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Hollow Spy Coins

Bruce Schneier's blog links to a few sources for hollow spy coins, one being BoingBoing's Bazaar — where a nickel that can hold a microSD card costs $27. Another is Slashdot's sister company ThinkGeek, where you can get hollow quarters and half-dollars in the low 20s. As if corporate and government security geeks didn't have enough to worry about.

322 comments

  1. Sounds rather disappointing, really by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just a slashvertisement for hollowed-out coins. I would really consider them "spy coins" as the title is selling them to us. A "spy coin" should actively do some spying, really. I could just as well call my wallet a "spy wallet", as it can hold mico-SD cards too.

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    1. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I could just as well call my wallet a "spy wallet", as it can hold mico-SD cards too.

      That analogy doesn't work unless you're suggesting that you wouldn't use your wallet as a wallet. In this case, the coin is not really a coin. It's a fake, intended to deceive. On the other hand, I do agree with you that it seems like a slashvertisement.

    2. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I put one in a vending machine maybe I'll finally get to see how they really work. And for only $20! Such a deal!!

    3. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, particularly because I'd spend $20 buying a fake quarter or nickel.

      Now, if they come with a thin nylon strap and I can fool vending machines... nah, still too expensive.

    4. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Lord+Lode · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, and that makes my phone a spy-phone too! Cool!

    5. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Damn shame considering that there are waaay cooler things than hollow coins on ThinkGeek. I think that KD also meant to provoke discussion about using them for corporate theft or espionage, but don't many confidential environments disable USB ports and card readers anyway? I assume that for an environment which required "spying" that employees would be expected to leave all of their USB toys, cell phones, and everything else in their lockers and any suspicious behavior would be reported.

      It's simply a glorified Stash Box.

    6. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AWESOME.
      That means if i put a MicroSD in my pocket, I'M THE SPY.

      I'll be right back, going to hook up with some random chick who is the daughter / friend / slave worker / slave of some evil drug lord / terrorist / nazi / russian / legitimate business man.

    7. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's my concern. I'll stick a microSD card in there with a bunch of important data. And then mix it up with a real coin and spend it... Then go crazy later when I need to access the card and can't find it...

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    8. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's a coin. A real, minted coin. Currency.

      "Actual coins are precision hand milled to create a secret compartment inside" from Thinkgeek description.

      It's the most expensive half-dollar you'll buy without being a collector, though. Potentially the most expensive you'll spend, depending on the contents of the micro SD card.

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    9. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      The weight would be off; a vending machine would probably reject it. However, I don’t think they’re going to be individually weighing your quarters at most checkpoints.

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    10. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that there's a new punchline for the old howler "When is a door not a door?"

      (When it's ajar, for the uninitiated.)

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    11. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it just means you have a spy pocket you could sell to sucker for 20 bucks.

    12. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by the_brobdingnagian · · Score: 1

      No, you will have spy pants. To become the spy you wil have to put the MicroSD card in ......

    13. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ircmaxell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It wouldn't be that difficult to get the weight right, would it? I mean most coins are a copper core with a nickle covering. So if you could create a heavier core, it would compensate for the mass of the removed area. Actually, now that I look at it, lead would be the only non-expensive metal that's heavier than copper by volume, but it's not THAT much heavier (I'm not sure if it's enough to compensate for such a large void)... Sure, they could use something more exotic like Platinum or Tungston (or even Uranium or Plutonium, but if you use them in a coin, I think you have bigger problems than detecting a hidden microSD card), but how much would that thing cost then? http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_metals.htm

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    14. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      This is just a slashvertisement for hollowed-out coins. I would really consider them "spy coins" as the title is selling them to us. A "spy coin" should actively do some spying, really. I could just as well call my wallet a "spy wallet", as it can hold mico-SD cards too.

      I suggest we call them "anti-ACTA coins".

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    15. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Because you can't just, you know... put the coin in a different pocket?

    16. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by lxs · · Score: 2, Funny

      You could put a tiny robot inside that comes out at night, takes pictures and climbs back into the coin before dawn.

      It's contact hides in a gumball machine. Codename Bubbles.

    17. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could just as well call my wallet a "spy wallet", as it can hold mico-SD cards too

      Wow, like dude, youve got a spy wallet. That's so kewl.

    18. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if you got the weight correct, you’d have to worry about spending it accidentally...

      (Actually you’re going to have to worry about that anyway, because cashiers don’t weigh the currency either. Only vending machines do that.)

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    19. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by gknoy · · Score: 1

      I've found that I'm fairly absent-minded about which pocket I put my keys or pocketknife in. 95% of the time (or maybe 99%), they go in the Correct Pocket, but sometimes I find that I've swapped m car and house keys, or put both in the same pocket. I don't know why I do it. If I had a hollow coin, I'd mis-pocket it even more easily. A better solution, I think, would be to make sure it was a denomination you don't normally carry. A nickel, perhaps ... or a Canadian nickel (which are uncommon but not unheard of to see even in the southwest US). Something that you will know not to make change with.

    20. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ehrichweiss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, but the coin will sound *completely* different when dropped on a table or with other coins. As a magician I have been painfully aware of this for about 30 years.

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    21. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ZeroPly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Use red paint to mark a clear X on all your spy coins. That's what I do and I haven't accidentally spent one yet.

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    22. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ircmaxell · · Score: 1, Funny

      Isn't that kind of defeating the point? The idea is to have it 100% inconspicuous. Having a big red X on it may raise some red flags for those people who are looking for something... Perhaps get a coin from a difference currency than your own (I am in the US, so I could get a Euro 20c or 50c piece), and keeping it in your wallet. That way there's very little chance of you accidentally spending it, and if someone asks why you're carrying a Euro coin in the US, you can simply answer for sentimental value (and make up a semi-true story about how you found it on the ground in **insert EU country here** when on vacation, and it has brought you luck ever since)...

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    23. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You’re removing metal from the center of the coin and replacing it with something much less dense. Of course the weight will be off.

      Your audience isn’t going to be able to tell the difference, but a vending machine is much more sensitive.

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    24. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry; I misunderstood.

      No, nobody is going to be weighing the coins. Yeah, it will sound different.

      However, depending on what you drop it onto, how many other coins there are to disguise the sound, and whether or not the person is paying attention to the coins... you have a good chance to get away with it.

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    25. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by chronosan · · Score: 1

      Watch pocket!

    26. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Whoosh?

    27. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by expatriot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but if you got the weight correct, you’d have to worry about spending it accidentally...

      (Actually you’re going to have to worry about that anyway, because cashiers don’t weigh the currency either. Only vending machines do that.)

        For countries outside the US, you cannot spend a US coin. For those in the US, get the equivalent modification for a foreign coin.

      "Oh that coin, it was left over from my last overseas trip. Nothing to see here."

    28. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      *holds up the sarcasm tag*

    29. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by garg0yle · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are companies that will sell you coins from many different countries, if you're worried about spending your spy coin...

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    30. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm relatively sure in the UK that's still technically illegal.
      Disfigurement of the queens currency or something.

      Either way it will have seemed a stupid thing to do when you spend your precious-data-holding coin accidentally.

    31. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ehud42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      SSSSHHHHH! You'll give away Canada'a secret weapon!!

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    32. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Reece400 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, in Canada too. I'm pretty sure that in the US though it's a-okay (hence all the tourist machines where you can flatten a penny into design).

    33. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's a real coin, and the people making (and selling or possessing) these are committing a federal offense.

      http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000331----000-.html

      Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or

      Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened--

      Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

    34. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me rephrase that:

      Use red paint to mark a clear X on all your spy coins. That's what I do and I haven't accidentally spent one yet.
      -AC

    35. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I knew, defacing US currency was illegal. Not only is this a slashvertisement, but a slashvertisement for an illegal product. Also, why is it news that a micro SD card is... um... micro, you could hollow out many things and fit one inside.

    36. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting every microSD card to weigh the same so your specially-weighted coin is truly perfect.

    37. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      individually weighing your quarters

      Weigh a stack of quarters. If the weight is not an integer multiple of the weight of one, then

      there is a bad one. There is no need to do a variant of the counting scales; however, just

      interface to a laptop.

    38. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by JesseL · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry about it. The acceptable weight range for real nickels is probably wider than the range of available microSD card weights.

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    39. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Just never spend a nickel. Definitely don't eat them like mentos.

    40. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US you may destroy, but not deface currency

    41. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 1

      Hollow change is really silly, since you can easily fit a keyfob 'Up Your Butt'. Now that's the spy-wallet we're all born with.

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    42. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by eredin · · Score: 1

      Seems you missed the word "fraudulently" -- hollowing out a coin is not attempting to defraud anyone. It's only a crime if you're trying to commit fraud by your actions. Since 1965 (1970 for half-dollars), that's been pretty tough to do...

    43. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, in the U.S. you may do anything you want to a coin as long as it is not with fraudulent intent, e.g. bleaching a $1 bill and reprinting it to look like a $100 bill, etc.

      http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/coins/portraits.shtml#q13

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    44. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      Does that make me a criminal if I lioncash all my money?

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    45. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by LowlyWorm · · Score: 1

      Here is a link to some people who make those penny mashing machines. According to their FAQ it is legal to alter coins as long as it is not for fraudulent purposes in the UK (despite the queen) and the US. In Canada a licence is required to deface coins.

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    46. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      That's my concern. I'll stick a microSD card in there with a bunch of important data. And then mix it up with a real coin and spend it... Then go crazy later when I need to access the card and can't find it...

      Still, it's a good smuggling trick. If someone does a quick search, your coins wouldn't be suspect. A smuggler wouldn't go around telling everyone "Look at me spend my coins like I have nothing to lose", so there's no worry about losing the coin.

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    47. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Shompol · · Score: 1

      -Sure. What do you got?
      -Authorization for a body cavity search.
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    48. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, all standard US coins work just fine in most Canadian vending machines, and almost all stores will accept (and occasionally give when they get mixed in) them out at par.

      Unfortunately, they are usually worth slightly more than the currency they replace, so spending them in a vending machine doesn't work out well, unlike older British 5 pence pieces, which many vending machines accepted as quarters over here.

    49. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by dwillden · · Score: 1

      Or use a Canadian quarter like in this story, nobody will suspect it.

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    50. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by keyboarderror · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good movie plot device. What happens when The Secret coin ends up back in circulation...

    51. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that.

      I have an iPhone, and car keys, and that's all that's normally in my front pockets.

      I try to put them in different pockets, but about 1/4th the time, they end up in the same one anyway.

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    52. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      No. The AC is incorrect; by statute, it's only illegal if your defacement renders the currency unfit for re-use. You can lioncash, WheresGeorge, draw hitler mustaches on Lincoln, etc. to your heart's content.

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    53. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Qubit · · Score: 1

      Use red paint to mark a clear X on all your spy coins.

      Does anyone know how to get red paint off of coins really, really quickly?

      I've tried to follow your instructions on using red paint to mark all 5 of my spy coins, and every time I do it the "X" comes out red, not clear.

      My handler is going to be super upset that I just ruined a bunch of his spy swag. I'm supposed to drop off some ACURA... ATCA.. some kind of international treaty stuff to my contact tonight and all of my coins looks like I got them from Freddy Krueger.

      Is there some kind of special trick to how you paint them?

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    54. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      I've received foreign coins in change occasionally. And I once accidentally gave a laundry token to a homeless guy.

    55. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Then you're aiming for the "perfect" average weighted coin, which I imagine also isn't too easy.

    56. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      For countries outside the US, you cannot spend a US coin.

      US coins are widely accepted at par in Canada. There are so many US pennies in any random pile of "Canadian" pennies that no one could be bothered to sort them out.

    57. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by nuckfuts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True story:

      I once made a two-tailed coin as a birthday present for my brother. I used a large file with flat spacers attached that were exactly half the thickness of a coin. With a small jig to hold the coins, I filed away one side from each. I then filed a bevel around each inside edge, sandwiched the halves together and filled in the bevel by soldering. As a final touch, I filed small vertical lines around the edge of the coin.

      Aside from having two tails, the result was pretty much indistinguishable from a regular coin. I don't recall that it sounded any different when dropped on a table, for example. With the coin, an endless number of tricks were possible.

      Shortly after his birthday, my brother spent the coin.

    58. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that these coins won't be the same as your fake magicians coins. If you match the weight and the compartment is small (microsd cards are tiny) they may not sound different at all. Might be worth checking though.

    59. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by BoothbyTCD · · Score: 1

      Do you know a lot of vending machines that accept half-dollar coins (the size that is large enough for the microSD card)?

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    60. Re:Sounds rather disappointing, really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I once accidentally gave a laundry token to a homeless guy.

      *snort*

      That's actually not a bad idea. Cheaper than a stick of deodorant, I think...

  2. Great.... by Ironhandx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I have to start running everyone who enters and leaves through a giant EM field?

    Sigh... the shareholders aren't going to like the cost of those generators and the shielding...

    More than that, how do I sufficiently shield the porn they bring in with them? If that gets damaged there'll be hell to pay.

    1. Re:Great.... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that. The coin is also a Faraday cage.

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    2. Re:Great.... by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      I think a actual Faraday cage would need to be grounded. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    3. Re:Great.... by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      Voltage is relative. A hollow coin will prevent anything inside it from being able to perceive any voltage potential difference. It doesn't matter if you plug the thing into a 120kV line as referenced to ground, the microSD card still won't feel a thing. So no, it doesn't need to be grounded.

    4. Re:Great.... by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Also, by the time the metal in a coin gets thin enough on the outer walls to allow a sd card inside would there be enough metal left in those areas to counteract such an EM field?

      I meant the GGP as a joke of course but now I'm curious ^_^.

    5. Re:Great.... by ircmaxell · · Score: 1

      Grounding will eliminate Electro-Magnetic Radiation being emitted from within the cage... But being grounded does not affect the ability of the cage to block out external sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage So it would block someone from trying to "peer into" the cage, but not block something in the cage from transmitting... So a passive RFID chip placed in the coin would not function at all (since it requires the reception of a "power" signal to operate the transmitter), but a device that has an internal power source would be able to transmit out (one way only)...

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    6. Re:Great.... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      An actual Faraday cage only needs to be grounded because if it somehow goes hot, you want it to ground through the one you installed, not you when you touch it.

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    7. Re:Great.... by ircmaxell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Considering the material of the inner wall is copper, it'd have to be a VERY strong field to penetrate the coin. It would have to be so strong that the induced currents are strong enough to begin to melt it. And actually the small size is an advantage, since you'd need a VERY high potential gradient to even generate a significant current (given the walls are how far apart? A tenth of a millimeter? Or on edge maybe a few cm at most). So basically you could generate a high power EMF that's oscillating at a very high frequency (to keep inducing high currents) over a VERY small distance (So that the generated EMF has a VERY high potential gradient) to even be able to generate any kind of a significant current... And by that point, if you melt the copper, you've pretty much destroyed what's inside, so the better option would be developing something to detect the seam rather than try to pear inside with EMR...

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    8. Re:Great.... by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      It seems that you are wrong. An airplane (with an all metal fuselage) is also a Faraday cage.

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    9. Re:Great.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong - there you stand corrected.

    10. Re:Great.... by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected, thank you all for setting me right.

    11. Re:Great.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine I will correct you. A Faraday cage does not require a ground to work, but NOT providing a ground allows for the build up an electric charge on the surface.

      Have a nice day.

    12. Re:Great.... by allo · · Score: 1

      no, a faraday cage works by the force, which is created by elektrons repelling each other. so they create a voltage free zone at the inner side of the cage. but there is an electric field inside ... which probably would kill your card.

    13. Re:Great.... by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      You're wrong. It just needs to be a continuous conducting screen with openings less that 1/4 wavelength at the frequency of interest.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

    14. Re:Great.... by srleffler · · Score: 1

      No, a completely closed metal cage doesn't need to be grounded. You only have to ground the cage if the device inside has some other connection to ground.

    15. Re:Great.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...so the better option would be developing something to detect the seam rather than try to pear inside with EMR...

      Since that limits you to hollow coins, it would be easier to just exchange everyone's coins with ones from the bank. :)

  3. X-ray? by Gorkamecha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't this look bizarre under an x-ray, given change is usually zapped by itself in a little bowl? I'm not sure I risk a full cavity search trying to fly internationally with one of these...

    1. Re:X-ray? by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not sure. All x-rays I've seen just show metal as a bright spot, not much relief. And either way, all you have to do is keep the coin in your pocket. I never take my belt, rings or glasses off and have yet to be beeped by the metal detector and I've been flying twice a week lately. A little bit of metal is allowed. Just keep the coin in your pocket and take all other metal off and you'll almost certainly raise no suspicions or alarms.

    2. Re:X-ray? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

      Even if it does look weird under an X-ray (which I doubt), the coin in question is more likely shielded by other coins in the purse. Besides, airport securities tend to look at a e.g. jacket as a whole, for knifes, guns and such -- bigger objects; who will ever look for a weird coin in a purse in a jacket?

    3. Re:X-ray? by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      I once went through a metal detector at an airport (after removing all the change from my pockets, and my belt) and the metal detector went off. Turns out I had a single stick of (foil-wrapped) gum in a cargo pocket of my pants - took it out - and the metal detector stopped going off. Perhaps the sensitivity of these things can vary significantly - but I'm fairly certain that there's much less metal in a foil wrapper than in a coin even as small as a penny.

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    4. Re:X-ray? by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I concede it's unlikely anyone would actively look for such a thing - let alone find it - if they do you have a problem.

      Previously, you were Just Another Passenger.

      Now, you are A Passenger Who Has An Item Obviously Designed to Hide Something Right Under Somebody's Nose.

      If that doesn't attract further interest, I don't know what will. I think the "take it out and plug it into your phone" suggestion was better.

    5. Re:X-ray? by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      I should mention that I've also gone through metal detectors with change in my pocket and my belt on (but my shoes off...) and not had the machine go off - I don't know that I've ever passed through one with a stick of gum without setting the detector off.

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    6. Re:X-ray? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beep all the time, sometimes the fly (zipper if you prefere) in my pants is enough to set of the detector at the German airports. :-(

    7. Re:X-ray? by kd5zex · · Score: 1

      To my knowledge, the magnetometers are calibrated daily, or every shift, by TSA staffers using a defined set of materials. So, I suppose the sensitivity is determined by the (in)competency of the TSA worker or by how much said worker wants to disrupt airline operations that day.

    8. Re:X-ray? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      They are highly sensitive to the type of metal. They’re usually tuned to be relatively insensitive to coins, and highly sensitive to ferromagnetic metals such as stainless steel.

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    9. Re:X-ray? by putaro · · Score: 1

      Shhhh...it's a little known fact that gum is considered highly dangerous (it's right up there with liquids) and so those detectors are specially tuned to detect gum wrappers. You are normally allowed only 1 stick of gum. Air marshals are also trained to monitor passengers for signs of synchronized chewing. A team of terrorists working together to chew up and mold together a gum bomb is a terrifying possibility.

  4. Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hey kdawson, if you're going to try to slip in an ad for your sister company in a "news story", at least mark it up as an advertisement.

    This is just wrong. kdawson should be fired for such a breach of ethics.

    1. Re:Slashvertisement by gzipped_tar · · Score: 1

      "No one has ever been fired because of breach of ethics!"

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    2. Re:Slashvertisement by al.caughey · · Score: 1

      The only option then is to promote them... or would that be another slashvertizement

    3. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      don't worry, he will refund every penny that you paid to read slashdot articles about spy coins.

    4. Re:Slashvertisement by e4g4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ethics? One needs to consult ethics when deciding whether or not to post something to Slashdot? Now - did you by any chance read enough of the summary to get to the part that says "Slashdot's sister company ThinkGeek" which I, personally, think is an open enough admission of cross-promotion.

      Even as a "slashvertisement" - isn't the idea of a hollowed out quarter with enough space for a MicroSD card cool? Are there not interesting consequences for security experts and people concerned about corporate espionage? In other words - won't this "slashvertisement" stimulate some interesting discussion? If you have such a problem with kdawson's "ethics" log the fuck in and take him off your index.

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    5. Re:Slashvertisement by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      hey kdawson, if you're going to try to slip in an ad for your sister company in a "news story", at least mark it up as an advertisement.

      This is just wrong. kdawson should be fired for such a breach of ethics.

      I see where you're coming from. I mean - that absolute shill Schneier also linked to a place to buy these things! That's just advertising. And even worse, he linked to where a year ago, he linked to the very same ThinkGeek product! Talk about duplicity! It's time we take a stand against such blatant disregard for ethics in technology. Where would the technology be today if it involved products?!

      Or... ya know... it's just a nifty little gadget with some interesting (albiet minor) implications beyond amusement. And ThinkGeek is one of many sources for them. Granted - that's not as fun as making a big show of indignity and character assassination. But then, I suppose we all have different hobbies.

    6. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking he should only have been fired NOW?!? Where've you been the past many years?

      Although, if Slashdot ever gets the brains/balls to get rid of Kdawson, hopefully they'll ditch Samzenpus as well. Both of them are the moldy crap that keeps festering inside an otherwise fairly clean basement, permenantly keeping property values down.

    7. Re:Slashvertisement by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      I wanted to complain that once again kdawson talks about exactly one aspect of the actual story while ignoring those parts that would make the story less boring/pluggish but a look at Schneier's blog reveals that his post essentially says nothing but "hey, remember those hollow coins I talked about a year ago? I just found some more links for that".

      And Schneier's year-old post consists entirely of the word "cheap". So yeah, kdawson actually did do a truly exhaustive report on the source data.

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  5. X-ray impervious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is your wallet expected to be impervious to x-rays like a coin is?

    1. Re:X-ray impervious? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering how laptops have become fair game for involuntary search and seizure at US borders, I think putting your 'important stuff' on a microSD card inside a hollow coin is probably a good idea.

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    2. Re:X-ray impervious? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had precisely the same idea: A hollow coin is also an effective Faraday cage. Not only is it good to disguise the contents from casual (or even somewhat close) examination visually/physically, it’s also going to shield it from more intrusive forms of electronic detection.

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    3. Re:X-ray impervious? by ehrichweiss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It might disguise the contents but I tell you from experience that if you drop it on a table with other change, *something* will not sound right. I'm a magician and I have lots of coins just like this one and their "talking" is a real problem.

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    4. Re:X-ray impervious? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      But you dont need to. MicroSD cards are trivial to hide. Hide one in your shirt collar, belt leather, a simple slice to your shoe heel, etc... It's brain dead easy to hide them. I think the MicroSD card is the modem spy's best thing since sliced bread as they are dirt cheap and everywhere.

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    5. Re:X-ray impervious? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I'll admit, hiding them in clothing is a pretty good idea, especially since that's a bit less likely to be lifted from you if you're robbed.

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    6. Re:X-ray impervious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehhm, or you could fill it with a lethal pathogen and release it on the airplane?

    7. Re:X-ray impervious? by AlexBirch · · Score: 1

      Until they start putting all coins through a high power magnet.

      Perhaps we can start to use our spy-rectums...

    8. Re:X-ray impervious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops are fair game, yes.. so are SD cards, phones, and money.

      Better solution: Encrypt your data! And *don't* have it unencrypted to show the customs officer so he can find your.. ahem.. naughty bits, and then later claim you "forgot" the password or somesuch. Just start with it encrypted and keep it encrypted during your entire journey. Don't be an idiot like this guy: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10172866-38.html

    9. Re:X-ray impervious? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Money is not fair game unless a) you have a suspicious metric fuckton of it or b) you have already committed a crime and the possessions on your person are already forfeit. No unprovoked seizure of an unsuspicious amount of money would stand up to review, let alone court. (Unless they already figured out you were using this money to smuggle data that they deem you 'shouldn't have' for whatever reason, but then that falls under the 'committed a crime' exception.)

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    10. Re:X-ray impervious? by countertrolling · · Score: 3, Funny

      My girlfriend's a magician. One night I was driving down the highway, she touched my leg, and I turned into a hotel.

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    11. Re:X-ray impervious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, my collection of star wars fan-fic text files, might be stolen by the DHS. Best hide them in a coin.

    12. Re:X-ray impervious? by pluther · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't work at airports, still, though, as they X-ray all coins passing through the security checkpoints...

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    13. Re:X-ray impervious? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Please see here.

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    14. Re:X-ray impervious? by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 1

      Did you have to pay for the damages?

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    15. Re:X-ray impervious? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I think carrying a hollow coin through a border would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. If you want to carry secret data, encrypt it and leave it in plain view somewhere.

  6. are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    if they look like real money, is it even legal?
    or do the hollow coins come from the mint?

    1. Re:are they even legal? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since these are machined out of gen-u-ine legal tender, the charge you would be worried about is defacement of currency, rather than counterfeiting.

      That said, I've never heard of anybody going after currency defacement operations(even the overt ones. Those "souveneir penny" machines that crush a graphic associated with whatever attraction the machine is located in have been around for decades, and the Secret Service has shown no signs of caring) unless they involve wholesale export of coins for their melt value(I think there was some issue involving the old pure copper pennies during one of the spikes in copper prices fairly recently).

      If you somehow got caught, and your hollow nickel contained a microSD card with a copy of secret_leaked_CIA_documents_that_the_illuminati_don't_want_you_to_have.doc, they'd probably throw a defacement of currency charge at you, just for completeness' sake; but, while almost definitely illegal, they aren't exactly a huge legal risk.

    2. Re:are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in the UK at least it's illegal to deface a coin, or anything carrying the queens image (flame away anti-monarchs) in such a manner, so their either guilty of fraud or vandalism.

    3. Re:are they even legal? by Anarki2004 · · Score: 1

      even if they did come from the mint, doing that to the coin would be considered defacing federal property and is considered a federal offense. Though there may be special situations where such a thing is allowed, IANAL and I don't want to speculate what those situations might be.

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    4. Re:are they even legal? by rotide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well.. interesting question..

      They _are_ made from real coins and they don't purport to be worth anything more than the tender they were milled from.

      Now, what happens if you try to pass one off at a store? Well, my guess is you would just be an idiot. At $20+ for a hollow quarter, you're better off just giving them a real quarter. Yes, the store would be out 25 cents, but I'm not sure that would be "counterfeiting" as, again, it was real money and again isn't purporting to be worth more than face value (ie, not a bleached $1 bill being reprinted as a $100).

      Really, if you try to pass one of these off, you're _out_ money and it's a mistake you'll be pissed you made.

      And no, hollow coins aren't "minted" that way. As far as I can tell, to make a hollow quarter, you take _two_ regular quarters of similar quality and you cut off the back of one and hollow out the center of another then mate the two.

      Counterfeit? Maybe on a technicality, but I don't see the Secret Service knocking on your door over it.

    5. Re:are they even legal? by pla · · Score: 1

      if they look like real money, is it even legal?

      Can't speak for these in particular, but usually hollow coins start life as real coins.

      The cheap ones, they just cut in half, gouge out a little pocket, and add a concealed hinge/pivot. The nicer ones actually unscrew and look almost like a very tiny pill bottle.

      And I suppose, for the same reason those penny-squishing trinket-makers don't break the law, neither do these.

    6. Re:are they even legal? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      or do the hollow coins come from the mint?

      Yes... they’re real; just hollowed out.

      I’m still not sure about the legality though; intentionally destroying US currency is illegal, I think.

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    7. Re:are they even legal? by Issildur03 · · Score: 1

      They are actually made from real coins, so the real problem would be "defacing currency":

      "Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than FIVE YEARS, or both."
      relevant law

    8. Re:are they even legal? by rotide · · Score: 1

      Well, as far as I understand it, defacing money is only an offense if it is done _fraudulently_. Meaning, or at least including, bleaching of lesser denomination bills and reprinting them as larger denominations (make a $1 bill a $100).

      Defacing money isn't illegal wholesale as you can walk into nearly any tourist attraction and see those penny squishing machines that make souveniers.

    9. Re:are they even legal? by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      It's illegal in the US, but also almost universally unenforced.

    10. Re:are they even legal? by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "defacement of currency" charge that people toss around doesn't really apply to tearing up a dollar bill, or crushing a penny. The defacement charge is there as a hedge against people drawing a zero on the end of a five dollar bill and trying to pass it off as a fifty.

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    11. Re:are they even legal? by makomk · · Score: 1

      Which basically means that you're OK, so long as you don't try and fraudulently pay for something with it as though it were a real unaltered coin...

    12. Re:are they even legal? by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      I remember when I was in England back in the early 90's someone showed me that if you folded the £5 note just right it looked like the queen was performing fellatio.

    13. Re:are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you somehow got caught, and your hollow nickel contained a microSD card with a copy of secret_leaked_CIA_documents_that_the_illuminati_don't_want_you_to_have.doc, they'd probably throw a defacement of currency charge at you, just for completeness' sake; but, while almost definitely illegal, they aren't exactly a huge legal risk.

      Hmm, I am sorry, but knowledge of that filename is classified. Black choppers will descend on your house in 4.. 3...

    14. Re:are they even legal? by kbonapart · · Score: 3, Informative

      I thought the illegal action was the "deBASEment" of the currency, not defacement. When coins were made out of precious metals, they could be shaved for bits and slivers of that silver or gold. Since the coins weighed less, but still represented the amount of money it was promised to by the government, the currency was debased. And that was a major crime. It defacement of the currency is illegal, then we would've locked up all those wheresgeorge.com people, who keep stamping one dollar bills.

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    15. Re:are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that they don't actually crush a penny? It goes into a different mechanism and is stored while they pop out a "smashed" penny from a different dispenser.

    16. Re:are they even legal? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      18 U.S.C. 331 says:

      "Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." Now, I'm pretty sure that all the freaking out about "lightening" and "scaling" and whatnot is a holdover from an era when coins were made of metals worth stealing; but I don't see any "but your Honor, .8 grams of nickel shavings are essentially worthless, and the seller knew exactly what he was getting!" defence.

      Again, because mutilation of coins is economically viable only as a small scale novelty activity or, on comparatively rare occasions, as a large scale commodities arbitrage thing, I have never heard of anybody caring; but it looks(in my admittedly layman's reading) like they could nail you if they wanted to.

    17. Re:are they even legal? by bmo · · Score: 1

      Counterfeit?

      No.

      Maybe on a technicality

      Not even close. It's a real coin. If you hollowed it out entirely, just leaving the outside nickel plate, It would still be worth its face value.

      As far as I can tell, to make a hollow quarter, you take _two_ regular quarters of similar quality and you cut off the back of one and hollow out the center of another then mate the two.

      You can get a carbide end mill of sufficient size to mill out the center, no problem, without resorting to using two coins. You can also abrasively grind a slot in the coin to do the same thing. As a matter of fact, since it's not steel you're working, a diamond coated end mill or a diamond wheel would make short work of clearing out the slot.

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    18. Re:are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably just that they haven't been noticed yet. It took the U.S. Mint a while to notice silver surfer quarters. I don't know if Thinkgeek will be considered a more serious offender because they're selling the quarters rather than giving them away.

    19. Re:are they even legal? by maxume · · Score: 1

      It seems broader than that:

      http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=426715

      Apparently, intent is taken into account, so making a trinket out of a coin in order to sell it as a trinket is treated differently than harvesting metal for sale.

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    20. Re:are they even legal? by kuactet · · Score: 2, Informative

      The key word there is 'fraudulently'. That means, to be illegal, you have to try to use the altered coin as real currency.

    21. Re:are they even legal? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually, that only criminalizes fraudulent alterations. E.g. milling the edges of silver coins, bleaching money and re-printing higher denominations.

      Pressed pennies and hollow coins aren’t intended to be used fraudulently, so I’m pretty sure that statute doesn’t apply.

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    22. Re:are they even legal? by bmo · · Score: 1

      With regards to those penny squishing machines - the company that makes those is not violating the law even in the most strict sense of the word. They are essentially fancy hammers. We don't outlaw hammers.

      A strict reading of the law would make the person putting the penny through the machine the actual defacer.

      As far as I can tell, the Secret Service has better things to do than to go after millions of tourists.

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    23. Re:are they even legal? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You can get a carbide end mill of sufficient size to mill out the center, no problem, without resorting to using two coins. You can also abrasively grind a slot in the coin to do the same thing. As a matter of fact, since it's not steel you're working, a diamond coated end mill or a diamond wheel would make short work of clearing out the slot.

      That wouldn’t open and close like a pill bottle. It would just be a coin with a slot in the middle.

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    24. Re:are they even legal? by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      Fancy seeing you here :-)

      Reminds me of the questions surrounding "Where's George", or the times I've seen stamps and such on bills.

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    25. Re:are they even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you're correct that defacement doesn't apply to tearing up a dollar, or crushing a penny, the rest of your explanation is incorrect.

      It's to stop people from melting pennies if the commodity value of zinc exceeds the face value of the coin, and to stop people from bleaching bills in pursuit of counterfeiting.

    26. Re:are they even legal? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      That said, I've never heard of anybody going after currency defacement operations(even the overt ones. Those "souveneir penny" machines that crush a graphic associated with whatever attraction the machine is located in have been around for decades...

      If you look on the front of the machine, it clearly spells out why its legal. There's an exception built into the law (I believe it requires a license), but they spell out why what they are doing is legit.

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    27. Re:are they even legal? by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Indeed - I'd imagine that the quarters are, in fact, still legal tender. As long as you have more than half of a dollar bill, it's still worth a dollar (or at least, could be exchanged for a dollar), in the case of a coin - I doubt you'd even need half the coin (by weight) in order for it to still be worth 25 (as long as it still looks like a quarter). I know that a few times I've received as change quarters with a little hole drilled in them (I presume from someone who was trying to scam a vending machine) and had no trouble passing them on.

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    28. Re:are they even legal? by sootman · · Score: 1

      > That said, I've never heard of anybody going after currency defacement operations(even the
      > overt ones. Those "souveneir penny" machines that crush a graphic associated with whatever
      > attraction the machine is located in have been around for decades, and the Secret Service
      > has shown no signs of caring)

      Right. Because it's not illegal. From http://www.pressapenny.com/legal.htm :

      In some countries such as the United States it is the official opinion of the department in authority that the pressing of pennies and other coinage is not prohibited unless there is fraudulent intention either in the pressing of the coinage or its use thereafter. [emphasis mine]

      So unless you're squishing pennies to make them look like dimes, you're fine.

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    29. Re:are they even legal? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      It’s still illegal to make something whose sole and specific purpose would be illegal. That’s why file-sharing applications have to argue legitimate uses (and yeah, they do have legitimate uses) to avoid getting hit themselves. That shifts the blame to the users, because they do have legitimate reason to make the software: it has legitimate uses.

      But in any case, defacing currency is only illegal if it’s fraudulent. Pressing pennies or milling hollow coins isn’t fraudulent.

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    30. Re:are they even legal? by trapnest · · Score: 1

      You've clearly never seen one of those machines work.

    31. Re:are they even legal? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      I think they're pretty happy if you take a coin or bill out of circulation. Since it costs them less than the face value of the coin to mint it, you've just increased the value of the currency (micro-incrementally).

    32. Re:are they even legal? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Or the time when I sliced two $1 bills into thirds, sliced each third into ninths, and pasted them in order onto a Rubik’s cube. When it was solved, there were two complete dollar bills, one face-up, the other face-down, spanning three faces of the cube each. (The bills weren’t quite the perfect size, but it was close enough.)

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    33. Re:are they even legal? by drkim · · Score: 1

      If you think about it - it takes two real coins to make one hollowed out one. There would be no incentive to 'passing' a 'fake' quarter you made out of two original coins. There could be no fraudulent intent.

  7. Just wait a while ... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... with the federal deficit exploding, the fed is doing a fine job of hollowing out ALL you money, not just the change in your pocket.

    1. Re:Just wait a while ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wait, I'm confused... Where do I hide my microSD card in that case?

  8. Victim of the Economy... by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just another way for the mint to save money!

  9. Re:Coins? by BobMcD · · Score: 1

    I call bullshit. There's no way you're from a culture that doesn't use any kind of coins at all. They're a little more rare, but they still outnumber electronics in the vending arena. Or does your world not have Coke machines, either? Maybe your bills print in $1.25 increments? Or maybe the machine keeps the change? Do you live and work in a crappy hotel?

  10. inevitable jokes by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    penny for your thoughts?

    your turn, post your own bad puns

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    1. Re:inevitable jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, new sig! Did you finally micheal crawford your movie?

    2. Re:inevitable jokes by thijsh · · Score: 1

      There's a hole in your budget.

  11. Spyfolder by DeanLearner · · Score: 5, Funny

    Give me 20 quid and I will install a SPY FOLDER on your computer, whether it's Windows, Mac or Linux.

    You too can store things INSIDE your very own SPY FOLDER. Features include

    Store things inside.
    Keep things separate from other things that are not inside your SPY FOLDER.
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    1. Re:Spyfolder by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Looks like any other folder!

  12. Watch out! or else.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the Defense Department might think these coins are for espionage, just like the foreign Canadian quarters from 2007:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003697628_spycoins08.html

    1. Re:Watch out! or else.. by Minwee · · Score: 1

      the Defense Department might think these coins are for espionage, just like the foreign Canadian quarters from 2007

      As opposed to domestically produced Canadian quarters?

    2. Re:Watch out! or else.. by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      the Defense Department might think these coins are for espionage, just like the foreign Canadian quarters from 2007:

      I prefer to think of Canadian quarters as domestic currency.

      And your link gave me a laugh. More reason to change the name of the country to the "Paranoid States of America"

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    3. Re:Watch out! or else.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the Defense Department might think these coins are for espionage, just like the foreign Canadian quarters from 2007:

      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003697628_spycoins08.html

      As apposed to the native Canadian quarters in the US?

  13. Nothing new by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was a amateur magician when I was ten or twelve, and I'll be 58 next month. You could get those coins at any magic shop way back then, or through the mail from catalogs; I owned a couple of them. Also, any machinist can and could make them easily.

    1. Re:Nothing new by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree. These coins have been available in Magic shops for years and years. And the magic ones are usually higher quality and more difficult to detect, because they are designed to be handed to an audience member and examined in detail.

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    2. Re:Nothing new by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It must have been really hard grinding those coins out with a hand drill...

      I'm sorry, I'll get off your lawn.

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    3. Re:Nothing new by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      I may get razzed for giving away secrets, but in fact the magic ones do not need to be of high quality or particularly difficult to detect.

      One reason is human psychology. In most cases, if you lead someone to expect an ordinary situation, they will see an ordinary situation.

      The other reason is, that coin handed to an audience member to check? It is a real coin, not the prop used in the illusion.

    4. Re:Nothing new by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Hand drill? We'd have killed for hand drills. We had to use stones!

      I was a beta tester for dirt. We never did get all the bugs out.

      Hand me a beer and you can stay on the lawn...

    5. Re:Nothing new by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Mod that Irish monkey up! And a an early happy St patrick's day to you, sir. That is indeed the case, as you can see from any of a number of books found in your local bookstore or library, which is where I learned way back when.

      Another so-called secret: the hand ISN'T quicker than the eye. You just need to have the eye look away from the hand. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

    6. Re:Nothing new by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I was a beta tester for dirt. We never did get all the bugs out.

      I hear Microsoft is the new expert, but you must have been a pioneer in researching dealing with worms.

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  14. I just inserted a microSD card into my pee hole. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just inserted a microSD card into my penis' pee hole. Does that make my penis just a wallet, or is it a "spy wallet"?

  15. Monty Python Slippers by pipingguy · · Score: 1, Informative

    ThinkGeek is pretty neat. I've bought a lot of stuff from them (not much lately though).

    I keep The Rabbit of Caerbannog plush toy in my magician's hat.

  16. Re:Coins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A coin is a small, flat, typically round piece of metal that serves as a token of monetary value. As such they can be exchanged for goods or services.
    Originally coins were made of metal that had value in it self, corresponding to the value of the coin. Which is to say, the coin was not a token of value, but an actual valuable object. Today however, the actual value of the coin in terms of material and manufacturing is typically a lot less than the value the coin represents.

  17. That's nothing by AC-x · · Score: 5, Funny

    Micro-SD? I can fit a whole usb flash drive in my spy-rectum!

    1. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the satisfaction you state with exclamation i think a 320gig external drive would fit also in ur "spy-rectum"

    2. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goatse guy could transport a couple rolls of quarters. No one wants to spy that.

    3. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Micro-SD? I can fit a whole usb flash drive in my spy-rectum!

      Not everyone is as experienced as you are with putting foreign objects in spy-rectum.

    4. Re:That's nothing by Disfnord · · Score: 1

      That's nature's pocket.

  18. What's the point by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can walk right through security (airport, border, corporate) with a microSD card in your pocket and nobody blinks an eye. Trying to "smuggle" a MicroSD card through is more likely to result in you getting caught and treated badly (even if it isn't even illegal). If the data on the MicroSD card is what you're trying to hide, a better spy device would be a trick card... say, which was internally partitioned into two cards with some very obscure way (SW or HW) of switching between them. Put innocuous data on one side, stick it in your camera, phone, music player, whatever. Even if the goons search the card, that's all they find. Short the right contacts or send the right command, and get access to the "evil" data.

    1. Re:What's the point by choongiri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone really "smuggle" data on physical media any more? You could just gpg encrypt your copy of leaked_top_secret_data.doc using a strong key, put it on a server of your choosing, and retrieve it when you get to where you are going. Just possibly, if you were trying to get data *out* of a very locked down (no electronic devices or memory cards allowed) environment, hiding a memory card might be a necessary part of your plan, but borders and airports? It's just unnecessary. Even in the locked-down corporate / government scenario, if all you can smuggle in/out is the micro-SD card, do you really think they are going to have a card-reader plugged in ready for you to use?

    2. Re:What's the point by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah you make a good point - it would be extremely difficult if not impossible from a truly secure system such as the SCIFs used by government institutions to secure data. On top of all the policies regarding compartmentalization and data restrictions, you simply have no way to physically transfer data from the machine to a storage device. This has been thought of. These guys fought the Russians during the cold war. You're not going to get one over on them with a hollowed out coin and an SD card.

    3. Re:What's the point by Fishead · · Score: 1

      I was thinking it might be useful to hide your micro-SD card from your phone camera after using it in a secure location. Maybe touring a nuclear power facility, or a competitors fabrication plant and secretly taking pictures with your cellphone. When it comes time to exit the facility, simply swap your phone memory card with one full of family photos and phone numbers then hand over the phone for inspection.

    4. Re:What's the point by choongiri · · Score: 1

      If the nuclear power facility or competitor's fabrication plant doesn't want you taking photos, but still allows you to bring your phone (or even just camera) in in the first place, they have already lost because the photos will be uploaded and in the cloud before you even get back to the gate. Searching you on the way out is useless. That's my point - with pretty much every device online now, we're long past the era of smuggling microfilm.

    5. Re:What's the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slashdot post is just a denial-of-service attack on your collective attention span. While you are busy arguing about whether or not there is a point to hollow quarters, evildoers will be implementing something random and moronic that makes life suck. By the time you get tired of finding places to hide your flash drives, it will be too late!

  19. No biggie by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you've got to hide the micro SD card in a coin, you've also got the problem of where to hide the card reader.

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    1. Re:No biggie by cmiller173 · · Score: 0

      In any country with the hardware to hook a card reader to you can probably buy the card reader locally.

    2. Re:No biggie by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1

      Good point, but I was thinking of the problem of smuggling a card in and out of a government building. I still think I'd just stick the card under my shoe's insole, and maybe stick a thumbtack into the sole as a decoy, just in case the magnetometer is really that sensitive. 'Course, if they X-ray my shoe, then my goose is cooked. (Speaking hypothetically, of course.)

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  20. Re:I just inserted a microSD card into my pee hole by killmenow · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry but all that makes it small.

  21. Re:Coins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am Mayan, we use rocks, chocolate, and virgins for money

  22. No problem by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still torn: Is this a cheap shot at advertising or is Bruce really so deep in the doo that he has to peddle crap now?

    People, microSD cards are what their name suggests: Insanely TINY. They also don't really check on metal scanners that scan your body unless they're set to a level where the hemoglobin in your blood might set them off. Remember that tooth gap where your wisdom tooth used to be? Perfect place to put it while you go through whatever scanners your company might have in place.

    So please...

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    1. Re:No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have all my wisdom teeth intact you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:No problem by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Nah, Bruce is fine. He has always had things like that on his blog, letting people make up their own mind about them. It's probably the idea persons start to think that scanning people for SD cards is utter stupidity. And trust me, there are a lot of institutions (like mine) where this kind of thing still goes on.

    3. Re:No problem by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      O-kay, I can see that. Thanks for clarifying. Makes a lot more sense when seen as a cynical commentary on the scanning craze.

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  23. are you a k5 retard? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    why do you guys pick on mike?

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  24. When you see a guy trying to open a coin... by AlexiaDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Picture this: a guy is busy with the little opening ring on a handful of change and NONE of them open. Say bye-bye to your data on that sd card. :D

  25. FBI Hollow-Nickel Story by kenh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hollow Nickel, Hidden Agent

    What’s a nickel worth?

    No, it’s not a riddle. It’s a case straight from the pages of FBI history.

    It all started in June 1953, when a Brooklyn newspaper boy picked up a nickel he’d just dropped. Almost like magic, the coin split in half. And inside was a tiny photograph, showing a series of numbers too small to read.

    Even if the boy kept up with the front page news on the papers he delivered, he probably never would have guessed that this extraordinary coin was the product of one of the most vital national security issues of the day: the growing Cold War between the world’s two nuclear powers, the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

    The coin ultimately made its way to the FBI, which opened a counterintelligence case, knowing the coin suggested there was an active spy in New York City. But who?

    New York agents quickly began working to trace the hollow nickel. They talked to the ladies who passed the nickel on to the delivery boy, with no success. They talked to local novelty store owners, but none had seen anything like it. A lot of shoe leather was ruined, but no hot leads emerged.

    Meanwhile, the coin itself underwent expert examination. FBI Lab scientists in Washington pored over it. They immediately realized the photograph contained a coded message, but they couldn’t crack it. The coin did yield clues, however. The type-print, Lab experts concluded, must have come from a foreign typewriter. Metallurgy showed that the back half was from a coin minted during World War II. Ultimately, the coin was filed away, but not forgotten.

    The key break came four years later, when a Russian spy named Reino Hayhanen defected to the United States. Hayhanen—really the American born Eugene Maki—shared all kinds of secrets on Soviet spies. He led FBI agents to one out-of-the-way hiding place, called a “dead drop,” where FBI agents found a hollowed-out bolt with a typewritten message inside. When asked about it, Hayhanen said the Soviets had given him all kinds of hollowed-out objects: pens, screws, batteries, even coins. He turned over one such coin, which instantly reminded agents of the Brooklyn nickel. The link was made.

    From there, Hayhanen put investigators on the trail of his case officer, a Soviet spy named “Mark” who was operating without diplomatic cover and under several false identities.

    After painstaking detective work, agents figured out that “Mark” was really William Fisher, aka Rudolf Abel, who was arrested on June 21, 1957. Though Abel refused to talk, his hotel room and office revealed an important prize: a treasure trove of modern espionage equipment.

    Abel was eventually convicted of espionage and sentenced to a long jail term. In 1962, he was exchanged for American U-2 pilot Francis Gary Powers, who had been shot down over the U.S.S.R. and held prisoner there.

    In the end, a nickel was worth a great deal: the capture of a Soviet spy and the protection of a nation.

    Link: http://www.fbi.gov/fbihistorybook.htm

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    1. Re:FBI Hollow-Nickel Story by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      I so would accidentally put the hollowed out quarter in the vending machine. I'd need a Dr. Pepper one day and then BAM, lost the quarter to the vending machine...

    2. Re:FBI Hollow-Nickel Story by sootman · · Score: 1

      To see cool artifacts such as described in this story (since this is evidently a slashvertisement thread) you can go to the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C. It's a private museum so it's not free (around $15-18 per person) but I hear it's pretty cool and they've got lots of neat little spy gadgets. (I didn't make it in on my last trip to DC since I was short of time and money. Had lots of fun in the Smithsonians, though.)

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    3. Re:FBI Hollow-Nickel Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice copypasta there, kenh.

    4. Re:FBI Hollow-Nickel Story by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Interesting story, but I don't see how the nickel really aided in the capture of the spy. He was turned over by a defector and they found espionage equipment in his home. What was the link?

  26. 1950's technology by mbone · · Score: 1

    Why should "corporate and government security geeks" be especially worried about 1950's technology ?

  27. Hiding in plain sight by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering how laptops have become fair game for involuntary search and seizure at US borders, I think putting your 'important stuff' on a microSD card inside a hollow coin is probably a good idea.

    My blackberry has a microSD card in it. I have passed through many different customs / airport security examinations and nobody has ever examined the contents of the card. I don't see the point of paying for an even smaller microSD card carrier, when I already have a small microSD reader that I carry with me everywhere that nobody ever raises an eye towards.

    And even if my phone is off, or the battery is dead, it still does just fine at carrying the card and looking extremely ordinary. You could also substitute most Motorola phones in the same role, and any number of other phones that I haven't paid attention to that also use microSD.

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    1. Re:Hiding in plain sight by poetmatt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sure, that sounds good and all, but it's not realistic or related to what you're replying to. a cellphone is not a laptop. While both can hold enormous amounts of data (16gb/32gb microsd - I think most blackberries can only hold 16 max if I recall correctly), apparently border searches and the likes constitute searching laptops - they make a distinction.

      My android phone holds significantly more data (and can do more, functionality wise) than your blackberry - it could be "more dangerous". Yet they could care less what phone any of us have, as they rarely ever inspect it.

      So the coin makes sense but mostly all of the devices point out how security is basically stupid at best.

    2. Re:Hiding in plain sight by houghi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Probably because you are not a beard wearing Mediteranian. Random searches and such, you know.

      And a nice place place would be in your laptop itself. For small things, just put them in the battery department. And for very topsecret things, open the laptop and tape it to the motherboard. Unless they realy are looking for it AND have somebody know how the xray should look like, it will look like a motherboard with some chips on it.

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    3. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First they came for the laptops, but I didn't speak up because I carried all my data in my phone...

      But no, seriously, do you think that the day will never come when people's phones are seized? Laptops are more valuable than phones, so if they are willing and able to get away with dispossessing you of those, the only reason phones aren't being taken is that they don't feel that is useful 'right now'. Someday some undersecretary is going to think 'phones carry lots of data now too, we should be searching those as well!' and boom, a new policy will be put in place, and you'll be saying goodbye to your microSD card.

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    4. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Exactly... also Border Guards might start cluing in to cell phones at some point at which point BlackBerries and such wont be a safe spot. The coinage presumably looks to x-rays and stuff like a normal coin which means they probably wont make you empty out your wallet and search each and every coin you have on you.

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    5. Re:Hiding in plain sight by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So the coin makes sense but mostly all of the devices point out how security is basically stupid at best.

      I disagree with you on that. The purpose of these coins is just to hide the microSD card. Except that a hollowed-out coin would look more suspicious at the airport scanner. You can physically put the same microSD card into your phone (any phone that takes a microSD, that is) and raise no suspicion whatsoever.

      Hence the coin makes no sense, unless you don't own a phone that can take a microSD - in which case you're a terrible excuse for a spy.

      So if the point is to make security look silly, then the best route would be to keep doing what we already do. And if someone released a 128gb microSD tomorrow, you could still physically place it in your phone even if it only supports up to 16 or 32gb; your phone just wouldn't be able to read it. But a non-readable card in a phone is still equally as useful as the same card in a coin, and still just as useful when you get to the other end.

      they could care less what phone any of us have, as they rarely ever inspect it

      That is pretty much the point I am making. We already have good tools for smuggling microSD cards to wherever. We can move arbitrarily large microSD cards through security today without anyone asking questions. These coins are meaningless toys.

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    6. Re:Hiding in plain sight by expatriot · · Score: 1

      This is likely targeted at companies rather than customs. Many big companies do not allow guests to bring in mobile phones or USB sticks for just that reason. They also do not allow access to the internet (except through a named individual and location).

      The bigger limitation (as someone mentioned below) is that these types of company typicaly disable all external storage connectors.

      Even so, there are some people who do not want to take the chance of their phone being examined in detail.

    7. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Laptops USED to be more valuable than phones. I would suggest to you that PHONES are now even more valuable than laptops. I know my phone has more valuable data on it than my computer does. Not only that, the data on my computer is backed up on a regular basis, and I'm not sure that I can back up the data on my phone all that easily.

      Aww Crap! I'm screwed!

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    8. Re:Hiding in plain sight by bmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't even need a phone that actually uses micro SD cards.

      You can tape a micro SD card in the back of a low-end ordinary cellphone. Since the phone isn't viewed even as a computing device, the only way the border agents are going to find anything is if they actually take the back off the phone.

      The only way to keep data from entering/leaving the country would be to shut down travel entirely, shut down the mail, shut down the parcel services, and turn the US into North Korea.

      I shouldn't say that too loud and give them ideas, should I?

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    9. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I can back up my phone more easily than my computer because it has a microSD card. Pull it out, copy it, done. So long as you don't keep much on the SIM card you should be fine. In pure monetary terms though, a new decent laptop still almost always costs more than a new decent phone, and I don't foresee that changing in the near future.

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    10. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Except that a hollowed-out coin would look more suspicious at the airport scanner.

      It should look exactly the same as any other coin. Their scanners can’t see through solid metal. They can’t tell the difference between a real gun and a thin metal plate that’s cut out in the shape of one. I seemed to remember that there was actually somebody using x-ray opaque ink to print stencils onto plain paper, but I can’t seem to find a link... all I found was an artist who was cutting silhouettes out of sheet metal.

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    11. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      While it is true that many companies, especially defense contractors, have strict regulations about device possession/usage, there's not a lot of point to having flash memory (by whatever means of transport/concealment) if you can't read/write to it due to readers/ports being disabled on company systems.

      Though in practice these regulations are not so strictly enforced, except in Top Secret-secured areas where people have to check practically everything on their person before entry. (I have worked in a companies of this sort with government contracts.)

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    12. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I'm not going to say what I do or for whom (paranoid about clearance reviews), let me say I have experience in what x-ray operators look for and how, and I don't think most would think twice about a tiny square in tray of coins unless given specific instructions to start looking for things like that. Even given specific instructions, the size and frequency of such a thing would lead to a lot of misses in high volume screening.

    13. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 0

      Sorry but you're extremely misinformed. Please don't make authoritative-sounding comments about things you don't know anything about.

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    14. Re:Hiding in plain sight by anagama · · Score: 1

      If a person really wanted to move sensitive information across a border, carrying it would be totally silly in 99% or more of all situations. SSH does not show up on any xray machine, metal detector, or other scanner designed to electronically search a person and their stuff. The only time carrying the data over a border would be reasonable, would be if it is being retrieved from a country that has no internet access or where SSHing would arouse suspicion.

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    15. Re:Hiding in plain sight by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      But no, seriously, do you think that the day will never come when people's phones are seized?

      It could happen.

      However, seizing every laptop for additional scrutiny as it passes through airport security isn't that difficult, because there aren't that many laptops passing through at any given time. Cell phones, though, are another matter altogether.

      Think of it this way - what fraction of the traveling public travels with a laptop? What fraction travels with a cell phone of some sort?

      Based on my own informal observations at the airport I would say that more people travel with cell phones than do not. And the fraction who travel with laptops are still pretty small. So scrutinizing all the laptops isn't that big of a deal. But scrutinizing all the phones would be insane.

      So unless something changes technologically to make it easier to screen all phones in less time, I wouldn't be concerned for the moment on more intense searches on cell phones. Hence the coins are not of any meaningful advantage over a phone.

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    16. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Laptops are more valuable than phones, so if they are willing and able to get away with dispossessing you of those, the only reason phones aren't being taken is that they don't feel that is useful 'right now'.

      It's possible to brick a stolen phone if you know the IMEI code.

      Did I say stolen? I mean confiscated quite legally purely for 100% lawful purposes of preventing tehrrism.

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    17. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Not all laptops are seized, duh. They are simply fair game, and so are phones, it's just that seizure of phones is currently not a common practice for data inspection.

      I also think you're kidding yourself about the prevalence of laptops among travelers. Yes, more people carry phones than laptops, but the number with laptops is far from insignificant. I could see somebody making the same 'there are too many!' argument about them in the past, but those issues have already been overcome. It's a matter of both time and motivation for that to change in regard to phones, partial inspection could begin at any time, and selective inspection/seizure does occur already, just not frequently and usually not for data-related reasons.

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    18. Re:Hiding in plain sight by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Except that if one wants to move data where they are being explicitly forbidden from doing such the phone is going to be blocked.

      Airport security is not the real problem, it is highly secured (against information removal) areas where you would want to hide an SD card in a coin. Airports security cares very little about information, they are more concerned in a typical courthouse for example than at the airport.

      There are plenty (I'm willing to bet at least a dozen) of areas where a phone may be blocked, and a coin would be allowed.

      Though, this is slashvertisement, as in reality very few people need it, and it is simple a novelty.

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    19. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      You do realize there are fair amount of countries where exactly those conditions you describe exist right? Asia is full of them.

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    20. Re:Hiding in plain sight by trapnest · · Score: 1

      How would one do that?

    21. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      First of all, which links were you trying to show me? The “images” results, which were probably made with long-exposure x-rays to show the features of a solid-metal gun? Or the ones with polymer bodies, which won’t be opaque? Or the “photomontages illustrating the concept of xray screening”, which has a bunch of simulated (!) images?

      Now that I think about it, though, it does seem that I remember the printed stencils were able to make a more detailed x-ray than a metal cut-out, which would appear as an opaque silhouette.

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    22. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I dunno about that. The Smart Phones I'm currently looking at cost as much as one of the lower end laptops. And since I don't look at the subsidized prices, I get a fair representation of what they actually cost.

      I'm looking at iPhone, Blackberry and Droids, and may look Palm.

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    23. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Lower end != decent. That's why I used that qualifier. Yeah, a shitty and/or used laptop costs less than the hottest, newest phone. That's not a surprise.

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    24. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those too lazy to follow the link -- if you click the first search result, about 1/4 the way down the page there is a X-ray picture of a .45 being fired, and the bullet inside the metal barrel is clearly visible. So, no, these spy coins will not hide your microSD card from an X-ray machine. It will just make you look suspicious.

    25. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Domint · · Score: 1

      If a person really wanted to move sensitive information across a border, carrying it would be totally silly in 99% or more of all situations. SSH does not show up on any xray machine, metal detector, or other scanner designed to electronically search a person and their stuff. The only time carrying the data over a border would be reasonable, would be if it is being retrieved from a country that has no internet access or where SSHing would arouse suspicion.

      What if you're looking to push a lot of data over the border in a short timespan? For example, I could load up say 16 16G MicroSD cards giving me a total capacity of 256G, take a drive across my nearest national border (about 2 hours away) and have pushed a lot more data than any ISP would. Sure, the latency sucks, but the bandwidth is quite large (approx. 582 Mbits/sec).

    26. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and a response from a radiologist saying that the image was fake: done by placing a bullet in the chamber and then x-raying it with a high-amperage x-ray.

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    27. Re:Hiding in plain sight by b0bby · · Score: 1

      The only way to keep data from entering/leaving the country would be to shut down travel entirely, shut down the mail, shut down the parcel services, and turn the US into North Korea.

      If by "turn the US into North Korea" you mean no internet, maybe. I don't see why you would bother with smuggling flash memory when you could just FTP (or SFTP) anything you want inside a TrueCrypt container. Much easier & safer.

    28. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      You made the blanket statement that x-rays used for screening "can’t see through solid metal". This is false, depends on the thickness of the metal and the nature of the alloy. Also, metal obscurance up to a certain thickness only decreases resolution and this can be compensated for in software. See here. (Smiths machines are used at most US federal airports.) Trust me, I work with this stuff, modern x-rays used for screening will make the difference between a real gun and anything but a realistic model very obvious. Not to mention an operator worth his salt will slam the threat button if anything looks remotely like a weapon, and the bag will be searched. So it's a moot point.

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    29. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, radiologists know so much about security screening, cause, you know, medical x-rays are obviously designed to compensate for threat concealment in their image analysis software. Oh, wait, no, they're not designed to do that at all, and medical radiologists have no security-relevant training.

      Ugh. If I weren't paranoid about my clearance I'd tell you which federal agency I work with and in what capacity...

    30. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Yet they could care less what phone any of us have, as they rarely ever inspect it

      So, if they did care less, they wouldn't inspect it at all, instead of rarely? How much less could they care than how much they currently care?

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    31. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention an operator worth his salt will slam the threat button if anything looks remotely like a weapon, and the bag will be searched.

      Well, yeah. That’s the main idea. Anything looking remotely suspicious triggers a search, so even if it doesn’t look perfectly like the real thing they’d have to check it to make sure.

      However, I’m still not convinced that hollow coins would look suspicious.

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    32. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Sigh. I guess somebody will just have to x-ray one of these coins and find out.

      Care to volunteer?

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    33. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I agree that hollow coins are unlikely to cause suspicion, and even unlikely to be caught even if declared suspicious by a policy change.

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    34. Re:Hiding in plain sight by TheMidget · · Score: 1

      The only way to keep data from entering/leaving the country would be to ... turn the US into North Korea.

      Do you really think the powers-that-be would agree to give the people even that much freedom?

    35. Re:Hiding in plain sight by JesseL · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Send me a hollow coin and I'll do it. I've X-rayed guns before (http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/J_M_Lambert/Guns/SR9X-ray.jpg), and condsidering the way it's easy to see through a metal magazine, and through the brass cartridges inside of it, I'd speculate that it should be pretty easy to differentiate hollow coin from a normal one.

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    36. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Why don’t you contact ThinkGeek and see if they’ll give you free samples in exchange for a pretty picture and nice write-up?

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    37. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmmm, lets see. I will play your little guessing game. You say you use x-ray, you are too lazy to investigate strange things, and even if you know what to look for, you will probably miss it. I will guess that you are.....TSA.

    38. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      First they came for the laptops, but I didn't speak up because I carried all my data in my phone...

      ATTENTION! ATTENTION! This is a public service announcement from the Pre-Revolutionary Committee for the Formation of Revolutionary Tribunals.

      People abusing the "First they came"-meme for trivial matters are considered counterrevolutionary and will be FIRST against the wall come the revolution, just to prove them wrong.

      Signed,
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    39. Re:Hiding in plain sight by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      if you know the serial number then some phones you can send an SMS message that has
      %system code% %serial number% %passcode% or something that looks like pure gibberish but once the phone "sees" the message 1 it hard locks the phone 2 it wipes all memory locations 3 throws up a message to report to a service location (since they can dump the rom and reload it)

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    40. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Yeah, warrantless seizure by state agents of expensive personal property for the purposes of finding state-disapproved data is so trivial. I can't imagine why it could be compared to warrantless seizure of persons by state agents. {/sarcasm}

      You dolt.

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    41. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Damn and blast! I am undone!

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    42. Re:Hiding in plain sight by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      According to wikipedia, a US Quarter is 1.75mm thick. They also tell us a MicroSD card is 1mm thick. Hence if you hollowed out the Quarter for essentiall no play, you would have .75mm of quarter (you've hollowed out 5/9ths of the thickness). That also means you'd have .5mm on each side of the microSD...

      What is the minimum thickness of a Copper-Nickel alloy needed to diffract all airport scanner x-ray beams?

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    43. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Trivial compared to what Niemöller's poem originally was about - the disappearing and murder of people by the fascists. I am not saying that seizure of phones is a trivial matter. I am saying that trotting out that meme on every occasion trivializes the worst chapter of history we experienced so far. I have read a "First they came" post in three different stories on /. today and I am getting fed up with it. Words... they have meanings. Use them accordingly. Using the strongest possible comparison three times a day makes it somewhat meaningless. Save it for when it is needed.

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    44. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I cannot evaluate the other uses you have seen having not seen them myself, but I am fairly convinced that the use here is, no pun intended, warranted. Most importantly, it is behaviors like these perpetrated by governments that lead down the road to people 'disappearing' instead of simply gadgets. I recognize you were probably primed to go off, but I can't agree that this use was inappropriate.

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    45. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But are the ports disabled? Currently on my unclass system, USB is blocked, SD and eSATA are not.

    46. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Depends on the company or agency. There is no blanket configuration policy for unclassified systems.

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    47. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      I'll give you that I was primed to go off at the next possible occasion, which was your post - no personal offense meant. I completely agree with your concern about unwarranted search and seizure, and I am willing to give you that in the widest sense - being a warning against political apathy - your use of the quote was somewhat merited. I still think it is too strong, comparable to crying about the end of the world on every environmental topic. But in the end, rhetorics is not a good reason to fight when agreeing on the actual subject matter.

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    48. Re:Hiding in plain sight by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, no, they actually care about laptops. And phones. They actually know those can hold data, so just might take them even if they can't find any.

      Tape it to the circuit board of your travel alarm clock. Or your electric razor.

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    49. Re:Hiding in plain sight by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      hollowed out coin is going to look suspicious? They don't scan change. They give you a little basket to put crap in and then they pass it around the scanner.

      Hence, there is no scanning of the device. you can probably put your cellphone in said basket too. Same thing applies even internationally.

    50. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      You're not getting it. I'm not saying that it wouldn't look different from a normal quarter on an x-ray typical of a US federalized airport. It most certainly would look different. What I'm saying is that it is so small, appears so innocuous, and the frequency so rare, that without a specific directive few if any TSO's would push a threat button for it and give secondary screening. Even with a specific directive to look for such things, size and rarity would likely lead to very high miss rates.

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    51. Re:Hiding in plain sight by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don’t think they x-ray your keys and change anyway. You just drop them in the basket while you walk through the metal detector.

      Or have they begun to run those through the x-ray machine too now?

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    52. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Up to the company/agency/contractor/operator. Not to mention a lot of people routinely lump things that need to be scanned (like phones) in with their change.

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    53. Re:Hiding in plain sight by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I bet the hollow coin is lighter than a normal coin and that an experienced inspector would pick that up.

    54. Re:Hiding in plain sight by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Except that a hollowed-out coin would look more suspicious at the airport scanner.

      It should look exactly the same as any other coin. Their scanners can’t see through solid metal. They can’t tell the difference between a real gun and a thin metal plate that’s cut out in the shape of one. I seemed to remember that there was actually somebody using x-ray opaque ink to print stencils onto plain paper, but I can’t seem to find a link... all I found was an artist who was cutting silhouettes out of sheet metal.

      The hollow coin can't have the same weight as a normal one, and IMHO people are pretty good picking up "the odd one out" in a hand full of whatever.

    55. Re:Hiding in plain sight by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don’t think they x-ray your keys and change anyway. You just drop them in the basket while you walk through the metal detector.

      Or have they begun to run those through the x-ray machine too now?

      Where I travel (mostly in Asia) little basket full of misc items goes through the machine.

    56. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People abusing the "First they came"-meme for trivial matters are considered counterrevolutionary and will be FIRST against the wall come the revolution,

      First they came for the 'first they came'-meme abusers, but I didn't speak up because I was not a 'first they came'-meme abu%!$*%& [NO CARRIER]

    57. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      I doubt that 'weighing/handling every coin' is part of even the strictest inspection procedures.

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    58. Re:Hiding in plain sight by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      A good security person will keep their senses open. Touch things and let your muscles and nerves alert you to strange things. Help people by passing their stuff to them. Watch their manner. If I had a hollow coin I might handle it differently, afraid that it might open. By acting differently I am exposing the differentness of me and that item.

    59. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you seriously arguing grammatical semantics? Welcome to slashdot.

    60. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      How many are that 'good'? I mean if a nervous guy with a crotchload of PETN can make it through, is somebody with a coin full of files going to be nervous enough to draw attention? Unless that guy is a total putz, I kinda doubt it.

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    61. Re:Hiding in plain sight by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "They give you a little basket to put crap in and then they pass it around the scanner."

      Those days are over. Everything goes through, belts, shoes and wallets included.

      Just put the SD cards in your mouth or another orifice.

    62. Re:Hiding in plain sight by smhsmh · · Score: 1

      > My blackberry has a microSD card in it. I have passed through many different customs / airport
      > security examinations and nobody has ever examined the contents of the card. I don't see the
      > point of paying for an even smaller microSD card carrier, when I already have a small microSD
      > reader that I carry with me everywhere that nobody ever raises an eye towards.

      Certainly so. The ways of hiding information inside a piece of digital electronics are too numerous to enumerate, and it is far easier to transfer huge amounts of contraband data safely using various internet protocols.

      But suppose one absolutely needed to transport something like a micro-sd card through border control. Your completely innocent cell phone or laptop or personal dvd player is full of electronics that look to a X-ray very similar to an sd card. Just find a cluttered place on the motherboard and tack the micro-sd card with a little rubber cement or tape. Be careful to preserve the alignment (most chips are aligned at right angles to with the motherboard) and the chip will be unnoticeable to X-ray. And since it is completely unconnected to the mother device, it will also be undetectable under any software exploration of the device.

      Subterfuge and terrorism are easy. Policies that make ridiculous the motivation for subterfuge and terrorism are far more difficult.

    63. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's always worth pointing out to somebody when they mangle a phrase, lazily and habitually intending the opposite of the words that are coming out of their mouth. Making sounds that are similar to the words you mean to use, but which actually mean the opposite, involves about the same level of comprehension and communication as a ringneck parakeet doing an impression of a smoke alarm going off.

      Why say "I could care less," when what you mean is the exact opposite? All that does is mark you as someone for whom language is just empty chimp noises. Such a person is usually a poor coder, a lousy debater, an annoying coworker or spouse, and sometimes actually dangerous. Why? Because they've separated cognition from language. Typos are one thing, and we all make them. But deliberately deciding that "Ubuntu is a good distro" means the same thing as "Ubuntu is not a good distro" says a lot about your take on the world, and in how little regard you hold the people whose time you're wasting when you flap your lips to expose your thoughtlessness.

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    64. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a rooted Android phone, all I do is boot, fire up a nandroid backup, and have an image-based backup to restore to. For files and applications, there are various utilities I can use for incremental backups. Then, I can copy the nandroid backups off the phone.

      If I lose that backup, I can restore from a cloud backup from Sprite or another backup utility.

    65. Re:Hiding in plain sight by DaleSwanson · · Score: 1

      Actually, you just gave me a better idea. Instead of hollowed coin, why not a key? That would get around the weight problem, since some random key doesn't have a known weight. Also the key is larger making it easier.

    66. Re:Hiding in plain sight by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      ... I'd speculate that it should be pretty easy to differentiate hollow coin from a normal one.

      Yes, if you you were specifically looking to differentiate one from the other. If, on the other hand, you were just scanning a pocketful of stuff emptied at an airport scanner, you would probably see a bunch of coins and a ring. I have no idea if the traces of the Micro-SD would show through, but if you had enough other "stuff" in your pocket, it would probably not even raise an eyebrow.

      Better yet, just "forget that you had your lucky coin in that other pocket" and walk through the metal detector. Then show the coin when they pass the wand over you.

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    67. Re:Hiding in plain sight by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      ... and who's to say what it should look like in an x-ray. Some keys intrinsically mix metals and polymers. I think you're quite on to something.

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    68. Re:Hiding in plain sight by trapnest · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    69. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

      Does your mom know you're using her computer?

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    70. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he said !

    71. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Yeah. But good luck with that. Even average people have dozens, or sometimes even hundreds of objects on or with them, do you want to spend hours checking each of them ? Sure -if- you're already suspicious of someone, you perform a more thorough check, but you can't do that to everyone, or even a significant fraction. (though I've never once in my life experienced a check that would've found such a coin)

    72. Re:Hiding in plain sight by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I've never once in my life experienced a check that would've found such a coin

      I have, but while it was at an airport it wasn't to get on a flight. It was on the engineering side in an Asian country where security is taken very seriously.

    73. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      There are currently 16 laptops in the $400- $500 range that are better than my current laptop. Smart Phones I'm considering, like Driods, iPhones and Blackberry, are in that same price range.

      While I realize that my laptop is Shitty and all, but I'd rather spend my $ on a smart phone I use more than my laptop.

      In fact, I dare say that I use my phone more than my laptop. Except when I'm on /. of course ;) :-D

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    74. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...that are better than my current laptop.

      You need to look beyond simple specs to quality. (Not only that but you don't say what your laptop even is. My dad had Toshiba running an ancient Pentium MMX up until just about a month ago.) When I say decent I don't mean x, y, z specs woo! I mean 'is not going to fail 1 day after the warranty expires' as well.

    75. Re:Hiding in plain sight by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Spend $2000 on a laptop (what mine cost, top of the line Dell at the time), that lasts 4-5 years (400 - 500/yr) or spend $500 on a new laptop every year or so. Figure out which one would give have me have a better laptop right now?

      I have replaced the Power Supply, Battery and keyboard, and upgraded the RAM. My company won't buy another $2000 laptop for me, but they'll spend a little here, little there to keep this one running. Go figure.

      The point is, at $500 for a laptop, they are practically disposable in two years when the battery dies, or the Power supply breaks, or I need more RAM or ...

      I can do the calculations in my head where the lesser expensive units make more sense when running TCO.

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  28. Re:Coins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today however, the actual value of the coin in terms of material and manufacturing is typically a lot less than the value the coin represents.

    Or more!
    At the end of the (Dutch) guilder era, 1 ct coins cost more that 1 ct to manufacture. Reason to cancel the 1ct coins.
    (payable amounts.
    Now we have the euro, again manufacturing (and handling) €0,01 and € 0.02 is considered too expensive.
    All payable amounts are rounded to the nearest 0.05

  29. Loss prevention nightmare by HTMLSpinnr · · Score: 1

    For those who work in an electronics store (or it's distribution centers), this will be a loss prevention nightmare for your tiny chips (like MicroSD).

    "Oh, just a wad of change? No problem sir! Go on ahead..."

    On the other hand, if I accidentally put it through the Coke machine on the way out of Fry's, I think I'd have what's coming to me. ;-)

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    1. Re:Loss prevention nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because stores just have bowls of MicroSD chips lying out for people to put their hands into. And none of the chips ever have any tough plastic packaging that would be impossible to remove inconspicuously. And stores always search customers as they leave, so the most effective way to steal things is to conceal them really really well, rather than just, say, not acting conspicuous and dropping things into a foil-lined purse to defeat the anti-theft tags.

    2. Re:Loss prevention nightmare by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      He wasn’t talking about customers. He was talking about employees.

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    3. Re:Loss prevention nightmare by HTMLSpinnr · · Score: 1

      So was I - the amount of internal theft way before things hit retail shelves at some companies is astounding. Equally so is the ways these thieves attempt to get things out the door (in body parts, lunch boxes, inside laptop DVD-ROM drives, through the garbage, etc.).

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  30. TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you'd be better off with a TrueCrypt file named DSC13423.jpg stored on an SDHC card loaded inside a point and shoot camera. Better if it is surrounded by other images with sequential numbers that make sense too.

    1. Re:TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Better yet, use an existing image on there in such a way as to hide it with steganography -- that way it still looks like a photo. Otherwise, they might scroll through your pics and wonder why one is "broken".

    2. Re:TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or the same thing in your mp3s in an microSD card in your phone.

      Use really obscure music, or hell, just invent some, so that you can cram as much information in as you want, and no one will be able to tell that it's 'off'. (Whereas you might actually luck across a Pink Floyd fan or whatever who actually decides to listen to one of the songs and notices slight distortion.)

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    3. Re:TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You’ve never pulled a card out of the camera while the light was still flashing, I presume...

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    4. Re:TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does rather limit how much you can store.

    5. Re:TrueCrypt file named DSC43423.jpg by evilviper · · Score: 1

      think you'd be better off with a TrueCrypt file named DSC13423.jpg stored on an SDHC card loaded inside a point and shoot camera.

      It'll take mere seconds for software to discover that there's one file, among the hundreds, which appears to be corrupt, and/or has trailing data (in the stenographic case)...

      If you're really going to hide data, you need to do it with minimally-modified pixels inside that image. In which case, you're going to be able to hold very, very little secret data amongst a large number of photos.

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  31. Re:Coins? by cmiller173 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is the exchange rate USD to virgins?

  32. These seem like neat toys... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, for one, would probably waste far too much of my limited lifespan just opening and closing the hollow coin, sounds cooler than your average desk toy.

    They seem virtually irrelevant as either a security threat or a tool of asymmetric covert operation, though. MicroSD cards are already small and durable(resistant to liquids, magnetic fields, a number of common solvents, surprising amounts of mechanical strain, etc.). Perhaps more importantly, they are already dirt-cheap and extremely common consumer electronics. Unlike, say, little bits of microfilm, which might not like being stored under your tongue or embedded in the gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe, and which are instantly suspicious on discovery(since virtually nobody used tiny pieces of microfilm in the course of ordinary activity. Libraries always used long spools or large cards of the stuff, and hardly anybody else used any at all), a microSD card, even a plainly visible one, arouses no particular suspicion. Virtually every mid-market cellphone comes with one, lots of PMPs use them for storage expansion, you can even get them at pharmacies.

    Even in fascist Orwellistan, or some high-security facility, where it would be legal and accepted to inspect people for them, it would be an immensely tedious chore, because they are so common.

    If you are running some sort of high-security operation, your computers would(unless you are a terminal incompetent) be configured without any means of transferring data to unapproved storage media(configuring the OS to, say, only load drivers for USB_HID devices with vendor ID matching whoever your vendor is, and load no driver and send an alert with the machine name, logged on user, and lsusb output to IT security is not commonly done; but it is hardly rocket surgery.) Trying to stop secrets from leaving by physically intercepting tiny chunks of flash memory at the door is just stupid.

    1. Re:These seem like neat toys... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you can successfully hide a MicroSD card behind a Stamp on a letter (big stamp, big letter) and have it arrive intact. I did this as a bet to a friend. I sent it to him in florida from michigan.
        I did modify the SD card. I sanded off the extended lip to make it all the same thickness, and I embossed the envelope where the st card was to go to give it a bit more room. it was undetectable by casual inspection, but if you flexed it in the stamp location you could feel it.

      Spy's used to send microfilm cutouts under stamps all the time. I still have a MINOX camera that I paid a dear amount for back in the 90's when I was into collecting real spy trinkets.

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    2. Re:These seem like neat toys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you open up the card you'll find that the board inside is usually much smaller. They aren't designed to be opened but many are cheaply made and will come apart fairly easily (accidentally even.)

  33. Re:Coins? by hanabal · · Score: 1

    where I lived the only reason I needed cash was to pay my tab at the office canteen. so once every two weeks I would go to the mall on the way to work, withdraw $20 and pay off the tab. Other than that I never needed cash. It was a huge huge shock when I arrived in the UK. The number of times I was caught needing actual solid cash was shocking and frustrating. I was so used to not ever needing it.

  34. Is that legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well, apparently.

    This may be walking a fine but legal line, since the coins are both real (not counterfeit) and still usable as currency (not defaced). But it's probably up for stimulated debate.

  35. TAG ARTICLE === SLASHVERTISEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey kdawson, nice way to jack up profits. A little conflict of interest, eh?

  36. not working with android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their popup javascript window does not work with android's webkit. It will not allow you to select a radio button.

  37. Plausible deniability? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

    What's with plausible deniability in that case? Like: "I got that as a change from the cafeteria (or other place), no idea whose it is." If a data on the stick is encrypted with TrueCrypt, does that give you a Double Plausible Deniability bonus?

  38. Idea would be better off with batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think fake batteries would be a much better choice than a coin for this purpose though.

    Here's why:
    1. Small batteries are just as ubiquitous as coinage.
    2. You don't have to worry about which currency you carry when traveling.
    3. You don't worry about accidentally mixing it with other coins and spending it.
    4. You can carry it around in the battery compartment of some other device or cheap toy. (Which also means you can hand it off along with your "gift".)
    5. A AA battery is actually just large enough to fit a standard USB plug inside, so it would be more readily usable while needing no special reader or connector. Other relatively small sizes such as C, D, and 9V batteries would work just as well.

  39. Hollowed Coins: about 150 years old. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hollowed coins for messages older than heck. They didn't hit their heyday until people started using microfilm and photographic espionage with microdots and similar. But seriously, nothing new under the sun. Flash Cards have been concealable sized for a decade and change now, meh.

  40. Old news by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Those of us with the eyes to see have long known that coins are notorious for being psychotronic mind-control amplifiers. That's why I only use my own banknotes, drawn on the First Bank of Rogerborg. Also: Al Gore is completely right about global warming.

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  41. Re:Coins? by thijsh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Depending on A/S/L up to $3.7 million according to Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480037,00.html

  42. Re:Coins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoosh...

  43. Re:I just inserted a microSD card into my pee hole by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get your genres straight; we're talking about spies, not private dicks.

  44. Most computers can't read microSD without help by creidieki · · Score: 1

    I've been away from cutting-edge technology for a while (poor graduate student), so I had to look up whether microSD cards are compatible enough to be useful here.

    SD cards are a type of memory card that come in three basic sizes: SD cards, miniSD, and microSD. The microSD cards are indeed ridiculously tiny, and can fit in a hollow coin. Many computers today (particularly laptops) do come with integrated SD readers, but they can't fit the microSD cards without an adapter (microSD in a normal SD slot) or a USB reader.

    So you can carry around a liveboot linux distribution in your "lucky half-dollar", full of awesome spy tools, but it won't work on most computers unless you're also carrying around a microSD reader. So you're a lot better off buying one of the tiny or pre-disguised USB drives (pen, cigarette lighter, etc.). ThinkGeek has plenty.

    1. Re:Most computers can't read microSD without help by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Just slide a microSD adapter into the all-in-one card reader. If anyone asks why you have it, it’s “just in case” — the all-in-one card reader wouldn’t read microSD without it.

      --
      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
  45. Re:Coins? by adonoman · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I don't remember the last time I used real coins. I carry a grocery-store branded "quarter" in my car to unlock grocery carts. I use cash to buy coffee, since I buy from a micro-roaster who isn't big enough to bother with accepting plastic, but he prices things so that it's an even $10/lb, so I never have change from that. For just about everything else, I use a credit card (or debit). I pay for our parking meters via cell-phone, and I don't use vending machines (partially due to the fact that I never have change on me). To pay friends for things, I usually just round up or pay with a cheque.

    The advantages are having a much lighter wallet. I'm not worried about losing a lot of cash if I ever get mugged, or more likely forget my wallet somewhere. My credit card gives me 1.5% cash back on every purchase I make, plus all the other benefits of using a credit card (warranty, contesting charges, insurance, etc..).

  46. Most Expensive Soda I ever bought... by lionchild · · Score: 1

    Gee, imagine using that hollow coin with your client project on it that you accidently use to buy your celebration soda from the local vending machine with.

    Hollow coin is the sort of idea that appeals to the geek. But, the practicality just doesn't seem nearly as useful as we perhaps wish it were.

    --
    Awk! Pieces of eight. Pieces of eight. Pieces of seven... ERROR: General Protection Fault. [Paroty Error.]
  47. Not IT, Not News by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    Hollow coins have been used for a very, very long time.

    The only thing that makes this IT is that nerd sites are selling it and, omg, a microSD can fit inside one *WOW*

    The only thing that makes this news is that its an advertisement, and news has to get revenue from somewhere amirite?

    Yawn, lawn, clods, etc.

  48. As used in Les Miserables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the book, not the musical. It's how Valjean escapes from Thenardier.

  49. Smuggling other stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much blow can I smuggle through an airport with a pocket full of these?

  50. Great news! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Now I no longer need to smuggle these chips in to and out of the assignments where I'm doing industrial espionage by hiding them in my, er, "nether regions"! (Those things have really sharp corners!)

    In all seriousness, who believes this will have any impact whatsoever on the smuggling of data?

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  51. Fire the rocksucking Microsofters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fire the rocksucking Microsofters first. Talk about ethics and slashvertisements, we have every third article being some kind of slashvertisement for His Billness. Taco even invited His Billness to dinner. When you end up like that, you no longer have a tech site, just a fucking ad feed for Microsofters. kdawson is one of the last decent staff left there.

  52. Limited usage cases by LaminatorX · · Score: 1

    Is there a high-security facility that would both...

    1. prohibit ingress of cell phones
    2. have micro SD readers accessible within the perimeter?

    If not, you're still going to need to smuggle a reader in, at which point you may as well smuggle a keychain drive or a full-size SD card with a flip-out USB port.

    Phones are a much better infiltration vector, especially if you can bring the USB "charging" cable with it, or if a careless/thoughtless addition of a Bluetooth keyboard or mouse inadvertently enabled Bluetooth file transfers.

    Personal devices (phones, memory cards) with built in wifi are a potential leak vector as well, depending on the facility. Depending on window placement, nearby parked car with a laptop in the trunk hooked to an outboard antenna in the cars back window could receive data transfers from a phone or SD card within the perimeter. (Name the network after a nearby neighbor/business and who would question its presence?) The transmitting phone/card could then be scrubbed of contra-band data in case of inspection at egress.

  53. Goatse, is that you? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Where have you been man?

    --

    MMO Quests are like orgasms:

    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

    1. Re:Goatse, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Mr. Goatse could transport an entire Netbook.

  54. Wrong applications by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    People are thinking of the wrong applications when they're dismissing these coins. Forget airports or building security where you're just one of many and are likely to only be subject to cursory inspection, think more in terms of something like where you have taken pictures at a protest and, if spotted, you are likely to be individually searched (including turning out your pockets) and have your devices erased.

    Having a micro SD card not look like a micro SD card could be key in such a situation.

  55. Heh--I did that without even meaning to! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My puppy linux distro is on the SECOND partition of my microSD card so that when I need to give someone a file they don't f**k up the distro by accidentally deleting things.
    XP and OSX don't even see the second partition, and if they did, they (at least generic XP) would have trouble mounting the ext2 fs.
    Dunno about the newer windows.

    Truecrypt, hidden part, yadda yadda, in the FIRST partition (more misdirection!)--but the only thing I really have "hidden" in there is my tax returns.
    I prepare them in the evening when I'm working away from home, 'cause I'm damned sure not going to do paperwork when I could be hanging out with my wife!

    If only I had some really cool spy sh|t, man--I've got a great place to hide it.

  56. What you need by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    This is kind of cool, but what you need is a voice recorder, battery, _and_ a micro SD card inside a coin that can be read through bluetooth without opening it. It would have to be induction chargeable (or charge itself with kinetic energy).

    Then, and only then, would it be worthy of Slashdot...

    Onto the halfbakery ...

    1. Re:What you need by cowtamer · · Score: 1
  57. Purloined letter by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

    The trouble with these sorts of devices is that they scream "secret data here!". I'd be real curious how those nickels look on an airport X-ray machine.

    If I wanted to sneak information around, I'd put it on hidden directory is an SD card full of tourist photos and I'd leave it sitting in my camera. Ideally, I'd want it in a file that would get deleted during the camera's "delete photo" operation. (Probably take some camera research to figure out the best device. Depending on the goal, it could be placed in the photodata directly.) With appropriate social engineering, one might even be able to get the bad guys to order you to delete it if things go pear shaped.

    --
    The cake is a pie
  58. Inflation... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Citizens of any country with huge inflation very soon find their coins utterly useless.

    It is easier to print zeros on paper.

    --
    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  59. One problem with this device by KharmaWidow · · Score: 1

    If someone were to raid your desk or home, they'd probably take the change too. Oops

  60. Destruction of Currency? by DeadboltX · · Score: 1

    Is this legal? Are these made from real nickels? Wouldn't this count as defacing currency?

  61. The Latex Glove by westlake · · Score: 1

    Considering how laptops have become fair game for involuntary search and seizure at US borders, I think putting your 'important stuff' on a microSD card inside a hollow coin is probably a good idea.

    It's a brain-dead stupid idea.

    The border guard has a gallows sense of humor.

    If some mischance, your Johnson Smith spy tech toy is discovered, you had better be prepared for what comes next.

  62. Russian doll american currency? by EventHorizon_pc · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else just think about getting a hollowed out penny, quarter, and half dollar and putting a dime inside the penny inside the quarter inside the half dollar?

  63. magicians use trick coins, not spy coins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have thought that magicians would use magic coins or trick coins....but not spy coins.