: 1

      I guess you couldnt understand my language. I do have a tendency to use long complicated sentences. What I said was govt should not use capital to generate jobs as any way govt gathers capital has a cost in jobs. This does not mean govt should not gather capital to use for basic science as the advancement of the tech base has a much larger multiplier effect than welfare (which has a zero multipler effect) and any jobs lost is worth the cost to advance the tech base. Of course if the USA would sell this tech and train our scientists in these technology it would cost even less but nationalist and chauvenestic lobbies like the guys who made their careers on non proliferation will not let basic science to be shared.

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    19. Re:more people in poverty than population of USA by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Oh, I understood you perfectly well. You went in a circle.

      I don't think you understand market dynamics, because you seem to be stuck in a frame of mind in which you think that "advancing the tech base" can somehow make the country economically sound with the more than 75% living in poverty hanging ball and chain from its ankles. It is not possible. It will not ever be possible. The only way out of the current situation for India is to engage as many people as possible, and generate as many jobs as possible, because the rewards of Indian technical innovation cannot feed 800 million impoverished people. You talk of encouraging the generation of jobs as "having a zero multiplier effect", which tells me that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. You're saying that the unemployed are just as productive for society as the employed.

      It's amusing how you're advocating the concept of a select few being responsible for the economic fate of the vast majority after deriding the former oppressive forces in earlier posts. You're advocating the repetition of the failures of history depsite obviously knowing about them.

  17. five stories below this one by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    is a story fretting about nasa funding shortfalls under the obama administration

    so the larger take home message is that yes, while the american space program is but a shadow of its former glory, the global space race is alive and well, with china with its space walks and india with its moon landings, rising in prominence. the eu, australia, japan, brazil... lots of nations are in the game, no longer is it a cold war chest thumping exercise between the ussr and the usa

    well, its still a tribal chest thumping exercise, but there are a lot more chest thumpers ;-)

    and you can fret that such a low brow motivation should fund such a high brow cause, but personally, i think in this case, the ends justify the means. with all of our problems we have in the world, its amazing we can get any space funding at all. and if we harness nationalistic pride to propel mankind into space, so be it. i don't care how we get there, as long as we get there. the higher and nobler causes can only be served by getting us into space

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  18. Shouldn't the story really say... by TheLevelHeadedOne · · Score: 1

    India/Chandrayaan has become only the fourth nation to STAGE a landing a probe on the Moon...

    Come on...you know that nothing has ever been on the moon but sunlight

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    1. Re:Shouldn't the story really say... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 0

      mod parent up as funny!

    2. Re:Shouldn't the story really say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shan't.

  19. Information vacuum by Jivecat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might be nice if they had bothered with an official web site that contained any decent, up-to-date information about the mission. The "News" section is basically just the home page with nothing timely, and the latest entry on the "Press Releases" page is four days old.

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    1. Re:Information vacuum by freedom_india · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ahhhh No.
      They are scientists. No social skills (my next door friend works there).
      Plus they are answerable only to the government. So their website is just for show.
      Greatly skilled, but zero show off or showing off to own countrymen.
      You would think they would have a museum or something, but no...their security actually drives you out if you even venture there.
      Most indians dont worry or give a damn about these things.
      We have more mundane things to worry about: The price of Gas has NOT come down from its rate of $3/- a gallon even when prices have declined worldwide. Our treasury guys say this is to recoup losses they had earlier!!!
      Excusseee me! Since when was government run with profit in mind.
      So in next 4 months we have elections where we plan to vote out these bastards and vote in some right wing nuts.
      BTW we repealed our PATRIOT ACT 3 years ago, These right wing nuts will bring it back which we don;t want.
       

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    2. Re:Information vacuum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Official press release: http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Nov14_2008.htm

    3. Re:Information vacuum by rite_m · · Score: 1
      I agree about the information vacuum, but there seems to be an official press release now: http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Nov14_2008.htm

      Also read BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7730157.stm

  20. Fun Fact by tobiah · · Score: 1

    The Chandrayaan Constitution was twittered!

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  21. probes are nations now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    <snark>

    "the ... probe ... has become only the fourth nation to land a probe..."

    </snark>

  22. Ah... here come the stertypical comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An Indian success story and the standards comments will be

    1. India is poor, why does it need to do this?
    2. cliche 7-11 jokes
    3. cliche call center jokes
    4. comment of quality of Indian programmers.
    5. comment on social problem completely irrelevant to the story.

    Seriously - why is it so hard to just appreciate somebody and say something that is actually relevant to the story?

    1. Re:Ah... here come the stertypical comments by PaneerParantha · · Score: 1

      "comment of quality of Indian programmers"
      6. Comment on quality of English of Indians.

      "Seriously - why is it so hard to just appreciate somebody and say something that is actually relevant to the story?"

      It's the second stage of: first, they ignore you, second they laugh at you, finally they fight you and you win.

    2. Re:Ah... here come the stertypical comments by the100rabh · · Score: 0

      jealous egoists can never do anything worthwhile...marked flamebait

    3. Re:Ah... here come the stertypical comments by argiedot · · Score: 1

      The answer should be obvious. Slashdot has a narrow selection of geeks, most of whom are into computers per se, rather than in other 'geeky' stuff. Hence, most stuff not related directly to computers results in stuff like this.

      Read the exoplanet story comments from a few days back, for instance.

  23. Mod parent Funny by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 1

    Wish I'd saved a mod point earlier.

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    1. Re:Mod parent Funny by CorporateSuit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wish I'd saved a mod point earlier.

      Apparently you weren't aware that this week is "Opposite Week" for karma.

      I get a -1 Troll for pointing out a +4 insightful post directed toward my -1 Offtopic Post was nothing but a personal flamebait attack, that was hypocritically also offtopic.

      Then later, I get a +4 Funny for a post about how my friend will be shanghai'd if he ever visits Turkey.

      So unless you're aware of the announcement that this week is crazy week, you might want to hold on to any mod points you have ;)

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  24. This calls for a celebration!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll have me a big, fat, juicy, steak!!!

  25. Typical of the mods. by DigitalReverend · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They want to talk about all the shiny neat new tech stuff, but they'll mod you down for pointing out that the money was a waste and could have been spent somewhere else. If I had the points, I would have modded you up.

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  26. Re:Thanks nice... by tejaskokje · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh $hit..while you were on phone for IT support, your home just got foreclosed

  27. Re:Thanks nice... by PaneerParantha · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good day Sir, this is Patrick only.
    What do you need IT support for?
    To start your foreclosure paperwork?

  28. A difficult job well done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go India!

  29. Litter by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    There they go littering up the Moon again. It's bad enough that it's a 'fur sure dust catcher, but now it's becoming everybody's waste receptacle as well. What is the rest of the galaxy to think of us?

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  30. Does this have anything to do with: by Toll_Free · · Score: 0, Troll

    The Indian Anal Probe?

    --Toll_Free

  31. Re:Thanks nice... by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    Excellent Dude!!! Great retort.

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  32. The first images.... by sas-dot · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are the first images from MIP.. Image 1 Image 2

    1. Re:The first images.... by slashdotlurker · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or does the dark region on the left side of the first image look like a footprint (albeit a colossal one) ?

    2. Re:The first images.... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or are those images in BMP format?

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    3. Re:The first images.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      That nothing compared to this image sent back by the British probe

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    4. Re:The first images.... by dave87656 · · Score: 1

      That's one small step for man, though.

    5. Re:The first images.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do those images render from the bottom up (in Firefox) because the probe was designed in the southern hemisphere? ;-)

    6. Re:The first images.... by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      afaict firefox renders image data as it receives it and the windows bitmap format puts the bottom of the file first.

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    7. Re:The first images.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes and yes.

      and using BMP images on the web is extremely no-no.

  33. Asstronauty! by shelterpaw · · Score: 1

    I've seen a few moons I wouldn't mind probing.

  34. Chandrayaan by kulakovich · · Score: 1

    doot doooooo doo-doo-doo.

  35. Re:Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The place used to be spelled "Trivandrum" when written in English, since no one can pronounce the other name- Not even Indians from outside Kerala.
    Malayalam is like many other Indo-European languages, you can join a couple of words together to get a new word. Thiru - means holy, Anantha - is infinite, is also a name in Indian myth, puram- place. So in all the name means "Holy Anantha's land" - it was so called because there is a big temple there .Britishers called it Trivandrum when it was capital of the Travancore (Thiruvithamcoor) dynasty .Now it is the capital of Kerala state and they decided to "keralize" the name again.

  36. ISRO Press Release + First images... by aqui · · Score: 1

    Found these... thought they might be of interest.

    ISRO Press Release
    http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Nov14_2008.htm

    Pictures fro Chandrayaan Moon Impact Probe
    http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/photos/moon_images.htm

    The Hindu Article (with diagrams of ISRO Chandrayaan probe)
    http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/15/stories/2008111550580100.htm

    I'd be curious to know how what percentage of their staff are PR guys (probably way less than NASA), rather than engineers etc...

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    ----- "Profanity is the one language that all programmers understand."
  37. To be celebrated,not trolled by tinker_taylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read a whole bunch of "wisecracks" and trolls about India and stereotypical bigoted comments about 7-11 and call centers, etc.

    It is sad that geeks such as some on Slashdot choose to try and divide and disrespect as opposed to integrate and celebrate what is surely a quantum leap in what technology and engineering has enabled India/mankind to do.

    When technology levels the playing ground, it becomes imperative for those whose hegemony is threatened change from their jingoism to a more mellifluous tune.

    1. Re:To be celebrated,not trolled by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      what is surely a quantum leap in what technology and engineering

      A quantum leap is actually a very small amount of movement.

      As for the rest of your comment, I feel that those making jokes about this are just fine. I don't find it denigrating or bigoted. I'm American, and I have to put up with the typical "Americans are all fat and stupid" stereotype. I find jokes about us entertaining. Grow a skin.

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    2. Re:To be celebrated,not trolled by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not so much referring to a "tiny" leap as it is referring to a "discontinuous" leap. I.e. the rate of change is infinite because it's not a continuous transition. The rapidity of change is what's being emphasized, not the distance traveled...

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    3. Re:To be celebrated,not trolled by tinker_taylor · · Score: 1

      what is surely a quantum leap in what technology and engineering

      A quantum leap is actually a very small amount of movement.

      As for the rest of your comment, I feel that those making jokes about this are just fine. I don't find it denigrating or bigoted. I'm American, and I have to put up with the typical "Americans are all fat and stupid" stereotype. I find jokes about us entertaining. Grow a skin.

      Quantum leap -- signifies radical jumps (I'd recommend reading some elementary quantum mechanics).

      As far as growing a skin goes -- the malice or the lack of it is evident from the posts. Those which are made in a good spirit are appreciated, those which are not are those that rankle.

      I don't see too many people on /. posting about "fat and stupid" americans...

    4. Re:To be celebrated,not trolled by aqk · · Score: 1

      YES!
      I too am in deep awe, and surely deplore the disrespect from those brothers and sisters of mankind (um, I mean "personkind") that would attempt to belittle some of our fellow kindred spirits!
        We must celebrate all of personkind's great achievements! No matter what their race, religion, creed, colour, or sexual orientation!
        Truly we must all come together!
      In the words of a great American seen recently on Youtube: "Why can't we all just get along?"

  38. Congrats by RJBeery · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an American I offer you and your country congratulations and welcome to the Moon Club! It is indeed a feat to be proud of.

    1. Re:Congrats by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Sorry, put a person there, bring them back alive is the minimum cover fee for a moon club.

      In the mean time - Congratulation to India, this was certainly a feat.

      I don't know which as the greater feat, getting this to the moon, or getting the governments will to focus on it.

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  39. A better source by The Hindu by iammani · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/15/stories/2008111550580100.htm would be a better source for the story.

  40. NEXT GENERATION SPACE PROPULSION/BUSINESS by CaptainChurch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  41. Re:Moon Base Dell Support Center... Or, upon by davidsyes · · Score: 0, Redundant

    landing on the Moon, they can "pull a columbus" and say, "****I**** discovered **YOU**" to the life forms.

    Until then, we may have to stick with Dell, or with "Welcome to McDonalds. May I take your order?" I'll be inclined to ask, "What crater are you located at?"...

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    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  42. Re:Landing? But, if you walk only 5 feet and drop by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    flat, that is NOT a good landing.... Even autogyrating helos with crash meshing under the seat might allow survival but, a bad enough one might impart damage to the spinal column, just slight enough to permit walking, and then WHAM! Turn/twist in the wrong number of degrees, or lift a too-heavy load for an instant...

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    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  43. To be delighted at, not somberly acknowledged by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I read a whole bunch of "wisecracks" and trolls about India and stereotypical bigoted comments about 7-11 and call centers, etc.

    It is sad that geeks such as some on Slashdot choose to try and divide and disrespect

    What's wrong with humor?

    This is a moment to be appreciated and savored, but like all powerful moments there is room for humor. Where you see division I only see making fun of stereotypes that are being shattered by this very story - in a way a kind of slow farewell to them.

    When we as a species have lost our ability for humor, or the ability to take a bit of ribbing and laugh at ourselves and others at times - well then bring in the cockroach masters, because are are hardly good for anything but foodstuff or powering giant computational engines with our body heat.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:To be delighted at, not somberly acknowledged by tinker_taylor · · Score: 1

      I read a whole bunch of "wisecracks" and trolls about India and stereotypical bigoted comments about 7-11 and call centers, etc.

      It is sad that geeks such as some on Slashdot choose to try and divide and disrespect

      What's wrong with humor?

      This is a moment to be appreciated and savored, but like all powerful moments there is room for humor. Where you see division I only see making fun of stereotypes that are being shattered by this very story - in a way a kind of slow farewell to them.

      When we as a species have lost our ability for humor, or the ability to take a bit of ribbing and laugh at ourselves and others at times - well then bring in the cockroach masters, because are are hardly good for anything but foodstuff or powering giant computational engines with our body heat.

      Humor is excellent. Just think the vein in which it is delivered is very important. Also, it is very imperative to understand that different cultural groups have very different ideas about what good humor is.

      For instance, a very typical American joke (ridiculing others) is not very funny and infact considered hurtful in places like India.

      However, the self-deprecating type of humor is appreciated.

      Bawdy jokes are universally loved, unless of course you are Amish.

      Jokes about Dubya are usually liked world-wide.

      Jokes about 7-11s and Manning callcenters aren't really that funny -- they drip of sarcasm and poorly veiled malice.

    2. Re:To be delighted at, not somberly acknowledged by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      For instance, a very typical American joke (ridiculing others) is not very funny and infact considered hurtful in places like India.

      The majority of humor is at someone's expense. That's why it's funny. We're just a little more upfront about it.

      Different strokes and all that.

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      The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    3. Re:To be delighted at, not somberly acknowledged by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      For instance, a very typical American joke (ridiculing others) is not very funny and infact considered hurtful in places like India.

      Which does not matter when an American posts at a global site like slashdot.

      If you are going to worry about someone taking offense at everything, you might as well not write.

      And for the record I have a number of friends from India (born and raised there with green cards) that would laugh at those jokes as much as anyone.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    4. Re:To be delighted at, not somberly acknowledged by tinker_taylor · · Score: 1

      For instance, a very typical American joke (ridiculing others) is not very funny and infact considered hurtful in places like India.

      The majority of humor is at someone's expense. That's why it's funny. We're just a little more upfront about it.

      Different strokes and all that.

      Indeed...different strokes and all. But that is a poor state of humor then...if it needs to ridicule others. Humor can be a very subtle and elegant thing...doesn't have to become crass. ;)

  44. 77 million usd by nitpickers · · Score: 1

    77 million usd is all this program cost India. Many a dot com companies get purchased for more money than that... Proud to be an Indian...

  45. Re:Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapu by junglee_iitk · · Score: 1

    The place used to be spelled "Trivandrum" when written in English, since no one can pronounce the other name- Not even Indians from outside Kerala.

    WHAT? Where did you get that bit? Anyone who can read any indic script can read it perfectly. Latin characters though...

  46. parent is funny by spazdor · · Score: 1

    The probe's population is entirely microbial, mods.

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    DRM: Terminator crops for your mind!
    1. Re:parent is funny by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      I probably should have said "they didn't wash the probe before launching." Dirty equipment is one thing. Dirty hands apparently is either insulting or racism.

      The whole thing makes me chuckle. Subtlety has ruined the joke. I wash my hands of all of it.

  47. Outsourced? by sjdude · · Score: 1

    I wonder if any of the probe's development was outsourced?

  48. German words by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    German, a legacy language of Europe, has that 'long-word' syndrome. As if they had to pay extra for spaces. And, Holymuddafugginchrist, they have some reallylonggoddamnwords in German.

  49. note: by spazdor · · Score: 1

    _Sprocket_ used the idiom "[to] wash one's hands of it", which is a double meaning because we were already discussing the process of hand-washing.

    Just so there's no confusion.

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    DRM: Terminator crops for your mind!
  50. Re:Can we finally... Well, no! by aqk · · Score: 1

    Helloo! Haven't you figured it out yet? Where have you been?

    China and India are PART of the conspiracy.

     

  51. Re:To be celebrated, and slowly answered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I too agree!

    But I would just like to know why, that when I now call my Dell Support person, there is now a 2.5 second delay in replies.
        And... and I am in INDIA! ....

  52. Chandrayaan-II by shreedhar · · Score: 1

    It seems ISRO is going to send a rover next to the moon in 2012 on the Chandrayaan-II probe.

    IMHO, ISRO should conduct something like the Lunar X-Prize, where independent groups can build their own rovers loaded with instruments.
    Not that ISRO lacks the required expertise ('course) but such a competition would generate considerable interest among students in the whole nation and rope in more participation from Indian Universities. USA's DARPA Grand Challenge is an excellent example.
    I really hope the aims for Chandrayaan-II are very high, so that the Indian tech industry will have to work very hard to accomplish them all. Besides one doesn't send a rover to another celestial body quite often. So this rover should be really high tech! :-)

  53. Re:Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre of Thiruvananthapu by protobion · · Score: 1

    Its not really that hard - it's pronounced

    Tee-Ru-Va-Nun-Ta-Poo-Rum (the T's are soft, just like the Spanish T)

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  54. Talk about OUTsourcing... by iphoneenvy · · Score: 1

    Given the population density issues facing India, It looks like they are probably moving forward with plans to colonize the moon first. From that point forward all of your Support Center calls will be answered by moon people.