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Samsung System Tailors Ads To Its Audience

angry tapir writes "Samsung has developed an outdoor digital advertising system that tailors ads based on its audience. There are three main components of the system: an LCD display panel, a dual lens camera and a processing computer, which runs the company's proprietary facial recognition software. If the technology identifies several female members in a group, then it can target advertisements at them, for example. Even if the group is mixed, the technology can identify whether onlookers are children or adults. If they're adults then maybe a wine ad could run whereas an advertisement for toys might play for kids."

172 comments

  1. No no no no no! by RobVB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Long-time Samsung fanboy speaking here, but I do NOT want advertisements to see my face. Reading my e-mails is where I draw the line. At least Gmail can't tell whether or not I'm wearing pants.

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    1. Re:No no no no no! by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if you're not wearing pants in public perhaps it _would_ be a good idea if the proper authorities were notified?

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    2. Re:No no no no no! by RobVB · · Score: 4, Funny

      After RTFA (yes, I make semi-witty first posts before RTFA just because I can, sue me) I can only assume someone will post something about the pants being irrelevant because it's made for public outdoors advertisements.

      If you are or were on the verge of making such a post, I would like to strongly urge you to reconsider who you're dealing with here.

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    3. Re:No no no no no! by shermo · · Score: 3, Funny

      +1 eerily prescient?

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    4. Re:No no no no no! by dangitman · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are Samsung fanboys?

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    5. Re:No no no no no! by cosm · · Score: 0

      Pants aside [literally], don't we get enough Viagra advertisements as it is?

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    6. Re:No no no no no! by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 0

      Actually yes there Samsung fanbois, I know people that swear by Samsung HDDs. I have heard so much about them that I am willing to pay a few dollars extra to give them a go.

    7. Re:No no no no no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gmail doesn't "read" your email. It scans it for keywords. Stop being so paranoid.

    8. Re:No no no no no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Semantics. Reading doesn't have to be done by a human to be reading. Not that I personally have any problems with gmail scanning for keywords but still.

    9. Re:No no no no no! by BluBrick · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're concerned that technology can determine whether you're wearing pants by seeing your face, you've got bigger problems than your privacy.

      ProTip: The pants don't go on the head.

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    10. Re:No no no no no! by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Funny, that's also what the CIA do when hunting terr'rists.

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    11. Re:No no no no no! by shirotakaaki · · Score: 1

      In Korea only old people fanboi Samsung.

    12. Re:No no no no no! by fractoid · · Score: 1

      ...pants being irrelevant because it's made for public outdoors advertisements.

      Dunno about you but I'd *definitely* not consider pants 'irrelevant' when outdoors and in public.

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    13. Re:No no no no no! by fractoid · · Score: 1

      No, but reading implies a level of cognition far beyond what adwords uses.

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    14. Re:No no no no no! by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Funny

      "We've noticed that you could use some discreetly-wrapped male enhancement pills."

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    15. Re:No no no no no! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      At least Gmail can't tell whether or not I'm wearing pants.

      http://www.42inc.com/~estephen/misc/posts/numbered/post0015.txt

      > Wow. I'm really not wearing pants.

      It's okay to admit it. We should all admit that we're too
      goddamned terrified of the world to ever wear pants.

      After all, the damn things look like giant scissors. And
      we all know what we're afraid that these scissors will cut off.

      I'm not afraid to admit it: I love my dead, gay, son.

      Kibo taught us all to be free of fear: forget the pants, he'd say, in
      his playful manner that endeared him to people like Joel Furr,
      Christopher Walken, Mr. Hooper from Sesame Street, John Wintson, the
      Scientologists, and the Grays. (Actually Kibo would phrase it
      differently: "Only bozoes wear pants around here.")

      And that's why, today, 9 out of 10 Americans is a Kibologist and the
      tenth excessively multi-posts phone sex spams from Prodigy. And the
      eleventh is a Canadian. (Wednesday.) And 115% out of 11 Americans
      don't know ANYTHING about statistics.

      God I miss Usenet.

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    16. Re:No no no no no! by zmollusc · · Score: 1

      Pfft! Next you will be telling us that the pencils don't go in the nose.

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    17. Re:No no no no no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're not wearing pants in public perhaps it _would_ be a good idea if the proper authorities were notified?

      I wear a kilt in public, you insensitive clod!

    18. Re:No no no no no! by iYk6 · · Score: 1

      There is no requirement to wear pants in public, and there is no reason to notify any authorities. Misinformation is not funny. It is sad.

    19. Re:No no no no no! by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      He's scottish you insensitive clod.

    20. Re:No no no no no! by molecular · · Score: 1

      yes, they make awesome harddrives

    21. Re:No no no no no! by selven · · Score: 1

      So you would much rather let a robot read your private communications than see your public face, which you already show to everyone you meet? I'm not against Gmail reading my email but the logic here seems a bit weird.

    22. Re:No no no no no! by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      >Well, if you're not wearing pants in public perhaps it _would_ be a good idea if the proper authorities were notified?

      I know we live in a rampant consumer culture, but I wasn't aware we'd gone as far as designating Calvin Klein or Victoria's Secret as 'proper authorities'.

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    23. Re:No no no no no! by RobVB · · Score: 1

      I may have jumped to conclusions when I saw the words "LCD TV", "ads" and "cameras" in the same sentence. I thought it would be the new kind of TiVo.

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    24. Re:No no no no no! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      How so?
      In civilized countries, it's not illegal, as long as you hide the private part on the front. :)

      Yes you can run around butt-naked here. (Germany, just in case you wondered.)
      Unfortunately you only see men doing it. :/

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    25. Re:No no no no no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wibble.

    26. Re:No no no no no! by imakemusic · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Wibble.

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    27. Re:No no no no no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I foresee lots of "violation of privacy" and similar lawsuits, a la Google Street View. Where will these be used? How can I report this to my government?

    28. Re:No no no no no! by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Would they be oldbois?

    29. Re:No no no no no! by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      On a perhaps serious note, yes they exist. They tend to be older Koreans who immigrated to the U.S. my parents would be one example. I think it has something to do with a combination of national pride, plus the belief that anything made by either a US or Chinese company is inferior.

    30. Re:No no no no no! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      ProTip: The pants don't go on the head.

      So we've got fashion Nazis on slashdot now? Jeez.

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    31. Re:No no no no no! by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      I wonder if I can tailor my shotgun to their ads (or the camera)... Just what we need more billboards and displays and things to distract already distracted ADHD drivers to crash into more things.

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  2. This could go badly by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they're adults then maybe a wine ad could run whereas an advertisement for toys might play for kids

    And if it's a mixed group of adults and kids, it shows an ad for drinking wine out of plastic sippy cups?

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    1. Re:This could go badly by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.tetrapak.com/us/packaging/food_categories/wine/pages/default.aspx

      http://www.slashfood.com/2008/05/17/would-you-drink-wine-from-a-juice-box/

      I'll wait here while you hide your kids.

      There is something very cool about having tailored advertisements. Google's found a way to make it work, and in the AFK world there is evidence of commercial tailoring for sporting events like the SuperBowl. People who watch the SB for the ads (like reading Playboy for the nudes, I suppose) typically enjoy funny and unique commercials. So while it may be many times more expensive to produce and show a commercial during the SB, it is also much more profitable since the viewers are already suggestionable.

    2. Re:This could go badly by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google's found a way to make it work, and in the AFK world there is evidence of commercial tailoring for sporting events like the SuperBowl.

      Tailoring ads for a specific audience has been the norm for a very long time, not just the Superbowl.
      Finance and insurance during Sunday morning news shows, Coors during football, tampons during Oprah.

      Its not that the audience is more suggestible, but you don't want to spend/waste ad money pointing to the wrong audience.

    3. Re:This could go badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finance and insurance during Sunday morning news shows, Coors during football, tampons during Oprah.

      Car parts during NASCAR, Lawyers during Court Room Shows, "Phone Date" numbers at 11:00 on a weekend, Movie commercials that fit the same genre of the current show, The list is never ending.

    4. Re:This could go badly by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      That kind of tailoring is different, and has been used since the very earliest radio shows. It's tailoring based on the nature of the show (in fact, many shows used to even be tailored based on the nature of the ads). On the other hand, TFA talks about a technology to tailor the ads based on the nature of the viewers, which has never been done AFAIK.

    5. Re:This could go badly by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "drinking wine out of plastic sippy cups"

      You that's actually not a bad idea. I tend to spill a lot as I get more drunk. Sure I'll have no dignity but that happens anyways when I'm drunk. At least with this I won't have to wash wine stain out of my clothing.

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    6. Re:This could go badly by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      Network television allows regional broadcasters to insert local advertisements, which tailors them geographically as well. It's even possible to insert advertisements into the background of sports broadcasts: Real time advertisement insertion in baseball video based on advertisement effect. So you can advertise by show and region. Customizing to the actual person is a neat idea though. How about not showing any advertisement to people who are in a bad mood? If they don't look likely to receive the ad well, then just show a generic picture?

    7. Re:This could go badly by karnal · · Score: 1

      You assume that you'll still have your clothes when you get home.

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  3. Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by fluffy99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Say it recognizes specific types of people. Would you really want ads for adult dating sites popping up if it thought a bachlor was strolling by? Or it could detect "that time of the month" and started advertising feminine products. Or how about it pops up porn ads when it only senses adult males in the vicinity.

    1. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by ihavnoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, that depends on who the user of the technology (such as, advertisement agencies), not the technology itself. The technology simply detects who is looking at the billboard, and how old the person is. It's entirely up to the ad agency to show adult dating sites or whatsoever on the billboard.

      Thus, I think the ad agencies will end up putting ads that aren't so offensive to any demographic, anyway. Unlike popups from the web, it's intended to be placed on public space.

    2. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Thus, I think the ad agencies will end up putting ads that aren't so offensive to any demographic, anyway.

      Certainly gender-targeted advertising, in the way they're thinking, seems like it may miss large numbers of potential customers:

      For example, if the technology identifies several female members in a group, then a jewelry, cosmetic, or perfume ad could run, said Samsung. If it were males then shaving products or beer advertisements could be played.

      Apparently, Samsung believes women don't like beer.

      Then again, the GP apparently believes women don't watch porn:

      Or how about it pops up porn ads when it only senses adult males in the vicinity.

    3. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by martas · · Score: 1

      have you seen giant porn ads in, say, a mall? i haven't (unfortunately). i actually think this is a good thing. say the number of products/services to be advertised in an area in constant. until now, there have been 3 alternatives:

      1) show 'em all simultaneously. problem? information overload - nobody pays attention to anything in particular, but everyone is annoyed. bad for advertiser, bad for consumer.
      2) show 'em all one after the other (on a TV). consumers aren't as annoyed, but the chances of anyone seeing anything they're interested in are tiny. bad for advertiser => bad for the world (yes, [successful] advertising is crucial to the business world as we know it).
      3) some combination of 1 and 2. but how do you decide which ads go together on which screen? messy.

      I think technology like this can significantly benefit advertisers, while also making ads more interesting/relevant for consumers (or rather because of it). The content of the ads isn't going to be anything different from what you see today, so don't worry about a kid hiding behind a tree seeing naked boobies simply because a slashdotter happened to walk by the ad.

    4. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm sorry. Could you please explain why advertising is good for the world? It is one thing for a company to be easy to find if I am looking for them and provide good information about their products (even in a way that implies they are better than they are if they for some reason believe they aren't good enough already), but having companies constantly yelling at me about products when I am not looking for them is just annoying and I do not see how it could possibly be a good thing (as opposed to a necessary evil as TV/radio/newspapers/a lot of the web is advertising-funded and no one has a better model -- I suspect one would be found if advertising were to suddenly disappear).

    5. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Advertising is good when it's unobtrusive, it doesn't interfere with what I'm doing, and it alerts me to products or services that I may have a genuine need for. I'm quite happy to watch an ad talking about a new motorbike, or informing me of good prices for beer, or whatever. I get annoyed when I have to sit through the same damned ad for McDonalds six times during a half-hour episode of The Simpsons, even though I'm halfway through eating a burger.

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    6. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      If adult ads would pop up when males walk by, this would result in an infinite loop when displaying those ads will draw in more males, resulting in overcrowding the area.

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    7. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by LordAndrewSama · · Score: 1

      Makes me think of how homer tried to turn Bart straight again, in one of the simpsons episodes I can barely remember.

    8. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by anarchyboy · · Score: 1

      Makes me think of how homer tried to turn Bart straight again, in one of the simpsons episodes I can barely remember.

      When I first read that I thought you must be crazy, but this appears to be that episode.

    9. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Speaking as a Black woman in computer science, I would be fairly offended the first time the sign sees me, stops displaying the ad for Dell Computer, and starts displaying ads for chicken and lip gloss. But I guess that's no different from what happens on television.

    10. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus, I think the ad agencies will end up putting ads that aren't so offensive to any demographic, anyway. Unlike popups from the web, it's intended to be placed on public space.

      Daddy. What's erectile dysfunction?

    11. Re:Imagine the embarrasing tie-ins by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Thus, I think the ad agencies will end up putting ads that aren't so offensive to any demographic, anyway. Unlike popups from the web, it's intended to be placed on public space.

      Anytime you get an automated system involved, it can backfire.

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  4. I wonder who's going to be first to sue by hedwards · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm wondering what's going to happen when somebody sues because the ad content offends them. A woman that hates girly things or perhaps a black person that likes golf, or possible a gay man that gets sick of the inappropriate ads for jewelry for the wife.

    This sort of technology may be an advertiser's wet dream, but it's pretty screwed up.

    1. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would the dynamic ad be worse than a static ad showing the same thing? If a company plasters a whole city with static ads for jewelry, do gay men really have ground for suing?

    2. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it could use Microsoft's Clippy technology: "You seem to be a black person who likes golf."

    3. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      Why is this screwed up?? It's done today. Magazine ads are placed because of the target audience. Neflicks and Amazon suggest ads based on prior purchases. And yes, they don't always get it right. But sometimes they do.

      This is a way for people to get ads for products that they at least *might* be interested in, and help businesses keep advertising costs down by not showing ads to groups that wouldn't be interested.

      Whenever people get scared of things I this, I chuckle and remember a story my grandfather told me about how people were afraid of those new fangled telephones and fought against them.

      They were afraid because they thought poles might fall over on them.

      Just because someone has a twitter account doesn't mean they aren't part Luddite.

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    4. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by martas · · Score: 1

      hey, i'm already annoyed (almost offended!) by the sometimes overly detailed tampon ads on TV, but you don't see me suing anyone. targeted advertising isn't anything new - an advertiser already knows everything about the demographic of a certain, say, town, before showing TV ads on a local channel in that area. it's just that now the ads can be even more targeted. i don't see anything radically new here.

    5. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "or possible a gay man that gets sick of the inappropriate ads for jewelry for the wife."

      You're assuming his wife doesn't like jewelry. He might love jewelry.

    6. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like your Tivo thinking you're gay. There's no problem with Golden Girls when it's just one of many shows. People may get offended when Tivo picks it for you. Similarly, how would you feel if the billboards in your vicinity have a tendency to switch to ads for XXL clothing or the nearest hair-dresser. Or maybe you're a male with a feminine look and the billboards only show you ads for women's products.

    7. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or more likely, a dwarf being shown children's ads.

    8. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Aren't you trying to invent something new just because it happens electronically? Walk into any clothes store and the sales rep will suggest clothes that he will think fit you, which might be a complete mismatch. Remember that showing ads to people that aren't interested is a complete waste of time for both the advertiser and you. They'd love a customers that says "your ads suck, why can't you advertise about stuff I care about?" and ask "yes, please, how can we know what ads you want?" with $-signs in their eyes.

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    9. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Speaking of phones, I wish Samsung would tailor their phones to real world text usage. My old Nokias were snappy when it came to texting, but texting on Samsungs (from my budget model to the more expensive models my friends have) equals dropped characters and missed keystrokes.

    10. Re:I wonder who's going to be first to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If the billboards did that I would spend less time looking at them and hence be less likely to fall into a manhole. It's a win.

  5. A world without advertisement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd rather pick my laundry detergent based on the results of independent testing, than based on who advertises the most. Why doesn't the world work that way? Consumers would be much better off.

  6. How long until... by Zakabog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long until someone comes by and paints over the camera lenses disabling the tailored ads?

    I can see this being a big waste of money that will hardly ever work correctly, and just being an annoying method of delivering ads when it is working.

    1. Re:How long until... by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      I, for one, would be happier to see ads tailored to my demographic than a random mix.

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    2. Re:How long until... by RepelHistory · · Score: 4, Informative

      How long until someone comes by and paints over the camera lenses disabling the tailored ads?

      "As a service to our customers, the Digital Rights Management technology in our TV will disable the machine if it detects that our advertising technology has become inoperative."

    3. Re:How long until... by martas · · Score: 1

      ditto. targeted advertisements are less annoying, not more (at least ideally), because they're supposed to be interesting for you.

    4. Re:How long until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Somebody should correlate /. posts with high UIDs vs. posts which applaud new advertising techniques. I never saw these posts until recently.

    5. Re:How long until... by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How long until someone comes by and paints over the camera lenses disabling the tailored ads?

      Ain't going to happen. How many CCTV camera lenses are painted over in the UK?

    6. Re:How long until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many CCTV cameras are easily accessible? Moron...

    7. Re:How long until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long until someone comes by and paints over the camera lenses disabling
          the tailored ads?

      Ain't going to happen. How many CCTV camera lenses are painted over in the UK?

      Not enough!

    8. Re:How long until... by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      It might be able to detect that you've covered the lens with paint, but would it be able to tell if you hung a picture of the empty area in front of it?

    9. Re:How long until... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      How many CCTV camera lenses are painted over in the UK?

      Dunno, but we're quite good at setting fire to speeed cameras...

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  7. You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd think advertisers would have learned by now how to avoid embarassing themselves. Clearly, they have not. Every year there are advertisements that fail to account for cultural values, context, or placement, and wind up sending an unintended message. Sometimes it's hilarious, sometimes its tragic. You've all seen the jars of Gerber baby food, right? The one with the big baby face on the front? Turns out when they first tried to sell it in rural segments of Africa, it wouldn't sell -- like at all. Turns out that the majority of the population in those markets is illiterate and so the products contained pictures of what was inside the jars and boxes. Well, the locals thought Gerber was selling, achem... baby. Needless to say, the packaging was updated shortly thereafter.

    Here's the problem with advertisements where people are aware they are being targetted: What if the machine makes a mistake? What if it identifies the 18 year old male who's captain of the football team with a couple of his female friends and the machine decides that there are three females in the party instead of two, and spits out an advertisement for tampons or makeup. Perhaps even doing an impromptu photoshop with their faces and a "before and after" shot, with directions to the nearest makeup counter? Well, he might need some coverup then... To hide his suddenly very flushed appearance.

    The problem with mechanical identification of any physical trait in a human being is that it won't ever be 100%, because the meanings associated with those traits are context-dependent. That is to say, the correlations are the problem, and it's true whether it's a matter of sex, race, or age... And when people are aware they are being targeted by those factors, and especially when its misread, and very especially when others are aware of this -- it can have significant social reprecussions. In marketing, context and placement means a lot -- and the only thing saving people from taking it personally is the very fact that they know it's targeted impersonally. When that changes, marketers are going to be in for a real surprise.

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    1. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      What if it identifies the 18 year old male who's captain of the football team with a couple of his female friends and the machine decides that there are three females in the party instead of two, and spits out an advertisement for tampons or makeup.

      What if that happens? Uhhh... it shows and ad for tampons or makeup. Hardly the end of the word. What is this dreamy football captain and his companions doing looking at the advertisement, anyway? Surely there's sodomy to be had, which is a greater priority than some electronic billboard.

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    2. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      What if that happens? Uhhh... it shows and ad for tampons or makeup. Hardly the end of the word. What is this dreamy football captain and his companions doing looking at the advertisement, anyway? Surely there's sodomy to be had, which is a greater priority than some electronic billboard.

      Yeah. Well, they're never content with just a display device. It'll have sound too. And if that doesn't work, it'll vibrate and have smoke come out of it too. Marketing is fighting a losing battle and so it is becoming ever-more aggressive in how it infiltrates our lives and tries to distinguish itself from all the other marketing. And the close proximity of these things means that after the average person passes them a few times, they'll be aware of the fact that they're being targeted specifically, because as soon as they come in range the thing changes display. Even at a walking pace, it has less than 10 seconds to capture your attention.

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    3. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Marketing is fighting a losing battle

      Say what? Marketing is doing just fine... probably better than ever.

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    4. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Say what? Marketing is doing just fine... probably better than ever.

      Which explains why the most popular addon for Firefox is "Adblock Plus" and number 5 is "NoScript". A strange coincidence that Firefox' popularity went through the roof after this was released. Also, have you noticed how many people have switched to Netflix and dropped their cable TV subscription? Yet strangely, what are the top-rented items on Netflix? TV shows... on DVD. Why do you suppose that is? Could it be because they can skip the 20 minutes of advertisements per hour and the annoying popups every 3 minutes during the actual broadcast? It just might. It's also curious that marketers have been working hard to integrate marketing in-line with content online -- since the click-thru rates have been steadily dropping for banner ads. And let's not forget a BIG reason for gmail's popularity: Their renowned spam filters. And what was this about a national "Do Not Call" registry? You've heard of it, I take it? For those people who still have landlines, most sign up for it within a week of getting the phone. Usually because they're sick of it ringing every hour from 9am to 9pm monday through saturday. And how about that junk mail!

      Yes. Marketing is flourishing. It's filling up our landfills, sucking up bandwidth online, and clogging the arteries of our cultural experience in a desperate attempt to be noticed. And year after year, it becomes less effective, leading to an ever-larger crap-flood as people scramble to find channels and mediums still clean of it.

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    5. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by callinyouin · · Score: 1

      Reading this reminded me why I cringe when I hear people say their major is "Something in business... Marketing, maybe."
      Can you really not think of anything better to do with your life?
      I suppose if your intent is to work for a nonprofit that might be legitimate, but I don't think that's the idea running through most marketing majors' heads.

    6. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      So what? Even I can't tell sometimes if a person is a guy or girl anymore. If your gender is really that hard to tell, then the problem is with you. Get a new hair cut, change your clothes, and choose one side or the other!

    7. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Marketin is not just TV ads, you know. Got any evidence that it's getting less effective? Society seems more consumer driven and "brand aware" than ever. Heck, some people even watch the Superbowl just for the ads.

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    8. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      I suppose if your intent is to work for a nonprofit that might be legitimate, but I don't think that's the idea running through most marketing majors' heads.

      Most people who go into marketing do it for the same reason as anyone else who goes to college: They want to make money. And if you are good at it, you can make a LOT of money. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and there's nothing wrong with marketing per-se. Afterall, people need to know about your business to get their business, right? The problem is... there's so much of it that there's been a loss of impact. This loss of impact has caused people to seek out ever more vulgar ways of recapturing people's attention. And as more flashy ways of capturing our attention are invented, attention itself begins to suffer -- everything starts to become bland, and our attention spans are shrinking fast. Commercials are getting louder, employ more cut scenes, unnaturally vibrant colors, and every second is packed with attention-grabbing action.

      At some point, it just won't matter anymore: There'll be so much of it flooding every available channel, space, and medium, that people will start to abandon them in their entirety. Marketing is starving on its own excesses: It simply cannot control the amount it spews out and it competes with itself. And in its death throes, its killing our attention spans, our entertainment, communications, and perhaps damaging our culture in the process.

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    9. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Moebius_6 · · Score: 1

      You've all seen the jars of Gerber baby food, right? The one with the big baby face on the front? Turns out when they first tried to sell it in rural segments of Africa, it wouldn't sell -- like at all. Turns out that the majority of the population in those markets is illiterate and so the products contained pictures of what was inside the jars and boxes. Well, the locals thought Gerber was selling, achem... baby.

      Some good points. Though the Gerber story is probably an urban legend.

    10. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Society seems more consumer driven and "brand aware" than ever.

      Bullshit: It melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

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    11. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Not everyone works with advertising people, but have you not worked with people in marketing? They are not embarrassed easily. Consider the nature of the profession.

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    12. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is this, along with six other changes to advertising that are totally definitely going to happen, could possibly lead to someone realizing that they're being targeted for tampon ads.

      What a fucking tragedy. Someone call the president and have him put a stop to this nonsense right now.

    13. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by dangitman · · Score: 1

      OK, so what basis do you possibly have to think that consumerism has decreased, or for that matter, marketing-driven spending?

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    14. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

      Perhaps even doing an impromptu photoshop with their faces and a "before and after" shot, with directions to the nearest makeup counter? Well, he might need some coverup then... To hide his suddenly very flushed appearance.

      I was thinking "perhaps they should ask the viewer whether they want to see a mock-up photoshop of them using the advertised product?" There is a computer driving the system, after all. And you know what? This Samsung gimmic + project natal == epic marketing win

      Imagine the system asking you, "Hey! how would you like to see yourself on this hot Levi's? Nod or give a thumbs up for yes, shake your head or thumbs down for no". A lot of immature people would give it the finger or make some other rude gestures, which the machine will simple interpret as "no" and move on. But that is a surefire way to capture audience. "Whant to see a related product?" thumbs up. You place this things in well policed places like malls, transport stations, etc. Remember, nothing draws a crowd like a crowd. That's how street performers stay in business. Now excuse me while I go out and patent this

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    15. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      OK, so what basis do you possibly have to think that consumerism has decreased, or for that matter, marketing-driven spending?

      Well, there's this recession going on... not that it's related, but I'd definately call it a decrease in "consumerism" and "marketing-driven spending".

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    16. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Most people who go into marketing do it for the same reason as anyone else who goes to college: They want to make money.

      Everyone but law and business majors go to college so they will be able to do something they love doing. Law and business majors go to college so they will make a lot of money. Because they hate all each and every kind of work.

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    17. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by MBC1977 · · Score: 1

      Hate to disagree with you but not all of us in college (Full-Disclosure: I am currently student in Business Administration with a Concentration in Marketing) who go for business go just for the money. I personally, enjoy the various aspects of business, so just happens I enjoy marketing more, because it is both an art and a science. While it is true, that some in the business world are there exclusively for the money; (I should also mention that I'm an Infantry Marine-Enlisted, who has also a degree in Computer Science as well).

      Painting all business and law majors with the same brush, and saying they don't like work, well... running a business is work.

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    18. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      You're right about false identification. While targeted ads is a nice idea in theory, targeted ads will often overstep certain bounds that generic ads do not - with embarrassing results when they miss. Also, the mere knowledge that an ad is targeted will affect how the audience responds - "they think I'm like that?"
      Sometimes, like when gmail points me to a fine purveyor of Torah scrolls, I am merely amused. Other times, it annoys me enough to block it (I dare say some 90% of the ads at boardgamegeek are for computer games, because idiot advertisers think all games are the same).

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    19. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Marketing is also a war of attrition of sorts. Beyond a certain points, it's mostly a big, black hole you have to plug with money, because your competitors are also doing it.

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    20. Re:You're going to embarass yourself by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Everyone but law and business majors go to college so they will be able to do something they love doing.

      No, ideally you go to college so you can do something you love while you are at college. Anything after college is a bonus.

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  8. How long until by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    someone messes with the stats and gets it so old church going ladies get exposed to gay porn star ads or just plain old goatse?

  9. They think they're so smart... by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh sure, they think they're REAL clever with their little "recognition" algorithms, but let me just ask you this one:

    What happens when the midget convention comes into town, huh? What do you do THEN, smart guy? WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?

    1. Re:They think they're so smart... by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      Display ads for the gnome kicking game next week at some bar?

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    2. Re:They think they're so smart... by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      It it's facial recognition, the system could be tuned to deal with that. I'm no expert on the subject, but it seems to me that most forms of dwarfism have quite distinctive facial structure markers. Look for people with short stature and those facial characteristics and you're set to display targetted advertising for a mechanic who specialises in car control conversions or a cabinet maker who specialises in pneumatically or hydraulically raisable kitchen flooring or counters/cabinets (is there such a thing? Seems obvious to me, safer than stools or stepladders, a great idea where you've got people of mixed stature in one household, lets you keep counter heights at the levels mandated by building codes etc).

      Worst case, they get ads for Nerf guns. Big deal, you can never have too many Nerf guns.

  10. Time to modify my tinfoil hat... by superpenguin · · Score: 2, Funny

    and add a mask too?

    1. Re:Time to modify my tinfoil hat... by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      I think the tinfoil mask will be a much better way of figuring out what ads to target at you....

  11. Sorta Cool by ShooterNeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Truth is, a little harmless digital stereotyping never hurt anybody. I look forward to living in a future where the advertisements on the street are video screens and they adapt their message to who they think is walking by. That's the kind of world people wrote about in science fiction decades ago, or put into movies like Blade Runner. This kind of thing has been dreamed about for decades, and thanks to the hard work of thousands of people, is finally possible.

    Sure, it's not really that "useful" a technological improvement...kind of evil almost...but it sure is cool.

    1. Re:Sorta Cool by value_added · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Truth is, a little harmless digital stereotyping never hurt anybody. I look forward to living in a future where the advertisements on the street are video screens and they adapt their message to who they think is walking by.

      A proud whore.

      I look forward to a future where public spaces aren't blemished by the vulgarity of advertising, arenas and stadiums bear the name of the city and not the name of a corporation, bus benches are attractive places to sit, the notion of wearing clothing and accessories adorned with corporate logos is dismissed as absurd, and all of us can celebrate with pride the world we've made for ourselves.

      Foolish notions? Perhaps. But the way I see it, better to aspire to something than wallow in the shamelessness of an idiocracy... oh, fuck it. Enjoy your electrolytes.

    2. Re:Sorta Cool by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Advertising may not be a permanent phenomenon. Right now, believe it or not, economists thing that advertising is a signal to consumers that a product meets minimum levels of quality. It's possible that the information technology will make product "reputation" far more important than advertising, making that component of branding less important. Right now, for instance, ASUS motherboards have a tremendous reputation for quality due to years of positive experiences. Yet, the company has never made a television advertisement or hired a celebrity as far as I know.

    3. Re:Sorta Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I look forward to a future where public spaces aren't blemished by the vulgarity of advertising, arenas and stadiums bear the name of the city and not the name of a corporation, bus benches are attractive places to sit, the notion of wearing clothing and accessories adorned with corporate logos is dismissed as absurd, and all of us can celebrate with pride the world we've made for ourselves.

      Well, we (hello from eastern Europe) already had that during the communist era. Didn't work out so well.

    4. Re:Sorta Cool by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      It's not all that foolish a notion.
       
      Society has been "owned" by many groups in the past. First it was tribal affiliation, then religious affiliation, then owned by a king, then owned by an industry.
       
      It's not too far-fetched that just as we threw off the shackles of religious domination, and as we threw off the shackles of industrial domination, we will also be able to throw off the shackles of advertising domination. What was pervasive in society a hundred or a few hundred years ago has fallen by the wayside. Churches don't own vast swathes of land, and don't have the power of life and death over much of the world anymore. Slavery and serfdom is largely gone. Hordes of working poor aren't being shut into horrific industrial working conditions and aren't dying in large numbers in most of the world.
       
      We've traded these things for a world where companies must encourage us to support them. I'm sure that this pervasive social ill will also dry up at some point, to be replaced by something else. No reason to think we'll stop progressing as a society.

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    5. Re:Sorta Cool by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I look forward to living in a future where the advertisements on the street are video screens

      Or you could just sin enough to get into Hell, which is what that sounds like.

  12. Advertisements directed towards children = banned by KreAture · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In Norway, advertisements directed towards children are banned on TV and radio. Unfortunately this is being circumvented by basing the broadcasting network abroad.
    I just hope this type of advertising can be dealth with by modifying the laws. If not, maby a big hammer will do the trick.

  13. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Norway, advertisements directed towards children are banned on TV and radio. Unfortunately this is being circumvented by basing the broadcasting network abroad.
    I just hope this type of advertising can be dealth with by modifying the laws. If not, maby a big hammer will do the trick.

    Zeus, and this is why I would love to move to Norway! Seriously, do you guys have room for tech nerds?

  14. Muslim version? by macraig · · Score: 1

    "if the technology identifies several female members in a group, then it can target advertisements at them, for example."

    So I guess they won't be marketing this in fundamentalist Islamic countries where the gals wear burqas?

    1. Re:Muslim version? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      Seriously you don't think identifying a figure in a burqua would be more difficult than identifying a female face?

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    2. Re:Muslim version? by macraig · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trying to be serious. I guess I'll be keeping my day job for a while yet....

    3. Re:Muslim version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh! Suicide belts and Anthrax packages are suitable for all ages and genders. They're all terrorists anyway. There's no need for different ads based on gender. Now that is true equality!

    4. Re:Muslim version? by maxume · · Score: 1

      The men wear them too?

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  15. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    In Norway, advertisements directed towards children are banned on TV and radio.

    What kind of commercials are shown during Saturday morning cartoons?

    And what is the problem with advertising to kids? It's not like they have any money. The final arbiter, at least for what I consider "children" (under 13yo), is usually the parent, so where's the actual harm?

    Is it the possible negative feelings that the kid will have when the parents refuse to buy the latest Go-bot reconfigurable robot toy? That's the kind of child-coddling, PC rule that is bringing society to its so-called knees.

  16. Hey there smuggy know-it-all by Minimalist360 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess you think advertisers should learn from pretend made up stories?
    http://www.snopes.com/business/market/babyfood.asp

  17. I Hate Targeted Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how are the kids going to buy the products? What toys will the parents buy to surprise their kids?

    I like looking at other things. If they only showed me things I already knew about the ads would be pointless. I already know if something in my field is good or bad and they only want to target those ads to me. What I don't know is what exists in other areas that I don't stay current on. How do they know if I'm looking to move into a different market group or if I'm buying something for a friend?

    1. Re:I Hate Targeted Ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So how are the kids going to buy the products? What toys will the parents buy to surprise their kids?

      Kids don't buy products, and advertisers know that. What they do know is that kids are very easily influenced compared to adults, but parents are manipulated by kids. Ads target kids, who then nag and emotional blackmail parents into buying things that the kid wants. Not what the kid needs, like good education, books, good quality food, extra curricular activities.....

      And as for toys to surprise the kids, just go to a toy shop and browse. If you know a kid you'll know what they like, and they will probably have asked or mentioned stuff friends have that they like. And if you don't follow TV ads you'll probably end up buying toys that aren't just the latest fad.

      You need to watch the documentary by Adam Curtis called The Century of the Self and realise just how insidious modern advertising is.

  18. Gaming the system. by nethenson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One problem that i see, is that it can be very easy to game the system.

    Let's say that the advertisers pay a fixed monthly payment. If I were an advertiser and my advertisement were run every time that three women are in front of the screen... well, I'd hire three actresses so that they stay in from of the screen: my ad would be shown lots of times, and adds of my competitors would never be shown.

    If, on the contrary, the advertisers have to pay for each time his ad is shown, and my competitor's ad is shown when the system detects three men... well, in this case, I'd hire three actors to stay there, to force my rival to pay, pay and pay.

    Like the fraudulent clicks in AdSense, but in real life.

    1. Re:Gaming the system. by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      and the cost of three full time actresses/actors is going to exceed the extra revenue from your add being shown? Besides, if any competetors were to be targeting the same demographic, then it would have to randomly select from a pool of possible ads. How is it to know that these three girls are to be shown your ad and your ad alone.

  19. I'm a white guy with a shaved head. by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Funny

    I really don't want this thing advertising bed sheets, wrestling, ammo and tractor pulls to me every time I walk by.

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    1. Re:I'm a white guy with a shaved head. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It might think you are naturally bald and blast you with adds for Rogaine or something like that, or maybe therapy/Prozac cause ti thinks you are depressed about "losing" your hair.

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  20. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by martas · · Score: 1

    maby not

  21. What if it can identify geeks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's a mixed crowd all the porn ads could cause problems

  22. You must have money to waste. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    "Let's say that the advertisers pay a fixed monthly payment. If I were an advertiser and my advertisement were run every time that three women are in front of the screen... well, I'd hire three actresses. . ."

    Wow, that sounds expensive. Ok, here's an idea - if you want your ad shown continuously, just hire a traditional billboard/sign? You're really making things too complicated. The point of such an advertising system is to, on the one hand, reduce costs for you as the advertising client, while increasing the overall revenue for the sign company (because each time an ad is shown, it's supposed to be *more valuable* -at least, I'm sure that's the hypothesis behind such schemes, though I tend to question the validity of that idea - so the sign company can charge more per ad, while potentially charging most clients less than they otherwise would have to pay).

    "If, on the contrary, the advertisers have to pay for each time his ad is shown, and my competitor's ad is shown when the system detects three men... well, in this case, I'd hire three actors to stay there, to force my rival to pay, pay and pay."

    That's a possibility, but now consider the costs of hiring groups of actors to stand in front of the camera for many hours a week - and lets assume that there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of such signs scattered throughout a major city like NY, LA, or London. So, you're going to hire thousands of "actors" for many hours a week (you wouldn't necessarily have to keep them there all the time, just during 'peak' times, but that's still probably 20 or 30 hours a week *per sign*). How many millions of dollars did you budget for this denial of service campaign, when your competition is probably only paying a few thousand dollars a week for advertising on all those signs.

    I'd love to have you as my competition, because you would obviously mismanage your companies resources so badly, it'd be easy to compete against you. I'd drive you out of business making you pay for actors till you were broke.

  23. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    The main argument I've seen is that it's a form of brainwashing, since young children are much more impressionable and susceptible to persuasion than older people are. Not specifically that it will force their parents to buy them a particular toy, but that it allows companies to try to mold future consumers to their liking.

    Of course, even for adults advertising largely attempts to perform that sort of function---the idea that advertisements are good-faith attempts to inform potentially interested customers of a product they may like is rather quaint---but we generally feel that for adults, it's their own business to deal with it.

  24. Potential Next Level by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 1

    Facial recognition algorithm is enhanced a tad (framework is in place, remember) - finds a suspect in a police investigation. Suddenly the screen is filled with big black letters: GIVE YOURSELF UP. Police are also dispatched to the location.
    I don't want computers analyzing my face without my consent. I'm even less happy with the idea of a computer trying to make guesses about what's going on in my mind - its just like Clippy, only with annoying jingles and flashy graphics.

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    1. Re:Potential Next Level by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Why would they warn him/her??

  25. Looks good on paper... by YITBOS · · Score: 3, Funny
    Now, don't get me wrong... there's a chance I would be able to watch broadcast television live (not DVR'd or torrented) if I would never have to see another commercial about douching (with it's great many suggestions for when to douche...), yeast-infection home test-kits and medicine, and different tampon/pads designed for different flow types, or women in their 50s talking about their overactive overactive bladders...

    But while this may look good on paper... remember: they will have to find something to replace those ads... and being a male between the ages of 18 and dead, you can be sure that every commercial break will be like Spike TV at 3am... An endless loop of Girls Gone Wild commercials occasionally separated by advertisements for erectile dysfunction prescriptions and the latest, amazing super-duper nutritional supplement that will help you drop 50 lbs of fat in 2 days, without exercising or changing your diet*!

    * These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or actually do anything at all besides separate you from your money, fatty!

  26. he got it at jared... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If i start seeing those god damn jewlery commercials that they run at xmas time when me and my girlfiend walk through the mall I will definitely end up vandalizing them eventually.

    I should create a robot that has a TV and walks in front of someone so that it constantly delivers unavoidable commercials. In fact I should patent the idea just to avoid some sick bastard taking this post and implementing it.

  27. Shoot me now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are forces at work in this world...

  28. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    If not, maby a big hammer will do the trick.

    Like the Apple 1984 ads?

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  29. It'll be Door #3 by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1
    #3 is the current state of affairs (at least IMO), and advertisers aren't stopping or even slowing down.

    You have:

    information overload - nobody pays attention to anything in particular, but everyone is annoyed. bad for advertiser, bad for consumer.

    And:

    ...the chances of anyone seeing anything they're interested in are tiny. bad for advertiser => bad for the world...

    Advertising is another business bubble that has yet to burst, it's just taking a really, really long time.

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  30. What a relief. by srothroc · · Score: 1

    Sure, people complain about loss of privacy and possibly being sued for ads (gay man tired of seeing ads for jewelry for the wife [but if they knew he was gay, he'd sue because they judged he was gay by his walk or something anyway...]), but I, for one, welcome our new targeted advertising. I'm tired of awkwardly sitting through ads for feminine hygiene products.

  31. Reminds me of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "John Anderton! You could use a Guinness!"

  32. What a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What a colossal waste of engineering talent and technology. So many things that could be done to better the lot of humanity, and where does the effort go? Into more and more elaborate systems that try to tap into and divine out our innermost desires in a neverending effort to convince us to buy yet more useless junk that we don't need. Everywhere I turn, there's advertising, locked-down technology, restrictions, eroding usage rights, and the wholesale measuring and selling of our eyeballs - all stuff that does nothing but make things more annoying and less convenient for the legitimate buyer.

    A significant fraction of our creative talent is being wasted effectively making mazes for the rest of humanity to run through all the while measuring the responses and tweaking the rewards to further encourage maze-running. I fear for our society's future.

    1. Re:What a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprise you haven't been flamed by some non-critically thinking dick.

      You have hit the nail on the head about what is wrong with so much of the wank consumer society we live in - where many many members of society are hopelessly dependent on consumerism. Adverts have told people for years that they can only be happy by filling their wants with crap made from plastic in a Chinese sweat shop, but this is all BS. People probably recognise this in themselves, but don't want to admit it, and even go as far as defending consumerism! Posts on this discussion do it, FFS!

      LOL, /. captcha strikes again: naively

  33. Well, that ain't targetted to YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An ad in a magazine targets the audience of that magazine. This targets YOU. Granted in this situation it is actually targetting the audience of the display but you could make a point that in system that specifically target a certain person then you could find offense in the choices the system makes. Especially if racist/sexist choices are made.

    A tampon ad in a magazine is there regardless of who reads it. But setting an ad for fried chicken for a black person and an ad for grits for a white person is bound to attract controversy.

    An advertiser would be foolish to do such a thing... but well if they had brains, they would have gotten by now that putting ads everywhere only reduces their effectiveness.

    1. Re:Well, that ain't targetted to YOU by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      Magazines know EXACTLY who most of their subscribers are, they have the addresses. Ads target demographics, and magazines don't get that from knowing who gets their magazines (except by comparing addresses to census data), they do studies instead because they don't have the demographics for each subscriber, unless they fill out a survey. This is another method of gathering demographics. There is no face recognition pointing specifically back to you because the advertiser doesn't have your face in memory. The information gathered in my case would be 'male, white, around 50, overweight, bald, dry skin, smiles a lot, has a smiling female with him a lot prettier than he deserves, must have a large penis or is wealthy. Clothing style indicate he is not wealthy. Probably a geek. Don't show Enzyte ad, show Eucerin and ThinkGeek ads'.

      I seem to recall where Amazon got into trouble for this also because they 'assumed' certain demographics when people bought things. It was bad for business and they changed it. I'm sure there will be startup problems, but it doesn't worry me any. I won't get upset if 'Hair club for men' ads show up.

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  34. How to fool them by ignavus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wear a football top and a skirt.

    Get your fancy dress party guests to walk by the signs.

    Will it recognise the gender of naked people?

    Dress as an alien (outer space alien, not a mere foreigner).

    Suggest that a band of midgets and dwarfs stand in front of the sign.

    Dress up in a kilt.

    Gay pride parade.

    Anyone and any uniform - especially monks and nuns (what do you sell someone who has taken a vow of poverty?)

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    1. Re:How to fool them by ignavus · · Score: 1

      That should read "Anyone IN any uniform..."

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    2. Re:How to fool them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Will it recognise the gender of naked people? ...is a hilarious question

    3. Re:How to fool them by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      Of course if it ever got to the stage of recognising individuals, for men at least the simple remedy would to grow beards. Even with medium-term advances in tech it seems unlikely that facial recognition will work very well differentiating between bearded people.

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    4. Re:How to fool them by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      A big piece of expensive "nothing" of course!

      Slogan: "More poverty, less money! -- iNothing, by Apple" (Who else could sell something worthless by putting a nice logo on it? ^^)

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    5. Re:How to fool them by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      I think there was someone in Adbusters who tried that a while back. Nothing(tm) - just what you need. Apparently lots of people called to ask what it was and where you could get it.

      So no, you don't have to be Apple.

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    6. Re:How to fool them by cffrost · · Score: 1

      [W]hat do you sell someone who has taken a vow of poverty?

      A shredder? ...To use as a piggy-bank, you see.

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    7. Re:How to fool them by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Will it recognise the gender of naked people?

      Wouldn't that make it easier to recognise/differentiate rather than more difficult?

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  35. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by VoltageX · · Score: 1

    Well you are Norse, you guys do have some experience with big hammers.

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  36. 100 posts into the thread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    100 posts into the thread, and not one person has said "In Soviet Amerika, box with advertisements watches you!"

    I hang my head in AC shame. Dudes, we're slipping.

  37. What if I don't WANT this? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Am I supposed to hide my face in public if I don't want advertising targeted to me? Oh, wait, in most places you get arrested for hiding your face! Where is my choice? Am I supposed to stay home to avoid it? I don't like this and don't want this -- and I don't think I'm alone in this.

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    1. Re:What if I don't WANT this? by selven · · Score: 1

      Oh, wait, in most places you get arrested for hiding your face

      You can get arrested for being a Muslim?

    2. Re:What if I don't WANT this? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      You can get arrested for being a Muslim?

      Funny, and a sad sign of the times as well -- but a bit obvious. 8/10.

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  38. Be more specific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What KIND of an LCD Display Panel are we talking about? If you mean a 'Liquid Crystal LCD Display Panel', just say so!

    Or preferably, 'Liquid Crystal LCD Display Screen Monitor Panel Panel', if you actually care about whether anyone understands you (I added an extra 'Panel' in case someone misses the first one)!

  39. Muslim women? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

    What will they advertise to women in a burqa? Fabric softener?

    Not racist, not flamebait, just pointing out flaws.

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    1. Re:Muslim women? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explosives...

  40. interesting to see Samsung doing , but no news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While it is interesting to see Samsung doing it too, there are no news...
    TruMedia and Quividi systems have been capable of this for some time now.. (> 1 year).
    There are other companies doing it too.

  41. Wait for it to advertize to a... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...dog as if it were a child. ...small woman with a stroller as if they were a dwarf with a dog, so that it looks like the woman were a dog. ...hairy hardcore ex-con biker with long hair as he were a black woman, trying to sell pantyhoses and high heels.
    etc.

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    1. Re:Wait for it to advertize to a... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Strange. Someone fixed the "Plain Old Text" and "Extrans" mixup I relied to for the last months/years. And replaced it by "HTML Formatted"??
      The "..." should have gone to new lines.

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  42. This is going to get weird. by Artuir · · Score: 1

    What will happen if a furry convention comes to town?

  43. "obey"? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    Alarmist and hyperbolic: check!
    Poor grasp of the issues: check!
    Completely one-eyed assessment of the situation: check!

    OK, the "obey" tag is cleared for use!

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  44. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by Vintermann · · Score: 1

    Disney, perhaps in anticipation of such laws elsewhere, or in response to consumer discontent, are already dealing with in their own way. No ads. But you see, there are Disney characters on that channel...ALL the time...

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  45. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

    I believe that there was a study done that found something like 40-60% of all sales of children's stuff happened because of begging done by the children. The ad agencies even did studies on how to increase begging.
     
    If you haven't seen it, the documentary The Corporation is very illuminating. It's rather leftist, but contains some very interesting information about how aggressively companies advertise to kids.

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  46. Overtargeting? Saturation? by evilWurst · · Score: 1

    Here is the reason this is going to be annoying: consider TV in general. Commercials on TV are already targeted, as far as targeting is possible. They guess "this type of person watches this type of channel at this time slot" and choose the ads based on that.

    And thus we see the same damn marketing campaign over and over and over and over, and this is annoying as hell, because even if the targeting was right, the commercials themselves are still the jarring attention-grabbing things they always were, because, hey, you might only ever see that one once so it has to get your attention! Except you end up seeing it 30 times and it started to grate after the third time.

    What this sort of clumsily tells us is that once you break the commercials down into narrower categories, a few companies dominate each one. It's like there's not enough competition (either overall, or just in the ad-buying process) to fully populate each category. Or, alternately, the ad-men are over ten years behind adapting to the times. Better targeting is going to mean the same total pool of commercials gets sliced into even more, smaller categories.

    And what *that* tells us is that, basically, if smartscreens are all over the place delivering targeted ads, we are each going to be followed around all day by *the same damn ad repeated over and over and over and over*. You won't be able to escape it! Maddening!

  47. japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wasn't this tried in japan for beer machines. epic failure if I recall

  48. Great feedback potential by fluffy99 · · Score: 1

    I think this would be a tremendous advantage by not immediately altering the content. If the system is capable of determining viewer attention (ie do they even look at the ad), then its a fantastic feedback mechanism. The ad agency can tell what ads are noticed and which are ignored. The second part of the equation of which ads engender brand recognition or result in an increase in sales is another hurdle.

    Personally face recognition is a bit harder. Anyone have a cell phone? How long before the advertisers start watching for cell phone signals and correlate them with a specific person or demographics. What about all those rfid enabled cards out there. It may not need or want or even be legal to identify you individually, but it could certainly determine what your demographics are. If the room is full of low income males, throw up a Budweiser ad. If it's older more affluent males then the ED ad. If minorities are present then show the multi-cultural version of the Microsoft ad. If its all white Pollocks then show the ad with the black guy photo-chopped out.

  49. So this means that if we pay the iPod fee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can infringe copyright as much as we want and it'll all be legal?

    Sounds good.

    1. Re:So this means that if we pay the iPod fee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh, right day, wrong story . . . .

  50. Re:Advertisements directed towards children = bann by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of commercials are shown during Saturday morning cartoons?

    Traditionally? Feminine hygiene and household cleaning products. That was the case while I was growing up in the 80s anyway, don't advertise to the kid, advertise to the mum.

  51. Nothing new here. by oldpond · · Score: 1

    That's not new. There's facial recognition systems running in every airport and Tim Horton's coffee shop in the country. Oops, did I say that out loud? On another note, can you even imagine a world without advertising? I can, and I like the idea.