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CCP Announces Console MMO Tie-In To the EVE Universe
Hork_Monkey writes "CCP Games, developer of the popular MMO EVE Online, has announced a new game called Dust 514. Building on the EVE universe, this game will provide planetary combat from an RTS and FPS perspective, with significant impact into the space combat aspects of EVE Online. Love or hate EVE Online, this appears to be an innovative way to expand the overall universe by catering to a different gamer audience. A video with a trailer and further explanation was posted from GDC Europe."
That seems like an interesting first.
I've heard that there is a "walk around in stations" change coming to E.O. Does that mean that once this is in place, you will have to be careful when walking around stations? I guess it might allow for station taking missions where you have to fight your way through the station. That could be cool I guess, But EVE is pretty complex as it is.
CCP has always been doing a good job before. Maybe it'll still be fun in the end. I do hope for a PC version toguh, and then running them both :P.
About 4 months now, I was playing wow for a few years and just needed a change.
The universe is complex, but the training and progression system is unbelievable. I have friends int he service who are on duty for sometimes weeks at a time. They are progresssing at the exact same pace that the rest of us are that might play 3-4 nights a week. After about 6 months, you're competent with just about anything you want to do, and then further specialization allows for deeper access to ships and better equipment.
The difference i like between EVE and WoW, you don't really need to raid to get into a decent ship and get good equipment. Just about everyone has access to everything in the game. Just fly to Jita and buy what you're looking for :)
Massively has run another wrap-up article on the announcement: http://www.massively.com/2009/08/18/ccp-games-reveals-new-eve-online-console-mmo-dust-514/ Details on how exactly this will impact 0.0 soverignty are scarce and as usually happens with the EVE forum when big announcements occur, people are assuming the worst. It's an ambitious plan that has the potential to extend EVE into the console market but there's a lot that could go wrong with it. If past experience is anything to go by though, CCP are certainly capable of doing the "impossible".
I thnk it's pretty nice that eve manages to make big news time and time again. The game is already complex and very interesting and ever-changing. This will just add another layer to it, increasing the complexity but also giving eve's universe a chance to interest non-MMORPG people. Yes, i know this new game is called an MMO, but you're using guns. You need to aim. It's not goign to be an MMO, it's going to be an fps with MMO elements, like call of duty already has. The big difference will be the dependancy on you from another game - wich is completely unique. CCP is really trying to make a good game here, and with their history i would like to see how this ends up.
More important, when discussing an EVE tie-in, is the fact that spreadsheets require a keyboard, and optionally a mouse, for best results...
I'm going to be hiring Dust soldiers to do my bidding
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I guess I was mistaken when I thought I enjoyed playing Halo. Thanks for setting me straight.
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You've obviously never seriously played any PC FPS. Designing for console controller means dumbing down the game with slower pace and autoaim. All console FPSs are casual games.
Doing a good job making the game enjoyable? Eve? That's debatable.
My big concern is that typical console gamers are about as far removed from Eve players as they are from people who snapped up Barbie Horse Adventures.
I read the internet for the articles.
Again, thanks for setting me straight on how superior your tastes in gaming are compared to us uneducated, unwashed masses.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
He didn't say anything about Halo being fun or not. Just that PC is a better platform for it. I agree for 2 reasons.
Mouse and keyboard is a better control system. Console controllers are gimp. At least 4 fingers are wasted simply holding it. That's if you use the horribly uncomfortable and unergonomic claw style. 6 otherwise.
Number of people in battle. On PC my team is often the same size or larger as the whole battle on console.
I find being offended by me offensive.
sure there are less of keyboard options but if you have a maxshooter 360,
you can program it to use a mouse and keyboard on Xbox 360
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"Both FPSs and RTSs require keyboard+mouse control to be enjoyable. This game is certainly going to suck."
He didn't say halo wasn't fun, he said it is impossible to have fun playing it without a mouse + keyboard. I really don't understand why people have such a problem with controllers. Yeah they arent as good as mouse + keyboard, but they aren't unplayable. I should think the massive success of console FPS games would be a bit of a hint that a large amount of people don't mind using a controller. And yes, quite a few of those people have played FPS games with a mouse + keyboard.
That's the idea. This move is meant to pull in the Halo monkeys of the world who are in it to run-shoot-run.
The idea as I understand it is to have corps issue contracts for battles on planet surfaces. The battles determine regional control of planets, which ultimately determines control of the whole planet. Control the major planets of a system and you control the system, and so on up the scale to entire constellations and regions of space.
The shooters get their fun by fighting the ground battles for whoever pays them the most. The Corporate Overlords of EvE issue mercenary contracts and use the shooters as pawns in the much larger game/metagame. Both sides will (in theory) get a much richer experience from this move.
It's a huge gamble and I hope it pays off for CCP. My only wish is that they port the game to the PC so that I can enjoy it, because I have no intention of shelling out $350+ for a game console.
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I don't think it's going to suck for fans of FPS.
But I question CCP's premise that "console gamers want FPS games". IMHO, there are far, far too many FPS's available for consoles, and console gamers are desperate for deeper, and more varied games.
I have basically stopped playing my 360 because the games themselves seem so limited in terms of genre and gameplay.
I'd love to see EVE for the 360, or any MMO for that matter. I think the fundamental question that needs to be asked of console-game developers is: Why and who decided that MMO's, as one of the most successful and profitable genres of game for the PC, would not work on the 360? It pains me to see MMO's finally brought to consoles, only to see them reduced to yet another FPS.
Sigh.
I won't be playing this game, not because it's an MMO, but because I can't bear to touch yet another FPS.
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I've played FPS games on consoles and I've played seriously on my PC. I enjoy both. Why is it that some many people like care how someone plays an FPS or RTS game and then get all worked up over the fact that people enjoy them on consoles. The world isn't this black and white were you can only enjoy playing games either on your PC or your console.
I'm curious how they're going to go about this. For the most part people who play EVE don't do much FPS, and vice versa. Without an overlap in the player base, they'll be essentially making a completely different game for a different demographic. So what's the point of trying to tie the two together?
You know that friend of yours who has different music tastes than you, who will go on for hours about how his favorite musicians don't lip-sync, how they write their own songs, etc? You know, the guy who everyone rolls their eyes at and avoids at parties (lest he go on a long rant about how crappy pop music is today and how the obscure shit he likes is so superior in every way)? You know that smug douchebag?
Well that's what it's like to listen to a PC snob.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I have played all the Quakes, Unreals, and Half-Lifes, including CS semi-professionally. Guess what? I have fun playing Halo as well. Just because a superior control scheme exists for a game, doesn't mean that people can't enjoy the game on it's own merits.
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- is grind free (you play to play, not just to get the next *ding*)
- doesn't have straight jacket classes
- has a shallow power curve (and therefore no noobstomping)
- has no currency (and therefore no gold farmers, no buying of virtual items, no twinking)
- requires some skill (as opposed to letting equations and die rolls do the work)
- encourages/rewards teamwork, but also allows solo play
- rewards strategy and tactics
- has massive maps
- can have up to 150 vs. 150 vs. 150 on one map
- Does not reset every X minutes, or when the "round" is over (anything you conquer stays yours for as long as you can hold it)
- allows for multiple play styles (stealth, flight, infantry, armor, power armor suits, support, sniping etc)
Download the SOE Station Client and then the PlanetSide 14 day trial client. Create a Vanu Sovereignty character on the Gemini (US) server. Around 1930 Eastern, look for players with the tag "Ghosts of the Revolution". That's my outfit (guild). They will help you get started. We have weekly raids on Thursday of 30 to 90 players organized into divisions and using TeamSpeak. My primary character is N1H1L (Nihil).
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Will there be a PC VERSION ?!?!?! EVE is great fun and I almost died last year when they started talking about FPS combat for EVE. I have too much money in my PC as it is I don't want a reason to buy a consol. Plus I F***ing hate thumb sticks.
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I am curious about the RTS aspect of this game, not much has been said on it. Also, what does DUST 514 mean?
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In the top-right corner of this page is an advert* for the following site: http://mmorpged.net/eve/ ** ...but I don't know where to report it to.
IT IS A SCAM
* for those of you not blocking ads. I myself have the slashdot "Ads disabled" checkbox immediately below that ad ticked, rather than running adblock on this site, but the advert's still there for some reason.
** url is not a link to protect the stupid
If you go to that crazy page and read, it talks about "owning your server", "leveling" and "if you just want the ISK for your mount". NONE OF THESE APPLY TO EVE. EVE is a one server game, your character doesn't "level up" and you don't buy a "mount" with lots of currency. The page is a copy of another advert scam page, and they haven't even made it match the game they are scamming for, more than changing the currency. It even says "strategies that [...] make kama for you!". Kama is the currency from the Dofus, which unsuprisingly they ALSO have a page for: http://www.mmorpged.net/dofus/
The Everquest 2 page on the same site is better: http://www.mmorpged.net/everquest2/
It says "all you have to do is take the link here to order your copy of EVE Ultimate gold Guide." (whoops, wrong game) and if you click the order link it invoices you for "Lord of the Rings Online Gold Guide". Clever.
Now, does anyone know where I could report it to google (ads) as a scam?
It's common knowledge that EVE stands for "Excel with Visual Effects".
Yea, he appreciates music, you listen to distorted crap with no dynamic range and full of autotune artifacts, and prefer to ignore him because hey, fitting in with mainstream is what it's really about isn't it. How dare he claim his music is better.
You know what you do to that douche? Yell in his ears. Shove a rockband drumstick up the PC douche's ass, it has about the same effect. And then you can tell him, "'The right tool for the job buddy." And then you can post on Slashdot about how awesome your console is. Cause this isn't just asinine. I'm gonna go play Super Mario World, on my iPhone. Wrap your console/pc hate riddled minds around that one.
Who the fuck modded this douchebag up?
I would say YHBT, but apparently the level of heterosexualness of this place has dropped by a degree of 10 Clay Aikens.
Fuck you and the unicorn you rode in on, bitch.
...and that douchebag is soo right.
What I find funniest is that you think being a 'hardcore' gamer is something to be proud of, rather than ashamed.
I've played FPSs since Wolfenstein 3D, some would say obsessively. The level of hardcore I'm talking about can be summed up looking at the game list I played at the bottom. I got tired of upgrading my PC every two years (downing a console's worth of money each time), keeping up with what's the best bang-for-buck setup (I just want to play), aimbotting and dealing with incompatibilities between hardware components and/or software.
Bought a PS3 and haven't played a PC game since (except Nethack). It just works. Killzone 2 is the only FPS I've played extensively, and it's good. I played the campaign almost through to acquaint myself with the controller, and now it's second nature.
Of course it has slower pace, but that doesn't make it less harder, or more casual. It's just as enjoyable as TO:AOT, TCE, NS (as such a serious PC gamer as you are I'm sure you're familiar with those) or BF2 - without the hassle that comes with PCs I just mentioned. No autoaim, either.
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Quake and such are reliant on sub-100 ms pings etc to be played optimally due to the accuracy of your input devices. Not only is that kind of precision not possible using a controller, we are also dealing with a single server architecture... Thus you will always have what ever the lag is to London.
That is imo the reason why they're going console, in addition to the hackability issue, where they can go more tactical rather than twitch based.
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footage was 'slipped' into one of the speeches during fanfest last year and they also showed off the planetary interface. this has probably been in the works for the last two years already.
i look forward to it as it will add a new dynamic to the mmo while giving a new view into the universe. i have an xbox and an sli-pc so if it comes out on either i will be happy.
I would give everything i own for a little bit more.
In the video Hilmar mentioned that the number 514 had some signifficance in the gameworld. Has anyone figured out what that is?
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"I should think the massive success of console FPS games would be a bit of a hint that a large amount of people don't mind using a controller."
Invalid conclusion. They may not have tried both. Once they realize the problems with console controllers they may agree that they're crap for FPS.
Yeah this is actually pretty freaken amazing if they pull this off correctly. I'm not sure how they will actually run it so planets win. I'm worried they may try to do something like, 5 'maps' each named after a planet, then a +win/loss for a side at the end of the day decides who gets the resources from the planet. Have to watch out for win trading and other stuff like that.
I hope they can pull this off, and go deeper with it. Its kind of like the mech warrior leagues that I always wanted to be um, more detailed. They would have a star map, then basically fight quick mech warrior battles, but they were set up such that the mechs and weapons they used were based on what resources were available on the strategic map. Based on the outcome, control of the planet or whatever would be determined on the in game play.
I'm with you though, I really won't be touching this on the console, my hands are wired for pc FPS and something about paying for xbox live gold itches me the wrong way. It's definitely a 'get off my lawn' move on my part, but meh. If they had this for the pc I'd be all over it.
I know they are tapping a bigger audience here with consoles, AND they have the chance to suck in people who play and enjoy dust to try out EVE, potentially reaching a bigger audience. Still, I would almost see dust as something that would work well with the PC, since all EVE players are by nature pc users, and I am sure a lot of eve people would love to mine crap in one window and blow up people while on dust. But I guess they can do that on the console, maybe thats another of their thought patterns.
Anyway, this is a pretty unique and cool idea, I hope they pull it off, I'd love to see it in action.
You've obviously never seriously fought in any wars. Designing for the PC means dumbing down the combat with unrealistic physics and click and shoot aiming. All PC gamers are pussies.
Do you see how dumb you sound? I have played FPS competitively (and done quite well) and still enjoyed playing the halo series. Yeah, KB+mouse is what I prefer...but I don't run off labeling people who like console FPS's. You just come off like some nutso screaming at a town hall meeting.
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So which GM should I pay off with the new expansion to get all of the good rare items?
The problem with these games is trying to bring new people into this game. The game and economy are so established that it will be very difficult to make it up higher in the ranks of the other players.
I am the type of gamer where I am a perfectionist. I always go for a 1000 gamer score per 360 game, and will feel stuck on a game until I do it.
With something like Eve, the economy and game are so massive that it will be difficult to take out the highest people in the highest guilds to make yourself the top dog
I cannot believe something as interesting as this is a blurb that never hit the front page.
Consoles are the epitome of auto-aim no skill game play so I am not sure what you are talking about. And vendor lock-in means you are at the mercy of what ever Sony does and there will never be a free game you can play (and games will always be over prices relative to PC games). A budget rig costs $600 and will run Crysis at full settings. I have not updated my rig in 2 years and will likely only need a new video card to get another 2 years of use out of it. On top of all that, PC gaming is just more fun is you actually like skill based play rather than bland most common denominator easy mechanics (and the limitations of a console controller vs an actual keyboard and mouse)