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FCC Commissioner Lauds DRM, ISP Filtering

snydeq writes "Ars Technica's Nate Anderson and InfoWorld's Paul Venezia provide worthwhile commentary on a recent speech by FCC Commissioner Deborah Taylor Tate (PDF), in which she praised DRM as 'very effective' and raised a flag in favor of ISP filtering. Anderson: 'Having commissioners who feel that the government has a duty to partner with and back educational classroom content from the RIAA; who really believe that ISP filtering is so unproblematic we can stop considering objections; and who think that universities worry about file-swapping because tuition might be raised to pay for the needed "expansion of storage capabilities" (huh?) isn't good for the FCC and isn't good for America.' Venezia: 'Leave the ISPs out of it — it's not their job to protect a failing business model, and a movement toward a tiered and filtered Internet will do nothing to stem the tide of piracy, but will result in great restrictions on innovation, freedoms, and the general use of the Internet. There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies.'"

217 comments

  1. Her email address by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Informative

    dtaylortateweb@fcc.gov

    1. Re:Her email address by Killer+Orca · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone who is going to email her should also do so before she leaves in '09, not after.

    2. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't clog her intertubes.. without regular RIAA press releases, how else will she know what to say?

    3. Re:Her email address by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Any idea about the stance of her probable replacement?

    4. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I can just fight the urge to abuse proxied SMTP nodes to anonymously send her the above troll's story 600 times...

    5. Re:Her email address by renegadesx · · Score: 1, Funny

      I heard they were eyeing Ted Stevens

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    6. Re:Her email address by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any idea about the stance of her probable replacement?

      Depends on if that replacement is appointed before or after January 20th ;)

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    7. Re:Her email address by Afforess · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wrote her an email. Thanks for the address. It follows, verbatim: "Dear Deborah Taylor Tate, I recently became aware of your support of DRM (Digital Rights Management) and ISP (Internet Service Provider) filtering. I am deeply disappointed in your decision and will factor your policies choices, among other things, in with my vote in the next national election. In any case, I urge you to drop your support of DRM and ISP filtering because of the numerous economic and constitutional issues they raise. ISP filtering is akin to having the USPS read all of your mail before delivering it to you, "For national security purposes." Is that really necessary? Is the average American guilty until proven innocent? DRM is a sneaky way of saying "Ha, I lied, you only rented that movie, you don't really own that copy." When they decide that not enough people care about the product (This decision is completely arbitrary, by the way), they end DRM support. This has happened time and time again, and one merely has to look as far as Wikipedia for numerous examples. Although, on a more positive note, I am glad that you at least make decisions at all, and don't equivocate, like some politicians we know. A discontented American Citizen, Cameron McAvoy."

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    8. Re:Her email address by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      So Michele Obama is baking him a cake with a file in it then?

    9. Re:Her email address by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I recommend sending pictures of the goatse guy instead, along with some text along the lines of 'this is exactly how your speech made us feel...'

    10. Re:Her email address by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Informative

      She wasn't elected. She was appointed. :-(

    11. Re:Her email address by Afforess · · Score: 1, Informative

      So? I will still factor in that some idiot appointed (G. W.) her.

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    12. Re:Her email address by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Great, because after reading the tags on the story, I am /positive/ that she'll get plenty of insightful, well-thought-out email from the slashdot crowd.

    13. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      they end DRM support. This has happened time and time again, and one merely has to look as far as Wikipedia for numerous examples.

      FYI, if you're going to make a statement like that, either provide a link to the wikipedia page you are talking about, or better yet, cite the specific cases you are referring to.

      Either way, the person you are writing to (or their staff) can do further research.
      In the real world, you actually have to use facts to support an argument.

    14. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I compromised, I still signed her for mailing lists, but it was all insightful mailing lists (defective by design, ACLU newsletter) instead of porn and v14gra offers.

    15. Re:Her email address by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hey c'mon, that's not fair...

      everyone knows Deborah Tate gets at least some of her talking points from Clear Channel.

      Tate (Clear Channel) on the XM/Sirius merger:

      Such a gross ownership disparity creates such a lopsided competitive advantage for a single company that it utterly distorts the marketplace.

      Tate (Clear Channel) on expanding their network of more than 1200 terrestrial radio stations:

      the FCC should be focusing its attention on how to ensure the continued vitality of free radio by moving forward on its review of reasonable relaxation of the local ownership rules.

      Translation:
      satellite radio monopoly = bad!
      terrestrial radio monopoly = good!

    16. Re:Her email address by Linker3000 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Bent over, facing away from the line of *AA representatives queuing behind?

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    17. Re:Her email address by me+at+werk · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Her reply:

      "Wikipedia? Didn't they blacklist that site in the UK for having a naked girl on it? We need to blacklist that filthy perverted site here in America too, thanks for reminding me!"

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    18. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "She was sworn in as FCC Commissioner on January 3, 2006, and renominated by President Bush for a full 5-year term on June 20, 2007" http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/tate/

      So why would she leave in 09?

    19. Re:Her email address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck on your next flight, citizen! May I suggest you get to the airport a few hours earlier than usual

    20. Re:Her email address by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's mine.

      I am writing you in response to your recent speech which you erroneously claim DRM is "very effective" and hail ISP filtering as a good thing.

      First of all, DRM does not work and never will. In fact it reduces the quality of works and punishes only legitimate buyers.

      See the recent PC game, Spore for example. It contains one of the most vicious, obnoxious and reprehensible forms of DRM on the market. Hundreds of legitimate users have experienced problems with it. The interesting part? It's the most downloaded (illegally) game of 2008 and it was only released in September. So not only did the DRM completely and utterly fail to prevent illegal copies, it punished legitimate users exclusively. And that's the most DRM will ever accomplish.

      As for ISP filtering of the internet, I cannot possibly conceive of how you think this is possible, let alone wise. History is full of censorship attempts that blocked harmless things by accident, while still allowing unbelievably bad content through. One only needs to think about it for a few moments to realize how futile it is. Can one organization think of, document, and block every possible permutation of every possible objectionable thing that six billion people can come up with? Absolutely not! It's completely absurd to even think it's possible. And what do you get in return for this inaccurate, false positive ridden half-measure? Slowdown of internet traffic from 10% to 80%.

      In short, neither DRM nor ISP censorship can ever be effective. DRM exists only to prop up dying business models that didn't evolve with the rest of society. ISP filtering only exists so that politic ans can say they're doing something "for the children" to get elected. I actually am doing something for the children. I'm writing an uninformed, un-elected ignorant human being in a position of power to let them know that they're wrong. In defense of the digital content and information on the internet that they'll hopefully be able to access with no restrictions when they need it. It's the responsibility of parents to supervise what their children see on TV and the internet, I see it as my responsibility to preserve the fully functional, uncensored, high speed internet for them to use.

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    21. Re:Her email address by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      The cake is a lie, it would clog the tubes so it would take people longer to send an internet to their loved ones for christmas!

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  2. DRM is effective by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pshyeah, tell that to the pirate bay!

    1. Re:DRM is effective by cavefrog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, at least this type of DRM is effective. As for the other type, she couldn't be more wrong.

    2. Re:DRM is effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they can't stop us from recording a high-quality video/recording of the media being played using a high-def video camera/mic (except for games). As long as they can't stop us from humanly viewing it, it can still (although crudely) get distributed, just to make a point if necessary.

    3. Re:DRM is effective by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:DRM is effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... about as effective as when someone line rips something.

  3. amen! by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

    Leave the ISPs out of it â" it's not their job to protect a failing business model

    Yeah... and congress doesn't like the competition.

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  4. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Former FCC Commissioner Deborah Taylor Tate has announced she is retiring in 2009 and is looking forward to serving on the board of the RIAA as their new "Token Ex-Government Paid Mouthpiece" Director.

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Deborah Taylor Tate is pants.

    2. Re:In other news... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Former FCC Commissioner Deborah Taylor Tate has announced she is retiring in 2009 and is looking forward to giving her full attention to giving blowjobs to RIAA executives, and apologizes for having divided her time between being a corporate shill and cashing her government paycheque.

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  5. English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bonus points for anyone who can translate that to English.

    1. Re:English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to post it, but due to the extreme repetitiveness of the onomatopoeias produced when performing fellatio, it trips the lameness filter.

  6. Hitting the Nail Headwise by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies."

    That's precisely the reason the government would back it. Governments have created corporations and have conducted wars for exactly that reason.

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    1. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by xlotlu · · Score: 3, Funny
      Let me fix that:

      "...There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies."

      That's precisely the reason the government would back it. Corporations have created governments and have conducted wars for exactly that reason.

    2. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've really come to believe that some of this is an ideological problem. Some people seem to believe the rich people and successful businesses, by being successful, have shown themselves to be smarter and to have better judgment than the rest of us. "After all", they think, "If I were smart enough to make massive amounts of money, I would!"

      For as long as the wealthy are doing well, the people who think this way also think that, ideally, we should hope that the rich get richer. Since the wealthy are so smart and have such great judgment when it comes to financial matters, they're best equipped to manage money. Society will be most benefited by having as much money as possible concentrated in the hands of the greatest financial geniuses.

      And then when the wealthy start to fail, they think, "Well these people are the best of the best. If the smartest people with the best judgement are failing, then it must mean that the system has been broken by someone. We need to fix this! Whoever is ruining things, we should stop them!"

      I may be stating the obvious, but I've only recently discovered that this is how some people think. Crazy, huh?

    3. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      You just scared the shit out of me.....

    4. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by TechForensics · · Score: 1

      "...There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies."

      That's precisely the reason the government would back it. Governments have created corporations and have conducted wars for exactly that reason.

      I completely agree. Consider the role of the zaibatsu (Japanese conglomerates) in pressuring Hiro Hito into WWII. Or more recently, American special interests in pressuring Dubya (via Cheney) into Iraq.

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    5. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by TechForensics · · Score: 1

      For as long as the wealthy are doing well, the people who think this way also think that, ideally, we should hope that the rich get richer. Since the wealthy are so smart and have such great judgment when it comes to financial matters, they're best equipped to manage money. Society will be most benefited by having as much money as possible concentrated in the hands of the greatest financial geniuses.

      This is a perfect paradigm for Wall Street, whose assurance in what it did was topped only by its ignorance of what it was wise to do. The public was so sure of Wall Street's greater wisdom that it made two cardinal mistakes: Allowing the big investment banks to go public so that they could invest risking other people's money; and suffering the deregulation of an industry on which its entire fiscal stability was based. After Enron, did no one look for similar risks in the principal investment banks? Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, Shearson Lehman, Goldman Sachs, Salomon Brothers and the like, as we knew them, may have gone belly up, but their destructive legacy will not soon be forgotten.

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    6. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not crazy at all, I think (in part) in that way and I'm not crazy.

      There is intelligent people(I knew some) out there that make money because they had made a contribution to society, and they deserve it. People that have sacrificed and risk a lot of their lives for making their dreams come true(startups), and one day their work paid off.

      This doesn't mean that every rich person has contributed, obviously not. In particular today rich CEOs don't create wealth, they take it from stakeholders. Same with politics, they decide when all's money is going to be spend and some of them steal part of it.

      The world is not blank and white, there are greys too.

      There is people out there so envious and with so much hate about rich people that they think "every rich person doesn't deserve it", and that is as wrong as thinking the contrary. But they are so blind because their emotions don't let them to reason.

    7. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ShhhhHHHhHHhhHHhHH! McCarthy's going to come back from the dead and haunt you for violations of the Approved Thought List!

    8. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by theaveng · · Score: 1

      Most people thought Enron was a criminal enterprise, and the exception not the rule.

      It turns-out that almost all the corporations were criminal enterprises. They were not as bad as Enron, but they still participated in deceitful tactics like lying on mortgage applications (doubling people's income for example) in order to get the loan pushed through, and thereby walk home with a big fat commission check.

      And now we're all paying the price for the salepersons' deceitful greed. This is why I don't think they should have received a bailout; save 2 or 3 crucial banks and let the rest fail. Clean-out the marketplace.

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    9. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Most executives, hedge fund managers, et al are smarter than most blue collar boors. That's a simple function of education matched with the positive side of the bell curve of human capacity. The key is not to conflate 'intelligent' with 'principled'.

      I would also have to say from where I sit that credit is a systemic social problem that has befallen all of humanity. Credit virtually didn't exist a century ago relative to today's activity. Now virtually every person, every company, every organization, and every government on the face of the earth owes something to somebody else. In a society where instant gratification has been made logistically real for almost everything, the financial model of credit for everybody for any use has found fertile ground in the hearts and minds of practically everybody at every level. Today's financial crisis is literally a domino effect of failures of individual planning and foresight at the bottom, ethics in the middle, and planning and foresight again at the top (and probably ethics as well). If anything it proves that executives and their ilk are human, but it doesn't show them to be any more stupid than all the blue collar boors at the bottom who have lived beyond their means on credit and then can't pay their bills because they haven't planned for any contingencies.

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    10. Re:Hitting the Nail Headwise by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      It will likely be a long time before anything that deals with the interaction of independent and (sometimes) rational beings will ever reach the level of science. (Psychohistory?) Social Darwinism should be looked at as a philosophical extension of the observable principles of a Darwinian view of natural selection. As a simple abstraction, it's hard to cogently argue that adaptability isn't an important factor in the success and survival of both individuals and groups in humanity. Further, the secular altruism is little more than a reassignment of religious altruism to the organization of the state instead of the church. Altruism itself is anti-rational, which isn't to say that generosity isn't still a virtue, simply because humans aren't computers. A person must get more out of life than an algorithm that emphasizes gain and minimizes loss. However to take the decision of charity away from the individual, whether by the mechanism of the church or the state, is the problem.

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  7. I need to get out of here. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are people allowed to settle on Antartica?

    1. Re:I need to get out of here. by autocracy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Who would stop you?

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    2. Re:I need to get out of here. by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      Whales of course...

    3. Re:I need to get out of here. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Informative

      These people. (Map)

      On the bright side, Peter I Island and Marie Byrd Land seem untaken (although there is probably a reason for that).

    4. Re:I need to get out of here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuke 'em.

    5. Re:I need to get out of here. by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I still favor a geek colony on Mars.

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    6. Re:I need to get out of here. by Miseph · · Score: 1

      especially the fetal gay ones, it's what Jesus wants.

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    7. Re:I need to get out of here. by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Oh shit. What that taught me is that i should go to the south pacific ocean side of anartica. No one has even laid claim? I should claim like a 200x200m area and hope no government will bother challenging me over it for at least 100years.

    8. Re:I need to get out of here. by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Also, the british claim is hilarious, argentinas is clearly way too big. And Norway??? Do they think they should get it because maybe people will forget what pole they are from and be like suuure you can have it you guys already have lots of warm clothes. Personally I think they should dice the thing up by land mass globally and give every country a slice. Then we could do that cheesy thing where every country in the world is holding hands in a big ass circle.

      http://www.more4kids.info/uploads/Image/oct07/children-holding-hands-sm.jpg
        I'm sure it'd be very 1990s cartoon.

    9. Re:I need to get out of here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'd suggest investing in a blanket before making the voyage, also, igloo building classes might be useful, you might have to take that class at the north pole, but i think the credits will transfer.

      also, succeed, as it's shared by all countries, form your own country and you can then claim ownership over part of it.

    10. Re:I need to get out of here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when we do, can we have our own internet? With blackjack, and hookers?

    11. Re:I need to get out of here. by 54mc · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised the US hasn't liberated any of this yet.

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  8. It's almost as if by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're entering some sort of technological dark ages - the honeymoon period is now over.

    The mainstream regulation committees have taken interest in these type of subjects and as usual, the ignorance/commercial interests is/are beginning to shine through.

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    1. Re:It's almost as if by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      We're entering some sort of technological dark ages - the honeymoon period is now over.

      The mainstream regulation committees have taken interest in these type of subjects and as usual, the ignorance/commercial interests is/are beginning to shine through.

      Nah, not really. Those self same interests have been shining bright for over a decade.

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    2. Re:It's almost as if by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you'd have to agree that they've been getting more and more audacious with their nonsense as the years have progressed. It is getting worse. We are regressing. (Australian Resident speaking here)

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    3. Re:It's almost as if by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Just means we gotta fight harder.

      For once, they're on our playing field. They could deploy 10,000 servers to filter out the Internet, and all it takes is one bored college kid to find a way to circumvent those servers.

      This is not a game of numbers or money but brains - an area the government is decidedly lacking.

    4. Re:It's almost as if by Threni · · Score: 1

      If you ask people what the business of TV stations is, they'll probably say something like `broadcasting good programs`, but the answer is actually `selling advertising`. In the same way, the point of these pointless rules about piracy, porn, drugs etc isn't to stop piracy, porn, or drugs - it's to look as if you're doing something about it, possibly as part of a greater set of rules (ie rules favourable to this or that religion, lobbying group etc).

      Anyone circumventing these restrictions will be described as a hacker or something, whereas the rest of us have, officially at least, been stopped from accessing filth on line. It doesn't really matter for the purposes of the politians how successful that blocking is.

  9. Re:wish for bush now? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Don't feed the troll.

  10. Has he seen how successful it's been in Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in .au the government is scaling back it's plans for filtering due to being laughed at by anyone who knows anything about the internet.

    In a recent call for ISPs to participate in live tests of their system the biggest ISP here said no, it's stupid. The second biggest said OK, but we won't block all that you want us to, and the third biggest said we'll participate fully just to show you how dumb you're being.

    It seems that the point was finally driven home and now the government is trying to back down without losing face.

  11. Re:wish for bush now? by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Funny

    But he speaks the truth, the actions of one of President Bush's appointees is the ultimate damning evidence of Obama's lack of enpivbtenment!

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  12. Why not? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone here seriously expect otherwise? I mean this as a serious question. Aside from blind optimism, why would you expect anything else from the people at the top of the "stakeholder" food chain.

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    1. Re:Why not? by cromar · · Score: 1

      I want to stay informed. There's some leeway here and if we keep making enough noise we may eventually get our way and have competent technology leadership in the government. Plus, when people start to see how poorly the prevailing corporate ideas of the IP goons are going to work out (think worse case scenario 10 years from now), we can say "We told you so." (Seriously though if people see why the current IP system is ridiculous there will be a body of discussion waiting to educate those who want to read it.)

  13. To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    DRM is very good at what it does: preventing us from using our legitimately purchased items.

    1. Re:To be fair... by Technician · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is almost correct;

      For those who have had problems with their purchases, the correct phrase is;
      DRM is very good at what it does: preventing us from purchasing items.

      I stick to open formats. Sell in a closed locked propritory format = no sale.

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    2. Re:To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say it's "very good" at it. It does a mediocre job, at best.

  14. Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by ishmalius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe with the new administration it could be a rule that an FCC employee who is involved in regulation cannot work for a telecommunications company or one of their contractors or agents, for 10 years prior, or 10 years after employment.

    It's reaching, I know, but it's a dream I have. Real honesty, and no more corporate ass-kissing.

    The CTIA and their minions have a special place in Hell.

    1. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by syzler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you want people who know nothing about the internal workings of the Internet to decide whether or not to regulate parts of the internet? How exactly does this help the US people? My experience from working at an ISP/Telecommunications company is that the actual engineer types usually are against regulations, filtering, DRM, etc; and it is the bean MBA types that push this type of thing down our throats. By forbidding the engineering types from working for the FCC until their knowledge is horribly out of date, you would be effectively making the FCC rely on outside "expert" witnesses put forth by the MBA types of the companies with agendas.

    2. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by ishmalius · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds good, but from what I can see, that never happens. Only the political lawyer/MBA scum seem to be involved.

    3. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by Zerth · · Score: 1

      So you want people who know nothing about the internal workings of the Internet to decide whether or not to regulate parts of the internet? /blockquote

      Doesn't that describe the FCC/Congress already? At least now they won't get paid extra for their ignorance.

    4. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      I think 10 years is too much, for the same reason that I think non-competes need to be restricted; you shouldn't be able to ban somebody from working in an industry forever, just because they worked for one entity in the industry. But I can see two to three years easily.

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    5. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Assuming the FCC is similar to the ACMA in Australia, it regulates things like radio spectrum use. Preventing an entire industry's contingent of RF engineers from being involved in the preparation of such regulations would not be such a clever move.

    6. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? There are tons of people here on slashdot who have never worked for an ISP and know EXACTLY how the internet works!!! ;)

    7. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need rules like that, as long as you vote for people of integrity (who will appoint people of integrity) instead of voting for Republicrats.

      But we don't. We choose corruption, and we get what we ask for, every time. We could change it all in a single election, but we opt not to.

    8. Re:Maybe another K-Street restriction needed by Net_fiend · · Score: 1

      What are you babbling about? Both the left and the right are reprehensible no matter how you go about it. At this point its choosing the lesser evil or trying to push for a 3rd person. And that means educating the morons of this country which will never happen.

      As much as I feel for the guys that know how to weld or bolt something to a car...if the auto industry were to say go bankrupt you think they would be able to get a job some place else? Welding maybe, but the other mundane monkey tasks done wouldn't imo. Granted I suppose this doesn't equate to intelligence, but still the idea is there isn't it?

      The problem is we have too many sheep in this country who believe only the crap they see on TV. The crap on TV is of course produced by the fat cats and the fat cats are told what to air. This may not always be the case but I'm fairly sure it happens more than we think.

      If we're really that concerned why don't more of us here try to run for office? We can only complain so much before we have to take action rather than mouthing off. Currently I'm in no position to do anything of the sort, but would love to run for an office. However, I have a feeling anyone that is even the slightest bit moral/ethical in what they do would ever last long in Congress. Too much power has been given to the Federal Government over time. We need to go back to states rights, etc. But that will never happen. Even going back in time to the original 13 Presidents there are some less known stories that would surprise us all about how things operated. Not as hunky dory as you think. :\ Wish it was different. Too much greed and corruption, sadly this will not change.

      I watched a documentary with Michio Kaku on youtube and History Science or whatever they call it now. He stated something along the lines of its very possible to gain technological advances in the next 100yrs that would allow us to get to Mars faster, etc. (ie moving towards a Level 1 Civilization). However we're likely to be attacked by terrorists or go to war because the process requires everyone to more or less get along to accomplish these tasks.

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  15. Re:wish for bush now? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    ...the ultimate damning evidence of Obama's lack of enpivbtenment!

    Hey! Wait a minute! Obama has always been enpivbtened!

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  16. Oh FFS! by cailith1970 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't YOU lot start on internet filtering now, we're only just managing to slow the push for this here in Oz! If there's a push for it in the US, then our esteemed, clueless leader is going to say that there is more evidence it should be implemented here!

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  17. Simple solution. by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But kinda of hard to swallow.

    Simply stop giving the people that back this shit your money. Put your money where your mouth is.

    Before I purchase any product, I look it up on the web and see if it has DRM, if it does, I don't purchase it. When my ISP starts filtering my connection(throttling is one thing, censorship is something entirely different), I will disconnect. When I cannot look up DRM on products because I no longer use the Internet, I'll just have to assume its there.

    Why pay for it when it doesn't work anymore?

    1. Re:Simple solution. by symbolic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's pretty much it. When you remove the means of sustenance (money), it will eventually die.

    2. Re:Simple solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Tell that to the American car manufacturers, who didn't understand that the Americans didn't want big, gas-guzzling SUVs and are still wanting our money, however they have to get it.

    3. Re:Simple solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't that they still want our money. The problem is that they're still getting it.

    4. Re:Simple solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. We overwhelmingly voted for the people who favor giving the car manufacturers money. If you don't like it, start voting for their opponents.

    5. Re:Simple solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply stop giving the people that back this shit your money. Put your money where your mouth is.

      Nice try, but those people will then blame their loss of revenue on piracy. Congress will then bail them out, and I'll end up paying for it anyway through my taxes. If I buy it, at least I have a (possibly) working copy.

    6. Re:Simple solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad that will have zero affect ... unless you get a few hundred thousand people to follow it, then you _might_ make a difference. Keyword, might.

  18. Perhaps another meme from the Reagan era by smchris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember, managers don't have to know anything about their field; they just need to know "management stuff".

  19. National Bailout by iVasto · · Score: 5, Funny

    In recent news, the RIAA has appealed to congress for a national bailout. Congress realizes that they have a failing business model, but believe that if the industry was given a "couple" billion dollars everything would change.

    1. Re:National Bailout by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      No, wrong, bad. The companies are not the industry. If these companies fail due to an industry paradigm shift, tough shit; leave it, new companies will capitalize on the new business model. Tell congress to shoot itself in the balls.

    2. Re:National Bailout by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Giving the RIAA a bailout would be more like giving a union money rather than giving a business or industry money.

    3. Re:National Bailout by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Congress realizes that they have a failing business model

      They who---Congress or the RIAA? ;)

  20. Waiting to be enpivbtened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    > But he speaks the truth, the actions of one of President Bush's appointees is the ultimate damning evidence of Obama's lack of enpivbtenment!

    Indeed. It's a clbuttic case. I can only buttume we will soon insbreastute an internet filtering program that rivals the Australians.

  21. The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have had the unfortunate need to try to contact the friendly FCC lately, due to unwanted phone calls (they are the communications commission, after all). I can tell you that they are every bit as frustrating to work with as the DMV, minus the efficiency and courteous service.

    Though the most frustrating aspect of the FCC, from my vantage point, is their lack of concern for accountability of phone customers. If you compare phone registration to domain name registration, you'll find that phone registration has all the built-in obfuscation that computer spammers have dreamed about. Toll-free numbers, in particular, have protected identity information.

    If you get a call from a toll-free number, you have no good mechanism to determine the owner of the number. There is no central whois-like registry for this number, and the companies that sell the numbers are under no obligation to share information on who is using the numbers they sell.

    Want to lodge a complaint with the FCC? Fill out their automated form, and you'll see an automated response later. It won't likely address your complaint. And if you call their own number (888-call-fcc), you'll wait for some time and then receive no help.

    Frankly, KMart is a shining example of customer service in contrast to the FCC.

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    1. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      I had a similar situation recently with spam text messages on my cell. From everything I could find, it appeared the messages were the sort the FC would deal with, but a week or two later I got a form letter saying after investigating they don't think this was the sort of matter they would handle. That's all. No explanation of why this wasn't something they handle when all the info I could find on their site says people you have no prior business relationship with can't send you spam text messages, just like they can't send you spam faxes (because it shifts costs on to you). I don't text people, so my plan doesn't cover any of them for free, therefor each one costs me a little bit and I don't need pr0n on my phone, thank you very much.

    2. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by compro01 · · Score: 1

      You'd likely do better to complain to the FTC about unwanted calls. The US do-not-call registry is also run by the FTC, rather than the FCC, for whatever reason.

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    3. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't text people

      Obviously it doesn't solve the underlying problem, but try calling up your phone company and telling them to disable text messages for your account. I did (along with disabling Internet), and it worked out great. (Besides, what kind of idiot wants to sit there typing out a message when he inherently has the ability to just call the person anyway?!)

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    4. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      You'd likely do better to complain to the FTC about unwanted calls

      The problem with that strategy is that the FTC has no jurisdiction over the sale of toll-free number service. So even with the do-not-call list under FTC control, they can't do much to actually determine who is behind a number.

      And with phone scammers taking advantage of the complete lack of oversight on the toll-free system, it is useless to use the do-not-call list to get someone to stop calling. Currently that person will just get a new toll-free number and the game starts all over again.

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    5. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by he-sk · · Score: 1

      A few reasons:

      1. Texting may be cheaper than a call.
      2. Texting makes no noise (think movie theater).
      3. Texting is asynchronous, so the other person can reply at his/her leisure.

      The real question is: Why would somebody pay for a cell phone plan that charges for *received* text messages? Only in the US!

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    6. Re:The FCC is another out-of-touch bureau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Besides, what kind of idiot wants to sit there typing out a message when he inherently has the ability to just call the person anyway?!)

      1. The person may not be in a position to answer.
      2. I may simply want to convey info, like a meeting time or place, a phone #, etc. That does not need a reply. It also saves them the trouble of writing it down.
      3. The person may be out of cell coverage or in a spotty coverage area. It is much easier to get a short text through to someone with very low signal than to try & talk to them. For example I spent 20 minutes trying to give someone a street address, but due to the voice breakup & call dropping just couldn't get it through, so I sent a text.. it took 2 tries & 30 seconds to complete.
      4. I can send a text message to multiple people at one time.
      5. I can use my email to send text messages to people, even if I don't have a phone (or am at work, etc.)
      6. I get unlimited (read: FREE) texting, all day, all night, etc... minutes are not free for me in most cases.
      7. Try sending someone a picture or audio file by talking to them on the phone.
      8. I can store hundreds of text messages, but my voicemail only can handle a limited number of messages or talk time.
      9. I can forward a text message.
      10. I have a record of the text message.
      11. Maybe I need to communicate with someone I don't WANT to talk to, or someone who will turn a simple "Hi, I'll stop by in 15 minutes" conversation into an hour-long discussion.

      Those are just some reasons off the top of my head. But please, tell me more about how I'm an idiot.

  22. Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From her speech: "Overall, the U.S. economy lost $58 billion in output that would have been realized if piracy had not occurred. In addition, the U.S. lost 373,375 jobs due to piracy, and federal and state governments lose $2.6 billion annually through unrealized tax revenue."

    That is total BS. Piracy != losses; most (or at least many) people who pirate would not otherwise purchase the product. She needs to go take Economics 101 and realize that if you make something free (which is what piracy does), the demand is going to skyrocket beyond what it would normally be at any reasonable price level.

    Statements like this are dangerous because if people really believe piracy caused $58 billion of damage to the economy, then they will be willing to spend similar sums of money in order to combat piracy.

    In fact, maybe she realizes that this is total FUD, and just wants to justify an exorbitant budget for her department in order to "combat piracy."

    As I said: where's an economist when you need one?

    1. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If the numbers are true, the industry should be willing to plop down $20 or $30 billion to stop piracy. They'd get their money back with interest according to my calculations.

    2. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She needs to go take Economics 101 and realize that if you make something free (which is what piracy does), the demand is going to skyrocket beyond what it would normally be at any reasonable price level.

      You might consider a visit there yourself. It's ignorant to say that piracy != losses. Of course it equals losses. You'd have to be fucking daft to think that -noone- who pirates would not have bought the material, had piracy not been available. Some of the users would have bought the material, some wouldn't have. In econ 101, you'd learn about a demand curve, whereby more people want a good at a lower price than a higher price, but the curves are generally found to be smooth, with a slope between 0 and 1.

      What econ 101 teaches you is that a realistic estimate of the losses does not equal the retail price times the number of pirated copies.

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    3. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Combat piracy? Maybe the pirates just need to fight back?

      Grab those pirate hats and eyepatches and protest outside of her office! :)

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    4. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Bastiandantilus · · Score: 1

      Not a coder? piracy != losses because piracy losses. It sure isn't equal, sure as hell isn't equal dollar of product pirated to dollar of loss. Also, you have an econ fail there: free gray market goods have nothing to do with the demand curve, that's called 1) market failure and in your case 2) slashdot failure.

    5. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by amirulbahr · · Score: 1

      What econ 101 teaches you is that a realistic estimate of the losses does not equal the retail price times the number of pirated copies.

      You'd have to be daft to not realise that that is not what he meant by:

      Piracy != losses; most (or at least many) people who pirate would not otherwise purchase the product.

    6. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by nobodymk2 · · Score: 1

      Not if people use piracy in order to fully preview the material they are getting. keep in mind the RIAA could care less about the internet or computer programmers.

    7. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by nobodymk2 · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to graph RIAA net profits from 1990-today (down) along with Piracy (up) and DRM controls (up). They are losing both authors and customers and sell the same stupid music in high-def (even though it was never recorded in any remotely high-fidelity format and there is no HD standard).

    8. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Alright, that's true, technically I should have said piracy != the amount of losses that they are reporting. I didn't edit enough before posting (it is just /. after all). My point still stands, though. And the people quoting those bloated losses are professionals -- I'm just an undergraduate!

    9. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piracy sure as fuck does not equal losses, as their piracy figures exceed the size of the entire god damn industry by an order of magnitude.

    10. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by zxnos · · Score: 1

      lets see if i follow this.

      1. someone does not desire a product
      2. product becomes free
      3. product is now desired

      if i dont desire a new blender, i wont take one just because it is free. same with music or software. if i dont want something, even if it is free, i am not going to listen to a tune or play a game.

      it really comes down to price point. digital things are harder for people to rationalize since you don't have a great big hunk of stuff hanging on your wall after you drop a bunch of cash for photoshop.

      i am an architect, the real kind, that designs buildings. anyway many clients feel the same way about drawings for a house. they don't want to spend 20k+ for a roll of paper and ink. they forget about all of the hours that go into producing that roll of drawings. similar to software and music.

      now i havent actually taken econ 101, but my guess is that if you provide a product for free, you wont be in business very long. at least not in business to make money.

      i just think people should be respectful of other peoples time and effort. if someone wants to create something and charge for it. that is their choice. you should pay for it if you want to benefit from their labor.

      if someone wants to spend time creating something and give it away for free, that is also a choice.

      for the record i think drm is wrong. also think the whole piracy != losses is a convenient rationalization.

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    11. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the losses to one industry means gains to another: even the people who would have bought if they did not pirate, probably spent the money they saved on something else, so another industry made gains. Otherwise they saved it, and it would have been available to provide capital to industry.

      You could even argue that as the consumers who pirated and bought something else are now better off than if they had not pirated, there is an increase in consumers utility - and utility maximisation is the entire point of a free market economy.

    12. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Some of the users would have bought the material, some wouldn't have.

      I'll also bet that some of the users who would have paid for it, would not have paid for as much as they pirate -- which again, skews the numbers.

      I suppose it depends how you interpret that -- Piracy does imply some losses, yes. But piracy > losses, therefore piracy != losses. At least, that's how I read it.

      Now, what about those who would have bought it, were it unrestricted? As more DRM is added to a product, what happens to the amount of piracy, and to the number of sales?

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    13. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      What I meant to say was that total piracy != total # of losses. Frankly speaking, there are people out there who DO want a new blender, but can't spend $$$ to buy one. However, if a new blender was FREE, they'd jump all over it. That's where the additional demand comes from. Yes, piracy is theft, yes, not all pirates are broke and some would pay otherwise, yes, DRM is not an excuse to pirate. Frankly, I'm an amoral, agnostic nihilist, and I don't have to justify anything to myself or anyone else.

      But this isn't about who pirates, who doesn't pirate, or whether or not piracy is wrong. We all know it's theft. But the point is that the "$58 billion in economic damages" figure is a sham, a total lie. Everybody who downloaded would not shell out money for the things they downloaded; media is a luxury item, and the demand for luxury is items is highly price elastic.

      By the way, if you want an example of a business that is providing something for free and making money at it, check out www.southparkstudios.com. But you're right; companies have to make money somewhere. I never said that. All I said was that if you make something free, more people will partake in it than they would if it cost $10, $5, or even $1. Demand is directly related to price and so the folly of these analysts is assuming that every case of piracy is a "lost sale."

    14. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to be fucking daft to think that -noone- who pirates would not have bought the material, had piracy not been available.

      If something cannot be pirated, then I have no interest in purchasing it. I only buy DVDs as it is a cheap, easy way to add to my media server. Had the 'piracy' part been out of the question, then there would be no purchase made. Microsoft has realized - AND ADMITTED PUBLICLY BY BILL GATES HIMSELF - that piracy helps them. It helps maintain their dominent position. In a world without piracy, it isn't the DRM crowd that gains. Imagine if you could only play your Hanna Montana on a CD player - just like Grandpa!

    15. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Us economists are sitting in the back laughing at these idiotic claims.

    16. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Solol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and you could consider a visit to CS 101, to learn about the meaning of the != operator.

    17. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by soupforare · · Score: 1

      It's ignorant to say that piracy != losses.

      You're completely right! Where would Microsoft, Adobe, Image-Line or Propellerheads be if it weren't for piracy?

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    18. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know it's theft.

      Speak for yourself.

      a) The law does not define copyright violation as theft. Ok, that's just the law, the law says all sorts of things, some sensible, some stupid, but:

      b) The vast majority of people do not morally equate copyright violation with theft. My parents are the 'straightest' most law abiding people you could imagine. They would go out of their way to go back to a shop if given too much change. The thought of stealing a CD or LP from a shop would horrify them. But they asked me to make cassette copies of some of my Vinyl for them, and when I pointed out that this was techincally illegal they just thought it was 'silly'. And still wanted me to do it.
      From all my experience of everyone I've ever met, they are *very* representative of the majority. In other words, the majority of the population essentially *do not believe in copyright* and behave as if it doesn't really exist, from the point of view of non-commercial copying.
      You are one of a small minority who thinks that copyright violation is morally theft.
      The imorality lies in having laws imposed which by no stretch of the imagination command the support of 'the people'.

    19. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In ordinary language, 'equals' is ambiguous.

      Piracy entails losses, but the losses aren't equal to the scale of piracy.

    20. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also have to figure in the increased sales from pirating, because of the advertisement that comes from new users. Someone could see a pirate using a program, then go buy it.

    21. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      You're right. Grey market goods aren't a demand factor, they're part of the supply curve. They do affect equilibrium price, though, which is why the RIAA cares.

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    22. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      I was considering them as strings, rather than floats. ;-)

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    23. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Solol · · Score: 1

      I see. Given the context, I think the latter is the correct interpretation ;)

    24. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Bastiandantilus · · Score: 1

      For the record, that should have been piracy != losses because piracy < losses

    25. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by OzPhIsH · · Score: 2, Insightful
      God, how was this modded insightful?

      YOU might consider a visit to Econ 101, as you fuck up the most basic economic principles.

      Demand generally only has a constant slope in the SHORT term. In said short term, price does NOT have an effect on demand, but on quantity demanded. If Britteny releases a new album, I don't not want it at ANY price. When the PS3 was released, lots of people wanted it-there was high demand. It sat on shelves though because of the high price point. How times did we hear "I really want it at some point, but I'll wait until it is cheaper." Perfect example of a high demand, but a low quantity demanded.

      Price changes over the LONG term CAN have effects on demands, but then the assumption that the demand curve has a constant slope breaks, and you're still wrong.

      Please review your economics basics before you try to take someone to task again, k?

      Additionally, you might want to stop in a reading comprehension class while you're at it. The statement "piracy != losses" isn't talking about the copyright holders bottom lines, but obviously reflecting on the following excerpt from the quote: "Overall, the U.S. economy lost $58 billion in output that would have been realized if piracy had not occurred."

      The US economy did not "lose" $58 billion in output. Consumers just decided that those $58 billion dollars would be better spent in other sectors, on other goods and services which provide a higher utility, instead of sending them to the coffers of large IP holders.

      We didn't lose out on ANY tax money! The government still dipped its greedy fingers in whatever alternate transactions the consumer made with with $58 billion instead of having spent it on IP. And what about jobs supported and created in other industries with this $59 billion that supposedly was deserved by IP holders? By her logic, one could lambast consumers of Pepsi products for causing job losses at Coca-Cola! Deborah Taylor Tate's statement is complete and utter HOGWASH, and clearly illustrates that she is either an idiot, or is in bed with the large copyright holders--both reasons enough why she is unfit to serve in her position...

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    26. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by OzPhIsH · · Score: 1

      Excuse me I meant "If Britteny releases a new album, I DO NOT want it at ANY price." That's an awful place for an accidental double negative.

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      "To lead the people, you must walk behind them"

    27. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Well, they're just avoiding a whole buttload of cognitive dissonance by making irrational rationalizations. It's a defense mechanism for the weak-minded.

    28. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      We didn't lose out on ANY tax money! The government still dipped its greedy fingers in whatever alternate transactions the consumer made with with $58 billion instead of having spent it on IP

      And that's assuming the pirates even had $58 billion to begin with. But yeah, you're totally right. Glad I'm not the only one here who can see the light coming into the cave.

    29. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From her speech: "Overall, the U.S. economy lost $58 billion in output that would have been realized if piracy had not occurred. In addition, the U.S. lost 373,375 jobs due to piracy, and federal and state governments lose $2.6 billion annually through unrealized tax revenue."

      Even if these numbers were accurate, it's kind of... small. The U.S. GDP for the year of 2007 was approximately $13.6 trillion dollars. And I believe those numbers are supposed to be over several years, not a yearly loss.

      Also, these numbers are smaller (I think) than the effects of REAL Somali piracy and cascading (increased defense expenditures for patrols, increased shipping costs (well, you have to factor the dramatic increases in shipping insurance because of the financial failure), etc.).

      As I said: where's an economist when you need one?

      Wall Street?

    30. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The economist would tell you that almost never will a government bureaucrat fail to praise their agency as vital for the health of our economy or the defense of our nation, gush about how their budget should be even larger next year so that they can do even more good, and generally argue in favor of any policy, technology, or position which secures their jobs, increases their power, and expands their scope.

    31. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are people who buy a game after they play an illegal copy and enjoy it. There are people who get an illegal copy of a game and never play it. There are people who get an illegal copy of a game, but would never have paid for it either way. There are people who get an illegal copy of a game even though they already have a legitimate copy.

      The problem, as he was trying to explain, is the math where "1 illegal copy" = "1 lost sale". It's based on too many assumptions, and we don't know what this ratio actually is. It's even plausible that the relationship can be negative -- that the marketing value of piracy is greater than the loss in sales. Of course, this would vary from product to product depending on the effectiveness of its marketing.

      And this still ignores any cultural effect or cultural value of "piracy". The experience of introducing a friend to your favourite song is certainly something of value. The homemade music videos floating around the internet are another interesting example.

      There's so much research that still needs to be done.

    32. Re:Where's an economist when you need one? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you gotta love how decisions using microeconomic reasoning are almost the exact opposite of the decisions one would reach using macroeconomic reasoning. Too bad people in government keep forgetting that their job is to consider the macroeconomic picture ...

  23. Lobby by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess the MAFIAA lobby is very strong. Obviously politicians have no idea of the real world and are told what to say by their staff.

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    1. Re:Lobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this real world you are talking of and where can I get a copy?

      Some politicians actually do have an idea of real world piracy that is why the are starting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atalanta

  24. Very effective in what universe? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I praise Bacon as being very nutritious and good for weight loss, especially in large quantities. It should be blended into all health foods and general bread.

    1. Re:Very effective in what universe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Someone is already on top of that. http://www.baconsalt.com

    2. Re:Very effective in what universe? by dufachi · · Score: 1

      Corn Syrup MAFIA is gonna get you for that. lol.

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  25. Why I don't read comments anymore by financialguy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One look at the tags on this story reminds me why I almost never bother with comments anymore.

    Like most Slashdot readers, it's hard for me to imagine statements this blatantly stupid and biased coming from a sitting government official.

    But SERIOUSLY, notwithstanding some really bright, reasonable, articulate people, it feels like this place is up to the gills in 8th graders. "Whore" and "bitch" are the kind of words I remember seeing on bathroom walls. I get emotional about some of these things too, but how can anyone take this site seriously with those kinds of responses?

    1. Re:Why I don't read comments anymore by Huwawa · · Score: 0

      "Whore" and "bitch" are the kind of words I remember seeing on bathroom walls.

      That's how many people react when the people they pay (through taxes) to be "experts" on issues related to technology say things that are so disingenuous and Luddite.

  26. neutrality / regulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They way this woman and other net-neutrality opponents refer to the concept is revealing; to them it's regulation. In a way, this is true. Yet this is a situation in which regulation of consumer behavior is inversely proportional to regulation of corporate behavior. To me, net-neutrality always seemed like the deregulation approach, since it means fewer regulations on me (and every other internet user).

    I also love how alleged piracy is always just piracy to these people. This bitch should burn.

  27. welcome to the age of the internet by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    bureacracy is just damage to route around

    block the servers, we make it p2p

    block the ports, we make it http

    sniff the packets, we mask it as as form gets and posts

    throttle our connection, we just download slower fractional pieces and assemble in alternative channels

    a billion media hungry, poor, and, most importantly, technically astute young people. far more technically astute, far more numberous, and a lot more motivated than your hired tech guns. you can't pay someone to do well enough what we do for free from passion

    go ahead, sue us. if you can find us. go ahead, bankrupt some poor dumb college kids. like those you catch are anything but dumband clueless. go ahead, reap the bad pr. nothing stops, full steam ahead

    game on, ignorant dinosaurs. its the extinction of your outmoded business models and your laws based on philosophies from the 1800s understanding of media

    whether your realize it, or fight it, or whatever, you lose, no matter what you do. you just don't know it yet

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:welcome to the age of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would have been much more poignant if you had posted it Anonymously.

  28. Some interesting assertions in TFA by A.+Bosch · · Score: 3, Informative

    "[T]he U.S. lost 373,375 jobs due to piracy, and federal and state governments lose $2.6 billion annually through unrealized tax revenue." Based on what? Every act of stealing a song doesn't mean the person stealing would have purchased the song, for example.

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    1. Re:Some interesting assertions in TFA by Zedrick · · Score: 1

      > Every act of stealing a song doesn't mean the person stealing would have purchased the song, for example.

      Pirating, not stealing. If the song had been stolen then I guess the figures could be right, since the artist/record company wouldn't have it anymore.

    2. Re:Some interesting assertions in TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "[T]he U.S. lost 373,375 jobs due to
      piracy, and federal and state governments lose $2.6 billion annually through unrealized
      tax revenue."

      Based on what? Every act of stealing a song doesn't mean the person stealing would have purchased the song, for example.

      In fact in can mean increased sales. It's free advertisement.

    3. Re:Some interesting assertions in TFA by thepotoo · · Score: 1
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  29. Is this the change we need? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    'Leave the ISPs out of it â" it's not their job to protect a failing business model, and a movement toward a tiered and filtered Internet will do nothing to stem the tide of piracy, but will result in great restrictions on innovation, freedoms, and the general use of the Internet. There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies.'

    QFT

    I wonder how much lobbyist money she took from the RIAA to say those things?

    It is not just the business model that is failing, it is the government model that is failing as well. Remember that the DMCA was passed by both Democrats and Republicans in Congress and signed by Bill Clinton, why only pick on the Republicans when the Democrats have an equal share of the blame?

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  30. From the speech by FrostDust · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its crucial that we not only allow operators to manage their networks, but to not tie their hands with prescriptive regulations. And make no mistake, net neutrality as network management is sometimes referenced in Washington and among political discussants, if implemented in its strictest form, will tie the hands of network operators. Digital fingerprinting and watermarking would not be possible if net neutrality is enforced in its harshest form.

    I'm pretty sure New_Movie.avi would still contain their precious watermarks, regardless of how they throttled your connection. Unless, of course, they are hoping the ISPs reroute "unauthorized" destinations and protocols to their own servers.

  31. Let them filter! by fluffykitty1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Go ahead and try, all that will happen is that services will use rotating ports and encryption to get around filters. Good luck, let the arms race begin.

    1. Re:Let them filter! by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      The ISPs can probably identify the protocol used, even if it's encrypted:

      http://www.shmoocon.org/2007/presentations/PISA.ppt
      http://www.shmoocon.org/2007/videos/Encrypted%20Protocol%20Identification%20via%20Statistical%20Analysis%20-%20Rob%20King%20and%20Rohlt%20Dhamankar.mp4
      http://www.shmoocon.org/2007/presentations.html

      Note that their method just looks at the packets. If you also know that the packets originate from a network that only has one customer/peer relationship, and that relationship is with you, you can look at the number of connections with the same protocol as well.

      I'm not sure that it's clear we can win the arms race; at least, not in the near future.

  32. Re:Has he seen how successful it's been in Austral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, I posted as a AC, didn't get the Gender of the person I was abusing correct on the subject, and looking back on it used some pretty bad grammar in my post.

    And it gets modded up to 4 and marked informative.

  33. USA is Australia's souce for interest in FILTERING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I knew it had to be... Australia's (Rudd) government has been IGNORING the country's technical experts (eg, on the topic of Net Filtering) for a long time now... I had wondered why... What's in it for Australia to filter the Internet?

    I understand that the prime minister's wife is Catholic (could this be a factor?)

    Businesses might (before our Aussie $ dropped in value by ~30% recently) have wanted Australians' Internet experience to be SLOW, ie, so the more impatient amounst us would stop looking for bargains, eg, in larger cities or overseas or on eBay... but those bargains have "soured" after the Aussie dropped...

    Now, I see our Aussie gov't beginning to show signs of American nonesense all over again... (Wasn't the Iraq invasion enough?!?)

    Australia still seems to fear disagreeing with the Bush administration... Hopefully, Obama's rise to power (early in January) will give Australians a more intelligent approach to Internet facilitation (as opposed to the opposite).

    I'm still waiting for the Australian gov't to notice places - like France - where Internet is unlimited, cheap, fast (16 MB/sec - fast, at least, by Aussie [ADSL-1 - if you can get it] standards) & can come with whole-of-Nation unlimited phone calling (so they -feel- like a Nation) & some [pay] TV channels, as well.

    They're still pandering to -useless- Telstra and -sinking- USA... ie, rather than looking for bright ideas elsewhere.

    We tired of overpriced, monopolistic Telstra and really don't need to follow the USA into mega-deficits.

    We don't need SLOWER Internet, in the name of "filtering" and we don't need to be told what we can & cannot use our Internet for, for the most part. Those who download kiddy-porn or use the Internet to foster race-hatred do, but the rest of us should not have our Internet slowed by "filtering" activities, when it's so easy to beat the filters.

    PS: Did you know that it costs upwards of Au $10,000 for a "license" to be a (legal) ISP in Australia?!? That's anti-compertitive!

    Groups who would cooperate to bring fast[er] Intenet to their Australian neighborhood -fear- being fined for not having such costly licenses before they "Car-Pool" their groups' Internet accounts.

  34. The FCC is corrupt to its core! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The FCC is by far one of the more corrupt of the Govt. agencies out there. Remember, the FCC was established to prevent interference between (then) radio broadcasters. Today's FCC has actually encouraged interference, by allowing the radio stations to run a digital broadcasting system that operates on their neighbors' frequency! They have totally screwed up cell phones, cable TV, broadcast TV, the Internet and just about everything else they have been allowed to touch! There has never been an engineer as an FCC Commisissioner, even though much of what they regulate is physics based. They all are lawyers!

    Under their tutalige, (and in concert with a corrupt Bush administration) the United States has wound up with the costliest, slowest, most content regulaged Internet of all the first world countries. The Communications Act of 1996 was GUTTED by them! There is virtually NO competition for Internet in the USA! We have three non-compatible cell phone systems here in the USA; and even where systems ARE compatible, unlike the rest of the world, you can not take your phone from one carrier to another and use it! Instead, perfectly good phones clutter our landfills!

    Our Digital TV system is a JOKE-just wait until next February to see how bad THAT is going to be (Hint: the digital coverage of TV stations is only about 60% of their current analog coverage, resulting in lots of coverage gaps). The AM broadcast band has been destroyed by an FCC that has allowed all sorts of interfering electronic devices to create digital grunge without licensing or oversight. Finally, the only thing that talks at ther FCC is MONEY!! Why else would under 35 TV stations be able to occupy TV channels five and six after digital, when a new FM band that could accomodate EVERY ONE of the 5000 plus AM stations could make MUCH BETTER use of this precious spectrum (another hint: channels 2-6 are USELESS for DTV)!

    The FCC needs to be abolished and replaced with a non-partisan agency primarily run by engineers. For far too long, the FCC has allowed the foxes (the very licensees they regulate) run the hen house. It's time to put this dog to sleep!

    1. Re:The FCC is corrupt to its core! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world would be tons better if engineers ran it.

      They don't, they are even impeded by lawyers.

      The problem is that the smart people that get excited over how things actually work are derided and outcast by the stupid people that follow every fashionable beck and call of their idiot parents. The smart people go on to become engineers and the stupid people go on to become lawyers and businesspeople.

      I envy the blissfully ignorant, as at least they can't see their own demise looming.

    2. Re:The FCC is corrupt to its core! by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I've kind of gotten this thing against the government supporting civil agencies to control other civil entities, and it seems the only thing the FCC does is just that.

      It's illegal to 'steal cable', it's not just unlawful, it's a federal offense. Cable companies, corporations, provide consumers with a service. They don't have to go to civil court if they discover signal theft, they get the fast track of federal support, the taxpayers paying for the litigation.

      --
      "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
    3. Re:The FCC is corrupt to its core! by shentino · · Score: 1

      Someone tell me how the fuck the FCC got jurisdiction over the internet in the first place?

      If anything, wouldn't it be DoD or the FTC?

      It's interstate commerce.

    4. Re:The FCC is corrupt to its core! by Darundal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The most content regulated internet of all the first world countires? Are. You. High?

  35. WTF parts... by LingNoi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's interesting that a lawyer can know so much about this. She's obviously the most experienced person to know about this stuff..

    For example, in South Korea, Warner Brothers is combating piracy of its DVDs by releasing a watermarked version online, instead of a DRM-protected DVD.

    How is it piracy if Warner Brothers releases it? Aren't you a fucking lawyer?! You should know this!

    For example, leading digital
    fingerprinting company Audible Magic expects a turn-key system to cost around $100,000 for a large university this year.

    and I assume Universities will be forced into installing this black box on their network monitoring all their traffic, because that isn't weird in a 1984 kind of way..

    For example, less than 1% of the
    Olympic coverage viewed this past summer was pirated.

    So what? Most of us didn't watch it on purpose out of protest. Correlation doesn't equate causation.

    Some campuses have taken measures to create their own tools to combat piracy. The University of Florida is a great example. Once they realized the huge cost that piracy was creating on campus, they developed their own tool to combat illegal file sharing. This tool, called âoeRed Lambda,â helped bring the Universityâ(TM)s number of infringement claims to almost zero, and the infrastructure and bandwidth savings were so great that the University was awarded a taxpayer award for the savings generated.

    So rather then buy a $100,000 system they rolled their own and got paid for doing it? Nice to see those taxes aren't going to waste.

    Digital fingerprinting and watermarking would not be possible if net neutrality is enforced in its harshest form.

    They don't work now, she even says so in the pdf that watermarking doesn't work and what does network neutrality have to do with this at all.

    She should stick to her own profession instead of thinking she knows things about computers.

    If net neutrality is implemented in its strictest form, with carriers not being able to distinguish between any packets, prioritizing more time-sensitive traffic such as video and VoIP traffic, we will have lost much of the innovation that makes the internet great, and may lose what progress we have made.

    The reason the internet is what it is because it is network neutral. They'd be no Google if it wasn't for network neutrality as well as many other companies.

    Her reasoning is that VOIP and video is more important because big companies want to turn the Internet into cable TV and Phone.

    She can not comprehend the Internet as a communication tool used by all, she can only see money to be made.. Typical really, she is a lawyer after all..

    Take for example materials that have been created by companies such as IKeepSafe. One recent initiative taken was the creation of a new online adventure: âoeFaux Paw and the Dangerous Download.â This book and animated adventure helps explain to kids why piracy is bad, and encourages them to only download from trusted, legal sites.

    Yes lets brainwash the kids, that'll ensure your cashcow internet is a success. Don't download from our competitors stores, only our trusted website.

    I am grateful that government has acted in an appropriate manner, incorporating
    piracy education requirements in the Higher Education Opportunity Act.

    Why? You're the FCC Commissioner however the more I read the more you sound like a fucking RIAA sleeper agent and "incorporating" isn't the word I would use, "slipped in" sounds more appropriate.

    Some of you probably attended public schools that were connected to the internet through a program administered by the FCC, the âoeE-rate pro

    1. Re:WTF parts... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As usual the government won't do shit and she'll worm her way into a different high position. I hope this bitch dies in a fire.

      Nice way to invalidate any conceivable merit the rest of your argument had.

    2. Re:WTF parts... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      How is it piracy if Warner Brothers releases it?

      You're parsing that wrong. I think you parsed it like as if she's saying Warner Brothers is combating a new kind of piracy where the pirates add watermarks.

      She's actually saying that Warner Brothers is releasing those watermarks as a way to combat piracy.

      That is, it's not: /Warner Brothers/Is countering/Piracy by watermarking/
      It is: /Warner Brothers/Is countering piracy/by watermarking/

      I'm not really sure what the appropriate notation is. Maybe I should've just used punctuation. It's a bit like the joke of helping your uncle Jack off a horse...

      and I assume Universities will be forced into installing this black box on their network monitoring all their traffic

      No, they can't actually force this to happen. However, they do try to legally pressure some universities into doing this. The smarter universities tend to actually protect their students, by quashing any fishing expeditions by MAFIAA members.

      For example, less than 1% of the
      Olympic coverage viewed this past summer was pirated.

      So what? Most of us didn't watch it on purpose out of protest.

      I suspect this one had much more to do with the fact that Olympic coverage was available in a convenient, free format from the Internet.

      In other words, it really has nothing to do with whether it was DRM'd, and everything to do with the fucking basics of the free market -- provide a product that people find valuable, at a price they're willing to pay.

      Her reasoning is that VOIP and video is more important because big companies want to turn the Internet into cable TV and Phone.

      Perhaps. But she's only using them because they're the typical example given to explain to laymen the need for low-latency, low-bandwidth traffic.

      Unfortunately, the constant mention of TV completely undermines that argument. TV is never completely "live", and both YouTube and torrents show that high-quality TV requires a lot of bandwidth -- yet doesn't care much about latency.

      The mention of TV is actually an argument for network neutrality.

      That is, unless she's suggesting that only the ISP's chosen IPTV network be prioritized, and that it take priority over things like YouTube and BitTorrent. In which case, it's also the perfect ad-absurdum argument for net neutrality -- if she would outright say how disturbingly anticompetitive she would like to make the Internet, that would be a great educational tool for anyone still skeptical.

      Oh, and keep in mind -- you don't actually need to use hyperbole here. What she's saying is incredible enough by itself. These do nothing to help your case:

      Aren't you a fucking lawyer?! You should know this!... because that isn't weird in a 1984 kind of way... She should stick to her own profession instead of thinking she knows things about computers.... She can not comprehend the Internet as a communication tool used by all, she can only see money to be made.. the more I read the more you sound like a fucking RIAA sleeper agent.... This women should be charged with Treason.... I hope this bitch dies in a fire.

      Does she deserve all that? Maybe.

      But these statements are overly inflammatory even where you're right, and you're not, always. When you're wrong, it just makes you look like a jackass, which makes it less likely anyone will take the time to read your comment.

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    3. Re:WTF parts... by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Whatever government shill, why do you fuck off back to your recording company now? Thanks bye.

    4. Re:WTF parts... by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      No it's you who can't grasp it. She says quite plain a simply.

      "For example, in South Korea, Warner Brothers is combating piracy of its DVDs by releasing a watermarked version online, instead of a DRM-protected DVD."

      They're releasing the DVDs online themselves and then claiming people have pirated them. If you release your own product on the internet then it's not piracy.

      Read what I said next time, jackass.

    5. Re:WTF parts... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      They're releasing the DVDs online themselves and then claiming people have pirated them.

      Again, that's not what I'm seeing here. Read that quote you so helpfully provided again. Now again, slowly. Maybe it will sink in.

      Warner Brothers is combating (piracy of its DVDs) by (releasing a watermarked version online, instead of a DRM-protected DVD).

      In other words: Warner Brothers is combating the phenomena where people pirate the DRM-protected DVD by abandoning that scheme, and taking it online.

      You've somehow, perversely, read that wrong, even when it's been pointed out to you. You've read it as:

      Warner Brothers is combating (piracy of its DVDs by releasing a watermarked version online, instead of a DRM-protected DVD).

      That's a much more cumbersome sentence -- is English your first language? "Plain a simply", obviously not.

      It's also possible that you've confused what Warner is doing -- since they've said they are doing this instead of releasing a DRM-protected DVD, I can only assume that it's not that they're watermarking a rip and posting it on thepiratebay, so they can blame other people. No, it seems far more likely that they are selling a downloadable, un-DRM'd, but watermarked format, so that if people then choose to distribute it on thepiratebay, they can be tracked.

      Read what I said next time, jackass.

      Oh, very mature. But the same to you -- rather than taking the time to read my post, and find out what I was trying to say, you instead repeated yours, only with more name-calling.

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    6. Re:WTF parts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it piracy if Warner Brothers releases it? Aren't you a fucking lawyer?! You should know this!

      It is available for sale online by Warner Brothers, the version they put online FOR SALE contains watermark instead of DRM.

      and I assume Universities will be forced into installing this black box on their network monitoring all their traffic, because that isn't weird in a 1984 kind of way..

      That is not what a Turnkey system does - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnkey"

      I didn't get any further into your post, since it is an obvious pile of steaming Troll-dung, despite a few good points which are obviously copied opinions that were posted earlier.

      but thanks for playing.

  36. Re:wish for bush now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the actions of one of President Bush's appointees is the ultimate damning evidence of Obama's lack of enpivbtenment!

    I always felt that his campaign slogan, "Enpivbtenment You Can Believe In" flebbicd indrevertcide.

  37. Four points as response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sent via Fax: 1-866-418-0232

    Dear Commissioner Taylor Tate:

    As president of a small software company in New Hampshire I am quite aware of the critical place that copyright law plays in protecting my company's software and intellectual property.

    I just read the PDF of your speech last week at Penn (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-287150A1.pdf), and I must say that this it is a striking piece of work.

    It seems laden with misinformation, half truths, fear, uncertainty and doubt. It's hard to see where to begin, but I will raise four points:

    1) You spend a good third of the speech citing truly frightening statistics about the losses borne by creators of intellectual property. I would appreciate support for the numbers that you mention - the US Chamber of Commerce figure is particularly suspect, as it appears to refer to various other studies that ultimately rely on that original CoC figure.

    As a taxpayer, I ask you to provide the raw data for these statistics your argument relies on.

    2) I'm astonished that you include auto and fashion industry losses as ones of copyright. Certainly counterfeit products could be guilty of trademark infringement or outright fraud, and drug counterfeiting might be criminal.

    But it seems sloppy rhetoric to use such a broad brush in your talk.

    3) You then go on to cite efforts to use technology to minimize copyright violations. These watermarking and fingerprinting measures allow copyright holders to easily and reliably identify their content on public web sites. This, too, strikes me as a good way to make effective use of the current DMCA to take down the offending material.

    However, these seem to undermine the thesis of your talk that, "We have to do something about this!"

    4) The final part of your speech goes on to stump for greater education, at the expense of scaring the bejesus out of the audience, and completely ignoring (or worse, trampling) the right of Fair Use.

    In short, this was a red-meat speech that strives to stir up all the bogeymen of the "bad Internet".

    As a taxpayer and small-C conservative, I was hopeful that a federal government employee might present a more balanced view, especially to a university audience who could understand the nuances, of the current state of the law and a more thoughtful view of the national policy might be.

    I would appreciate a response, especially on the raw data for the statistics you cite.

    Best regards,

    Rich Brown
    Hanover, NH USA

    1. Re:Four points as response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are all great letters and I applaud your efforts. But to someone with an agenda, they are falling on deaf ears.

      Nathan

  38. Re:Simple solution. NOT. by schon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    stop giving the people that back this shit your money. Put your money where your mouth is.

    The problem with this is that it's *not* a solution.

    What happens when you do this is that they say "hey our sales are down, we need more DRM and government restrictions - send some more lobbyists to Washington to buy some more laws."

    And drop in sales is attributed to "piracy", whether it's really the cause or not.

  39. Re:Has he seen how successful it's been in Austral by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 1

    how can our government possibly lose face when it is already a joke?

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  40. What you can do to help: by arhhook · · Score: 3, Informative

    Let me point people to the Save The Internet movement and encourage people to send a letter to their representatives with what they think. The template letter is as follows:

    * Subject:. Required.

    Dear [Decision Maker],

    Please personalize your message
    Countless Americans rely upon an open Internet in their daily lives. Our elected leaders must protect our basic right to communicate from those who want to take it from us. Please join with me and 2 million others to demand that Congress protect the free-flowing Internet from blocking, censorship and discrimination by phone and cable companies. This is not an issue of left against right but of right over wrong. To allow companies to interfere with our Internet access is a stark violation of the principles of openness and nondiscrimination that have been the bedrock of U.S. communications policy for more than 70 years. It's up to Congress to protect innovation, free speech and democracy on the Internet.

    Sincerely,

    [Your Name]
    [Your Address]
    [City, State ZIP]

    And will be automatically sent to your representatives depending on where you live. If you feel strongly, please help take action.

  41. either one of three situations by DragonTHC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A) she has excellent research available on the subject the effectiveness of DRM and ISP filtering

    or

    B) she is grossly misinformed and spouting off like an idiot

    or

    C) she knows what she says isn't true, but she's saying it to push the riaa agenda.

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    They're using their grammar skills there.
  42. Graffiti on the Men's Room Wall by westlake · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Former FCC Commissioner Deborah Taylor Tate has announced she is retiring in 2009 and is looking forward to giving her full attention to giving blowjobs to RIAA executives

    There are some things it is a pleasure to leave behind in high school.

    Trash talk from a nerd is one of them.

    Talk of blowjobs isn't "insightful." It is adolescent.

    Beavis and Butt-Head. You have given no reason why any one over the age of consent should take you seriously.

    1. Re:Graffiti on the Men's Room Wall by neomunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, I normally agree to this kinda of sentiment hardily, but after reading what this woman has say on the subject, I feel the need to paraphrase Freud... Sometimes a cocksucker is just a cocksucker. I mean, the little voice in my head that read in it older-WASPy-woman voice actually mumbled a bit, having to talk around the big publishing-industry cock in her mouth.

      Yes, it's crude and coarse, but pretend civility that passes as public discourse has gotten us to the point where people like this are taken seriously. Personally, I think being a bit lewd and even rude are far preferable to letting shit like this be taken seriously.

    2. Re:Graffiti on the Men's Room Wall by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think being a bit lewd and even rude are far preferable to letting shit like this be taken seriously.

      The problem is, it is the geek who isn't taken seriously. The mod-up to +5 simply makes him "one of the boys."

    3. Re:Graffiti on the Men's Room Wall by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wasn't trying to impress anyone. If you think crudeness is wrong in trying to satirize elements of our society, then I recommend you don't read Swift.

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    4. Re:Graffiti on the Men's Room Wall by westlake · · Score: 1
      If you think crudeness is wrong in trying to satirize elements of our society, then I recommend you don't read Swift.

      I have read Swift. I suggest you do the same.

  43. Re:Has he seen how successful it's been in Austral by Technician · · Score: 1

    The biggest misscomception is this one;

    There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies

    During the heyday of napster, CD sales were up. When the exposure to music was severely limited and incompatible (DRM) formats were introduced, sales fell. DRM does to music sales what hardware dongles do to software sales. It reduces piracy, exposure, and sales while increasing costs.

    I don't do dongles or DRM.

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  44. DRM is Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love DRM. It is saving me money. I was planning to purchase GTA IV but hey, I don't think so. I was considering a few EA games until I found out that if they ban you from the forum you can't play either due their DRM sharing the same persona as the forum. Conclusion? Oodles of money saved.

    Thank you DRM! You are the best!

  45. please, post feedback by CaptainNerdCave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i think most of us would really like to see the non-automated response you get, if you get one. regarding drm, i wrote to my congressman and senator... never heard anything from either of them. :-(

    1. Re:please, post feedback by Afforess · · Score: 2, Informative

      "
      Dear Consumer,

      Thank you for contacting the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). This is an automated message to confirm that we have received your correspondence. We will review your information to determine how we can best serve you.

      If you need to send additional information, you may reply back with this email, leaving the case number (example: CIMS0123456789) in the subject line, or contact us at our toll free phone number 1-888-Call-FCC (1-888-225-5322) and reference the case number.

      The Federal Communications Commission "

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      If our elected representatives no longer represent us, do we still live in a Democracy?
    2. Re:please, post feedback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Dear Consumer". Lovely.

  46. Re:I laud eating shit! by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

    Man... Mod OT if you must, but uh I think we could all use a little something, something to defuse the situation. That's just a tad inflammatory if I do say... Kudos to you Mrs. Deborah Taylor Tate, troll of the year.

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    On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  47. Re:I laud eating shit! by negRo_slim · · Score: 1
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    On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  48. effective at doing what? by kayditty · · Score: 0

    at preventing me from watching my Garden State (laugh it up buddy!!) DVD which I legally purchased at Best Buy for like $14? when I could just download a full DVD in two hours and watch it whenever and however I want? yeah. I had to actually install PowerDVD just so I could watch that movie on my computer, because it wouldn't let me read the VOBs "directly" somehow. needless to say, I won't be buying another DVD distributed by Fox or Miramax or probably anyone else. also, PowerDVD is the biggest, most horrible fucking piece of shit I've ever seen, and I'm going to uninstall it instantly. why does this software need to install 200000 metric kilotons of bullfuckingshit, including crap that I didn't even have any conception of it wanting to install, like MusicMatch JukeBox, which is also, coincidentally, a steaming pile of fuck?

    and speaking of shit, what the fuck was I doing at Best Buy anyway?
    fuck.. I'm probably going to get sued for libel. I hope commander tacos doesn't roll over.

    1. Re:effective at doing what? by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  49. Re: FCC Commissioner Lauds DRM, ISP Filtering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing to be gained down that path other than possibly to expand the wallets of a few companies.'"

    And that, my friend, is the whole idea.

  50. Consider the context. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A bathroom wall is pretty much exactly where this woman belongs.

    Consider that "whore" is not necessarily idle name-calling. Because of the statements she's made, we can either assume that she actually is that stupid, or that she's been swayed by lobbyists -- maybe that she's actually paid by the RIAA, or has some stake in them.

    Which would make her a whore, regardless of her gender. The fact that she's a public servant makes her that much more deserving of every profanity we can throw at her.

    Of course, the full extent of our disgust doesn't fit into the tags, so it's been condensed to "bitch" and "whore"... which is why you have to actually read the comments.

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    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    1. Re:Consider the context. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whores are more honest.

      After all, how many try to give the impression that what they are doing is "good for America"?

      I have more respect for the average prostitute than many of these officials who claim to be "serving the public".

  51. Re:I laud eating shit! by erica_ann · · Score: 1

    All your base are belong to Google.

  52. Hope it doesn't come to that. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Just look at China.

    The real danger isn't necessarily that they'll be able to win -- it's that they'll be able to convince the majority that it's a good thing, so there won't be as much resistance as you imagine.

    But consider the technical trends lately... Alright, yes, mask it as form gets and posts. What happens when ISPs actually start censoring sites? What happens when IPv4 runs out, and we still refuse to upgrade -- so we are all behind NATs, so no one can expose port 80 unless they're one of the approved few?

    I don't want to wait until we get to that point -- to where the only real way to take back control will be through more and more direct and blatant acts of sabotage ("borrowing" an approved server to coordinate hole-punching), or receding farther and father underground (using ham radios to coordinate hole-punching)...

    No, I like my Internet mostly the way it is -- I get 100 mbit fiber to my house at a reasonable price, and while the policy says otherwise, I can pretty much use it how I want. I would much rather see them keep doing what they're doing -- laying more fiber, actually investing my money in new infrastructure, and keeping far enough ahead that as fast as I can download, I won't be lagging anyone else.

    That is one of many reasons I voted for Obama. And yes, I know about Biden's record, but even if he sticks to that, better a pro-neutrality President and an anti-neutrality VP than an entire anti-neutrality party.

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    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  53. But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...somebody has to protect Britney's interests!

  54. the FCC and hollywood by i_b_don · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow. I can't believe what an echo chamber it is in here.

    First of all, why would the FCC care one whit about the anti-DRM movement? As far as their concerned this is the same stuff that cable companies have been putting on their lines for years for movies and pay channels. Why is this any different for them?

    So what's the big deal. They think "ah, just move the cable industry model to the internet and you now have streaming TV and movies, great!" And again, i don't actually see a problem with this... until they try to stop you from being able to record on your VCR or something and destroy the cable legacy user model we have today. That's where the problem is and that's what you should be arguing against.

    Now again, this whole bittorrent thing eats into their business. First off, they're basically there to support industry. They don't care about us as consumers, they just want to control the content that we can see and view. I mean really, in this day and age, what else do they do? Manage airwave frequencies? Um... yeah... that would take about 10 people for the whole US if that's all they did.

    So they're basically the morals gatekeeper to keep us from seeing Janet Jackson's boob. The whole bittorrent thing really eats into that control. I can DL anything from Bambi to 2 girls 1 cup with out any form of content control... and so can any unsupervised 5 yr old. O M G!~

    From their point of view, internet filtering is great and DRM is totally old news. So unless you're a religious organization that can whip your people into having orgies of indignation at the drop of a hat, they don't care about your rights as an individual or your rights as a consumer. They only care about your rights to pony up money for the latest Hollywood flick... and maybe about how messed up if little Timmy hears a swear word or sees a (gasp) boob.

    Look for other people to protect your rights, the FCC is about limiting, not protecting. Don't expect any different. I hate to say it, but congress and the courts are the path to protecting your rights, not the FCC.

    d

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    1. Re:the FCC and hollywood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're basically the morals gatekeeper to keep us from seeing Janet Jackson's boob.

      They have no problem showing us her boob, it's her nipple that strikes fear into the hearts of good, upstanding citizens, and turns our children into horribly scarred remnants of human beings.

  55. um.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has anybody ever seen star trek? i'm not like am obsessed fan or anything. but i'm seriously seeing things go the way of the federation. from what i gather the story goes: after a major third world war, where most of the human population is killed, a survivor builds an interstellar craft with a light speed drive... using the ship draws the attention of aliens, and the whole remaining population joins together to rebuild earth as a single peaceful society so they can effectively take part in a universe much bigger than themselves. to do this they create a free society, where people are simply taken care of, and value is placed appropriately on ingenuity and hard work; a whole do what you can / get what you need thing.

    aside from a little capitalism here or there europe almost made it to that point after the whole nazi fiasco; most of the major players there have universal healthcare... but for some reason they never made it completely out of the primordial ooze.

    the web and digital technology has proved peoples interest in a free open society--well beyond any doubt. all we need is for a major nation collectively to take it's head out of it's FOR-PROFIT a$$ and institute the means for people to work productively in groups merely for the sake of producing better goods and enriching everyone's lives, instead of singular entities trying to enrich the lives of themselves or those closest to them at everyone elses loss.

    think cooperation! employee governed or member governed... it just depends on the service provided. most people don't want to get there hands dirty anymore and grow their own food, and if they're a rocket scientist they shouldn't have too... so most farms would obviously be employee governed. but than people do want to have a say in what is directly available to them locally... so grocery and retail stores would be member governed. who cares if it's a warehouse like costco or a huge retail outlet like a wallymart, as long as it's a non-profit cooperative distributor it's all good... and if something is found to not be good the group can find a way to fix the issue.

    consider how wallymart was able to exercise their power over the manufacturers to get the amount of murcury in CFLs lowered; imagine what a nationwide union of cooperative retailers could accomplish (or have)! imagine localized non-profit electric automobile manufacturers and cooperative mechanic shops, construction companies, temp and employment service agencies. furniture manufacturers and bicycle shops (with built in storefronts and repair centers), colleges, hospitals, insurance agencies, dentist offices... who do you give all your money to and get piss-all in return for?

    a service providing business is the easiest to create as a non-profit cooperative; insurance agencies and money lenders should be a major priority for anyone who has a lot of money to play with and a philanthropic heart; then manufacturers--especially automobiles, or anything else that's mostly a direct to customer business!

    start something... do it today!

    hellure at inbox dot com

  56. of course by mr_musan · · Score: 0

    you wouldn't want those students to be exposed to any of that communist/Islamic/monarchical/socialist/Buddhist/European/terrorist views that persist on the open Internet it might make them start to think for them selfs and question what else is being told to them and we all know schools are not the place for free thought best we let the elete control us they do have our best intrest at hart

  57. Duh by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

    The United State's only real export anymore is intellectual property. As manufacturing, real estate, and raw material exports decline export more and even violent protection of Intellectual Property.

    The real chiller is so few can control intellectual property that you'll see a new patent-holding aristocracy who's knights and private armies wear suits and wage war in courts...

    aww shit too late...

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  58. Re:Simple solution. NOT. by kungfugleek · · Score: 1
    It's a partial solution -- don't by games with DRM. The other part is to buy games that don't have DRM. I think Sins of a Solar Empire is one of those...

    Even corporate drones might catch on that "hey, games the don't have DRM are outselling ones that do!"

    btw, PCGamer includes DRM info in its reviews. I'm sure other magazines do, too. It has now become the most important part of any review for me. I read that before even considering the rest of the review.

  59. Sounds like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...someone is phishing for a job at the RIAA, MPAA, or ESA maybe?

  60. You had it, then you lost it by klx · · Score: 2, Informative

    What a frustrating email. The first 85% is great -- Spore is such a perfect poster child for DRM, and your writing style is cogent and engaging.

    Then you go and fuck up the whole thing by directly insulting the addressee. You're supposed to butter her up, or dig deep for ways to excuse her ignorance, or, at worst, pelt her with hilariously veiled insults.

    Insulting whatserface negates the value of your otherwise convincing letter. Even if you send copies to your congresscritters, you're still more likely to come off as a supercilious jackwipe than you would have if you'd just left that part out.

    1. Re:You had it, then you lost it by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Not like it matters. The FCC isn't staffed by elected officials. And perhaps more importantly the odds of her being replaced very soon are very high, so her opinions won't matter.

      Also, I get really sick of seeing bland, politically correct, inoffensive content - this is largely the FCC's fault for Americans. Their power grabs have been sickening considering they are beholden only to the president in a government "for the people".

      But thanks for the honest feedback anyway, I especially enjoyed the, "then you go fuck up the whole thing". Society needs more bluntness in my opinion (note how I do my part?).

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      Question everything

    2. Re:You had it, then you lost it by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I agree with the previous review :) But as you say, nowadays we do too much "censorship" of what we really think, with the net result that no one can cope with anything that's not all rainbows and butterflies, and bullies get to have their way because no one will stand up to them. :(

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  61. Incoming Transition Team by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    Here's an email I sent recently to a geek list I'm on, regarding the FCC transition chiefs:
    (note: kudos to NYCountryLawyer for pointing these people out in response to one of my earlier posts on another story)

    Here's a take on new tech I rather like:

    Access providers want to track what everyone is doing online and use it for their commercial advantage. They're developing prioritization technology that will be like a cellphone layer on the internet - able to bill differently for different uses. They're working closely with law enforcement and Hollywood in ways that will make internet use unpredictable and heavily-surveilled. The greatest engine of free speech and democratic outreach the world has ever seen is being co-opted by telephone companies. This isn't good for our future.

    Who said it?

    Susan Crawford, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School. (and founder of OneWebDay)

    So what?

    She has a new job; she'll be working with Kevin Werbach.

    Who's he?

    Kevin Werbach, assistant professor of legal studies and business ethics at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and organizer of the annual Supernova technology conference.

    Yeah - but what's he got to say?

    I put together the first Supernova conference six years ago because, to paraphrase Bob Dylan, we all knew something was happening here, but we didn't know what it was. My conviction was that underneath all the changes - business becoming increasingly distributed, users becoming more knowledgeable, old industry models collapsing, and everything and everybody becoming networked - is one fundamental phenomenon: decentralization.

    At Supernova, we bring together business, government, and technology thought leaders to understand how decentralization and pervasive connectivity are changing our world.

    Alright, that sounds fine - so these two are working together. What are they working on?

    They'll lead the Obama FCC transition team with the responsibility of advising the incoming administration on policy, budget and personnel matters.

    Ideally the ostrichness of the current administration will soon be a thing of the past.

  62. Re:Has he seen how successful it's been in Austral by surgen · · Score: 1

    Correlation does not imply causation.

  63. An exercise in critical thinking... by Snotman · · Score: 1

    Apparently, the speaker was tasked to test the audience to identify fallacies in the speech like generalization, straw man, and red herring. In addition, so little evidence was used to back up assertions, the speaker was to attempt to draw conclusions without evidence. Needless to say, the audience failed to setup a critical thinking firewall, MS service exception, and instead drank the RIAA flavored koolaid.

  64. ITs scary by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    How can someone so factually clueless as Deborah Taylor Tate ever get to be in charge of anything, let alone something so critical as the FCC?
    If this isn't an indicator that the system is totally broken and badly needs repair, then nothing is.

  65. -0.5; slightly offtopic by rdewalt · · Score: 1

    If the RIAA wants to keep me from downloading music, all they have to do is make sure that the only people making music are the "Artists" that appear on MTV's "people to promote" lists. I have yet to even consider the music of Madonna, Brittney Spears, Creed, Coldplay, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Metallica... the list goes on and on.

    "Gosh, nobody is buying our music! It must be piracy! It can't be the fact that the shit we're spitting out like a diseased chorizo grinder is as likely to be listenable as the sounds of chainsaws mating."

    RIAA/MPAA? ProTip: All that merchandise of yours that I didn't buy? It wasn't because I downloaded it like a naughty pirate. It was because you were too busy shoveling shit onto the shelves to notice it wasn't worth the effort of getting it -free- let alone buying.

  66. RIAA Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the same RIAA math that tells me that the government owes me 2 trillion dollars for being staggeringly irresponsible.

    Please write your representative today to tell them that I need those trillions of dollars! There's no time to think about it, we're running out of time!

  67. OK - You're an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Let's run down the list, shall we?
    1. The person may not be in a position to answer. But of course, they will be able to pull out their phone and read your text. Maybe, maybe not. IMNSHO texting isn't much LESS rude than answering, but YMMV.
    2. I may simply want to convey info, like a meeting time or place, a phone #, etc. That does not need a reply. It also saves them the trouble of writing it down. And you assume that they will understand your info-sniglet. How many times have you had to send multiple texts to spell something like this out, pray tell? The telephone is a much wider data pipe.
    3. The person may be out of cell coverage or in a spotty coverage area. It is much easier to get a short text through to someone with very low signal than to try & talk to them. For example I spent 20 minutes trying to give someone a street address, but due to the voice breakup & call dropping just couldn't get it through, so I sent a text.. it took 2 tries & 30 seconds to complete. Yes, that happens occasionally, no doubt about it. How do you know in advance to text instead of call, Kreskin?
    4. I can send a text message to multiple people at one time. True, but not germane to the OP's question. BTW, we usually call that SPAM around here.
    5. I can use my email to send text messages to people, even if I don't have a phone (or am at work, etc.) Or you could send a letter, if you had a stamp and no phone ... again, not germane to the discussion.
    6. I get unlimited (read: FREE) texting, all day, all night, etc... minutes are not free for me in most cases. As the OP pointed out, for HIM texts cost money. Perhaps you should RTFriendlyMessage a little more closely, gentle AC.
    7. Try sending someone a picture or audio file by talking to them on the phone. WTF? Try singing them the "Happy Birthday" song via a text ...
    8. I can store hundreds of text messages, but my voicemail only can handle a limited number of messages or talk time. You ARE kidding, I hope - why in the world would you bother keeping text messages? So you can get dragged into court later? (I'm looking at you, ex-Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick!)
    9. I can forward a text message. I can forward a call.
    10. I have a record of the text message. My cell phone shows me logs, the phone company sends me detailed lists of all calls, and the NSA records all my words (I kid, I kid) - I laugh at your text records.
    11. Maybe I need to communicate with someone I don't WANT to talk to, or someone who will turn a simple "Hi, I'll stop by in 15 minutes" conversation into an hour-long discussion. FFS - learn some people skillz, newb.

    Those are just some reasons off the top of my head. But please, tell me more about how I'm an idiot.

    Please consider yourself told. KTHXBAI.

  68. what the internet needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've said this many times but I'll repeat once again, this general purpose net connection stack tcp/ip has to go. In its place a large defined set of protocols can allow broadcast style networking for the internet savvy consumer, and if Microsoft had the lead in engineering this, you can be sure that most computers would be compatible, and Microsoft could also sell "Microsoft Gateway" products to let Apple participate.

    This set of protocols could allow trusted machines to receive properly licensed and authorized content but still filter out other less useful but more dangerous content/extentions like exe's, zips, tar.gz's, bz2, py, and iso's, and additionally any encrypted content, and the major webserver venders would have to outlaw application/octet mime types to regain control of the internet-turned-piracy haven that the thieves like warez groups and gnu have perverted, not to mention all the pornography and child molesting an open internet produces.

    Its time to make the net safe again for our families and businesses.

  69. weak troll by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    is weak

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    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it