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Cameron's Avatar a 3D Drug Trip?
bowman9991 writes "James Cameron's first movie since Titanic, his upcoming science fiction epic Avatar, has a budget pushing US$200 million and enough hype to power a mission to Mars. Now it appears the 3D technology he created to turn his vision into a reality, the key to Avatar's success or failure, may be habit forming. Dr. Mario Mendez, a behavioral neurologist at the University of California, said it is entirely possible Cameron's 3D technology could tap brain systems that are undisturbed by conventional 2D movies. Cameron himself believes 3D viewing 'is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2D viewing doesn't' and that stereoscopic (3D) viewing uses more neurons, which would further heighten its impact."
I personally plan on smoking some weed before I see it.
I wish I knew where I could find some mushrooms...
Do we get 3d porn!!
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At $200 million, they're approaching the ability to fund a mission to Mars.
After watching several 3D movies back to back, I now find myself completely addicted to 3D and finding myself craving it all the time in my everyday life. I've tried to give it up, but after only a few minutes of having one eye shut I start to get a headache and my eye muscles get sore, not to mention I'm completely unable of functioning and find myself bumping into things and knocking things over when I reach for them. James Cameron must be stopped!
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Just because something is 3d, it doesn't necessarily excite the brain... I'm staring at my desk in 3d right now, and all I feel is bordom...
I'm not surprised it'd be habit forming, with the amount of pills Dr Mario throws down patients' throats.
Damn, now I want to pull out a SNES and play Mixed Match..
IIRC, a small little art film called Titanic cost over $200 mil to make.
In other news, a purveyor of some media claims it's the best thing evar!!11!! You'll have to pay 10$ to see for yourself, but do not miss it!
I think the only important word in the article is $200M. This means hype, and lots of it. Don't be fooled kids, they need you to help pay for this cartoon.
They said this before when 3D movies first came out. It was a new thing and they talked about possible side-effects, euphoric experiences, etc. This is nothing new. You just wear dinky sunglasses in the dark, that's all.
This is just hype and I don't have high hopes for Avatar...
...to push stories from years ago as if they were just published to the masses. The article is from November 2007.
If that annoying Wesley Crusher and his (almost) girlfriend don't interfere with the plan!
"It was like doing some kind of drug," he said, describing a scene showing Sam Worthington running around "with this kind of hot alien chick," and being attacked by jaguarlike creatures. He was sprinkled with sprites that floated down, like snowflakes. "You feel like the little feathery things are landing on your arm".
In other words, it's a typical fantasy movie with spaceships masquerading as science fiction.
Finally, is it me or is this an Onion story reject? A bit more funny and it'd fit right in.
the only memory i have after seeing a 3D movie, is how much the cheap paper glasses hurt the bridge of my nose
So far the only thing I've heard Cameron talk about this movie is about how this movie is going to be ultra realistic 3D rendering. At which point it begs the question why not just use live actors from the get go? The biggest obstacle you have when doing hyper realistic 3D productions is the uncanny valley and getting characters that wind up looking like wax statues. Plus these live action directors have zero head for directing animation. Think Polar Express and Monster House. It's all mocap since they can't deal with regular animation pipelines. And mocap presents even more problems with believability, since if everything's not bang on 100% real, the jerky movement you get with mocap ruins the experience. There are reasons animation principles were developed.
If this movie winds up giving people fake memories it could very well result in horrible nightmares...
And that was the last Terry Fox run I ever participated in.
...so I'll try to rescue you once you're in the movie. Remember: take the red pill.
I saw The Terminator 3D at universal studios when I was 8, and I've been looking for John Connor since then.
Dr. Mario? Gotta envy the guy. He's got like a bazillion video games named after him and everything.
Neal Stephenson called it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_crash
One of the plot devices is a drug that can be absorbed visually.
Interestingly, Stephenson is also the one who coined the modern use of 'Avatar' in virtual worlds.
No, seriously though, guys, this 3d movie IS SOOOO 3d, that if it made sense, I'd just go ahead and label it with a few more dimensions. In fact, it's 4d! By the time you leave the theater, you'll feel like you're in the future! Hours will have passed!
TLDR: 3d is the same as it's been, nothing to see here, move along.
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And what if I went to a theater, with THREE DIMENSIONAL HUMAN BEINGS walking around on a THREE DIMENSIONAL STAGE! How would my "inner global-positioning system" react to that!
Just the usual bollocks that "news" magazines print when a big movie comes out. Remember the stories about "possible giant apes" when King Kong was released?
And Slashdot goes along with it, uncritically regurgitating the crappy pseudo news written to promote the next Big Summer Movie.
The movie itself may well be fun. But news and science shouldn't whore themselves out to Hollywood.
In other words, it's a typical fantasy movie with spaceships masquerading as science fiction.
But it's an EPIC! That means it's better than all those other fantasy movies, right?
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If you think viral marketing is bad now, just wait until they start putting advertising payloads in the flu.
Every case of intestinal distress comes with a sudden urge to watch High School Musical XIII.
Or is it the other way around?
"Cameron himself believes 3D viewing 'is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2D viewing doesn't' and that stereoscopic (3D) viewing uses more neurons, which would further heighten its impact"
Anyone who has regularly played the current crop of First Person Shooter games experience the cinema as a bit of a lot down. It's not the act of viewing in 3D but interacting with the characters and moving about the landscape, so we are already familiar with the Cameron effect. Now if only they could get the AIs to behave as if they had some real intelligence. It does also get a bit boring blowing away aliens in the underground tunnels of the Black Mesa Research Facility.
The world is ready for a movie that's a 24fps sequence of Magic Eye[TM] stereograms.
How was Bolt 3D? My wife went on a ridiculous tantrum and we went home instead of seeing it.
For all the "bah humbug" blathering on this thread, methinks there's something to it.
Surely most of us geeks have noticed the difference in mental state & perception caused by 24FPS, 30FPS, 60FPS, 3:2 pulldown, and other differences in visual medium. Each causes a different psychological state, with some causing more of a stupor and others more a sense of real. 3D, done right, will lead to other mental effects. I don't think a major director experimenting with new technology would be BSing us about what it does to the viewer's mind.
Personally, I've seen one 3D IMAX film (something about Egypt) which unlike other "hey wow it's 3D!" movies really did give a deep sense of "being there". Move that effect to a full-blown bleeding-edge movie by a director known for pushing visual limits, and we may very well experience something new.
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Consider Ramachandran's mirror box, a means of using illusion to "cure" the pain of phantom limbs. From the Wikipedia article:
If such a low-tech visual illusion can rewire neurons, what can a high-fidelity, 3-dimensional illusion accomplish? (I'm not saying that Cameron's movie is going to have such effects, but how far will the technology go?)
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I think cameron just found a way to get more attention for his movie.
Yes, I know it is not an exact analogy, but it struck me the same way as when I watched this episode.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68518.html
Idiotic. It's just like in the early days of color film where naysayers were afraid that color would overstimulate people.
Quite true. They have spent $200 million on the thing and we all know more money means better movie.
So far the only thing I've heard Cameron talk about this movie is about how this movie is going to be ultra realistic 3D rendering. At which point it begs the question why not just use live actors from the get go?
In a speculative fiction film, at least, makeup to turn a human actor into any of several races might be cost prohibitive if it's more than a rubber-forehead alien. That's why when Andy Serkis played the part of Smeagol, a mutant hobbit who used the alias "Gollum", he wore a motion capture suit and the actual character was computer-generated.
1) The article is Slashdotted.
2) Anyone who viewed "Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D" (With BRAND NEW 3D technology!!) knows that a crap film is a crap film no matter how many god damn dimensions it is viewed in.
Why, then I'll make sure to watch it really stoned just to seal the deal.
How soon will they blame Cameron for 3D cinema induced violence. First Person Shooter
What it's implying is that it's like a hallucination, which is something different. Saying it's 'a drug trip' is about as accurate as saying it's a fever.
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Now, the first thing I have to say is you all are not going to believe this story is true. But I swear, this story is 100% true. It is not an exaggeration in any way. It is true.
At the time, I had been a professor at this college for ten years and was on sabbatical. During this time, I decided to take a film class at the American Film Institute. You see, I used to spend a lot of time with filmmakers and artists, and the like, and I hadn't done that for a while, so I decided to take this film class now that I could devote the time to it.
It was a fantastic class. A lot of big name screenwriters came by. The writer of "Basic Instinct", the writer of "Deadpool", to name some. For the class we all wrote a trunk script, which is a script you carry around to show to studios and producers to try and sell. I wrote a script titled "Panama City," which is not relevant to the story. During the course of the class, I got to have coffee with film students and big name screenwriters, and such. Discussion of a screenplay called "Avatar" came up among screenwriters.
One day, the writer of "Deadpool" and another screenwriter friend of his came in and talked to us and I asked the screenwriter friend about this screenplay, "Avatar", and a hush came over the room. He went on to explain the premise of the screenplay which is this:
In this screenplay, there are pantheons of gods fighting a cosmic war, but because they have no understanding of war, there are fallen angels sent to Earth to recruit human military specialists and tacticians, and the like. A lot of this stuff is based on Plato's Temius, and the fallen angels have sunglasses to hide the light in their eyes.
It was never really explained how the recruitment worked. After this guy was done explaining the plot, the writer of "Deadpool" speaks up and says, "there's something else you should say... Avatar is an actual battleplan." This man said that "Avatar" was a master plan for gods disguised as a screenplay.
After that things just got really bizarre! There were all these discussions about "Avatar". "Who has Avatar?" You'd ask people about "Avatar" and they'd ask, "who told you about 'Avatar'?" People got more and more serious about it. You'd ask about "Avatar" they'd yell at you, "what, you want to get killed?!?" One day, I decided I was going to go try and find "Avatar". I walked through the parking lot later and people were hunched over pointing at me...
Well, many years passed by and I never heard a word about "Avatar". Then, about seven or eight years ago, I was having dinner with a good friend of mine, Stephanie Austin. She's a big producer; she produced "Terminator 2," I mean, she's that caliber of producer. Well, "Avatar" comes up in our conversation and it turns out that she knows the story and all about "Avatar." Furthermore, she buys into the "Avatar" theory, sheâ(TM)s in that whole circle. The last thing she says to me about "Avatar" is, "we know who has 'Avatar'â¦Cameron has it."
Now, I know Cameron and he is a really strange guy. I saw a lot of the filming of "T-2", and I talked to Cameron a lot. Let me tell you, Cameron is really loopy, he thinks all of the stuff he makes movies about is true. He once said, "I'm making a film about the truth." According to Austin, Cameron had had "Avatar" for a while, but he, "couldn't find the right actors for it."
Keep in mind, this "Avatar" thing isn't a heaven versus hell kind of thing, there are layers of heavens, like onions. Now, I used to go on avatar hunts with students, and sometimes we wouldn't find them, and sometimes we would. One time, we went to the Martini Bar on Colorado Boulevard in Pasadena and we found two female avatars. I swear, their eyes glowed. They looked like they had dropped out of heaven ten minutes ago. We talked to them for a while w
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I can't believe they are making a sucky movie based off such a sucky cartoon series....
What's next, a Sponge Bob Movie?
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First he finds Jesus' tomb and now he invents a new "video drug"...I think we should start wondering about this guy.
3d films are great when they just use the 3d to provide texture.
Unfortunately, 3D filmmakers seem to think that they should ring all the bells and whistles and show off the 3Dness, so you end up with a mostly 2D film the 1D plot of which is designed primarily as an excuse to put in lots and lots of pointy things coming straight out of the screen at you, which is extra stupid, because pointy things coming right out at you is one of the things that current 3D technology is really bad at.
It was so bad, that in the TV-movie, "Beowulf," in the first five minutes you could tell it was supposed to be a 3D film, and in the rest of the film, every time you saw an axe, sword, scyth, or teeth, the first thing that goes through your head is "Sigh. That's going to come zooming out at me. For the love of [something] Please let them avoi..Oh, there it is."
Presuming Cameron does not make this mistake, his film could be quite interesting to look at.
If this is true why do people prefer the movies to live theater? I'll take my answer off-line.
When Christopher Columbus was trying to get funding for his expedition, he finally persuaded Queen Isabella and Ferdinand that the cost of three ships, provisions, crew pay all put together is less than what Her Majesty Q Isabella was spending to entertain visiting aristocratic guests for three weeks.
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From the summary: "James Cameron's first movie since 'Titanic', his upcoming science fiction epic 'Avatar', has a budget pushing US$200 million and enough hype to power a mission to Mars.
That's true; you really can put stuff on Mars for $200M. Which would be a lot more interesting than yet another failed gimmick flick. If James Cameron were to offer sponsorships for a private Mars mission, it'd probably be more profitable than this movie will be.
But nobody seems to get that.
Come on, is this guy a real doctor? I've heard some shit hype before but I think this tops it for most unbelievable BS hype ever.
I'm going to go pay some back alley doctor to write up a report saying that sucking my wang will make you thinner, look younger and feel better than winning the lottery twice in a row.
Then I'll just back and wait for the woman to pour in.
This is great! This is what America is all about, smoke and mirrors.
The internet suspended the account of the person who told us about this kewl drugs!! It must be for really yo!
Like "Waterworld"!?
Bah, let me know when we can trip in 4D. I want my trip to tell me when my refrigerator turns into a cheetah.
And on a related note, what is the message when you are tripping in 1D?
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So in other words, we shouldn't watch this highly dangerous movie with its wicked three dee technology. Our brains are incapable of resisting this unholy lure since we have evolved in a natural two dimensional world.
In related news: There is no way the human body can survive speeds faster than the ride on a horse-drawn carriage.
The third dimension is the gateway dimension to other more serious dimensions.
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Look! It's a sailboat.
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Without permission from Orson Scott Card, the only difference between fantasy and science fiction are the rivets.
You see a fiction book cover with rivets? Sci-fi. Book cover with trees? Fantasy.
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I could have sworn TFA says "This Account Has Been Suspended"
Anyone ridden on those new virtual rollercoasters where the seats move? They're only recently moving to full 3D but when I first was on one in 1990 they were simply 2D and the people there were QUICK to point out that if you got too into the ride, you could look at the walls of the theatre and realize you weren't really there.
Seems silly except I had to look at the wall to prove I wasn't chasing a space ship through space.
The deal is that if you fool 2 of 3 senses(visual, proprioceptive and vestibular[last 2 are used for sensing motion]), the brain will fake the 3rd sense AND make the entire experience real for you. That's not *exactly* how it works but the complexity is a bit more than I have time for.
Sooo...I dunno..I'm still gonna wanna see it cause I love a good thrill and I've been a fan of 3D movies since I was a kid.
Avatar is supposed to be taking place on an alien planet.
With a very detailed alien scenery and ecosystem. You know... stuff you DON'T regularly see around walking the streets.
Plus some other things you don't get to see every day around you - like future battles, starships and stuff like that.
Think of it this way.
Imagine that there were no Jurassic Park movies and that Avatar is the beginning of the dinosaur craze. (The sequels, the "documentaries", the Velociraptor Awareness Day...)
Only it's all in hyper-realistic 3D.
But yes. It is hype. Only, some of it may actually turn out to be true.
You know... Sweet 3D effects turning out to be sweet 3D effects.
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I can only think back to Dr. Tongue and Bruno, weaving forward and back, to enhance the 3-D effect.
Count Floyd gets steamed up and screams for more, more and even more clips.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
3D is just a gateway to harder dimensions. Just wait until you see your kids sitting on street corners with multicolored glasses on mainlining 4- and 5-D. Nothing less than the complete collapse of society as we know it is at stake.
For Shamalamadingdong will soon be making it into a live action trilogy.
Personally, I prefer something new from Cameron then a retelling of a story already told by a guy who has a unhealthy attachment to twist endings.
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... that 2D doesn't: the splitting headache system.
How good could Waterworld be? It only cost 100 million. That's like half as good!
After all, I am strangely colored.
The difference as I see it is that the phenomena in the story has some credible explanation. If there's some human riding a fire breathing dragon (eg, the Dragonriders of Pern series), there's at least an attempt to explain why the human and dragon are there and how the dragon breathes fire. Orson Scott Card usually obeys this convention. Then there's "hard" science fiction where the author attempts to make a future world that is a natural inheritor of our present world. Orson Scott Card has never to my knowledge attempted a hard science fiction story. So I don't consider his opinion on the matter all that relevant.
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"[..]the key to Avatar's success or failure, may be habit forming. Dr. Mario Mendez, a behavioral neurologist at the University of California[..]" ...that's just how my brain works.
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So, are they suggesting that if I close one eye, I won't experience reality such that it makes a lasting impression?
What about people who are blind in one eye? Is their 'flat' experience less real then ours? Is their experience significantly less interesting, and do they not learn from what they see as much as we do?
I find that hard to take seriously. If there is any effect, it must be completely insignificant in daily social life.
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I have vivid memories from earlier films I watched that were "Technicolor" maybe that was magic trip inducing too.
You and a friend go to the movie, and you both get the glasses. Now pop the red lens out of your pair, and the blue one from your friends. Put his blue one in your glasses, and your red one in his.
Since the red one gives you the 3D effect, having two blue ones means you will be seing things in 2D. You friend, however, will only be seeing the extra dimension with both eyes, and his head will explode.
Make sure the friend you bring isn't that important of a friend, and bring some of those wet towlettes.
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Waterworlds budget was 175million, which is 231million in todays money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld#Box_office_and_reception
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