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Chemistry Tasks For the Computer Lab?

soupman55 writes "I teach Chemistry to students completing their last two years of high school. Basically it's a 'teach and test' course with a few experiments thrown in. I want to jazz up the course using computer and internet resources. For instance, I could set some tasks that require Excel spreadsheet calculations. Or I could set some web quests where students search for information online. One of the decisions to be made is: Do I use computer/internet tasks to help the students grasp the material that is already in the course, or do I help them become aware of ideas that are extensions to their course? Also, when I compare Chemistry classes with Accounting classes, it strikes me that unlike Accounting where learning to use software like Quick Books is an integral part of the course, that there is no particular software that a chemistry student must learn to use. Or is there? What in terms of chemistry and computers worked for you? Or what is there computer-wise that wasn't in your high school chemistry course but should have been?"

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  1. Dont make it too important by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't make the use of computers too important. While I think computers could help the course, we have to point out that this is highschool, and you really should be sticking to the basics. Unless you have some specialized software for showing specific chemical concepts, like how different atoms form different molecules, or something like that, I don't think computers have much place in the class. They should be doing real experiments. Maybe using excel or other spreadsheet to record and graph their results would be useful, with some curve fitting too. But beyond that, I think making too much use of computers will just stress students who aren't computer savvy with learning one extra thing, and distract from the information actually being taught. Short story here. When I was in university, I knew a girl taking chemical engineering, and in one course the needed to to VBA for Excel for one of their assignments. For students who hadn't done any programming apart from a single semester of C in the first semester, it was quite a task to expect them to program, and to understand the material of the assignment. Maybe kids are different now, and they are all geniuses on computers, and have no problems working with them. But I doubt it. Most kids probably won't have problems with MS Word or MSN Messenger, but probably will get quite tripped up by trying to use excel with formulas and charting.

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    1. Re:Dont make it too important by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Don't make the use of computers too important.

      I'll second that. There's very little point in worrying about computers and software until quite late in a university degree course (if then). Your time and resources would be better spent on concocting simple diagnostic exercises that can be completed in the lab or in tutorials in order to tell whether you have managed to get the concepts across. There's nothing reprehensible about using technology no more sophisticated than pencil and paper.

      There's a lot to learn in basic chemistry, and adding unnecessary factors to the learning curve should be avoided.

    2. Re:Dont make it too important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VBA for Excel for one of their assignments.

      I hope your friend reported the instructor - isn't teaching people VBA a war crime in some jurisdictions? :)

      But seriously, I can't think of anything WORSE to try to make real scientific graphs in than Excel. It wants to make fucking bar graphs out of EVERYTHING, and don't get me started on the clusterfuck required to produce proper error bars.

    3. Re:Dont make it too important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I use computer/internet tasks to help the students grasp the material that is already in the course, or do I help them become aware of ideas that are extensions to their course?

      If the class is an honors, advanced, or otherwise "above average" group it would be fine to introduce extensions to the course through computers. If it is a regular class, computers should only be used to help students grasp the material already in the course.

      Also, when I compare Chemistry classes with Accounting classes, it strikes me that unlike Accounting where learning to use software like Quick Books is an integral part of the course, that there is no particular software that a chemistry student must learn to use. Or is there? What in terms of chemistry and computers worked for you? Or what is there computer-wise that wasn't in your high school chemistry course but should have been?"

      My chemistry courses from high school through college did not use computers in presentations. Instead, they would use experiments and let the computers grind through the math and help to write the lab report.

  2. Or... by Mendy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...if it's that you really want to be an IT teacher rather than a Chemistry teacher maybe you could get a new job? :)

    1. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...if it's that you really want to be an IT teacher rather than a Chemistry teacher maybe you could get a new job? :)

      Better yet, how about I set him a task (God, I hate that phrase) -- go on a web quest to find out what chemistry software is available and track down reviews of it?

      If he doesn't even know the basics of research on the internet for himself, why the hell should he be asking the kids to do it?

    2. Re:Or... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      If he doesn't even know the basics of research on the internet for himself, why the hell should he be asking the kids to do it?

      So that he can learn from them.

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    3. Re:Or... by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 1

      Actually, students today have grown up in a completely technologically immersed lifestyle...the term now is digital native. These students tend to be more multitask oriented and prefer things short, sweet, and interactive. To that end, teaching chemistry is great when you use online simulations for each unit. One great website is phet learning, and another is explore learning.

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  3. Perfect for a chemistry class by stokessd · · Score: 3, Funny

    You guys could whip up a nice cleaner that will get the patina of snot, chocolate bars, and despair off the keyboards. Public computer keyboards are always nasty.

    Sheldon

    1. Re:Perfect for a chemistry class by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dishwasher makes a keyboard like new.

    2. Re:Perfect for a chemistry class by cychem1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I used to use a program called ACD sketch I see its still around http://www.freechemsketch.com/ its was fun to play with for molecular modeling.FTA I kinda had to chuckle at the accounting reference, I am a chemist and that is how I see chemistry as "electron accounting". In my experience as a tutor students need to be shown how spreadsheets can be used to interpolate data for everything from balancing equations to plotting curves for kinetics, spectroscopy, pH titration ect. and even for keeping notes formally scribbled on paper towels.."shudder as my former profs heads spin"

    3. Re:Perfect for a chemistry class by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Buying a new one works even better and, considering the price of keyboards and the invested resources in cleaning them, might even be cheaper.

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    4. Re:Perfect for a chemistry class by awshidahak · · Score: 1

      Mod this guy insightful. It's funny, but there is a serious need here.

    5. Re:Perfect for a chemistry class by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      It took 4 hours of scrubbing and a chemical bath to clean off 2 years worth of nicotine stains, spilled soda, and various other gunk in my 10-year-old keyboard. After it was all done it felt a kilo lighter. d:

  4. dunno... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only use I can think of is for balancing equations to work out, say, how much hydrochloric acid reacts with so many grams of sodium hydroxide. You could use vlookup (or similar) to save looking up molar masses or atomic weights, for example.

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    1. Re:dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree. I could not balance equations to save my life -- why is iron +2 and sometimes +3? I am sure there are some open source tools for this out there now.98

    2. Re:dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can even be both in the same compound

  5. Why Excel? by John+Hasler · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    > I could set some tasks that require Excel spreadsheet calculations.

    Why do you have to specify a particular Micrososft product? Couldn't you at least say "require spreadsheet calculations"?

    Better, though, would be tasks that require calculations that could be done with software (preferably software that actually produces correct results).

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    1. Re:Why Excel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Having taught undergraduate chem labs at university from '96-'01, I would argue that you should be forcing them to manually plot data on graph paper. Many of my students had been allowed to do all their "graphing" on their calculators through high school and it meant they had no solid grasp of how to use a graph to visualise and analyse data. I found that I had to teach students basic graph skills just so they could complete their physical chem labs. These students just couldn't deal with graphing *unless* they had their calculator. They hadn't *really* learned about graphing they had learned how to use their calculator to get a "correct" mark for a problem.

      By all means introduce computers/graphing calculators into your lessons, but ensure the students already have the fundamental knowledge and that the computer is simply there as a tool to allow larger amounts of data to manipulated. Teach the theory not the tool!

    2. Re:Why Excel? by rangek · · Score: 1

      One word: Solver. I have yet to find a suitable replacement for Excel's Solver anywhere else. Its uses in chemistry are extensive and educational.

      BTW, if any of y'all know of an alternative, I would love to hear about it.

    3. Re:Why Excel? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      I actually disagree. I thought it was really cool in chemistry class when I would copy my data points from my notebook into Excel and then have it figure out a regression line for the data. Sometimes we needed to adjust it to a logarithmic scale for the regression line to be a good fit, and the moral of that lesson is still with me. I think it's really cool to get students to work out experimentally certain values, and Excel is the most accessible way of getting them to analyze their data. Also, they learn about important concepts in science like outliers, contaminated data sets, and other things that require hands-on experience in real data analysis.

    4. Re:Why Excel? by soupman55 · · Score: 1

      I remember using Solver in some of my PhD work but I hadn't thought to use it in the classroom. I think it would be perfect for calculations with weak acids and bases, and buffers. And we could compare the results with the usual analytical approaches. And even go the next step and use Solver for something for which there is no simple analytical formula. Thnx for the suggestion.

    5. Re:Why Excel? by rangek · · Score: 1

      Yes. There are lots of examples out there of analyzing titrations and such with Solver. Check JChemEd for starters.

      A cool pedagodical aspect is that if you graph your system and step through the Solver iterations students can watch the model function approach the data on the graph.

  6. Not a thing by muridae · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Granted, it was 10 years ago that I took college level organic chemistry. The only thing I have seen in that time that would have been useful was LaTeX, for putting together nicely typed lab notes. You might, rarely, spend a week explaining how to use a graphing calculator. Keep it vague and the kids can apply it to a TI-83 or a software calc.

    You don't mention the funding of your school, or the tax bracket of your school district. For all we know, you want to teach a computer based course so you have more ways to fail the 75% of your students who do not have a computer at home. Really, if you want to teach IT, teach IT or programing or an Online 101 elective. I know, Teaching The Test sucks, but stick within the course. You find some experiments online to do in the classroom, you find time in the semester to add them in, and you make them relevant.

    1. Re:Not a thing by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Liquid nitrogen to cool an overclocked CPU?

    2. Re:Not a thing by zbharucha · · Score: 1

      LaTeX. Essential. Good idea.

    3. Re:Not a thing by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      For all we know, you want to teach a computer based course so you have more ways to fail the 75% of your students who do not have a computer at home.

      I think it's safe to assume he's not teaching in sub-Saharan Africa.

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    4. Re:Not a thing by fygment · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Disregard the negative commentary (like any teacher is trying to fail students ... grow up!)

      In order of priority:

      a) spreadsheets - Excel, OpenOffice, whatever. How could anyone do a lab without using one for tables, calcs, and graphing? Make them mandatory for experiment reports;

      b) Latex - to show there is a paradigm other than WORD and its the software for writing journal articles.

      Finally, check out this site. I've only ever seen free molecule visualization software (eg - PyMOL) but there might be some other stuff.

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    5. Re:Not a thing by irid77 · · Score: 1

      Most chemists don't use LaTex. Probably 95% of the papers in Journal of the American Chemical Society and Angewandte Chemie were written using Word + Chemdraw. It's just easier. We're not typesetters, so why should we learn to typeset?

    6. Re:Not a thing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      spreadsheets [...] How could anyone do a lab without using one for tables, calcs, and graphing?

      I don't remember how, but back in the 1980s I'm sure we did.

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    7. Re:Not a thing by muridae · · Score: 1

      Never taught in a county school in the southern parts of the USA, have you? Poor districts in the inner city? High school anywhere?

      Pick a railroad town, or coal mining town, or an old bust gold town. Just because you have never stopped in one of these does not mean there are not schools there. There exist school districts where there are students who do not have computers. I grew up in one, where parts of the county still have well water and septic tanks, and phone lines were just being installed 15 years ago. I have developed computer programs to take to schools in the last 2 years, where the school did not even have a pentium 3 era computer to run them on.

      Since the poster did not provide any information about that, I figured my responses should be applicable to situations at both ends of the spectrum; where computers might only be available in the school labs, or where every student has the top line gaming machine at home. Strangely, my opinion for chemistry remains unchanged: A computer is not needed for high school chemistry, and at the college level it can get you a lot of extra data, and help you make your reports more readable.

    8. Re:Not a thing by muridae · · Score: 1

      a) spreadsheets - Excel, OpenOffice, whatever. How could anyone do a lab without using one for tables, calcs, and graphing? Make them mandatory for experiment reports;

      On paper?
      Really, write it out and understand the process of what the work represents. Do not just plug the numbers into Excel and let that model it. Worst case, you end up with students who can turn their results into a graph, but still do not understand what the graph even means. Then someone else tests them by giving them graphs and asking what it means.

      The negative commentary is hyperbole, to underscore the fact that the saturation of computers is not what us geeks normally expect it to be. We live and work in a field where multiple computers per person is normal. High schools exist in places where there are old computers because the families can not afford new ones. Or afford a computer at all. The poster did not say that they work for a private magnet school, catering to high technology parents and students. I chose my advice based on the type of school I went to, that had 10 to 15 year old computers in their main 'computer lab'. And, before the snark begins, it was one of the better public county schools compared to the others in the Appalachia area of Virginia. Could get better by moving to a larger city, but that was not where the family worked.

    9. Re:Not a thing by muridae · · Score: 1

      Not a chemist myself, it was just one of the things I have found useful in typing up notes or homework where representing the equation in a textbook manner is more visually appealing than with a ton of parentheses. Mostly because writing out the quadratic equation as (-b +- (b^2 -4ac)^(1/2))/(2a) just looks messy to me. It is something that I wish I had available when I was taking chem, as a typed lab book would have been much easier for my professors to read.

      Not a requirement for a HS chem class, by any means. But one of the few things I thought could be useful. Not having used Word in . . . ages, the last I remember was that it's depiction of formulas was atrocious.

    10. Re:Not a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Mathtype. That's what some people submitting to the Journal of Physical Chemistry (my old research group for one) use.

    11. Re:Not a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OP can't be referring to a southern school - he'd be asking "how can I get the students interested in any reaction that isn't involved in making meth?".

      Anyways, I believe they have to accept "cuz Jeebus sez so" for credit on science exams there...

  7. Bookkeeping is not accounting by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > ...Accounting where learning to use software like Quick Books is an integral
    > part of the course... ...then the course is really just a vocational course in the use of a popular (but not particularly good) software package. Does the school get free copies of QuickBooks?

    High school: Headstart for proprietary lockin.

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    1. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      You beat me to the punch a bit here. I am curious to know why Quickbooks is "integral" to a high school Accounting course. In my opinion one should understand accounting before using accounting software, just as one should learn to subtract and multiply before using a calculator.

      Using Quickbooks as an integral part of a high school accounting class is strong evidence that the class may be essentially worthless.

    2. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You beat me to the punch a bit here. I am curious to know why Quickbooks is "integral" to a high school Accounting course. In my opinion one should understand accounting before using accounting software, just as one should learn to subtract and multiply before using a calculator.

      Using Quickbooks as an integral part of a high school accounting class is strong evidence that the class may be essentially worthless.

      The majority of high school classes fit that...

    3. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      I volunteer for a "Joint Technological Education" initiative for high schools in Arizona. This is kind of the trade-off I am trying to work through. Cisco and others give away access to some hardware/software allowing the kids to become Cisco certified before graduating High school. If going to college and moving down a true engineering role is the goal, a more generic hands on tech would be best, allowing them to learn any networking hardware... However finding a job right out of high school is going to be easier with a Cisco certification. Same with accounting, when the goal is a job strait out of high-school and your limited in the amount of time/skill to educate, giving them the minimum education to start working in the field immediately is better than preparing them for a college entrance that never happens. As a engineer I would rather move everyone towards the generic, don't hold them back from the best option at a college degree path (even for students who don't have that as a current plan.)

    4. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      But that is apples and oranges.

      A Cisco certification (Wow! That's pretty impressive for a high school) without experience generally qualifies someone for a job, let's say, in the $20k or better range (about $10-$12 or more per hour plus benefits), while knowing how to use Quickbooks is a lot more like knowing how to use Excel: you qualify for a secretarial pool at slightly over minimum wage, and at less than 30 hours per week, so no benefits.

      They just aren't the same.

    5. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      while knowing how to use Quickbooks is a lot more like knowing how to use Excel: you qualify for a secretarial pool at slightly over minimum wage, and at less than 30 hours per week, so no benefits.

      Really? I hired a non-degreed individual with basic Quickbooks knowledge (but no relevant work experience) for $32.5k last year. Once she completes 15 credits in accounting at the local CC, I'll bump her up to $37.5k -- She's doing low-level AP work (not on Quickbooks, on MAS90), which is drudge clerical work.

      Plus, secretarial pools? Seriously, does anyone even have those anymore? I haven't seen one since the 80s.

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    6. Re:Bookkeeping is not accounting by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      They don't call them that anymore, but they still exist. What, never been with a company that had a "word processing" department, or "administrative assistants"? I have.

      I suppose you can pay people whatever you want.

  8. If Biochemistry is ok... by matt4077 · · Score: 1

    There's a lot that's useful and fun in biochemistry, like fold.it, an interactive and actually useful (for learning and as part of a research effort) protein folding game. Also in regard to proteins, pyMOL (GPL version available but hidden on their website) and the pdb library make for some nice visualization. A little more advanced are molecular dynamics simulations.

  9. From the open source world by selven · · Score: 2, Informative

    Jmol is pretty good.

    1. Re:From the open source world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jmol is a nice program for visualizing computer simulations, but I don't see it fitting into a high school student's education.

    2. Re:From the open source world by muridae · · Score: 1

      Is Jmol going to teach them the difference between trans- and cis-, or dextro- and levo-? It might be helpful in addition to learning those concepts, but this still looks like something the teacher could use, displayed to the class as a teaching aid, not as extra homework. And students who do not have good spacial recognition may still not understand how flipping the mirror version will not result in the same chemical. Good physical models, that can be passed around, can not be discounted for that.

    3. Re:From the open source world by gilleain · · Score: 1

      Is Jmol going to teach them the difference between trans- and cis-, or dextro- and levo-?

      Well, if you display a pair of molecules, one cis-, one trans- then maybe it could help :)

      More interesting than Jmol itself are the many websites that use it as a teaching tool :

      http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/Websites_Using_Jmol

      I particularly like this symmetry tutorial which is a bit advanced for high school, maybe.

    4. Re:From the open source world by DragonMantis · · Score: 1

      While not chemistry class, students can and do make use of tools like this in high school. For instance, the SMART program.

    5. Re:From the open source world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think JMol is an excellent idea.

      I would've found a 3D visualization of the molecules [and their interactions] would be a very good addition to the blackboards I saw when I was learning chemistry at school and biochemistry later on...

    6. Re:From the open source world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My favorite example of Jmol usage: The Virtual Museum of Minerals and Molecules. Yes, I got paid to put its most recent iteration together. Your point?

    7. Re:From the open source world by soupman55 · · Score: 1

      Thnx for this: I liked the symmetry tutorial also - I immediately saw how I could also get students to construct simple molecues with straws and Blu-Tack, work out the axes of rotation and then check their answer on http://symmetry.otterbein.edu/ ... I had seen the Jmol site before but had forgotten about it - thx for the reminder.

  10. Don't forget about youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget about Youtube. There are tons of interesting experiments on there that the kids can watch.

    saturated sodium acetate solutions used to form columns on the desktop
    glowing pickle
    solubility of styrofoam peanuts in acetone
    gummy bear destruction with potassium chlorate

    I'm a chem prof and frequently refer students to certain links to try and grab their interest/attention since there simply isn't enough class time to do everything I want to do.

    1. Re:Don't forget about youtube by muridae · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sugar and sulphuric acid to demonstrate the change in volume between reactants and product.
      Rust and aluminium powder
      Sugar and potassium nitrate

  11. LaTeX by Visaris · · Score: 1

    I want the second the LaTeX. This is one of the main computer tools I find myself using in every single class, from English, to Physics, to Math, to CS, etc. This is the computer tool that should be taught early and used (if not required) in every course from then on.

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    1. Re:LaTeX by DragonMantis · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a high-school teacher, I have used LaTeX in physics class. It might seem like it has a steep learning curve at first, but the students catch on very quickly. It can be used both in reports and in presenting material to each other online. MediaWiki, phpBB, and many other tools for interaction have the ability to use TeX...which makes presenting equations far easier than hacking things together with HTML codes. Also, depending on the order of the chemistry and biology courses in your school, you may want to, as someone recommends below, look at PyMol or another 3D molecular viewer. There are also a number of decent Java packages that don't a local installation to run (which depending on how good your tech support is about installing new packages might be easier if the available computers already have Java installed).

    2. Re:LaTeX by superid · · Score: 1

      I have one son in college and two in high school. I know a huge number of their HS friends, their interests and their abilities. One in 50 would be even remotely interested or benefit from learning LaTeX, and their interest would have nothing at all to do with chemistry. If you really use LaTeX you know that it is not a word processor. HS kids are generally comfortable with a word processor and IMHO there is no benefit in teaching them a new non-chemistry concept and toolchain such as LaTeX.

    3. Re:LaTeX by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      My supervisor in my initial first-year chemistry units at university insisted on lab reports being done with pen (or even pencil) and paper. His philosophy was that the computer, with its bells and whistles of cool formatting etc offers too many distractions and is a big time-waster, and that a low-tech approach is a better way towards effective communication.

      There's time enough to deal with computers when it's necessary. Better to concentrate on what's actually important right now.

    4. Re:LaTeX by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      My first year physics labs were done in pen/paper during the lab section. I always thought it was pretty sweet...the chemistry kids would always be up really late the night before a lab was due but we just handed ours in, walked out the door, and were clear for another week.

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  12. ChemDraw is useful, but be wary. by sackvillian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Chemical structure drawing tools are extremely important with ChemDraw being mandatory learning at many universities, including my own. Check this list out for a list of many similar programs including FOSS equivalents.

    Beyond that, the biggest two uses of computers in higher levels of chemistry are for literature searching (with SciFinder being a clear winner here) and computational chemistry calculations (still unfortunately done mostly on with the anti-FOSS Gaussian software) though there's no shortage of excellent open source equivalents. Avogradro, for example.

    However, literature searches aren't going to be too useful without the journal access that Universities enjoy, and frankly most computational chemistry programs are too sophisticated for students of a high school level - though 3D models of chemical structures are always much more interesting. Since chemistry is still taught by using ballpark descriptions and approximations, then successively refining those approximations, I'd be worried that almost any piece of chemistry software would be too intimidating and difficult to explain because it's designed for users with at least a year or two of university courses.

    So, I'd think that teaching the students how to draw good structures (with stereochemical accuracy if possible!) on computers would be useful, and maybe 3D structures would be somewhat inspiring, but you're running the risk of over-complicating what should be a course in the fundamentals. If you have the means, you might want to focus on real demonstrations instead, which could be as simple as a marbles to demonstrate entropy, vinegar and sodium bicarbonate for acid/base chemistry, cornstarch and water to demonstrate non-newtonian fluids, alkali metals and water to demonstrate redox chemistry, salt and ice/water to demonstrate boiling point elevation and freezing point depression, etc. etc.

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    1. Re:ChemDraw is useful, but be wary. by Quantumstate · · Score: 1

      I don't think Chemdraw helps all that much for high school level. Most molecules are simple enough that the structure is fairly obvious. I remember the most enjoyable use we found was persuading it to create the platonic solids out of carbons. We never got the icosahedron working right though, there is too much scope for sections to be inverted. It was great fun though, we were particularly excited when we found out that cubane actually existed have 'theorised' that it could be possible with our severely limited chemistry knowledge.

    2. Re:ChemDraw is useful, but be wary. by muridae · · Score: 1

      Octanitrocubane. Detonation velocity of nearly 30 times the speed of sound. Keep away from High School students.

  13. typo by Visaris · · Score: 1

    "I want the second" -> "I want to second"

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  14. High School Chem by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only place I see a computer being really useful in a high school chemistry curriculum is in a lab setting. A few thermocouples and a digital voltmeter used to capture data over the course of an experiment could be used to pretty good effect.

    Otherwise chemistry at this level is all about learning basic concepts of thermodynamics, gas laws and the rules that govern the combination of atoms into molecules.

    1. Re:High School Chem by vlm · · Score: 1

      The only place I see a computer being really useful in a high school chemistry curriculum is in a lab setting. A few thermocouples and a digital voltmeter used to capture data over the course of an experiment could be used to pretty good effect.

      I can think of all kinds of calorimetry experiments, quantitative labs involving light adsorption, pH, etc, but all it really boils down to is automating the graphs and reducing the need to pay attention to the thermometers.

      Unfortunately, in a learning environment, the best time to think about whats going on was during the otherwise brainless task of reducing and graphing data... Taking that away by automation trains the kids to be lab techs, aka script kiddies, not how to think like a chemist.

      You're better off using the computer as a communication and reference tool. Write an essay about some facet of chemistry or chem engineering, using the computer to research. In google maps, you can see an aerial view of such and such chemical plant. Use that as inspiration to ask, "why" type questions.

      Another fun thing to do is essentially simulated large scale experiments via spreadsheets. Essentially doing the same word problem multiple times via spreadsheet.

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    2. Re:High School Chem by DragonMantis · · Score: 1
      Yes and no.

      Chemistry at this level, like most high school courses, should also be about learning to be an integrative thinker and relate ideas in one area to another. This include computer skills that might be learned in one class and applying them to another; connecting ideas from biology, chemistry, and physics; realizing that the problem solving skills of math translate; learning to apply the writing skills from English and history classes in other contexts.

      Believe it or not, this is not something that every student does for themselves. It is something that most need to learn. And the teachers that I work with usually spend quite a lot of time trying to help with this issue.

    3. Re:High School Chem by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That wasn't my experience at all. The mechanics of recording measurements very much interfered with the process of thinking about what was actually going on during the course of the experiment. Not only that but being able to apply multiple sensors to an experiment makes it possible to look at multiple factors simultaneously, something much harder if you are recording data manually.

      I've never found that a computer is a good reference tool in the sciences except under circumstances where you have access to literature databases - something unlikely in high schools. Libraries are still king in this area.

  15. Why Excel? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

    It seems to me like a pointless thing to require. A student at this point should be able to figure out on their own "I can save time by using $spreadsheet/calculator". I think you should neither require nor forbid usage of tools like calculators of spreadsheets, so long the student demonstrates they actually understand what's going on.

    Teach things with an actual specific application to chemistry. Programs that render chemical structures in 3D, programs that display the periodic table, etc. Show programs that actually could make things less tedious, clearer and more interesting in chemistry class, instead of turning your class into yet another boring lesson on the usage of office applications.

  16. Don't go overboard using computers by RevWaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm betting there's many a school administrator that loves the idea of teaching chemistry without using chemicals - "You can just use computer simulations! We got budgets 'n liability insurance 'n terrorism ta think about, ya know." Make sure your students still get their hands dirty, so to speak.

  17. I don't tihink you are actually a teacher yet by gorehog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you are a junior in college taking education classes and are trying to get slashdot to do your homework for you. Seriously, if you are teaching 16-18 year olds about chemistry why would you want them to spend excessive time sitting in front of a computer. Hasn't someone already taught them how to do library and internet searches for information by this point? Generally speaking chemistry should not be too much about clicking on the internet and on the computer. It is about the interactions of chemicals and what effects that has. You can use computers to collect data and analyze data but you should not be spending too much time sending your students off on "webquests" and "busywork". The computer can help them prepare reports and maybe even simulate interactions at the molecular level. So, what you really need to look for are software tools that enable experiments. Look for tools that help students do equation balancing and maybe even simulate the structurte of molecules in 3D.

    1. Re:I don't tihink you are actually a teacher yet by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      If you think he means that they would use the internet to gather information, you've completely missed the point. Real chemists use computers to analyze data. Of course you can't perfectly duplicate that in a high school class, but I think it is the responsibility of a good teacher to at least give them a flavor of real experimental science looks like.

  18. Another career by methano · · Score: 1

    Do your students a real favor. If any of your students are thinking of becoming chemists, you could tell them to use the computer to look for other fields of study. Companies in the US and Europe are firing chemists at unprecedented rates. If they choose that path, they better be ready to compete with Ivy League PhD's for jobs titrating paint samples.

    1. Re:Another career by irid77 · · Score: 1

      Do your students a real favor. If any of your students are thinking of becoming chemists, you could tell them to use the computer to look for other fields of study. Companies in the US and Europe are firing chemists at unprecedented rates. If they choose that path, they better be ready to compete with Ivy League PhD's for jobs titrating paint samples.

      This would be horrible advice. Having a degree in Chemistry is one of the best ways to get a job, with a BS, MS, or PhD. The need for people skilled in organic synthesis, biochem, and materials science (solid state chemistry) will only grow. Chemists aren't titrating paint samples, machines do that. Chemists design the next generation of nanotech.

    2. Re:Another career by vlm · · Score: 1

      Do your students a real favor. If any of your students are thinking of becoming chemists, you could tell them to use the computer to look for other fields of study. Companies in the US and Europe are firing chemists at unprecedented rates. If they choose that path, they better be ready to compete with Ivy League PhD's for jobs titrating paint samples.

      Well, I transferred out of the field more or less for the same reasons about 2 decades ago. Has the outlook for chemists ever been bright? Ever?

      Aside from our whopping two anecdotes, Nothing wrong with making a homework assignment be researching the occupational career outlook for chemists, as compared to ... whatever it is the kids have selected as a major. Making it clear that the point is not to kiss up to the teacher by sugar coating everything like a journalist.

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    3. Re:Another career by drjoeward · · Score: 1

      UGH no wonder they have to fire people.

      Grand advice.

      EVERYONE is firing and laying off nearly all fields at unprecedented rates.

      These are high school kids he is talking about. You do realize that there are other fields who could use a decent chemistry background:
      1) Physicians
      2) Nurses (reminder that there is in fact a nursing shortage)
      3) teachers (if our teachers had a better science background, our students would be better prepared to work in any field in the modern age)
      4) journalists (how many stupid media stories have their been because a reporter doesn't have a clue)
      5) politicians (well lets not go there, as I'm sure anyone in the chemistry community knows the story of the town council who nearly banned dihydrogen monoxide, because it was dangerous)

      I could go on and on. Just because they are taking a chemistry class and he wants them to have a better experience and be a little better prepared does not mean that they will all aspired to be a paint chemist. Besides chemistry is also very important in interdisciplinary fields such as bio tech, molecular biology, materials, nano tech, etc. I have many friends who are chemists, who do not hold what you would likely call a chemist position.

      besides in 5 years when these students graduate from college, the outlook may be very different, especially with the baby boomers retiring from their seniority protected positions.

    4. Re:Another career by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chemists aren't titrating paint samples, machines do that. Chemists design the next generation of nanotech.

      Correction:

      Chinese, Indian and Japanese chemists design the next generation of nanotech.

  19. Don't lose focus by JustNiz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >>> I could set some tasks that require Excel spreadsheet calculations. Or I could set some web quests where students search for information online.

    OK firstly what is it you teach again? Chemistry or Computing? If this is your plan it sounds like computing to me.

    Secondly, Excel specifically? Really? You're teaching them computing skills specific to a single commercial software product and computing platform?

    Try and avoid teaching skills (especially computing skills)that are too specific, and that are bound tightly to a commercial product. If you really have to teach that stuff in a Chemistry course at all, then at least use Open Source.
     

  20. Some ideas by whovian · · Score: 1

    Some kids have problems with three dimensions, so the graphics capabilities can help to visualize molecular geometry and atomic or molecular orbitals. Electrostatic maps can help to show the polarity of molecules. Spreadsheets can be useful because of the ability to change parameters dynamically with the slider bars (note: it works for Excel as well as OpenOffice).

    There are many apps at National Science Digital Library for K-12 classes. The main site is http://nsdl.org/ and the chemistry link is http://chemeddl.org/

    The NIST Webbook (http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/) has a lot of reference data.

    You could probably just do a web search on a particular topic and find several versions of java applets that people have come up with.

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  21. Math Math Math by superid · · Score: 4, Informative

    My friend is a university chemistry professor. She has complained endlessly that her incoming students lack fundamental math skills. They mindlessly write down whatever their calculator tells them even though it may be off by many orders of magnitude. They are unable to formulate or solve simple ratios and they have almost no concept of significant digits. I know these aren't chemistry skills but if you want students to succeed in college chemistry, I think it would help if you substantially reinforce the math while you are introducing basic chemistry topics.

    1. Re:Math Math Math by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      My friend is a university chemistry professor. She has complained endlessly that her incoming students lack fundamental math skills. They mindlessly write down whatever their calculator tells them even though it may be off by many orders of magnitude.

      Amen. My son is a high school senior. His Algebra II teacher actually encourages the use of graphing calculators and Excel for plotting equations. So my son plugs in the numbers and copies the graph into his homework. Except he only ever plots points at integer values near 0. So naturally his graphs don't represent how the curve really looks. Is there a singularity? He'll never see it. Even if it's at one of the integers he's plotting, Excel just throws #NaN and ignores the point in the graph. He graphed a cubic once, but the graph was just a straight line. Well, yeah, in that range, that's what it looked like. He completely missed the idea of the roots and plotted a wholly uninteresting portion of the curve.

      Bah. Kids. And I have no idea what his teacher is thinking!

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    2. Re:Math Math Math by JaWiB · · Score: 1

      The most useful thing I learned in high school chemistry was that units behave like variables. I wouldn't have made it far as a physics major if I didn't recognize when the result of a formula has the wrong units or that you can't add meters to seconds.

    3. Re:Math Math Math by six11 · · Score: 1

      Bah. Kids. And I have no idea what his teacher is thinking!

      Teacher is probably thinking about making sure students can pass the next state standardized test, which probably doesn't ask for students to interpret the meaning of an equation or function.

      Teacher is probably thinking about catering to helicopter parents demanding little Jimmy's grade to be raised because he tried really hard, because dealing with helicopter parents is a gigantic pain in the ass, and Teacher isn't paid enough to deal with that crap.

      Teacher is probably thinking how to maintain basic social order in the classroom.

      Teacher is probably thinking how most of these kids don't actually care, and that their parents don't seem to as well. Teacher wonders if school is just glorified day care.

      The bar is so unbelievably low in basically every subject in K-12 education that it is simply astounding this country doesn't crash and burn. Teacher is probably not thinking about the long-term societal impacts of letting most students get through their class without a lasting, basic understanding of the subject.

    4. Re:Math Math Math by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      And those problems are fixed how by graphing manually? Using a tool the wrong way doesn't make the use of the tool wrong. The whole point of graphing software is that you can easily draw it over and over again with different ranges until you get it right. If you can't find reasonable ranges under those simplified conditions, how will you when you have to spend the time to calculate every point yourself? Teach your son how to use excel properly.

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  22. No 2 data entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely you did a degree in chem if you're teaching it.

    My experience even at phd level is that people just don't do data entry.
    If you're doing real chemistry. The computers are attached to sensors of some type and plot the data for you. You can change the scale from time to time. Zoom in on interesting areas. But basically anything you're going to teach in excel is out dated by the couple of years later they end up using it.
    Really who enters data anymore? That's what the Apis and such are for. The only time you have any real interaction is preparing a report. You insert /copy paste the graphs into a doc. And describe what's going on.
    The chem that you should be teaching is to enable them to know which part of the represention is important. IT people will teach the copy paste. Etc.
    All the software will have changed in a couple of years anyway.

  23. You insensitive clod by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    There WERE no microcomputers when _I_ took Chemistry!

    Seriously though, Chemistry as you no doubt know, is all about being able to visualize. It's all about understanding these atoms and molecules flying around in comparative vacuums, being able to imagine their shapes and how this affects their interaction with each other and other substances, and being able to imagine the charges distributed across these shapes. I myself had no trouble "getting it" and being able to "see it". However any program that helps to demonstrate these concepts would probably be worthwhile. Certainly even power point slides in color and pseudo "3D" would be better than trying to figure out the tetrahedron the teacher was trying to make in chalk on a blackboard.

    However you must remember that Chemistry inevitably involves a lot of math - albeit simple math. And teenagers are some of the laziest creatures in the world. Therefore no matter how you sugar coat it, you will always get students dragging their feet because they're not prepared to do the actual work. There's only one way to get good at math, and that's practice practice practice! No computer program can fix that.

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  24. More chemistry experiments! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend more chemistry experiments. At high school I think the main emphasis should be on experiments and the wonderment of the subject. Most kids aren't going to use the calculations they learn so it is best to show them chemistry. For the bright ones this will also encourage them to dig deeper. My chem teacher was great, all I can remember is doing loads of experiments, and goods too, sprinkled with some calculations.

  25. ChemDraw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a pricey bit of software, but if you could use it to teach it would be great. Especially if you to incoporated organic chemistry into your lessons.

    1. Re:ChemDraw by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      ACD ChemSketch is free, and is very similar to ChemDraw.

  26. Teach and Test and no experiments.... by drjoeward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm going to rant for a second.

    It is classes like this that have made my job even harder. I teach college level chemistry (general, organic, and analytical). We have so many students who have come with "chemistry" on their high school transcript, but when they get into the first general chemistry class, they don't remember anything. Chemistry, as with most sciences is an experiential course, you HAVE to DO in order to learn. otherwise it's just memorizing facts from a book for some test, then that information is promptly forgotten (or more precisely inaccessible, since they are not being asked the same stupid test question)

    With the number of students who have a visual and experiential learning styles, I find it sad that we do not have better science students coming out of high school.

    I know it's not your fault, it's no child left behind and administrations that believe the only assessment of learning is a standardized test. I know chem teachers in my area who have had their labs shut down because of adminstrators who don't seem to want to understand what it takes to have a safe lab, and thus the first problem and everything is removed and you are relegated to theory only.

    Also I have to agree with others, too much emphasis has been placed on calculators and the like in high school I have students who can't divide by 10 without their calculator, not that they can't do it, but because they are trained to need to do it. Also include some basic algebra, solve for x. make sure that you go over word problems and show them out it is a simple ratio or a straight line equation that just needs to be manipulated. All of these are simple skills that they should get out of high school, but seemingly don't.

    That said I do have some ideas for resources.

    one good place to check out is the chemcollective at http://www.chemcollective.org/ they have a lot of online simulators, including a virtual gen chem lab (although I find it rather limited). it is funded by the National Science Foundation and is part of the National Science Digital Library.
    Also check out the rest of the NSDL. they have online and software resources for most sciences for K-12 and higher ed (don't be afraid to look at materials higher than the grade you are teaching, give them an extra challenge to apply their materials.

    Maybe include some kitchen chemistry.

    Someone mentioned chemdraw, It is the defacto standard in the industry and I used it for 10+ years. However, I highly recommend ChemSketch from ACD/Labs. they have a full featured free version that does nearly everything chemdraw can do and sometimes more. it does full IUPAC nomenclature w/ stereochemistry. it even interfaces with several online databases, such as pubchem.

    As for excel, it can be useful, but mainly for crunching lab data. I can teach a student excel in a 1/2 of lab period, but their low algebra skills makes it difficult for them (and painful for me) to convert what we are doing in the lab to mathematical equations in excel.

    lastly, check out the journal of chemical education. If you have access to it great. If not, it's not an expensive journal and it has a lot of good resources, both lab and computer.

    1. Re:Teach and Test and no experiments.... by WebSorcerer · · Score: 1

      I am a Ph.D. Chemist with 28 years of industrial experience (Dow Chemical) as an analytical chemist. I have over 30 publications in the scientific literature (some of them ground-breaking), have presented talks at national and international scientific meetings, and in my narrow area of expertise, was world renowned for my work in ultra-trace determination of toxic substances (mostly dioxin) in the environment.

      I agree with almost everything you said. I would add the resources of the American Chemical Society (http://www.acs.org).

      Some of the skills a chemist (or any scientist) needs beyond a knowledge of chemistry are (in no particular order):

      1- Documenting your work in a way that stands up to legal scrutiny. (Without documenting what you have done, it is as if you never did it because no one can benefit from it.)

      2- Presenting your work orally. (scientific meetings, work-group meetings, job performance reviews, ...)

      3- Knowledge of the scientific literature in your current area of endeavor. (Has what you plan to do been done before? Can you benefit from what has been done before?)

      4- Planning projects. (How should you go about achieving a project's goals?)

      You could help your students prepare for a degree in science by making them aware of the importance of these other skills.

    2. Re:Teach and Test and no experiments.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say listen to this guy - knowing that there is absolutely no substitute for actual lab work. If you aren't sure what to do in lab, I suggest reading the Journal of Chemical Education (Probably free in your local college library!) and also talking to your local chapter of the American Chemical Society. ACS has a lot of resources, and I'm sure they would love to assist you any way they can, including providing you with some tips to running safe labs, or providing lab experiments that teach chemistry with an absolute minimum of risk.

      http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=PP_TRANSITIONMAIN&node_id=855&use_sec=false&sec_url_var=region1&__uuid=27ca1584-8c59-4493-821c-fad85f893b12

      While yes, chemists use computers quite a bit - everything important can easily be taught in College. Use any excuse to get in the lab. It's a pretty boring science without lab work (with all respect to my wonderful colleagues in computational chemistry).

    3. Re:Teach and Test and no experiments.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using Molecular Workbench for some basic concepts (find it in Resources at http://concord.org). It can be used offline, so is great for those kids who have access to a computer (really, almost everybody - they can use a library computer).

    4. Re:Teach and Test and no experiments.... by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Like the other replies to this post, I completely agree -- I wish more teachers thought like this (and not *just* in chemistry). Teaching chemistry using "theory only" is like teaching programming using pen and paper (which I'm old enough to remember, and greatly resent).

      This is about mnemonics. Associate formulas, tables, ratios and reactions with visual memory -- seeing is remembering. Sometimes you don't even have to do the experiment in class -- if something is either dangerous or expensive, there's probably plenty of videos online of the process. This is actually a subject matter in which youtube is a "good resource" (for the visuals, anyway).

      Here are a few sites that either give examples of practical/cheap experiments or provide videos of all sorts of chemistry-related material:
      thenakedscientists.com
      http://www.rsc.org/education/teachers/learnnet/videoclips.htm
      http://www.planet-scicast.com/experiments.cfm

      Here are a few additional online chemistry resources (the more visual information, the better):
      webelements.com
      chemicool.com
      periodictable.com
      periodicvideos.com
      practicalchemistry.org
      mindat.org

      It's like any other subject -- get the students *interested* in _topic_, and they'll teach themselves.

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  27. spartan by Rutulian · · Score: 1

    Spartan is a very good program for molecular visualization. It will calculate ground state energies, electrostatic surface areas, and orbital energies. It is a very useful supplement when you are talking about lowest energy conformations and bonding. It's a bit expensive, though, even for educational use. Most departments I have been to have one or two dedicated copies that the students have to share. There are some alternatives listed here,

    http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/organic/mod/software.html

    Most of them involve getting something like Cambridgesoft's Chem3D and using it as a frontend for GAMESS or Guassian. Both are also very good programs....

    If you're looking for something more low-key, any kind of kinetics experiment usually involves some sort of regression analysis. It's a good opportunity to teach them something like R or Matlab. And SciFinder scholar is also a good program for doing database searches for compounds and reactions reported in the literature. Despite some of the other replies you have had already, it is important to know what tools are available and be familiar with them if you are interested in any kind of future in research. It also helps ground you in the fundamental concepts you learn in a textbook, but probably don't get much chance to apply otherwise.

    1. Re:spartan by cranky_chemist · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't recommend Spartan to high-school students. They can't possibly understand what the software is calculating without a thorough understanding of quantum mechanics, thus relegating the software to a toy with no practical application.

    2. Re:spartan by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. We aren't talking about doing transition state searches or anything like that. Simply using it as a visual tool can help students to better understand the Lennard-Jones potential, the van der Waals radius, and their implications on bonding. The geometry optimizations and electrostatic potential calculations allow you to explore the predictions made by MO theory. You don't have to understand the quantum mechanics to know that a higher energy conformation is less favorable than a lower energy conformation. So when you are learning about dihedral angles and conformational isomers, being able to do the energy calculations can help you understand the concept better.

    3. Re:spartan by TeethWhitener · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't recommend Spartan to high-school students. They can't possibly understand what the software is calculating without a thorough understanding of quantum mechanics, thus relegating the software to a toy with no practical application.

      You could say the same thing about many synthetic organic chemists, but they still seem to get something out of using quantum chem programs. In my high school chem class, we definitely hit the basics of QM, so it might be elucidative for the students to see that you can predict spectroscopic and thermochemical molecular properties ab initio from QM laws.

      One effective use of computers in the classroom that I've seen was from my advisor in grad school, who used the web to find videos of all sorts of dangerous or complicated reactions that he couldn't do in the classroom (stuff like large scale thermite reactions, or suspending liquid oxygen in a magnet). I do agree with most of the rest of the people here that actually doing the reactions will be much more enjoyable and eye-opening than watching a video of them. But I know that today's safety-obsessed culture probably doesn't permit you to do a lot of the reactions you want to do in the classroom.

  28. Not strictly necessary at this level by CuSO4 · · Score: 1

    There's plenty of excellent software packages out there for chemists, but would a high school student really know what to do with them? If you really want students to familiarize with molecules on a computer screen, I'd suggest going for Molden, Moldraw, or some other molecular visualization tool. If I were you though, I'd forget about computers and teach them some basic thermodynamics.

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  29. Chemistry is much more about practical skills by the_Khemist · · Score: 1

    I have to say that unless you are studying chemistry at university computers play a very limited role - even then I'd say you only really use software significantly when studying for a graduate degree. Having said that, there are some resources that may be useful 1. Labskills e-learning software http://www.labskills.co.uk/ This software was designed to allow students to gain some understanding of practical chemistry, the principle being that it allows them to explore using lab equipment and basic reactions and play around in a way that it is not easy to enable them to do in a lab. It's not supposed to replace labwork, more give them some preparation and complement practical chemistry. 2. There are some interesting videoclips on youtube, but you need to hunt and sift through lots of rubbish. You might find the channel called periodic table of videos (run by staff at the University of Nottingham) http://www.youtube.com/user/periodicvideos 3. You might find ChemSpider useful. (www.chemspider.com). It's a site which aims to bring together knowledge relating to chemicals. Depending on the compound you might be able to find spectra (UV, NMR IR etc) and other interesting information the record for cholesterol (http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.5775.html) is a good example of the sort of information you might find. 4. If you really need to use a chemical drawing package there are several programs that are free (as in beer) software, symax (http://www.symyx.com/micro/getdraw/) or Acdlabs ChemSketch (http://www.freechemsketch.com/) - this would be my recommendation. 5. You might find http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/All+Reactions an interesting read 6. It's probably above the level of your students but this can be fun/educational too. http://spectralgame.com/ I hope this is useful

  30. Basic Math skills and maybe graphing by spwathen · · Score: 1

    I teach college chemistry. At the HS level you really don't need a lot of computer experience, but the students need to have basic math skills and be able to use their calculators - including scientific notation, exponents and logs. Being able to make graphs and use related spreadsheet skills would be helpful. For example, measure transmittance of a sample, have the spreadsheet calculate Absorbance and then plot Abs vs Concentration to make a Calibration Curve. Add a trendline, too. More for fun, you could also look at the 3D structure of smallish molecules. I recommend Avogadro, http://avogadro.openmolecules.net/ it can build 3D structures so you don't have to find the molecule files to look at.

  31. Take a look at WebMO as used by Shodor and Gotwols by erikscott · · Score: 1

    Amidst the sea of negativity, I feel obligated to point out that this has been done. Much to my surprise, it worked. Course development was through The Shodor Foundation and a faculty member from the NC School of Science and Mathematics, Bob Gotwols. The course is aimed at advanced students but who haven't had diff eqns yet. They use WebMO as a front end to GAMES, GAUSIAN, and all the other usual suspects. Hardware was fairly modest - seemed like maybe two or four linux boxes.

  32. As a chemistry teacher at a community college... by cranky_chemist · · Score: 1

    I offer this advice: Teach them to graph experimental data, either with Excel or any other software. However, only do so AFTER they have learned to graph the old fashioned way (pencil & paper). I am often frustrated by my students' complete lack of understanding of (1) what constitutes a proper scientific graph and (2) what information that should be able to glean from the results. If you want to do them an even larger favor, teach them how to perform a manual linear regression of their hand-drawn graph (see http://easycalculation.com/statistics/learn-regression.php for an example). Linear regression isn't that difficult: once you get past all of the fancy symbols, it's really just arithmetic. Only then should they progress to Excel. A sample lesson plan would look something like this: 1. Perform an easy experiment to collect data (P-V data from a Boyle's law experiment would be a good example). You only need four or five data points. 2. Have the students graph the data by hand. Emphasize the components of a proper scientific graph (descriptive title, properly labeled axes that include units, etc.). 3. Have them draw an "eyeballed" best-fit line through the data and then teach them to calculate the equation of that line. 4. Now have them perform a manual linear regression and compare this new straight-line equation with their estimated equation. This is an excellent opportunity to teach them the usefulness of linear regression. 5. Now teach them to construct the same graph in Excel or other graphing software and have the software perform the linear regression. Again, they should compare their results to the computer's results. The idea is to teach them that tools like Excel or ONLY TOOLS. Software is not a magic black box that miraculously spits forth meaningful numbers. They are simply tools that save scientists time, and scientists must understand what the software is doing before he/she can "trust" the results. Best of luck to you.

  33. More lab time! by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kids don't need to play with computers. Computers are no longer novel.

    Kids need LAB TIME. Chemistry lab time is fun, for everybody. IIRC my high school chem classes were 2 lecture + 1 lab.

    If you are getting enough lecture time in that you can think of "jazzing up" the course with computers, get them to throw some lithium into a beaker full of water or something instead.

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    1. Re:More lab time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computers are no longer novel.

      That really depends on the school. In some places, the kids are still totally technologically lacking because they have no computers at home, and the districts have little money for computers. Some of these kids have VERY little concept of how to even open a web browser or Word. In some circles, computers are still very novel.

    2. Re:More lab time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree - students need lab time to learn chemistry. Perhaps you are short on funds for stock items for a lab, but have computers available? This is the only reason I could imagine why you would want to spend time with a computer in a chemistry class. I would advise you to look for "financially cheap" experiments. You don't need an NMR or even a GC at the intro level. Hell, you don't even need a pH meter, strips are pretty cheap. You don't need quantitative glassware - you can have students recalculate and re-label kitchen measuring cups with the metric scale. Just an example.

      Some have suggested use of a spreadsheet. I would discourage this at the intro level. Focus on real world measurements and observations, and then have them do the math by hand - this will help much more than worrying about one student creating a spreadsheet template and emailing to all the other students.

  34. Computational Sensors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am struggling to remember exactly what was taught in high school chemistry, but I am fairly certain pH and acid/base concepts are taught in the class? That could be an interesting experiment to do using computers and data acquisition software. You could tie it in with molarity/mole studies by say.. taking three bases or acids and splitting them in to three marked containers, X, Y and Z. Have groups of students take the pH of those "mystery" flasks (maybe 3 groups of kids per container to try to at least get 1 group to do it right). The groups could then get together and titrate X in to Y or whatever and use the pH sensor attached to the computer to record the changes. They'd end up getting a sigmoidal curve, have them compute the rates and things? Calculate proton levels using pKA calculations.

    Something like that? Caveat: liquids near school PCs. Maybe have the sensor wired through a hole in a box that they set the flasks in just in case they spill?

  35. Just the basics by amide_one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a chemistry prof, currently teaching the "general chemistry for science majors" track at a comprehensive university. (So, these aren't the most brilliant students ever, but they're not stupid; most did take at least one chem class in HS, and about half took Honors or AP level.)

    We teach them spreadsheets in lab, and they pick it up fairly quickly. The best way for most of them is by peer example, which is why it works better teaching that in a lab setting. We expect to teach them spreadsheets, even the engineering students.

    If you really want to help your students learn chemistry by using technology, then focus on what they're worst at. You *are* keeping records on how well they do on different concepts or types of questions, right? (There's an excellent use for "spreadsheets in the classroom", even if it's just behind the scenes.) Use that data to identify one or two concepts per year. Maybe computers could be used to animate gas molecules to help them picture kinetic theory. Maybe computers could be used to do nice "3D" displays of crystal structures. Or maybe the easiest and most effective way to get that across would be with a hands-on model, or a game.

    Students in the first semester chem class - and again, these are STEM majors, many of them in calc/precalc for math - are weak on some very basic concepts: Units & unit conversions. The mole. Names of ions - it's astonishing that some of them don't seem able to understand that there's a difference between words like "chlorite" and "chlorate" or "sulfate" and "sulfide". (Then again, they're just as insensitive to errors in English spelling.)

    Teach them how to take "the chemistry" in a problem and decide whether it's better to express that relationship in math, or to analyze it in a qualitative ("cartoon picture in my head") sense. Help them learn to pick the right formula, plug in the given values in the right spots, and manipulate it to get the right answer. Help them start to look for patterns in different kinds of problems - "isotopic abundance problems" and "density of a mixture of two liquids" are indistinguishable once you strip off the chemistry and start working them algebraically, but it takes some of them literally forever to see that they aren't radically different kinds of problems. Instead of expanding coverage, it might even help to reduce coverage - drop a couple of chapters if it gives them more time to really understand the basics. What's the point in getting them turned on by making nanotubes in lab or whatever other sexy demo/lab project you can come up with, if they go off to college and discover they're already behind from the first week of classes?

    Would computers help with that? Sure. Some kind of Flash game, maybe; I'm trying to decide whether an idea I've had for one would be more effective as Flash or as hands-on game pieces. But computers aren't automatically the solution to "they can't convert miles to nanometers".

    And no, I don't know of any "chemistry software" that I'd expect them to know coming in. Molecular modeling tools might be a help, but the good ones are expensive to license and require deeper knowledge to use than 99% of HS students probably have. Spreadsheets might be useful, but again, they'll learn those as freshmen anyway.

  36. options by samu0086 · · Score: 1

    You could try to introduce basic computational chemistry through ChemOffice or PCmodel. Have them find the lowest energy conformation for a particular cyclic structure. Have them explain why adding a particular group at a particular location increases the conformational energy. Or just integrate this into their lab reports by having them create these 3d/kekuli structures in ChemOffice and paste them into their reports. Searching through the literature for chemical information is a very important skill to develop as 6 hours in the library can potentially save 6 months in the lab. But as a high school, I doubt you have access to Merck Index online or the other expensive chemical databases. I think an ability to search MSDS databases would be appropriate for high school students. These are can be found for free online and you build good safety habits by making your students comfortable searching for safety information (ignition temp, vapor pressure, hazards, etc...) for chemicals they will use. Most university programs teach these skills anyway but they will have a head up on the assignment. gl hf dd.

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    1. Re:options by scheme · · Score: 1

      You could try to introduce basic computational chemistry through ChemOffice or PCmodel. Have them find the lowest energy conformation for a particular cyclic structure. Have them explain why adding a particular group at a particular location increases the conformational energy. Or just integrate this into their lab reports by having them create these 3d/kekuli structures in ChemOffice and paste them into their reports.

      We're talking about high school students. Without quantum mechanics, they're not going to be able to really understand what they'll be calculating or the methods behind the calculations. They'll essentially be plugging a structure and/or numbers into some software and cutting/pasting the results into their reports. That's not going to help anyone. Same with literature searches, most high schools don't have access to scientific journals or aside from the odd journal or two, they'll be limited to abstracts from the articles they find. Looking up chemicals/hazards in the merck or sigma handbook/website is much more useful.

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  37. Avagadro by norletsk · · Score: 1

    I would recommend Avogadro. It is a molecular editor and viewer released under the GPL. For high school students, it could be used as a substitute for the ball and stick model kits. It has a simple interface and most of its basic functions can be learned within an hour or two.

  38. 3D molecular modelling by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    Not just for teaching the core ideas, but to demonstrate that chemistry can be fun, and you get to play with fast computers. In fact, my lecturer in molecular modelling admitted that he got into the field partly because of the pretty pictures. I have also focused on the modelling aspects in my chemistry studies, mostly due to my past experience in computational physics.

    I would like to note that my primary career is in teaching, and I have discussed the use of computers in science teaching with lots of experts. It is true that the core concepts and laboratory work are essential, but it is still a good idea to use some extra motivation for students with different interests.

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  39. The Most Important Thing is.. by rocker_wannabe · · Score: 2, Funny

    The most important thing is to not give them any real experience with using chemicals and put the fear of God into them so they will never be tempted to do any real chemistry experiments. This will keep any of them from creating explosives and joining a Jihad, which would probably cause you to either go to jail or at least get on a no-fly list. Just teach them the laws of thermodynamics, gas laws and a lot of theory without ANY practical experience which will keep everyone safe. They will be so bored that most will lose any desire to pursue any further study of chemistry.

    Actually, you should think of yourself as an anti-chemistry teacher. Why invite trouble when you can give students A's without any risk to yourself. Remember, big-brother is watching you!

    THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY YOUR FRIENDLY HOMELAND SECURITY DEPARTMENT

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  40. Just teach them to indent their code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I used to assist undergrad. computer labs 20+ years ago I could spot the Chemistry students' work from the other side of the (large) terminal room.
    They invariably used a "close packing arrangement" to cram as much code as possible on each line.

    Accountancy, Maths and Engineering majors' code also had tell tale "fingerprints" - I suppose first instincts are to preserve style when transcribing algorithms to code.
    Blackboard space must have been tight in the Chemistry lecture halls.

  41. Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not a chemistry teacher, but I am a scientist. I thought that a good exercise for school kids, where they could use the internet and gain an awareness of how chemistry affects them everyday, would be to take some consumer product (could be a food, shampoo, other cosmetic, basically anything that you put on, or in, yourself) and look up what all the things in the ingredients list are and write a small essay about them. Lots of the ingredients in things have complicated names, but they're quite common between things.

    In the way of computing stuff, I would think something like PyMol would be cool. PyMol allows one to view the molecular structures of proteins. You can go to the Protein Data Bank (PDB) and download the atomic coordinates for any protein that has had its structure solved. This might not be considered "proper chemistry" but it's not too far away either :o) Proteins are really the workhorses of the cells in our bodies, so people should definitely take more interest in free resources like these. They also have a "molecule of the month", if you can't find a protein that you like :o)

    Have fun

  42. Chemistry and slide rules ( ! ) by coganman · · Score: 1

    My high school chem teacher, in the late-80's, forbade us from using calculators. Instead, he made the entire class buy slide rules, and do /all/ of their calculations with those. At first, we thought he was nuts -- why waste time learning to use a slide rule when you could do it all that much faster with a calculator. Then, after a while, we realized that there was a method to his madness -- that getting "good enough" calculations that were within the right order of magnitude, was much more important than getting perfect calculations that were off by a factor of 100 or 1000. Knowing that there are exactly 5,515,631,995,531,583.83 atoms of carbon in 1 microgram of sugar is much less useful than knowing that there are about 5-7 x10^20 atoms of carbon in one gram. More generally, this attitude gave us the mindset of thinking in terms of being able to do quick estimates that were generally "good enough" approximations, and, more importantly, being able to do those order-of-magnitude estimates to know when something /isn't/ right. Thanks to how ingrained that thought process became, it's become extremely useful in the 20+ years since, whether I'm doing some estimate involving finance, economics, computer science, or most anything involving numbers. And, having talked to some other students who'd taken the class with me, they have the same memories -- thanks to being forced to think in terms of appropriate orders of magnitude thanks to the slide rule, it's helped them thru the rest of their professional lives.

  43. VMD is pretty cool by Wannabe+Code+Monkey · · Score: 1
    http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/

    I know their website shows off the incredibly complex molecular structures that VMD is capable of simulating, but it also does a great job with simpler structures that you're likely to run across in a high school course. It's also open source and runs on Windows, Mac, Linux (along with just about any other unix variant http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Download/download.cgi?PackageName=VMD).

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    1. Re:VMD is pretty cool by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      I'll agree that VMD is something that is definitely worth teaching about. It's free, and easy to install and use on a variety of platforms. I'd also recommend introducing them to the Protein Data Bank, which is a free database of x-ray/nmr structures of proteins. Though it gets a bit more into biochemistry and molecular biology from a basic high school chemistry course, some of the simpler structures available there would give a student a good introduction to some of the applications of computational chemistry.

      While most of the professional molecular modeling software (InsightII, Sybyl, MOE, etc) will likely be out of the price range of a high school course, ArgusLab is free and pretty decent for some basic small molecule type stuff. The Accelrys Discovery Studio Visualizer is a freely-available version of Discovery Studio, which is also pretty decent. There's a Windows and Linux version of this.

      Depending on how advanced your students are, you may want to introduce them to some molecular dynamics. NAMD is freely-available for Windows/Linux/Mac, and there are some good tutorials available. However, this might be getting a bit too advanced for a basic high school course, and might be a bit better to introduce at the undergraduate/graduate level. For most high school students, I'd probably teach them the basics would ArgusLab first.

  44. In academia, I combined Comp. Sci. w/ Sciences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Per my subject-line above, AND IT SAVED MY A$$ IN A SCIENCE CLASS NO LESS - read on, in case you're interested:

    "Most kids probably won't have problems with MS Word or MSN Messenger, but probably will get quite tripped up by trying to use excel with formulas and charting.
    Reply to This"
    - by CastrTroy (595695) on Sunday January 31, @08:46AM (#30969964) Homepage

    I don't know about today: I have personally found that today's young computer scientists in academia are QUITE IMPRESSIVE (because I have returned to academia for more advanced studies in this field to "upgrade/update" my skills, & mainly in JAVA):

    I.E.-> They're more proficient, overall, than the crop I 1st attended collegiate academia with 16++ yrs. ago on a Comp. Sci. degree... & they're quite rational about it, as to why.

    E.G.-> One truly brilliant young man I've had the luck to meet actually, in CSC oriented classes, explained it this way to me "We grew up on these machines - your peers @ that time did not. This is the 'why' of why you think we're better/stronger @ computers than your generation was. While you were learning, so were we and like you we did not stop"... it made absolute sense to me.

    NOW, back on my subject-line: When I was there doing my required sciences courses, I built a database of terms (for the sciences in question) from the textbook's glossary to make up for my lab partner's leaving school (& his sticking me with a bum grade on a lab because of it, the labs were done in partnerships/teams is why)...

    I built it, so that during labs, students could refer to it easily enough to get the points that were on said lab for defining pertinent terms.

    IN THE END? Hey - It worked out for an A+ and, my not having to take the final even (this was the deal I made with a prof., because my lab partner "failed out/dropped out" (I never did get the REAL story on that, but it didn't matter either)).

    My then former lab partners' leaving school "stuck me" with a D on a lab, which weighed in @ 40% of my grade or better - can't have that.

    So, I told the prof.:

    "Look, I cannot control what my lab partner does, but since you DEMAND we do labs as partners, his failing to do his end has hurt my GPA badly... so, I have an idea"

    AND, that's when I wrote that database of scientific terms for he & his particular science class, and that prof. stayed 'true to his word': He liked the program, and kept it, plus he gave me a great grade for my efforts.

    That program (built in VB3 for Windows 3.x) was used in the college's library for countless years in fact for that very purpose for his classes (labs definitions).

    Now, since I have returned to academia recently as well as I noted above? Well, I am in another sciences class (GENETICS) & for said science class, I have already programmed up an atomic simulation via Delphi 7.x & OpenGL libs usage (based off a design I did YEARS earlier in 1999 while experimenting with OpenGL screensaver creation), to simulate the proton + neutron + electron in a Hydrogen atom (no neutron in Hydrogen though) via displaying the "in-motion" structure of a hydrogen atom for said class via programming it for the class (as a future "extra credit" project really, for this class). It's implemented as a screensaver.

    Computers in the sciences - Especially in academia? DOABLE, & I have personally found that most science prof.'s tend to "relate to it" when YOU combine YOUR SCIENCE (in my case, Comp. Sci.) ,b>with THEIR SCIENCE.

    APK

    P.S.=> Just some ideas, & ones I have used in academic environs many decades ago (combining sciences no less) & that I intend to use yet again too... because it's applying techniques &/or terms from both really, which is, what it is really, all about imo! These machines in computers? Perfectly lend themselves as tools to most any scientific field after all... & in many a way! apk

    1. Re:In academia, I combined Comp. Sci. w/ Sciences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy ctrl-b Batman!

    2. Re:In academia, I combined Comp. Sci. w/ Sciences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what part of your posting skills I love the most , the bolded parts, THE CAPSLOCK PARTS or the BOLDED CAPSLOCK PARTS, no wait, it's the use of @ (2 keypresses) instead of 'at' (2 keypresses).

    3. Re:In academia, I combined Comp. Sci. w/ Sciences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what part of your posting skills I love the most , the bolded parts, THE CAPSLOCK PARTS or the BOLDED CAPSLOCK PARTS, no wait, it's the use of @ (2 keypresses) instead of 'at' (2 keypresses). - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 31, @06:52PM (#30975334)

      I don't know what part of your trolling skills I love the most , the off topic parts, THE TROLLING PARTS or the NEEDS HOOKED ON PHONICS PARTS, no wait, it's the use of off topic trollery (never on topic) instead of being on topic (and needing to get a PHD in English before you criticize others on writing, as well as your needing to learn how to read in the first place).

    4. Re:In academia, I combined Comp. Sci. w/ Sciences by sep0209 · · Score: 1

      So...did that help you understand fugacity, activity coefficients, and solubility products? Just wondering...

  45. Material safety data sheets by smorar · · Score: 1

    The most valuable online resource in my opinion as far as chemistry goes are the various online databases of material safety data sheets. Students should be encouraged to look these up before handling a new chemical that they haven't used before.

  46. The only thing I used a computer for... by Braedley · · Score: 1
    ...was a research project. Basically we picked a chemical compound (it couldn't be an element or a single element compound) and had to do a poster on the history, common usage, etc. I think water was disqualified for some obvious reasons. Of course, the computer wasn't necessary, and this was around the time that wikipedia was discouraged as a source (especially a primary source). However the fact was that traditional encyclopedias only contain maybe a paragraph or two for a given subject, and attempting to find something substantial on one chemical in the library was difficult, if not impossible.

    Granted, this says nothing of the other possibilities of using a computer in the class. Statistical modeling of reactions, physical modeling of compounds and their interactions with other compounds, all could make use of the computer.

  47. history and logic by pooh666 · · Score: 1

    1. In HS I found that chemistry was a bunch of here is how it works with little reasoning behind any of it. Enable your students to go beyond that, teach them how chem lit works. Have them go to the library and look up old metallurgical patents. 2. Inorganic chemistry is really cool, except when you teach it from a stupid text book. Many people say they don't get science because it DOESN'T make sense from a text book. Some of these people would make great scientists and don't even know it because they do not take things on faith! Dump the book but cover the topics in your own way. I bet you find some of those so called non science people really getting it when you present things in a logical/historical rather than a factual dump sort of way. Both of these will naturally result in a lot of Internet and lit research that both you and your students will have to do. And it is probably totally impractical for "modern" education"

  48. Gaussian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every computational chemist learns to use Gaussian/GaussView at some point, why not use those?

  49. Get their hands wet and teach by pesho · · Score: 1

    Jazzing up beginners chemistry classes (biology and physics too) with computers strikes me as an attempt replace real teaching with simulations. Besides there is no reason to teach them bad science skills (Excell) in science class. As you noted science is not accounting. Guess in which field being creative is good and where it is bad.

    My advice would be:

    1. Make damn sure all of your students can balance chemistry equations and can move from moles to grams to liquid volumes with ease.

    2. Get their hand wet. Do as many experiments as you can. You can do things like analytical inorganic chemistry reactions (color change, precipitate formation) to identify ions in solution, titrations to measure concentrations, reactions that illustrate properties of some organic molecules like using glucose to reduce silver ions and turn the glass tube into a shiny mirror.

  50. ADME & Toxicology stuff by msimm · · Score: 1

    Or some sort of modeling.

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  51. Not chemdraw or LaTex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Caltech grad student in chemistry and a multiple-year TA in gen chem there, I have to agree with several of the above posts which stress the importance of lab work over simulated experimentation. I disagree that chemdraw or chemsketch would be useful, as these programs are designed mainly for creating pictures of organic molecules using skeletal notation; unless you are planning to teach a little orgo (which I am all for, by the way, since most people never see any until their second year of college, and it's a completely different way of thinking about chemistry than what most high-schoolers see...might make some students interested who otherwise are not, and it's incredibly relevant to drug design and nutrition), chemdraw is a waste of time. LaTeX is mainly useful for properly formatting mathematical documents, and would be unnecessary in high school chemistry. The most useful things I can think of for you would be the use of excel to create plots of experimental data to show how the formulas can be used to determine unknowns, or possibly introduce them to orbitals.com, which has nice accurate pictures of all the atomic orbitals, or maybe have them use the Internet to write a report about a significant chemical process.

  52. Please, No Excel! by paploo · · Score: 1

    The one thing that stuck out to me about this post was your suggestion of using Excel to do scientific computations. As a physicist and a software developer, this idea sends (bad) chills up my spine. I have seen so many real-world engineers struggle to make Excel do what they need (rather for computation, data analysis, or data plotting), rather than spend a weekend learning how to use a much better tool.

    Somehow, learning to use Excel to solve your problems ropes them in so that they just continue to use it to solve their problems, no matter how difficult it is for them to wrangle Excel into doing it. Excel is a *financial* program that MS had added some scientific functionality to in order to sell more units to naive individuals who were never taught that there was anything better.

    You talk about calculation packages, so I'll start there: If you want a calculation package, you could look at finding a freeware alternative to one of the big computing programs like MatLab, Maple, or (for more symbolic kinds of math) Mathematica. There are a number of ones out there. Alternatively, you could just as easily teach them how to do calculations in a programming language like Ruby or Python, so that the knowledge they learn will set them up for using a real programming language later in life.

    That all being said, I'm not sure that Chemistry class is the best place to be teaching a computer course. There is plenty to teach in Chemistry that can be made interesting via hands-on experiments. Additionally, it is important to build the paper and pencil skills for each empirical law, before one can write or understand any (even simple) program that will aid in their calculation.

    However, there is one place where I do think a computer is helpful: processing experimental data and plotting. Again, Excel is a horrible choice for this! There are a number of ones that are useful for students, such as DataGraph for MacOSX. These need to be able to take a columns of data, create new columns that apply formulas using previous columns, and *scientifically* plot the data, complete with real regression curve fitting and even error bars. This may sound similar to Excel, but it is not! Excel's plotting engine is written for financial applications, and produces awful quality scientific output. (Indeed, I've had college professors that would not accept any chart formatted in Excel!)

  53. Webquest by eagle52997 · · Score: 1

    You mentioned webquests in your post, which are fine, but I would suggest you use them sparingly. When I taught HS Chem, I had a single page (front/back) webquest designed around the Physics 2000 Science Trek. http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/index.pl This was an excellent site I thought for learning about some of the physics underlying atomic structure, although I skipped over the Polarization part of the trek. There are other websites out there that are like this one, but designed around different topics which might be just as useful in a chem or physics classroom. If you choose to include some programming as another poster mentioned, you could always choose to have a class project where students design applets to help illustrate basic concepts - maybe ones NOT shown on any websites they've visited as a part of the class. Students at first completed my webquest during class, and then when the course schedule went to 8 per year/4 per day instead of 7 per year and we had less classtime, I began assigning the webquest as a homework/project.

  54. Chem computer resources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am also a high school chemistry teacher. I have 2 recommendations for computer resources:
    www.wolframaplhpa.com This is a great resource for computing anything. It doesn't balance equations or do stoichiometry yet, but it can help the students set up these problems. I use it all of the time when making problems for the kids to double check facts.

    http://intro.chem.okstate.edu/1314F00/Laboratory/GLP.htm This is an awesome applet that illustrates the ideal gas law very clearly. Doing labs on this topic would be a bunch of reading meters anyway, so this gets the students some visualization.

    good luck!

  55. 3D Modeling and Simulation ... by bitstorm · · Score: 1

    What an awesome opportunity ...

    As a parent of school age kids I am sad to see them rushed trough so much test-oriented useless material followed by senseless amounts of will-breaking assignments and tests.

    My kids spent a significant amount of years through Montessori education. On that environment, they pursued areas of interested on their own with the guidance of classroom guides. The main difference is that the kids chose their area of work (they do have to complete a minimum required across all other areas). There were no exams, mostly projects, but my main point is that it is amazing to see someone work on something they are passionate about. They spent day and night, on their own, working on projects that were interesting to them; for something that was not even going to get a grade.

    So ... ask your students to submit 5 reaserch proposals to you. Give them a week, write a page or so about each proposed topic. Once they pick of their own topics (just so everyone commits to the reaserch), let them trade some of the unused ideas with peers. Go outside the book, the real world does not come with a book !!! I believe this initial reaserch will help them explore their own ideas. I suggest you provide incentives to have this project play bigger and bigger % on their final grade based on the increased levels of commitments to the project. Maybe they present to peers for a basic grade, but maybe they can submit papers to some conference, or present at local university to a bigger % of final grade.

    In terms of ideas ... how about some blender rendering (www.blender.org), its free ... It will teach them awesome modeling/rendering skills. Take it up a notch and have them create chemical models in it, animate them. Introduce them to, or challenge them to higher levels of programming by developing python scripts to simulate temperature on their models, animate chmical reactions, etc ...

    Congrats to you for having a genuine interest in your students.

  56. Simulations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should consider playing with GAMESS or some other package (GAMESS is free, QChem is fairly cheap as a student edition), and show students how molecular orbitals can vary. I remember many of my friends having trouble understanding the ideas of the various orbital theories, so letting people play with their own could be interesting.

    Alternately, do you teach kinetics? You can use the Gillespie algorithm to perform numerical simulations and build a basic interface to let kids see how certain reactions work. This goes well with a demonstration of the iodine clock or an oscillating reaction, and you can use it to instill an appreciation for how we can explain complicated phenomena with a few simple equations.

  57. Power of small molecules and crystal structures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PyMOL http://www.pymol.org/ is a great open source crystal structure viewer and there's all sorts of available enzymes with small molecule inhibitors in them at the protein data bank. http://www.pdb.org/pdb/home/home.do Let the students find an enzyme online, make a picture of the enzyme active site with or without an inhibitor. Set them to the task of finding a small molecule inhibitor via the internet or based on what's in the crystal structure. As them to tell you what functional groups are involved in the molecule, etc. There aren't any easy to use, free docking programs to screen student-designed potential inhibitors... sadly.

  58. No computers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget the computers and add more real experiments. Nothing in high school chemistry requires more than pencil, paper, brain, and calculator. I took a year of organic chemistry at Caltech and never needed a computer. You can figure out molecular structure from NMR data with your brain.

  59. There are many things that would be useful. . . by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

    . . .but nothing I would spend more than one class session on. It is a chemistry course, after all, and these are tools to use, not programs they are going to be reverse-engineering. And despite what most of the people here seem to think, not everyone is a computer wizard, and some intelligent students have an honest-to-God difficulty in learning how to do something as simple as performing a linear regression in Excel, and the sooner they learn what the software is capable of, the sooner they'll start exploring, instead of just panicking.

    Some non-specific software that I've had to become proficient in during my nearing-a-decade-of-schooling:

    Excel (I agree it's not the most powerful choice, but it is the software package that nearly every student has available to them, and that makes it very valuable to them when writing reports at home, at the library, etc.)
    Powerpoint (both for verbal and poster presentations)
    ChemDraw
    Spartan
    Graphical Analysis
    SciFinder


    Other software I have used on occasion, and fumbled my way through:
    IsisDraw
    ChemSketch
    ProLogger
    SPSS

    As far as conceptual teaching tools, in addition to some of the things posted above, I have found the Analytical Sciences Digital Library to be of use. Partial disclosure - since I first started using it a few years ago, I have helped write two articles.

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    My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore.
  60. As a current PhD student by burningcpu · · Score: 1

    I'm teaching first year chemistry at the moment, and for our purposes, computing is mainly a tool for generating reports and doing data analysis. Most data analysis in chemistry can and is done with Excel. I've read other posts here trashing the use of Excel in science, but really, for what we use it for it is just fine. Don't worry about teaching the students how to use it, as we can cover what we need them to know in an hour. We mainly do stuff like linear regressions for calibration curves, simple adding and subtracting of values, and other basic data manipulation that is much quicker in a spreadsheet. Many instruments are interfaced with computers for automation or data analysis, but again, this is something we can quickly teach them when they need the instrument. Being computer literate would be helpful, but I think most students will already be up to speed just based on their interactions with computing in their daily lives. Sure, you could show them how to do computer modeling with chem draw, or do modeling with jmol, but I would suspect that would bore them. Those programs are mostly useful for creating presentations or writing reports. Again, this is stuff that we can show them how to do in 1 lab period, and it does not have a large impact on their understanding of chemistry. If you would like to make a project that would really interest them, you could build a spectrometer in class that they could use to do something like an EDTA titration to determine the hardness of a water sample, or determining the molar absorptivity of some food dye. For the food dye experiement, you could them have them determine the concentration of the dye in a gatorade sample or something similar. Spectrometers can be simple to build and very cool to observe and use. The project would not cost very much either. I built my own as an undergraduate in an Instrumental Analysis course, but I think that with the aid of an instructor, the lab could be geared for younger students. You would most likely do the sodering, and only show them the circuit analysis. You could keep it very general. To keep this simple, you would want some sort of monochromatic light source. In my lab we had an argon laser available, but a smaller presentation laser pointer would also work. You could also canibalize the laser out of a cd-rom or dvd-rom. The principle is that you will shine light through a sample container (some container such as a plastic that does not absorb the wavelength of light that you are using for your analysis, IE the color of your laser pointer), and you will detect the light that passes through. The light detection could be done with a photoresistor (resistivity increases as the light hits the photoresistor). By measuring the voltages with a voltmeter, and creating a calibration curve with standards, the students will be able to determine the molar absorptivity of the dye, and then the concentration of dye in the gatorade sample. A cool thing about this experiment is that it would bring many different topics that you would hopefully teach anyway into a neat and relevent package. You would talk about Beer's law, and the wavelength dependent nature of the absorption of light. You would talk about the need for standards and how they increase the accuracy of the measurements (versus just measuring one data point to determine the molar absorptivity value), and this would spring board into a brief discussion of statistics and how they are relevant for actual lab work. You could hit a little into electronics, which is something that a chemistry student must learn to get the degree, and is something they will definitely apply if they decide to do analytical chemistry past undergrad. You could have them build the housing, and do stuff like paint the inside of the instrument with mat black paint in order to absorb stray photons that manage to enter the instrument. You could talk about signal to noise ratios, and how they are impacted by reducing stray light entering the instrument. I think doing an experiment like this would greatly enhance many

  61. Said before, apparently needs saying again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teaching chemistry is about teaching chemistry; that's the mechanics, the math, and perhaps above all, the hands-on exerience and connecting the experiental dots with theory and through that gaining understanding of what happens. Of course with software that helps visualise and calculate and predict what happens, that's a great tool, but maybe one that's more useful for those who have the basics down already. And why would you want to have the kids away from the hands-on experience?

  62. Communication by Brianwa · · Score: 1

    For me, by far the most useful application of technology in chem class has been an online forum where all the students can give and receive assistance on the homework. There's over 100 people in my course to participate in it, it may be less effective if you're not teaching a particularly large high school.

  63. Experimental design is the answer by crrieger · · Score: 1

    I teach high school chemistry at one of the highest scoring schools in the state, but I routinely see the same lack of fundamental math skills and investigative thinking that are the basis of science. My colleague has proposed this same question to me, and I was fairly against the use of computers as part of labs for the sake of integrating "technology." They can use a computer to type up the lab report and maybe plug in an Excel graph. I have used statistical packages as part of professional analytical lab work and I can safely say that the concepts behind the math and the significance of the numbers is years beyond a high school curriculum. Computers are great research tools and have great importance in data collection, but these same tasks can be done much more easily with traditional tools.

    I have a full classroom set of the Vernier probeware that integrates with the TI calculators, but I won't even think of using this stuff until I have an Advanced Placement class that shows the maturity and attentiveness that it requires. Instead of flashy toys, I prefer to incorporate investigative labs where you are developing your own procedures with as little assistance from me as possible. I really like labs that recreate classic experiments and have the kids use the same basic tools that chemists used 200 years ago. They love the electrochemistry lab where they use Alessandro Volta's tools to figure out the best combination of metals and acid to use to make a battery powerful enough to charege a capacitor. The cap discharges into an old flashbulb to convert chemical energy to electrical energy to thermal energy and light.

    Spend more time on the fundamentals of scientific math and scientific thinking - the rest will come much more easily since the groundwork has been laid. I did very well in school because I was shown how to think, not just how to use computers and punch a calculator.

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    1. Re:Experimental design is the answer by cranky_chemist · · Score: 1

      What you are describing is known (in eduspeak terms) as "discovery based learning." My school experimented with this some years ago. It was an unmitigated disaster. The primary problem is that students simply can't put together all the pieces of the puzzle in the 3-hour time period, and accreditation requirements of 10 experiments per semester don't allow us to spend 3 or 4 weeks on each lab. In the end, we basically had to tell the students how to run the experiment, which meant we were back to the same "cookbook" chemistry we've been teaching for the past 100 years.

  64. Instructional technology... by Modern+Primate · · Score: 1

    ...in specific areas such as this is still sorely lacking. There are some generalized things that are pretty good, such as NetLogo that you could use to have your kids set up models and simulations of things to help them understand.

    Here's one example of a demo in NetLogo that shows how buffers work and is interactive in that it lets you adjust the levels of acid and base at the beginning and lets you add them while it's running. To use it, click "setup", then "go". You will probably want to slow it down a lot.

    NetLogo Buffer Simulation

    It might be useful to let the kids play with this, or for you to put it up on a projector for them and fiddle with the settings to let them see what's happening. But what would really serve them (and the community) is to have them make their own simulation and post it. This accomplishes several things: they'll know they are actually contributing something to society, their depth of understanding will increase by causing them to organize the information in their minds to the point where they feel like they can explain it, the fact that their peers will be looking at it provides the only motivation kids of that age actually care about, and you'll be taking education out of the stone ages.

    I'm not saying this is the only thing out there or even that this is the best thing (NetLogo). But I consistently see people answering questions like this by saying things like "don't make computers too important to the class" and "when I was a boy, we did it this way, so that should be enough for kids now." Neither of these answers is supported by research in the cognitive sciences or education. Use the computers. Education is the only area of human endeavor where you could take someone who was doing it in the 1800's and put them in a job today and almost nothing has changed. This is no longer good enough for a world where technology is evolving at an accelerating pace. Please, use the computers.

  65. Chemistry, Simulations, Excel, and Virtlab by dbarkley · · Score: 1

    While I believe that there are many different approaches required to round out a chemistry course my authors and I have spent some time exploring how computers might at least support such activities. We put together a site, http://www.virtlab.com/ that includes a "laboratory manual" of instructions that can be used to explore both visual simulations of a laboratory bench and spreadsheets that represent the same behavior as the simulations. We have tried to be thoughtful in the exercises written and I hope you enjoy them! Dave Barkley

  66. FOCUS ON THE CHEMISTRY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrible Terrible Terrible, you should NOT be focusing on how to use "X" equipment to fit in with "Z" subject if you have to ask how it makes sense. Instead you should be focusing on how to better convey the material of "Z" subject in a more efficient or more effective manner. Sometimes that means that you decide you need "X" equipment to get there.

    This almost seems like an administrator (read: Someone not a teacher) trying to say "Well we need to buy 15 computers to more effectively teach chemistry" with emphasis on the "Buy 15 Computers" part instead of the "More effectively teach chemistry" part.

    However, I agree that technology can be a good tool in the teaching of science. If your students are inclined to solve things by using Excel Spreadsheets or programming their TI-8X calculators to do equations then by all means don't discourage them. I know I programmed Moles-->Mass into my TI-83 and it saved my life.

    Also I recommend more hands-on, even dangerous stuff. I know I would never forget what a Hydro-Carbon was if I had burned my hand while discovering it.

    Summary: FOCUS ON THE CHEMISTRY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECOND.

  67. You already answered your question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excel. Go no farther. These kids all know Word inside out. They use it *every* day. Most of them don't know excel and it is useful in every science and engineering class. Don't spend much time on this but force them to create a few equations and a graph. Let them figure out how to do fancy stuff on their own as needed. There are tons of tutorials on youtube and google for very simple things. Graphing calculators are great but how do you get that graph from the calculator to the teacher or how do you present it in front of the class? Use your cell phone to photograph the calculator? No, have them use excel. Or google docs which has a nice spreadsheet tool which can create graphs just like excel.

  68. use the computer for paperwork, not chemistry by nglbrkr · · Score: 1

    I teach high school chemistry. Lab reports and other hwk are done on OOo writer, using the excellent (math) formula editor, then submitted to me through Moodle. I overlay my comments with text boxes and upload the response. Kids enjoy the paperless experience, and I never lose their work. Unlike LaTeX, you can teach OOo formula editor in about 10 minutes. We do real experiments. We do a bit of data logging and graphing, but not that much. There are some online java apps for things like gas laws and molelcular models that I use occasionally, but mostly real experiments. When teaching theory, I use my laptop and type notes directly into a wiki on Moodle. Kids are then assigned to clean it up a bit later, and to upload any sketches I do in Kolourpaint. (They also maintain a glossary there and contribue their own notes to the wiki.) I often jump into Google images to find something that will illustrate what we are talking about. We have some chem draw type software (linux stuff), but I don't use it much at all. Its faster for me to use kolourpaint (just a kids' paint program for the couple of you who don't know linux)

  69. Experiments by Stooshie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing, of course, can replace actually carrying out experiments yourself when learning chemistry. As well as the excitement of some of the experiments it teaches you that an experiment never really goes "wrong" as such, just an unexpected / unplanned result (was it your setup or the assunotions that were wrong).

    However, a great site for watching experiments and learning about the elements is periodic videos. They have a video on each element and lots of experiments that are perhaps too dangerous for a school lab.

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  70. http://www.sascurriculumpathways.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out SAS's Curriculum Pathways. http://www.sascurriculumpathways.com/

    It is free to anyone in the US and has a large section on chemistry.

  71. a little reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try the following article:

    http://www.ched-ccce.org/confchem/2008/b/P7.html

  72. Vernier Probes, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My primary use of computers in my Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate Chemistry courses is for collecting and processing data from Vernier probes. We got a bunch of units with thermocouples (temperature probes), pH electrodes, pressure sensors, and colorimeters back when we could get money for such things, but they only plugged in to TI calculators. You could do some things with that, but the more advanced spreadsheet operations were unavailable or awkward.

    I now use donated, non-networked PC's running MidiFuxboxOS, which works well with some software available from Vernier (distributed as RPM's) and which includes Gnumeric. Students are able to easily view, graph, and process data quickly on the machines. I'm able to have them analyze cooling curves, calorimeter data, pH titrations, and track reactions colorimetrically (the kinetics of the fading of phenolphthalein in excess NaOH). I also like having them use basic formula calculations in Gnumeric, because it seems to force them to think about the calculation process more than just plugging in on paper.

    Our school has Promethean boards, on which I can display "Virtual ChemLab" experiments, simulations from PhET, youtube videos of people doing stupid chemistry (with the internet as a very effective blast shield), and presentations (prezi.com is my current favorite). I recently experimented with having students collaborate on some work using Google docs, with mixed results.

  73. Vernier is what you are looking for by proslack · · Score: 1

    http://www.vernier.com/ makes some outstanding equipment at assorted prices. The Loggerpro software (free 30-day demo, 190 bucks for an unlimited site license), combined with a data logger and a couple instruments (e.g. thermometer and ph meter), total cost maybe...400 dollars...would allow you to run a demonstration experiment, gather the data, distribute it to the students, and then have them analyze it on their own copies of the software (which includes a variety of analysis/graphing/statistical tools). They have a bunch of lesson plans on-line, too.

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  74. Its a good idea by ranger218 · · Score: 1

    I just took high school Chem last year,and my chemistry class was pretty innovative. Our school had just recieved a very large sum of money for upgrades, one such upgrade was a "smart board" in each class room, basically it connected to the teacher's laptop, and allowed them to display what was on their computer for the whole class to seee, I dont know how your class is set up, but what I can say is that, visual aids on the internet helped in the class room, whether it be just posting formulas for everyone to see, finding animations of reactions at the molecular level, or videos of experiments that others have done, it all really helps. P.S my chem class went so well that I decided to major in chemical engineering in college

  75. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throughout my PhD work I used Labview to write programs to communicate with instrumentation and also for data analysis. I think this program is VERY important for scientific research at the graduate school level where not all instrumentation is straight from a box and plug n play. In addition the amount of data analysis that can be done with this program is phenomenal. It is expensive and requires a bit of a learning curve, but would be useful for chemistry classes. I consider this to be a program that every chemist should know about and how to use.