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So Who's Running Apple Now?

An anonymous reader writes "With Steve Jobs stepping down from heading Apple for at least six months who's running the company that he resurrected? This article names the three people who will try to keep things running. But you have to wonder whether they'll have the charisma needed to keep Apple cool..."

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  1. Did I miss the news? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did Steve Jobs die?

    What's that? He didn't?

    With all the breathless coverage about whether Apple can survive, you could have fooled me.

    Just because he's not releasing hourly reports of his health doesn't mean he secretly has a recurrence of cancer with a vengeance, or that he's on his deathbed.

    At some point, though, Apple will have to overcome the (incorrect) perception that "Steve Jobs is Apple", and that without him, Apple will most certainly fail (though the Apple haters have the gloat machine in full swing). No doubt he's a visionary and apparently an effective CEO, but Apple can survive without Jobs...as long as they keep concentrating on things they're good at, and not wandering aimlessly into dozens of disparate and mundane product areas, as was the case under Amelio.

    The main thing Jobs did was streamline the business to a few things Apple is good at. Sure he's got charisma by the truckload, cachet as a Silicon Valley luminary, and sway with media heavyweights in Hollywood and elsewhere. But arriving at a sensible business model was his main achievement -- and one that has worked remarkably well for Apple, with nearly all metrics breaking records for several years now.

    That said, Jobs' condition -- not being able to absorb protein from food -- is an extremely common result for the type of procedure that he had. In the Whipple procedure, part of the pancreas and duodenum are removed. As a result, enzymes required to allow the body to digest proteins and fats are reduced. Thus, the weight loss that is extremely common in persons who have had this procedure.

    Unfortunately, Jobs' first course of action is to do things like eating raw vegetables and consulting Eastern practitioners, rather than actually getting medical care that can solve this issue. (I also think he meant "enzyme imbalance", not "hormone imbalance", given what we know about his condition.)

    Apple will continue to be successful, with or without Steve Jobs as CEO, as long as it doesn't lose sight of doing what it's good at.

    The main issue Apple will have to overcome is the perception issue surrounding Jobs. Case-in-point: on the NBC Nightly News last night, Brian Williams talked for several minutes about dismal news about the economy, devastating job losses, thoughts from economists about how this won't end in 2009, dreary report after dreary report, a ceaseless drumbeat of doom and gloom...until he said (paraphrasing, here) this: by far the most shocking news, shocking I tell you, was that Apple CEO Steve Jobs would be stepping down for a medical leave of absence, and a dedicated story segment followed, complete with Maria Bartiromo from the Exchange floor.

    When you've got a cult of personality like that, how can you escape it?

    1. Re:Did I miss the news? by Daswolfen · · Score: 5, Funny

      fact is apple needs a successor.

      I don't think Bill Gates is doing anything important right now...

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    2. Re:Did I miss the news? by retech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Much like Edison Electric didn't fold when he died. Or Ford Motor Company hasn't rolled over and died. You can go on ad nauseam with examples. I do not know why this continues to be such a big deal.

    3. Re:Did I miss the news? by sweatyboatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I accept your point that Steve Jobs is not the be-all end-all of Apple. But your prescription for Apple's continued success does not jive with Apple's actual history.

      Apple was once just a computer company. They sold over-priced proprietary machines with one-button mice to graphic designers. That company was pretty much moribund.

      Now they sell music and phones and they do it better than anyone else in the market. They are a media darling and are rolling in cash. Jobs has received much of the credit (probably rightfully so).

      The question is, without Jobs' mystical ability to divine the next big thing, will Apple be able to follow up on the iPhone (as the iPhone followed up the iPod)? Or will they stagnate by continuing to merely focus on what they've been good at in the past?

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    4. Re:Did I miss the news? by INTERNET+EXPERT · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Apple just want to get big among costumers all they need to do is to start selling the OS and applications for any computer

      I agree. The "one size fits all" mentality, that seems to be the norm at Apple, is instantly shot down in the costume industry.

    5. Re:Did I miss the news? by robthebloke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hans Reiser's going to be doing nothing twiddling his thumbs for the next few years as well....

    6. Re:Did I miss the news? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      as long as they keep concentrating on things they're good at, and not wandering aimlessly into dozens of disparate and mundane product areas

      ...like a portable MP3 player, an online record store, a UNIX-based operating system that runs on Intel processors, and a cell phone. Wandering into those areas would definitely be bad for the company.

      Oh wait.

      Sometimes wandering into new areas is a good thing - you just have to know which new areas to wander into, and which ones to avoid. Jobs has been good at that.

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    7. Re:Did I miss the news? by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think Microsoft and Apple have been looking forward to this day for a long time. Think about it Silverlight sounds so shiny, iTunes only needs to change one letter to become iZunes, and this way Microsoft won't need to program their OS for that pesky extra mouse button.

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    8. Re:Did I miss the news? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well said. One other comment that I'll make is that in the last ten years or so, it's obvious that Apple has invested some money into Research & Development. One reason I think Apple has such a cult following is that there is something to follow. When was the last time you got excited about a new Dell product offering? I know the last time I was, it was when they released their 2005 FPW widescreen monitors (I bought one). But then, it wasn't excitement for a new product so much as, oh good, Dell now has similar monitor offerings as others (*cough* apple cinema *cough*) for much cheaper. Granted, I haven't been following Dell a lot lately, but Apple actually does have new and innovative ideas they put into their products, and that's been incredibly refreshing when some other formerly innovative companies (e.g., HP) have spun-off or canceled their R&D programs all together and prefer to sell rebranded LG televisions.

      Often on slashdot we read comments about how Apple is just selling commodity hardware. Nobody who actually owns an macbook pro would say that, or an ipod touch or an iphone. The reason is that they can look beyond just the processor speed and ram and actually see the magsafe connector, or the firewire 800, or the accelerometer that shuts down the hard drive when the laptop falls or whatever $FEATURE that the competition left out of their $500 notebook. The best way I can put it, is that watching those keynote addresses in the 2000s has been like the early days of computers, when they were fun, rather than a mundane commodity. (E.g., here's one of Phil Schiller jumping from ~20 feet up up with a macbook to demonstrate the accelerometer.)

      The question is, how much did Steve jobs have to do with that? Obviously, the same hardware engineers and programmers are still working at Apple. How much did Jobs need to persuade the board of Apple to put the time into being innovative rather than pursue more short-term gains that would be good for the quarterly results? I don't know. I do know that at least one board member, Al Gore, does have the vision and the patience for long-term gains. (Al Gore trolls, you can go straight to hell.)

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    9. Re:Did I miss the news? by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hans Reiser's going to be doing nothing twiddling his thumbs for the next few years as well....

      Cool, Apple will finally be able to overcome the pesky filesystem limitations that have been holding the iPod back ;)

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    10. Re:Did I miss the news? by Firehed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, Steve named Tim Cook as his acting replacement until he comes back in June, so that would probably be a good place to start looking.

      And it's not like Jobs is the only Apple enthusiast at the company.

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    11. Re:Did I miss the news? by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine that: Bill Gates became Apple's CEO. Then he brings his old company for a merge. Completing the utopia, a joint venture with Google will form the mighty GooAppleSoft.

      WOOOOSH!

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    12. Re:Did I miss the news? by dzfoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or AppleSoftGoo.

      On second thought, ewwww!
              -dZ.

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    13. Re:Did I miss the news? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      At last, someone capable of giving the iPhone the killer app it's been missing all this time!

    14. Re:Did I miss the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That brings new meaning to the term iPod killer.

    15. Re:Did I miss the news? by Ragzouken · · Score: 5, Funny

      Micrapoogle

    16. Re:Did I miss the news? by WCguru42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      GooAppleSoft

      GAS? I don't know if that'd pass the marketing execs smell test. Baa Dum Ching. I keed, I keed.

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    17. Re:Did I miss the news? by hierophanta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i hope you realize that /. has more than just an American audience, and that this is a very good thing: regardless if their English isn't as good as yours or mine. i would appreciate it if you wouldn't berate people just for the sake of berating them so that people who don't have great English skills don't feel like they aren't wanted here. they are wanted here, it is attitudes like the one expressed above that are not

    18. Re:Did I miss the news? by WCguru42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Apple just want to get big among costumers all they need to do is to start selling the OS and applications for any computer.

      You obviously don't understand Apple's business model.

      Apple was never about market dominance in the computer industry since Steve Jobs returned. They have been about margins, incredibly lucrative profit margins. They achieved that by having superior customer service (especially in the eye's of the unknowledgeable computer user) and nice computers. They threw away the cheap variety that Dell/HP/Gateway etc. offered and decided they would make a select few systems and market and sell them like crazy. I don't know the numbers but I would assume that on a per-purchase basis apple spends considerably more on marketing than any other computer firm.

      The iPod is a completely different beast but that doesn't really apply to your statement because you were talking about software, and that the iPod is not.

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    19. Re:Did I miss the news? by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Gooplesoft.

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    20. Re:Did I miss the news? by mckinnsb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The main thing Jobs did was streamline the business to a few things Apple is good at. Sure he's got charisma by the truckload, cachet as a Silicon Valley luminary, and sway with media heavyweights in Hollywood and elsewhere. But arriving at a sensible business model was his main achievement -- and one that has worked remarkably well for Apple, with nearly all metrics breaking records for several years now.

      I agree completely, but I would personally put greater emphasis on the fact that when Jobs re-took Apple's helm, they were in a desperate need of person who would be perceived as a phoenix-like leader who could resurrect their once powerful company from its impending doom. This is probably precisely why some people erroneously assume that the death of Jobs will mean the death of Apple, because he had so much to do with its rebirth. However, a majority of Apple's customer base knows no other Apple but the One Jobs Built Yet Know Not His Name. Does your average iBook wielding, iPod sporting college student really know who Jobs is, and how important he was to the revival of the company? No. Do they like their flashy toys? You bet. Will they buy another one when their last toy broke? Probably.

      Oh, and Jobs & Co. managed to convince Microsoft to invest $150 million into the company in 1997, which was effectively announced as a "truce", and helps to underline the fact that Apple was not resurrected by only one man. Read this old Time Magazine article http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,986850,00.html/ (about Microsoft's deal) and this one http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,986849,00.html/ (focusing more on Steve Jobs) - both are in the same issue. I remember it pretty vividly as I was a teenager at the time who was the only kid in school with a Macintosh. At the time, the Apple fanatics (these were *true* apple fanatics, the ones that kept the company on life support for years who make many 'fanboys' today look like milquetoasts) booed at the decision, but I don't believe anyone except for perhaps Steve Jobs and a few others actually knew what it signified. It meant that Apple was essentially withdrawing from the big business game, and Microsoft would help Apple get more into the "Home" game by porting Microsoft Office to the Mac OS - the game that Apple originally started out playing in the first place. It also helped that Apple had a *lot* of good press from Time. I'm not aware of any large joint-stock holders that had large investments in both companies, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

      The main issue Apple will have to overcome is the perception issue surrounding Jobs. Case-in-point: on the NBC Nightly News last night, Brian Williams talked for several minutes about dismal news about the economy, devastating job losses, thoughts from economists about how this won't end in 2009, dreary report after dreary report, a ceaseless drumbeat of doom and gloom...until he said (paraphrasing, here) this: by far the most shocking news, shocking I tell you, was that Apple CEO Steve Jobs would be stepping down for a medical leave of absence, and a dedicated story segment followed, complete with Maria Bartiromo from the Exchange floor. When you've got a cult of personality like that, how can you escape it?

      Personally I feel that Apple does not need Jobs any more - they have captured the attention of the market that they have always wanted to serve , casual users and people willing to shell out extra cash for fewer headaches at home. They will survive even in this horrific economy because while people are willing to take fewer risks these days, people will still need personal computers at home. This means that they will look more for reliability, and I will bet that they will be willing to spend a premium on a computer that they percie

    21. Re:Did I miss the news? by Spaseboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What Steve Jobs has been good at is saying that Apple would not be good at specific areas, then having people scream and shout about how much they want those products after Apple has said they would not make those products.

      That man is above all else a showman. He is the PT Barnum of our time. I am not saying that Apple products are not top notch, I have all of them, but what I am saying is he knows how to get what he wants out of people and that is RARE in ANY industry let alone the tech industry.

      Did you see the pud at the Pre launch? That guy had as much charisma as my bath soap.

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    22. Re:Did I miss the news? by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

      Steve needs to be using the iPotty, with RSS feed.

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    23. Re:Did I miss the news? by oatworm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does your dick look good in a turtleneck? Does your dick always provide "one more thing" right at the end? Can your dick keep a conference room of people enthralled for hours at a time? Is your dick anal retentive?

      If so, I would like to meet your dick.

    24. Re:Did I miss the news? by Sfing_ter · · Score: 3, Funny

      why yes it does thank you, comes with it's own turtleneck.

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  2. It's not charisma by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's vision. Steve Jobs was able to lead his teams to build products that people wanted. Through constant focus on the user and the user's experience, Apple was able to grab a huge majority of the portable music player market. Their focus on ease of use and "just works" capabilities garnered them a significant chunk of the PC market.

    These are not because Jobs is especially charismatic (though he is). He was simply able to get his employees to stop thinking about features and capabilities. He got them to think instead about the tasks that users would want to do and then find the best way to let them do it.

    1. Re:It's not charisma by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Also while Steve Jobs is a techie, he himself isn't a programmer or engineer. His approach to products is that of an average person. He has always tried to get the technical side to understand that Apple has to design for average people. Look at their successes:
      • Macintosh: OS and UI designed for an average person not wanting to type in commands.
      • iPod: portable media player with a UI designed for an average person. Form factor dictated by what an average person would want.
      • iTunes: music (and later other media) software and distribution system designed for ease of use to an average person.
      • iPhone: smart phone with a UI designed for an average person. If you've ever used another smart phone, you'd know how maddeningly simple an iPhone is compared to other smart phones.

      Where Jobs is not liked and even hated was his perfectionism and abrasiveness in getting what he wanted. I think that after he was forced out of Apple, he didn't so much learn hubris as he understood that idealism aside, a company has to make money and that idealism has to be compromised sometimes for practicality.

      Take for instance the G4 Cube. Rumors has it that was Steve Job's personal favorite. But it didn't sell well at all and was replaced by the Mac mini. The former Steve Jobs might have kept it in the market longer despite poor sales. The newer one allowed it to be retired.

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  3. stevejobs != apple by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Steve is just one employee out of thousands. He didn't design the ipod, or the iphone, or any of the macs. He didn't build the chips, he didn't write os x, and he didn't figure out how to make a laptop shell out of a single piece of aluminum. Sure, it was his "vision" that has guided the company the past decade, but the hard work has been done by the same set of employees who were there last week. I fully expect nothing to change in his absence.

    1. Re:stevejobs != apple by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... you don't remember the 90s when Steve Jobs was not with Apple, and the company almost went bankrupt?

    2. Re:stevejobs != apple by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could say the same of Fidel Castro. He's just one person in a country.

      But if it comes down to accepting or rejecting the design of the iPod, the iPhone or any of the Macs then yes. It does matter.

      He didn't figure out how to make a laptop out of a single piece of a aluminum, but he's the one that dictated that he wanted it done.

  4. Um...Tim Cook, anyone? by danaris · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reader Bastian227 adds a link to this letter from Steve Jobs on Apple's website, which also says that Tim Cook will be responsible for daily operations, though Jobs will remain involved with major strategic decisions.

    Less than 24 hours ago on Slashdot, emphasis mine.

    Hello, are you stupid, people?

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  5. How is Apples "cool"? by east+coast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the people on the street buying Apple really know who Jobs is? Is he the cool factor for Apple?

    I think once we get outside the little geek and nerd demograph of Slashdot you'll find that a majority of Apple's cashflow has less to do with Jobs and more to do with that little logo. Hell, if it was up to Slashdot "cool" they would bring back Woz!

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    1. Re:How is Apples "cool"? by Khemisty · · Score: 2, Funny
    2. Re:How is Apples "cool"? by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do the people on the street buying Apple really know who Jobs is?

      Yes, absolutely. Not all of them, but the ones drooling over Apple's latest products, certainly. Steve Jobs is the man who announced those products to the public.

      Is he the cool factor for Apple?

      Not entirely. The cool factor is inherent in the products themselves, and Jobs has a lot to do with that; internally he's directly responsible for a lot of the design decisions that result in a "cool" product, and externally he's the charismatic figure that enthusiastically shows the world how cool it is. Plenty of other people can do the latter, but the former is a rare gift.

      I think once we get outside the little geek and nerd demograph of Slashdot you'll find that a majority of Apple's cashflow has less to do with Jobs and more to do with that little logo.

      This is true, but the logo is "cool" because Jobs pushed the company to make "cool" products which have become associated with the logo. That alone will bring them success in the next several years, but beyond that, they have to keep doing "cool" things, or the logo will lose its meaning. Personally I think Apple will still be able to do some very cool things without Jobs at the helm, and there's a chance they might even be able to do more cool things (things that Jobs didn't think would be cool enough, but the rest of us might like). Some people disagree. Time will tell.

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    3. Re:How is Apples "cool"? by somethingwicked · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do the people on the street buying Apple really know who Jobs is?

      Of course. After a few movies, and doing that NBC show ED, he's been in a junkload of popular commercials with that guy from the Daily Show.

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  6. Didn't he do it all? by retech · · Score: 4, Funny

    I heard he mined the minerals and metals himself. Smelted and forged them. Used his own personal laser pointer to hand cut every chip. Speaks in code to a special computer that compiles it on the fly. And then hand assembles each and every Apple devise.

    How will they carry on without him?

    1. Re:Didn't he do it all? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard he kisses every Ipod before it's placed in the packaging.

  7. Apple doesn't need cool, they just need Itunes. by t0qer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    During Jobs last tenure at Apple, he did something incredible. He convinced a majority of record labels, artists, and producers to sell music electronically. Remember, this happened *AFTER* the music industry got a swift kick in the ass from the first round of P2P apps.

    Though not the first to do it, it was the amount of music available on Itunes that got everyone else to do the lemmings thing, and jump aboard. Apple has secured themselves as a modern day music distributor.

    Thank you for making it less sucky to get music Mr Jobs. I think it will be hard for anyone to screw up the perpetuating awesomeness that you created. Have a nice rest sir.

  8. Oblig Simpsons quote by genner · · Score: 3, Funny

    What happened to you apple you used to be cool?

  9. Who cares? by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As long as Apple makes products that work for me, I'll keep buyin' em, no matter who they trot out to talk about it.

    Why did Jobs wear the black turtleneck when doing the keynotes? Style? Hardly. He blended better into the background. That way whatever he was holding would show up better.

    If you're a company selling products, it's all about the products. To me, Apple products do everything I need and more; this is why I'm a fan of the company.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Itninja · · Score: 2, Funny

      I smell a fanboy. I bet you will love this recently revealed CES innovation.

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    2. Re:Who cares? by abigor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because great products are more than just a list of features. And your quality argument is absurd.

    3. Re:Who cares? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 3, Funny

      Simply amazing. One Apple fan praises Apple because it "does what he wants and more", the next comes in to someone countering that with examples of products that do more at a lower price with "well, less features is good!

      No, fewer features does not decrease usability, necessarily, and the point is moot because most people with Ipods don't seem to have even considered or looked at the competition to even determine if it has greater usability or not. If usability was such a big deal then people wouldn't buy a product locked-in to iTunes. Seriously, there's no excuse for that; many if not most other music players have simple drag-and-drop functionality.

      Let me compare the mp3 players to give you an example of what they have that Ipods do not. Many mp3 players, such as the Zen, Fuze, and Cowon D2 have SDHC/micoSDHC expandability. I guess having an expandability makes it harder to use?

      Having FM Tuners makes them more difficult to use?

      Simple voice recorders?

      In some, ogg and flac support...?!

      Having some other features does not make them more difficult to use. Just read the reviews, many of these mp3 players are easy to use. I own a Fuze and it's not at all difficult. Of course, you haven't even read the reviews, have you? I'm betting you're talking out of your ass.

      The fact that you even need to bring up "winning form factor and styling" as being superior over features says a lot. I really do think that's "styling" is what gets you, that Apple-logo on the product. Other music players have similar styles or are just as easy to use.

    4. Re:Who cares? by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. All those things make it harder to design a cohesive interface that does what people want.

      Most people don't give a flying fuck about removable SD cards, OGG support, voice recording, FM tuners or a particular PC software player. They want something they can hook up to their computer and get music they got from something they put a CD in to get music, or clicked a button to get music. That is what 90% of the people buying players want, and they want it to be easy.

      Which is why they buy iPods, not other players that come with shitty PC software and are full of hard-to-navigate menus full of features they don't give a crap about.

      I've used a number of other players. I've tried the Walkman, the iRiver and a Sansa. I mean, really tried. I used the iRiver for a year and a half. And the iPod is hands down, *much* easier to use than any of those.

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    5. Re:Who cares? by Americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you're absolutely right. In fact, they could have just slapped an Apple logo on a completely functionless plastic mockup of an ipod, and sold hundreds of millions of them worldwide.

      And that would work for the same reason that people would buy a BMW if it had square tires and was fueled by candy corn, of course! Or for the same reason that people would buy a Volvo if looking at the car the wrong way would cause it to crash and burst into flames!

      Does Apple do a great job of marketing? Absolutely.
      Is the marketing overblown and hyperbolic? Often.
      Would they be so profitable if there wasn't some substance to back up that reputation? Not a chance.

      On a related note, without the Apple iPod, how would you be able to feel smugly superior to the sheeple who don't have the refined taste and discernment that you obviously do?

      You are not your consumer lifestyle. Identifying yourself as "anti-Apple" is just as fucking ridiculous as defining yourself as "pro-Apple". If the product doesn't do what you want, spend your money on one of the many alternatives that has the feature list you want, and get some perspective.

  10. BRING BACK WOZ by oGMo · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean seriously.

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  11. Disney & Jobs by sertsa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This whole thing reminds me of how Walt Disney's passing affected his company.

    Basically Disney lost direction, stopped making new animated movies, and hoped that revenues from merchandise and attendance at Disneyland kept the bills paid.

    All of this changed of course with Michael Eisner's taking the reins. How did he do it? Aside from his business savvy (something that shouldn't be minimized) he looked back at the way Walt ran the show and continually asked himself what would Walt do.

    It didn't last forever, but as everyone mac fan knows the cult of personality around Steve has a basis in the fact that Steve has vision and ruthlessly pursues that vision until it is achieved.

    Apple is going to either need someone with a vision and business acuity equal to Jobs, or someone who is able to channel Jobs like Eisner did Disney. ;-)

    I'm not seeing that in any of the people listed in the article.

    BTW - isn't Steve on Disney's board?

    1. Re:Disney & Jobs by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple is going to either need someone with a vision and business acuity equal to Jobs, or someone who is able to channel Jobs like Eisner did Disney. ;-)

      Eisner channeled Disney like Stalin channeled Lenin. (hey, at least it ain't a Hitler reference!) He may have returned the company to profitability but he helped ruin what made Disney special.

      Here's a good case in point: Epcot. Originally this was supposed to be a world showcase and a city of tomorrow and a living test lab for future tech. The vision was grandiose and many people had no idea where Walt was going with it. Those who knew where he was going weren't even sure if it was practical. After he died, management had no idea what to do with it. Rather than follow through with his vision, they just turned it into another Orlando theme park. "Hey, it's a people trap built by a mouse. We understand this!"

      Dreams and vision have to have a practical side to pay the bills, big ideas ain't supported by pixie dust and wishes alone, but the ruthlessly pragmatic can suck all the life and energy out of something beautiful in the quest for money.

      Apple's biggest danger is entering an era of bean counter mediocrity. Live for the quarterly earnings statement, have no vision beyond that point, maximize profit at the expense of doing anything else with the company, play it safe with unambitious ideas, and become what Microsoft is today. (yeah, I know some wags will say "What, insanely profitable? You anti-MS fag" and the like, but I think Microsoft is in serious trouble and when people look back with perspective, the Vista era is when the leaks started to spring. It'll be a long time in sinking but I think we've seen the MS high-water mark.)

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  12. You insensitive clod... by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny
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  13. I bought stock by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been waiting for AAPL to come down in price. When I heard the news Wednesday (after trading closed), I figured there would be a nice discount on Apple stock at opening this morning, and so there was. We'll know in a couple of years whether my purchase was a good move or not.

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  14. Raul Jobs by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve's younger brother, Raul, has taken over day to day operations.

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    1. Re:Raul Jobs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny

      I heard it was his German cousin, Hans Jobs.

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  15. two problems by peter303 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) WOZ wasn't the "vision" guy but a super engineer.
    2) WOZ lost some of his mental capabilities in a near-fatal airplane accident. He cant really concentrate long enough to repeat his fantastic inventions. He has a good heart and tries to help people.

    1. Re:two problems by darien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Woz was at IDF in San Francisco last summer. He spoke insightfully and lucidly for around an hour, then hung around for another hour or more signing copies of his book, iWoz, and chatting to delegates. Maybe his concentration was affected by the plane crash, but these days he's more switched on than most of the people in my office...

  16. Re:It's not charisma nor vision by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure. Marketing. That's all it is. So that's how Apple came to dominate the MP3 market.

    See really the other players like the Nomad were light years ahead but failed to due to marketing. Never mind that its interface was cumbersome. Never mind that it was larger than a portable CD player. Never mind that the Nomad could not be used as portable HD. Never mind it took many steps and hours for it to sync up. Never mind that it had a 45 min battery life. The iPod beat it on pure marketing.

    Or the other flash based players like the Diamond Rio were far superior. Never mind it could only hold maybe a dozen songs. Never mind that the software was buggy and the interface was poor. Never mind that newer models didn't really offer any more features except more capacity and flawed USB compatibility. Yes, Diamond lost because of poor marketing.

    I admit that Apple has good marketing but to attribute the entire success of Apple to marketing is to ignore that they've succeeded by designing geek gadget to non-geeks. The majority of the population is non-geek who want their stuff to work well right out of the box.

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  17. You confuse Average with Simple by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He has always tried to get the technical side to understand that Apple has to design for average people.

    Actually, that is overly simplistic and not a good analysis of why Apple succeeds - though it's a common misconception. Let's look at your list.

    Macintosh: OS and UI designed for an average person not wanting to type in commands.

    Actually, the UI is designed to have sensible common defaults and an easy to use UI, but someone "wanting to type in commands" also has the whole UNIX subsystem to access for more flexibility.

    iPod: portable media player with a UI designed for an average person. Form factor dictated by what an average person would want.

    Designed from the ground up to simply play music, but move most of the song management features off the device and onto the computer. The fact is there are a lot of more advanced features the "average" person might not use (like random play of albums, on the go playlists, sped-up audiobook playback).

    iTunes: music (and later other media) software and distribution system designed for ease of use to an average person.

    Designed to minimize the amount of actions required to give Apple money and get something back in a usable form (just talking about the store here since management features really belong with discussions about iPod/iPhone).

    iPhone: smart phone with a UI designed for an average person. If you've ever used another smart phone, you'd know how maddeningly simple an iPhone is compared to other smart phones.

    Designed to make all of the common smartphone operations as direct to use as possible, and again move more complex management of core data off device. I've used other smartphones, thanks, which is why I have an iPhone - because the others offered "maddingly" complex interactions with the system to do the simplest things.

    What do all these items have in common? It's not designing for the "average" user. It's looking at what the device is meant for, and simplifying operation as much as possible before then building complexity back on top once you arrive at the core of purpose for the device/software. There is a huge difference in that in understanding this, you can somewhat predict product evolution after initial product delivery in a way you could not if you were saying "well what does the average user like". If Apple designed for the "Averge" user they'd have the same checklist-drived designed by comitte products most other competitors spit out, instead of being a thought leader in virtually every area they enter.

    Take for instance the G4 Cube. Rumors has it that was Steve Job's personal favorite. But it didn't sell well at all and was replaced by the Mac mini. The former Steve Jobs might have kept it in the market longer despite poor sales. The newer one allowed it to be retired.

    Why would the old Steve Jobs have done that? Being forced out and then coming back with Apple in tatters only reinforced his core belief that his own views on how to run product lines were correct. When did the old Steve Jobs hang onto a product line for emotional reasons? Early accounts don't seem to indicate emotion was involved in decisions much at all.

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  18. Re:It's not charisma nor vision by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple sells integration. Integration is a feature that MOST people want. The iPod IS missing the feature to play OGG or $FOSS_AUDIOFORMAT. But if you ever break out of your cube you'll see that no one cares other than slashdot. Not everyone wants to spend the time keeping their digital library sorted. With iTunes (and properly tagged files) I can sync what I want. Podcasts, Movies, TV shows, all sync. Shows I've watched unsynced. Watch/listen counts etc.

    The same with the iPhone or even OS X. When my cousin went to Israel to study they all got iSights. iChat 'just worked'. Not AIM, not Skype not anything else, iChat. No fighting with firewalls or the such.

    The same with Bonjour/ZeroConf. Yes it's an open standard but Apple was one of the first people to actually start using it widely. If you get 5 Macs in the same room, turn on wireless everyone can see each other. No fighting with an internal ip addresses. All Bonjour enabled applications just show up. iChat contacts, HTTP servers, SSH machines, etc. I can't even get Windows XP at work to MultiHome correctly without doing stupid stuff with routing. On my Mac it works. I can set two internal network addresses and ping computers on both with on problem.

    Microsoft couldn't/didn't even get the Zune to work with THEIR "Plays for Sure" DRM.

  19. Re:It's not charisma nor vision by samkass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't buy on features and price. I also do not buy on "hip" and "cool". I buy on effectiveness. For me, Apple's products always seem to have way higher effectiveness/effort ratio. I've owned a lot of phones, but the 3G iPhone is one of the only ones I've used almost all the features on. My Mac has a really nice suite of software from Apple and smaller third parties and always seems to just do what I want. Each version of MacOS X has been unequivocally better than the last and arguably one of the best on the market. The iPod integrates really easily with iTunes and the Music Store, as well as a zillion clock radios, cars, exercise machines, airplanes, etc.

    Their products answer needs. Yes, their margins are higher which means you can probably buy a cheaper knock-off elsewhere. But I'm willing to pay a little bit more to not have to spend time thinking about all the complications.

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  20. Bring Back Guy! by Verminator · · Score: 2, Funny

    If there's one man who could replace Jobs when he decides to leave / retire, it's Guy Kawasaki.

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  21. Put George W. Bush in charge of Apple by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    He'll be free real soon now. Everybody rants that Apple's success is dependent on Jobs. If Apple continues to deliver blockbuster products, despite having George W. Bush as CEO, that will prove them wrong, and that Apple as a company is strong, despite of who is at the helm.

    If Apple craters, we can all blame it on Bush.

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  22. give it a rest by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are wrong on so many fronts. To start with, the Mac OS "licensing" deals that you refer to were licenses for what is now an ancient, Windows 95 era operating system that nobody gives a shit about today. Those "licenses" were put in place by idiots who didn't understand the market they were in. They were a huge mistake, and left in place the well documented cannibalism would have killed Apple. Steve Jobs saved the company by ending these agreements. Apple also bought at least one of those licensees out of their financial dilemma, Power Computing. All in all, damn few people have any reason to complain about that, and odds are, you're not one of them. Get over it.

    And what is that crap about Intel Macs not running software from before 2004? That's just a lie, and you probably know it.

    Additional bullshit correction is left as an exercise to the reader.

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  23. Re:It's not charisma nor vision by dzfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Great! More power to you.

    Now, does it bother you when others form their own opinions and choose differently? Really?

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  24. 6 months??? by highfidelitychris · · Score: 2, Funny

    He's coming back (according to his note) at the end of June. That doesn't come to 6 months, more like 5 and some change, depending on the actual date he comes back.

  25. Re:It's not charisma nor vision by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your drag-and-drop explanation makes no sense. Many other music players have drag-and-drop functionality.

    And they were markedly slower to access the music and playlists on them, especially back when the first ipod launched. No other player had 5+ GB and was anywhere near as fast to access the music.

    And... meta data...?! Now THAT "feature" is truly silly. Last play date?!

    Jokes on you. That is one of the best features of the ipod.

    The way my ipod is set up... 4 and 5 "star" music is always loaded. While 2 and 3 star music is rotated out automatically every time I sync, and replaced with a new selection of 2 and 3 star music. It does this by checking last play date... stuff that was listened to recently is rotated out, and replaced with stuff from my library that hasn't been.

    I also have a skip count playlist that tracks songs with high skip counts that are in the rotation... which I check periodically to re-rate the music... if I start skipping a track everytime it comes on, i probably don't want it to be played as much, and I'll either pull it out of rotation or downgrade its rating, or both.

    This allows me to have a few 300 track playlists that contain all my favorite stuff along with a selection of other tracks I like. Everytime I dock it the selection updates automatically; my faves stay, while the selection changes.

    If I'd tried to put everything i liked on the pod, it would over fill it; I only have an 8GB touch, after all. And if I got a bigger ipod, then I'd just never hear my favorites, because I have maybe 100 songs in my favorites list, and around 8,000 in rotation. If they were in one big list, I'd hear a favorite 1 out of 80 give or take.

    The way I've got it set up I hear a favorite track around 1 out of 3. And I never really know what the other 2 will be, beyond they'll be something in the rotation that I haven't heard for a while.

    For me, going back to 'drag and drop' would be a HUGE STEP BACKWARDS. Having to manually managing one's playlists is for chumps.

    A final advantage of the ipods method, is that it it is more efficient and reliable. If i have 10 playlists with a lot of overlap, I either have to have the song copied 10 ten times with drag and drop, or spend a lot of effort making sure that all the songs on my playlists are actually on the device. That's a hassle I don't need.

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