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Artificial Heart Recipient Has No Pulse

laggist writes "A heart patient in Singapore has been implanted with an artificial heart that pumps blood continuously, allowing her to live without a pulse. From the article: '... the petite Madam Salina, who suffers from end-stage heart failure, would not have been able to use the older and bulkier models because they can only be implanted in patients 1.7m or taller. The 30-year-old administrative assistant is the first recipient here to get a new artificial heart that pumps blood continuously, the reason why there are no beats on her wrist.'" The story is light on details, but an article from last year in MIT's Technology Review explains a bit more about how a pulse-less artificial heart works.

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  1. First pulse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First pulse.

    1. Re:First pulse. by RandomFactor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Beat me to it.

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  2. Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by walmass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Paramedics/Doctors: Do not write me off as dead. Try to resuscitate"

    1. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by BobMcD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or don't try to resuscitate. Wouldn't CPR's compressions be both worthless and potentially damaging?

    2. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cardiac compression is the thin end of the wedge; Defibrillation would be real bad news.

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    3. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Funny

      Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

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    4. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by Inda · · Score: 5, Funny

      Agreed. What you would realy need is a hole and a crank handle.

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    5. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by Itchyeyes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the giant battery with a cable running into her chest might be enough of a clue for most trained medical professionals to figure out that her case is unusual.

    6. Re:Should sleep with a sign on chest/back.. by m.ducharme · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about:

      "Paramedics/Doctors: USB port for resuscitation and diagnostics is located under left breast. Use clean power supply when connecting to heart."

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  3. Interesting concept... by curmudgeous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but I definitely see the need for a special Medic Alert badge for this.

  4. All logic aside.. by faux978 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This probably wouldn't happen cause of medical history and all that jazz, but that aside, it'd be priceless to see a nurse unaware of the circumstance trying to take her pulse..

    1. Re:All logic aside.. by Thyamine · · Score: 5, Funny

      I imagine it never quite would get old either. Going in for a check-up with some new nurse. Watching her reaction as she adjusts her grip, then again, watching her change arms, looking a little more worried. Or maybe I'm just cruel.

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    2. Re:All logic aside.. by Abreu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, considering that my sister (she's a physician) tells me that life as a resident is a lot more like Scrubs and a lot less than ER, Grey's Anatomy, et. al., I am sure she would end up being the "newbie prank" for all new residents and nurses.

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    3. Re:All logic aside.. by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 4, Funny

      For added humor, start yelling out BRAAAIIINNNNNS with a glazed over look in your eyes.

  5. Any systems depend on a pulse by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With hundreds of millions of years of evolution, are there any systems in the human body that are dependent on the pulse to function properly?

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    1. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We'll find out pretty soon now, won't we?

    2. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by dsanfte · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most of these artificial heart patients end up dying of strokes, caused of course by blood clots. It's theorized that such clots are easier to form in a pulse-less environment of steady-flow than in an environment where the blood is being "shaken" a bit, ie the pulse with each heartbeat.

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    3. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by 0x000000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Apparently not a single organ in the body does serial communication by having it clocked in or out on the rising or falling edge of the pulse.

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    4. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by Myji+Humoz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Speaking as a biomedical engineer, there are no significant systems that we know of that require a varying pressure of blood to function correctly. The pulse as the blood gets pumped stretches the arterial and capillary walls slightly, but that's about it. Very few cells in the body experience the effects of the pulsing pressure to begin with, and those tend to be ones that can function despite the pulse rather than because of it.

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    5. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well if we're in there redesigning the system anyways, it seems that there should be some way to filter or shake the blood as it passes through this thing to prevent clotting. Heck in some distant future it'd be interesting to see if it could be designed to filter out unwanted levels things like cholesterol and the like. Or for diabetics, directly monitor blood-sugar levels and inject insulin as needed to keep things under control.

      Or with it being in such directly contact with so many of the body's essential systems, perhaps enough monitors could be built in that it could via wifi or the like send signals to the local dispatch office if the blood stops flowing, or if the blood pressure crosses a certain threshold.

      Of course I'm playing armchair medical engineer here with no real knowledge whatsoever, but that's what most "futurists" do anyways :D.

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    6. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 5, Funny

      +1 for necrophiliacs who get the best of both worlds.

    7. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by Alanbly · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article (the second link) specifically mentions that the flow rate increases when the return rate increases meaning that yes, it can keep up, and may even out-perform her old heart in terms of flow.

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    8. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by slack_justyb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      perhaps enough monitors could be built in that it could via wifi or the like send signals to the local dispatch office if the blood stops flowing

      Finally, a use case for IPv6. Give an address to every human organ in every human. I purpose that we use the 2001:911::/32 address space so that it is easy to remember your organs' IP address.

      Oh God! I think I'm having a heart attack, quick someone SNMP to 2001:911:34A:2F71::2 and send the restart command!

    9. Re:Any systems depend on a pulse by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can think of one organ that reacts visibly to blood pulses. Suck your gut in some time and you may see it too.

      What, my toes? I'd have to move my massive genitals out of the way too to see those.

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  6. Awesome... by pohl · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...now I only need to come up with the perfect crime that only a person with no pulse could get away with and I can cash-in on a screenplay for an episode of CSI.

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    1. Re:Awesome... by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 5, Funny

      That has already been done with Star Trek TNG, Episode 148, where a Takaran sabotaged a test and faked his own death in order to discredit a Ferengi scientist and steal the metaphysic shield technology for use as a weapon.

  7. Re:In a movie by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The easiest way of moving a fluid is with a fan. It's trivial to make an artificial heart that works like that, but it has a disadvantage; the fan blades damage the blood cells. A few devices that work like this have been around for a while for emergency use (e.g. if the heart stops in the middle of an operation), but they can't be used for more than a couple of days without killing the patient (having a few blood cells killed is generally better than having no blood flowing, so they're fine for short-term use). I don't know how they solved that problem for this machine.

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  8. Blood pressure issues? by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article doesn't address this, but I'm a little concerned by the idea of a pulseless system. On the one hand, there is no pressure spike, but on the other hand, the pressure never lets up. I'[m curious what effect this sort of device will have on strokes and other blood flow disturbances. The steady pulse-and-release rhythm constantly tugs at potential clots in different directions, presumably breaking up many incipient clots. Will a steady flow system do the same?

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    1. Re:Blood pressure issues? by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That said, I'm sure the 30 year old with the transplant would be happy to have any extra years. If it kills her at age 50, but keeps her alive until then, it's hard to complain.

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  9. Re:In a movie by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are the drawbacks?

    Welcome to the afterlife, Jean-Luc. You're dead.

  10. Re:Recipe for disaster? by Demonantis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suspect the battery pack strapped to her side and the scars on her chest might give them a clue this is not a normal emergency call. Its not like a pace maker where its contained within the body completely. Now that I think of it pace makers would cause more issues and they have been around for a while.

  11. What about clotting? by cyberjock1980 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm no med student. I'm just curious. I had heard that blood clotting relies on the blood remaining still for a period of time. Normally your pulse still allows for clotting because of the brief period of time that the blood doesn't flow. If you get a cut, you will bleed. In this case if the blood never stops moving will the individual bleed to death from something as simple as a papercut?

    But at the same time, if that were the case how did the patient survive the surgery?

    1. Re:What about clotting? by yincrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you just proved that what you heard was wrong.

  12. Re:In a movie by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or even more so, how do machines or the nurses/doctors see you're still living if you're temporary unconscious (maybe a few too many beers?) and your pulse is zero. Then they'll declare you dead and dig you to graveyard. Nice place to wake up after a night of partying.

  13. Kinda like a rotary... by Nexus7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know,
          piston engine go boing boing boing... rotary go mmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

    1. Re:Kinda like a rotary... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfff, stop being such a wankle.

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  14. Re:Recipe for disaster? by Smelly+Jeffrey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Automated external defibrillators, such as the Physio-Control LifePak 500, will only administer a shock if they detect a valid shockable rhythm, i.e. ventricular fibrillation. This AED will not shock anyone or anything that does not have that rhythm present.

    Manual external defibrillators, such as the Physio-Control LifePak 12, which may only be used by EMT-I or EMT-P (Paramedics) in my home state, can be used to administer a shock regardless of the presence or absence of any cardiac rhythm. This requires a manual override, and from what I have seen, is used even less often than the precordial thump.

  15. Re:In a movie by thhamm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome to the afterlife, Jean-Luc. You're dead.

    No, I am not dead. Because I refuse to believe that the afterlife is run by you. The universe is not so badly designed.

  16. Does she feel any different? by BobMcD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having always had a heartbeat since birth, I can only assume that I can feel it beat, but am ignoring it. Obviously there are exceptions where I can very much feel and hear my pulse, and am very well aware of it.

    She'll never feel that again.

    Does she notice?

    1. Re:Does she feel any different? by dpilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Without the implant, she won't feel anything again. There's no way to put this other than that it's a life-changing event. Many things after this will be different from the way they were before. But generally a life-changing event is to be preferred over a life-ending event.

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    2. Re:Does she feel any different? by PaganRitual · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'll swap with her. I've had an artifical heart valve since very shortly after birth, and every single pulse of my life since I've been old enough to understand the concept of my heart beating is, so long as it's not overly noisy, completely audible. And because it's an internal noise, or because I know what to listen for, it's much easier to pick up than you would think. I'm sitting in an office with about 10 people all working at computers and I can hear it now.

      Allow me to assure you that the tick of your own heart beating audibly for every single fucking beat, will slowly but almost certainly drive you mad. I used to sleep with a radio every single night on for a period of virtually 10 years. Even now from time to time I go to bed with headphones on to not bother my wife but still drown out the ticking.

      I would swap an audible pulse for no pulse at all in a ... well, heartbeat.

  17. No pulse? She's dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh wait, no she's not. She's fucking BREATHING.

    You're all idiots to think doctors, nurses and paramedics can't see if a person is breathing or not.

  18. Re:In a movie by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, for one thing, they haven't replaced her lungs with continuous, ehm, blood conditioner. :-)

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  19. Vonda N. McIntire, "Superluminal" by argent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Vonda McIntyre's novel "Superluminal" starship pilots had to have their hearts replaced with a rotary pump because the rhythm of the heartbeat caused a breakdown in their bodies during FTL flight.

    They called the pulse-less pilots "Aztecs".

  20. Re:In a movie by Drunken+Buddhist · · Score: 3, Funny

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  21. New rules required. by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 5, Funny

    I shall now have to amend my requirements for women that I will have sex with.

    Pulse now optional.

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    1. Re:New rules required. by Drunken+Buddhist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Normally I'd say that artificial hearts aren't designed for strenuous activity, but you're a slashdotter after all...

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  22. Re:In a movie by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Informative

    This device is bladeless. In fact, one of the major advantages of this artificial heart compared to the traditional ones, is that this damages less blood cells than all other artificial "pulsed" devices. It has other benefits, like smaller size and less energy consumption. Overall, it's a greatly improved system.

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  23. Re:In a movie by vtcodger · · Score: 3, Informative

    ***Well, for one, how do these people get their blood pressure measured?*** Good question. It would appear they don't -- at least not with a sphygmomanometer that depends on the Korotkoff sounds generated by cutting off pulsating blood flow. And they won't have a pulse either. Those characteristics would normally be symptomatic of being dead. Or maybe one can pump up the blood pressure cuff and listen for a single -- hopefully loud and distinct -- thunk when blood starts flowing. OTOH, not having a pulse or measurable blood pressure beats all hell out of having a pulse and not being functional. I can't imagine what they are going to put on her MedicAlert bracelet.

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  24. The perfect sniper by isThisNameAvailable · · Score: 5, Funny

    Snipers have to concentrate to manage their heart rates and time their shots between beats. A little practice and we've now got the world's quickest shot at 1,000 meters.

  25. Heart Mate II Pump by t00le · · Score: 5, Informative

    She is holding a Heart Mate II pump...most of our patients get this model...and NONE have a regular pulse. Funny since this is just breaking news and St Lukes Heart Transplant do it day in and day out, for a loooong time.

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    1. Re:Heart Mate II Pump by tomdarch · · Score: 3, Informative

      My father-in-law has a HeartmateII. In planning a family vacation after his recovery, we called the airline we were flying to review the issues with his having the implanted device. Someone took a bunch of notes and forwarded them to some sort of engineering staff at the airline. The response was "It's no problem. He just needs to turn off the device at takeoff and landing." Bwahahahahhah! (In the end, everything went fine, and, no, he didn't shut off his pump at takeoff or landing!)

    2. Re:Heart Mate II Pump by Spaceman+Spiff+II · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was looking for this comment as the tech is not new. I was surprised to see it now on Slashdot. Ventricular Assist Devices have been around for a long time, and I know that at least Thoratec's Heartmate II and Heartware's HVAD are continuous flow. At least 50 people in the US already have Heartware's device in them, and I think there's been a European study, too. One thing I've heard and would be curious to know if it's true, is that even though the device is a continuous flow pump many patients spontaneously develop a pulse anyway. Have you seen that?

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  26. Re:In a movie by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I aint'n't dead!

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  27. Re:In a movie by AndersOSU · · Score: 4, Informative

    the technical term for those wondering (this is/. afterall) is paristaltic pump

  28. this is great, but why not just regorw the heart? by PJ6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's good that these devices can now last years, but why wouldn't they keep the heart they take out, remove all the cells from the heart's tissue scaffold, and then regrow it with her own stem cells? They've already done this successfully in animals. One would assume that putting the original back in would be a better, and in the long run, cheaper option.

  29. Re:In a movie by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even more than that.. I want to see the eyes of the nurse that doesn't know her condition when she checks her blood pressure...

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  30. Re:In a movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Almost as good as smoking through that little hole in your neck.

    Oh damn! I thought that what it was for. A cigarette, after all, fits the hole perfectly.

    I just made an appointment with my surgeon to have it fitted for cigars, too.

  31. Embodied Cognition by commisaro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder what effect this would have on emotional response. There is growing evidence that there is a two-way feedback loop between subjective emotion and bodily affect. In other words, not only does being nervous cause your heartrate to increase, but an increased heartrate makes you feel more nervous. I would be very interesting to see if this pulse-less heart would result in flatter emotional responses.

  32. Re:In a movie by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, it means you're a Slashdotter.

    Whether that's good or bad is left as an exercise to the reader.

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  33. Re:In a movie by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 3, Informative

    Breathing. One of the checks is not just a pulse, but breathing as well.

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  34. Re:Oblig quote by noundi · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

    It's worse than that, she's dead Jim!
     
    No wait.

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  35. No pulse seems bad by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having pressure pulses should tend to make blood flow into places that are harder to get at. It's probably bad to operate continuously at high pressure, and it's probably bad not to go to high pressure. Like TFA says, further investigation into this type of pump is needed and planned if they can get funding. I just hope they don't test on some type population that happens to do well with it.

  36. Re:In a movie by mrdoogee · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the MIT write-up, you still have blood pressure. The device would pump more or less blood based on your body's need at the time. What you would NOT have is a systolic/diastolic reading. You'd have one pressure reading. No more 110/70 reading, perhaps a 85mmHg in its place.

  37. Re:In a movie by powerlord · · Score: 3, Funny

    What are the drawbacks?

    That when there's a bug, it's a Blue Screen of Death you wont be booting back from.

    So what does the call center script say?

    "If the patient has turned Blue, have them reincarnate and hope that solves the problem."

    "If patient is unable to reincarnate, please reintroduce the four noble truths and the eightfold path. Then re-attempt to reincarnate."

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  38. Re:In a movie by saider · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And how would that be measured (non-invasively)? Blood pressure is read by squeezing off the artery and listening and watching for the various points in the pulse. If there is no pulse, there is no measurement.

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  39. Re:In a movie by profplump · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It might be bad. Or it might be better. Maybe your arteries are only flexible because your stupid heart can't provide a steady pressure, and you needed to have flexible blood vessels to help even out the dramatic change in pressures that could damage more sensitive tissues. Maybe plaque buildup is a result of the flexing, and would decreased if the arteries walls didn't contract and trap small bits of plaque. Maybe it is bad for artery health, but your brain and mussels function 47% better so you're willing to put up with it.

    Since no one has lived very long on a continuous-flow heart I think any supposed side-effects (detrimental or otherwise) would just be wild speculation. In any case, given the much longer equipment lifetimes it seems like this technology is at least worth investigating; we're hoping to install it in people who would otherwise be dead, and there's a whole slew of detrimental side-effects that otherwise-dead people are willing to live with for the sake of not being dead.

  40. Re:In a movie by jockeys · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome to the afterlife, Jean-Luc. You're dead.

    No, I am not dead. Because I refuse to believe that the afterlife is run by you. The universe is not so badly designed.

    Blasphemy! I should... cast you out, or smite you, or something.

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  41. Re:In a movie by digitig · · Score: 5, Funny

    What are the drawbacks?

    Well, I'm going to have to relax my "anything with a pulse" criterion...

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  42. Re:"Here" is not a pronoun by pjt33 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know English grammar because I studied Latin. In fact, it was very noticeable in English lessons that the six hands that went up whenever a question about grammar was asked belonged to the six people taking Latin.