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Coffee Can Reduce the Risk of Alzheimer's

Amenacier writes "Recent studies by Finnish and Swedish researchers have shown that drinking moderate amounts of coffee can reduce the risk of Alzheimer's disease in people. The reason for this is as yet unknown, although it has been hypothesized that the high levels of antioxidants found in coffee may play a role in preventing dementia and Alzheimer's. Alternatively, some studies have shown that coffee can protect nerves, which may help prevent Alzheimer's. Other studies have shown that coffee may also help to protect against diabetes, another disease which has been shown to have links to Alzheimer's disease. However, researchers warn against drinking too much coffee, as 3 cups or more may cause hallucinations."

242 comments

  1. Damn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now where did I put that cup of coffee... ?

    1. Re:Damn.... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You put it in the mailbox, Mr. Henderson.

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    2. Re:Damn.... by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Paranoid, Hearing 'voices', itchy, but NOT demented!

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    3. Re:Damn.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple days back Slashdot also posted an article on how just 3 cups of coffee can affect the mind by also creating delusions. I don't remember that ever happening...Then again I don't remember drinking any of the coffee that's sitting in that cup in front of me. Is that a real cup that's in front of me? I'm confused! Oh, well I won't remember any of this in a bit anyway...

    4. Re:Damn.... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A couple days back Slashdot also posted an article on how just 3 cups of coffee can affect the mind by also creating delusions.

      Not all delusions are of the "I must be in an alternate universe" type. Some are far more subtle, and may just have the effect of an error in judgment.

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  2. Joke. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    An old couple both have Alzheimers. They're watching TV and an advert for a burger joint comes on.

    "Hey," the man says, "burgers would be great! Could you make some? I'd like lettuce, tomatoes and onions on mine. Don't forget! Lettuce. Tomatoes. Onions."

    Wife replies "Lettuce, tomatoes and onions. Got it. Lettuce, tomatoes and onions."

    About 2 hours later she comes out of the kitchen and hands him a plate of bacon and eggs. "You idiot," he cries, "you forgot the toast!"

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    1. Re:Joke. by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      I have alzheimer's you ins... um... hi. Have we met?

    2. Re:Joke. by nachosupreme · · Score: 1, Funny

      People with Alzheimers get to hide their own Easter eggs!

    3. Re:Joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 2 hours later she comes out of the kitchen and hands him a plate of bacon and eggs. "You idiot," he cries, "you forgot the toast!"

      That's not funny, my mother died that way!

    4. Re:Joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good Idea: Finding Easter eggs on Easter morning.
      Bad Idea: Finding Easter eggs on Christmas morning.

    5. Re:Joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alzheimers advantage: new friends every day!

  3. Sleep by conureman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Drink moderately and don't forget to rest. I wonder if this correlation is caused by the coffee?

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    1. Re:Sleep by jerep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Drink moderately and don't forget to rest.

      I can't seem to do both of these, either I drink moderately and fall asleep mid-sentence or I drink to to keep myself awake and spend the night reading slashdot and writing code.

      But after yesterday's post about caffeine induced hallucinations I decided to slack off on coffee and now I wonder where all my friends have gone, at least i can still write... zzz

  4. Best news ever! by bagboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I'll be able to remember all of those awesome hallucinations I've been having!

    1. Re:Best news ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to pick and choose! Alzheimer's or hallucinations - you can't have both!

    2. Re:Best news ever! by msoori · · Score: 1

      You have to pick and choose! Alzheimer's or hallucinations - you can't have both!

      What if you drink Coffee with the crack and dope? Certainly worth researching ;-)

    3. Re:Best news ever! by jd · · Score: 1

      No, you'll just hallucinate that you can remember the awesome hallucinations.

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  5. Remembering Hallucinations by bossanovalithium · · Score: 3, Funny

    So if I drink 4 cups a day I won't get Alzheimers and I will hallucinate .... good, cause i want to remember the good ones.

  6. Seriously..... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 0

    When are these "experts" going to make up their freaking mind?!

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    1. Re:Seriously..... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Depends if you're talking to the experts paid by the coffee companies or the experts paid by the ... hum... tea companies? (what's the opposite of coffee?)

    2. Re:Seriously..... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      (what's the opposite of coffee?)

      (Milk?)

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    3. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy Drinks?

    4. Re:Seriously..... by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      (what's the opposite of coffee?)

      In terms of competition for arable land, I guess that would be cocaine. Next we'll hear from the Cocaine Importation Agency (CIA) how bad coffee is for you.

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    5. Re:Seriously..... by robthebloke · · Score: 4, Funny

      eeffoc.

    6. Re:Seriously..... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I said opposite, not reverse. :)

    7. Re:Seriously..... by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      !coffee

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    8. Re:Seriously..... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      When are these "experts" going to make up their freaking mind?!

      As soon as whoever has paid them to spout-off has profited from the societal behaviour-change they desire?

    9. Re:Seriously..... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Good luck finding that at the grocery store... "Excuse me, miss, where's the I Can't Believe It's Not Coffee?"

    10. Re:Seriously..... by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When are these "experts" going to make up their freaking mind?!

      It's not for them to say 'coffee is good' or 'coffee is bad'. That's for you to determine.
      It's antithetical to scientific thinking to draw conclusions that aren't relevant or supported by the results. It is, however, something journalists love to do for them.

      But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others? And that something can be good under a certain set of circumstances and bad under another?

      Besides which, coffee hasn't been shown to be particularly bad for you unless you have a heart condition and need to avoid caffeine for blood-pressure reasons. It also contains some carcinogens - which is one of those sources of journalistic misinterpretation, because there's a big difference between 'contains carcinogens' and 'causes cancer'. Just because something contains a carcinogen doesn't necessarily mean that carcinogen is potent enough and the concentration sufficient to substantially change the risks of cancer, in particular once you take into account how much actually gets taken up into the body.

    11. Re:Seriously..... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      (what's the opposite of coffee?)

      Alcohol

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    12. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is ~coffee

    13. Re:Seriously..... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 4, Funny

      But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others?

      What is this of which you speak?

      This is /.

      Windows is 100% evil.
      Linux is 100% good.

      The US Government is 100% evil.
      RMS is 100% good.

      There seems to be some disagreement about Java, however, where some say it's 100% evil, and some say it's 100% good.

      Wait......Java.....coffee.....

      Hey!!

      I totally understand what you mean, now!

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    14. Re:Seriously..... by vkapadia · · Score: 1

      3F0011

    15. Re:Seriously..... by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      De-Caf

    16. Re:Seriously..... by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 1

      When are these "experts" going to make up their freaking mind?!

      In this case it seems they have for quite some time, and it's more the general public that still seems to think it's bad for you. From what I've seen, the consensus about coffee in the medical community is this: Within the limits (your own personal limits) of consumption that don't cause you to have bad side affects (digestive, insomnia, whatever), the more the better...period. While stuff like the affect on Alzheimer's may be theoretical, coffee is without question one of the best sources of antioxidants you'll find, and I've heard absolutely no evidence of any long term dangers of any degree of coffee consumption. Many (if not most) doctors these days won't even tell you not to drink more that x cups a day unless more than x cups a day causes problems for you...so even the usual "it's ok in moderation" thing doesn't necessarily apply.

      Much like the belief that cold weather or "getting a chill" causes the common cold, I think it's more the general public that doesn't get it on this one.

    17. Re:Seriously..... by gnu-sucks · · Score: 2, Informative

      > what's the opposite of coffee?

      Ginger. Coffee is a basal vasoconstrictor, and ginger is a vasodilator.

      So coffee lowers the blood flow to the brain, and ginger increases it. Don't take both at once unless you enjoy headaches.

    18. Re:Seriously..... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      what's the opposite of coffee?

      conee?

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    19. Re:Seriously..... by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      But anyway, are you really unable to fathom the idea that something can be good in some ways and bad in others? And that something can be good under a certain set of circumstances and bad under another?

      Heck, my thought on this whole subject is (mis)quoting a rather ancient philosopher -

      Moderation in all things, including moderation.

      Not many things in life are strictly linear. A glass of wine a day is good. A dozen, not so much. A little meat in your diet, good. Eating 6 pounds a day? Not good. Washing your hands is a good habit. Washing/scrubbing until you bleed? Not good. Sodium Chloride, salt, is essential for life, but too much is bad. So on and so forth...

      I don't think it's that difficult. But then, people have signed dihydrogen monoxide bad petitions.

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    20. Re:Seriously..... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Within the limits (your own personal limits) of consumption that don't cause you to have bad side affects (digestive, insomnia, whatever), the more the better...period.

      So, it's true, then, is it? Coffee really is the drink of the gods? We've long known, of course, that chocolate is the food of the gods, so I guess that chocolate covered coffee beans are the most wonderful dish in the world?

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    21. Re:Seriously..... by Prefader · · Score: 1

      (what's the opposite of coffee?)

      Powdered water?
      Perhaps we've solved Stephen Wright's problem!

    22. Re:Seriously..... by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

      no, that's the opposite of 0xc0ffee
      coffee is ascii.

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    23. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you have a hot girlfriend named Ginger, it increases the blood flow to the penis.

    24. Re:Seriously..... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      In the tea section.

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    25. Re:Seriously..... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Don't take both at once unless you enjoy headaches.

      I don't think that's true... :)

      I eat sushi with green tea and fresh ginger. I don't think I've ever gotten a headache.

      Now, when by buddy goes with me and we drink the big bottles of Asahi, that's a different story.

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    26. Re:Seriously..... by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      Depends if you're talking to the experts paid by the coffee companies or the experts paid by the ... hum... tea companies? (what's the opposite of coffee?)

      ffee?

      (sine/cosine, tangent/cotangent, worker/coworker)

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    27. Re:Seriously..... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Not at all. Those are examples of orthogonal functions, not opposites. The opposite of right is left, not forward.

    28. Re:Seriously..... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Oh god yes it is. I had a tin of chocolate covered coffee beans at christmas. It was like two christmases.

  7. Sweet! by Datamonstar · · Score: 1

    I'm NEVER getting Alzheimer's!

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    1. Re:Sweet! by jerep · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, life has something much worse for us caffeine addicted people, parkinson.

    2. Re:Sweet! by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well...once, I thought like that as well. But after some time, I forgot drinking my coffee and...uh, what was I about to say again?

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    3. Re:Sweet! by rwalker429 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Source here? The only correlation between caffeine and parkinson I ever heard about was supposedly preventative.

    4. Re:Sweet! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Combine these results with the protective effect of cannabis, and I must be damn near immune.

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    5. Re:Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to say (am being a Spelling Nazi here) but there is no such word as 'preventative'. You meant 'preventive'.

      From http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=preventative&search=search

      Preventative
      Pre*vent"a*tive\, n. That which prevents; -- incorrectly used instead of preventive.

  8. This reminds me... by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 2, Insightful

    of the people who claim that "wine" is good for you one glass a day. Fools! Its not the wine, its stuff from the grapes, which mind you are also present in fresh grapes, rasins, and grape juice. Wine gets the props though cause then it makes people feel better about getting drunk every night.

    Same here, ya there might be a few healthy tidbits, but the negatives far out weight the health benifits.

    1. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, you're wrong. ANY alcohol, in moderation, has the same effect.

      The flavinoids in grapes are also benefisial, but any alcohol "just works."

      Teetotalers die younger than those who consume moderate amounts of alcohol.

    2. Re:This reminds me... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Subsequent to the studies that say wine is good for you are some more studies that say the same benefits can be found with moderate use of any type of alcohol.

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    3. Re:This reminds me... by wild_quinine · · Score: 1

      Same here, ya there might be a few healthy tidbits, but the negatives far out weight the health benifits.

      Actually, that's not true, unless you can point out the negatives of drinking 175ml of red wine per day. Good luck, because they do that and more in countries with some of the highest life expectancies in Europe. The thing about food is that what is good for you is usually good for you in small amounts, but that what is bad for you is NOT usually bad for you in small amounts. All things in moderation, and there are very few of these 'negatives'. That's what they mean by a balanced diet.

    4. Re:This reminds me... by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which is great for me. They've been telling me for years that I'm overdoing things. meh Drink a few beers, lower stress levels, drink coffee all day at the keyboard, eat only when I'm hungry. Exercise now and then. Stay away from pharmaceuticals. Normal sorts of stuff. Dreams? Hallucinations? Sleep problems? Not me, and I can sleep anywhere. Dreams are good, hate the recursive ones where you dream you woke up, but it's all good.

      I knew if I waited long enough there would be a study that showed what I do is not only not bad for me, but in all likelihood good for me. Shame that one study about semen preventing cervical cancer if taken orally was fake!

    5. Re:This reminds me... by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 1

      It is also the alcohol. Low to Moderate amounts of alcohol can have healthy effects as well; http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/10/1974569.htm. As long as you're not alcohol intolerant of course.

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    6. Re:This reminds me... by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 0

      of the people who claim that "wine" is good for you one glass a day. Fools! Its not the wine, its stuff from the grapes,

      Again, a mix of correlation and causality. In fact:

      1- People who a drink a lot of wine have a bad health (logical).
      2- People who drink just a little wine are in excellent health.
      3- People who drink no wine at all have a slightly less optimal health.

      The reason for 3) is that this group includes people whose health is not very good, and therefore prevents them from drinking any wine, thus lowering the average health of this group.

    7. Re:This reminds me... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If one glass of wine is getting you drunk, you should see a doctor immediately.

    8. Re:This reminds me... by KanshuShintai · · Score: 1

      However in a 1998 study, Japanese researchers found that while grape juice still had antioxidative benefits, it did not significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels compared to red wine.

      From the Yale-New Haven Hospital website http://www.ynhh.org/online/nutrition/advisor/red_wine.html

    9. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...if only to tell him he's your beeeeeestest frieeeeeeend. Hic.

    10. Re:This reminds me... by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      I know this is /. but did you even read the summary? In both cases, researchers say that MODERATION is the key.

      And what "stuff" are you talking about? Sugar? Water? Vitamins? How about giving us some information to back up your claims?

      IIRC the alcohol consumption advice was something like "one 5 fluid ounce (150 ml) glass of red wine per day". If you're getting drunk on that then stop drinking.
      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/alcoholconsumption.html

    11. Re:This reminds me... by saider · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The benefits of alcohol depend on which specialist you talk to. A cardiologist might recommend it because the alcohol tends to reduce plaque build up in the arteries. A gastroenterologist will tell you to avoid it because metabolizing alcohol leads to fatty build-up in the liver. The neurologists tell you that it kills your nerve cells.

      What this all means depends on your body chemistry. If you come from a family with a history of heart trouble, the alcohol might help keep that under control. Sure you'll get some fat build up in the liver, but your body can cope with that. Someone with a history of degenerative neurological disorders might want to shy away from it.

      Most things in medicine are trade-offs and affect people differently.

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    12. Re:This reminds me... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      If one glass of wine is getting you drunk, you should see a doctor immediately.

      No, you should sober up first.

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    13. Re:This reminds me... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Therefore....

      I need to drink a LOT of coffee during the day, and then switch to wine by late afternoon to counteract the jitteryness, and then finish with a good drunk so I can sleep at night with my system full of stimulant called caffeine?

      BRILLIANT! I'll live forever!!!!

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    14. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      We now know that the "alcohol kills nerve cells" is wrong in low doses. The "100,000 brain cells per drink" is a myth. As for the fatty buildup in the liver, that's also related only to *over-consumption*, so there's no downside to moderate consumption, and a definite set of benefits.

    15. Re:This reminds me... by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Teetotalers die younger than those who consume moderate amounts of alcohol.

      ...which may have absolutely nothing to do with alcohol.

      People who avoid alcohol completely may also be more uptight, more prone to stress, less able to relax, etc, etc. THAT may be why they die earlier and it has nothing to do with the fact that they didn't do shots with their buddies last Friday.

    16. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The worst part is that we've had several generations of misinformation about the "evils of drink" because of religious zealots who accepted the backing of the Women's Christian Temperance Union.

      We still see their effect today with churches that use grape juice instead of wine for communion:

      Although many times the WCTU was very involved in religion in a positive manner, they did not agree that wine should be used in their ceremonies. They asked the Church to stop using wine in their ceremonies during an Episcopal convention, and to use un-fermented grape juice instead. Their direct resolution stated that they wanted the church to use grape juice because wine contained "the narcotic poison, alcohol, which cannot truly represent the blood of Christ."

    17. Re:This reminds me... by morgauo · · Score: 1

      Unless the alcohol consumer is a Malaysian Muslim.

      1-1000 2-1000 3-1000.... Can I hit submit yet?

    18. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not the wine, its stuff from the grapes, which mind you are also present in fresh grapes, rasins, and grape juice. Wine gets the props though cause then it makes people feel better about getting drunk every night.

      Though "wine" is made from grapes, the benefits of "wine" are not gained from grapes alone. It is the fermentation process that gives "wine" its health benefits.

    19. Re:This reminds me... by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      If you come from a family with a history of heart trouble, the alcohol might help keep that under control. Sure you'll get some fat build up in the liver, but your body can cope with that. Someone with a history of degenerative neurological disorders might want to shy away from it.

      Great. My paternal grandmother died of MS, and my maternal grandparents both have very serious heart issues. So basically, I'm screwed either way, so I suppose I may as well do whatever I feel like.

    20. Re:This reminds me... by zappepcs · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sorry, are you talking about those curmudgeons, The Women's Christian Intemperance Union?

      There are, in general, a great number of "traditions" that most people take for granted and never question their origin. Those same tempe-rant women celebrate their god's birthday (which in and of itself is awesomely insane) on the wrong day and never question why. It defies explanation that our 'creator' would give us bodies made in his image, replete with with the need to seek pleasures of every kind, then make most everything that feels good a sin. I could go on an on about it all, but it depresses me, and I was just feeling cheery about how I have a case of local brew waiting for 5 p.m. to roll around.

      If that made you laugh, now you can cry: WTF are they wanting to drink someone's blood for? Isn't that a bit.. well, odd? I don't care if it has alcohol or not. Play acting like you're taking part in some blood sacrifice is probably illegal if you aren't in some sanctioned building called a church. WTF?

    21. Re:This reminds me... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      One thing Americans always forget. Moderation (not in the terms of judging comments).
      Caffeine, Alcohol, Sugar, Carbohydrates, Meat, Fat, Salt, ... Are all good for you with the correct Moderation. Be when we say X is good for you we rush to take as much X as possible as y is good for your y*z must be better.
      A glass of wine a day is much different then getting drunk.
      A small cup of coffee in the morning helpful to give you that little pickup wont cause your hart to fiburlate
      A serving of cookies for a snack will not make you obese...
      You get the point, I hope.
       

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    22. Re:This reminds me... by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1
      This is a very, very important point when interpreting this sort of data.

      Teetotalars are an odd bunch of people.

      This demographic consists mainly of:

      Ill people -- who aren't allowed to drink as they have a serious disease, or less relevantly... Certain religious factions -- imho, odd.

      These factors are almost NEVER controlled for. Therefore the people in the non-drinking group are always going to perform worse in almost every health indicator, than people with moderate drinking habits-- i.e. "normal", healthier people.

      With that in mind, you need to weep for the love of science and decent journalism, next time newspaper or big website reports that "moderate amounts of alcohol protect you from..." or "a glass of wine a day..."

    23. Re:This reminds me... by noidentity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry for the analogy, but it illustrates the dynamic well in my mind: Several people are standing on a roof. Walking ten steps north will put some near the center, and others very close to the north edge. Similar for ten steps in other directions. Walking in any direction makes everyone closer to that edge, but for those dangerously close to another edge, the tradeoff is worth it. And if the goal is to be near the center, each person should walk a different direction; advice that "walking north is good for anyone" is faulty.

    24. Re:This reminds me... by shipbrick · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're American, statistically heart disease is most likely to kill you. And the liver is one of the most resilient organs. So I'd say you're correct, booze is good for most, but never say always...

    25. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow... all these factoids..

      simple fact is.. alcohol in moderation thins your blood out. We all know the less saturated (thin) a fluid is, the easier it is to dissolve a substance in that fluid, ie: fat cells, cholesterol, toxins, etc... which then get passed out of the body through natural mechanisms.

    26. Re:This reminds me... by Neeperando · · Score: 1

      Are all good for you with the correct Moderation.

      I want to do more things in Moderation, but I only get 5 chances to do so and they expire after 3 days. Then it's back to 3 Whoppers a day for dinner!

      Mod: -1 Flamebroiled

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    27. Re:This reminds me... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Informative

      that's certainly a plausible explanation. i think the only way to know for sure is to determine the exact pharmacokinetics of the various active compounds found in alcoholic beverages. otherwise, you're just identifying health correlations of various lifestyle choices, which, of course, can be caused by any number of a vast and complex set of factors.

      this is somewhat similar to the misconceptions held by a large segment of the public and medical community regarding the health effects of narcotics like heroin. heroin/diacetylmorphine is an exogenous opioid just like morphine, codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone. in potency it has a MEDD factor of somewhere between morphine and oxycodone (the active ingredient of OxyContin). and while the process of psychological addiction is highly complex, and there is still much to be learned about it, the general pharmacology and mechanism of action of opiates like morphine and diacetylmorphine are well understood.

      however, after drug prohibition went into effect and the opiate-using demographic shifted from well to do upper-class whites like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas De Quincy, and Edgar Allen Poe, as well as other normal everyday people, to lower-class minorities and the poor/homeless, people began associating opiate usage--and especially heroin abuse--with a wide variety of detrimental health effects, including weight-loss, tooth decay, anemia, and general poor health.

      this public perception was shaped by prohibitionist propaganda, what was portrayed in the media, and reinforced by the masses of drug addicts living in the streets. however, when physicians actually conducted research into the health effects of heroin use, they found that it caused none of these effects in normal healthy individuals. instead, they discovered that almost all of the negative health effects commonly attributed to heroin use was caused by concurrent use of other more physically harmful substances (like crack/cocaine/meth) or some other lifestyle factor, such as homelessness, poverty and years of living on the streets--and the resultant malnutrition, poor dental hygiene, and lack of medical care.

      through empirical research it was discovered that heroin, just like any other opiate, has very little toxicity and isn't particularly harmful to one's body. it's not neurotoxic like alcohol, PCP, and stimulants such as cocaine & meth; it's not cardiotoxic like cocaine, meth, caffeine and other stimulants; and it's not hepatotoxic (liver-damaging) like alcohol and OTC painkillers such as APAP/acetaminophen (a.k.a. Tylenol)--which is the leading cause of liver damage & acute liver failure in western nations.

      in fact, as a CNS depressant and hypotensive, heroin actually lower's one's blood pressure and can be therapeutic (or at least attenuate the cardiotoxicity of stimulants). instead of making people age faster the way that meth/coke/crack does, heroin abuse actually slows down aging, and oftentimes chronic users who start using at a young age can look like they haven't hit puberty even as they reach adulthood.

      of course, since it's not socially acceptable like tobacco or alcohol use, and opiate dependence is considered a crime in our society, those that can lead functional lives on opiates keep their habit to themselves. so even though there are many doctors who are closet morphine addicts, or businessmen and lawyers who are pill poppers, it's generally the stereotypical gaunt & destitute-looking homeless heroin addicts that are the most visible to the public and consequently receive a disproportionate amount of media attention, leading to erroneous conclusions being drawn about the effects of chronic opiate use.

    28. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All things to excess, moderation is for monks. That goes for slashdot too.

    29. Re:This reminds me... by steelcaress · · Score: 1

      I belong to the General Intemperance Task-force, also known as GIT. :)

    30. Re:This reminds me... by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Dreams are good, hate the recursive ones where you dream you woke up, but it's all good.

      I managed to get that to go a good three-deep once. First I dreamed I woke up, then I realized it was a dream and woke up and went and paid a bill, but that was a dream from which I woke up from and went and took a shower, but that turned out to be a dream so then I really woke up and discovered I was late for work.

      So in the end I ran out the door without remembering to grab the bill and without enough time to take a shower.

      Dreams are nice, but it sucks when it turns out you only dreamed being ready to face the day.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
    31. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's why it's SO much better to be an atheist.

      10 Reasons Why Being An Atheist Is Better

      1. You can sleep in on Sunday without feeling guilty AND you can feel smug about it - after all, Sunday is supposed to be a day of rest, right :-)
      2. You can drink knowing it's good for your health, will lower your blood pressure while raising fundies';
      3. Sex. No guilt for being straight, bi, gay, lesbian. trans, genderfucked, whatever, or for having friends who are
      4. No having your kids look down on you because you think they're "living in sin". No having your parents look down on you because you don't want to get married;
      5. Much less cognitive dissonance. Not having to justify the genocide in the bible, or the sexism, the endorsing of slave-keeping, and a vengeful god;
      6. Being able to show Jehovah's Witnesses your blood donor card - priceless;
      7. Not having to dress funny on Sundays, then go to a building where some guy in a dress (he "says" it's a robe) goes on and on about gays going to hell; Sitting around the homestead in your underwear is SO much more edifying;
      8. No guilt-induced obligatory tax on stupidity (tithing). Though if you can divert it to lottery tickets (another tax on stupidity) and get a better return on your investment, knowing that at least some of the profits help pay for things the community needs;
      9. There's just no replacement for the word "fuck!" in some situations;
      10. There's also no replacement for going up to your local holy roller when they get to be too much of a PITA, poking them in the belly and saying "I see you're still losing the struggle with that demon sin of gluttony. BTW if you really have mastered your battle against same-sex lust, I have a serious buyer for your porn collection"

      And for the bonus:

      1. it's more fun trolling them than either the Microsoft or Apple fanbois.
    32. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      Good thing you didn't dream you were on the toilet and decide it was a good time to lay some trans-oceanic cable.

    33. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "If one glass of wine is getting you drunk, you should see a doctor immediately."

      Or perhaps first try a smaller glass.

    34. Re:This reminds me... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Sometimes one glass of beer is enough to get me quite relaxed.

      --
      It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
    35. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 0, Troll

      it has nothing to do with the fact that they didn't do shots with their buddies last Friday.

      Alcohol is a proven selective depressant. In reasonable doses, it depresses inhibitions. People are therefore easier-going, more likely to express themselves, and, as you say, less uptight, but this is entirely due to the effect of alcohol on the brain; in other words, the relief from stress, etc., is from the effect on the brain, not the social situation.

      You get the same effect by having a night-cap alone.

      Tee-totalers who choose to be "for religious or moral reasons" are just fucked up, as well as immorally judgmental, but what do you expect from people who believe in religious spooks and take their instructions from fat slugs who feed them a line of bullshit every weekend.

    36. Re:This reminds me... by Smauler · · Score: 1

      I personally always finish with a good drunk.

    37. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      I prefer W.C. Fields' approach

      "I keep a flask of whiskey with me in this box at all times, for my nerves, just in case I see a snake ... which I also keep in this box."

    38. Re:This reminds me... by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      This demographic consists mainly of: Ill people -- who aren't allowed to drink as they have a serious disease, or less relevantly... Certain religious factions -- imho, odd.

      I haven't been to church since I was 12 or 13, and my parents stopped forcing me to go.
      The last time I had a drink, was at a blues festival, about a year and a half ago .. and it was probably 2 or 3 years before THAT, when I had my "last" last drink.

      I just don't like being around drunks, standing in bars, or feeling like I'm not in control of my own body.

      I think you might want to check your demographics, because I suspect a lot more people are like me, than they are the two groups you mentioned

    39. Re:This reminds me... by FrozenFOXX · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're American, statistically heart disease is most likely to kill you. And the liver is one of the most resilient organs. So I'd say you're correct, booze is good for most, but never say always...

      Well obviously the best thing you could do in that case is emmigrate to another country! My habits won't kill me if I'm not an American. ;)

      --
      "Just a fox, a whisper."
    40. Re:This reminds me... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      define drunk.

      One glass of wine/beer gets me buzzing pretty well.

      It's the people who don't feel anything after 6 beers that I worry about.

      --
      "I only speak the truth"
      Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
    41. Re:This reminds me... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Guess it depends which one scares you more.

    42. Re:This reminds me... by sjames · · Score: 1

      To be honest, it's a bit of a fuzzy term, but I would say that by the point that you're unsteady on your feet, moving from sociable to obnoxious, and certainly if you're in danger of regretting it in the morning (because of the alcohol :-), then you're drunk.

      A bit warmer, a bit more talkative, etc is just buzzed.

    43. Re:This reminds me... by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1
      Fair point, my list wasn't exhaustive, but I think you have to look at the bigger picture.

      Many people that can't drink alcohol are ill. Hepatitis, former alcoholism, transplanted livers, etc. I would argue that certain religious groups that abhor alcohol, also abhor other aspects of medicine.

      This is my key point (that I obviously didn't convey well). These people (but not people like you) skew the data towards people having moderate drinking habits appearing healthier than people that don't drink at all.

      Since alcohol impairs the liver, dehydrates tissue, blah de blah, it's intuitive that it isn't healthy. And yet all of the data shows that teetotalers. Are less healthy than moderate drinkers on all manner of health and wellbeing tests.

      You, are presumably, healthier than your alcohol-drinking peers. Yet the media tell you you're worse off. What I'm saying is despite what the media say (through misunderstanding of statistics and demographics), you are (statistically more likely to be) healthier than the rest of us! Er. rejoice!

    44. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of ray charles. He took heroin his whole life and it did not seem to affect him in any negative way. The way I looked at it was that ray had enough money to actually support his habit without being detrimental to his life. He had money of course, and it is not like the typical junkie today who has to resort to other drugs that might be cheaper and more detrimental than the herron itself. One more reason why I say legalize drugs.

    45. Re:This reminds me... by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      Fair point, my list wasn't exhaustive, but I think you have to look at the bigger picture. Many people that can't drink alcohol are ill. Hepatitis, former alcoholism, transplanted livers, etc. I would argue that certain religious groups that abhor alcohol, also abhor other aspects of medicine.

      I think you might want to consider enlarging your circle of acquaintances, if that's your impression. I'm guessing, based on your name, but I suspect that you're rather "youngish", and are in the middle of your drinking/partying years ... but remember that people tend to become more sedate and conservative as they get older, and make decisions based on philosophical beliefs and/or moral beliefs - not just health, or religion. I think you might be confusing those beliefs - and a relative lack on INTEREST in alcohol - with religious conviction or abhorrence.

      I would argue that certain religious groups that abhor alcohol, also abhor other aspects of medicine.

      I'm right now trying to think of a single religion that considers booze to be related to medicine ... granted, my grandmother was a great believer in the occasional medicinal shot of brandy, but that was hardly a religious belief.

      Since alcohol impairs the liver, dehydrates tissue, blah de blah, it's intuitive that it isn't healthy. And yet all of the data shows that teetotalers. Are less healthy than moderate drinkers on all manner of health and wellbeing tests.

      Salt has the same affect - but it's not intuitive that we should stay away from salt, any more than it is with alcohol.

      You, are presumably, healthier than your alcohol-drinking peers. Yet the media tell you you're worse off. What I'm saying is despite what the media say (through misunderstanding of statistics and demographics)

      First - I suspect that the misunderstanding of stats & demographics are more likely to be your problem this time, not the media. You are making some very major *assumptions* about the demographics, obviously without having given it much more than a cursory thought. And from that, you are extrapolating and trying to re-interpret that statistics.

      .... you are (statistically more likely to be) healthier than the rest of us! Er. rejoice!

      Well - according to the statistics I just read in TFM, that's apparently not the case, is it?
      I guess now isn't a good time to mention that I've been a pack+ a day smoker since I was 12 - about 38 years ago. *COUGH* *HACK* *WEEZE* .... but at least I've got my health :-)

    46. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...as well as immorally judgmental...

      Pot, meet kettle.

    47. Re:This reminds me... by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      Sure alcohol as some possibly positive effects, I agree. However, its not really well known for that, and if it was the alcohol in wine that people were pushing as being healthy then we would also see people pushing whiskey as having the same effect. I have never seen anyone seriously make that claim.

    48. Re:This reminds me... by aldwin · · Score: 1

      Shame that one study about semen preventing cervical cancer if taken orally was fake!

      True, but it does reduce the risk of at least one pregnancy complication.

      (Yes, IAAD)

    49. Re:This reminds me... by aldwin · · Score: 1

      The only time I every saw someone fall out of a chair drunk, it was after one small glass of wine.

      Of course, he hadn't had a drink in 5 years ...

      ... and it was some of my homebrew ...

    50. Re:This reminds me... by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      And (in the US at least), you lose three, maybe four major holidays and your boss will now expect you to work on them all.

      --
      Who is John Cabal?
    51. Re:This reminds me... by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1

      'm guessing, based on your name, but I suspect that you're rather "youngish", and are in the middle of your drinking/partying years

      A false assumption on your part, then.

      I'm right now trying to think of a single religion that considers booze to be related to medicine ... granted, my grandmother was a great believer in the occasional medicinal shot of brandy, but that was hardly a religious belief.

      Heh, what was written by me, wasn't what I meant to say.

      Having researched it a bit more, I realise that Jehova's Witnesses and Amish do occasionally have some alcohol-- JWs aren't normally fans of modern medicine.

      Salt has the same affect - but it's not intuitive that we should stay away from salt, any more than it is with alcohol.

      No. Nice try though.

      In my biology class at school (and those nice human physiology courses all those years ago at University), I was taught of Anti-diuretic hormone; its effects on kidney function. Salt and alcohol have opposite effects. Salt increases levels of ADH makes your kidneys piss out less water, mitigating the problem. Alcohol rapidly stops ADH production, making you piss out more water. On top of that, it dehydrates tissue rather effectively too. Which is why in the histology lab, I don't use increasing levels of salt to dehydrate tissue samples; I use increasing concentrations of ethanol.

      rst - I suspect that the misunderstanding of stats & demographics are more likely to be your problem this time, not the media.

      You know what. I'm not going to present my CV here, but I do understand 'em. Journalists, with a BA in English, rather than a BS in anything, presented with stats, more often than not, misinterpret or overinterpret them.

      Repeatedly data showing mild amounts of alcohol intake are benefical are reported as "Ah, a glass of wine a day must be good for you. It's the tannins/ oils/ whatever", when no consideration is given to the fact is that a portion of the non-alcohol imbibing people are more likely to be ill (for whatever reason that proscribes them from drinking it) than those allowed to drink alcohol. It isn't controlled for. It is bias. It isn't what people-- especially the media with their nice reader friendly stories for people that like alcohol-- want to hear. Which (if my assumption that TFM = the fucking media is correct) is why you're not going to read those stats in the TFM, are you? There are few newspapers with good science journalism left, and the internet seems to be awash with blogs and sites promoting agendas left right and centre.

      In essence, "I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that" needs to be employed on these topline blithe statements that are reported everywhere. I mean, the 3 cups of coffee doubles your risk of hallucinations bollocks recently: -- total sh*te

      Actually, the guy that runs the badscience.net site wrote a book. There's a chapter in there that deals with this debate. They guy explains it all (with... evidence) far more eloquently than I. I suggest you read it. http://www.badscience.net/buy-the-book/ I'd have quoted from it, but I've loaned it to my Dad. Who is very old, just to reassure you I'm not a youngster. I just coined my username many years ago.

    52. Re:This reminds me... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Um, I was kinda' annoyed by the brutish reaction you had to people with psychological problems in other posts, but now that I think about it, I think the world's just pulled one over on you. Still, good job trying to stay rational, keep it cool, bro.

      Now, back on topic, just because of that post, I'm friending you. Cheers!

      --
      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
    53. Re:This reminds me... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      You should see my top 10 reasons why a dog is better than getting married :-)

      As for people with psychological problems, some of them are genetic, and we really should be doing what we can to make sure those genes get weeded out. For those problems that are environmental/situational, on the other hand, it would be in our best interests as a society to invest in proper treatment and in prevention.

      For example, we can go a long way towards preventing battered spouse syndrome by making it socially unacceptable for people to hit each other - and this applies also to hitting their own kids. It's not much of an extension from whacking a kid to beating up on another adult. There seems to be an "it's not so bad if its' in the family" attitude.

      Same thing with post-traumatic stress disorder, or seasonally-affected depression. We lose billions in productivity every year, but instead of treating the problems, the publics' attitude is "snap out of it" or "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." People don't seek help in part because of shame and internalized built, in part because of their fear of how others will perceive them, and in part because of the cost. Silly, but there it is. Spending some money to educate the general public is a good investment. Better, though, is to make it part of the curriculum, so that the next generation will know how to seek help.

      Prevention where possible, treatment where practical (some things we just don't know how to treat yet), and cure when we can. The same rules as for physical problems.

    54. Re:This reminds me... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I agree that it would be best to weed out those genes, but what I was trying to get through in other posts was that it would be way to difficult to implement in the foreseeable future. OTOH, if it wasn't for the War on [Some] Drugs, medicamental treatment of these conditions would make all other measure pointless. Case in point - my own. ADHD, but everybody insists on improving learning methods, vitamins, damn herbal teas for Pete's sake!. And the dosages of Concerta that were tried at the beginning were perfect - for someone a third my age and weight. When I tried doubling the dose, the side effects already kicked in, and no theraputical effects whatsoever. *facepalm*

      I totally agree with the second part of your post, as I mentioned, I got the same treatment, and still do.

      BTW, that bit about making hitting people socially unacceptable - that's in the basis of anarchy as a political system, it accepts that everyone has equal right, among which not getting hit by other people </political-shill>

      Cheers!

      --
      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
    55. Re:This reminds me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well...backstory:

      The reason women had to get alcohol banned was because they had so few rights: if a drunken husband came home and beat them and/or their children, there was no recourse: no divorce, the police would not intervene in a MAN's home, no women's shelters, etc. There are "evils of drink" if your gatekeeper is drunk and mean. Keeping the angry drunks from drinking was women's ONLY way out and they used religion, which was fair since religion has always used women. So let's beware of blamin' the victims, hey? We can vote now too!!!

      However this does highlight the insanity of criminalizing marijuana, a drug which has none of the negatives of alcohol...I've never seen a "mean stoner" - have you?

      The benefits of illegal drugs accrue ONLY to enforcement agencies (police, DEA), prison guards and the legal system...lots of jobs!

  9. Hurry! by Templar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Better drink a whole bunch really fast. Next week, researchers will tell us it's bad again.

    1. Re:Hurry! by yttrstein · · Score: 1

      Researchers actually aren't saying much. This is simply another attempt by news media (like Slashdot) to make sense of statistics (which may as well be magic to most people), and twisting them into exciting headlines.

      I've had a bit of experience with the marriage of research and media, and it's pretty terrible. Research needs media in order to excite the public so that they in turn get more funding, but they have to excite the public by acquiescing to weak understanding of causality in the minds of the people reporting the results of these sorts of studies.

    2. Re:Hurry! by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Coffee, it is this year's margarine or butter or black or something.

    3. Re:Hurry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand this is a joke but why can't people realize that things can be both good and bad. Look at medicine, all that I know have some kind of side effect. The question is, whether the good outweights the bad for that person.

    4. Re:Hurry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we've secretly replaced her alzheimers medication with regular folgers. let's see if she notices.

  10. I drink just 8 cups... by ShadowXOmega · · Score: 1, Funny

    I drink just 8 cups per day and my doctor friend (who is pink and floats in the middle of air dancing) says that is all OK...

  11. Great ./ post for Friday afternoon! by captainpanic · · Score: 1

    *gets distracted and runs off to the coffeemachine*
    Now... what was I doing?

  12. Coffee Cans? by bughunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    coffee can reduce the risk of alzheimer's

    coffee can protect nerves

    I rtfa but it didn't say how to apply the Coffee Can!

    (I save them you know. You never know when a coffee can will come in handy. But I didn't expect this!)

    --
    I can see the fnords!
    1. Re:Coffee Cans? by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Well, if it's aluminum, I have a hard time imagining it would help prevent Alzheimer's if you ate it. Alzheimer's patients have higher levels of aluminum in the brain, so lowering aluminum in the diet is probably wise. Perhaps if it was a steel can, eating it would do something. Most people could do with a little more iron in the blood. What's that you say? Whoooooosh? Dammit!

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    2. Re:Coffee Cans? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I rtfa but it didn't say how to apply the Coffee Can!

      To the head. At high velocity.

      Ouch!

    3. Re:Coffee Cans? by RockWolf · · Score: 1

      If your coffee comes in cans, you're doing it wrong.

      --
      February 9th, 2009 8:55pm: Slashdot becomes self-aware.
  13. How about tea then? by mancunian_nick · · Score: 1

    My grandmother died of alzheimer's related incident just after reaching her 100th birthday and just before Christmas. She, like myself, used to enjoy drinking tea - she used to have an occasional coffee with milk but usually tea. I drink tea by the pint mug full and have 2 or 3 whilst I'm at 'work' (part time/voluntary) in a normal mug and then sometimes 4, 5 or more big mugs of tea during the evening/night/morning. I am overweight (fighting hard to shed some lbs!) and have type 2 diabetes but surely tea still has caffeine in it? So should I stop drinking tea and take up coffee to avoid alzheimers in later life? I'm 'only' 55 now (18 in my head! :)) so maybe the sooner I start, the sooner I can 'protect' myself! Then again look how many foodstuffs scientists and governments have told us over the years will kill or maim us or make us infertile or put us in a wheelchair for the rest of our life or some other horrorendous sounding scare tactic yet I'm the type who never listened and carried on regardless and thankfully I'm still here despite continuing to eat beef during the beef crisis or lamb ditto or ... nah, won't bore everyone listing them. I'm sure we all remember only too well. :) So I'll carry on drinking tea until I get fed up with ... or maybe forget and start drinking coffee without realising it ... then maybe I'll start to believe that caffeine doesn't halt Alzheimers catching up with me but then maybe thankfully I won't be aware of it any longer so I'm off to think about something FAR more interesting and thoughtful and constructive! :D

    1. Re:How about tea then? by mewshi_nya · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, I think you may have started on the coffee already...

    2. Re:How about tea then? by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      Change the habits that are obviously bad for you -- smoking, for instance (not that you said you smoke) -- but otherwise live your life. That's my general take.

      As for Alzheimer's/dementia specifically, I try to stay informed on the topic. My grandfather also indirectly died from Alzheimer's, and my mom was diagnosed with dementia, which is probably Alzheimer's in actuality, at a remarkably early age (mid-fifties). In any case, there are a lot of resources being put into Alzheimer's research, and there appear to be some very promising treatments on the horizon. Should you or I have to worry about Alzheimer's, we'll have the benefit of having far more effective treatments available to us. (I just hope that something comes to market in time for it to be of material benefit to my mother.)

    3. Re:How about tea then? by Smauler · · Score: 1

      Screw changing habits that are bad for you if you enjoy them. I'll live my life and choose my poison wisely, thanks.

    4. Re:How about tea then? by mancunian_nick · · Score: 1
      Thank you SputnikPanic. Very interesting - actually I do smoke but I know it's a bad habit and would like to give up from a financial point of view and maybe health-wise too although having read of a man who lived to a ripe old age over 100 and smoked regularly throughout his life quite considerably, it makes you wonder. :)

      You're certainly correct with what you say about more effective treatments and screening and so on but I really would like to emphasise and join you in what you said about your mother - I hope something comes to market in time for her too. May your God bless you both, whoever/whatever (s)he may be. :)

  14. I'm skeptical by tjstork · · Score: 0

    MY grandfather drank coffee every day, and in his last years he got alzheimers. So, I wouldn't go around expecting drinking coffee to make you immune.

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    This is my sig.
    1. Re:I'm skeptical by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's always exceptions to the rule. If 5% of the people who don't drink coffee get it, yet 2% who do drink it don't, then there's a good chance it has some positive effect.

      That doesn't change the fact that 2% of the people drinking coffee STILL got it. It's all about reducing the odds.

      --
      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    2. Re:I'm skeptical by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Minor correction, should read: "yet only 2% who do drink it get it"

      --
      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    3. Re:I'm skeptical by stuckinarut · · Score: 1

      All that has been shown is that there is a reduced probability that you will get Alzheimers. To make a D&D analogy, say getting alzheimers is a roll of four or more. If you don't drink coffee you have to roll a 20D but if you do drink coffee only roll an 8D. Combining all the other lifestyle factors that can be statistically linked to alzheimers means you're just changing the number of sides your dice has. Some will mean you need more sides and are more likely to get it and sometime less sides so you're less likely. Immunity would be if you could roll a three sided dice!

    4. Re:I'm skeptical by Rogan's+Heroes · · Score: 1

      So, I wouldn't go around expecting drinking coffee to make you immune.

      That's good cause neither the researchers or the article said you would be.

    5. Re:I'm skeptical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OR for immunity, you could ya know, like roll a d4 if your cutpoint is 4+...

      Since the D4 is a common dice...:)

    6. Re:I'm skeptical by Zebano · · Score: 1

      While I find your analogy a cludgy way to explain probability, I realized back in high school that D&D did give me a significantly better understanding of statistics than many of my peers who didn't play.

      --
      You hate your job? There's a support group for that. It's called "everybody" and they meet at the bar. -Drew Carey.
    7. Re:I'm skeptical by db10 · · Score: 1

      Hey I rolled a nat 20 so you bitches can suck it!

    8. Re:I'm skeptical by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      Wait what? Since when does D&D use d8s for saving throws? It's the same die, the coffee just gives you a +1 bonus to the roll.

      --
      Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite (TM)
    9. Re:I'm skeptical by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      Great science there, now for the 'control' portion of your experiment you just need another identical grandfather with the exception that that one didn't drink coffee.

      I would venture to guess that he either would've been symptomatic earlier had he not drank the coffee, or he's one of the significant percentage who didn't show this effect. But either way, the existence of exceptions don't disprove anything, I wonder why people can't understand such a simple concept. The plural of anecdote is not data.

  15. I'm confused by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    > Middle-aged people who drank between three and five cups of coffee a day ...

    Doesn't that amount fall into the "danger" range for hallucinations? I wonder if there's any relationship between the parts of the brain that would be responsible for hallucinating and the parts that cause Alzheimer's? Also, if coffee can help block damage caused by cholesterol, would meds like Lipitor do the same thing? If it's a matter of antioxidants, wouldn't taking decent amounts of Vitamin C (which has a relatively high toxicity rate) do the same? Or drinking green tea? (And idea how common Alzheimer's is in cultures where tea is a regularly consumed beverage?)

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    1. Re:I'm confused by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that amount fall into the "danger" range for hallucinations?

      Yes.

      I wonder if there's any relationship between the parts of the brain that would be responsible for hallucinating and the parts that cause Alzheimer's?

      Yes. Alzheimer's causes dementia.

      Also, if coffee can help block damage caused by cholesterol, would meds like Lipitor do the same thing?

      Maybe. There is a link between cholesterol levels and Alzheimer's.

      If it's a matter of antioxidants, wouldn't taking decent amounts of Vitamin C (which has a relatively high toxicity rate) do the same?

      Not really. Vitamin C is water-soluble and it is therefore difficult to maintain decent levels of it in your blood.

      Or drinking green tea? (And idea how common Alzheimer's is in cultures where tea is a regularly consumed beverage?)

      I think I read somehwere that Alzheimer's was less common in the Far East. OTOH, diets are also very different, so that doesn't mean that green tea helps prevent Alzheimer's. But maybe it does.

    2. Re:I'm confused by Zebano · · Score: 1

      More pertinent (from my point of view) is do the super tasty convenient store cappuccinos have the same benefit?

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    3. Re:I'm confused by Locklin · · Score: 1

      > Middle-aged people who drank between three and five cups of coffee a day ...
        Doesn't that amount fall into the "danger" range for hallucinations? I

      Hallucinations from 3-5 cups a day?? Either you are mistaken, or this is all a hallucination... wait, if this is a hallucination, than you never said that... oh, I am so confused.

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    4. Re:I'm confused by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      I remember reading a couple of years ago that India has the lowest incidence of Alzheimer's in the world. There's been some consideration that turmeric may have certain properties that can help stave off Alzheimer's.

    5. Re:I'm confused by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      What about curry? Lots of Indian dishes have curry.

    6. Re:I'm confused by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      A significant portion of most curry powders is made up of turmeric. I'm not sure how researchers have come to pinpoint turmeric in that melange, but it seems to be the ingredient that continues to draw their focus.

    7. Re:I'm confused by Smauler · · Score: 1

      What? Turmeric is a common ingredient in curry. And what on earth does "lots of dishes have curry" mean? They are curry... curry is not an ingredient.

      If I've missed something obvious, I'll get the whooosh out the way first.

    8. Re:I'm confused by BeanThere · · Score: 1

      If it's a matter of antioxidants, wouldn't taking decent amounts of Vitamin C (which has a relatively high toxicity rate) do the same?

      Different antioxidants may do different things, in different parts of the body (and even in different people, and when that person is doing different things) ... for example, an antioxidant that is able to cross the blood-brain barrier will be able to help mop up free radicals with neuronal cells, while one that is not able to do so, will not be able to, but may be able to mop up free radicals in, say, muscle tissue. Different body processes can even result in the production of different amounts of free radicals in different parts of the body. The body is complex.

  16. Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by Drakin020 · · Score: 1
    FTA:

    The reason for this is as yet unknown, although it has been hypothesized that the high levels of antioxidants found in coffee may play a role in preventing dementia and Alzheimer's.

    Yeah, I seem to remember that some forms of Tea is also high in Antioxidants. I'm sure you could switch and not have to suffer the negative side affects from drinking coffee. Maybe that's too simple though....

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    1. Re:Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Wwwwwhhhhaaaattt nneeggaattiivvveeee ssssidddeee eefffffeecttsss?

    2. Re:Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .. some forms of Tea is also high in Antioxidants.

      Green Tea and White Tea, but I think the term bio-active components is more in place. Concentrations are dependent on the quality of tea as well and how it is prepared. Same goes for coffee.

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    3. Re:Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I know you probably meant that to be like jittering while trying to type on the keyboard, but I imagined someone falling off a tall building, stuck in a deep well, or a cave.

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    4. Re:Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Well, I was about to spout off on about how the aluminium content of tea was supposed to cause Alzheimer's, and that like, duh, coffee drinkers drink less tea.

      Fortunately I Googled before I leapt and it sounds like aluminium (and hence tea) is moving out of the frame....

      Still, you can see why people get bewildered by these announcements - especially when the refutations get less column inches than the initial shock! horror! claims.

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    5. Re:Uhh...I bet Tea could do the same. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Nahh, falling would have been more like:

      "Wwwwwhhhhaaaaaat sssssiiiiddeee efffffffeeeeecccc... *thud*"

  17. Re:These studies are so full of shit by trolltalk.com · · Score: 3, Funny

    I threw coffee on my senile grandfather for years. And all it got me was jail time.

    Idiot! You're supposed to take it out of the can first.

  18. speaking as someone who's experienced brain injury by haaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would much rather have hallucinations than worsening memory loss. Hell, having to re-learn five times in a row that my mother has died was bad enough...

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  19. Dear Slashdot: +1, Informative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot: News From Other Places, Stuff That's OLD.

    Cordially,
    Kilgore Trout.

  20. Maybe it's the hallucinations. by JonahsDad · · Score: 1

    Maybe it isn't the coffee that prevents Alzheimer's. Maybe it's the hallucinations. I suggest a new study involving coffee and other hallucinogens.

  21. I have to point out... by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 4, Funny

    However, researchers warn against drinking too much coffee, as 3 cups or more may cause hallucinations.

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    -Loyal

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  22. only 3 cups? by tabby · · Score: 1

    Then I should be seeing unicorns & emerald fairies by midday

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    1. Re:only 3 cups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I just told them what time it was. They've been at my place all morning. The frolicking I don't mind, but they're always mumbling some song about redrum and signs. Little known fact, unicorns have no sense of rythm.

      Something called a gnorf just informed me he's on loan from George Lucas' mind. He said not to be alarmed, but him and half the cast of Labyrinth will be in your attic tonight.

    2. Re:only 3 cups? by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      Wait until April 1. That's when the ponies show up.

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    3. Re:only 3 cups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a teenaged Jennifer Connelly is there, I'm not complaining.

  23. Phew! That Would Explain It Then.... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...a few months ago, after a particularly heavy coffee session, a video popped up on my PC screen that had some big fat sweaty bald bloke dancing across a big stage shouting "Developers" over and over again... and it was ALL the fault of that Java Sumatran blend...

    Oh wait...

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    1. Re:Phew! That Would Explain It Then.... by Locklin · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Java contributed to that video in one way or another.

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  24. Reduces the risk by... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 0

    It reduces the risk of Alzheimer by shortening your life span. You can't get the disease if you die before it has a chance to set in.

    My dad went to a nutritionist and had a complete profile done. On his followup visit to the nutritionist's office the nutritionist told him that he wanted him to not even worry about curbing his 2 pack a day smoking habit. What he wanted him to do was stop drinking coffee. (my dad had an old tall orange Tupperware cup that had coffee in it all day long) I think it helped him for the short time he cut out the coffee but it proved to be a stronger addiction than smoking which he was able to quit. He still died of emphysema though.

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    1. Re:Reduces the risk by... by philspear · · Score: 1

      It sounds like your nutritionist was insane, and I wouldn't put ANY stock in what he said about caffine. First of all, that's just just one guy's opinion, and not someone who studies alzheimers or the effects of caffine. Second, although the coffee probably didn't help, the nutritionist told him not to worry about quitting smoking? You'd be hard pressed to find many professionals who would tell you that. The coffee likely didn't cause the emphysema, the years of smoking did. Lastly, the word of the nutritionist doesn't hold much water against the current study.

    2. Re:Reduces the risk by... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      I'll be sure to let my dad know. I'm sure he'll be relieved.

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  25. Gout too by macemoneta · · Score: 1

    It's also been found effective against gout.

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  26. I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am incredibly not going to suffer from Alzheimer's. That's great news! Wait, what's great news?

  27. I submitted too late by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    But I wonder why "the age" was listed in this submission? I linked the AFP story from Yahoo news. There are a raft of newspapers to choiose this story from.

    I guess the submitter was an Australian. But in any case, this study and the newspaper stories about it seem far above the "coffee makes you hallucinate". Hallucination is a sign of schitzophrenia.

    A survey of one (me) backs up the anti-dementia study. I joke about forgetfulness, but I'm actually sharper than I was when I was young and drank less coffee. Sometimes correlation not only does not imply causation, it doesn't even always imply a link. I started drinking a lot of coffee as a cigarette substitute, and I think the niccotine had an adverse effect on my mental acuity.

    1. Re:I submitted too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually hallucinations are a *possible* symptom of schizophrenia. There are a multitude of other reasons for hallucinations to occur.

  28. Green tea by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Funny

    If cofee can do it, green tea probably can do it better with fewer side effects.

    Time to sip another cup of green tea...

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    1. Re:Green tea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realise that green tea also contains caffeine which is the substance thought to give coffee its side affects...right?

      Depending on how you brew it it can actually have more than a standard cup of coffee.

    2. Re:Green tea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how serious a green-tea drinker you are, but do yourself a favour and get a green tea that is actually green, eg. http://www.tealife.co.jp/shop/32.html
      That is an awesome tea for the price, and it's unfortunate that they don't ship out of Japan. If you know anyone there, see if they can ship you some. The closest supermarket green tea I've found in N.America is Stash's premium green tea, and even it is pretty poor compared to a real green tea...more like something you'd get as a throwaway in a a cheap lunch-box in Japan.
      Avoid any green tea that doesn't brew to a brilliant green, as it is probably just a black tea manufacturer harvesting a portion of their regular crop a little early and calling it a day.

    3. Re:Green tea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're probably right! For example, since green tea has up to 3 times the caffine of as coffee, the auditory and visual hallucinations should start after only one cup.;)

    4. Re:Green tea by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Not even black tea has as much caffeine as coffee. And green tea has even much less than black tea.

      Your data is inaccurate.

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    5. Re:Green tea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I'm in Japan for a month every year, my daily green tea consumption goes up from about 4 cups a day to somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 cups a day, and the only side effect is MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CRYSTAL CLEAR URINE. Who wants to sleep for more than 2 hours at a stretch, anyways?

  29. What's with the tags? by TiberSeptm · · Score: 1

    Aids and superaids? They're showing up as the top two tags, so is the implication that coffee prevents aids or causes superaids?

    1. Re:What's with the tags? by philspear · · Score: 1

      The tags really are annoying. They seem to exist only to make knee-jerk statements and stupid jokes. Something dealing in some way with genetics? It will be tagged iamlegend and whatcouldpossiblygowrong within seconds, even if it's not manipulation of DNA but just a study showing a normal state of DNA.

      If there is a typo or math error in the summary or title, that will be tagged 5 times. !Important.

  30. Coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it protects my nerves, why do I keep getting repeatedly bothered by my dumb boss or colleagues?

  31. What about those of us with low tolerance. by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

    I cannot drink coffee or I get incredibly manic. I wonder if there is some kind of product that will give the same benefit without the caffiene (does this apply to decaf?)

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  32. nerd pedantry by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1

    D3 is actually more common than D4 - any 6 sided die can represent it.

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    1. Re:nerd pedantry by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      No, no, that's d6 mod 3. Same probability, but a different die. This is a set of 3-sided dice.

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  33. Can't get a decent cup of coffee anymore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't mind drinking coffee, except that it's impossible to get a decent cup of the stuff anymore. Everybody is selling the same overbrewed, overroasted crap that Starbucks pushes, even McFreakinDonalds. I want a plain old cup of joe, like we had back in the day-- served by a chain-smoking waitress in an apron, not a teenage "barista" who can't be bothered to put down her cell phone while she serves me. (BTW, isn't a barista the post holding up the railing on my stairs?) Oh, and GTFOML.

  34. Ah, the antioxidant hypothesis by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1
    Although it's an easily understandable mechanism of action, and promoted by sellers of overpriced health foods, e.g. PomeGREAT! Juice...

    I thought that the antioxidant hypothesis had pretty much been debunked. If you have a functioning pancreas and liver, you don't need to supplement what's in your diet.

    And coffee doubling your chances if you drink more than 3 cups per day? I think the bad stats of the Relative Risk Increase is at work here. Let me see. Very very very low risk of something happening * 2 = still a very very very low risk of something happening.

  35. One of many. Others are... by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hard drugs.
    Hard liquor.
    Smoking.
    Jumping off tall buildings.
    Stepping out in front of a bus.

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  36. Re:These studies are so full of shit by Shikaku · · Score: 1

    His Alzheimers was to blame for that. He forgot how to brew coffee.

  37. coffee likes milk! by eleuthero · · Score: 1

    no, milk is produced to put into coffee--the opposite of coffee is probably alcohol or some such or maybe a fuzzy warm blanket... after all, it seems like the opposite of a liquid thing that makes you stay away should be something solid.

    1. Re:coffee likes milk! by Guido+von+Guido · · Score: 1

      Haven't you heard of Irish coffee? I've also had the occasional stout or porter brewed with coffee.

    2. Re:coffee likes milk! by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      so the only thing left is a fuzzy warm blanket, but some people drink coffee while using one, so I am going to have to change my opinion to 27 being the opposite of coffee as it is my wife's favorite number and she hates the stuff.

  38. MWF "coffee good" TuThSa "coffee bad" by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Its not just Slashdot that runs alternativing good-bad coffee stories in succession.
    I'm addicted. At least I dont have to make up my mind.

  39. coffee and religion... with a link! by eleuthero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A Christian friend of mine noted recently that there is a lot of hypocrisy about certain traditions--wanting to take his faith seriously but still comment on the absurdity of part of how some look at it, he wrote the following:

    Coffee as a means of grace

    In answer to the tradition of Christmas, I don't think many Christians would say that Christ was born on 25 December, rather that they wanted to celebrate his incarnation as a human and figured a midwinter date was as good as any (with about as much evidence for midwinter as any other time). It wasn't until marketing got a hold of it in the early 20th century that Christmas even became the important Christian holiday. Before that, a number of Christian holidays held roughly equal significance and some even more importance (e.g., Easter, whose rough date is known on the basis of lunar calendars).

    In terms of "wanting to drink someone's blood," the celebration of the Lord' Supper / Eucharist is not the same from one Christian tradition to another with many taking it as a memorial / remembrance with others viewing it as an act of spiritual thanksgiving (hence the term "Eucharist" which means "thanksgiving"). The idea of blood sacrifice though is tied to it whether it is a memorial or a type of participation (real or otherwise)--part of Christianity is hard to swallow because today we don't want to think anything requires the ultimate price. All too often looking in the news, I think we try to avoid painful realities like death because they aren't comfortable.

    Take it all for what it's worth, thanks for "reading" if you made it this far.

    1. Re:coffee and religion... with a link! by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      We know it wasn't in December. "Shepherds watched their flock by night." Definitely not the winter, and the most likely date was 6 B.C., which made all the people who went nuts about "the rapture will happen in 2000" really look stupid, since 1994 would have been the "real" date.

      It wasn't until marketing got a hold of it in the early 20th century that Christmas even became the important Christian holiday.

      . . . as opposed to that great holiday Hallowe'en, where people can party on in complete anonymity . . .

      The "wanting to drinl someone's blood" is just another of the facets of christianity that point to its' beginnings as a syncretic religion - one composed of bits and pieces pulled from other religions (There really is nothing new under the sun ...) Christmas festivities are a rip-off of the Roman feast of Saturnus, for exqmple

      All too often looking in the news, I think we try to avoid painful realities like death because they aren't comfortable.

      Death is painless ... getting there, on the other hand ... :-)

    2. Re:coffee and religion... with a link! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      quote: (hence the term "Eucharist" which means "thanksgiving")

      Not really, it's from the Greek:

      Eu= good
      charism = gift

      Not thanksgiving, but the "good gift".

      Hard to swallow? OW! :)

    3. Re:coffee and religion... with a link! by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      and this is why... root error is problematic in dealing with the meaning of words in foreign languages... or even in our own. By your logic, "parkway" should be a place you park your car. Sure, it literally means "good gift" just as "de nada" literally means "of nothing," but when translated idiomatically, we get "thanksgiving" and "you're welcome"

  40. Coffee by alfredo · · Score: 1

    It didn't help my mother. She knocked back the coffee like a real pro. The operative words are "can reduce." I have a 50 50 chance of coming down with Alzheimer's. I'm doing what I can to protect myself, but I know "can reduce" means little compared to "will prevent."

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  41. Coffee's primary health benefit by PPH · · Score: 1

    Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.

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  42. I need more than 3 Cups by rssrss · · Score: 1

    "3 cups or more may cause hallucinations."

    So, I am hallucinating that I am awake?

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  43. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now I'll be able to remember all of those awesome hallucinations I've been having!

    Forget the hallucination stuff. Look at the spider web studies.

    Various studies have been done giving drugs to spiders, and using their webs as evidence of the effects. My family doctor has a poster of these webs in his offices to show patients what these substances can do to you, and I think most people would be shocked at how extremely the spiders were affected by caffeine, which you can see in this photo.

    My wife's mother has Alzheimer's, and she lives with us, so I'm acutely aware of what it does to people, and heavy doses of caffeine is definitely the lesser of two evils here. But it will still be nice to have a treatment that doesn't have it's own harsh side effects.

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    1. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Dose is important. What caffeine dosage were the spiders on?

      Also, caffeine is used by plants as a pesticide vs insects so it may affect spiders more than humans even on a per body weight dose. Though spiders aren't insects I won't be surprised if they are closer to insects than humans are when it comes to caffeine.

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    2. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Smauler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Various studies have been done giving drugs to spiders, and using their webs as evidence of the effects. My family doctor has a poster of these webs in his offices to show patients what these substances can do to you,

      I'd agree with that. I had a couple of cups the other day, and my web turned out completely crap - didn't catch any flies either. You know, not all of us have been bitten by a radioactive spider or are in any other way closely related to spiders. You'd be better off warning people off chocolate by showing pictures of dead dogs - at least they're mammals.

    3. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should have linked to the video version instead.

    4. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      So the lesson is never drink coffee and spin a web right after. Got it.

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    5. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Tink2000 · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent Up +1 Funny As Hell!

    6. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Duke+of+URL · · Score: 2, Informative

      No matter what your mother-in-law says, you're not an insect. It is an insecticide of sorts and is a useful way for the plant to prevent insect problems. Caffeine has very different effects on humans.

      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffiene

      And better yet, read: The World of Caffeine: The Science and Culture of the World's Most Popular Drug

    7. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although a spider is not an insect, most insects are killed by caffeine, that is why the plants produce it. I don't know of people that have been killed by caffeine, the LD50 for humans is very high.

    8. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      That wasn't silk coming out of you...

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    9. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by phosphorylate+this · · Score: 1

      These web-photos look cool but are misleading.

      The man-made compounds like LSD have never gone through rounds of selection to increase their effects on insects/arachnids - thus no change in web. In contrast other compounds (caffine for example) are plant poisons specifically evolved to prevent predation by insects. That they give humans a brief jolly is incidental. Incidental but selected for as we tried every plant out there to find the handful with poisons that give us a brief high but won't kill us. Arachnid neuronal systems are closer to insects than ours are hence the insect poisons have more of their original intended effect. Thus the spider responses are completly different to human responses. Always be cautious of animal tests :)

      Still, the webs make a great T-shirt

    10. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by PostPhil · · Score: 1

      According to this Wikipedia article (so take with a grain of salt), caffeine acts as a natural pesticide for insects, but for humans it's a stimulant. That may explain why the spiders would have so much difficulty with caffeine, but the comparison doesn't hold so well for humans. (LSD is far more mind-altering...) Then again, it does mention the lesser-known problem of "caffeine intoxication" that goes undetected as a factor for other psychological problems.

    11. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      Although a spider is not an insect, most insects are killed by caffeine, that is why the plants produce it. I don't know of people that have been killed by caffeine, the LD50 for humans is very high.

      That sounds like a challenge.

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    12. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arthropods (like spiders) are poor animal models for humans; their neurological system is very different (relevant to *any* neurotoxin), and of course they don't have many of the major organs we do (liver, kidneys, lungs, the spleen...) which in humans serve to eliminate neurotoxins quickly.

      As an example: pyrethrins and pyrethroids, derived from chrysanthemum plants, are toxic to spiders in microscopic quantities. The spider-scaled dose equivalent to a gram in a 70kg human being will kill almost any spider; humans can practically *eat* them. The oral LD50 for allethrin, for example, is ~ 1g/kg in rats and 4g/kg in rabbits. In a standard human (70kg) that means a couple of heaping tablespoons of pure allethrin powder all at once. Table salt is not significantly less toxic. The oral LD50 for ants and fruit flies is expressed in fractional micrograms per kilogram.

      Spiders are simply more susceptible to a variety of plant toxins than humans. Caffeine is one of them.

      Finally, wrt your photo of the spider web, there is a longer study summarized by this video by the Canadian National Wildlife Service (part of Environment Canada) here.

    13. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      In his hallucination it was.

    14. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Judging from the LSD does in that photo (around 4 times the equivalent per body weight threshold dosage for humans), I'd say a lot.

    15. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Those photos are such a load of crap. Spiders have a drastically different neurological physiology from ours. They're not organized the same way, they don't have the same antagonist receptors, nor do the receptors do the same thing.

    16. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      You'd have to either do pills, or caffeine syrup. You can't physically drink enough coffee (or virtually energy drink) quickly enough to OD on caffeine. Unless you're willing to die of a ruptured bladder first.

    17. Re:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Forget the hallucination stuff. Look at the spider web studies.

      hey Man, they're all so beautiful...peace out

  44. Re:One of many. Others are... by philspear · · Score: 1

    You forgot sex and rock and roll. Oh shit! You're already showing symptoms!

  45. it's all so logical by plopez · · Score: 1

    coffee is good for the brain. coffee causes hallucinations. peyote causes hallucinations. looks like I picked the wrong week to quit taking peyote!

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  46. LOL!! I can deal with hallucinations.... by lmr2020 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Except that I've never had any....from coffee anyway. I have been drinking at least 4 cups per day for the past 40 years and never had any adverse affects, it doesn't even keep me awake. Hell, at my age, I might actually welcome a hallucination or two. ;)

  47. caffeine stimulates the mind/brain by opypod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    has it occurred to anyone that it may have nothing to do with chemical interactions at the level they're describing it? there's a fairly well known study with old nuns, where it was shown that active minds are less likely to get alzheimers. could it be that the stimulated brains of coffee drinkers is the real protective effect? if so, perhaps soda-fueled developers will also have lower rates of alzheimers.

    1. Re:caffeine stimulates the mind/brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But higher rates of type 2 diabetes?

  48. Crap... no coffee here. by Onyma · · Score: 1

    I never drink coffee. I can't remember why though.

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  49. No Way by raminator · · Score: 1

    I don't believe this for a second. I have seen many of my older family members that drank coffee all the time still get it.

  50. Coffee Can Reduce the Risk of Alzheimer's by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just my luck, I get my coffee in bags, not cans.

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  51. Caffeine gave me scary tremors by steveha · · Score: 2, Informative

    I can vouch for the dangers of too much caffeine.

    I accidentally started drinking a lot more caffeine than usual, and after a while, I started having worse and worse tremors. My hands would shake. The day I went to see my doctor about it, I had to concentrate furiously to get my hand steady enough to sign my signature at the front desk.

    We didn't know what was going on. I was certain it wasn't the coffee I was drinking, because coffee had never been a problem for me before. My doctor gave me some tests, and told me he was sure it wasn't anything scary (Parkinson's disease or something). He recommended I start taking magnesium supplements.

    I took the magnesium and it helped right away! Then over time the tremors started to get worse again. I was starting to get scared.

    My doctor sent me to a neurologist. I decided to cut out all coffee for a week or so before visiting the neurologist; I was still certain coffee wasn't the cause of my problems, but I figured it would be helpful to remove one variable from the equation. After being tested in various ways while hooked up to cool machines, I was ruled not to have anything scary. More importantly, after a week with no coffee, I was starting to feel a lot better.

    So I decided to stay off the coffee. I had some bad withdrawal symptoms (headache, etc.) and took a lot of aspirin and ibuprofen. (And around this time I started to get bad tinnitus on top of everything else!)

    Now I am mostly off caffeine. I sometimes have a single cup of caffeinated coffee. The tremors have passed and I'm grateful that my symptoms are gone. (The tinnitus stopped when I stopped taking the aspirin and ibuprofen.)

    An important thing I want to tell you: I never drank a cup of coffee and then immediately had my hands start shaking. I had a gradual onset of hand tremors and it was chronic, with no obvious increase right after I drank coffee. This convinced me the tremors could not be caused by the coffee, but now I am convinced that they were.

    You may be wondering how I could accidentally start overdosing on caffeine. Well, I started working in a building where the coffee was awful (Farmer Brothers commercial coffee service), so I started making my own coffee using an Aeropress. This is an excellent coffee maker (Dan likes it!), and I still use it and recommend it. But when I first got it, I was using caffeinated coffee, and I was trying to make "doppio ristretto" portions for myself, so I was using two scoops of finely ground espresso beans. I now believe that one AeroPress scoop of coffee makes a double shot, so I was effectively drinking four espresso shots worth of caffeine; and I usually drank two of these per day. So while I thought I was drinking 4 espresso shots worth of caffeine, I suspect I was drinking 8 shots worth, possibly even a little more.

    As the saying goes, the dose makes the poison. I drank reasonable portions of caffeine for years and didn't notice any ill effects at all; it was only when I drank too much that I had the scary tremors.

    If you get hand tremors, I do suggest you cut out all caffeine for a while and see if it helps.

    steveha

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  52. The Study Funded by Juan Valdez Foundation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...And Starbucks.

  53. I don't remember... by nomorecwrd · · Score: 1

    Should I quit coffee or increase dosage???

    Now what... smoking prevents glaucoma???

    1. Re:I don't remember... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Smoking, yes. Tobacco, no. (http://www.glaucoma.org/treating/medical_marijua.php)

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  54. What If... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You brew your coffee in an aluminum (or aluminium for non-US) vessel?

    Al is supposed to be a root cause of Alzheimer's Disease. Does the magical elixir counteract or negate the effects of the aluminum?

    And what about if you like your java extra sweet? Will coffee negate the effects of excess sugar consumption and its side-effect, obesity in causing type-2 diabetes?

    All of these studies are bullshit.

    Just east a well balanced diet with a few treats now and then and avoid excess. And pay no attention to nonsense like this study.

  55. they say it as if it were a bad thing... by OutOnARock · · Score: 1


    However, researchers warn against drinking too much coffee, as 3 cups or more may cause hallucinations.

  56. Hallucinatory cure by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

    No, no. Believing that alzheimer's has been averted is simply one of the hallucinations.

  57. News flash from the future... by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

    coffee found to increase risk of certain cancers. I give it a date of 2012. For those that doubt me you should know by now that pretty much everything gives you cancer.

  58. I'm scared but don't know why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The good news is that I can have coffee induced hallucinations and not remember it tomorrow.

  59. They Never Seem to Say About DeCaff by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Virtually every coffee study I see never seems to distinguish between regular and decaff coffee. I'd prefer decaff with the same benefits otherwise.

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  60. 3 cups - hallucinations? You need more training. by slashbart · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    What a load of bull... And define cups of coffee: the big mugs of strong stuff we drink here in the Netherlands, or the slightly stained warm water of the U.S. or the tarmac residue in Turkey.

  61. Coffee, Alzheimers and HSV? by Centurix · · Score: 1

    I'm just wildly speculating here, but could the coffee and the Herpes Simplex virus be mixed into the Alzheimers pot here? Could the intake of caffeine reduce the effects of HSV-1 and HSV-2? Maybe Alzheimers could be treated by Lysine?

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  62. Can someone answer a question for me? by Burnhard · · Score: 1

    I mostly drink decafe - would the potential health benefits remain the same, or is it caffeine that's the real benefit here?

  63. Correlation != causation by AlejoHausner · · Score: 1
    Yet another epidemiological study. Yes, it's suggestive, but doesn't really prove a causal connection. There could be all sorts of reasons for the observed effect:
    1. People who drink coffee may tend to be wealthier than those who do not. There are well-known correlations between social status and health (there was a big study on British civil servants that showed this).
    2. People who drink coffee may go to the doctor more often. It is known that people who visit doctors often take better care of themselves (whatever that means), and tend to be healthier.
    3. Coffee, like all foods, is a complicated mix of many chemicals. Any one of them could be active in the effect.
    4. Coffee influences the levels of glucose in the blood. It stimulates the secretion of adrenaline, which makes the liver release glycogen as glucose into the blood. There are well-known correlations between high blood sugar and Alzheimer's. One interesting theory is that the enzyme in brain cells responsible for clearing out amyloid protein reacts to insulin, and its function may be impaired by too much insulin. Too much insulin is a natural consequence of too much blood sugar.

    Alejo

  64. Wat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call Bullsh!t

  65. Damned if you do... by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

    ...damned if you don't, seems three cups is never enough for some of us:

    Coffee Lowers Gout Risk

    Coffee-Swilling Men Get Less Gout, Study Shows

    By Daniel J. DeNoon
    WebMD Health News

    Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD

    May 25, 2007 - The more coffee men drink, the lower their risk of gout. At least four cups a day lower gout risk by 40%, a Canada/U.S. study shows.

    Gout starts with a buildup of uric acid in the blood. This results in deposits of uric acid crystals in the joints and surrounding areas, causing swelling and intense pain.

    The new study is based on data from nearly 46,000 male medical professionals enrolled in the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study. Over 12 years, 757 of these men developed gout, report Hyon K. Choi, MD, DrPH, of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, and colleagues.

    Because the men filled out detailed diet questionnaires, Choi's team was able to track the men's self-reported use of coffee and tea.

    They found that the more coffee the men drank, the less likely they were to have gout.

    Drinking one to three cups of coffee a day lowered gout risk by only 8%. But drinking four or five cups a day dropped gout risk by 40%. And true coffee addicts -- those who drank six cups a day or more -- had nearly a 60% lower risk of gout.

    Caffeine, whether from coffee, tea, or both, was not related to gout risk. Tea, it turned out, did not decrease gout risk.

    But decaffeinated coffee did have an effect, although it wasn't as large as the effect of the high-test brew. Men who drank one to three cups of decaf had a 33% lower risk of gout. Those who drank four cups of decaf a day -- or more -- had only a 27% lower gout risk.

    It's not clear why coffee lowers gout risk. Choi and colleagues note that coffee is a major source of a strong antioxidant, phenol chlorogenic acid, that may affect gout risk.

    "Our findings are most directly generalizable to men age 40 years and older (the most gout-prevalent population) with no history of gout," Choi and colleagues suggest.

    It's not yet known whether women who drink coffee are at lower risk of gout.

    The findings appear in the June 2007 issue of the journal Arthritis & Rheumatism.

    SOURCE: Choi, H.K. Arthritis & Rheumatism, June 2007; vol 56: pp 2048-2054.

    © 2007 WebMD Inc. All rights reserved.

    Shamelessly pilfered from
    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=81383&pf=3&page=1

    (Sorry couldn't find the original source)

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  66. Aluminium vindicated! by hellop2 · · Score: 1

    I always knew aluminium sprinkles did more than just taste good.

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