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Wife of Harried Pirate Bay Witness Gets Buried in Internet Love
treqie writes "During the trial of pirate bay yesterday, a professor (Roger Wallis) took the witness stand. He told the court things that the prosecutors did not want to hear. The prosecutors then tried to discredit both him and his team's work in the area, as well as his title, it was a real spectacle. In the end, the judge asked if he wanted compensation for being there — he replied that he did not want anything, but they could send flowers to his wife. Many listening online heard, and began sending her flowers, from all over the world. As of this submission, the sum is over 40,000 SEK worth of flowers. There's even a Facebook group for it."
Isn't that a bit sticky?
...to the phrase "Flower Power" :D
Laters Sol "Have you found the secrets of the universe? Asked Zebade "I'm sure I left them here somewhere"
There's a Facebook group for everything. There's even a Facebook group who's whole statement is that there are too many useless groups on Facebook.
My twitter
Someone might appreciate a link to a sample of his work...
Whenever I do something that pisses off my girlfriend (yes, I'm one of the rare slashdotters with a SO), ask random people on the Internet to send her flowers, giving them her address in between.
On a second thought, do I still have the address of my bitch ex-girlfriend? Hmmmm *punders*
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Wife of Harried Pirate Bay Witness Gets Buried in Internet Love
....makes my eyes bleed.
I do not support "The Man". I also do not support your irrational stupidity
When I read the headline, that's not what I pictured. :/
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
In this day and age you want to send them free energy? Send them a rotten banana peel. Pretty sure they haven't made Mr. Fusion a reality.
I do not support "The Man". I also do not support your irrational stupidity
40000 kr SEK = $4446.68 USD = €3501.32 EUR
It should be noted that the krona is worth about $0.11, so it ends up being like $4,446. For those of us who purchased long stems for our loved ones last Valentines that comes up to about 3 roses and a plush teddy bear or a handful of Gerber daises and a cardboard and macaroni "I luv U" card.
He proposed half an hour after we met and I said maybe. After a day, he had convinced me.
can I send a lump of coal to Danowsky, Pontén and Wadsted?
Sure. Just send it to IFPI.com. For added effect, sprinkle some flour on it.
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The music industry should start selling flowers - you can't download those for free! Of course, they'll have to make sure the flowers can't produce any seeds.
And that, my friends, is how you spur on economic recovery. With one sentence, he managed to save the floral industry in his town.
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One of my papers for my MBA was the study of piracy. My study recommended that there is ZERO link between lost revenue and torrent downloads BECAUSE they are from people they would never have done business in the first place. If someone downloads it for free, it's not lost revenue because they were never a customer to begin with. Yet these companies try to stop the 'thieves' who are not even going to become their customer.
My paper also showed that the issue was pirates selling full-priced products as the real-deal, not lost sales from never-would-be-a-customer. Even a bigger issue - these free downloads ALMOST 100% garner interest in these products - so that when they had money, or felt they wished to support a product, the former free-bee turned them into a paying customer to get a new version.
With that kind of data out there, these industry giants are forgetting the #1 tactic of product placement - give it away free, later a client they will be. That's Biz-101. It's obvious these giants are out of touch with reality.
Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things. - Peter F. Drucker
Business is a brutal and if you are not willing to do something like Valve's Steam that gives something for giving up something I have no sympathy. Adapt to the market place and quit complaining.
Before someone yells "Oh my, you could compare the rise of aids cases to lost sales and your graph would look the same" just shut up ok? Just shut the fuck up because you're another useless slashdot tool spouting the same "I HAVE A RIGHT TO STEAL OTHERS WORK" retoric that I've read on this fucking site for the last 10 years. There is a direct correlation between piracy and lost sales, I've seen it. Grow up.
I'm now beginning to feel suspicious of the possibility that you may have an agenda.
It's funny, cuz it really doesn't. Not in Russia anyway.
--Edward Dassmesser
I've seen 8 American karaoke labels die in the last 10 years, and as of now there's only like 3 or 4 left.
Yes, piracy has a direct impact on overall sales but in the grand scheme of things (the actual music market, not the tiny niche you want to show a link to) it doesn't make much of a dent especially when the majority of people don't pirate.
And just as an aside, we can all hope that when the last 3 or 4 die that the entire industry will fall into a pit, burn, and rot the death it deserves. I'm sorry but I don't see the necessity to foster an environment where drunken idiots sing worse than the mediocrity displayed by the original singer/songwriter while other drunken retards cheer them on. That entire fad is pointless, painful, and horrendous for the rest of us that want to drown our sorrows in fucking peace and quiet. /rant.
Selling karaoke CDs to DJs is not the same thing as selling CDs to consumers. It's a different market. Those DJs are using the items whose copyright they infringed to earn a profit, through public performance of the work.
As such, you and those in your industry will have a much easier time tracking down and winning suits against them. Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, don't the venues where the "KJs" perform have to have the music public performance stickers on their doors or face big fines? Why don't you hook up with that group and have them spot check not only the stickers but that the music being publicly performed is a licensed copy?
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
Those pirates are spending money on flowers instead of our media! Quick, summon the lawyers!
We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
The compensation mentioned wasn't due to the harassment from the prosecutors' side, but rather due to the Swedish legal principle that anyone testifying in court is entitled to compensation for expenses and loss of income.
Here, let me give you some education:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
That's a lovely troll ya got going there.
Unfortunately there is evidence that shows that the necline of Napster directly contributed to the decline in CD sales and visa versa when Napster was in it's glory days. CD sales were skyrocketing during the time of Napster so your "data" doesn't even attempt to make a counter claim.
Don't expect people to just shut up when you present your argument in the manner in which you have. Now we have the days of XM and Pandora, last.fm, magnatunes, and a slew of others to provide us with free music or nearly free music so CD sales aren't as compelling as they once were. Now the only time we buy CDs is when an artist puts out something truly worth while. The days of buying one or two discs a week are simply gone.
Now let's look at your graph again and conclude that people have once again lost interest in Karaoke which I can attest to in all the bars I frequent, people that do it are few and far between these days. Instead I'm seeing guitar hero taking up the music at a number of bars in addition to regular DJ work.
Sorry, there is absolutely nothing compelling about your data. Compare the same numbers against gross per-capita spending during those times and look at a similar decline as the economy slid into where it is today.
Shout as much as you want, mate, those stats mean *nothing*. Two lines vaguely in inverse "correlation" for only half the graph (and correlation for the other half, because you "took the sales numbers (like 191.1 mill) and multiplied each of them by 1000 so the line graph would start out somewhat even.", so the actual correlation is between one line and one THOUSANDTH of the other line, which means that the "curve" on sales is barely a blip and perfectly within the error margin of such pathetically collected data) without some sort of context do NOT mean they are linked, in any way, shape or form.
This is why we have professors of mathematics and statistics and why *they* are the ones who are tested in court and found to be reliable and accurate, because they *can* pick out a million faults with your data collection, plotting, analysis, etc. without even having to think about it, prove why you're wrong, and show you the *real* figure. Unfortunately, even most lawyers have no concept of mathematics which is why there are such things as case-law describing how DNA "matches" MUST be worded, tested, analysed and interpreted, because depending on what you measure and how you word the answer you can go from a "one in a billion" match to a "90%" match with the same two sets of DNA data. Look into things like the birthday problem (how many people do you need in a room for there to be a 50% chance of two having the same birthday?) to see how utterly careful you have to be and how atrociously bad humans are at judging probability and statistics.
Your figures (if I *were* to take them as accurate, and replotted them as they should be plotted without arbitrary fiddling) actually show me that there is probably NO correlation at all. I don't know if I believe whether there is a correlation in real life or not, I've not analysed it and I'd be a fool to say I definitely believe either possible outcome in advance, but this man has stood up to a court's test without the opposition managing to debunk his statistics - that holds more than enough water with me.
Did you expect no one to click on your link?
You imply a negative correlation (higher postings, lower sales). However, looking at your graph, a positive correlation exists in 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2006... which leaves only a negative correlation in 2003 and 2005. (And both changes from 2002 to 2003 were insignificant, giving you one data point that supports your conclusion).
Furthermore, instead of charting sales in units, you charted sales in dollars. Given that a trivial reading of your source points out the decreasing prices of CDs, and the decrease of new content (11 new CDs in 2007), this seems to make sense. After all, most karaoke is old songs that, once purchased, don't have to be purchased again.
Also, refuting "correlation is not causation" via shouting is pathetic. There are other ways to do so, try one of them.
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Correllation does not imply Causation.
Having seen some of the karaoke subs produced by anime fansubbers, I'm willing to bet that fan made karaoke videos will produce higher quality content than any professional label. In the face of ubiquitous video editing software, your industry has simply succumbed to its own irrelevance.
May the Maths Be with you!
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That is the address if any one wants to send flowers to her
I don't understand how this fellows testimony as to the relationship between album sales and file sharing is relevant. If they broke the law, they broke the law whether or not the record industry lost money. If they didn't break the law, then they did nothing wrong, even if it did cost the record industry money. Does it not work this way in Sweden?
Copyright is an interesting thing. Making a copy isn't actually "theft." The notion of "copyright" is to protect the revenue and value of a work. In fact, in the U.S. one of the limiters of "fair use" is a profit motive and/or a diminished value of the work.
If it can be argued that no harm comes to the value or marketability of a work from mere p2p sharing, then the "spirit" of copyright is not broken, and, in fact, may fall easily into the realm of "fair use" because it is distributed without commercial interest.
So, if two people sharing a work electronically falls under the umbrella of "fair use" in Sweden, then there can be no contribution to a crime by the TPB guys.
"She was very worried before the trial. They questioned my competence and that made her very sad. She hadnâ(TM)t slept for two days," Roger said.
Just goes to show that courage, morality and determination are rewarded. And with that, my faith is restored....
I have left slashdot and am now on Soylent News. FUCK YOU DICE.
I'm sure the wives of the Prosecutors must feel overlooked. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to send them?
See here:
http://yodo.se/wallis/
I don't know what the fuck 99% of that site says, but the following near the bottom seems pretty clear! -
"Thanks to all of you who have sent flowers to the Wallis. But enough is enough. With flowers, vases, teddybears and chocolate for over $5000 they allready got more than they can handle."
Of course I'm sure dropping a message or something may be a nice gesture to show your support, that or a cheque for a small amount to not buy an RIAA affiliated music CD with or something ;)
There is even a web page in english, where people can report what they give. Near the bottom of the page is a list of articles from around the world about this. There has even been written a tribute song to him after his testimony, which Wired covered here.
And this court case has really helped the Pirate Party of Sweden. During the last week they have gotten over 1000 new members, which makes them the second-largest opposition party (in member count) in Sweden. Their youth organisation has also grown to become the second-largest political youth organization in Sewden.
True. That's why they invented vodka.
Redundancy is good And also good.
Seriously - you may not agree with what the prosecutors are doing, you may not even like them. But it's nothing to do with their wives and families. Leave them out of it.
This is an academic that is being *asked* to give up his valuable time to help the State in a case. Trying to destroy his reputation is completely unacceptable. To the professor, giving evidence in this trial is just a brief inconvenience whilst he pursues his career. Instead it turns out he was very brave to take on an organisation that acts like the mafia. His wife deserve those flowers, and the Pirate Bay have scored a massive victory in swinging public opinion in their favour.
Phillip.
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steal (yes it is appropriate, because it means taking something without paying, regardless of the lack of a physical item taken).
No, it is not appropriate because you are NOT taking something away from someone.
When my old cassette from a movie soundtrack got chewed up by the tape deck and I couldn't buy the CD because it was out of print and there was 0% chance that it would come back in print, finding those songs through "piracy" was not stealing, because they won't take my money even when I drive downtown and try to give it to them.
They are stealing from me by denying me access to the cultural elements that interest me.
And I don't want to buy the crap I keep hearing on the radio every time I walk into a shop, I demand reparation for the mental anguish caused by having their crappy tunes stuck in my head! A thousand US dollar per iteration of that suffering... I figure I'm owed a few millions, to say the least.
You can't take the sky from me...
Those that just out and out steal (yes it is appropriate, because it means taking something without paying
In copyright infringement nothing is "taken," something is "copied." If you're trying to sell a painting, and I sit down next to it and paint an exact copy and walk away, I have done something that is illegal, but I have not stolen your painting. The same concept applies if I copy your painting through easy technological means, such as taking a very high resolution picture of it.
A requirement for theft is that the victim no longer has the product. And no, you can't argue that I've "stolen the money from the sale" because that's not money you had which you no longer have. When I copy your painting in the example above, I may decide not to buy your painting, but I'm not being charged with theft of your sale, you'd sue me for copyright infringement.
I'm not going to get into the ethics of pirating, because there are obvious philosophical differences at hand and it comes down to your beliefs. However, there's no gray area on the theft thing, no room for discussion. Many things are wrong and many things are illegal, and most of things are not theft. You don't call fraud theft, you can't call copyright infringement theft either.
Well I moved back to my parents basement. Actually I quite like it here. I did have girlfriends, nearly a wife, but not too bothered about that now I can spend my money on computers and stuff.
You Insensitive Clod.