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Nokia Unveils Its First Netbook
andylim writes "Today Nokia unveiled its first netbook that runs Windows and packs an Intel Atom processor. The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display. Recombu.com has listed the specs, which include an SD card reader, Bluetooth, GPS, 3G, HSDPA (3.5G), Wi-Fi, an HDMI port for HD video out and a front-facing camera for video calling. According to Nokia, the Booklet will provide 12 hours of battery life."
I haven't seen any price estimates. Anyone know what it might go for? Looks great though.
How disappointing, I thought they were working on Maemo and other cool Linux stuff? Are those only considered fit for PDAs and (eventually) phones? Of course Nokia can try to become another Dell if they want to, but why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?
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But can I use it as a 10-inch phone?
I've read (and saw once) that the Netbooks with Atom processors have issues with having enough processing power to handle HD video. (though basical video played fine) Whats the point of the HDMI video out if it has issues with HD video?
I would love to see an ARM netbook from Nokia, none of this Atom crap
"The Nokia Booklet 3G is the first Nokia device to feature a full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display"
nope.
Weird that is uses Windows since they bought KDE.
Using the power of marketing.
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Got to have something for the 2010 netbook line up.
[HDMI is] the only reasonable choice of connector if you want to interface your laptop to a modern TV.
Every HDTV or monitor I've seen with HDMI or DVI in also has VGA in. In addition, VGA has the advantage that adapters to use a PC with a non-modern TV or a DVD recorder support it.
..boring. Yawn! Or is it just me? Sure it looks a little slicker than some of the others, but it's still unimpressive. HD video out? Nice. Now only if it had enough CPU power to play HD video.
they bought Trolltech which develops the QT library.
I did say, "full-sized keypad and a 10-inch display." Does the MikroMikko1 have a 10-inch display?
Doing what? Being in standby mode? Or actually using anything? Even my EEEPC 1000 says 7-8 hours of battery life and I get 4-4.5 using wifi/internet or watching video. So I'm guessing this will have 5-6 hours of actual use battery life.
That device has a full sized keyboard.
Obviously Nokia knows the future of computing input is a large 12 button keypad. I expect the texting speeds will be quite high.
(Funnily enough, the photo in the article seems to show the netbook as completely lacking a keypad.)
If I put Ubuntu on it, can I still make phone calls with the built-in GSM/HSDPA?
Waiting for detailed specs. If the hardware is supported under Linux, I don't mind blowing away the pre-installed Windows. It's not like they put the O/S in ROM.
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The battery lasts 12 hours while in hibernate mode.
Yeah that's bollocks. I happen to have an old keyboard made by Nokia right next to me. Currently attached to my FreeBSD box. I think it came from one of the last MikroMikko models. It's old enough not to have any windows keys in it. And I do recall using the MikroMikko as a youngster when it was all DOS. So yeah, nokia used to make PC's back in the days before they started doing only mobile telephone tech.
why is another Windows PC considered Slashdot front page material?
My guess is that the majority of slashdot readers use Windows. Many of them won't admit it (here), much in the same way a fan of pop music will keep mum when he sits down at a cafeteria table he suspects is populated exclusively with sniffy jazz enthusiasts, but that only makes them a Silent Majority.
Slashdot has grown way, way, beyond it's Linux / Buffy / Anime roots, as has "geekdom" itself. It would be foolish for the editors not to acknowledge this by not running stories of interest to "mainstream tech enthusiasts," who I suspect are the majority of its readers.
FWIW, I've been using Linux since 1994, but still have a Windows box because I need to run some client's apps that are Windows-only. Both OS's have their failings, both have their charms.
I was not referring to a numeric keypad obviously but I can understand how that could be taken to mean one.
I wonder when netbook makers will incorporate 3G in their products. Seeing the specs of some smartphones I found myself wondering where the line between them and netbooks should be drawn. Apart from screen size, the difference is small. So, if Asus, Acer and othernetbook makers start to include a slot for a SIM card, the difference will definitively only be in size.
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Can I drop it onto concrete from ear height, Snap the cover back on, replace the battery and find it continues to work like nothing happend? It's always been a feature of Nokia phones that I've loved.
...the usual scaling for actual battery life? 0.5 * (Figure provided by vendor) = (hours of useful work)?
after buying an e63 and feeling like i've paid for buying battery powered feces i wouldn't trust nokia to design or engineer a matchstick
the manufacturing is shoddy at best, the software is flaky and the support is laughable (two firmware updates later and the only difference i can see is that the equalizer doesn't work when you've got the headphones plugged in)
if you want i can give examples and photos.
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Unless they're giving it away for free, I'm not interested in Yet Another Netbook until they can make it do something other than webmail. My baseline is Hulu HD. Anything less is a PDA.
I see a lot of posts so far...blah blah no linux blah blah disappointing, no linux blah blah blah.
People need to get real! If Nokia had entered what is gearing up to be a very aggressive market with a linux based netbook, I would have expect the BOD to fire the CEO right away!
Asus tried it already and it failed. People who buy a netbook want it to work just like their laptop. They want to share the same documents and have the same user interface.
The fact is, this Nokia netbook looks great. It's got loads of stuff on it and is slick as snot. If it's not too expensive, I will be buying one myself and no..I wont be installing Linux.
It means they are finally starting to figure out the technology in the Roswell saucer.
Withing a couple of years we'll having flying cars, interstellar spaceships, rayguns and a robot uprising. After that the aliens will come back and wipe us out for being a bunch of irresponsible, upstart monkeys.
Still it'll be quite a ride.
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"Its first netbook that runs Windows"
What was did its first netbook ever run? This article doesn't say
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Asus 1101 HA gets 11+ hours, but the Atom processor included is one of the Z series (that can be overclocked to get an N series speed, but reducing battery life). Playing creatively with conditions on which you get that runtime you could get up to 12hs, i suppose.
Intel Atom by itself is garbage.
On the other hand, an Intel Atom with an NVIDIA GPU is called ION.
I'd buy it if it had an ION, I do like the durability of NOKIA hardware.
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Slashdot has grown way, way, beyond it's Linux / Buffy / Anime roots, as has "geekdom" itself.
I must have used the wrong roots.
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You don't know them enough. Nokia always chooses whatever fits to that particular product. Netbook? Windows for them.
It is not like Nokia is your average Windows hater company. It is kinda blurry on OS X with iSync etc. but Nokia smart phones best works with Windows on the other end. It is basic as that. Their Nokia Multimedia Transfer (still beta) could have been released for OS X but there is nothing to fill PC Suite's place on OS X. I would be very very surprised if they contributed a single line to KDE's sync solutions, even after Qt acquisition.
This is a company who pays millions to Trolltech (while they are doing extremely fine) and release first Qt for S60 demo in .exe form! After I see that page (link below) I went to all IRC channels I frequent to take my "Use Nokia, it is cool with Python, open, Qt is coming too" suggestions back. For most people, it is Ovi App store which made people lose their hopes. For me? It was that basic blog entry meant no harm but showed what kind of waste Nokia did by purchasing Qt. Thank God, Qt is GPL and already has gigantic prestige in commercial development with a huge community on Linux&BSD.
http://pepper.troll.no/s60prereleases/
I am sure they forced the early release, something OTHER THAN WINDOWS will be supported at one point but just imagine a Qt&Linux developers face when he is greeted with .exe with the excuse of emulator being WINDOWS ONLY. I really hope Nokia is more ashamed than me. Yes, I actually feel ashamed for doing their PR work to Developers for free, with information making complete sense but wrong.
Nokia finally releases N97 to their still remaining fanbase at Europe&Parts of Asia for a price which is possibly higher than a "real laptop" (think like average joe or hans) with 12&24 month contracts and 780 Euros price in some areas when bought without contract.
I don't hear good things about N97 and besides some usual Symbian haters, some makes huge sense and they have a good point like the usual device flash/SD card schizophrenia, things being there but not performing well (Facebook) and very mixed signals with the latest Linux based netbook like thing.
Now they release this information for what reason exactly? To make more remaining customers of high end bang their heads to wall? One doesn't need to be a commercial spy to figure this has a big deal to do with MS Office deal with MSFT. The deal which didn't do anything but guaranteed state of the art Quickoffice to be abandoned for Symbian and moved to iPhone at some point in the future.
Dude were using xorg, not Windows.
The article is about Nokia's "netbook that runs Windows". What file would you recommend editing to get extra resolutions to show up in Windows?
Buy a S40 cheap Nokia phone with 3G connectivity support. You will be amazed at its durability, speed and battery life. Combine it with a netbook from a company who really knows how things work and not at schizoid state like Nokia, be happy.
I am telling it as a owner of 2 high end Nokia Symbian devices. Stay away. They have no clue where they are heading.
in my experience, HDTVs all allow 1024x768. i have an mplayer command to adjust the aspect ratio for me.
There are a couple problems with blowing up a 1024x768 pixel signal to cover a 1366x768 pixel screen, especially outside mplayer:
But on my Vizio TV, pushing the WIDE button when switching between maximized video and the web works around this.
There is some Nokia fan mod lately on slashdot who keeps getting mod points until someone finally meta-moderate his mod abuse. Unfortunately, it seems he/she has never, ever used Nokia devices, especially smart phones with Windows.
Nokia PC Suite for Windows weights 450MB after install unless one wasn't lucky(!) enough to install their .NET only apps like Map Loader which itself is 20 MB but needs 2 GB .NET to run.
I didn't say a word about the bulk of stuff added to startup which may result in 2-3 minute boots if the machine&hd is slow and fragmented.
Dear Moderator, stay away from Nokia stories on Slashdot or at least install Nokia PC Suite&others before you moderate. Now flamebait me too.
I don't get it.
How many manufactures are going to build these things. I know they are wildly popular due to cost, but come on, they are all the same.
They all use the same hardware. They all pretty much use the same software. Some look slightly different, maybe.
Atom 1.6ghz. 1GB RAM. 160GB HD. Wifi etc... big honking deal.
Maybe they will change something who knows.
I also notice that it has a HDMI port for HD out... um why? Other than you brag you have it I see this as somewhat useless. Will it have video that can handle HD? Likely not. Will it have a HD that you can store lots of HD stuff on? Not really. Will it have a BluRay optical drive? Um No. Is watching HD on a 10 in screen stupid? Likely yes.
No idea what HSDPA is? Though it says (3.5G) which sounds like a cell network protocol. Which is great if it is in your area, of which they likely only cover metro areas or 2% of the actual area...
Oh yeah and 12 hours battery life? OK at this point EVERYONE knows they all lie through their teeth about battery time, but really do you think we are all stupid now. Have we gotten the the point where the lies don't have to be plausible. All they need now is some disclaimer someplace that says that it was tested with nothing running, the power off, closed, and that is the natural dissipation rate of their battery and includes no usage, or in other words a totally pointless and worthless test of capability.
While PC Suite is fairly bulky, it's more along the lines of 50 MB, not 450. And let's face it, this is 2009. Even if it really was 450 MB it would hardly matter.
That said, it is rather annoying, but no one's forcing you to install it. In fact, apart from maybe backups/syncing and sending messages through it, you can do just about anything PC Suite can do with your favourite tool for the job.
I know it's a bit off topic... but does anyone know what the music is in their commercial?
Why, no, I haven't meta-moderated lately. Thanks for asking!
We are not Symbian haters - we hate that Nokia (and Sony Ericsson) do not fully use Symbians potential. Like S60 the Userinterface on top of Symbian. Yuck. But that will - hopefully - be replaced by Qt soon.
Analogy of the day: If someone hates Gtk that does not imply he / she hates Linux as well.
I wonder what sort of performance you'd get running the Windows Firefox build under Wine?
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It works in the lab and is darn impressive. Once the corroding cathode issue is solved, it'll be ready for mainstream.
Maybe the Nokia engineers *did* solve it?
Nah... 12 hours = prolly just marketing.
Except that FT of Germany is full of shit and had no basis for any of that except a few rumours off the net. Real quality reporting.
And how the hell do you arrive at 620 > 1000?!? Or how about the UK price. iPhone 3GS, 919.99 pounds or the N97, 454.99 pounds.
I would say your have a problem with your argument.
Uh, and Nokia does make a 3G USB modem.
And how the hell do you arrive at 620 > 1000?!? Or how about the UK price. iPhone 3GS, 919.99 pounds or the N97, 454.99 pounds.
I would say your have a problem with your argument.
Uh, and Nokia does make a 3G USB modem.
How the hell did you arrive at the price of a 3GS at £919.99? Have you been mistaken a MacBook or iMac for 1?? The price of a 16G 3GS is £440, the 32G £539 (on O2 PARG, which you can straightaway stop paying, JB/Unlock and use a different SIM And the N97 is £499, not £454.99 according to the Nokia website. If we are going to compare plans etc. and look at overall costs, then we should again look at comparable plans, and again we see the N97 on a contract aboput the same as the iPhone (which 16G you can get for free on), only difference being "unlimited" texts on the Vodafone contract. So try and get your facts right before posting some completely wrong (and wrong to the extent that 30 secs research could disprove) numbers to try and support your case. The effective difference between the 32GS is for £40 more you get a faster processor, nicer overall phone, better UI, llthough no expandable memory
Try Expansys and weep.
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=183742
You are cheating and that is not comparing the same thing. It is not legal to break your contract by jailbreaking and unlocking your phone.
I am talking about a totally carrier free unlocked phone. No contract, no subsidies. And in that case Apple is reaming your ass totally.
So, I am afraid that you are the one who is totally wrong and should check your facts.
What do you get from 620 Euros and what kind of money you should spend just to fix interface issues, browser issues and even video play performance issues?
We got a company in hand who acquires Trolltech, maker of state of art multiplatform SDK and continue to ship .NET crap.
Wasted enough karma really... Yea, N97 is cheaper...
PC Suite is QT as far as I know. Ovi Suite 1.0 is .NET, but 2.0 (still badly beta) is written in QT...
You are cheating and that is not comparing the same thing. It is not legal to break your contract by jailbreaking and unlocking your phone.
I am talking about a totally carrier free unlocked phone. No contract, no subsidies. And in that case Apple is reaming your ass totally.
So, I am afraid that you are the one who is totally wrong and should check your facts.
How I am cheating? I am comparing the same thing (unless you are now claiming that the Nokia is sold WITHOUT subsidy, which therefore mean it is a cheaper phone than the iPhone becuase, well, it is much cheaper to make. Just because the O2 PAYG phone are subsidised slightly does NOT make it a bad thing for you to take advantage of this rather than stupidly paying over the odds for an already unlocked one. here I repeat my point regarding SIM-less phones in case you didn't understand my point of you not comparing like for like. If you buy a PAYG, you are NOT obligated in ANY WAY to continue using it after a month [on O2]. There is NO contract involved. IT is NOT ILLEGAL to unlock a phone as there are no laws AT ALL on this issue (ie. it is not illegal to unlock it, but the networks THEMSELVES do not have to unlock it for you). This applies EVEN to a contract phone (which we have ALREADY said that we are not considering due to a contract being, well a contract, where you would keep paying for the network usage regardless) So to summarise, I could either a) Exercise my consumer rights by taking advantage of the subsidy O2 generously applies to the PAYG iPhones, then after 1 months usage (and OUTSIDE of any contract) unlock it (yes,you dont need to JB it) TOTALLY WITHIN THE LAW it so I then had the carrier free phone you are claiming to compare. This iPhone would then cost (depending on which memory capacity) £439 or £539 (plus the 1 months £30 odd PAYG usage that O2 ask you to buy instore when you get the PARG phone). Yes this took advantage of subsidies, but so what? Surely if I am the one gaining benefit of the subsidies it is me "reaming O2s ass totally" (NOT Apple, who have already made their money through the O2 subsidy). or b) Go your way, allow NOT Apple but Expansys who are offering this Italian iPhone to "ream my ass totally" to quote you and pay almost double that £919,99 for a carrier free, unlocked iPhone. This offer has NOTHING to do with Apple, who do not support/endorse it, so how are they as a company "reaming my ass totally" on a phone which I can get for much cheaper, legally, using their approved distribution channels, this is purely a company who have seen a niche and decided to exploit those mal-informed muppets why importing Italian iPhones than charging extortionate amounts to do so. PS: IF you still do not believe that getting the subsidy paid for by O2 is a good idea than you only have to google "Apple iPhone SIM Unlocked" and it comes up with many traders who can import the Italian iPhones for you for around £550-£600, nowhere NEAR the £919.99 from the other site. PPS; If you want to dispute my use of the words Italian iPOhone it is because it is well known that in Italy it is totally illegal to sell any phone with ANY degree of locked-ness (there may be other countries, eg Finland i think) so it is frequently the place where people will import them so you can use them anywhere.
Getting touchy are we?
This whole thread started because it was pointed out that the N97 was expensive. But that was the SIM free price.
I just showed that when comparing apples with apples the N97 is much cheaper than the iPhone, which it is. You can get the N97 on contract for free, but the iPhone always costs.
This is not because the N97 is much cheaper, but because Apple is charging you more. Just like you pay more for a Macbook than you do for an equivalent PC.
And to get a subsidized phone you take a contract, usually 18 or 24 months. If you unlock your contract phone how does that help anything? You still have to pay the monthly fee and it includes an extra charge to cover the phone! O2 has to make their money somewhere. So you haven't gotten anything cheaper! Stop paying and see what happens.
no not touchy, just pointing out that your response was erroneous. You CAN get the iPhone free on contract (I got mine free). APPLE do not charge more, the Tele-com providers do. Also, the iPhone IS a more expensive phone - IIRC the cost to BUILD the iPhone is something like £150 not including the price to design, tool the machinery, pay for patents, the R&D, advertise, ship, etc. When combining these costs, it is estimated IIRC that to break EVEN Apple need to sell the phones to the customer (the telecom companys; the user is the end user)for aroudn the £350 mark) O2 ARE subsidizing the phone when they sell it on PAYG - which is not a contract, as they take a small loss on each phone sold this way. And as my point was originally, the price of the SIM free N97 is not much cheaper (in fact, comparing it to the 16G 3GS means it works out more expensive!); you tried to compare the N97 to the iPhone to show the N97 was way cheaper and failed. This is because the PAYG phone IS, essentially, the same as the SIM free N97 with 1 proviso - that with the iPhone you (or a 3rd party) have to unlock the phone, rather than Nokia; which is NOT illegal. And I didn't read the entire thread, so missed the point which pointed out that the N97 was expensive - so was just responding to your claims that the iPhone was expensive. Interestingly, I read, beause of the price of the N97 in the US is MORE than that of the iPhone (neither SIM free), to sweeten the deal they are chucking in a free Dell laptop with it! How cool is that! (althoughdoes show that in the UUS the iPhone is way cheaper than the N97, which if that is where the people who were claiming it was expensive was from, then they would be right)