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Is a 'Katrina-Like' Space Storm Brewing?

pilsner.urquell writes "A newly released NASA report warns that the world has forgotten the power of the sun, creating a technological society susceptible like never before to large infrastructure damage from solar storms. According to the report, the world has grown so dependent on modern technologies without respect of what the sun can and has done, that it's risking major communications, finance, transportation, government and even emergency services disruptions."

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  1. I know the solution by alexj33 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Space Carbon Credits are the answer. Make the check out to me.

    1. Re:I know the solution by beckerist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have an honest question:
      How many people here truly think that if there were an anomaly that they would be able to survive without
      A) Electricity
      B) A grocery store
      C) Modern medicine -and most importantly-
      D) Fresh (clean) water

      I know for a fact that I'd safely have A, B and D. I live in the woods anyway, huge garden, plenty of animals to slaughter for tasty bbq and we have a very high water-table with multiple ponds around. Not the cleanest but I'd figure out a way to survive.
      I'm just wondering about statistics here.

    2. Re:I know the solution by mulvane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What do you do when people with guns realize this and force you off your land? I had the same thing at my last place, including 4K of windpower and 2K of solar backed by enough batteries to last me through 3 days. Everything that could be gas was gas. 800gal propane tank. What was I to do when that ran out? Someone would find out I was living comfy and then more people would decide they need what I had more than me.

    3. Re:I know the solution by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Funny

      WRT to item C on your list: birth control pills. It would be a completely different world without that medical wonder. Suddenly having hundreds of millions more fertile women in this world would cause lots o' problems.

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    4. Re:I know the solution by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just to make sure that doesn't happen, you should get yourself some guns too. Plus, back in days before electricity, they had governments that supposedly stopped this type of thing from happening in most instances.

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    5. Re:I know the solution by afabbro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WRT to item C on your list: birth control pills. It would be a completely different world without that medical wonder. Suddenly having hundreds of millions more fertile women in this world would cause lots o' problems.

      Hardly. The vast, vast majority of women on this planet (measured in billions) do not use any form of birth control. A few percentage points' worth more would make zero difference.

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    6. Re:I know the solution by Veggiesama · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many people here truly think that if there were an anomaly that they would be able to survive...

      I live in the woods anyway, huge garden, plenty of animals to slaughter for tasty bbq and we have a very high water-table with multiple ponds around. Not the cleanest but I'd figure out a way to survive.

      Oh, please don't turn this into a zombie apocalypse survivalist fantasy! Yes, yes, your supply of canned goods and guns are going to ensure your survival, while all of us are going to die miserably. Whatever helps you sleep at night!

    7. Re:I know the solution by Reziac · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've lived rough -- no electric, no running water, if I wanted heat I had to chop wood, if I wanted dinner I had to hie myself to the river and catch it. The problem is that now we have too many people for the land to support in that way. I'd be fine, but what the majority would do ... probably riot.

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    8. Re:I know the solution by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      An AC remarks, "Why =wouldn't= you want heat and dinner?"

      Well, I suppose if I'd previously frozen or starved, I'd have no further interest in either subject ;)

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  2. finance by thhamm · · Score: 5, Funny

    "... risking major ... finance, ... disruptions."

    who needs the sun for that?

    1. Re:finance by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm beginning to think that in general, modern society is a Perfect Storm factory.

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    2. Re:finance by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm beginning to think that in general, modern society is a Perfect Storm factory.

      Can you think of any intersections between A) groups who might be in a position to guide modern society that way, B) groups who might want society to end up that way, and C) groups who are positioning themselves to thrive in the aftermath?

      If you were given the opportunity to shape society to prevent such a thing, how would you live? How would you govern yourself if you were trying to systematically disenfranchise people with such goals without having the capacity to point them out? What systems, what supporting technology would you need to make such a lifestyle achievable by your neighbours?

      This is our world, our birthright. We shouldn't have to revert to individual survialism and live with a prejudicial fear of systems and each other. We are capable of better, and we should stand up and take responsibility for ourselves. It's our failure to do so that makes these sorts of nightmare scenarios possible.

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  3. Rather dramatic by DeadPixels · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Space Katrina" sounds rather dramatic, but wouldn't the atmosphere lessen the damage? Granted, it's still a valid concern that should be considered, but TFA seems like it's a bit more "doomsday" and a little less "this could happen".

    1. Re:Rather dramatic by TheKidWho · · Score: 3, Informative

      The damage comes about from EM radiation overloading the power grid. The atmosphere isn't going to do much to stop that.

    2. Re:Rather dramatic by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Informative

      It wouldn't. The damage isn't from the particle cloud itself, it's from the ripples it sets up in the Earth's magnetosphere. This makes the magnetic field move relative to any conductors (like power lines and circuit traces) in it. That causes an electric current to be induced in the conductor. The atmosphere doesn't affect the magnetic field at all, so it won't provide any protection from the disturbance.

    3. Re:Rather dramatic by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lessen? Yes. Could it still be catastrophic? Yes.

      First, every satellite would be "down". That means no GPS. No communication satellites. No weather satellites.

      Second, a violent storm can overload the power grid. Which means days without electricity - assuming important components aren't overloaded and destroyed.

      Third, cell phones, radios and other wireless devices could go down. Your home network will probably be fine. But forget using your 3G phone for anything. Your cordless phone will probably be OK to call emergency services but they won't be able to get them on the radio to tell them where to go.

      So, as long as you don't depend on modern technology, you should be fine.

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    4. Re:Rather dramatic by dtolman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Think the report is kidding around? Go lookup what happened in Quebec on March 13th, 1989. The whole power system was knocked out in seconds. Then go read about the kind of storm they're worried about - the solar storm of 1859.

      It actually caused telegraph wires to short out across Europe and the Americas - some even caught on fire. If that happened now, it would cause global power outages, fried computer equipment (including the ones that control your fancy electronic car), and everything except for milsats in orbit could be knocked out.

      So will people be directly killed? No. But when the fly-by-wire planes fall out of the sky, your new car won't work, your cell phones are dead, power is dead, the internet is down, and landlines fried - I bet it won't take long for a lot of people to die anyway.

    5. Re:Rather dramatic by MatthewCCNA · · Score: 2, Funny

      your cell phones are dead, power is dead, the internet is down, and landlines fried - I bet it won't take long for a lot of people to die anyway.

      The survivors will envy the dead.

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    6. Re:Rather dramatic by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This would give a good incentive for switching over to fiber optics!

    7. Re:Rather dramatic by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Third, cell phones, radios and other wireless devices could go down. Your home network will probably be fine. But forget using your 3G phone for anything. Your cordless phone will probably be OK to call emergency services but they won't be able to get them on the radio to tell them where to go.

      It won't affect terrestrial radio, only satellite communications. If you can call 911 then they have power, if they have power their radios will work. Cell phones won't work well if at all, you'll likely not have any long distance phone service at all.

      It won't bring us back to the stone age, only back to about 1960. It will be an inconvinience, not the end of the world.

    8. Re:Rather dramatic by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It actually caused telegraph wires to short out across Europe and the Americas - some even caught on fire. If that happened now, it would cause global power outages, fried computer equipment (including the ones that control your fancy electronic car), and everything except for milsats in orbit could be knocked out.

      Power outages, yes.

      Fried computers, only if they're plugged in. And even that's questionable, since I'm pretty sure there are surge protectors now that are good enough to protect things from lightning strikes on the power lines.

      Things in orbit, might actually include military stuff (unless they use vacuum tubes or something). The problem here isn't the magnetic fields, it's the charged particles. A transistor can only take so many hits from charged particles before it breaks (depends on how big it is),so the questions are "how old are their chips" and "how many particles/cm^2/s might there be".

    9. Re:Rather dramatic by rhyder128k · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least we'll be able to shoot some politicians into space so that they can show their concern.

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    10. Re:Rather dramatic by dtolman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really? We're about to implement a system where we put more people than ever in the air, thanks to GPS systems and shorter distances between aircraft. When the grid and GPS go down at once, I'm sure they'll all get down safely.

      As for the rest - you been to Vegas lately? Millions of people just waiting for a power outage or a water shortage to wipe them off the map. We've been stuffing millions of people into tiny areas across the globe over the past century, that are not friendly to human habitation - let alone high density habitation, that require long distance transportation of essentials - water, food, etc. Its not sustainable without modern technology (modern being, post electricity).

    11. Re:Rather dramatic by OolimPhon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Confused: levies != levees

    12. Re:Rather dramatic by jonfr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please check the NOAA solar storm warning levels. They explain how far back to the stone age we will go when a big (X level solar flare) is going to hit the Earth.

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/NOAAscales/index.html#GeomagneticStorms

      On the communications. It is not just satellite communications that will get disrupted. But also HF, UHF and other type of communication. Your GSM (2G or 3G really doesn't matter) might work, but then it might not work. It is any body's guess.

      People might be out of power for days or weeks in the worst case.

    13. Re:Rather dramatic by init100 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Once a surge protector trips, its off until its manually reset.

      Not necessarily. Many simple surge protectors just use a couple of varistors and gas discharge tubes connected between the wires. These devices have a variable resistance that is extremely high during normal operation but decreases sharply above a certain threshold voltage, and thus provide a short-circuit path for excess current to take. After the voltage returns to the rated level, the resistance again becomes extremely high, cutting off the short-circuit.

      You are probably confusing surge protectors with circuit breakers. The latter are far too slow to protect sensitive electronics from damage from a voltage surge.

    14. Re:Rather dramatic by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Modern power lines aren't protected at all. They are naked steel cables. Of course that also means that they are unlikely to be damaged unless actually heated red-hot, but the transformers ? Each and every one of them will get the equivalent of a lightning strike simultaneously.

      Transformers and substations have a considerable number of lightning and overvoltage countermeasures. Circuit breakers, arc chutes, etc. Maybe all transformers on the planet will go boom anyway, but there is significant protection available now to the electricity infrastructure against a once in a millenia solar storm.

    15. Re:Rather dramatic by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      since I'm pretty sure there are surge protectors now that are good enough to protect things from lightning strikes on the power lines.

      any company that claims this is bold face lying.

      NOTHING can protect your computer from a direct lightning strike.

      Hell your computer is dead if it's unplugged and sitting on the floor if a big strike nails the ground 200 feet away the EM pulse will pop most of the circuitry. I ahve seen laptops with burned traces on the motherboard that sat on a couch and the lightning struck the tree 50 feet away from the house.

      If anyone or any thing states it can protect you from lightning, It is a complete bold faced lie.

      A lightning strike is so high energy you cant begin to even understand it.

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    16. Re:Rather dramatic by jstott · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It actually caused telegraph wires to short out across Europe and the Americas - some even caught on fire. If that happened now, it would cause global power outages, fried computer equipment (including the ones that control your fancy electronic car), and everything except for milsats in orbit could be knocked out.

      Inductance is proportional to the length of the wire in the magnetic field.

      Telegraph wires had problems in the 1800's because those big long wires can produce some impressive voltage surges. Modern electrical transmission lines have the same problem (although, being a well-known problem, there are circuit breakers and the like already installed to limit the potential damage).

      Your car, on the other hand, will come through just fine — the wires are too short for the voltage surges to amount to anything. Same goes for any other [terrestrial] electronics not actually connected to the power grid or other similar long wires.

      -JS

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  4. Only thing to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess there's only one thing to do - Destroy the sun!

    1. Re:Only thing to do by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, dude, you're almost 30 years too late.

      When I was WUSTL.edu in 1981, the no-nukes movement was in full swing. Their slogan was "Any Amount of Radiation is Dangerous".

      So a bunch of friends and I started a movement called "Stamp Out The Sun", to point out how silly that slogan was.

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    2. Re:Only thing to do by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've got it backwards, but your heart was in the right place. Due to the fact that the sun is MUCH larger than this 12,000km shield, the shadow will actually get smaller as it gets closer to the sun.

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  5. And now for something completely different by jerep · · Score: 5, Funny

    A study funded by NASA has flagged up yet another terrible hazard for those no longer able to get excited about nuclear war, global pandemics, terrorism, climate change, economic meltdown and asteroid strike.

    I for one welcome our weekly disaster overlords.

  6. confirmed by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    spacecraftconfirmsit

  7. Re:Life on Earth by DeadPixels · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nothing says "you screwed up" like a nice plague!

  8. Cold War & EMP by gpronger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the height of the cold war, this was one of the concerns. As I recall the detonation of a nuclear device in space would cause a massive EMF pulse (Electro-Magnetic force Pulse) that could trash electronics. (Yes, one on the ground is obviously much worse, but this would allow a government to "blind" an enemy without collateral damage.)

    It seems that with the end of the cold war, and the fact that an EMP can occur naturally, has been forgotten.

    Greg P

  9. There's no Canada like French Canada by i_ate_god · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quebec knows what they're talking about.

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    1. Re:There's no Canada like French Canada by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, I live in Québec and I've never had any such prob{#`AX%$G{%5&`+'2h${`%&NO CARRIER

  10. the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by converter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It really, really bugs me. A lot. I know they are only using it to give the impression of a powerful and disastrous storm. It just seems that likening a coronal mass ejection to a "katrina-like" event is as realistic as likening a tornado to that little swirl in your bathtub drain.

    1. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by mcatrage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about them using the term Katrina at all. Just because a bad thing happened to Americans doesn't mean it's the worst natural disaster ever.

    2. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by MalHavoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No kidding. As bad as Katrina was, it's hard to equate that particular disaster with the Tsunami that occurred on December 26, 2004 during which hundreds of thousands died.

    3. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by Kozz · · Score: 4, Funny

      It was the best the author could do, under the circumstances. It was exceedingly difficult to draw comparisons with Libraries of Congress, Volkswagen Beetles or football fields.

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    4. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by dtolman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is the term inapropriate here? Just like Katrina, the authors are describing a serious, but forseeable weather event, that could be almost completely mitigated with better planning.

      Plus Katrina was one of the bigger hurricanes you could expect to see, while the event they describe is one of the bigger CME's you could expect to see... seems like a good analogy all around (except one effects a small area and dunks a small city, and the other the entire world and will destroy civilization as we know it).

    5. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree. People that use hyperbole are worse than Hitler.

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    6. Re:the term "katrina-like" makes me angry... by ShadowBlasko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would not say that.
      For the most part, there was no way to save most of the victims of the tsunami.
      Many of the victims of Katrina could well have been saved had their been ample planning and communication in regards to a disaster that they knew was coming sometime.
      Most of the deaths of Katrina were caused by failure to plan, failure to listen, or failure to implement disaster plans.

      I can see where the author is coming from.

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  11. Bread by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given that (a) the average journey for food items from production to plate is supposedly over 1000 miles in my country, (b) I live in area with few farms, and (c) Space Katrina is going to knock out transportation and probably the electical grid (I have an electric stove and oven), I have to wonder: Can the smoker I got for Christmas be used to bake bread? And what other essentials should I stock up on?

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    1. Re:Bread by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the standard protocol for these sorts of things is to sell everything you own, stockpile as many guns as possible, and move into a cabin somewhere deep in the mountains. Disconnect from all power sources, and discontinue use of any electronic devices. Grow or hunt all your own food, and try to avoid contact with the outside world as much as possible. Also, if you could learn to enjoy drinking your own urine, that would be a big help.

    2. Re:Bread by lazlo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can the smoker I got for Christmas be used to bake bread?

      Well, yes it can. You can bake bread in just about anything that you can keep sufficiently hot for sufficiently long. But I'm curious why you believe flour would be more easily obtainable than other foodstuffs? I know that in my area, there are a few farms that I believe have wheat in their crop rotation. I have no idea where the closest mill is, but any non-electrical mills are likely to be historical sites that are probably non-functional.

      And then there's the big question: between you and all of your neighbors, what do you have that's so much more valuable to that farmer and miller that he will choose to trade the portion of his wheat in excess of his own needs to you for instead of them?

      Here's something to chew on: From a little bit of research, it appears that in the US, there are approximately 4 acres of farmland per capita. Given a long-term transportation failure, look around you (if you live anywhere near a city), and think about how many people would have to die (through starvation, violence, plague, whatever) before you could devote 16 acres to feeding a family of four. Granted, those 4 acres include farms for things like timber and cotton, which you might not need immediately, but it's also 4 acres of land being farmed by a professional farmer using modern farming techniques and machinery. If civilization does falter, an incomprehensibly huge number of people will die, and those that are left will learn a whole lot about how to make food.

      And what other essentials should I stock up on?

      I remember my old boss would, whenever a temporary disaster seemed likely (hurricanes or elections, mostly), stock up on three basics: ammunition, whiskey, and cigarettes. The ammo makes some sense, as it can be used both for defense and, at least in theory, hunting. Alcohol has at least some use recreationally, medically, and as a trade good. Given that he didn't smoke, the cigarettes were purely for trade. Not saying that's a good plan, but it is an interesting one.

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    3. Re:Bread by shentino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Drinking your own urine doesn't actually help you all that much. Since the saline concentration of your pee matches pretty well what's already in your blood, all you're doing is retaining the same salt that your body is trying to get rid of.

      Recently, urine drinkage was disadvised by survival experts.

    4. Re:Bread by Synn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I live in Florida. We've had several storms hit us that would knock out power for people for months at a time. I lived in Fort Lauderdale a couple years back and we had a category 3 take out all but 1 traffic light in the entire county.

      I'd say the state is probably one of the better prepared one for disasters. When the cat 3 took out Fort Lauderdale, the local Publix was open the next day selling groceries.

      For myself, I very much make sure to keep around enough food and water for myself for at least a week. You can buy freeze dried food in large cans that will last 30 years or more. I buy Mountain House food and it's useful for camping too: http://beprepared.com/

      Buy a radio of some sort you can wind up. Having a reliable radio around in a disaster is 100% needed. It'll be your source of information and it'll keep you from getting bored. Some of these radios also have lights on them, which again is nice to have. A light that doesn't use batteries.

      When I think a storm is going to hit, I stock up on snacks. Candies and other goodies are a big comfort. Have around non electric means of staying entertained, like books, etc.

      I also have a water purifier, but I bought that mostly for camping/kayaking and not for survival since hurricanes aren't sudden and you can stock up on water before they hit.

      But basically, figure out your basics, and keep stocked up on those. Canned foods. Dry foods. Sterno or a camp stove to boil water. Stored water or a way to purify water.

      Then don't ignore the comforts. Just surviving is really boring. Snacks, books, a radio that isn't tied to batteries, etc etc are all really important.

      If you're thinking really long term survival... learn to hunt and fish. You can buy a 22 rifle and a milk jug full of ammo for dirt cheap. You won't be taking down any deer with it, but squirrels are everywhere and they taste just fine.

  12. Re:Coming from the top space brainboxes... by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hahah, yeah, somewhere on a distant world there's an alien Heinlein writing a novel about capturing the meatbags' top space brainboxes

  13. Mr. Faraday reporting by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously guys, I figured this out ages ago... -Faraday

    1. Re:Mr. Faraday reporting by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey you, how did you get out?! Get back in your cage!!!

  14. Re:Life on Earth by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Screw cyberpunk, we're switching to steampunk!

  15. Katrina by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is a 'Katrina-Like' Space Storm Brewing?

    Man, New Orleans can't catch a freaking break!

  16. Arthur C Clarke anyone? by thebheffect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At least he didn't forget. One of the events he mentioned in his writings was the massive corruption of magnetically stored data. I believe it was his 2001 series (2001, 2010, etc...) where he mentioned a devastating solar storm that wiped out a vast majority of Earth's digital records.

    1. Re:Arthur C Clarke anyone? by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are they safe from solar storms? Yes. If a solar storm strong enough to fry your CDs hits, your main concerns will be finding oxygen to breathe, keeping your DNA in one piece, and should you tell your doctor about the annoying way you glow in the dark.

      Note, however, that CDs naturally degrade over a period of from 3-20 years depending on the brand. So there's a good chance they won't survive until the next solar maximum anyway. But don't blame the sun.

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  17. I hope it happens. by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Private and semi-private energy companies, like all lnstitutions promoted by competition to cut costs, suffer the malady of products and infrastructure "built by the lowest bidder".

    Because of the nature of pure capitalism and even mixed economies, it is against the interests of any individual actor to create a more robust electronic infrastructure.

    This is a role for the dreaded "R" word..ok i'll say it.. RRRegulation.

    This is why i hope a solar storm like the one this article fear-mongers about happens.

    When it does, various electronic infrastructure companies (power, telecom, etc) will happily welcome a law which sets a minimum level of EMP hardening and other standards.

    It's important to note that, despite raising their costs a bit, it won't matter to them so long as their competition suffers the same way.

    The cost will likely be passed on to the consumer, but "main street" will also be happy to pay an extra 3 bucks on a few bills knowing region-wide blackouts of power, phone, and internet will no longer be common, especially with a catastrophic failure fresh in their minds.

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  18. Kanye West says: by G-Man · · Score: 4, Funny

    "George Bush doesn't care about BlackBerries."

    1. Re:Kanye West says: by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Kanye West was wrong. George Bush cares about Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Condoleesa Rice, Barack Obama, and their ilk. It's poor people George Bush don't like, and their skin color is unimportant.

      Racism is a tool of the rich, meant to take your eye of the real problem, classism, and meant to keep poor and middle class whites and blacks at each others' throats so they won't see the REAL enemy, the rich bastards who are keeping the poor and middle class of all races down.

      Bernie Madoff stole fifty billion dollars and got out on ten million bail, if I get caught stealing fifty thousand dollars will I get out on ten dollars bail? And why am I the only one asking that question?

  19. My bogus hypothesis by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The world has become so covered by interconnecting copper wire, it has become a massive Faraday cage and is impervious to such threat.

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    1. Re:My bogus hypothesis by evanbd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oddly enough, that is precisely the problem. A Faraday cage works because the conductive shield allows eddy currents to flow, which create fields in opposition to the original event. This prevents things inside the cage from seeing what happened outside. Unfortunately, the cage in this case is our power grid -- and the eddy currents in it are precisely the things causing concern.

  20. Re:Just a thought by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right. If people had lower taxes, the first thing they'd think of to spend the money on would be EMP-resistant electronics.

    They would forgo extra vacations, faster cars, Jacuzzis, expensive Champagne and plastic surgery, so that they could upgrade to a rad-hardened TV set. They would show off their Faraday-enclosed gear at parties to impress their friends.

    I'm 100% confident that's what everyone would do, and solar storms would be no longer be a risk to anyone.

  21. Re:Another fine mess... by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

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  22. Answer the summary by colmore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In answer to the ridiculous summary:

    No, a "Katrina-like" space storm is not brewing, because for a storm to remotely resemble an Atlantic Hurricane, it would need to occur inside of a frikkin' atmosphere.

    Bad journalism should be painful to the perpetrator.

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    In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
  23. Never under estimate the power of a gun by east+coast · · Score: 2, Funny

    According the report, the world has grown so dependent on modern technologies without respect of what the sun can and has done, that it's risking major communications, finance, transportation, government and even emergency services disruptions

    That's why I keep a loaded AK by my home servers and my passport is right beside my 45.

    --
    Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
  24. I can imagine the uproar... by mindwanderer · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...in the World of Warcraft forums when this happens. I predict threats of cancellation for inadequate solar-storm protection and demands for a punch-card character-backup system.

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    :wq
  25. Buy Camping Gear! by nevdullc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But seriously folkes.. if all the lights went out tomorrow, what shape would you be in..?

    --
    Cthulhu Saves -- in case He's hungry later.
  26. Is a 'Katrina-Like' Space Storm Brewing? by jav1231 · · Score: 2

    It better hurry! Only 8 more days to blame it on Bush! :p

    I know, I know...troll / flaimbait but not funny. *sigh*

  27. Re:Communication? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > Most of the long distance shit uses fiberoptics...

    Aren't the repeaters powered by wire run in the cable? If so, and if the runs are long enough, the magnetic storms will zap them.

    > ...and a lot of the short distance stuff is underground...

    Makes no difference. The problem is currents induced in long cables when the Earth's magnetic field wiggles around as it interacts with solar storms.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  28. Destroy the sun by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We must destroy the sun immediately to avoid these disasters (it will also correct global warming).

    The Amish manage to live without electricity, perhaps we should learn how to live without it ourselves for a few weeks. That skill might come in useful in the future.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  29. Hurricane Katrina/Ike by agpc · · Score: 4, Informative

    I lived through Hurricane Ike and have several relatives who lived through Hurricane Katrina. We went 14 days without electricity and I came really close to losing my mind. Two things I learned: 1. the worst part of not having electricity is not the lack of air condition (although that did very much suck). The worst part was the darkness at night. Basic tasks become impossible in the dark. Once the sun sets you go to sleep because there isn't much else to do. Flashlights are great until you forget where you put the flashlight and its pitch black. Cell phones are very useful for illumination until they lose their charge. 2. Ice is the most valuable commodity when you don't have electricity. Stores will eventually restock bottled water, canned food, ect... Ice was the one product that I saw people literally fighting over and huge pallets of it would disappear within minutes of being placed. Another thing - if you are involved in a massive disruption you are pretty much on your own in that you cannot rely on police or ambulance to come to your aid - they are overwhelmed. One good aspect of the whole ordeal was that I met and *gasp* actually talked to many of my neighbors. It was interesting to see that human beings are actually quite good at banding together during times of extreme duress. Of course, once the power was restored we went back to our indifferent ways but at least I know my neighbors now! Finally, contrary to popular belief, there was no mass hysteria, no large group of roving bandits breaking into stores or looting homes. I have a feeling that potential criminals knew they would have been shot on site because people were on edge. This is Texas after all.

  30. Why no shielded cars? by smeseema · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can understand the complexity of shielding every electronics piece in the telecom / power industry, but is there a reason in this day and age that cars are not shielded? You're insulated from the ground by the tires, just strap on some chicken wire and you've got a rolling faraday cage.