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Survey Finds Airport Wi-Fi More Important Than Food

Ninjakicks writes "For the business traveler (and the traveler in general, really), Wi-Fi is important — crucial, even. But more important than sustenance? That's exactly what was found in a recent survey by American Airlines and HP, where some 47% of business travelers responded that Wi-Fi was the most important airport amenity, outscoring basic travels needs such as food by nearly 30 percent."

247 comments

  1. Well Duh by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

    I wonder who conducted the survey really.

    1. Re:Well Duh by whiledo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suspect it was internet based...

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  2. Not surprising by Tridus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Airport food is expensive and usually bad. It's much easier to pack a lunch or just eat when you arrive then it is to pack a WiFi base station.

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    1. Re:Not surprising by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree. Airport food is usually pretty good, although it is way too expensive. Also, trying to get a nice meal (which, for me, usually includes drinks and sauces or yogurt) through security is not that easy.

      I think this has more to do with a pyramid of needs. Once you have enough sleep, you think about water. Once you have enough water, you think about nutrition. Once you have enough nutrition, you think about the food tasting good, and so on.

      What this survey means is that airports are meeting those basic needs well enough that people can think about things that are higher up on the pyramid but not adequately provided, not that those things lower on the pyramid are actually that important.

      Imagine for a moment that airports suddenly removed all of the bathrooms. Where do you think Wifi would rank on the next survey?

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    2. Re:Not surprising by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also travellers are used to being burned by airports without Wifi but they've never seen an airport without something to eat. It's natural that they'd complain about the former.

    3. Re:Not surprising by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The history of every major galactic civilisation has passed through three distinct and recognisable phases: those of survival, inquiry, and sophistication. Otherwise known as the 'How', 'Why', and 'Where' phases.

      For instance, the first phase is characterised by the question: "How can we eat?" The second by the question: "Why do we eat?" And the third by the question: "Where should we have lunch?"

    4. Re:Not surprising by qortra · · Score: 1

      Airport food is expensive and usually bad.

      In my experience, one can also say this of wifi at many airports. For example, the last time I flew into DFW (about a year ago), they used T-Mobile for wifi. It cost $10 a day for bandwidth that was none too awesome.

      then it is to pack a WiFi base station

      I'm sure you're just making a joke here, but an access point is actually quite easy to pack. The hard part is getting it to work without an upstream connection to the internet.

    5. Re:Not surprising by noundi · · Score: 1

      Period. Seriously now, the article was asking a retarded question (why people strangely enough choose to have global communication for a couple of horribly boring hours over a shitty meal not even worth the plastic plate it comes in), the parent answered and there's nothing more to it, except punching the author in the face for acting surprised.

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    6. Re:Not surprising by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      It's much easier to pack a lunch or just eat when you arrive

      Not if you want to clear security and/or customs preclearance before grabbing a bite to eat.

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    7. Re:Not surprising by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Airport wifi is usually bad and expensive too. I wonder what this results really shows. I think wifi where I have to enter a credit card number to get a connexion is completely useless while a free wifi access is a very appreciated commodity.

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    8. Re:Not surprising by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It cost $10 a day for bandwidth that was none too awesome.

      Wifi at airports is free. If you are paying for it, you're doing it wrong.

      Here's how to do it:

      1. Start tcpdump -en
      2. Carefully note Ip addresses and corresponding mac addresses that fly by
      3. ifconfig wlan0 hw ether macAddress
      4. ifconfig wlan0 ip netmask netmask
      5. route add default gw router (router's ip can usually be guessed from IP)
      6. enjoy your free connectivity!
    9. Re:Not surprising by perryizgr8 · · Score: 0

      The hard part is getting it to work without an upstream connection to the internet.

      that's some huge understatement. it's not hard, it's impossible.

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    10. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Airport food is usually pretty good"

      Apologies from those who don't consider sub-par restaurant franchises "good".

    11. Re:Not surprising by Slartibartfass · · Score: 1

      Yeah I tried this last year, with wireshark instead of tcpdump, but there was _no one_ connected to that damn network. Basel Euroairport, that was.

    12. Re:Not surprising by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 1

      I had the same reaction. When sitting in the airport you want something to occupy your time. WiFi lets you work.

    13. Re:Not surprising by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 1

      What do you want, The Fat Duck? You can get decent food in any of the dozen or so airports that I go to regularly, though apparently YMMV. You just have to look around a bit to find the places that are selling fresh food, and there always are some. I am a vegetarian and pretty picky even within that already limited range of food, yet I always find a place that caters to what I like.

      If you pick the franchises like MacDonalds or just go to the first place you see, that is your own fault; realize that you are voting with your money.

      Of course, the gp is absolutely right that airport food costs way too much. This has more to do with the airports than the restaurants, though, since they charge an arm and a leg for retail space. The exception in my experience is Barcelona: food costs the same in town as at the airport.

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    14. Re:Not surprising by contrapunctus · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think this has more to do with a pyramid of needs. Once you have enough sleep, you think about water. Once you have enough water, you think about nutrition. Once you have enough nutrition, you think about the food tasting good, and so on.

      Is this Maslow? Are you trying to push your pyramid of needs again?

      (dear mods, this is a joke, feel free to look it up)

    15. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      includes a free trip to salt mines...

    16. Re:Not surprising by WSOGMM · · Score: 3, Informative

      A very relevant day to post this. Don't forget your towel. :D

    17. Re:Not surprising by rubah · · Score: 1

      Not hard to imagine an airport with no bathrooms. Go to Charles de Gaulle with no loose change.

    18. Re:Not surprising by gilbert644 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's called stealing.

    19. Re:Not surprising by Threni · · Score: 1

      That's France, though. Step out of the airport and check out some of the miserable cafes and bars and laugh at the 'hole in the floor' toilets you thought you left behind when you left Asia...

    20. Re:Not surprising by Threni · · Score: 1

      tcpdump doesn't work for me (command not found). Perhaps this is a Linux thing. Is there a page on the net where this technique ('stealing' or not) is explained?

    21. Re:Not surprising by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Funny

      sudo apt-get install tcpdump

      Do this before you leave for the airport.

    22. Re:Not surprising by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Not the Airport food is bad, unhealthy and expensive. I'm sorry to tell you, but you should really start to eat some proper food.

      Fast food and shit will shorten your life. Next time you get a chance try some Mediterranean diet or at least try a genuine Italian restaurant. Yes it will take you 1 hour to eat, but this is because we care when it comes to food.

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    23. Re:Not surprising by Krneki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering how easy is to get a terrorist tag this days I'm not sure if I want to hack an Airport network, especially in UK or US of A.

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    24. Re:Not surprising by hankwang · · Score: 1

      1 Carefully note Ip addresses and corresponding mac addresses that fly by
      2 ifconfig wlan0 hw ether macAddress
      3 ifconfig wlan0 ip netmask netmask

      And what happens to the connection of the other guy who had that IP address assigned to him?

      By the way, wouldn't the mac address be sufficient? With DHCP you would get the rest of the settings, isn't it?

    25. Re:Not surprising by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, the best crab cakes I've had are Philips in the BWI airport. It seems like the best ones should be at some fine restaurant or maybe a hole-in-the-wall shack near the shore, but my favorite are at the airport :/

    26. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you just aren't that important, and spending 1 hour of your time isn't that big of a loss to society.

    27. Re:Not surprising by Krneki · · Score: 1

      Luckily where I live we have enough time to enjoy life.

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    28. Re:Not surprising by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I think there's two reasons for that. First, you generally have an airline-imposed time limit to eat in. Sure, there are nicer places, but if you have a 60 minute layover that's only 30 to eat, unless you have much longer. Along the same lines you're limited to what is between the two gates for arriving and departing, or nearby. If it's the "wrong" way, you're probably not going there. The fast food giants are getting in the game because it's what they do...and people know what to expect (it's pretty low, but known)

      I think 9/11 hurt the "real" airport restaurants as well. You used to meet people at the airport gate when they came to visit, then maybe sit at one of the nicer places for dinner. Now getting past the ticket counter or hanging around after deboarding is forbidden, and that cuts off any nicer restaurants from the local visitors they'd need to stay in business.

    29. Re:Not surprising by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      last I checked the higher up the food chain, you got paid more, and went to "business" lunches that lasted half the day. I'd say it's the opposite, the people at the top take care of themselves... so what does that say when they demand less for everybody else?

    30. Re:Not surprising by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I had the same reaction. When sitting in the airport you want something to occupy your time. WiFi lets you waste time on the interwebs.

      Fixed it for you.

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    31. Re:Not surprising by binaryspiral · · Score: 1

      Imagine for a moment that airports suddenly removed all of the bathrooms. Where do you think Wifi would rank on the next survey?

      Right below garbage cans and NASA diapers.

    32. Re:Not surprising by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      No, I agree airport food is expensive and not worth it, specially considering sanitary risks.

      I too thought of the restrooms and agree that if people were given a choice of restrooms or WiFi people would always take restrooms. Not so sure about food. I for once wouldn't mind if they were gone, I've only eaten in a airport once. Most of the time its better to just have a drink.

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    33. Re:Not surprising by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Yeah Italian food, it doesn't get any healthier than a big bowl of starch drowning in oil, covered in greasy cheese.

    34. Re:Not surprising by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Of course, the gp is absolutely right that airport food costs way too much. This has more to do with the airports than the restaurants, though, since they charge an arm and a leg for retail space. The exception in my experience is Barcelona: food costs the same in town as at the airport.

      Airport food may also be overpriced because one firm has a monopoly on dining in the airport. The dining areas in Girona airport (Barcelona's budget airline airport) are ridiculously overpriced, but also all managed by the same company. An airport like Chicago has representatives of a number of fast food chains and prices aren't that much more than in downtown Chicago.

    35. Re:Not surprising by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention wine. We've known conclusively for well over a decade now that wine has a beneficial effect when taken together with the Mediterranean diet.

    36. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've actually done that once just for fun, in an airport no less. Hours of boredom...

    37. Re:Not surprising by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And just how do you know what my diet is like? I literally have not had fast food in years. As a vegetarian, those places have very little to offer me.

      And what is this mythical "Mediterranean diet" that you are referring to? I have lived in Italy, and Spain and Morocco. I have spent significant time in Greece, Croatia, Israel, southern France and Algeria. They all border the Med and the all have very different cuisine. Of them all, Italian is probably the worst for your health, despite what you seem to think (one big meal per day instead of several small ones, lots of cheese, high in sugar, etc). Oh, and they all have more overweight people and shorter lifespans than my current home, Belgium.

      So how about instead of being an arrogant stereotyping prig, you go learn a little bit?

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    38. Re:Not surprising by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Don't forget your towel. :D

      Is that for lunch or for when the airports close up all the toilets? :p

    39. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Airport food is usually pretty good, although it is way too expensive. Also, trying to get a nice meal (which, for me, usually includes drinks and sauces or yogurt) through security is not that easy. I think this has more to do with a pyramid of needs. Once you have enough sleep, you think about water. Once you have enough water, you think about nutrition. Once you have enough nutrition, you think about the food tasting good, and so on. Dang, you stopped describing the pyramid of needs at nutrition. What a prude. The next need is sex, but he calls it "so on". You aren't going to get much if you ask your significant other for "so on".

      What this survey means is that airports are meeting those basic needs well enough that people can think about things that are higher up on the pyramid but not adequately provided, not that those things lower on the pyramid are actually that important. Imagine for a moment that airports suddenly removed all of the bathrooms. Where do you think Wifi would rank on the next survey?

      Oh, well if bathroom satisfies your need for sex, then I retract my previous. And Wife brings you porn, so I guess your needs are all satisfied. My mistake.

    40. Re:Not surprising by Krneki · · Score: 1

      So you suggest we should switch to Airport vegetarian diet to live longer? Since you seems to have high standards and you rated it pretty good.

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    41. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trolling now? I never advocated that. Either way, I just got this comment in metamod... minus it is.

    42. Re:Not surprising by Krneki · · Score: 1

      life expectancy Italy: 81
      http://www66.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=life+expectancy+italy

      life expectancy Belgium: 79
      http://www66.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=life+expectancy+belgium

      Explain this.

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    43. Re:Not surprising by Riven.exe · · Score: 1

      That's called stealing.

      No, this is called airwaves infringement.

    44. Re:Not surprising by rabiddeity · · Score: 1

      That's called stealing.

      What, and blatantly overcharging a captive audience for something that should be nearly free (Internet) isn't? It costs a pittance to set up a wifi point and less than $50 per month for a cheap DSL connection. Hell, my neighborhood coffee shops provide that to paying customers, and thanks to security checks every single person waiting in front of the gates is a paying customer. Where exactly are those "airport fees" going anyway?

    45. Re:Not surprising by ksemlerK · · Score: 1

      Not entirely. If you have a WinMo phone with Wifi capability, you are essentially carrying a 802.11b router that you haven't yet configured. If you install WMWifiRouter 0.92 or earlier, (freeware), you can set up your phone to be an unsecured wireless router. If you want a secure network, you need to buy the latest version of WMWifiRouter. Even if you don't have WiFi capabilities on your phone, you can still use it as a internet access point via tethering with \windows\intshrui.exe.

    46. Re:Not surprising by laughingcoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's called stealing.

      That's called silly. What are you stealing? Are they going to run out of packets more quickly that way?

      It is cracking, and certainly one can call into question the ethics of cracking into a network when you clearly know you are not supposed to be accessing it. One can also question the ethics of charging outrageously more for wifi than it costs to set it up and run it. One can also make a good case that the network is not meant to be closed to the public, it's simply meant to be paywalled, and so bypassing that paywall is not invading anyone's privacy. So even the ethical question is not as clear cut as you might think at first.

      Regardless, however, words have meanings. Stealing is taking something away from you that's exclusive (you and I can't both have it) without your consent. It's not a synonym for "conduct I dislike" or "conduct I find unethical".

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    47. Re:Not surprising by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Airport food may also be overpriced because one firm has a monopoly on dining in the airport."

      It is not as much a problem of monopoly but of "local" monopoly. On an airport you can go nowhere so you will end paying almost everything they say. If there are three companies the three will end up rising prices. And then, you have Girona: it's not only Barcelona's "cheap" airport but it is in the middle of nowhere so that means that specially of left ons (more that on arrivals) you must get with plenty of time and with the ability to go nowhere. No wonder prices are high.

    48. Re:Not surprising by ipX · · Score: 1

      It's for making the **whoosh** sound for which your reply calls.

    49. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you crazy Europeans! Fighting over nonsense like diets. No wonder it escalates so easily into genocide.

      Here in America, we'd throw both your lazy asses into prison for decades for such talk! That's the secret of our high living lifestyle and low crime rates. Mandatory prison time for everyone!

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      By the way, Eurofags, if you haven't been to the US, I'm lying. Those two guys would be shot to death in the airport fighting over diet plans like that. The American behind them would stop, take the money from their wallets and step over them to get a Supersized Whopmac with extra bacon, bacon fries, and a bacon chocolate shake. Since we are talking healthy diet plans, we'd get the shake in a small, that is baby sized 4 liter, Terminator 4 jug. Save the 55 gallon size for the fatty behind us.

      Fat in the US means anyone who weighs more than 1,000 pounds/450Kg.

    50. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's called silly.

      Actually it's called fraud.

      What are you stealing? [...] Stealing is taking something away from you that's exclusive (you and I can't both have it) without your consent.

      You are not taking something, as network access is intangible, but apart from that distinction, the way you gain access does deprive someone else of paid access. Cloning the MAC and IP addresses of another client causes a conflict which instantly and massively degrades the quality of service, which likely results in the other person giving up on the net. That kind of fraudulent access is not only illegal but immoral as well. If you have to gain network access, pay or use one of the common loopholes, like DNS queries not being disabled for unauthenticated clients.

    51. Re:Not surprising by hey · · Score: 1

      Good question. Or do half your packets
      to to him and half of his go to your PC!?

    52. Re:Not surprising by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that many of the airports with multiple fast food chains in them are actually run by the very same single monopoly firm (HMS Host is a biggie.) Your McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. are not managed by independent franchise owners.

    53. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is for the instance where the plane breaks apart in flight.

    54. Re:Not surprising by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      That kind of fraudulent access is not only illegal but immoral as well.

      Quit dragging morality into a reasonable discussion. Morality is a highly personal issue. Moreover, moralizers are annoying.

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    55. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      laughingcoyote had already dragged the topic away from a purely legal and technical discussion by questioning "the ethics of charging outrageously more for wifi than it costs to set it up and run it." If you find discussions about morals annoying, you should probably pay more attention to your conscience.

    56. Re:Not surprising by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      ...they've never seen an airport without something to eat.

      I've seen airports without anything I'd want to eat at the prices they were charging though.

    57. Re:Not surprising by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I would guess that you both get all of the packets since wireless signals are sent out like a hub (everybody can see every packet).

      I'm not sure how this would be handled but my limited understanding would suggest that the router cant tell you apart so it passes along all of your outgoing packets while your computer just ignores the incoming packets that it didn't request.

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    58. Re:Not surprising by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      If you find discussions about morals annoying, you should probably pay more attention to your conscience.

      I do pay attention to my own sense of ethics. But I don't insist on annoying people by asserting that their ethics are flawed or that they lack ethics for not adhering to mine. My feeling is that people who moralize have a limited sense of ethics and constantly try to remind themselves of morality by pointing out where others are unethical. If you want to change the world, start with the man in the mirror. That's the only moralistic advice I have to offer.

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    59. Re:Not surprising by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      Sandwiches pass security. Even cheesesteaks, which certainly have more than 3 oz of liquid just from the grease inside of them.

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    60. Re:Not surprising by Lueseiseki · · Score: 1

      Does the word "convenience" reside in your mental dictionary? You can pay for something and get it, or you can not pay and not get it, or you can steal it. There is no "I'm not paying for this because you should give this to me because I deserve it anywhere."

    61. Re:Not surprising by nidomedia · · Score: 1

      > Imagine for a moment that airports suddenly removed all of the bathrooms. Where do you think Wifi would rank on the next survey? Number two

    62. Re:Not surprising by gilbert644 · · Score: 1

      You can steal bandwidth like anything else. The airport has every right to control the way their bandwidth which they paid for is used and by whom. Yes you are bypassing a payware and maybe cracking. But it's also clearly stealing. Don't try to label it as anything else to soothe your conscious.

    63. Re:Not surprising by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      It's not soothing my conscience, I've never done it and probably never will. I don't spend a lot of time in airports, and from what I've heard there the wifi isn't great even if you do pay or otherwise gain access. I just bring a book, it's easier to use on the plane then a laptop.

      The misuse and overuse of the word "theft" (and synonyms), however, is irritating. Theft is not every class of misbehavior, it's a subset of possible types of misbehavior, and specifically involves taking something away from someone that, first, they already have, second, in such a manner that they no longer have it, and third, that you now do.

      If I break into your house but don't take anything, that's not theft. If I throw a rock through your window for fun, that's not theft. If I drive drunk that's not theft. That doesn't mean any of those things are ethical, legal, or acceptable, just that they are not theft. Similarly, if I just make it so you don't make money you might have otherwise, that's not theft. I can only steal what you have, not what you hypothetically might have had. One can still debate whether there are circumstances under which that is unethical or should be illegal, but it's not theft.

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    64. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It cost $10 a day for bandwidth that was none too awesome.

      Wifi at airports is free. If you are paying for it, you're doing it wrong.

      Here's how to do it:

      1. Start tcpdump -en
      2. Carefully note Ip addresses and corresponding mac addresses that fly by
      3. ifconfig wlan0 hw ether macAddress
      4. ifconfig wlan0 ip netmask netmask
      5. route add default gw router (router's ip can usually be guessed from IP)
      6. enjoy your free connectivity!

      This also would not work in airports using centralized security rather than just assuming everyone will be nice. Many airports are simply IP based redirects, but other are based on better security than just IP/MAC pairs. I find when I'm in an airport and time constrained to get something done before wasting time in a plane I'd rather just pay for it, expense it to the company and not worry about the hassle of whether or not it will actually work.

      And aside from that, if you're stealing someone's active event chances are they're still using it, which means you're creating a situation where your "free" access won't work well enough to even use. You do have the satisfaction of knowing you broke someone else's internet while you're at it. Well done.

      Jerk.

  3. obviously by lamadude · · Score: 1

    Seems pretty normal to me, you don't need to eat on a plane, you can do that before or after the flight, but wifi will keep you entertained during the flight. If they had asked "what is more important in life: wifi or food?" I'm sure the answers would have been different.

    1. Re:obviously by piripiri · · Score: 1

      Except TFA tells about airport convenience, not airplanes.

  4. restrooms ? by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    restrooms would be my number one airport amenity ..

    1. Re:restrooms ? by Norsefire · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can make do without restrooms but hiding behind large objects doesn't get you wifi access.

    2. Re:restrooms ? by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 1

      and it could get you detained by you friendly TSA dude

    3. Re:restrooms ? by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      It's kind of difficult to use the restrooms if you are a single traveler working on your notebook. Going to the bathroom would require closing my laptop, packing it, grabbing all my luggage, and trying to use the facilities without my bag being urinated on because airport bathrooms are often cramped. Since I'm rarely waiting at an airport for all that long, I don't usually mind holding it until I board the plane.

    4. Re:restrooms ? by gte275e · · Score: 2, Funny

      restrooms would be my number one airport amenity ..

      Yeah, how else are you going to have anonymous gay sex with Republican Congressmen?

    5. Re:restrooms ? by LaskoVortex · · Score: 1

      and it could get you detained by you friendly TSA dude

      Restrooms are free in airports because you couldn't hire enough TSA dudes to hold back the tides, if you know what I mean.

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    6. Re:restrooms ? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I just can't see me ever using wifi in an airport. What's the point? Maybe people who can't disconnect themselves from their iphone or blackberry, but I don't own one and won't own one. If I have a laptop with me, it is staying locked up. This is my chance to NOT WORK. If I'm bored I'll read a book or a newspaper.

      I seriously do not think the majority of airport patrons use wifi. The survey did not question a random sampling of everyone, but instead of business travellers. Those odd types you see in airports that are chained to their job; execs who can't be left in peace, sales people who haven't finished a presentation yet, etc.

    7. Re:restrooms ? by beth_tk · · Score: 1

      Use the wifi to log onto airport.adult-friend-finder.com to arrange a meeting behind one of the large objects.

  5. Lunch vs Cabling by saterdaies · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally, I find it easier to pack food to bring with me than an ethernet cord long enough to get from my cable modem to the airport.

    But that's just me.

  6. I can bring food by daffmeister · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The reason is simple, I can bring food, and get fed on the airline (usually). I can't bring wifi.

    (wireless modems excepted)

    1. Re:I can bring food by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You usually can't get food past security... And you certainly don't want to have any left when you land in a foreign country or you could face stiff fines for illegally importing food.
      This is also why the food is overpriced, since you have no other alternative.

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    2. Re:I can bring food by busman · · Score: 1

      What food can't you bring thru' security? The last time I flew I brought some nice roast beef sandwiches with me :-)

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    3. Re:I can bring food by flithm · · Score: 2, Informative

      You usually can't get food past security... And you certainly don't want to have any left when you land in a foreign country or you could face stiff fines for illegally importing food.
      This is also why the food is overpriced, since you have no other alternative.

      Not sure what countries you are flying to and from, but I've done a fair bit of air travel in my life to varying countries around the world, and I've never once had a problem bringing my own food.

      Of course you can't bring your own water (that must be purchased after the security check point), but as long as you're okay with your food being pelted with x-rays (which is undoubtedly healthier than the food typically sold in most airports), you should be fine.

      Of course there are restrictions on certain types of edibles, mostly fresh fruit and other things with seeds. Just pre-package a meal with your fruits in it all cut up, and they won't say anything.

    4. Re:I can bring food by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Funny

      You might be smuggling in poisonous sandwiches. Everybody remain seated, I'm hijacking this plane. I warn you, if you resist I'll throw a poisonous sandwich at you.

    5. Re:I can bring food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just hide the food in your stomach.

      Works for me.

    6. Re:I can bring food by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Water is essential to life. Not allowing you to bring your own is preposterous. Make the owner bring it in a clear bottle and drink some before the flight if you are paranoid. It's simple economic protectionism.

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    7. Re:I can bring food by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      But you can also bring a magazine or something else to read, if you need to relieve your boredom. There are other ways of passing your time than goofing around on the internet.

      It's not as if you can do any high-quality work at an airport: surrounded by screaming children, incoherent announcements and people overflowing their seats and squeezing into your space,

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    8. Re:I can bring food by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      You can't bring any food that the security guard like the look of (presuming they're hungry). It'll just get arbitrarily confiscated, without any appeal, receipt, review or reason needed.

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    9. Re:I can bring food by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Take this plane to Cuba, or its kebab-meat and chips for you!

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    10. Re:I can bring food by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

      Anyvon who dreams to poison precious sandvich, perpare to meet Sascha.

    11. Re:I can bring food by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      But water is apparently a highly explosive substance that can be used to bring a plane down.

      It isn't known exactly how this might be carried out, but apparently it was discussed on some Islamic internet site.

    12. Re:I can bring food by Krneki · · Score: 1

      They never complain about my chocolate bars.

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    13. Re:I can bring food by Krneki · · Score: 1

      You can buy water before you board for 1-2 Euro.

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    14. Re:I can bring food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't you bring an empty bottle and fill it at a water fountain after security?

      (This is not a rhetorical question. I have a flight coming up.)

    15. Re:I can bring food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But water is apparently a highly explosive substance that can be used to bring a plane down.

      It isn't known exactly how this might be carried out, but apparently it was discussed on some Islamic internet site.

      You've got the wrong angle there. Water can be used to drown the flight crew allowing a terrorist to gain control of the aircraft.

    16. Re:I can bring food by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      The supposed reasoning behind the liquids ban was very simple - some folks found a receipe for bomb making using a binary liquid explosive. One component is hydrogen peroxide, I do know. Not sure what the other one is that was actually learned before any of this could be put into action, but the threat was real.

      I understood they were going to relax the restrictions in January or something like that. Didn't happen. Probably because someone heard that was just being waited on with the original scheme just delayed. Not sure it is worth the hassle, but the alternative is clearly to lose an airliner or two a year. Maybe more.

    17. Re:I can bring food by Meumeu · · Score: 1

      But water is apparently a highly explosive substance that can be used to bring a plane down.

      It isn't known exactly how this might be carried out, but apparently it was discussed on some Islamic internet site.

      Na ?

    18. Re:I can bring food by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      The REAL problem is that the US Government spent years training not-nice people in every cracked out way of hurting others imaginable. THEY have a bunch of these tactics THEY use against people THEY don't like and just assume regular folks are just as depraved about killing random folks as they are.

    19. Re:I can bring food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do this frequently flying out of Toronto, Canada. There are water fountains inside the security zone. I just leave the cap off the empty water bottle, and mention during x-ray that it's empty. I haven't had any trouble yet.

    20. Re:I can bring food by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The supposed reasoning behind the liquids ban was very simple - some folks found a receipe for bomb making using a binary liquid explosive. One component is hydrogen peroxide, I do know. Not sure what the other one is that was actually learned before any of this could be put into action, but the threat was real.

      It turned out that while it was possible in theory it was totally impossible in practice, so banning random liquids is like preventing me from bringing a large laptop on board because it could, in theory, transform into something like the Manhacks from HL2 when I press the right combination of buttons.

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    21. Re:I can bring food by deroby · · Score: 1

      Oh come on... all this scaremongering, how much of those measures have actually saved a life yet ? Sure, a gazillion nail files must have been confiscated by now, but is there any reported incident in the entire history of transportation where the pilot/conductor/driver was forced to deviate from his planned course by means of a nail file ?

      No seriously, if someone wanted to take out a plane, big building, train, city even, ... whatever type of 'structure' involving many people's lives, HOW HARD CAN IT BE ???

      Yes, 9/11 was 'unheard' of, and yes, it was well planned and executed (*), but it wasn't rocket science. On a bored evening (**) I had this conversation with a colleague where we started thinking up ways to bring down major structures and which ones would have the largest impact socially and/or economically. It's ridiculously easy, especially if you don't care about surviving yourself. Frankly, the only show-stopper would be talking about it to too many people. In the end there would (hopefully) always be someone with a conscious ratting the bad guys out.

      *: with well I don't mean 'good' in the sense that I liked it, on the contrary!
      **: waiting for a delayed plane and no wifi now I think about it =)

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    22. Re:I can bring food by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I have been asked when entering the US what food I had on me. And I know that taking even cut-up apples into Australia can land you in serious hot water. Island nations are understandably inclined to take quarantine seriously.

  7. common sense, really by avm · · Score: 1

    I'd rate wifi above food. I'll eat before or after. Give me a bathroom, accessible AC outlets and wifi and I can sit in an airport for 24 hours straight. Of course after that I may want to foray out for food, but any less and I'm good.

    1. Re:common sense, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a bathroom, accessible AC outlets and wifi and I can sit in an airport for 24 hours straight.

      Somewhat tricky. Usually mens' and ladies' rooms are separate. It's much easier to sit 24 hours gay...

  8. People care about what has given them trouble by SirLoadALot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people answering the survey recognize -- apparently better than the people who looked at the results -- that every airport has some food in it, but not every airport has acceptable Wi-Fi. No one answering the survey was thinking "I'd rather starve on the net than feast without it!"

    1. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by greed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I'm on the 'net, I can order food....

    2. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by SirLoadALot · · Score: 1

      Best of luck getting Pizza Hut to deliver past security.

    3. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          That's exactly my thought.

          In any airport you can buy food from the mini-resturants, snacks and drinks in the stores, and on the flights they provide at least peanuts and soda for free, or will sell you beer, mixed drinks, and sometimes more food.

          When I step off a plane for a layover, I have my list of priorities.

          1) restroom. After 3 or 4 mixed drinks, I gotta pee.
          2) smoking lounge. Some airports are good about these. Some have them few and far between. Some you have to go outside, and then make your way back in.
          3) cell phone reception. People know I'm flying, and yet always leave voicemails. I may need to find power, depending on the phone's charge state when I left. If I got on the flight at the end of a long work day in a colo, I may have an almost dead battery, and need to return a dozen emergency phone calls.
          4) Airport bar. After the first three, I've probably sobered up, and need another drink.
          4) Wifi? Well, if it's free, which at most airports I've been in, it isn't. Otherwise, why do I want to pay for really slow crappy service? The decent alternative is to travel with an EVDO card. Even then, sometimes I have to find somewhere in the terminal with decent cell reception, and power.

          I looked a bit weird at one airport. My first flight had been overbooked, and then canceled due to mechanical problems. The next flight they could put me on was 6 hours later. I found a smoking lounge with available power outlets, with a restroom and bar close by, but there were no flights going through that end of the terminal at the time. I set up camp, answering calls, checking my email, and walking over to the bar picking up more drinks. The only other people in the smoking lounge were airport employees and TSA agents. After a little chitchat, they were perfectly happy to watch my gear while I went for bathroom breaks and more drinks.

          Once good and intoxicated, airplane seats get quite a bit more comfortable, and I can usually sleep for the whole flight. I prefer to go to sleep before they push back, and wake up when it touches down.

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    4. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      More to the point, neither linked article seems to touch is how the question was asked. Multiple choice or open answer changes things dramatically: If I'm asked what's the most important amenity in an airport, I'm unlikely to even say "clean restrooms", I'll take that for granted. If I'm given a list and that pops up in there, I'll decidedly think "yeah, that's more important than wireless".

    5. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There probably is a Youtube video of a prank caller trying to order pizza past security. If there isn't, there soon will be.

    6. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      "I looked a bit weird at one airport. My first flight had been overbooked, and then canceled due to mechanical problems. The next flight they could put me on was 6 hours later. I found a smoking lounge with available power outlets, with a restroom and bar close by, but there were no flights going through that end of the terminal at the time. I set up camp, answering calls, checking my email, and walking over to the bar picking up more drinks. The only other people in the smoking lounge were airport employees and TSA agents. After a little chitchat, they were perfectly happy to watch my gear while I went for bathroom breaks and more drinks.

              Once good and intoxicated, airplane seats get quite a bit more comfortable, and I can usually sleep for the whole flight. I prefer to go to sleep before they push back, and wake up when it touches down."

      Wow, that sounds like a pretty good setup for tech support! You usually can't get enough alcohol in your system at your work place to enjoy the job properly.

      I'd think you were a model traveler as well, quite and knocked out the whole trip! I think you're on to something.

    7. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not at all. You see, if you have food, you can survive, and have to endure long waits without the Internet to keep you occupied/"productive". A purgatory, essentially.

      If you have wifi, you can continue watching videos of other people's cats until you die peacefully of starvation.

      Of course, the ideal situation is having both, where you can watch cat videos until you die from whatever food you bought at the airport cafeteria.

      - RG>

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    8. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I'm the best thing they can ever hope for on airplanes most of the time. I don't make noise. I don't even snore. I'm not asking for drinks, peanuts, complaining because I can't hear the movie, asking how long til we get there, or even disturbing other passengers.

          The alternative to drinking is little Xanax and a double rum and coke. I just have to be sure that the flight is actually going to be boarding on time. It sucks when they're delayed by 30 minutes, and I'm nodding out waiting for boarding to start. I have no anxiety of flying. I was a private pilot years ago, so I know all the funny noises and motions. I just prefer not to be bored out of my skull for hours on a flight. :)

          As for tech support...... In a previous job, I was the senior IT guy, and all of our equipment was remote. It saved me 2 to 3 hours a day of driving, if I just stayed home and worked from there. I could smoke. I could drink. As long as everything was done right, no one complained. I'd get calls at weird hours, so ya, I was pretty lit a few times, when I got called at 1am to do work. I know my stuff though, so it was still done right, even if I did have to retype quite a few lines to make them work right. Passwords were always a bastard, when I couldn't see the keys, and (obviously) they aren't echoed on the screen. Oh, the good ol' days. At one office at that company, I actually walked back from the bar to the office (about 3 blocks) to get something done, because there was an evening emergency, and I knew I shouldn't be driving. That was convenient though, I slept it off several times in my office chair, rather than driving home drunk. :) It was a very happy relaxed workplace, even when the stressful moments happened, we could go have drinks after. :)

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    9. Re:People care about what has given them trouble by paul248 · · Score: 1

      and on the flights they provide at least peanuts and soda for free

      Not true. I've been on a US Airways flight where they didn't provide *any* free food at all, not even water.

      That, and they read off some advertisements over the intercom before the flight, and had ads printed on your fold-down tray.

  9. A cure for Airport Boredom by Celeste+R · · Score: 1

    WIFI in airports would mean different things to different people: it would give the serious businessman a chance to catch up on his work, it would give the budget traveler free entertainment, and it would give the average person something to ease the boredom.

    Eat a big meal beforehand, and a big meal after the fact, and maybe - just maybe splurge on a small snack between long connecting flights. $10 for a meal is a bit much for fast food.

    Boredom is by far harder to cure (especially in a fast-paced society) than a hungry tummy. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has skipped a meal just because.

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    1. Re:A cure for Airport Boredom by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      How many "serious businessmen" these days don't have some sort of remote connection? If they aren't giving you a blackberry that can tether or an aircard, you must not be all that serious.

      Sure wifi is usually faster (though you never know with public access points) but 3g should be enough to do serious work. It's probably not enough for serious entertainment though...

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    2. Re:A cure for Airport Boredom by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      That works fine for those countries you spend a lot of time in.

      It doesn't work so well if you are just stopping over in a country that you don't spend any significant time in. You have to either get a sim with a good data deal for that country (and this won't be easy for some countries) or put up with insane roaming fees.

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  10. Could we get a "duh" tag? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

    First, food in airports is notoriously bad, stale and generally nothing you'd want to eat, even when coming back from a famine-struck land. My personal theory is that this is the crap that they salvage from planes after the flight, the gunk not even the sardines-in-a-can class dwellers could stomach.

    So what does the knowledgeable traveller do? Right. He brings his own food.

    It's kinda hard, though, to bring your own WiFi AP with you...

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    1. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Informative

      In my experience (generally 20+ business trips per year) there is usually a decent restaurant or two somewhere in most airports - especially the newer ones. Of course sometimes the "good" restaurant is in a completely different concourse from where your flight is departing, and the prices tend to be pretty high.

      Case in point: the new Indianapolis airport. I was pleasantly surprised at the food quality in the 500 Grill, where I had a tuna steak cooked to order on a bed of greens ... and incidentally Indy airport has free wifi but it's pretty slow.

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    2. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kinda hard, though, to bring your own WiFi AP with you...

      Speak for yourself. Not only do I get email on my blackberry bold, but it's trivial to tether to my laptop and get internet access on the laptop using the 3G blackberry connection.

      Many other phones can do this too. But if you have an iphone, you're SOL because Apple hates you and doesn't want you to do that.

    3. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever actually been to an airport?
      Last year I flew roughly 130k miles and touched down in ~20 airports.
      The worst of them had fresh toasties and fresh juice at 5:30am (tiny regional airport, two gates).

      All the bigger ones have your standard fastfood joints plus two to five decent/good restaurants (overpriced though they may be) per terminal.

    4. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by GCsoftware · · Score: 1

      If you ever need to eat something in London Heathrow, head for the Prunier Caviar House Seafood Bar. Absolutely wonderful - a plate of Kamchatka King Crab with a glass of Chablis makes the whole Heathrow experience tolerable.

    5. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by funkatron · · Score: 1

      Do they accept cash or just bullion?

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    6. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a former worker for this industry (year and a half was more than long enough), I feel obligated to correct this personal theory, and toss in a few anecdotes.

      The food that goes onto the planes has nothing to do with the food served in the restaurants inside the airport. The food on the planes, which comes out of the carts rolled around by attendants on the plane, is prepared by catering companies located somewhere on or near the airport premises at the point of departure for the flight. The unused food is disposed of at the point of arrival, at the catering company's local facility. Unopened soft drinks or alcohol containers are often reshelved for later use, though.

      The food served by conventional food service establishments inside the airport is better compared to a spectrum between mall food (terrible) and chain sit-down diner food (often still MSG-laden, sometimes better than mall food overall).

      Note that these aircraft food service carts are also regularly used for smuggling of contraband. Which is another reason the current airport security theatre is such a joke - back end ramp workers are exempt and can move @CONTROLLED_SUBSTANCES almost at will given presence of various mafia organizations at many airport servicing locations (only one mafia per establishment, obviously). If you are not in 'the organization' you are not driving one of the trucks on the ramp. The carts go straight from warehouses into special lift-equipped trucks into planes, then from planes into trucks back into warehouses, with a stop at the loading dock to divert anything that needs to be diverted to a personal vehicle, with no external security inspections at any point (A guard waving the familiar truck through does not count). Posting AC for obvious reasons, etc.

    7. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by ksemlerK · · Score: 1

      It's kinda hard, though, to bring your own WiFi AP with you...

      Not entirely. If you have a WinMo phone with Wifi capability, you are essentially carrying a 802.11b router that you haven't yet configured. If you install WMWifiRouter 0.92 or earlier, (freeware), you can set up your phone to be an unsecured wireless router. If you want a secure network, you need to buy the latest version of WMWifiRouter. Even if you don't have WiFi capabilities on your phone, you can still use it as a internet access point via tethering with \windows\intshrui.exe.

    8. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      That's not obvious at all. In fact, our airport here in Prague has some pretty good food.
      There's even a small KFC franchise!

    9. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cash will do fine.

      The only place in the UK you need precious metals is a motorway service station.

    10. Re:Could we get a "duh" tag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's even a small KFC franchise!

      I thought you said "good food"!

  11. Depends by SolarStorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I answered the survey while on a business trip, my answer would have been WiFi. If I was on vacation, that last thing that I want is WiFi, (A good supply of beer would be a better choice) The fact that we now live in a connected world cannot be ignored. Ask people if they would prefer WiFi or power stations to charge thier DVD's and see what answer you get. Most of the people using their computer (that I see are using it to watch a movie). Wifi is simply there for entertainment for a number of people. But as far as expenses go, it would probably be expensive for the airports, and more and more people are getting their own connection through their Cell phone etc. If my company requires I need internet away from the office, there are too many solutions now available. I would rather see airports spend money on efficiency, ease of travel, REAL security, maintenance.

  12. Gotta love surveys by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "a recent survey by American Airlines and HP"....

    I bet "a recent survey by American Airlines and Pizza Hut" would have come to the opposite conclusion.

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    1. Re:Gotta love surveys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should study that.

  13. The public WLAN window is closing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UMTS (G3) data access is becoming affordable and ubiquitous, so there is limited use for spotty network access through WLAN access points. WLANs could have played a much more important role if venues had not tried to milk a simple convenience service like a product in its own right. The future of WLAN access is "free, just works" or just for home use.

    1. Re:The public WLAN window is closing by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      But WLAN is free, which is pretty helpful with some demographics. Furthermore, it is relatively simple to make your internet connection switch to WLAN or wired Ethernet when present, and fall back to UMTS if necessary. i have seen plenty of setups where this happens transparently to applications, and with only a user notification when switching from free to charged connections.

  14. Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I stopped caring about airport wi-fi the day I gave up the iphone for the Blackberry Storm. I know a lot of people dont like the Storm, but it tethers like nobodys business.

    My next toy will be to setup Microsoft's Direct Access replacement for VPN's and I will never be disconnected from my network. When more people become aware of Direct Access, that is going to put a dent in those who say they cant innovate in Redmond. This is some bad-ass technology.

    1. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by Tranzistors · · Score: 1

      How is this Direct Access different from auto-connecting VPN client?

    2. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      Since IPSEC and SSL VPNs have been around for years, and MS is just coming up with Direct Access, it DOES mean that they can't innovate. Once again, trailing behind.

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    3. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by LibertineR · · Score: 1

      Direct Access uses IPv6, requires no configuration after initial setup, no DHCP issues to deal with either. No worries about a VPN router's config or available connections, etc. Check it out.

    4. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by LibertineR · · Score: 1
      Really?

      So, who has already done this? Tell me where you can have this setup over any other OS, TODAY?

      Dont be blinded by MS hatred. This is a serious advance over SSL VPNs and you know it. I dont know anyone anywhere leveraging IPv6 in this fashion.

    5. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      But WiMAX is cheaper, faster and it just bloody works.

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    6. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were doing this in 2003, and when we did it there was already a best practices document from a German university (I think it was German) who'd been doing it for a while.

      Yes, there has been innovation at Microsoft, no this isn't much of an example (and most examples don't make it into Microsoft's actual products)

    7. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      and gets to another point.

      Wimax tends to have no real cap either.

      the reason why 3G services will never replace local free wifi is that damn 5 gig cap.

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    8. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      WiMAX as a large-scale communications infrastructure has been gagged, pulled into the back room and knifed by telecoms due to excessive homebrew potential, and new, locked-in phones are dancing on its shallow grave. You'll never be able to get a monthly unlimited subscription to a WiMAX network (set up like today's cell phone networks) that you could connect to with any device of your choice.

      RIP WiMAX, we grieve you and your unborn VoIP-capable PDA-phone children.

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    9. Re:Who doesnt have a tethering phone by now? by yacc143 · · Score: 1

      Well, IPv6 is not necessarily a benefit, most VPNs require no configuration after initial setup, how does DHCP come into play for VPNs?

      Cannot see how Direct Access or whatever can (or why it should) autoconfigure the underlying transport.

      E.g. does Direct Access probe WLANs => guess this might be a rather illegal in some surisdictions.

      How does Direct Access decide which path to use? (I've got depending upon the location and other details upstream via WLAN, via UMTS dongle, via tethering [Bluetooth, WLAN or USB]. Depending upon the situation multiple paths might be able to ping www.google.com, but some of the paths can be rather inacceptable, e.g. data roaming SIMs, and so on.)

      Andreas

  15. Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by Jason+Quinn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I absolutely hate how many US airports don't provide free Wifi for travelers (free Wifi seems to be more common abroad). For a minuscule fraction of their budget, airports could provide an invaluable service. It must change.

    1. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree wholeheartedly. I frequently travel out of Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson (dubbed the "world's busiest airport") and they want something like 10 bucks for a day pass. It annoys me to no end, and I find it amusing that they have the gall to do this since there are several wireless networks capable of internet (including WiMax) that have the airport in their coverage area.

    3. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to question the whole premise of the survey: What does important mean? Will you drive to another airport if the one closest to you doesn't have Wifi or food?

    4. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
      What possible incentive would they have for giving up a revenue stream? It's not as if you'll decide to not fly somewhere, or use another airport. They have you by the @@lls and are happy to charge you whatever they can get away with.

      As it is, taking money from people whe choose to use the internet at airports is fine by me, as if reduces the other incidental costs I'd otherwise have to stump-up. Thanks for the subsidy!

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    5. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

      If you travel, and ATT Uverse is in your area, get the service. You get your TV and home internet connnection, and also free access at airport, starbucks, and mcdonalds hotspots.

    6. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > It must change.

      Why?

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    7. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      You obviously haven't been taking advantage of all of the "Free Public WiFi" locations at airports these days. It is rare not to find several of these everywhere.

      Of course, it is a fake, but it works for harnessing the rubes.

    8. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

      I keep having to remind my mom that I would have LOVED to visit her the past few Christmases, but until Cincinatti improves the WIFI at their airport, I won't fly there.

      If I don't stick to my principles, then what kind of person am I?

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    9. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in this airport that you're using to bring in anyone who looks vaguely Arabic and lock up without charge for an undetermined period of time, you find it outrageous that you can't exercise your fundamental right to browse Slashdot?

    10. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The way I see it with Wifi is that once it's set up, the costs of running it really doesn't change a whole lot whether you have a few users on it or a lot. However, instead of making it cheap to attract a lot of users, they seem to be stuck in the "lets gouge them for all their worth" model of doing business. Then when they don't get nearly the users they expected, they raise the prices to even more outrageous levels to try to cover their loss.

    11. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by MrZaius · · Score: 1

      The incentive isn't the airport's, although one could argue that they could make the same money by charging it from resident carriers.

      The strong incentive to cut and axe the prices lies with the carriers. You already see free but restricted service in most business class lounges. If they just came to their senses and did the same throughout a terminal, perhaps tied to an eTicket number, they'd quickly win fans enough to warrant the expense.

    12. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by beth_tk · · Score: 1

      I bet it is in the airport's best interests actually. I hate waiting at airports because it's such a waste of time so I always arrive at the last possible minute. But if there was wifi I'd be more inclined to arrive early, hang out, and spend lots of money on their overpriced food and coffee.

    13. Re:Wifi should be 100% free in airports. by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Because he is a customer of the airports and if they would like him to fly as much as possible to earn revenue, then they ought to listen to him.

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  16. Yes, but was alcohol on that survey? by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, it's important to me!

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  17. Most people I know by Shaltenn · · Score: 1

    Including myself actually, don't even like to eat before flights. I must have a weak stomach because I can't stand eating before going on a flight - my stomach gets tied in knots! Drinking is ok though.

    Wifi though, if it's cheap (or even better, free) I'll be a happy camper.

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  18. These people are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Internet access is that important, get a broadband wireless card for your laptop or a cell phone you can tether. My Verizon EV-DO card is more reliable and typically provides better bandwidth than whatever Internet access is available in airports or hotels (especially in the evening when everyone is stuck in their rooms being bored).

  19. Airport food sucks by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In almost all western counties.........but check out Changi in Singapore. A GREAT airport. You don't get ripped off the food is fantastic!

    http://www.changiairport.com/changi/en/index.html

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    1. Re:Airport food sucks by vampire_baozi · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Most newer Asian airports have great food, and also free high-speed Wifi. You start to take it for granted until you hit LAX, and then you start to think America is a third-world country.

  20. Selling WiFi in airports. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    If they price it the way they price airport food, they won't be getting many customers. Airport WiFi pretty much only flourishes in places when its free. Airport food is usually stupidly overpriced since they think they've got a captive audience, then when they don't sell enough food to pay for running the business, they stupidly raise the prices even more in a vain attempt to stay fiscally afloat.

  21. iggy by iggy96 · · Score: 1

    to this article i say: why is Wi-Fi becoming a necessity in our modern day life? If someone were to take away computers you (the readers) and I both know that people would have to go back into the dark ages. Think about it computers run our world. Don't live life on a keyboard it does things to ya.

    1. Re:iggy by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      because companies work with fewer people on tighter schedules that ever before. At my company we can work a customer's order into our schedule in a matter of a few days. That's less time than to mail a letter of request. Sales/planning staff can't be disconnected for multiple days in a world like that. If somebody has to wait 2-3 days for a call-back they're calling somebody else who can take their order now.

      Also, many support people are especially thin. For the system I admin, I'm the only one left. Many traveling support staff have been cut to the bone. They need to answer email requests while traveling between on-site visits in order to make SLA times. Sure, the company could hire more workers, but they'd have to pay them less to make up for that!

  22. Sign of internet addiction? by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Surely it's possible for an individual to spend a few hours away from an internet connection?

    Even for a "business" user, you should be well enough organised that your employer can afford to be out of touch with you for a short period, without suffering catastrophic business failure (if not, they should fire you immediately as you are obviously a single point of failure and as such a total liability to the organisation).

    If you do suffer symptoms of stress or anxiety when disconnected from the 'net this sounds a lot like a personality disorder - even if you do use the old line: "No, really, I just like the internet. I could give up any time".

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    1. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Airports are boring. Net access makes them less so. Why is this difficult to understand?

    2. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called boredom. There is plenty of time when you have nothing to do at an airport. You can't spend two hours eating (and I don't like to eat before getting on a plane, aeroplane bathrooms are extremely uncomfortable, and I'm as skinny as humans come).

    3. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in airports are stuck in one place with nothing to do but wait. An Internet connection is a great way to pass the time. Sure, you can say "surely you can do without the Internet for a few hours", but that's not really the point, is it? The point is that those hours have to be filled somehow, and of the few options available, the Internet is the best for many people - it has nothing to do with not wanting to be away from the Internet.

    4. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by AxeMan15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not about need but about choice.

      Being in an airport is not like hanging out at the local park. There are no birds singing or fresh gentle breezes caressing your face. It's many people milling about with the accompanying background noise, Homeland Security Threat Level "Orange" (has this ever changed?) and passenger Thelma Jones, get to your flight or you are S.O.L.

      I fly once every 3 weeks or so and I carry only my laptop, my book and a magazine. I find it difficult to read for pleasure within the airport. With an Internet connection, I can get some things done like pay bills, email Mom, view Slashdot or see if my epic item sold at the AH :)

      Yes, I could wait. I could sit at an airport and watch CNN while little Jimmy round around his exhausted parents, waiting for my delayed by 2hrs connecting flight.

      I prefer something else.

    5. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by pz · · Score: 1

      Surely it's possible for an individual to spend a few hours away from an internet connection?

      Even for a "business" user, you should be well enough organised that your employer can afford to be out of touch with you for a short period, without suffering catastrophic business failure (if not, they should fire you immediately as you are obviously a single point of failure and as such a total liability to the organisation).

      If you do suffer symptoms of stress or anxiety when disconnected from the 'net this sounds a lot like a personality disorder - even if you do use the old line: "No, really, I just like the internet. I could give up any time".

      Sometimes, you just don't have a choice as to whether you need to take a trip, and whether you need to have a deliverable (report, email, presentation) delivered. Or, sometimes, you find that on the first leg of your N leg outbound journey that you've been able to make room for Important Graph 14 in your presentation, or you call your assistant back in the office and they've been able to dig up Important Table 3. These are just a couple of scenarios where, between flights, connectivity is, in fact, important.

      The idea that there's any idle time left at all in the business day is archaic. Lean staffing means everyone is carrying two or three times the normal workload, and, in turn, that means that any available moment needs to be used to advantage, including the ability to connect to the net for 5 to 10 minutes before, between, or after, flights. This is one of the primary reasons airlines are eyeing in-flight connectivity --- although personally, I relish the imposed isolation on airplanes.

      My business travel includes about 10 trips per year. More than most of the flying public but definitely not as much as many of the frequent flyers I meet, and not as many as the people in the study who traveled 20 more more trips per year (if you don't travel much, that is A LOT of travel; these are road warriors). I don't always need airport internet connectivity, but I use it on nearly every trip. Then again, if all of the airport televisions in the world were to inexplicably vanish, I'd applaud the event.

      Getting back to the parent post: the idea that an organization should fire someone because they're a single point of failure is self-defeating. It not so much guarantees failure as causes it. The appropriate reaction for a company when a single point of failure is recognzied is to plan for multiple support paths where resources allow. For a small company, though, just about everyone becomes a single point of failure. That's the nature of efficient allocation of resources and the resultant concentration of skill.

      But, the parent also is missing the point that many other posters have brought up: food is generally available at airports (as are bathrooms, ticket counters, etc.) and you rarely have to search very hard for it. We don't think about food at airports very much. Until network access is similarly omnipresent, it will be more important. In addition, many -- definitely not all -- business travelers are treading a path that's slightly different than the general public, one that often includes airport lounges or upgraded seating in the planes. These often come with better-than-usual food options.

      That said, the real issue here is that the study was done by American Airlines and HP. Does, perchance, AA offer in-flight internet access on US domestic flights? You betcha. Does, perhaps HP offer business connectivity solutions? Yep. Think it was really news? The source article is from PR News Wire -- it's a frelling PRESS RELEASE. The chances that this was a carefully constructed, objective study are quite small indeed.

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    6. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but it's a waste of those two hours. That's two hours that I could be hanging out with my kids, kissin' the wife, or be taking care of work that requires my physical presence. I know there will be anywhere from 1 to maybe 3 hours of unoccupied time at the airport, which is perfect for answering email. This then becomes two hours that I [I]don't[/I] have to spend later, when I'm at my destination with more to do than, well, wait in line at an airport.

    7. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been in an airport? Anything, I mean anything, to take my mind off of the experience is a good thing. Whether that's a book, or the internet, or an iPod, or all of the above, please just give me the option. Ugh.

    8. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      you've been able to make room for Important Graph 14 in your presentation, or you call your assistant back in the office and they've been able to dig up Important Table 3.

      Dude, your that guy who anonymizes the variable names on thedailywtf.com!

    9. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by grrrl · · Score: 1

      Surely it's possible for an individual to spend a few hours away from an internet connection?

      How about if you are not leaving for the airport from your internet-connected house and then arriving at another internet-connected location? What if you are *gasp* travelling on a multi-stop adventure around any particular continent or even the world? Not everyone travelling is doing so for business or for a one-stop trip.

      What if your total travel schedule is longer than "a few hours" - up to even 48 hours long? This happened to me and my brother flying home to Australia from Europe - two 9 hour stop overs - yeah you're going to want some free internet!

      In my experience airport food is horrendous, but there is more choice in US airports. Australian airports are terrible, those I went to in Europe weren't great either. The food in Dublin airport was good, because it was all made fresh, which in itself was the most ridiculous idea ever seen in an airport - who can afford to wait 30 minutes for their meal (each meal took ~5 minutes for the chef to make and the lines were long) when most people have little more time than that before they have to board the plane????

      Even on long journeys (living in Australia means most air travel is 18 hours minimum to Europe or US, and I've been on a few in the last few years) I'd rather have free WiFi than food - I'd rather have something to do than just sit around consuming calories for the sake of it.

    10. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by 31415926535897 · · Score: 1

      Even for a "business" user, you should be well enough organised that your employer can afford to be out of touch with you for a short period, without suffering catastrophic business failure (if not, they should fire you immediately as you are obviously a single point of failure and as such a total liability to the organisation).

      What an asinine statement. If you're such a liability to your corporation that you being gone is catastrophic then the last thing they should do is fire you. File that away in Business 101.

      If anyone deserves to be fired, it's that person's manager or the person in charge of personnel. They're the one's that have created the single point of failure, not the employee.

      I can't believe drivel like this gets modded +5 "Insightful"

    11. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by barzok · · Score: 1

      Surely it's possible for an individual to spend a few hours away from an internet connection?

      Have you forgotten where you're posting?

    12. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Even for a "business" user

      I'm curious, do you just not believe that people travel for business?

      Or is the whole concept just so preposterous that their needs should not be taken into account?

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    13. Re:Sign of internet addiction? by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Surely it's possible for an individual to spend a few hours away from an internet connection?

      Tell that to the VP screaming he can't get email.

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  23. True. by d0n0vAn · · Score: 1

    Yes, a working connection is more important than food, and on par with beer.

  24. Find the airline "club"... by dh0dges · · Score: 1, Informative

    Find the airline "club" and free wifi usually leaks out...

  25. Electrical outlets by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is the second most important thing. I'd even say it's the first one: I can live without internet, but to work offline I need to charge the laptop.

    At most airoports a few outlets in the waiting areas are at best inconveniently located (being designed for plugging cleaning machines rather than for traveller's use), and at worst unavailable. I've spent more than a few strolls down the halls trying to find a free outlet and a seat withing the reach of it.

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    1. Re:Electrical outlets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are these sweet seats that I found recently at RDU, very comfy and they all had electrical outlets on the front by your knees. I almost didn't notice the outlet but now that I know I will be on the lookout for these at other airports.

      Also PDX has reasonably priced good food because the restaurants are required to be cost competitive with the rest of town. I am talking about 3 dollar microbrews during happy hour because that is what the brewery does at their in town locations, plus free wifi in the whole airport. Too bad Portland isn't a hub.

    2. Re:Electrical outlets by afabbro · · Score: 1

      is the second most important thing. I'd even say it's the first one: I can live without internet, but to work offline I need to charge the laptop.

      Amen, brother! At big airports it's comical to see guys clustered around poles or walking around with their laptop and adapter in hand like circling vultures, waiting for a free outlet.

      It's really pathetic that airports don't have more places to charge. Every seat should have one. For that matter, so should every seat on a plane...

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    3. Re:Electrical outlets by eggman9713 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not as bad as the last time I was in the Las Vegas airport a couple of years ago, but I actually found that most if not all of the outlets in the passenger gate areas did not function. I guess they turn off the breakers except when needed to keep people from stealing their power.

    4. Re:Electrical outlets by seinman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Want to be the most popular guy at the airport? Throw a plug strip in your laptop bag. After turning two plugs into seven, all the tech addicts on the flight were buying me drinks. Good times.

    5. Re:Electrical outlets by Stiletto · · Score: 1

      Oh, God--I wish I hadn't already replied in this thread. Mod parent up 5x!! Awesome idea.

      (until the TSA classifies power strips as "choking devices")

    6. Re:Electrical outlets by astrotek · · Score: 1

      I take it you've never been on international flights when some guy blows the circuit to your row of the plane for a 8-12 hour flight. I can live without laptop power at your seat if it means I can have light.

    7. Re:Electrical outlets by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      I've spent more than a few strolls down the halls trying to find a free outlet and a seat withing the reach of it.

      I scoured Copenhagen airport for power outlets. I found one. A frigging single one, in the smokers' glass cage where the air was unbearable (and I smoke!).

    8. Re:Electrical outlets by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      Somewhere in the hub (where the "tentacles") converge, there is a small fancy 'designer' seating area. Lots of outlets there. When changing planes, I always walk through it.

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    9. Re:Electrical outlets by ozbird · · Score: 1

      (until the TSA classifies power strips as "choking devices")

      Could be useful for dealing with said tech addicts when your fly is due to depart.

    10. Re:Electrical outlets by grrrl · · Score: 1

      I had to spend some time in the "Christian prayer room" at Frankfurt once, as it was the only place to have a power outlet in the whole damn crappy terminal 2!

    11. Re:Electrical outlets by starblazer · · Score: 1

      Actually, they have walls of outlets now with stools. IIRC it's branded the "Verizon Power Center". I think there were 8 outlets available.

      Hey, it was free.

    12. Re:Electrical outlets by WizardOfZid · · Score: 1

      If you fly Southwest you can find nice lounge chairs with power and USB charging ports - just another thing they do to try to set themselves apart from the rest of the airlines. So far I know of free WiFi at Denver, Phoenix, KC. Let the airport management know that you appreciate them providing WiFi at no charge to maybe get more to provide that service.

    13. Re:Electrical outlets by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      They need the power for the slots.

    14. Re:Electrical outlets by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Similarly, if you're in a band and need power, bring a power strip. It may turn out to be unnecessary, but life is really going to suck if EVERYONE left theirs at home. If you use several of those plugs, make sure the strip has a couple extra. If you use wallwarts, consider an extension cord (where you can splay the wallwarts out in every direction) in addition to the power strip.

      Mal-2

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  26. Hahahah .. "serious advance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jezus. IPv6 is cool and all, but it is hardly a SERIOUS ADVANCE over traditional and SSL VPNs. It's more like a dead obvious extension that nobody bothered with earlier because the OS support remained a moving target.

    1. Re:Hahahah .. "serious advance" by LibertineR · · Score: 1
      Yep, obvious.....

      That is why Apple and Linux providers have been using it for YEARS, right?

      This is technology that could have made serious inroads for the traveling business customer.

      Managing remote clients has been a nightmare under any circumstances, but DirectAccess will change all that.

      Dead obvious extension, my ass.

    2. Re:Hahahah .. "serious advance" by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      I've already got global IPv6 addresses on every machine on my LAN (even the ass-backwards XP one) and could trivially add Mobile IPv6 support if there was a good reason to.

      So what does this Microsoft thing do, besides vendor lock-in?

    3. Re:Hahahah .. "serious advance" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget it man - you're fighting a losing battle.

      You can't argue with blind rage.

  27. Next survey: BEER is more important than airport by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's like those studies that found out that, under the right circumstances, EVERYTHING causes cancer in lab rats.

    All the airport food is going to do (by its' high price and low quality) is remind you that you're STUCK IN A DAMN AIRPORT.

    In a related survey - "70% of people surveyed prefered New Coke - the other 30% chose airport food, broken glass, or suicide." It all depends on how you ask the question.

  28. Boing-don't-go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a warning not to use Boingo for wifi access at London Heathrow Airport (or anywhere else, IMO).

    The sign-up form told me it would be UKP4.95 for 24 hours, but they dinged my debit card for the princely sum of UKP13.95. A totally ridiculous sum to charge for 24 hours internet access, knowing you're only likely to use it for a couple of hours anyway.

    I haven't got anywhere getting a response from the buggers either.

  29. This may be true for business people.. by wilgibson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... but when you traveling for the hell of it and have been stuck in the same airport for a day decent food becomes way more important that wifi and internet access.

    1. Re:This may be true for business people.. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Silly rabbit, airports don't have decent food.

  30. Re:Sign of internet addiction? No. Work addiction by Stiletto · · Score: 1

    Sometimes, you just don't have a choice as to whether you need to take a trip, and whether you need to have a deliverable (report, email, presentation) delivered. Or, sometimes, you find that on the first leg of your N leg outbound journey that you've been able to make room for Important Graph 14 in your presentation, or you call your assistant back in the office and they've been able to dig up Important Table 3. These are just a couple of scenarios where, between flights, connectivity is, in fact, important.

    The idea that there's any idle time left at all in the business day is archaic. Lean staffing means everyone is carrying two or three times the normal workload, and, in turn, that means that any available moment needs to be used to advantage

    Sounds more like "Work Addiction" than "Internet Addiction" to me. I hope you are being paid handsomely (and hourly) for your willingness to sacrifice every free second of your day, so some presentation you make to a room full of other burnt-out employees is just right.

    Just an observation. The rest of your post was insightful and well-thought out.

  31. Salt by backwardMechanic · · Score: 1

    Why father, I love you more than salt...

  32. Is food really a basic need? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every flight I've been on in the continental US has been short enough that it didn't seem necessary to stop for food (although sometimes I did anyway). I can easily live with skipping a meal, but sitting down and doing nothing for several hours on end gets pretty boring.

  33. Bring your own data - electricity wifi by billstewart · · Score: 1

    On the average, I'm not flying with a new laptop, and unless I'm on a short-haul flight like San Jose - LA, I'm likely to need to plug in my computer while I'm waiting at the airport. I can bring many hours worth of data with me, but only an hour or two of electricity, and while it's sometimes convenient to use Google Maps at the airport instead of before leaving, I'd much rather have an airport that had decent electric sockets instead of being one of the couple of people sitting on the floor near the vacuum cleaner socket. San Jose finally installed lots of power strips near most of the seating - yay!

    Of course, bathrooms and coffee are usually the higher priorities.

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  34. Power Sources by metlin · · Score: 1

    As someone who flies at least twice a week (with more than 45 trips already this year), I have a slightly different view.

    I've dietary restrictions (I'm a vegetarian and I'm allergic to eggs), but I still find a lot of good airport food. It's really not all that bad as people make it out to be. You just need to look in the right places, and there are plenty of good options. Similarly, water and restrooms are also taken for granted.

    Also, most frequently flier business travelers that I know have EVDO cards installed, so they don't necessarily care about WiFi. If anything, a lot of companies explicitly prohibit using public/free wifi for work out of valid, security concerns.

    So, my biggest need that most airports lack is power sources. Places where I can plug in my laptops, my blackberry or my bluetooth headset and charge it. If anything, most international airports are really good about this -- it is only US airports where I find this severely lacking.

  35. Charles de Gaulle airport wasn't that bad by billstewart · · Score: 1

    I don't remember having any trouble finding bathrooms at CdG - and since I do remember finding the pub there, and having several hours of waiting on some trips, I probably did need to find one. Was the problem on the international side of the customs inspectors?

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    1. Re:Charles de Gaulle airport wasn't that bad by rubah · · Score: 1

      I might be confusing it with the train station, now that I think about it. Either way, mass transit in Paris asking for â0,5 to dispose of bodily fluids.

  36. Yes, Usually you can bring an empty bottle by billstewart · · Score: 1

    I haven't had any problem doing that in a while, though maybe that's because empty bottles aren't very visible on xrays. It's of course guaranteed that if the TSA thugs want to confiscate it, they'll claim that it's *always* been the rule, everywhere in the country, but usually you can bring them.

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    1. Re:Yes, Usually you can bring an empty bottle by rdoger6424 · · Score: 1

      The TSA thugs won't confiscate it. I've chugged it in plain sight and they don't care.

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  37. Well, hardly ever... by billstewart · · Score: 1

    There was somebody who got busted because they thought his homemade chocolate was hashish. I read it on the internet somewhere a year or two ago, so I don't remember if it was an airport or somewhere else, but they arrested the guy and harassed him for a while before finally deciding it was actually chocolate.

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  38. Percentage points vs. percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both the linked articles say "30 percentage points" which is significantly more than 30 percent.

    47% say WiFi most important.
    17% (47-30) say basic travel needs such as food is most important.

    47 * 100 / 17 = 276.5%

    So it is outscoring basic travel needs by 276.5% or 30 percentage points.

  39. Let me get this straight... by Telephone+Sanitizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    An airline conducted a study by emailing a tiny subset of their frequent fliers and inviting them to get online to take a survey...

    The results showed that of those users who got online and took the survey a clear majority thought that being able to get online was very important.

    Oh, and incidentally, AA has upgraded their infrastructure and while it's almost too trivial to mention, WiFi is being deployed at their hubs, in-flight Internet is being trialled on their international flights and power-jacks for laptops are available in business-class and first-class... but those people who authorized those projects don't need to justify it with some bogus study.

    Really. This is hard science.

    Really.

    (^_^)

  40. got pods? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    If they would just put us in stasis pods we wouldn't need food, restrooms, extra leg room or wifi.

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  41. 3G FTW! by macshome · · Score: 1

    I fly a lot more than most people out there, even more than most biz travelers, and the instant I got a EVDO modem I stopped caring about WiFi on the road.

  42. Access to high security data not stealing? by fantomas · · Score: 1

    "Stealing is taking something away from you that's exclusive (you and I can't both have it) without your consent. It's not a synonym for "conduct I dislike" or "conduct I find unethical".

    How about accessing and then downloading copies of high security US military data? I am sure some gentlemen from the CIA might dispute your argument that this is not stealing on the grounds that they still have access to the original copies of their data.

    You and I could both have copies of how to make a nuclear bomb, for example, from your original data. You could still make a nuclear bomb, but I can now also make a nuclear bomb.

    Though I have to say a more basic philosophical discussion could be started here... :-)

    1. Re:Access to high security data not stealing? by Parallax48 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Still not stealing.

      In this case you are acquiring access to classified data. You are not stealing it (i.e you are not physically walking off with blueprints).

      Imagine I took a photo of a bomb. Did I just steal it?

    2. Re:Access to high security data not stealing? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Again, you can certainly argue as to whether the behavior in question is ethical or acceptable, but it's not stealing. The gentlemen from the CIA can arrest you because it's illegal to gain unauthorized access to classified data, whether you actually make it unavailable to the person who previously had it or not. It's still not stealing, though, even though it is a different crime. Many things, from speeding to murder, are illegal and yet are not theft.

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    3. Re:Access to high security data not stealing? by Jstlook · · Score: 1

      Maybe not stealing, but some scenarios would certainly call it treason.

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  43. Ranking right after by megas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *freaking* Power Supplies!!

    It's amazing how many recently built terminals lack power supplies near the gates.

  44. That made me giggle, thank you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am now typing text in this box because Slashdot can't handle a one-line response in the title.

  45. Anyone say "air"? Re:Well Duh by Forge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This result is actually not surprising. Note that "air" doesn't even make the list.

    Food is available in virtually every terminal of nearly all airports. It's no big deal because you always have it.

    By contrast many Airports do not have WiFi and of those that do, many attempt to charge for the service.

    So when you open your Laptop in Fort Lauderdale and see skype connected right away, it feels like a big deal. I don't know about other people but since this year I have chosen 2 flights that stop in FLL over comparable flights which stop in MIA, because of the Internet access.

    Granted on one of those flights the price of the ticket was far lower but on the other I actually payed $5 more and spent 90 minutes extra in the airport.

    As any Slashdoter can attest a 5 hour wait with internet is a lot shorter than a 3 1/2 hour wait without it.

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    1. Re:Anyone say "air"? Re:Well Duh by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      I would happily pay for wifi service that WORKS as opposed to the free "cripple wifi" offered in many airports. The free wifi is generally not very usable. In contrast, the paid variety seems to work very well.

      Maybe there is a market for both. In fact, some airports DO have both.

      But along with wifi, POWER is a big need that is ignore by most airports including the new international terminal in San Francisco (you would think ALL the airports in the Bay area would "get it." San Jose seems to.

      One airport I frequent used to have an area with cubicles that even had PHONES in them. Unfortunately, this was converted to some other office use and is no longer available (Boo Hiss!!!)

    2. Re:Anyone say "air"? Re:Well Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of air is primarily a problem in certain spaceports.

    3. Re:Anyone say "air"? Re:Well Duh by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      You don't "need" access to the net to entertain yourself. Why not just pack a good book and read for a bit. Or go for a walk around the terminal. You're going to have your arse on a seat for the next $LOTS hours, so you might as well move around a bit while you can.

    4. Re:Anyone say "air"? Re:Well Duh by Forge · · Score: 1

      Next time say "I". You have no idea what the needs of another person are. Especially when it comes to secondary or tertiary needs like entertainment or information.

      In my case I like to read Jamaican newspapers, play online game, and post messages on Slashdot.

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  46. Google it, dude. by LibertineR · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has a very detailed white paper on the subject, and there are numerous reviews of the application on sites all over the web. I think, you will find it interesting.

  47. Don't they have aircards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't they have aircards? I am not a business traveller, but when I DID travel, I found wifi not important at all -- it was slower than my air card anyway. What kind of cheap businesses expect people to be online at the airport but don't provide a means to do it?

              I would therefore rate food WELL above wi-fi for airport amenities. More power outlets would be great though. And nicer chairs.

  48. Free or pay-to-use Wifi? by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Is that about free wifi or pay-to-use wifi?

    Pay-to-use wifi is useless, I'm never gonna pay for that.

  49. Wait, what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, did this guy just do what I think he did? He is adding hardware MAC collisions on _top_ of all the WiFi channel overlap? Yikes!

  50. Still WiFi by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Imagine for a moment that airports suddenly removed all of the bathrooms. Where do you think Wifi would rank on the next survey?

    As long as security keep providing plastic bags and confiscating any liquids a lack of bathrooms would not be too much of a problem.

  51. Of Diamonds and Water by definate · · Score: 1

    Their utility at that moment is for a preference of WiFi, however that doesn't mean they wouldn't have another preference in another situation.

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  52. Business travelers could care less about wifi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because they either tether to their blackberry or they are packing a mobile card for their laptop. I travel 50%+ of the time and I can't remember the last time I bothered to notice whether there was wifi -- paid or free -- because I have a mobile card with me and thus have connectivity almost everywhere I go... I once did a demonstration to a team in Hong Kong using my mobile card while I was a passenger in a vehicle traveling westbound on I-80. Bottom line is, you can't expect the wifi to be where you want to be, you have to take measures on for yourself if you need constant mobile connectivity.

  53. Airport food? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    What kind of airports do you fly out of?

    Most 'airport food' that I've had is on par with Mall food and frequently, there's a midline restaurant or too. Perhaps 25% more expensive than Mall fare - not cheap but you can usually get a sub sandwich for around 8 dollars or so.

    Add a beer for 2 dollars and I'm happy.

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  54. Why not be practical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather have free wi-fi at the airport than get food poisoning (again) while stuck in a layover for ten hours.

  55. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody with brains would pay the ridiculous prices for airport "food" which usually sucks anyway. Anyone with an ounce of sense would bring their own food.

  56. Airports are deliberately ignoring customers needs by strangedays · · Score: 1

    Whenever I get stuck on layover between flights, I always find myself wandering around some crowded seating area at some gate trying to find some way of setting up a laptop comfortably and plugging it into a power supply. I am not alone, you usually find others who have sneaked a cord behind the check in desk, or similar, so they can stay online for a couple of hours.

    Given the lousy flight overbooking policies of airlines and the fewer and much more crowded flights, on smaller planes, the likelihood of getting stuck in some area near a gate for 3 hours, perhaps more than once on a trip, is quite high; especially as no one sane is going to leave the security zone after passing through our TSA's overlords latest Guilty until Proven Innocent Security Theatre and random traveller abuse process...

    IMHO airport designers are ignoring a clear and obvious opportunity. Simply provide seating with basic power supply and a basic foldout that can hold a laptop securely. Make a simple and free WIFI connection setup available, not some intermittent, weird signup / login process that gives my info to some bizarre company I will never use again and don't trust. I gave up on expecting wifi service long ago, I now use a broadband card for that exact reason.

    Business travellers, most with laptops are the target market for airlines and airports, so why is providing such a basic and obvious service so hard for the airports to understand? My conclusion is that it's not hard to see the need, they just don't care. Their goal is not to provide any actual services or facilities, because their few remaining customers are considered to be TSA captive targets to be overcharged for food and other abuse, as much as possible.

    For me, the bottom line is that the public needs move away from our ridiculous dependence on airports and airlines, which is why I support building a high speed rail network to directly compete with the continuously worsening service the airline industry provides. Let's have an alternative system of transport... then the free market will deal with the airports...

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  57. Call me crazy by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    "47% of business travelers responded that Wi-Fi was the most important airport amenity, outscoring basic travels needs such as food by nearly 30 percent"

    I would argue that the restroom is, and will remain, the second most important amenity for the foreseeable future, particularly since beer is the first.

  58. Survey sample? by jadv · · Score: 1

    I do not know if this point has been covered in TFA (which I did not R, in case anyone cares to ask) or in other posts here (did not go all the way into troll and flamebait territory but I did read a lot of posts and found nothing on it): Exactly how important a part of the air travelers' universe is made up of people who: a) Travel with a laptop in tow, and b) Feel the need to whip it out at every waiting lounge? Speaking for myself, I have never bought a laptop for personal use, although I have one belonging to the company I work for which I carry around on work-related trips. I have never bothered to open it up in an airport because I don't want to go down as the idiot who inadvertently smuggled a virus into the company intranet because he couldn't wait a couple of hours to check his e-mail. The bottom line is, does anyone know what percentage of air travelers would really give a damn whether this or that airport has wi-fi, on account of actually having a laptop to connect to it? And no, I do not consider this so-called survey a reliable source because it was done by people who were interested in a specific outcome.

  59. Buddy, how big is your pocket? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    It is news to me that airport food is bad.

    Having travelled to around 20 countries, perhaps close to 60 different airports, in the last 10 years I think I would know about it.

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  60. You are stealing bandwith by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    And IP address space.

    The company pays a certain amount for the links they use and they may be charged also by the amount of data they allow to pass through their networks.

    If you think the suggested method is not immoral or unethical, then please post your full name so we know the kind of professional you are, just in case.

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  61. Which airport in particular? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I have eaten in many airports, and there is food for all budgets (hint: good food is not cheap normally).

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