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First Internet-Connected Pacemaker Goes Live

The Register is reporting that a New York woman has become the first person to have her pacemaker wirelessly connected to the internet for full-time monitoring. "The device contains a radio transmitter which connects to receiving equipment in New Yorker Carol Kasyjanski's home, using a very low-power signal around 400MHz, to report on the condition of her heart. Any problems are instantly reported to the doctor, and regular checkups can be done by remotely interrogating the home-based equipment — the pacemaker itself doesn't have an IP address, fun as that would be."

158 comments

  1. Good thing there's no IP by sadness203 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what a DDoS would do to it ...

    1. Re:Good thing there's no IP by sdo1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      >I wonder what a DDoS would do to it ...

      Blue face of death?

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    2. Re:Good thing there's no IP by sadness203 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft have already patented that, probably.

    3. Re:Good thing there's no IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Brings a whole new meaning to Ping of Death.

    4. Re:Good thing there's no IP by slack_justyb · · Score: 1

      Blue face of death?

      Is that what's up with these guys?
      If so, I fail to see this as news.

    5. Re:Good thing there's no IP by davester666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it have a web site? Is there a web page with a button you need to push to make the guys heart beat?

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    6. Re:Good thing there's no IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I clicked the story link, I was expecting a laugh, but you have exceeded my expectations :)

    7. Re:Good thing there's no IP by bulldog060 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what DHS(or CIA, NSA, etc) would do to it...

    8. Re:Good thing there's no IP by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking, but this thing is only acting as a data feed to a computer. It has no receiver. It can't be controlled remotely or interacted with at all. The worst that would happen is the computer might crash and stop providing data to the medical center.

    9. Re:Good thing there's no IP by BlueKitties · · Score: 1

      ... Kardial Panic?

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    10. Re:Good thing there's no IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is not the first... perhaps first with active "real time" internet connection,

      but my wife's grandfather has a pace maker that has RF connection to base station (in his bedroom) that uses either cellular or satellite (have not examined it) to connect up to the manufacturer in Germany. It does it once a day to update the doctor (through the manufacturer), so it is not 24/7 "realtime." Not 100% sure if it goes over the internet or if they have their own network (that isnt utilizing the internet for transmission).

    11. Re:Good thing there's no IP by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

      Forget DDoS, what about spamming with all of those male enhancement pharmaceutical ads.

    12. Re:Good thing there's no IP by FenwayFrank · · Score: 1

      And "Time To Live"

    13. Re:Good thing there's no IP by von_rick · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes. It comes with a 3 day trial subscription. Then you have to upgrade to premium membership to keep it beating.

      Tech support calls are usually routed to organ donor hotline.

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    14. Re:Good thing there's no IP by j24 · · Score: 1

      There's a radio, probably a MAC layer and some software. What is the problem with an IP address?

  2. no IP address? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Crap! It doesn't have an IP address. There go my plans to launch a DDOS attack on it.

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    1. Re:no IP address? by roseblood · · Score: 5, Funny

      Recipient of said device breathes a sigh of relief when he discovers his heart won't be slashdotted.

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    2. Re:no IP address? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't have a receiver anyway. It's just a radio transmitter.

    3. Re:no IP address? by Haxzaw · · Score: 1

      No Slashdot effect either.

    4. Re:no IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it does have a MAC address, right?

    5. Re:no IP address? by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      "he" is a woman.

    6. Re:no IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, first Internet Pacemaker was installed in an Intersexual! That almost makes sense!

    7. Re:no IP address? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      But how do we know that just by reading the subject line?

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    8. Re:no IP address? by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      doesn't it have to have an IP to be internet connected, if its pacemaker->external montior->internet then the monitor must have an ip anyway!

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    9. Re:no IP address? by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if somebody can interfere with the reporting (through the device it transmits to) they could report a normal condition when a the pacemaker is really having a malfunction, or a full battery when it's really bordering on empty. It's a bad bad idea.

    10. Re:no IP address? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Before someone goes "but how is that worse than not having the device":

      It's worse for the same reasons why bad security is worse than no security: A false sense of security. Without, you don't know whether the person is fine. When you don't hear from her and you're worried because she was supposed to call or show up, you call and see if she's ok. With the device, you check the device, read that it's fine and trust that reading.

      If it's treated like an additional layer of security instead of a substitute, it's fine. It's likely, though, that this will eventually replace other means of checking on the patient because it's simply more cost efficient to have a computer monitor the patient's wellbeing instead of having a person do it.

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    11. Re:no IP address? by rant64 · · Score: 1

      But how do we know that just by reading the subject line?

      You don't. Parent must have read the Summary. Even worse, he might have read The Article.

    12. Re:no IP address? by rant64 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have a receiver anyway. It's just a radio transmitter.

      I don't care. Does it run Linux?

      And does it have a private key?

    13. Re:no IP address? by pacinpm · · Score: 1

      It can't have an IP address. Imagine what Three Strikes Rule would do to the owner of such device.

  3. I hope that's a one way connection by basementman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Otherwise that lady is going to be in for quite the surprise when the pacemaker starts looking at youporn.

    1. Re:I hope that's a one way connection by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or starts downloading child porn. If cats can do it...

    2. Re:I hope that's a one way connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the article (yeah, who ever reads those?!), it can be remotely accessed. Hope they used some pretty damn tough encryption... having her heart beat to the rhythm of a few different death metal songs might make her think twice about getting an internet-enabled pacemaker.

    3. Re:I hope that's a one way connection by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      I swear, my pacemaker started downloading kitty porn! It wasn't me!

    4. Re:I hope that's a one way connection by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      >> I swear, my pacemaker started downloading kitty porn! It wasn't me!

      While phonetically similar, I doubt that has been the subject of recent prosecution.

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    5. Re:I hope that's a one way connection by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got the lolcat caption all ready here, but what picture for the background?

      I can haz cheezburgers. Eat lotz and lotz of greezy cheezeburgers for years and years. Then I needz uh internet connected pacemakerz.

      Sorry for the lolcat, but I had to do it.

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  4. First Person with Internet-Connected Pacemaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goes Dead. DDOS (Distributed Death of Someone) suspected.

  5. Yes, but... by Haxzaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it run Linux?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by isama · · Score: 1

      No, but it does run Netbsd.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it run Linux?

      It does. When she sleeps, it downloads updates and reboots when she takes a shit.

      On rare occasions when there's a kernel panic, she'll stop and and stand still while her eyes glaze over until the system reboots.

      They switched to Linux when the windows version kept crashing and killing folks: the blue person of death. When the device moved to Vista, they had to open some folks up to add more memory.

      Some folks have Apple pacemakers with defibrillators. Many wanted one or another but Apple being Apple, only sold that one device. The there was the MacPacemaker Pro. It was Titanium and looked great. Some folks even had a transparent cover for their heart so others could see their Apple pacemaker. Insurance won't pay for an Apple pacemaker because the Linux one works just as well.

    3. Re:Yes, but... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but it does run Netbsd.

      Has Netcraft confirmed that the patient is dying?

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    4. Re:Yes, but... by proxy318 · · Score: 1

      No, it runs Carol.

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    5. Re:Yes, but... by funaho · · Score: 1, Funny

      Heh, suicide for hackers: "ssh -l root mypacemaker kill -9 1"

    6. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's MICROSOFT PACEMAKER!

      (cue Clippy)

      Hi, it looks like you're going into cardiac arrest! Would you like to...

    7. Re:Yes, but... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Like this?

    8. Re:Yes, but... by von_rick · · Score: 4, Funny

      lib-pacemaker conflicts with lib-aorta and lib-left-ventricle.

      ... Dependencies not met.

      ... Stopping process /etc/heart.d

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    9. Re:Yes, but... by isama · · Score: 1

      What was it? ehhhm.....

      diediedie();

  6. Freudian slip? by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the patent is rapidly losing consciousness

    I wonder if that was intentional or not?

  7. It's gonna be bad.... by nine-times · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that Slashdot knows about it, it's only a matter of time before someone starts trying to hack these things. Countdown: Someone here installs Linux and runs a NES emulator on his own pacemaker in 3....2....

    1. Re:It's gonna be bad.... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Countdown: Someone here installs Linux and runs a NES emulator on his own pacemaker in 3....2....

      It'd give you an extra incentive not to die in the video game if that death was going to be translated into your pacemaker malfunctioning ;) Who knew that Bowser has powers in the real world.

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    2. Re:It's gonna be bad.... by Vu1turEMaN · · Score: 1

      What happens if you hit the pause button?

    3. Re:It's gonna be bad.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Now that Slashdot knows about it, it's only a matter of time before someone starts trying to hack these things. Countdown: Someone here installs Linux and runs a NES emulator on his own pacemaker in 3....2....

      Someone reported a while back that Dick Cheney had a bluetooth-enabled pacemaker. It would seem unlikely that nobody would have tried to fuzz that - maybe they're fairly secure these days.

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    4. Re:It's gonna be bad.... by martas · · Score: 1

      "oops, we forgot to check array bounds in one place... here come the buffer overflow attacks!"

  8. Brave New World: Get an Internet Pace Maker by HydraSwitch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would you want one with an IP address?
    Not me, thank you.

  9. Side note by muyla · · Score: 2, Funny

    On a side note, the pacemaker owner was recomended not to play multimedia content from youtube in his equipment so the battery lasts longer.

  10. Heart tweet by jbudofsky · · Score: 1

    The obvious next step is to hook this system up to Twitter. It would be much more interesting than those silly kids which allow your plants to tweet.

    1. Re:Heart tweet by jbudofsky · · Score: 1

      And by kids, I did mean kits.

  11. dead by HerrBohm · · Score: 4, Funny

    ping pacemaker
    4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3609ms

    meaning she is gone...

    1. Re:dead by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      How do you have a round trip time when there are no returned packets?

    2. Re:dead by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      He just measured the time until the packet didn't arrive. :-)

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  12. How Will We Reach Ray Kurzweil's "Singularity" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we occasionally take two steps backward in biotech?

    1. Re:How Will We Reach Ray Kurzweil's "Singularity" by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      A singularity is the result of dividing by zero. Probably Ray Kurzweil just misinterpreted the usual C/C++ explanation that division by zero is undefined behaviour and therefore anything could happen.

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  13. Here's an idea by ExE122 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why not just tap it into Twitter and utilize an existing system that's stable, easily accessible, and highly availabile? Not to mention you could keep your friends in the loop!

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      Excepting for the fact that twitter is neither stable nor highly available by any means the medical industry would use.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea by ScytheBlade1 · · Score: 1

      whoooooooooooooooosh

    3. Re:Here's an idea by powerlord · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know ... I mean ... what could possibly go wrong with connecting a pacemaker to Twitter and a live internet connection?

      ...
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:30:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:31:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:32:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:33:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:34:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:35:21: I'm regulating my heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:32:21: Incoming update detected ...
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:35:21: Switching to Mambo beat!!!!
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:35:31: I'm regulating my p0wned!!1!! heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:36:31: I'm regulating my p0wned!!1!! heart.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:36:21: Incoming update detected ...
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:37:31: I'm regulating my p0wned!!1!! heart. ANONYMOUS RULES!!!
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:37:41: Incoming update detected ...
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:38:33: I'm regulating my p0wned!!1!! heart. Marry me J-LO!
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:38:35: Incoming update detected ...
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:39:21: I'm regulating my p0wned!!1!! heart. BEWARE THE LIDS OF MARCH!
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:39:31: Cardiac arrest detected ... initiating EMS protocol.
      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:39:31: Incoming update detected ... ...

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    4. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1stP4ce 2009-Aug-08 11:39:32: 140M DETH

    5. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relax your pacemaker has all the latest technology, including windows Vista, what could go wrong?

    6. Re:Here's an idea by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      You know what it means if the patient turns blue?

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    7. Re:Here's an idea by powerlord · · Score: 1

      You know what it means if the patient turns blue?

      You need to reincarnate your user and hope that fixes your problem?

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  14. Here's hoping.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's hoping that thing doesn't run windoze.

  15. If it can access the internet... by Sumbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...then the next step is to see what a little overclocking would do to it...

    1. Re:If it can access the internet... by MagikSlinger · · Score: 1

      What kind of cooling system would you use?

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    2. Re:If it can access the internet... by insane_machine · · Score: 1

      Liquid of course.

    3. Re:If it can access the internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liquid cooling, obviously.

  16. Duke Nukem by jDeepbeep · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Does it run Linux?

    No, but they ship with Duke Nukem Forever.

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  17. RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    God forbid she downloads copyrighted material and the RIAA have her internet connection terminated...

  18. All your pacemaker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...are belong to us.

    Seriously, though...are we just one step away from remote-controlled heartplugs? Dune fans...er...rejoice?

    Warning: mild gore in link.

    1. Re:All your pacemaker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, that's just what I need, /b/tards trolling MY FRICKIN' HEART!

  19. regular checkups? by ksheff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's assuming that someone sets up a scheduler to actually do these checkups. When my Dad has his pacemaker put in, he was supposed to go back to the hospital every few months to have the data the device was collecting downloaded and the battery checked. He had it for at least a year or two and it was never checked. Someone at the hospital forgot to enter it into a database. He had a checkup with his cardiologist during that time too and the doctor never asked about it.

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    1. Re:regular checkups? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 1

      That's assuming that someone sets up a scheduler to actually do these checkups. When my Dad has his pacemaker put in, he was supposed to go back to the hospital every few months to have the data the device was collecting downloaded...

      In this case, it sounds like the patient requires continuous monitoring, like you'd get in the ICU. Note that it's not just connecting to the nearest unlocked router -- there's application-specific equipment at her house. This has got to be a ton cheaper than the ICU (or at least it will be when fully rolled out).

      In response to all the DDOS jokes -- I can't imagine a device like this *ever* being on the public side of a network connection. Grandma may not understand the need for a firewall between her PC and the Russian hackers, but you can damn well bet she'll want something between them and her freakin' HEART. Now, when our generation gets to "a certain age" (which I'm closer to than y'all, having passed 40)... maybe we'll be more willing to crowdsource our heart rhythm.

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    2. Re:regular checkups? by ksheff · · Score: 2, Informative

      Now, when our generation gets to "a certain age" (which I'm closer to than y'all, having passed 40)... maybe we'll be more willing to crowdsource our heart rhythm.

      as another member of the "over 40" group, I'd have to say "No" to that idea.

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  20. There must be something I'm missing by dachshund · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is by no means the first "wirelessly-monitored" pacemaker. Pacemakers and ICDs have been linked to home monitoring equipment for several years, and that equipment routinely communicates with a central monitoring station (usually via a modem).

    Now, if the pacemaker itself was doing the communicating directly (say over any Wifi or cellular network) that would be pretty amazing. But they point out that the pacemaker doesn't have an IP address, and it's only communicating with equipment in the patient's home. That sounds a lot like existing technology, except perhaps that the final link (home monitoring device -> monitoring station) is being performed via IP rather than a phone line. That's nice, but certainly not very exciting. And why does it require a whole new pacemaker to make this upgrade?

    Clearly there's something to this article that I'm not seeing...

    1. Re:There must be something I'm missing by jjeffries · · Score: 1

      > Clearly there's something to this article that I'm not seeing...

      Did you see the bit about it being ON THE INTERNETS? There's the difference! When you put something ON THE INTERNETS it becomes more than just the sum of its parts, it becomes a new, unique, and patentable thing; a technological piece de resistance of intellectual property!

    2. Re:There must be something I'm missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Current pacemakers communicate wirelessly over very short distances. If you can have a constant link untethered then it's a whole different story.

    3. Re:There must be something I'm missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, having just had my contract end at the place where these devices are developed, I can confirm that you are correct. The main difference here is that the device can communicate with the monitoring station or other hand held monitoring devices via RF instead of needing to go to the monitoring station and physically place an induction wand over the implant sight. This means that certain data can be collected and uploaded to the system server (where more processing takes place) while the patients sleeps. It is a step in the right direction, but you are correct in that this article really misrepresents what is going on. It is definitely not connected to the internet (only the bedside monitoring station is).

    4. Re:There must be something I'm missing by John.P.Jones · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting if they put the monitoring equipment in a cell phone, then even though the device has a short range it could be continuously monitored from anywhere not just the house, as long as the lady had her phone with her.

    5. Re:There must be something I'm missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It uses the rf spectrum. Older models use magnetic telemetry. So while both are "wireless" in that there is not a wire connecting the pacemaker and monitoring system, this new model has a range measured in feet while the older models require a "wand" to rest on the patient's chest, above the implant.

    6. Re:There must be something I'm missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Biotronik has been doing this for some time now.

    7. Re:There must be something I'm missing by dave981 · · Score: 1

      Pacemakers have not been wireless hooked up via the a home monitoring system managed by St. Jude (until now), Medtronic, nor BSC. ICD's have been. (I can't speak for OUS companies). TTM monitoring has been hapening for years. (8 second EKG's, and battery strength, etc...)

  21. Really changes the definition of DoS... by davidbrit2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Denial of Systolic attack?

    1. Re:Really changes the definition of DoS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SYNcope flooding?

  22. 4chan by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thousands of 4channers suddenly stop what they were doing and in unison spit out, 'WHAT just got connected to the Internet?' as smiles spreads across their faces. ... maybe this isn't such a good idea...

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  23. Harkonnen heart plug by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

    This just remind me of that Harkonnen heart plug from Dune

  24. Re:Niggers (You love that word just admit it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to talk about Africa you're welcome to submit a story and if it hits the front page we'll all stop by and discuss this like civilized human beings. This story is about pacemakers.

  25. "Fatal error" jokes aside... by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone fitted with a pacemaker of late, having means to often update the doc with performance data would be nice - if not downright life-saving.

    With current technology, I have to go in for my "tuneup" every six months. It does involve a wireless interface, and there is an impressive amount of data dumped. A great many parameters can be changed with ease by a trained technician. When we determined that my natural resting heartrate was under 60bpm, reprogramming that to a minimum of 50bpm was trivial.

    Transmitting ongoing data to the doc would be convenient, making it easy to email "hey, something funny happened today, please look into it" without having to wait until a scheduled appointment involving a not-always-available technician. Being able to transmit critical event as they occur is also very desirable - duh; my Medical Alert necklace may direct medics to call my cardiologist, who would be much more effective if he already had incident data.

    Of course the real problem is remote control. Informing the doc of ongoing/critical data is one thing; allowing access to make remote updates is a different issue. Making the unit such that remote changes are impossible is, of course, possible. However, if ANY change will be made to such a critical device, then it should be done IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. One of my diagnostic routines is dropping my heart rate to 40bpm - harmless if done right, lethal if screwed up.

    Of course the real concern to most /. readers is the LOLFAIL headline. "Hey, watch out for a DDOS on your pacemaker! Ha ha ha!" Nothing wins a lot of reads like a headline making some technical advancement sound really dumb. Funny how so many readers of a high-tech news source treat high-tech advancements like Luddites.

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    1. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how so many readers of a high-tech news source treat high-tech advancements like Luddites.

      It could be a simple matter of we can see where this could go horribly wrong.

    2. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When something impressive comes along, most /. readers are simply quick to point out vulnerabilities, that's all.

      Like you said, Remote logging of activity - incredibly useful, right?

      Remote control, for example, is simply one of the largest hazards.

      It doesn't have an IP address - because its just broadcasting, but that could mean it has an SSID on that particular wave - which means that perhaps anyone can access the data. Is it encrypted? Does it contain personal information?

      The internet itself isn't a secure place, and wireless makes it less secure from a physical standpoint, so its just easy for people to line up jokes about things going wrong: It's in an enviroment where it's possible and likely.

    3. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with yur last statement for 2 reasons.

      The first being that technology for technologies sake is to some degree dumb. It is just common sense to not replace your prefectly fine heart with an artificial one simply because you can (at least not yet).

      If there's any concern with ones safety due to an electronic attack on the device then it could be more dangerous to have the one with the new fangled internet connection then an older one without. Murder happens and sometimes without appearent instigation from the victim.

      Secondly, this is entertainment. This is not a national security or even international security board or anything like that. we all come here for a laugh or enlightenment. I highly doubt that anyone would like to watch someone die because of a new way to remotely hack a pacemaker.

      No need for the anger, man.

    4. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by martas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nothing wins a lot of reads like a headline making some technical advancement sound really dumb. Funny how so many readers of a high-tech news source treat high-tech advancements like Luddites.

      have you ever read /. before? that's pretty much what we do here. that and welcoming various overlords.

    5. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      You know, all this monitoring stuff is crap.

      Wake me up when they invent a way to charge my damn pacemaker so they don't have to replace it every six years or so.

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    6. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, all this monitoring stuff is crap.

      Wake me up when they invent a way to charge my damn pacemaker so they don't have to replace it every six years or so.

      I have no problems with changing it every six years or so .. I live in Canada .. doesn't cost me a cent!
      I've had it replaced once after 9 years, mine wasn't pacing that often.

      The operation is a snap, you're awake through it, but a bit out of it.
      I got a new model, with more features and they reuse the old leads.

      The bitch is waiting for the scare to heal again, the stitches can itch etc.
      Anyhow the price is right, no need to complain!

    7. Re:"Fatal error" jokes aside... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Hey thanks for the informative post. I broke my arm the week before last. Doctors told me there was a wait for xray because of a computer virus problem. Later they sent me my xrays on CD along with a bunch of DLLs for reading said files. Office style issues seem to be encroaching on systems which were formerly embedded and airgapped...

  26. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of These by AP31R0N · · Score: 2, Funny

    serving as a timing belt.

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  27. Patient drops when TTL is exceeded by sjames · · Score: 1

    nt

  28. No IP Yet ... But Next Version Who Knows? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 3, Informative

    Article indicates the pacemaker doesn't have an IP address, and only connects via 402-405 MHz radio link.

    However, it's nearly inevitable that a later version of it and/or those of another pacemaker manufacturer will have its own IP.

    Those with access to a large bot net could easily scan for pacemaker software and then target all or, more likely, a specific person(s) to remotely sabotage their pacemaker, possibly resulting in death...

    Most killers won't go to such extremes, since there are numerous easier, less traceable ways of killing. But for people in prison, remote killing has its appeal ... in particular, to target judges and prosecutors, who, due to age / stress along with access to top quality medical care, often have pacemakers.

    To digress somewhat, there are already numerous horror stories of people's on-line medical records getting mixed up / corrupted due to identity theives who seek care under someone elses name - and to make matters worse, ID victims generally do NOT have the right to see that extraneous data nor have it removed. So I'm highly skeptical of the security of on-line medical devices when even on-line medical records aren't as secure as they should be.

    Ron

    1. Re:No IP Yet ... But Next Version Who Knows? by wlad · · Score: 1

      "Remote shutting down" people that way makes me think of an old story by Harlan Ellison ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Repent,_Harlequin!%22_Said_the_Ticktockman ), it deals with a dictator that can shut off people their heart remotely if they misbehave.

    2. Re:No IP Yet ... But Next Version Who Knows? by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Article indicates the pacemaker doesn't have an IP address, and only connects via 402-405 MHz radio link.

      As does the summary...

      However, it's nearly inevitable that a later version of it and/or those of another pacemaker manufacturer will have its own IP.

      Why? Because it'd be cool to do so?

      Those with access to a large bot net could easily scan for pacemaker software and then target all or, more likely, a specific person(s) to remotely sabotage their pacemaker, possibly resulting in death...

      Making a good reason NOT to do "the inevitable"... Adding something like an IP address to life-sensitive equipment isn't "inevitable" for the very reasons you claim. As a group, doctors aren't idiots, you know, nor are the programmers who write/create medical equipment.

      Any medical technology is released very conservatively. How long has it been feasible to access information over IP? A decade? And yet, this is the first use of IP to transmit medical pacemaker MONITORING info. No amount of hacking, DDOS, or Pranknet stunts would result in this person dying since there's nothing in the system that would allow them to do so.

      Just because you WANT an IP address (or something usable as such) in so many cases in no way makes it inevitable that every possible device will get one! I, for one, would specifically NOT want my pacemaker to have an IP address.

      This even though I *would* like some kind of video display implanted into my brain as a "6th sense" so that I could hook up a backpack PC/browser thereto - notice that even in this case, I don't want any kind of direct access to my brain, but rather just a screen/kb equivalent that I can connect to a computer of my choosing...

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    3. Re:No IP Yet ... But Next Version Who Knows? by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Yeah, who knows, maybe someday somebody will design a dumb system with some problems. Let's beat the crowd and start criticising whomever it is ahead of time just in case, shall we?

      As for electronic records, don't worry, it appears the US is right on track to stick with the most arcane, inefficient, and not-particularly-effective medical system in the modernized world, so the chances of us making any new types of errors are fairly low! Yay!

    4. Re:No IP Yet ... But Next Version Who Knows? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      However, it's nearly inevitable that a later version [...]will have its own IP.

      Currently, cars are mostly used to transport people from one place to another. However it's nearly inevitable that a later version will include heavy particle cannons.

      It's madness! Everyone will have heavy particle twin cannons!

      Let's discuss the horrifying consecuences of that unavoidable future!

      Poll:
      I'll want the particles in my car's heavy particle twin cannons to be:
      - Red, they go faster.
      - Green, go green!
      - First!, because First! is always the best answer.
      - I don't have a car. I'll probably die in the heavy particle twin cannons armaggeddon.

  29. I for one welcome my ..... by hachete · · Score: 4, Funny

    .... Aaargghh

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  30. Mashup! by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    I'm totally doing a mashup so the Internet can watch Carol Kasyjanski's heartbeat and music to go with it.

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  31. I just tried to browse it... by FellowConspirator · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... I think the server crashed, just dead links.

  32. We don't need an IP, we are /. ! by burni · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't matter just try out some of the 2^32 minus reserved addresses

    all /.ers Christian Name starting with an "A" take the 0.5*2^30 upper addresses and ...

    Thank good they haven't postet the IP on /.

    I suppose you don't even need a computer network of brainless bots to DDOS a computer,
    slashdot + us the faster than light clicking slashdot-crauts would fullfill the task, twice as good as any botnet can do,

    btw. "Police: Man blamed child porn on cat"

    haha next time he can blame his hacked pacemaker for doing so, it will also be very complicated to confiscate this evidence.

    and here it comes the DomainName for the Pacemaker

    http://pacemaker.chicagohope.md/

  33. Re:Good thing there's no IP Ping a BUNCH of these by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    and you end up with a Pack-it (in) Storm.

    I wonder if extreme latency, though will give longer TTL (time to live) for those shooting pics with TTL (thru the lens).

    In any case, a barrage of packets would heap on "layers" of love.

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  34. Misleading title by davidwr · · Score: 1

    So, this is NOT the first internet-connected pacemaker after all?

    Maybe next time.

    Well, at least we know why the IPv6 address space is so huge.

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  35. Re:Brave New World: Get an Internet Pace Maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you want one with an IP address?
    Not me, thank you.

    I don't want one of those crummy IPv4 addresses. It's IPv6 or nothing.

  36. Next its going to be breast implants with Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh the possibilities!! Uploading how many times the breast implants are played with, so on and so forth. Now that's good science.

  37. How long before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every poker player in the world will be carrying a portable detector for these kinds of pace makers. Suddenly detecting bluffs got a whole lot easier. (I see a potential market for devices that spoof the pacemaker signals though).

  38. Related Stories: by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

    First Internet-Connected Pacemaker Goes Dead

  39. RIAA by Akita24 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I can't wait for the first lawsuit over MP3s being downloaded to a pacemaker.

  40. Re:Niggers (You love that word just admit it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please don't feed the trolls.

  41. Nothing new about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is definitely not the first product to be doing this (see BostonScientific/Latitude System or Medtronic/CareLink).

    Also - you will never see devices with their own IPs - it doesn't make any sense.

  42. Aside from all the jokes by east+coast · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think this is great.

    It brings me to my own situation: I recently got a CPAP machine with a smartcard for data storage. Unfortunately the card reader is about 130 dollars online and it requires a proprietary software. If my MD wants to see the data he needs for me to remove the card and send it in.

    Wouldn't it be great to have these kinds of home devices just "phone it in"? Real data that my MD can look over at his discretion as well as having a copy of it available to me for my own edification. It could be set up to red flag certain data that, because it could be detected as it happens, could prevent minor issues from becoming major issues. This is the kind of technology that is cheap to employ, automated systems could look for abnormalities and could lead to saving lives as well as curbing the cost of health care by making sure that small issues don't become major issues.

    More and more people are doing home monitoring of medical conditions without being able to make sense of all the data. This is a great resource and one I can agree to using stimulus money for to take to the next level.

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    Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
  43. Getting my own pacemaker checked by InterGuru · · Score: 1

    Every six months my pacemaker is checked. Part of the test is to speed and slow down the pacemaker and my heart for a short time.

    It is a truly a scary and heartfelt experience.

  44. Mhm... smells fishy by alexborges · · Score: 1

    " the pacemaker itself doesn't have an IP address, fun as that would be."

    Cant be done.

    You cant have a tcp connection without a source IP.

    Now maybe the IP is forcefully dynamic and always within the private ranges.... buts thats another thing. K?

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    1. Re:Mhm... smells fishy by Elshar · · Score: 1

      Why is that fishy? The pacemaker talks to the base station unit, reporting it's status. The only thing connected to the internet is the base station. It doesn't need an IP address any more than a wireless HID does when attached to a computer.

      This isn't even very new, really. Devices like this already exist, they just use telephony to literally "phone home" instead of the intarwebernets

  45. Re:Niggers (You love that word just admit it) by Shads · · Score: 1, Funny

    Correlation does not imply causation. If it did you'd be an inbred racist hick who jumps to conclusions about statistics when they know nothing about how statistical analysis works.

    oh wait.. never mind.

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  46. As cool as the headline sounds by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    The pacemaker is not connected to the internet. The "base station" is and that is what the doctors are remotely checking. The pacemaker is just sending its current state to the "base station". The pacemaker is no more connected to the internet than a wireless keyboard or a pair of bluetooth headphones are.

  47. Peacekeeper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first I read 'First Internet-Connected Peacekeeper Goes Live'

  48. itunes patch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And there is already a patch released so it can sync with itunes.

  49. IPv6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, a killer app for IPv6

  50. Remote Monitoring by dave981 · · Score: 1

    A key thing that is left out (But what most people have surmised):

        Pacemaker <--MICS Band--> Home monitoring unit (developed by pacemaker company; obtains IP address - typically via dial-up.) <--TCP/IP--> PaceMaker Companies Servers <-- TCP/IP--> Physician Web connection

    The 400mhz is considered to be the MICS band - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Implant_Communication_Service . The great thing about MICS is that it covers not only 'both sides' of the pond, but pretty much all sides. (E.g. Asia, Europe, and the US). The 'challenge' with 400mhz is that it's only a 'few meters' coverage. So you have to have the home monitoring unit (the unit that actually does 'connect' to the internet and the implanted device) within a 'few meters' of the device/patient.

    Pacemakers are very small, compared with an ICD (defibrillator). In both cases, battery space is one of the biggest uses of the volume of the CAN. (in a defib you also have a large capacitor). The more energy you use for communication, the faster you drain the battery - and the less power you have for therapy. No one has an 'externally rechargeable' unit - so the only option is to put the patient under for surgery and replace the unit. (Low risk - BUT, there is a risk... and it's a surgery. and these things aren't cheap)

    It will probably be a long time before your pacemaker signs on automatically to the local WiFi connection to 'dial home' to the physician. (Power, security, and proprietary data communication formats to name a few reasons).

    One commenter early said, "pacemakers have been connected for years" - that's via "TTM" - http://www.google.com/search?q=transtelephonic+monitoring+pacemaker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    TTM doesn't provide very much data from the CAN. Basically and EGRAM, battery strength, and maybe a few other items. The at home monitoring unit can pull more data from the can.

    The great thing about these systems are the peace of mind from monitoring the pacemaker on a daily/weekly/monthly basis versus once every 6-12 months or 'when the patient feels bad.' And when the patient does 'feel bad' the physician can pull up the latest information from the pacemaker the help determine if the patient should come in or not.

    Company Websites:
    St. Jude (Featured) - House Call - http://www.sjm.com/devices/device.aspx?name=housecall+plus+remote+patient+monitoring+system&location=us&type=10
    Boston Scientific - http://www.aboutlatitude.com/
    Medtronic - http://www.medtronic.com/physician/carelink/index.html

  51. I wonder what happens... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When this person boards an airliner? When the airplane starts rhythmically thumping we'll now there's a wireless pacemaker onboard.

  52. Can be safe, with the right precautions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing wrong with this as long as the hardware that connects to the receiver is both separate from the pacemaker's control circuitry and also only has read-only options.

  53. this sounds remarkably familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.medtronic.com/physician/carelink/features.html

    like technology that has been around for years...

    If you want to have more fun look up "insertable loop recorder" on google... Sounds exactly like what we might be doing in the future... TODAY!!!

  54. There IS something the author is missing by teambpsi · · Score: 1

    This is nothing new. Boston Scientific (formerly Guidant) Latitude system has been working wirelessly in exactly this manner for nearly five years.

    And "researchers" have been trying to hack the protocol -- mainly by reverse engineering the wanded communication.

    Gradma is in more danger of a "pillow-attack" for the inheritance than someone trying to tweak her pacing.

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  55. Re:Brave New World: Get an Internet Pace Maker by value_added · · Score: 1

    Would you want one with an IP address?

    If it was routable, remote management over SSH by the doctor might be useful. The cardiologist could, for example, do a few runs of dd(1) and determine whether you're ready to have sex with your wife, or whether some additional tweaks are first needed.

    The downside, of course, is the patient being a Unix user and discovering the localhost interface.

    "Honey, call 911! I just did an accidental rm -rf /!"

  56. The first...? by thatoneguy_jm · · Score: 1

    It's most likely a different brand, but my wife has had a wireless defibrillator / pacemaker implant since last October. It, too, wirelessly connects to a base in the house, which in turn talks to the doctor's office. They can also remotely activate tests and scans. We joke quite often that she's one of the only people we know that has their own wireless access point. Right before the surgery, the surgeon asked my wife if she had any questions. Her first question? "Um, this thing isn't running on Windows, is it?" He replied that she was the first person to ever ask that, and that it ran on a custom version of Unix.

    1. Re:The first...? by gardencityboy · · Score: 1

      Reuters says it is the first American but Yahoo! changed it to a World first.

      http://blogs.bmj.com/case-reports/2009/08/11/first-internet-connected-pacemaker/

  57. Re:Brave New World: Get an Internet Pace Maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would you want to know if it did?

  58. Peacemaker, by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that misread the title as "First Internet-Connected Peacemaker Goes Live" and thought now we really need to take guns and/or internet away from some people.

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  59. I can just see it now. by nimbius · · Score: 2, Funny

    sysadmin dad: son, your grandmother is getting old and she wont be around much longer. you should cherish the times you have with her

    son: how do you know?
    sysadmin dad: i caught her throwing warnings to syslog when i was checking logwatches for the toilet and the fridge today. plus her cacti trend for ping time and load looks horrible.
    son: will grandma go to heaven?
    sysadmin dad: depends, I didnt an asset tag on her so chances are the property disposal authorization wont go through and she'll just sit on the shipping receiving dock forever.
    son: so shes going to be a ghost??
    sysadmin dad: worse, people dont leave empties on you when your a ghost.

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  60. &$&#*&NO CARRIER by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    ... oops.

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  61. One question remains... by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

    Is it a wired or a wireless connection?

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  62. Pinging the pacemaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C:\>ping grandpa

    grandpa not found

    Oh no! :(

  63. Automatic Updates... by bagsta · · Score: 1

    I hope that this internet-connected pacemaker does not automatic update its software from microsoft.com ...

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  64. hmm by Sheen · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong with this.

  65. The next step: Heartbeat pop up ads! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Click the kidney, win an iPhone!

  66. Re:N*ggers (You love that word just admit it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    they dont act like equals but they wanna be treated like equals (FACT). they dont even want to speak proper english

    wanna? dont? (no apostrophe)

    You can't speak English properly!

  67. Really the first? ... historical-pedantry-dept. by gardencityboy · · Score: 1

    See a lot of these "first" medical procedures usually originating in some press release from a clinic specialising in that particular area of treatment -- and wanting to promote their groundbreaking techniques. But are they the first?

    At BMJ Case Reports we published a case of a web-connected implantable cardioverter defibrillator detecting digoxin toxicity a few months ago. An implantable cardioverter defibrillator is not a pacemaker of course but usually includes a quite sophisticated one along with the ability to do the DC shock.

    1. Re:Really the first? ... historical-pedantry-dept. by gardencityboy · · Score: 1

      Nope just checked. The Germans did it years ago. http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/10/2/164 Are Reuters the best placed to judge medical firsts?

  68. Critical Update by stararmy · · Score: 1

    A security vulnerability has been discovered that could allow an attacker to gain complete control of your heart. Download this update to ensure your heart is protected. After completing this update, you may have to restart your circulatory system.