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TomTom Releases iPhone Navigation App
andylim writes "Today TomTom released its long-awaited iPhone app that allows you to use your iPhone 3G and 3GS as a GPS navigation device. Recombu.com tested it out on video this morning and concluded that it works well but if you receive a call while you're driving then the app does cut out — it will restart once you've finished the conversation. The app costs £60 for the UK & Ireland version, £80 for western Europe, £45 for Australia and £60 for the US and Canada."
So here is the question I have for many of you who own iphones and such. If you pay for an app and your phone dies, or something, will that app be transferred to a replacement phone or do you need to re-purchase the app for the new phone?
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This differs from the built-in Google Maps... how?
There's no pitch here, just a claim that it adds a feature iPhones already had!
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I am not going to get vendor locked in to iPhone. Will there be a Android version available from Tom Tom or one of its competitors?
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"if you receive a call while you're driving then the app does cut out"
What? If you answer, or just because you receive a call?
The former - well, if you're not using handsfree, you shouldn't be answering. TomTom are releasing some hardware for the iPhone that incorporates handfree features however...
If the latter - Apple: sort this stuff out! This is basic functionality, keeping an application running whilst taking a call.
Wow, this is a crap deal. How disappointing. Why is the app is 1.2GB in size, when the iPhone is designed as an always-on device? A $30 1GB app with paid map downloads on demand, instead of storing the entire USA on the phone at once, would make much more sense. I agree that streaming maps (such as the google maps app) are useless if you're in the sticks with no coverage or Edge-only coverage, but giving up over 1/8th or 1/16th of my total storage for maps I won't use 99% of the time is a terrible compromise. if I could install map packs based on my travel plans, that would make much more sense. And $100 for the USA, when I can buy a standalone TomTom 125 for $80? Unless the $100 app has feature parity with the $400 standalone units, the only conclusion I can come to is that they are trying to incentivise people away from using the iPhone app, and toward buying a dedicated GPS unit instead. I can think of no other excuse. Bad form, guys. I hope someone sees the market opportunity and steals your cake.
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The app isn't available in the US yet, for whatever reason. While you could go and run the exchange rate to get the price in USD, it's likely that they'll set a different price point for US customers. I'm gonna guess $100.
The timing on this is just lovely- I just picked up the Navigon turn-by-turn app yesterday for $70, since I got tired of waiting for TomTom. I haven't even had a chance to use it yet.
but if you receive a call while you're driving then the app does cut out -- it will restart once you've finished the conversation
My Garmin, when connected to my phone (any phone, not just iPhone) via bluetooth does exactly the same thing. It supresses the nav prompts until you complete the call. I don't understand why this is a complaint? Especially for this particular situation since you're running this app on a PHONE whose primary purpose is to receive CALLS. Or have I missed something obvious?
No, because TFA actually says "For those of you wondering what happens when you get a call, the app turns off but restarts as soon as you finish the call, so it's not too bad."
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The price on $99 just seems wildly optimistic to me on the parts of Tom-Tom. CoPilot also just release a new GPS maps software, but for only $35, about 1/3rd the price. So, is Tom-Tom really that much better to justify the steep price tag? I am not trying to troll, I really want to know if it is...? If I were to get the Tom-Tom software, I would most likely get the mount/GPS extender, which hasn't even released a price for yet, so the totally cost just sky-rockets. Find out more about the Tom-Tom iPhone software and mount at iPhone.tomtom.com
I think you're confused. A iPhone 3G / iPhone 3GS certainly does have GPS signal receiving hardware in it. It was, along with the new look and 3G, the main differences between the iPhone "Classic" and the new model.
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If the app isn't available in the USA store then where does the price converted to pound comes from?
Ok. I was wrong. I honestly did not understand that there is a GPS chip of somsort in my iphone.
While you're correct about the original silver-back iPhone, the iPhone 3G & 3Gs have A-GPS. A-GPS is a system that uses cell tower & wireless hotspot triangulation to get the receiver's general location, then uses the GPS antenna to nail down the final position. In this way they can get a fix just as quickly as a device that only has a GPS antenna, while using less battery on the handset acquiring a signal.
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Wrong... It uses cell tower-assisted GPS. This is most definitely GPS, and uses the GPS chip in the iPhone. It's not compatible with the original iPhone, because there is no GPS.
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Wrong. The iPhone 3G and 3Gs and the Pre have real GPS antennae. They are getting satellite navigation augmented by cell tower triangulation and motion for improved accuracy. It's SAT Nav alright.
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It's up on the US app store now:
US & Can $99.99
Western Europe $139.33
Australia $79.99
New Zealand $94.99
But... it is GPS...
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Is probably having on-board maps. The built in app works great as long as you have a good network connection. Get in an area without 3G and the buiilt-in app gets pretty useless if you're moving.
Hopefully TomTom can get its upcoming car kit that has improved GPS and charging to work with the iPod Touch.
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Huh. I didn't realize that the 3G/3GS still used triangulation for assistance. I've wondered why both Google Maps and xGPS (for jailbroken iPhones) can almost immediately determine my location, but Navigon and Sygic take almost a minute to do so. Perhaps the latter apps rely on GPS only.
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If the app isn't available in the USA store then where does the price converted to pound comes from?
England. Duh.
I use the fantastic TeleNav app on my Blackberry Storm, an app that lets me call in addresses which are automatically downloaded to my phone. I dont have to type anything, EVER.
But, I do understand that no technology is actually REAL until Apple puts out something with it. Never mind that the first 2 iPhones didn't even have a GPS chip. Now that Apple's got this Tom-Tom app, GPS Turn-by-turn will be all the rage.
I keep forgetting that unless I wait years for the privilege of paying double, so that my technical toys come with that Apple logo, I just wont ever be a hipster!
They've had a Windows Mobile version of Tom Tom for quite a while now.
The prices are in British Pounds, because the linked article is on a UK website. The author of the article is someone who is reporting the news to people in his country of origin. Congratulations on discovering that there's an entire world outside your country's borders!
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GPS works by picking up multiple GPS satellites and then calculating an approximate location. It continually samples the incoming signals. The more satellites you can pick up at one time the better. Unfortunately if you are moving or under trees , tunnels or other cover then you will pick up fewer satellites and your accuracy will plummet. By the early 90's GPS navigation on vehicles was supplemented by inertial systems (motion) in order to improve accuracy at every given point. So the system would get a really good fix at one point and then use your motion to approximate the subsequent points you'd pass through until you get another good SAT fix. In the meantime you might intermittently get inferior data from a subset of available satellites which would also contribute their two cents. Cell phone triangulation just adds to this data and improves your accuracy and availability.
The original civilian available GPS was only accurate to about 50 meters - unless you sat still in an open area for awhile. Improvements in software and inertial guidance and now cell towers have dramatically improved accuracy even while in motion.
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Hmm.. I can pay $100 for the iPhone app, or for $59.99 I can get the whole unit. I'll stick with the actual TomTom.
TomTom missed the boat on this app. You can buy a new TomTom device for $99. Why would I pay the same to add software to a device that I already paid for? I would have bought this if it came out at $50 for the software, or $99 for the software plus the hardware accessory kit. At $99 for the software alone, I will pass.
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GPS on the Google Maps app is kind of sketchy in my neighborhood... often its range is not focused enough. And once in awhile, it thinks I am in the Grand Canyon, and I have to turn off the iPhone and turn it back on for it to fix itself.
It was rather humorous, watching myself drive around the Grand Canyon, because it did actually move in sync with my true GPS movements... just thousands of miles off. (I was in Maine.)
So... will TomTom think I'm somewhere else, when I'm not? Or should I wait for the little car-mounting-GPS-booster?
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There's two issues with subscription GPS - the bigger one being a dependancy on cellular service. If you're in a dead zone, and lost, the last thing you want is the GPS app you're paying $10/mo. for not to work. The other is, after 10 months, the TomTom app has paid for itself in comparison. (This is also true of getting a standard GPS nav for your car. I find having TomTom on my phone to be much more convenient, though.)
There are many complaints here that I don't agree with:
With regard to the price and competing GPS apps: I have a TomTom GPS device that I bought a couple years ago. I paid about $200 and it has been worth every penny. If I didn't already have that device, I would buy the $99 iPhone app in a heartbeat. Yes, there are cheaper GPS apps, and I honestly don't know how most of them compare. I did buy a GPS app last week for $2 or $3. Considering the price I'd say it was good. But it doesn't compare to my TomTom at all; I deleted it. The Google Maps app is also nice, but it doesn't provide turn-by-turn directions while driving. TomTom is doing the smart thing and charging based on the value of the app.
With regard to the size of the app: I can understand the complaints. But (I think) the storage sizes on phones that will run this range between 8GB and 32GB. 1GB is a significant, but not huge, chunk of that. Phone storage sizes will only increase. I don't want to get lost because my phone can't reach the map server; storying 1GB of map data on the phone seems perfectly reasonable.
If you don't want it, don't need it, or can't justify the price, then don't buy it. But I think this will be a worthwhile app for many people.
Not only that, it gives a common currency to compare. If one was Dollars, one in Franks, one in Euros and one in Pounds, you would have been no better off, in fact, it would have useless information.
OpenStreetMap is the Open Source data provider to a number of free/cheap iPhone applications. http://www.roadee.net/ being one of the more popular iPhone routing apps. OpenStreetMap.org is the wikipedia of maps.
Cell phone triangulation just adds to this data and improves your accuracy and availability.
That's not what it does.
Every satellite transmits at exactly 1 MHz, but you receive it at a frequency that depends on your exact position, the exact time and the exact position of the satellite due to the doppler effect. When you turn the GPS on, it doesn't have a clue where it is because it doesn't receive any satellites, so the first thing it has to do is to scan the whole frequency band until it finds some satellites. That takes time.
With cell phone triangulation, the GPS knows a rough position and time very very quickly. With that rough position it can calculate which satellites are roughly where, and on which frequency they should be received. So it doesn't scan the whole frequency band, but only the frequencies where the satellites actually are. Therefore, the assisted GPS finds its satellites much quicker. Once it has the satellites, cell phone data is completely irrelevant because it is so much less accurate.
Triangulation also reduces the time-to-first-fix by reducing the search space the GPS chip has to run correlations in, and by usually by sending up-to-date ephemeral data, which takes 15 minutes to download from the satellites.
The reason for GPSs getting lots better in the 90s was _not_ improvements in GPSs.
It was the removing of 'Selective Availability' - which was an intentional up-to-300m (usually 100mish) random bias applied to the GPS signal.
In 2000 this was turned off.
Also - hardware improved so it could track multiple satellites at once - compared to one of the earliest units.
No, it wouldn't. It would be much better to include the local figures. Apple typically doesn't just set its prices according to exchange rates, it sets them what it thinks would be best from a marketing and business perspective. With it being in the non local currencies we as readers are left pondering if that's what the price would be in pounds after a conversion from the actual price they will charge in local currencies, if they will take that figure and convert it to local currencies, or if that's the numeric value of the price with the wrong symbol attached. The correct thing to do is to provide both figures to allow both an easy comparison, while also an understanding into the actual price.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
This application is more expensive than just buying a dedicated gps device that will do a better job. I hope no one will buy this application and support it's ridiculous price.
Not exactly. There were substantial improvements in accuracy obtained in the 1990's - before SA was turned off. That was primarily due to improvements in software. Incorporating motion detection improve location accuracy in moving vehicles. I was working on such systems (for utilities) in those days. We also used laser range finders so we could position ourselves in a sunny intersection, wait until our location was stabilized and then shoot a number of targets (e.g. poles) in line of sight and record their locations. We had sub-meter accuracy doing this.
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I believe that the terms accuracy and availability are correctly applied here. How long does a cell phone user or car sit in one spot waiting for a GPS reading to stabilize? They don't. The faster they can get to a reasonably accurate reading then the more accurate and reliable their subsequent position readings will be as they are in motion. Also, if you write your software correctly, you can in fact incorporate cell phone triangulation in addition to you GPS samples and what offsets your motion detection gives you.
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Indeed, one example being that 99.99 U.S. dollars = 110.97891 Canadian dollars.
Already have one of those, includes laughing-at-you-because-you-asked-for-help upgrade.
I use a lot of GPS devices, but never a TomTom. I can't imaging spending $60 for any app on my iPhone, $9.99 is about as high as I will go.
Both my Vista HCX and iPhone with the built in map app will do directions. Did I already say $60 is a lot to spend on an app if the only real diffrence is it talks to you
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Please take advantage of using voice synthesis functions in the 3GS so we can take advantage of the excellent voice developed by Apple. In order to use these functions, several websites have discovered how to access this part of the API:
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The current voice just won't do. Need a voice synthesizer to help with driving. The Apple included one is much better.
I have an older Tom Tom One and an iPhone 3G. For me, this is almost the perfect combination except that Apple's paranoia regarding Bluetooth prevents me from connecting my Tom Tom to the iPhone to retrieve traffic data. Even after the big iPhone 3.0 update, which is supposed to allow more access to the phone through Bluetooth, there is still no word on this being addressed. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is on purpose so as to motivate users to buy the Tom Tom app instead of using the GPS they already have. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Apple typically doesn't just set its prices according to exchange rates, it sets them what it thinks would be best from a marketing and business perspective.
Good thing that this is a third party app, then. I guess TomTom would never set the price from a marketing and business perspective.
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Good point, it s tom tom not apple setting the pricing. I was aware of that, but I didn't make it clear enough in the post.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Yes, the 3G models use BOTH sattelite GPS and aGPS signals. GPS takes some time to coordinate your location. in the interum, the aGPS location quickly narrows your location to a few city blocks, allowing the initially collected GPS data from the first few sattelites it colects data from to provide a reasonable accuracy, followed by refinements as you get signals verified from the 6th, 7th, 8th, birds...
You'll notice you get reasonable location awareness in about 3-4 seconds, and after 15 seconds or so, it finally zooms in in your exact location and direction of travel.
once the full GPS signals are acquired, aGPS and the use of the cell transmitter is no longer required (unless you pass out of GPS line of sight, but still have cell coverage in which case aGPS resumes attempting to maintain your location and travel direction).
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please refer further comments to gizmodo.com (yeah, I don't even need to post the link).
This is slashdot remember, not a discussion forums about an app on a phone that likely 1/3 of the users here have.
As of now, 1:52PM PST, it is not available for sale in the US iTunes store.
It's showing up on the app store on my phone right now. Make sure you're searching for "tomtom" as "tom tom" returns no results.
Good point, it s tom tom not apple setting the pricing. I was aware of that, but I didn't make it clear enough in the post.
Yeah, if by "didn't make it clear enough" you mean "didn't mention it at all". The only proper noun you used at all in your post was "Apple".
I'm sure you knew that Tom Tom set the price, not Apple (although I'm not convinced you were consciously thinking that when you wrote your post), but either way, your "my bad" was very Bushian, where you say something that sounds like you're saying you messed up, but is really saying you didn't mess up at all, except perhaps in overestimating the intelligence of the reader ("I *thought* you knew what I was saying, but I guess I wasn't clear enough...").
Congratulations on discovering that there's an entire world outside your country's borders!
And now there even is an app to show him how to get there!
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This is so disappointing to me. I waited forever for TomTom to come out with their GPS app, but now there is no way they will get my business. I was willing to pay a little extra for guaranteed quality, but not that much. As it is, I will now be researching the competition. No matter how convincing anyone's arguments in defense of this price, I simply cannot afford it, end of story. The most I am able to shell out for the app AND the kit is $75. The most I would have been willing to shell out for the app alone is $40.
I've had to cutback recently due to a corporate wide pay cut, and my iPhone service itself survived only because I dropped my landline instead. Now they want me to pay as much for the freakin' app alone as I did for the GPS in my wife's car?!? Ain't gonna happen.
I had a conversation with a friend from Germany recently about the America-centric thinking of us Americans. She has been to dozens of countries, many by hitchhiking/backpacking across Europe. I had to stress the point that from where I am sitting, I can travel a thousand miles in any direction on land and still be in the same country. The impact that has on... cosmopolitanness is significant, compared to her being able to visit three countries *ON FOOT* in the same week.
Ok. How about " I suck". Is that strong enough? I usually don't consider slashdot postings to be the equivalent of grand jury testimony so I don't always run my postings by a series of editors, lawyers, and grand inquisitors. THere may be a mispelling or two. I may miss a company refrence, and put in one that doesn't apply, because it make sense to me. I don't always consider my audience. I routinely fail to quote my sources. I have been know to forget things, or remeber things that never happened. All in all, I would make a bad president of a taco stand, much less a country. Should I kill myself now, or do I have to apply for a permit for that?
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
I really don't care that you made a mistake. It's just your owning up to it that I was commenting on. Your defensiveness is not making it any better. First it was the reader's fault for not catching your subtlety, now it's my fault for being overly critical and demanding you post to slashdot as though it were a PhD thesis.
You never had to respond to the first person who pointed out that Apple didn't set the prices, but if you're going to, don't blame the poster if his point is valid.
The specific thing that struck me was when you said you weren't clear enough, about something you didn't include even a sliver of indication of. No big deal, you don't (necessarily) suck, you don't have to kill yourself.
Owning up to a mistake without the defensiveness, on the other hand, would be nice, but not required.
But whatever you do, don't blame me (or your other readers), your post wasn't our fault.
If only there was some kind of map program that was portable and allowed you to look at the places you were and where you could go.
I think there'd be a market for that.
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I don't think you understand that I'm not blaming anyone but myself. I am explaining that I write posts for myself. I *don't* think about what other people might think of the posts as I write them. My " not being clear" should translate to " Not thinking of anyone else but myself", rather than " Its your fault". Its not defensiveness, but an admission of selfishness. My posts are often written in my own internal language. Its not anyone's fault they don't understand.
You assumed that I was blaming others and treating it as if I was trying to duck responsibility for being unclear. My previous response was trying to ( in a humorous over the top way which you obviously didn't get because it was written in my own internal language) say that I wasn't trying to duck blame in a bushian manor. You obviously don't speak Bill. I hope this is closer to the language you humans know as "english".
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
I was contemplating this app and the issue where an incoming call will stop the GPS Nav app. Uhm. That's probably a good thing, but the opposite should response should be an option -- not accept incoming calls and keep the app running. When you are driving and using a GPS nav app on your iPhone, I would HOPE that the priority activity would be driving and not answering the phone.
I'm not going to get holier than anyone else and say that I don't talk and drive. I do. I have even used my google maps while driving. I'm not proud of it but I know it's the wrong thing to be doing and if my GPS drive app disabled incoming phone calls, I'd probably leave that feature enabled because it would actually be for the best.
Android has AndNav, TeleNav, and CoPilot for turn by turn navigation. I have an Android phone not an iPhone, but based on the fact that the apple app store has 10x the content the android market does, there were probably already some apps doing this. Am I wrong? My CoPilot plug: $35 and it has the same functionality (or so it seems to me, once again, no iPhone).
Whenever someone says something like, "I'm wrong", or "you're right, I messed up", or whatever, every extra thing you add translates to, "but I'm not really wrong".
I believe you're being honest, but even here, you aren't saying, "you're right, I said Apple, shoulda said Tom Tom" or whatever, you're saying, "you're right, I'm selfish and write for myself", which is not the accusation.
I realize your defenses are up, and the next step often goes, "ok, I was wrong. Satisfied?" and it's that "satisfied?" at the end that ruins it, like it's still my fault your post was wrong and I shouldn't be making a fuss about it.
But we don't have to play this dance out forever. I'll be fine if you never apologize (you don't even need to) without qualifying it somehow. All I'm saying is that if you are going to apologize (or cop to a mistake or whatever), don't qualify it. It just makes things worse.
And I wouldn't have even said anything in the first place except that your original qualification was rather... ambitious :D
I understand everything you are saying. But, you don't speak meta Billish. I was trying to explain it to you, because its more interesting than the art of apologizing. I don't know why I try sometimes.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Hmmm as a TomTom owner I can't help but feel a little ripped off. The price of the iPhone app including maps is considerably less than the cost of upgrading to the newest maps on the TomTom itself.
Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?
Holy Crap! Australia is using Pounds as currency now. Hey Sathington Willoughby, I bet you 2 bob on the frisky mare.
That's not motion detection - if you're stationary.
Also - before SA was turned off - if you were using standard GPSs, in order to get a average position within a meter, you needed to average for over a week.
Unless you were - as you probably were - doing differential GPSs - which was using a seperate GPS at a known base-station to transmit errors due to selective availability, and correct the nearby surveying GPS.
I didn't say that motion detection was used when stationary. Read it again.
"If you were using standard GPSs"? What do you mean? We were using Trimble GPS chip sets in ruggadized PCs with an external GPS antenna. We had 6 receivers. It didn't take a week because we used some clever software along with additional data such as digital maps. If you have a digital map and you can either position yourself on a known location or point to one with a range finder, you can get a pretty good coordinate. Add a GPS that has sat on or within range of a well known location like an intersection for 30 minutes and you would have very good accuracy. When in motion in a vehicle driving on a road marked on your digital map you can ignore locations that don't fall on the road. Combine that with motion sensors and a known starting point and again, you can also get pretty good data.
Math and software are pretty powerful tools.
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Yeah, I figured this out on my own just now, but thanks for the info. That's pretty weak. (But so am I for not figuring it out.)
I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.
I'm assuming that most people who read this live in one of those countries or unions, so unless you wanted to google exchange rate and then figure out an estimate, it would be easier for people interested in buying it. Who cares if it costs more one place or another? That sucks for you, but there's nothing you can do about it.
That would mean the only currency listed that would be useless is Franks.
Franks don't exist anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro
I know that Wikipedia isn't a trustworthy source, but...
Has the old saint in his forest not yet heard of it? That God is dead?
Franks don't exist anymore.
Aren't you forgetting Switzerland?
The current exchange rates for Swiss Franks are here.
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Have you looked at the price of maps recently? They've dropped substantially since TomTom bought Navteq. I just paid less than $50 for a year's worth of map updates from TomTom for my 630 for all of North America (any and all map updates they release for 12 months).
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TomTom bought Tele Atlas. It's Nokia that bought Navteq.
Right sorry, but same outcome :-)
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Actually yes, I did forget about Switzerland.
Has the old saint in his forest not yet heard of it? That God is dead?
It looks like the price has dropped, but maps for Australia are still $99.95 AUD which equals around $82 USD at the moment.
But the price of new maps is still so high that you might as well buy a new GPS with all the latest features, or go for the iPhone option.
Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?