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How To Seize a Laptop And Make It Stick

Frequent Slashdot contributor Bennett Haselton takes a look back at the recent Boston case where police seized a student's laptop but had to give it back. "The EFF was right to argue that police had no right to seize the laptop of a Boston College student who was accused of forging an e-mail from his roommate. But according to the judge's reasoning, the police probably could have gotten away with it, if they had appeared to care more about pursuing the student for downloading pirated movies instead." Click the link for Bennett's analysis.
On May 21, Justice Margot Botsford of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ordered police to return computer equipment that they had seized from Boston College student Riccardo Calixte in March. Police had obtained a warrant and seized the computer equipment on the basis of three alleged acts committed by Calixte: (a) forging an e-mail to a Boston College mailing list purporting to be from his roommate, Jesse Bennefield, claiming to "come out" as gay and announcing his membership on a gay dating site; (b) illegally downloading movies to his computer; and (c) hacking into the school's grading system to change grades for students. Justice Botsford ruled that on the one hand, even if Calixte had sent the forged e-mail, that did not constitute a crime, and on the other hand, the documentation supporting the search warrant had made only cursory references to the downloaded movies and the grade-hacking, not enough to support the standard of evidence required for a warrant.

The EFF was right to argue on Calixte's behalf that forging an e-mail to a mailing list does not constitute "obtaining computer services by fraud or misrepresentation" and hence does not violate Massachusetts's computer crime statutes. Unfortunately for future defendants in the same situation, the judge's ruling suggests that the court might have upheld the warrant even if the police had only pretended to care more about the alleged crimes committed by Calixte -- the hacking into the school's grading system, and the downloading of movies -- and less about the sending of the forged e-mail, which the courts found not to be a crime.

A portion of the judge's decision reads:

He [Jesse Bennefield, Calixte's former roommate and the "informant" whose tip led to the issuance of the search warrant] stated, among other things, that "he has observed Mr. Calixte hack into the BC grading system that is used by professors to change grades for students"; he also told [police detective] Christopher that "Mr. Calixte has a cache of approximately 200+ illegally downloaded movies as well as music from the internet."

The affidavit does not reveal any investigatory steps taken as a result of this January 28, 2009, conversation between Bennefield and Christopher. Rather, the bulk of the affidavit is devoted to a discussion of two email messages, apparently sent from the Google and Yahoo email services...

And later:

Moreover, although Bennefield reported this allegedly criminal conduct in late January, Detective Christopher did not seek a search warrant until March 30, 2009, two months later, and the affidavit does not reveal any effort to verify or follow up on any of the complaints, even by asking Bennefield for further details. By contrast, the claim that Calixte sent false emails is supported by two pages of detailed information, listing the steps taken to determine who sent the emails, the time they were sent, and the evidence suggesting that they were sent from Calixte's computer.

In sum, the principal focus of the affidavit was on the emails. Faced with the reality that the alleged email activity was probably not illegal, the Commonwealth now seeks to justify the search warrant, post hoc, based on an affidavit that fails to indicate either the time or the place of the criminal activity its informant claims to have witnessed, and that reflects no effort or attempt to verify the sketchy information supplied...

In other words: Even if the police didn't really care about the pirated movies and the grade-hacking, it might have helped to make the warrant stick if they had made more of a passing reference to those issues in the motion for a warrant, at least according to the reasoning expressed by the judge.

Compared to the analysis that the police conducted in order to determine whether Calixte sent the e-mails (such as looking up the records to see if the IP address was registered to his user account at the time), there's probably not much that the police could have done to determine if Calixte had downloaded any movies illegally, short of seizing his computer. Even if the campus had a log of all remote sites that Calixte had connected to, there would be no way to determine what he might have downloaded over a peer-to-peer protocol that encrypts downloaded data, as most peer-to-peer programs do.

But ironically, the fact that there is so little the police could have done to follow up on that investigation, would have made it even easier for them to create the appearance that they cared about the downloaded movies, even if they didn't! All they would have to do is say, in fancier language: "We asked the campus network if they could tell us what Calixte downloaded from various IP addresses, and they couldn't tell us anything. We asked them if they had any way of knowing what files might reside currently on Calixte's laptop, and they couldn't tell us anything." Basically: "We tried. We hit a wall right away. But we tried, and that proves we care." The warrant application as it was written, might as well have said that with regard to the issue of the downloaded movies: "We didn't try at all."

From the informant's side, the judge said that there was not enough evidence to support the issuance of a warrant because Bennefield's affidavit fails

"to state Bennefield's basis of knowledge that Calixte has in fact downloaded files to his computer, or that they are 'illegal.' Contrast Commonwealth v. Beliard, 443 Mass. 79 85 (2004) (named informant's basis of knowledge established by firsthand observation, furnished with detail and specificity)."

OK, so if you're a potential "informant" planning on ratting out your roommate, and you think that your roommate has downloaded some movies illegally, just ask him point-blank if you can see a couple of seconds of his clip of Wolverine, or some other movie in current release of which the 3,000 screens it is legally playing on does not include your roommate's laptop. Then you can "furnish with detail and specificity" the accusations that you want to make later.

So maybe the police have learned their lesson and they'll know how to get around this roadblock next time. I still wouldn't call that a tragedy for civil liberties, at least with regards to the acts alleged in this case. The EFF wisely took no position on whether Calixte actually did commit any of the acts that he was accused of, only that the police had no right to seize his equipment. But if the police can ever prove that someone hacked into their school's grading system, that person should be punished; that's not a civil liberties issue. Even downloading movies, which we tend to think of as a more victimless crime, means that for every dollar saved by someone watching a movie for free in their dorm room, the shortfall has to be made up by paying ticket buyers.

And if Calixte actually did send the forged e-mail pretending to be from Jesse Bennefield, then while the courts were correct to rule that that was not a crime, Bennefield could probably sue him in civil court, especially now that the police have done all the heavy lifting of uncovering the evidence. According to the warrant affidavit, the message to the Boston College mailing lists was sent from an IP address that had been registered to a computer with the same network name as Calixte's laptop. The e-mail also included a screen shot of a fake profile for Bennefield on the www.adam4adam.com site, and the network logs showed that an IP address registered to Calixte was the only IP address in that dorm to visit the gay dating site www.adam4adam.com in the five days prior to the e-mail being sent. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but if you had to bet everything you owned on a "Yes" or "No" answer to the question of whether Calixte sent the e-mail, which would you pick?

The EFF was right to go to court for the narrowly prescribed legal principles that (a) forging an e-mail to a mailing list does not constitute "obtaining computer services by fraud or misrepresentation" or "unauthorized access to a computer system," and that (b) vague accounts of illegally downloaded movies or rumors of hacking into a school grading system, are insufficient for the issuance of a search warrant. But that doesn't mean that the police can't overcome those obstacles next time, and it doesn't mean we should hold up Riccardo Calixte as some kind of cyber-liberties hero.

177 comments

  1. Mountain Dew... by swanzilla · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...should do the trick.

    1. Re:Mountain Dew... by gbarules2999 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, Coke. I mean, real cocaine. Just sprinkle a bit over the laptop and boom, you've got condemning evidence.

  2. tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Follow the old adage: If you are going to break a law, only break one law at a time.

    Don't speed and be drunk
    Don't deal drugs and forge your taxes
    Don't pretext to be someone else and have copyright infringing material on the same machine.

    (P.S. I know, I know. he didn't break the law. I'm just sayin'.)

    1. Re:tl;dr by donaggie03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Al Capone, is that you? How is that posting flamebait? I think the logic is sound. If you are going to break an inane or unenforceable law, Don't break other laws that draw attention to yourself or give the authorities an easier way to get you convicted. The only way I can see that post as flamebait is if the moderator got caught drunk driving AND the post was directed at him personally. Or maybe you just have something against slashdot's newest member, Anonymous Cowardon?

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    2. Re:tl;dr by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't speed and be drunk

      Wait, what? I thought it was while transporting bodies that we weren't supposed to speed...

    3. Re:tl;dr by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Those aren't bodies, those are really heavy empty barrels. Mr. Guido will be over shortly, to re-educate your kneecaps.

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    4. Re:tl;dr by spidercoz · · Score: 3, Informative

      give up. logic and rational thought is lost here

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    5. Re:tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, being drunk isn't illegal.

    6. Re:tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, being drunk isn't illegal.

      While driving it is...

      DUI

    7. Re:tl;dr by igny · · Score: 5, Funny

      Officer to the driver: Sir, you were the millionth car who crossed this bridge. Here is your prize of $10000. What are you going to do with that money?
      Driver: I will finally buy the driving license.
      Wife: Do not listen to him, he is just drunk.
      Mother in law: Didn't I tell you that you would not get far on the stolen car?
      A voice from the trunk: Did we cross the border yet?

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    8. Re:tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      give up. logic and rational thought is lost here

      +1 Flamebait

      yup

    9. Re:tl;dr by mr_stinky_britches · · Score: 1

      That "Anonymouse Cowardon" is just a little devil, isn't he!

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    10. Re:tl;dr by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Posting to undo incorrect moderation. Stupid dropdowns.

  3. My analysis....(IANAL) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first think I would do in this guy's situation is to sue the city under the premise that since the search warrant was illegal, all activities flowing from the warrant were performed outside of the city's normal police powers. Since the activities were carried out without any authorized police powers, they were also carried out without the normal protections granted police during the lawful execution of their duties.

    Potential charges would be:

    1) Breaking and entering.
    2) Trespassing.
    3) Illegal search and seizure.
    4) Theft of personal property.
    5) Possession of stolen property.
    6) Vandalism.
    7) Unlawful entry.
    8) False arrest.
    9) False imprisonment (note that this doesn't require actually being jailed).
    10) Dereliction of duty.

    The next two would also be levied against whatever organization the city hired to peruse through my files:

    11) Unauthorized access to a computing device.
    12) Circumvention of a copy-protection mechanism (my user and root passwords).

    I'm sure I could come up with more if I did some research.

    1. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Suisho · · Score: 1

      I wonder if hacking laws would fall under it also.

    2. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      The first think I would do in this guy's situation is to sue the city...

      There has to be a way of punishing the guilty without punishing the tax payer. Suing your own government is just kicking yourself in the ass. It solves nothing, makes lawyers rich, gives some money to the victim, and likely does nothing to the perpetrators of the crime who committed the offense. In the case of the police, they will be looking after each other (like in the Jeffrey Dahmer case where the police officer who was responsible for sending a naked juvenile to his death was re-hired [after being fired by public outrage] and promoted through union pressure).

    3. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by donaggie03 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think it works that way. Just because a warrant was later found to be invalid does not necessarily mean the police were acting illegally. I think the judge would say that as long as the police were acting "in good faith" or whatever, then they can't be touched. Unless of course they did something totally heinous or overreaching, in which case the warrant issue would have nothing to do with it. Also, I think I should point out that in general, the legality of the police actions and the admissibility of any evidence found are two separate issues.

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    4. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There has to be a way of punishing the guilty without punishing the tax payer. Suing your own government is just kicking yourself in the ass.

      Easy, if the police take something without a warrant, that's theft. Prosecute them for that. None of this internal review board shit. If an officer steps outside his legal authority he is a criminal.

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    5. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >I don't think it works that way.

      It should.

      Just because a warrant was later found to be invalid does not necessarily mean the police were acting illegally.

      If the warrant is the only reason it was legal for them to do what they did, and the warrant is invalid, then their actions should be considered illegal.

      I think the judge would say that as long as the police were acting "in good faith" or whatever, then they can't be touched.

      In that case, prosecute the judge who issued the invalid warrant. Yes, I know he has immunity. This is a huge problem with our system. We need to put some TEETH into the law to stop those who violate our rights.

      Unless of course they did something totally heinous

      How is theft not heinous?

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    6. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very good question. You could probably make the argument they engaged in unauthorized access of your computer system.

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    7. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by donaggie03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem I see with your argument is that at some point in time the police did have a valid warrant, signed by a judge, which directed their course of action. Based on this legal document, the police then acted accordingly, and LEGALLY. If the warrant was later found to be invalid for any reason, then all evidence stemming from the warrant is thrown out. That is how it generally works now. Just because the warrant was later found to be invalid, you can't take the police officer's legal actions and retroactively make them illegal. That would be a perfect example of an ex post facto law, which is unconstitutional. Warrants are thrown out all the time. Sometimes it is thrown out because the police officers left out some facts, or because the issuing judge gives them out too easily, or for any number of reasons. It isn't always the officer's fault and it isn't always the judge's fault, so pinning all the blame on one or the other in one fell swoop wouldn't work very well. These things should probably be worked out on a case by case basis, which is how it is currently done.

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    8. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by maxume · · Score: 1

      I doubt you could find a lawyer that would take up such a case on contingency, so get out your wallet (and cross your fingers).

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    9. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by itsthesmell · · Score: 1

      If you attempted to bring any of these charges you would lose, as the warrant was obtained and executed in good faith, meaning that, at the time of warrant execution, officers believed that their warrant was valid. If officers had falsified information on the warrant affidavit and/or lied to the judge signing the warrant then you would have a case, but no one is claiming that that occurred. The signing judge reviewed the facts of the case as listed in the warrant application and determined that there was probable cause to issue the warrant. You may fault the officers for charging a crime based on tenuous legal theory, but remember that they presented that legal theory for review to the signing judge and that judge concurred. The failure in the system occurred at the signing judge. If the only act for which sufficient probable cause was demonstrated was not actually a crime, then the signing judge should not have signed the warrant.

    10. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by cyber-dragon.net · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the best he can do is make all the evidence inadmissible in court.

      The police had a warrant, which at least in the US means signed by a judge. That is all the police need to be protected. The fact it was found to be faulty later means nothing they found can be used, and they have to give it back and say their sorry, but at the time of the activity it was perfectly legal. No recourse available.

      The judge who signed it has been embarrassed, and the police annoyed, that is as much vindication as he can get at this point.

      IMHO this is a case of checks and balances in the system working. Sure they should have worked sooner, but they did work.

    11. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These things should probably be worked out on a case by case basis, which is how it is currently done.

      Yet no one ever goes to jail for issuing false warrants.

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    12. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      Yet no one ever goes to jail for issuing false warrants.

      I agree that is a problem, but that signals to me that the system needs to be fixed, not overhauled. I'm not really sure what the situation is to the problem we are discussing, but I'm also fairly certain that the solution you suggest would be just as inappropriate.

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    13. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by selven · · Score: 1

      So you want the authorities to be tiptoeing around the citizens in fear of being punished? Reminds me of something about tyranny and liberty...

    14. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by ultraexactzz · · Score: 1

      That's the trick, though... if the Warrant is valid and the police officer executing it has reason to believe in good faith that the warrant is valid, then he can execute it and proceed. The fact that the warrant is declared invalid later doesn't mean that the officer wasn't acting in good faith. If the officer knew the warrant to be BS, and executed it anyway, then it's his ass - but that's another story.

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    15. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen a warrant, and read it? (not trying to be an ass here) A warrant is a court order to the LE officer to go search and retrieve what ever is specified in it. It is signed by a judge and written up by a lawyer. They had no reason to keep the laptop! They only needed to image the drive and then return it.

    16. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      You forgot: 'violation of constitutional rights under color of law'

      Since there was no crime involved in the warrant, you can hit the judge with this as well.

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    17. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      There's a thing called "acting in good faith" in cases like that. The police believe they have the right to do something, based on the information they have. If someone else then proves that information to be incorrect, the police shouldn't be the ones personally punished. Unless of course they're the ones that lied to get the warrant.

      And yes, I agree, it'd be nice if judges got arrested for issuing invalid warrants, when it's blatant abuse of power. They do eventually face reviews that will dump them off the bench if they're reversed on too many decisions. That's not good enough, imo, but it's a starting place. The problem is, most politicians are former lawyers and judges. There's a saying I heard once: It's a lawyer's job to become a judge. It's a judge's job to become a congressman. It's a congressman's job to become president.

      Remember, most of them have their eye on the next rung of the ladder, so they're not going to piss off anyone who can help get them there, which includes people further down on that ladder.

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    18. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you want the authorities to be tiptoeing around the citizens in fear of being punished?

      Yes exactly! We are after all the ones in charge.

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    19. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      In that case, prosecute the judge who issued the invalid warrant.

      This is the point where the DA laughs in your face and tells you to get out of his office.

    20. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by zufar · · Score: 1
      ..."I'm sure I could come up with more if I did some research."

      I think you could have done some research after this post: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1243685&cid=28074421

    21. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Did you not read the next sentence? I acknowledge judicial immunity, and said it was a problem. It needs to be abolished. We need to have accountability for these people when they overstep their authority. Criminals are criminals, whether they wear gang colors, business suits, uniforms, or robes.

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    22. Re:My analysis....(IANAL) by WNight · · Score: 1

      Especially when they wear the trappings of authority.

      Child abuse by a stranger is a terrible shame, but by a parent... treason.

  4. If they can't find it by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Funny

    they can't get it back. Problem solved.

    1. Re:If they can't find it by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      But you have to pay for damages.

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    2. Re:If they can't find it by Renraku · · Score: 1

      You say this like its a joke.

      Its not uncommon by any stretch to have something seized or impounded, only to find that the responsible organization can no longer find it. You can threaten them with legal action, but then you have to prove the following:

      A: That you owned said item.
      B: That you had said item with you at the time of seizure.
      C: That said item was seized.
      D: That said item wasn't returned.

      Its pretty fucking hard to prove all of those things. You better have receipts/statements showing you had it, some kind of 'proof' of seizure with time/date and signed by someone, and certified mail saying that they were unable to find your item. If you're missing any of that, don't hold your breath when trying to get things back.

      Remember how long it took for them to figure out that Detroit was keeping whichever impounded cars they wanted, by saying they didn't have it? Remember how many people got their cars back after the fact?

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  5. Just Great... by Suisho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because one pathetic excuse doesn't work, try another to do an unlawful seizure. Its like saying "I *think* you might possibly have stolen goods in your house, so I'm going to take couch to make sure it isn't stolen." yeah, that doesn't go over well.

  6. The legal system is too biassed by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the heck does the law make an imessuarably small dent in a megacorporations profits more important than fraud being perpetrated against a citizen? its ridiculous and very wrong.

    1. Re:The legal system is too biassed by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why the heck does the law make an imessuarably small dent in a megacorporations profits more important than fraud being perpetrated against a citizen?

      Because the megacorporations can afford more lobbyists than most citizens? (Sorry for answering the rhetorical question :)

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    2. Re:The legal system is too biassed by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      who's your daddy?

      its that simple.

      the money trail is *perceived* as coming from the corps. the power base is now and always has been the rich.

      you don't punish the rich when they do wrong; not usually. they can defend themselves.

      attack and punish the individual since they can't.

      simple. animal mentality used in human society. still.

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    3. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post got me to thinking. I have always assumed, like you , that citizens are powerless against large corporations and in the real world this is unfortunately true.

      However, hypothetically speaking if people (not just a few individuals but very a large number) could be organized to fight for a single purpose they would be able to compete with even the largest mega corporations.

      I mean 10s or 100s of millions of people pooling there money together for a single cause could financially trump any corporation.

      After all the richest organization in the world are countries and their money effectively comes directly from the people.

    4. Re:The legal system is too biassed by basementman · · Score: 1

      So it's more okay to steal from corporations than from your average citizen? Stealing is stealing.

    5. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're right, stealing is stealing. But copyright infringement is not stealing. It's a dent in profits, not a dent in inventory. Apples and oranges, friend.

    6. Re:The legal system is too biassed by interkin3tic · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Because the megacorporations can afford more lobbyists than most citizens? (Sorry for answering the rhetorical question :)

      Yes?

      (sorry for answering YOUR rhetorical question, and for continuing it.)

    7. Re:The legal system is too biassed by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 1

      I mean 10s or 100s of millions of people pooling there money together for a single cause could financially trump any corporation.

      Of course they could, and do (sometimes). I think the the problem is that there's hundreds and thousands of monied interests flooding legislators and executives with lobbyists, and in most cases there's just not enough "public outrage bandwidth" to support the effort required to push back any significant fraction of them.

      I mean, how many unrelated grass-roots efforts can the average Joe support before he's out of time and/or money? Most of us are too busy earning a living to do very much.

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    8. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Helix666 · · Score: 1

      Except, to get those tens, or hundreds, of millions of people to pool their money, you'd have to peel them away from watching their latest reality TV show. And then you'd have to get them to care, and if someone even breathes the words "child pornography" or "terrorism" anywhere near this single cause, it's trashed in the court of public opinion and you'll never see any money at all.

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    9. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's more okay to steal from corporations than from your average citizen? Stealing is stealing.

      But remember copy right infringement != theft. IMHO both are wrong, but one is more harmful than another.

    10. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      biassed

      It's true. The legal system has two asses.

    11. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The legal system is too biassed

      huh huh, two asses

    12. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's more basic than that. It's because, according to US law, money == speech.

    13. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Because the laws are written by the Corporations (through the politicians they own) for the Corporations. I suspect that much of the time so-called Western Democracies (and as a Canadian I include Canada in this) are nothing more than Corporatocracies (to coin a word since I can't think of a better one) with the *facade* of elections and political parties. From what I can see, its a rare day the Government doesn't bend over backwards to help large corporations and ignore the citizens.

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    14. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's more okay to steal from corporations than from your average citizen? Stealing is stealing.

      Yes. People torrent expensively-made movies. People don't torrent their neighbor's grocery lists.

    15. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Why the heck does the law make an imessuarably small dent in a megacorporations profits more important than fraud being perpetrated against a citizen? its ridiculous and very wrong.

      If everyone is to be treated as equal before the law, then fraud is fraud, no matter the perpetrator, no matter the victim, no matter the amount of harm done. That's not bias at all; in fact, it's the opposite.

    16. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Millennium · · Score: 1

      But remember copy right infringement != theft.

      Yes, it is. There is no valid difference between the two.

    17. Re:The legal system is too biassed by WNight · · Score: 1

      The only winners would be the lawyers.

      You know they're in the wrong, but the rules were written by them and their ilk and you'll never win if you play their game.

    18. Re:The legal system is too biassed by WNight · · Score: 1

      Ummm, one's a forced reallocation of scare goods, the other isn't.

      Copyrights, like patents, are just a way of stamping "first post" on something and collecting rent.

    19. Re:The legal system is too biassed by WNight · · Score: 1

      Sure, then let's make sure all the laws are considered here to make it fair.

      Let's really consider fair use. Not just yammer over some old words but think of what kinds of use are fair (anything that doesn't obviously hurt anyone) and then allow them.

      Let's also consider that copyright is a trade of a limited government monopoly for the ability to enrich the public domain with more works. This is only reasonable if the public domain is actually ever enriched. So strip all DRMed works of copyright - they can't ever really be used by the people so they aren't going to enrich the public domain and as such don't deserve protection.

      Now let's extend copyrights retroactively where it matters. If Disney wants their copyrights to last forever, why don't we go back just a few years more and find whoever owns something similar enough to Steamboat Willy and make their copyright the one that gets grandfathered in... After all, why choose to start at the specific place that enriches Disney over all others?

      If we're going to extend the copyright we should consider the phrase "a limited time" in the context of the life of a member of the public. After all, why should someone pay for someone's monopoly now that won't enrich anyone until centuries after his death?

      Oh, you wanted to just paint the people as thieves. How original.

    20. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't follow, and you know it. Corporations have been stealing under the protection of the law from your average citizen for a long time. And even if what they do isn't covered by a law they bought, they still won't get punished. If they get some sort of punishment, they'll be let of easy. Your average citizen will go to prison or get a life debilitating fine for the same thing a corporation gets a naughty naughty with advise to be less blatant next time.

    21. Re:The legal system is too biassed by volpe · · Score: 1

      Because if you pass a law against being a dick, we'll all end up in jail at some point.

    22. Re:The legal system is too biassed by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Ummm, one's a forced reallocation of scare goods, the other isn't.

      Yes, actually, it is. The point of copyright is that the rightsholder has the initial rights to all copies made: when you make one, it belongs to them. By not rendering it up to them, you have stolen it.

      People say that making a copy is what makes copyright not theft, when in fact it's the opposite: the creation of a copy is precisely what makes it theft. This is part of why, for example, libraries qualify as fair use despite getting the work out to so many people: no new copies are created in the process, and so nothing is stolen. The same goes for the used-media market: again, no new copies, ergo no theft.

      The balance of power in copyright is certainly too far off in favor of the creators, but the fact remains: pirates are nothing but common thieves. Those of us who wish to see a better balance, with more protection for the legitimate rights of legitimate users, must resist the temptation to consider pirates as allies: they are not. The "piracy != theft" line is ridiculous and invalid, unworthy of debate or respect.

    23. Re:The legal system is too biassed by WNight · · Score: 1

      Yes, actually, it is. The point of copyright is ...

      You seem to have mistaken government fiat with reality - it's okay, they usually make the same mistake, witness GM, etc. You've confused a law saying I should not with a physical law meaning I can not. For instance, despite my willingness to question and ignore useless laws, I have been unable to fall up. Damn gravity.

      However, despite the US Supreme Court's ruling that Steamboat Willie is still under copyright I have been able to reproduce it.

      Do you see the difference?

      It's provable that I can reproduce a file almost infinitely, without any incremental costs. That's the very definition of non-scarce. The bits being used are already there, so to speak.

      You can copy information without depriving the original owner. I can't take your car, or house without depriving you of them, but if I copy a song that you have or wrote you likely wouldn't even know.

      So what has been done? Certainly a government monopoly has been ignored. Pissed on. Flagrantly mocked even. But nothing has been stolen. Everyone has everything they started with, and now some people have more.

      While there are some applications for limited government monopolies you do nobody any favors by pretending that they are some sort of natural right.

      Words have meanings. The ones you are using are wrong. The term you're looking for is copyright violation. Use it.

  7. Fishing recipe by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a great warrant-free recipe for convictions:
    1) Seize computers from random people on flimsy grounds that you know will be thrown out.
    2) ???? (Go fishing through their hard drives for evidence of actual crimes.)
    3) Prosecute!

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    1. Re:Fishing recipe by shentino · · Score: 3, Informative

      Won't work in theory.

      The fruit of a poisoned tree doctrine will make step 1 nuke step 2.

    2. Re:Fishing recipe by donaggie03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Won't work in theory.

      The fruit of a poisoned tree doctrine will make step 1 nuke step 2.

      Except that is almost exactly what the judge in this case suggested the police should have done. The only difference, as far as I can tell, is the police already had a pretty good idea what "actual crime" they would try to find evidence for.

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    3. Re:Fishing recipe by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Actually, what the judge suggested was that you need to get some of the reasons for the warrant to stick. If step #1 of that recipe occurs, and all of the reasons get thrown out, then you get nothing at all. You must get something to stick, which is why that recipe doesn't work, and why it's different than what the judge was saying.

    4. Re:Fishing recipe by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      Ok I agree there. But change the argument just a little. Instead of getting the warrant for something that will get thrown out, get the warrant for some victimless, harmless crime, that has minimal penalties. Then use the warrant to "stumble upon" incriminating evidence for harsher crimes. Now will it work?

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    5. Re:Fishing recipe by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly, though IANAL, so I can't say. It seems that this analysis suggests that would work though.

    6. Re:Fishing recipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is exactly what almost happened to me a few years ago. I'd been fired from a sysadmin position (for foolishly telling my boss he was a prick) and several weeks later, the company's systems were cracked, bad enough that they alerted the Feds. The cracked box was a system I'd never even had access to, but as soon as the investigators heard about a "disgruntled former employee" they got my address and showed up at my front door. There I was on the front porch, completely innocent of the crime they were investigating... but behind me on my media server inside were a couple dozen movies ripped from Blockbuster DVDs that I wanted to watch one more time before deleting them, and a fair amount of bulk-downloaded porn that (statisticly speaking) probably included some subjects under 18. Fortunately I was able to provide enough circumstantial evidence of my innocence of the cracking incident that they didn't pursue searching my home network, and they left me alone. If they hadn't, I'd eventually be found not guilty of the cracking, but in the meantime I'd lose all of my gear, and I'd still end up on the MPAA's hit list and probably a registered sex offender because the initial - unwarranted and warrantless - accusation got them in the door.

  8. Pr0n by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 4, Funny

    Depending on the amount of pr0n in its harddrive, the outcome could be pretty sticky.

    1. Re:Pr0n by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      Depending on the amount of pr0n in its harddrive, the outcome could be pretty sticky.

      Penalty! Bad joke, two minutes in the box. :-)

    2. Re:Pr0n by Reeses · · Score: 1

      It probably already was.

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  9. Moral of the Story? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hide your shit better. Keep the laptop pristine and use a live cd + usb drive for your nefarious stuff.

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    1. Re:Moral of the Story? by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness most criminals impulsively fail to plan!
      Of course, if the crooks planned they probably wouldn't do most of the criminal stuff.

    2. Re:Moral of the Story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most- but not all.

  10. Nothing to see here, please move along by rhsanborn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Police seized a laptop on the wrong statute, and didn't actually do any investigative work on things for which the state allows someone to seize a laptop. Yes we can have a discussion about whether it's appropriate to be able to seize a laptop for copyright accusations, but this looks like a scare analysis rather than anything actually insightful.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      The judge's ruling is disturbing, since copyright infringement is a civil tort, not a crime.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      LOL. Seems you haven't heard of the very real concept of criminal copyright infringement...

    3. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along by Nigel+Stepp · · Score: 1

      I don't think the above excerpts are a fair presentation of the judge's ruling. Read the whole thing over at EFF and it makes much more sense.

      The ruling spends a lot of time taking the police to task for getting a warrant using probable cause based on previous alleged crimes. The judge explains that those things don't constitute probable cause in this case. I don't think the judge is saying anything about the worthiness of a warrant based on copyright infringement. Rather, if you want to use copyright infringement to get a warrant, you better do so for a crime that has some relation to it.

      The text quoted in the summary is merely pointing out the incongruence. Deriving anything from the counterfactual is not possible in my opinion.

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    4. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, copyright infringement is a crime. 18 U.C.C Â 2319(c)(3) (2008)

    5. Re:Nothing to see here, please move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The judge's ruling is disturbing, since copyright infringement is a civil tort, not a crime.

      Not to mention the "crime" would be uploading, not having the 0's and 1's on your drive.

  11. Those are only for the little people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Police and Government don't have to play by those rules. They are only for you.
    That is why we have a Secretary of the Treasury that is a Tax cheat. That is why police can do no knock searches on the wrong location without going to jail for breaking and entering. The qualified immunity of police has become an unqualified immunity in practice.

    1. Re:Those are only for the little people. by tsm_sf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'll conveniently forget these points the next time a "tough on crime" politician comes up for reelection.

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    2. Re:Those are only for the little people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Just as worrisome as the creeping spread of "immunity" is the militarization of the police force.

      With the proliferation and glorification (within the law enforcement community) of SWAT teams, the switch to military-style weapons and tactics (MP-5s and door-bursting charges), and the us-vs.-them mindset of the modern police officer, is it any wonder that things like Ruby Ridge happen? (Note: I'm not a right-wing nutter--anyone who's read the details of the Ruby Ridge incident has to wonder why the FBI sniper shot an unarmed woman holding a baby. Randy Weaver should certainly have been fair game).

      Far in the past are the days where an officer might try and talk someone into being reasonable--now it's go for the taser, and if that fails, pull a Glock, and escalate right through assault vehicles and machine guns as fast as you possibly can. Long gone are the days when police officers considered themselves members of the community and carried pistols. Gone too is any trust between law abiding citizenry and those tasked with enforcing the law.

    3. Re:Those are only for the little people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they DO have to play by those rules. If they don't, they're guilty of, at minimum, a Federal offense by committing actions under Color of Law.

      You can ONLY legally do many of the things that an LEO does, if you ARE an LEO- AND you have a Warrant. The seizure of the equipment under the warrant, if it was proven
      that the LEOs KNEW the warrant was falsely sworn, would constitute theft of personal property and a violation of the Color of Law statute. It's rather difficult to prove that they
      didn't know better, so it doesn't often get ran up the flagpole- but there are circumstances that leave them open all the same. Odds are decent that this would likely be one of
      them.

    4. Re:Those are only for the little people. by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Innocent until proven guilty. Go get one of them convicted, and they're guilty. Until then, they're innocent.

      Good luck getting one convicted.

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    5. Re:Those are only for the little people. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Not me... "tough on crime" has become a redflag in my book. Very few can manage to be "tough on crime" without also backing at least some policies that trample our Constitutional Rights.

      On the flipside of the Aisle, the politicos who scream the loudest about justice for all are usually the ones most willing to pass nanny laws and yet more entitlements, which infringe our rights as much or more, just in different ways.

      Can't win... I think we need a new game. :(

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  12. Re:Shut the fuck up Bennett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    THIS is flamebait

  13. Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other words: Even if the police didn't really care about the pirated movies and the grade-hacking, it might have helped to make the warrant stick if they had made more of a passing reference to those issues in the motion for a warrant, at least according to the reasoning expressed by the judge.

    I don't get it. Police use their resources at their discretion. I had a friend getting a massive speeding ticket once and in the middle of filling out the ticket, the cop's radio went apeshit. Someone had been shot nearby in DC so the cop just said, "This is your lucky day" and left. Why? Because he had better shit to do! Three times in one month my car was broken into and nothing was stolen but considerable damage was done to my vehicle. I asked cops if there was an option to dust for fingerprints ... what do you think their answer was? I was at a party in college where a bunch of people were smoking five bowls of weed when cops knocked on the door. They were there to tell us to turn the music down. They smelled/saw weed. They told everyone to shut up or go home and that's what we did. Why didn't they book everyone in the room for possession? Probably because they had more important shit to do that night.

    Point being, if you're complaining about your neighbor or roommate engaging in an illegal activity, stick to investigating what the source of the complaint is. His roommate wasn't upset about illegal file sharing, that was just to spite the guy. The cops requested a warrant correctly addressing the only problem anyone was having--the fact that Calixte may have been impersonating someone. Maybe changing grades bothered his roommate, I don't know.

    Let me ask you this, if your neighbor had a problem with your pool parties getting too loud and he called the police and said "Oh yeah, and he also speeds when he drives in our neighborhood and I saw him with fireworks when they're illegal in our state and sometimes he has a bonfire without the notified officials being there and and and and and ..." What would you do in a situation like that if you were the responding officer? Calm the guy down, verify if there is an issue, resolve the issue and tell the guy he needs proof if he wants to make it stick.

    Now what if police implemented a template warrant for computers that had "illegal games, illegal music, illegal movies, etc" on it so that just in case they wanted icing on the cake for whatever they were going after you for, it was there? You know, just list common things. You need to know exactly what you're getting a warrant for otherwise it's an abuse just like the government wiretappings now.

    Your editorial seems to consist more so of "if you really want to screw someone in a case like this, make sure you verify all this extra illegal stuff he's doing." ... or have I missed something?

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    1. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His roommate wasn't upset about illegal file sharing, that was just to spite the guy. The cops requested a warrant correctly addressing the only problem anyone was having--the fact that Calixte may have been impersonating someone.

      That doesn't really explain it. If all the cop cared about was the forging of an e-mail, why did he wait several months before serving the warrant? If the guy is frequently seen with other laptops and computers, how can he even be sure, two to three months later, that there's even any evidence to find?

      Let me tell you what this is really about: sloppy police work + elected judge = illegal warrant.

    2. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by SoupGuru · · Score: 2, Funny

      Three times in one month my car was broken into and nothing was stolen but considerable damage was done to my vehicle. I asked cops if there was an option to dust for fingerprints ... what do you think their answer was?

      That they've got four more detectives working on the case and they're working in shifts? Did the thieves at least leave your Credence?

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    3. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by evilviper · · Score: 1

      The cops requested a warrant correctly addressing the only problem anyone was having--the fact that Calixte may have been impersonating someone.

      Yes, but THAT ISN'T AGAINST THE LAW, so it's not grounds for a warrant, or any other action by the police.

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    4. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by fm6 · · Score: 1

      You should tear up your law degree and demand your five dollars back. Whether impersonation is illegal or not depends entirely on what you do when you're impersonating. I know, because my name is Barrack Obama, and I'm going to have the FBI arrest you if you don't stop writing these stupid posts.

    5. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Whether impersonation is illegal or not depends entirely on what you do when you're impersonating.

      Pure straw-man. I made no such sweeping statement, that's the invention of your own delusional mind.

      Here, the legal experts agree: "even if Calixte had sent the forged e-mail, that did not constitute a crime"

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  14. Annoying fallacy by Captain_Carnage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even downloading movies, which we tend to think of as a more victimless crime, means that for every dollar saved by someone watching a movie for free in their dorm room, the shortfall has to be made up by paying ticket buyers.

    I find this statement to be utterly false. The movie industry releases hundreds of movies per year; some of the movies do hundreds of millions of dollars in business, some do at most a few million dollars, or even less. So how do you define "shortfall" as used above? The movie industry (and apparently the contributor) apparently assume that anyone who downloads a movie illegally would have been willing to pay $10 to see it legally, if downloading it were not an option. If you downloaded 200 movies over a month's time (or even a few months time), that's $2,000 worth of movie tickets... How many people are really willing to spend that much on movie tickets, in a month or even a few months? How many college students watching illegally downloaded movies in their dorm room have $2,000 a month/semester/whatever to spend on movie tickets? Or for that matter, time to watch them? The idea that every illegally downloaded movie represents a shortfall to the movie industry is absolutely absurd.

    1. Re:Annoying fallacy by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The movie industry (and apparently the contributor) apparently assume that anyone who downloads a movie illegally would have been willing to pay $10 to see it legally, if downloading it were not an option.

      And most slashdotters assume anyone who downloads a movie illegally wouldn't have paid for the ticket if it had not been available, so no loss.

      Obviously, both sides are wrong.

    2. Re:Annoying fallacy by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As with most things, the truth lies in the middle. Does every downloaded movie immediately equate to lost revenue? No, it does not. But some downloaded movies do.

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    3. Re:Annoying fallacy by Arkham · · Score: 1

      I got a $50 itunes gift card for Christmas. I have $49 left on it in June. Why? Because there hasn't been a single album that has come out that I didn't want to own the whole thing (and thus bought the CD), and there's not been a good movie out of the theater released onto DVD this year.

      What the hell out there is worth stealing, when I can't even find something worth getting legally?

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    4. Re:Annoying fallacy by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      And to be fully fair, some downloaded movies result in the same person seeing the movie in the theater ("It was so good I had to see it on a big screen.") or buying the DVD ("I never would have paid to see that based on the previews, but after downloading it I fell in love and bought the DVD for the extras.").

      No, neither of those are tremendously likely, but just like some downloaded movies cost revenue and some downloaded movies have no effect on revenue, some downloaded movies add revenue.

      I think the third category is much larger for music, because I think people are more likely to sample free music then want to buy it, rather than sample free films then want to buy them for later.

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    5. Re:Annoying fallacy by chrylis · · Score: 1

      And on the other hand, some downloaded movies immediately equate to increased revenue by providing publicity and making people want to watch in the theaters; compare the studies that have found that P2P music downloaders buy more CDs and official music downloads.

      Seems to me that the best we can do is to say that we don't know but that it's probably about a wash.

    6. Re:Annoying fallacy by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      You've hit on the biggest underlying problem with copyrighting art.

      You see, beauty, and pleasure are subjective. Therefore, a movie/song/painting/performance that one person may enjoy, I may find complete shit. When you produce a widget who's value to the consumer is subjective and does not follow normal economics, you shouldn't be allowed to claim your widget has any value at all. At that point it's your opinion that your widget has a monetary value. If anything, the actual value would be in a strict sense, your man hours spent in production along with the cost of the raw materials... As anything above and beyond that, as I said, is subjective.

      I produced a music album; I think it's worth $10,000,000USD; I think if people steal copies of it I should sue for unconstitutional damages because I lost $10,000,000. Sound familiar?

      Art is not a normal commodity, it does not have an intrinsic value. The price of art is subjectively assigned only by people that value it. Ie, if I pirate 1 million copies of THE WORST selling, worst rated, album, did the distributor really lose 1,000,000 * retail price?

      This is exactly why pirating digital art doesn't hurt anyone. Period. Software is a completely different story...

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    7. Re:Annoying fallacy by schon · · Score: 1

      Thank you!

      I stopped reading at that point, as it the entire suggestion that paying ticket holders get charged more is absolutely ludicrous.

      Assume that the estimate of 1 million downloads of "Wolverine" are accurate. Now, I saw it in the theatre. The ticket price was exactly the same as all of the other movies opening this summer. There was no "piracy surcharge" or anything else like that, so the suggestion that theatre goers make up some sort of "shortfall" is provably false.

    8. Re:Annoying fallacy by woopate · · Score: 1

      As parent said, you can't define what is lost to pirates, because some pirates wouldn't have purchased it in any case, and some pay for it AND pirate it, simply so that they have a copy of it more quickly and more conveniently than commuting to a store, purchasing, then commuting home. Not everybody has time, and, in essence, time shift their purchases with piracy.

    9. Re:Annoying fallacy by midicase · · Score: 1

      So how do you define "shortfall" as used above?.

      Using the same method the White House uses to estimate "saved jobs"?

    10. Re:Annoying fallacy by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why pirating digital art doesn't hurt anyone. Period. Software is a completely different story...

      Why? Should be a similar story, at least, shouldn't it? The value of the software is in what it does for me. If my business saves 2 minutes a week because of your software, then based on the salary of the employee whose time is being saved, we'd end up with a licencing fee of about $17/year based on an hourly wage of $10. That's the value I've assigned your software. What value it has to you could be very different. Your software doesn't have an intrinsic value either.

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    11. Re:Annoying fallacy by DelShalDar · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, to an extent, that software is a different story, it's more just the characters getting shiny new names and the plot adds a twist or two.

      Ultimately, software is just like a novel/song/movie/picture in that it's a creative work, and the only real thing that can be expected for the creator's compensation is the equipment cost to build the software and the work hours spent to put the whole thing together. As long as those costs get paid for by those wanting to use the app, there's really no difference between it and any other form of creative work, with the only major twist being the non-entertainment aspects of the software market. Even then, unless you find a group of developers that get paid based primarily on the sales of the software they created (or helped create), you're not actually paying the creators for their creativity beyond the time spent on their part in the whole thing. Just look at the software industry and at how many developers and other creative types are little more than salaried workers that don't get paid more when their creative efforts significantly increase sales or profits.

      Don't get me wrong, I support any creative person's desire to earn a living off of their creativity and ideas alone, but it's only recently in the grand history of the world that anyone has actually come to expect to make money off of nothing more than an idea or concept. Before that it was all in the ideas that could be embedded into or onto physical objects.

      For any non-physical item that strongly relies on some creative component, be it artwork, music, literature, or software, the same concepts should be brought into play, and they should all be treated equally. They are all works that are created, and all are primarily groupings of non-physical elements that differ from each item to the next solely by those non-physical attributes. And no, I won't count groupings of colored dots displayed on a general-purpose display to constitute a physical element -- I count the screen itself as such, but not the image displayed when using it.

      The big question that should be asked is whether or not the actual creators are paid when money is spent on the finished product, and how much of it goes to people who had little to nothing to do with the creation itself. The more that goes to those non-creative types, the more they tend to demand, and the less they're willing to give up to the creators. This is why a lot of people want to feel insulted when a movie or song or whatnot has its copyright infringed. It's not because they care about the creators, but that they want their cut of someone else's work, and they're willing to fight for that scrap of something substantial that they don't need to work for. That, or they're pissed off because they spent money on something other people have figured out how to get without needing to pay for it and didn't share... it's probably more of the latter than the former, or they're a shill.

      Ultimately, do I want to make money solely based on my creative thoughts? Yes. Do I also want to be able to make money simply by breathing? Sure! There's no reason not to so long as someone is willing to pay money for it. Now, do I expect to make money solely based on my creative thoughts? No. That would be stupid. Do I have the right to make money off of nothing more than my creative thinking? No. Do I have the right to try making money off of nothing more than my creative thinking? Sure, just as I have the right to try to turn used kitty litter into gold using nothing more than an old sock and a dirty toothbrush. I can't expect to be able to actually do it, and it's likely to smell bad, and people will likely be less willing to stand near me due to the lingering odor, but I can still try for the kitty litter to gold conversion. Similarly, creative people can still try for the post-creativity income on their work.

    12. Re:Annoying fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO U

    13. Re:Annoying fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok so: i download movies if i want to see them. when i want to go to the movies, i pick the best one of the available options.

      i have never gone to the movies because i wanted to see a movie (this may change shortly depending on whether the girl i'm crushing on wants to go see the movie i want to see...)

  15. Maybe the police did not care by AtomicJake · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks to me as a private war between roommates, which went out of control and then to the police. Interesting that the police cared enough to seize one computer, but probably just to calm down this war a bit. Why should they actually care too much about the other stuff? And what interest may the police have to keep the laptop for a longer time?

    1. Re:Maybe the police did not care by Nidi62 · · Score: 1, Funny

      "And what interest may the police have to keep the laptop for a longer time?" They wanted to copy the movies for themselves?

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    2. Re:Maybe the police did not care by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "And what interest may the police have to keep the laptop for a longer time?"

      They haven't finished watching the movies/porn yet? "Awwww, Your Honor, can't we keep this computer for just another week? I forgot how good "Debby does Dallas" was, and with my schedule, I won't be able to watch it til the weekend!"

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  16. Speaking of evidence... by Serenissima · · Score: 1

    I wonder what evidence they could have found about hacking into the school's computers to change grades. Would he be stupid enough to keep a log of all IP numbers he connected to so there would be a nice trail to follow right to the school's sever? If someone hacked a server, wouldn't you need to look at that server to find evidence that there was a connection with a particular person/IP number?

    It seems ridiculous to the point of absurdity that they even put that in the warrant in the first place.

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    Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. But light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
    1. Re:Speaking of evidence... by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what evidence they could have found about hacking into the school's computers to change grades. Would he be stupid enough to keep a log of all IP numbers he connected to so there would be a nice trail to follow right to the school's sever? If someone hacked a server, wouldn't you need to look at that server to find evidence that there was a connection with a particular person/IP number? It seems ridiculous to the point of absurdity that they even put that in the warrant in the first place.

      You make it sound as if address tracking was the only possible evidence that could be found that would prove this type of hacking. What if the school's grade changing program had a simple web based interface, and that website was conveniently bookmarked in this guy's browser. And then let's say the police found some type of program that was commonly used to crack various passwords? Maybe this guy was stupid enough to have a long string of various emails saved from the past few months that discuss his grade changing ability? Pick two out of the above three, and you probably have enough proof to convince the university to take a closer look at their own server. If something is found, then THAT would be the proof that neatly ties up all the rest of the circumstantial evidence.

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  17. Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can evidence illegally seized in this alleged criminal case be used in a civil case? Can MP/RIAA legal thugs use the content of this ruling as basis to sue this student for copyright infringement?

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    1. Re:Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure illegally seized evidence can be used in civil cases. I'm pretty sure civil cases have a much higher "conviction rate" than criminal cases precisely because, in general, there is a much lower standard to meet. This applies to the final finding as well as how to determine if some issue or item is admissible as evidence. That's why you see things like OJ Simpson getting acquitted of murder but losing millions of dollars in the civil suit.

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      Three days from now?? Thats tomorrow!! ~Peter Griffin
    2. Re:Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Eh, judges have some discretion as to whether to admit illegally obtained evidence. And OJ might have lost the civil suit simply because civil suits have a lower burden of proof you have to show to win (preponderance of the evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.)

    3. Re:Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      Right, I agree with what you are saying, but at the same time, if i remember correctly, there was quite a bit of testimony and physical evidence that was allowed in the civil suite that was barred from the criminal case. All that evidence probably had a role to play in the different verdict as well.

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    4. Re:Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I don't see why not. You don't collect evidence the same way in a civil suit, after all. You go through a period of "discovery" and whatnot, where you gather evidence. What may have been illegally-obtained evidence in a criminal case could be easily discovered evidence in a civil case. Of course, IANAL.

    5. Re:Can illegally obtained evidence be used ? by cyber-dragon.net · · Score: 1

      This is going to vary from country to country and their standards for evidence.

      Fairly sure in the US if it was found illegally it falls under "Fruit of the poisonous tree" laws and can't be used, civil or criminal. There are some grey areas for licensed PIs where they seem to be able to do things cops can't but I am not sure on the details of that one. It would be the equivalent of breaking into someone's house and finding a stolen painting vs police knocking on the door and seeing it hanging there from the doorway. One is legal, one is not.

      Now you could break in, see it, report it and have the police come look in exchange for immunity on the break-in charge :) Though why you would want to do that is beyond me.

  18. A better moral... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't do nefarious stuff.

    It is also probably worth mentioning that this might simply be a case of Sore Butt Syndrome.

    The roommate obviously had plenty of motive to implicate and/or frame his roommate, because his roommate had framed him as having come out as a homosexual. Not to mention, he had plenty of time to access his roommate's computer to, perhaps, hack the school grade system and download illegal material. Or, he might not have bothered, just tormenting the guy with a false arrest was enough to make him feel better.

    To summarize, both of these guys are a couple of winners.

  19. Re:Shut the fuck up Bennett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    THIS is flamebait

    This is Spartaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  20. Re:Shut the fuck up Bennett by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

    At least the mods are listening for once.

  21. Re:Pr0n ...That could could make it an... by davidsyes · · Score: 3, Funny

    Open and shut case. Stiff punishment. No rebuttals.

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    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  22. I'm confused: he was hacking! by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why is it that no one is paying attention to the fact that he was breaking into the school computer system and changing grades? Should that not have been the police's main concern? Isn't that a significantly bigger crime than the others? Shouldn't the school have been interested in this? "Hello Police, I saw this guy loitering in front of the supermarket. Oh, and he was also killing dozens of people with a machine gun." "Thank you sir, we'll get right on that loitering thing."

    1. Re:I'm confused: he was hacking! by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Because there, apparently, wasn't any evidence (other than the roommate's apparent repetition of rumors) that he had been changing grades.

      Say we start spreading rumors on the internet that MobyDisk has been changing grades on his school's computer system. Let's say your roommate (or best friend, girlfriend, teacher, whoever) hears the rumor, believes it, tells other people, and, of course, connects your screen name with your real name.

      Do you want the police knocking on your door for this?

    2. Re:I'm confused: he was hacking! by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that no one is paying attention to the fact that he was breaking into the school computer system and changing grades? Should that not have been the police's main concern? Isn't that a significantly bigger crime than the others? Shouldn't the school have been interested in this? "Hello Police, I saw this guy loitering in front of the supermarket. Oh, and he was also killing dozens of people with a machine gun." "Thank you sir, we'll get right on that loitering thing."

      You didn't actually read this properly weeks ago when it came up the first time. His roommate told the police "I saw him doing this stuff". That was it. No details whatsoever. He didn't even tell them _where_ he allegedly saw him breaking the the school computer. And now comes the judge with a sharp mind and says: Wait a second, you haven't even got an idea where this happened? So you haven't got any idea whether he used a computer in one of the school labs, or his own laptop? Well, in that case, you can't seize his laptop (or any of the computers at his home), because you don't have the foggiest idea whether there is the slightest bit of evidence on any of the computers at his home that could you help solving this crime - if it ever happened.

  23. Re:Shut the fuck up Bennett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red sauce on pasta?

  24. hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

    How about Bennett stops trying to lecture me on the law, and I promise not to lecture him on programming? Why has he become slashdot's legal analyst?

    1. Re:hmmm by maxume · · Score: 1

      I remain quite certain that he is a comedian.

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    2. Re:hmmm by Nigel+Stepp · · Score: 1

      No kidding, this is a terrible (possibly disingenuous) analysis of the ruling. Guaranteed to get people on slashdot talking though.

      Please, everyone read the whole thing.

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    3. Re:hmmm by nomadic · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with a layman giving his opinion of legal rulings. I just don't know why slashdot gives him a forum for it, why doesn't Haselton just go to law school if he's that interested?

  25. How to make a laptop sick? by PerlDave · · Score: 2, Funny

    Install Windows.

  26. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion YES! by davidsyes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They sure do.

    "Three times in one month my car was broken into and nothing was stolen but considerable damage was done to my vehicle. I asked cops if there was an option to dust for fingerprints ... what do you think their answer was? "

    Once, my car's transmission went out. Acura had to order a replacement, but it would have been more expensive to install a new one from the factory, so they offered a rebuilt transmission, one from Japan. It would take a while, so my car was down, in the lot maybe 2 weeks or almost a month (can't recall exactly, as this was ~summer 1992). Multiple ensuing issues kept my car in the dealer's hands and i was getting antsy. I thought they were punishing me for hounding them, and my car ended up there longer.

    Then, after they got all the parts replaced, they gave me a good news/bad news call. The parts were installed, the car runs great, but it's not ready. Why? Someone stole one of the wheels (i had 4 aluminum allow wheels; can't recall the tires being new, though), stole the radio, and damaged something else i can't remember.

    My company president was an attorney, and told me it was bullshit, that they were responsible. Told me to press on. Acura told me that that i had signed a waiver making holding them harmless and not at fault. Then, i was livid. Shortly, the police called and told me the had a case involving my car, that it was stripped of some parts, but there were not broken windows or locks. Sounded like an inside job. I began to wonder where this was going. Was *i* being implicated? How? I don't have access to their lot, and as far as i know, they had lot security in form of doors, locks, cameras, a human, and i believe a sentry dog.

    I think I asked the calling officer to dust for prints. He said they did, and that the case was suspicious. Being ex-Navy, my prints would be available to DOD and certain authorities, but i don't know if Mountain View PD would have access to them. Anyway, i was personally in the clear. The conversation ended on whether or not i was going to file a report, and that i might need one for insurance and so on. Oh, and that this particular dealership had had MULTIPLE break-ins and car parts thefts. No mention of inventory being stolen. So, it sounded like one or more persons were after specific, hard-to-order/obtain parts. So, why not take the whole car and strip it? 1989 Integra models would have sold more for parts than as a whole assembly.

    I called the dealer. They tried to fall back on the disclaimer/release form. I had already had a refreshed conversation with my lawyer/boss, and i phrased my stern verbal warning to the dealership manager. Replace my parts, at no cost to me, or else i'd disclose their issues.

    Another good news/bad news call. They had gotten the wheel from a central valley dealership, but it was the wrong side. They would not be able to use it because installing it in the wrong direction would cause "blue rotor", which i'd never heard of. Getting the right wheel would take another week or so. When the ordeal was over, i think i never used nor bought parts from that dealership again. Later, they relocated to a different, more accessible location (from a cul-de-sac, IIRC, to the main drag) during Mountain View's auto row remodeling spree.

    Fortunately, the police seemed to already have an ongoing fraud investigation that saved MY ass shitloads of money. It seems i was at the nexus of being a pain in the ass to the dealer, my car had parts SOMEbody wanted, and there was a fraud activity going on. Fate/karma/good luck/something saved my ass. People here say the worst PD's to be on the wrong side of in the bay area are Campbell, Mountain View, Milpitas, and Daly City. Mountain View PD came to my rescue because somebody was up to no good. My car was probably the one that finally tipped the scales on likely ongoing fraud. Thankfully, fingerprints on the car didn't implicate me, and the police figured i didn't reasonably have access to commit such acts on my own car and was not involved but was yet another victim.

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    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  27. Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by flajann · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yep. This is one more example of why we all should make strong and daily use of encryption. Of course, the next thing they'll try is "Use of Encryption is Suspicious!"

    Well, they can prance all they wanna. They can't do diddly unless they get the passphrase from you. But, of course, you do recall how forgetful you are? Or did you forget! :-)

    1. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey can't do diddly unless they get the passphrase from you. But, of course, you do recall how forgetful you are? Or did you forget! :-)

      Can't do anything?

      Mr. Flajann,

      I regret to inform you that you are required to provide any and all passwords to law enforcement officers upon request, and that forgetting a passphrase is in violation of Section 3, Paragraph 6 of the "Keep our Kids Safe from Internet Predators Act." The minimum sentence is 5 years imprisonment. In the future, I suggest you not use encryption if you want to avoid jail time.

      Ignorance of the password is not an excuse.

      Reginald T. Wheeble, Internet Cop

    2. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by Starvingboy · · Score: 1

      Obligatory XCKD http://xkcd.com/538/

    3. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way you talk is annoying as hell. You should've been the 'Don't tase me bro' guy

    4. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by Arkham · · Score: 1

      Encryption doesn't protect you from the legal system. It may physically keep them out, but once a judge orders you to provide the password and you refuse, you get to go to jail until you comply.

      --
      - Vincit qui patitur.
    5. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by flajann · · Score: 1
      Ha!

      Of course, if you get whacked too hard, you'll forget far more than just the passphrase. :-)

    6. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by flajann · · Score: 1

      Encryption doesn't protect you from the legal system. It may physically keep them out, but once a judge orders you to provide the password and you refuse, you get to go to jail until you comply.

      Well, how long can they keep you there? It's no joke -- I actually HAVE forgotten the passphrases to a couple of my encrypted drives, PGP-encrypted files, and the like.

      So I guess they'll have to jail me for life then, because I can't recall them for the life of me.

      Of course, my other ruse is to simply say the file is just a series of random bits I use for entropy. And actually have such files on the drive for that very reason.

      Ah, but everyone forgets that, at least in the US, there is constitutional protections against self-incrimination. Not that the government follows the Constitution anymore, but that's another issue.

      So this is where I'd keep mouth shut and let lawyer do all the talking. Learn from Reiser's idiot mistake for doing an even more idiotic thing. Murder is so 20th-century. Far worse than murder is to allow the person to live and face her own miserable life. Perfectly legal, and not much to plan. And it works. But I digress...

    7. Re:Encrypt, encrypt!!!! by jabelli · · Score: 1

      KOKSFIPA? A bill with that name would never make it through committee.

  28. I don't understand this by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    IANAL, which may be painfully obvious to those who are.

    I thought that the idea of a search warrant is that the police submit evidence of a crime to a judge, and while the evidence doesn't have to be enough to convict it does have to meet a certain level of credibility.

    This means, that to get a warrant to search a laptop based on copied movies, I'd think there'd have to be at least a little evidence of a crime, which would presumably be felony infringement (which is significantly more than having one unauthorized copy of a movie) and there would have to be some evidence, so one person seeing one movie on my laptop that wasn't legally available on DVD wouldn't hit the criterion. Seeing one movie on my laptop that was available on DVD would indicate nothing at all, of course, since there's no reason to think it wasn' t there legally.

    Changing grades is presumably a crime in most states, but the police would have to have something beyond speculation. Presumably, also, the best means of investigation would be to check computer records against paper ones, and talk to the teachers of the classes in question.

    That means that I don't understand why I should be afraid of anything based on this. So, search warrants are sometimes erroneously issued, as this one was, but that's nothing new. The police tried to make a claim based on what they might have been after, and the court ruled they hadn't gotten enough information, as in hadn't investigated enough, to meet search warrant requirements. If the police investigate, they'll have to come up with evidence. I don't see a judge issuing a search warrant without some sound evidence, and I don't think "we can't get the evidence one way or another" is going to qualify.

    So, it looks to me like this is just hype.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    1. Re:I don't understand this by TechForensics · · Score: 1

      IAAL but not a specialist in search-and-seizure. Nonetheless I think your post asks the right questions and makes the right points. The Constitution guarantees Americans freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. Encyclopedias-full of cases have refined and honed this principle. We are similarly guaranteed freedom from the taking of our effects and papers except upon the issuance of a warrant based on probable cause. Probable cause also has an encyclopedia of cases saying what is and what isn't. The underlying idea is that unless there is credible evidence (another encyclopedia) of the commission of a crime, the sanctity of our persons and papers is assured to us. Credible evidence takes more than one prong of credibility: typically, as in the case of a search warrant, it takes two. For instance, a tip from an informant that has proven trustworthy in the past AND some corroborating evidence. (1. They're dealing drugs in that house, says the informant (who has pointed out drug dealers correctly before). 2. People come and go for short visits at all hours of the night and sometimes open a packet and snort on the doorstep on their way out. Under less innuendo than these two points, you can't be rousted.) You can't be rousted on the malicious and phony say-so of a neighbor, nor on the say-so of an informant who knows and dislikes you, without additional advance evidence. A warrant must state with specificity what is sought and what the basis for suspecting its presence. Police CANNOT, even with a warrant, conduct a "fishing expedition" to find evidence of some other crime (an exception being, obviously, if you pull out a gun and threaten them, which is a crime in itself).

      This case seeks to preserve the principle of probable cause. If there was none for any of the items found on the laptop, it was correctly decided. Could another, better investigation with a better warrant have successfully seized and kept the laptop? Sure; for instance, if the school had complained about unlawful access to its computer system and identified the location of the IP. Now, we know that's not enough, and that's why the second prong (the roommate's statement that the defendant had hacked grades) would be enough for a bulletproof warrant. I don't think any judge would throw out the laptop's seizure given those corroborative points.

      This article is really not news except to say the exclusionary rule is still alive and well and protecting you from the abuses of a police state.

      --
      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
    2. Re:I don't understand this by Reziac · · Score: 1

      'You can't be rousted on the malicious and phony say-so of a neighbor, nor on the say-so of an informant who knows and dislikes you, without additional advance evidence. A warrant must state with specificity what is sought and what the basis for suspecting its presence. Police CANNOT, even with a warrant, conduct a "fishing expedition" to find evidence of some other crime....'

      Which is very interesting in light of the fact that this is exactly how Animal Control now operates in most locales -- in fact in Los Angeles County their policy REQUIRES that they investigate and COUNT AS EVIDENCE *ANY* complaint, even those KNOWN to be spurious. In at least two cases, this has been used by a malicious neighbour to put legitimate established boarding kennels out of business. In numerous other cases across the country, it has been used to seize *salable* animals from legit breeders (which then become asset-forfeiture style profits for the department, without a hint of due process).

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    3. Re:I don't understand this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ancestor posts explain, I suppose, why many people came to consider kdawson a hypemongering fraud. I wasn't sure why until now, when a careful reading of his "analysis" (completely uninformed speculation) led me to look for a nice debunking from someone who actually bothered to learn what "probable cause" is.

  29. Sign, sign!!!! by Burz · · Score: 1

    Yes, all the correspondence you send via email could be cryptographically signed, quite possibly preventing a forgery attempt (or keeping it from being taken seriously by anyone).

  30. Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "[...] means that for every dollar saved by someone watching a movie for free in their dorm room, the shortfall has to be made up by paying ticket buyers."

    Because of course the student would have spent 12 days and $2000 in the theater, if he hadn't downloaded those "200+ movies".

  31. Re:Fuck you Linus you destroyed my computer by mike9989 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I know I shouldn't reply, but does anybody have copies of these trolls? Does anybody do any research into them? It seems to me that they are very focused around a few thing that are terribly out of date. Fascinating, though as a view of how the troll sees the world. It might be fun to set up some kind of troll museum!

  32. Re:Fuck you Linus you destroyed my computer by kazagistar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    What you see IS the copies. Someone had a hilariously stupid troll in the past, some people thought it was worth keeping for the lols, and keep reposting them. The ones you see the most are the most absurd, yet not absurd enough, so people still respond to them as if they were serious.

  33. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion YES! by tsstahl · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, fingerprints on the car didn't implicate me

    It is your car. Your finger prints should be all over it with impunity. Heck, you could use your finger to write "I DID IT" in the dirty wheel well and they would have nothing on you.

    In essence, you got police help because you were victim X of Y, not simply victim 1. I know you said that, but this is the Cliff's Notes version.

  34. That's 11 hours a day by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 1

    Assuming all movies are 100 minutes long, and you sleep 8 hours a night, then 200 movies means you're spending about 70% of your awake time, or over 11 hours a day, watching movies.

    But yes, I agree with your basic point; many of the people who pirate the movie and watch it are likely to simply not watch the movie if the option of piracy is removed. Claiming people that don't watch the movie represent some kind of loss is a little strange.

  35. Where's the crime? by Trerro · · Score: 1

    IANAL, but I really don't see any crime here.

    Forging an email, as long as it wasn't to sign a contract or otherwise perform a legal action, isn't illegal anymore than a prank phone call is. Repeatedly pretending to be the guy and trying to actually start a gay relationship through email would probably classify as harassment, but I highly doubt a single email would.

    Downloading pirated stuff isn't illegal either unless you're selling the material. (The company that made the material can sue for infringement, but that's a civil matter, and should not involve the police at any time.)

    Changing grades is incredibly stupid, and grounds for being immediately kicked out of school with all credits earned voided, but I'm pretty sure it's not a crime. (Forging a degree IS a crime, so they could maybe argue that changing grades IS effectively forging a degree, but I'm not sure if that would hold up in court.)

    So, how exactly was a search warrant issued when not a single crime was committed?

    1. Re:Where's the crime? by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

      Faking an email isn't a crime, and the pirating is a copyright infringement which isn't actionable by the cops unless the owner protests. However hacking in and changing grades is a crime called computer trespass.

  36. Fruit of the poison tree by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    So the testimony of somebody who is already extremely pissed off at you for "outing" him online should be believed with regard to other "crimes" committed with your computer? Seems to me his roommate had every reason to lie.

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  37. Who needs a hero? by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

    We have "Miranda Warnings" due to a case involving an armed robber/kidnapper/rapist named Miranda, certainly no civil liberties hero.

    So if we get this covered because of Calixte being a jackass, that is ok by me, we still win without making him a hero

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    Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
    1. Re:Who needs a hero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is he an ass? The kid said he didn't do it. As to whether or not, he knows who did it. That's a whole 'nother question.

  38. who is that Cowardon guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahh, it's my. My bad :(

  39. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion YES! by BarefootClown · · Score: 1

    "Blue rotor syndrome:" one part blew that way, the other part blew the other way.

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    "Make it ten--I am only a poor corrupt official."
    --Captain Louis Renault (Claude Rains), Casablanca

  40. Re:Speaking of the lazinaess of cops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they were really investigating the grade changing, all they had to do was contact the profs to compare their own records/recollections of the grades to what was in the system.

    This was obviously a fishing expediton.

  41. Calling someone "Gay" is a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know how it works in Mass., the other 15 states where I've lived, boys call other boys "gay", "fagots" and "queer" all the time. It isn't usually a bonding experience either.

    So, I could have sued someone every time I was called gay? Crap! I'd be rich!
    OTOH, I would have been sued 2x more for all the times I called them fagots back.

    In college, I was in a fraternity that had an openly gay president. The fraternity wasn't gay, we liked everyone. I was approached by someone who was gay to uncover whether I was interested or not. "No thanks" and that was the end of it. For the next 20+ years, these have been some of my best friends in the world.

    I'm in my 40s, single, fit, and a nice dresser and no, I'm not gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  42. Yet Another Reason for Full Disk Encryption. by pushf+popf · · Score: 1

    IAANAL (I Am Also Not a Lawyer)

    As long as the Bill of Rights is still in effect, they can't compel the passphrase, and even if it's crackable by No Such Agency, they would never confirm they had the capability by wasting it on such a meaningless charge.

    A properly encrypted laptop is just a really cool-looking battery-operated space heater.

  43. Re:Police Use Resources at Their Discretion YES! by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Well, yeh, of course my prints were on the inside of the car, and any on the outside were old, compared to those all over the hood, doors, wheel area, and more from moving the car around. So, i think even if i were only victim one, the amount of time they had my car on their so-called secure/locked lot, their prints were the latest.

    But, it's amazing how many dealers and repair shops will park people's cars on open lots and on the street and make people sign release forms in order to start work. All the money some dealerships make you'd think they'd have perimeter security. Some, maybe many, do, in order to preserve customer business and display good will/concern. The ones that don't are asking to be put out of business, or at least deserve to be put out of business -- at least if their quietly know they've been the subject of break-ins or fraud but never install or hire a deterrent to such costly crimes.

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    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  44. downloading movies isn't illegal by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    They could have tried to stick him with that, but there are really no charges which would have stuck.

    Downloading is simply not illegal. It cannot be. You're not infringing upon anyone's copyright.

    The person who put whatever content online in the first place is doing something "illegal"

    copyright infringement isn't meant to be illegal persay, it's meant to discourage counterfeiting.

    --
    They're using their grammar skills there.
  45. Re:Fuck you Linus you destroyed my computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I ever find you, you piece of shit, I will pummel you within an inch of your life with magic missiles until you beg for mercy. Perhaps I will cast chromatic spray for the coup de grace. I will have you know that I am much more powerful than a lowly level 5 dwarf. Huzzah!

  46. Did he really do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The affidavit says that the computer name is something he might have used, but nowhere says that he actually had anything to do with the computer. They give two different MAC addresses. One for the laptop that sent the e-mail and one for his computer. Last I checked, he only owned one computer. Anyone else thinks this sounds fishy?