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Opera Sees "Dramatic" Rise From Microsoft's Ballot
TheReal_sabret00the notes a TechRadar piece reporting that Opera Software has seen a doubling from normal download numbers on average since Microsoft's browser-choice screen lit up in Europe. The UK saw an 85% increase and for other countries it was larger still: Poland 328%, Spain 215%, and Italy 202%. Hakon Wium Lie, CTO of Opera Software, said "A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse."
Now get back to your rightful place as the weird browser that nobody I know takes seriously.
They used to have 4 users, now that have 10. That's one dramatic rise.
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"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse"
Oh, no, they won't. I can assure you that the majority of webmasters test their sites in IE and some of them in Firefox (definitely not all of them). The rest of the browser are either assumed to be compatible with IE or Firefox or be rendered irrelevant.
Could someone explain when this ballot actually comes up? is it only for new installs of Windows or at some later moment, too? I already use Opera so it wouldnt make any difference to me but at least during the odd times I had to use IE for something it didn't ask me anything.
Better than the rest of the choices, but largely unknown. Tiny install and just as small a target for malware. And the stuff they are adding with unite and native widgets only makes it better. But lets try to keep it secret like Usenet so the malware authors keep attacking you idiots that use IE and firefox.
Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive. Thanks Opera!.
Please help publicise swpat.org - the software patents wiki
These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well. Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen.
However, still nice to see people trying something different.
Presumably it will also raise web development testing costs in the short term, as organisations feel less happy to test "just on the big three" but might not be any happier to assume that browsers all produce the same output than they are today? The long-term outlook might be more standards compliant pages, but the short term outlook might well be "Panic!"
I'm pretty sure this is only because Opera is based in Norway. Now that they see the choice, of course they'll pick Opera. Hey, Opera is made in Europe, so why not use that?
The same could be said for only a single browser existing.
What a multitude of browsers do, is promote progress and innovation. Now _that_ we surely do want.
I doubt it. Testing in IE takes longer than in all other major browsers (Firefox, Safari, Opera, and Chrome) combined. Besides IE, all major browsers are reasonably standards compliant. IE is the only browser with enough market share to make it the developers problem if they aren't standards compliant. Only really crappy developers will have any major issues and lets face it - they deserve it.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
it's nice for opera but as a long time opera user i think they should improve pretty quickly their 10.50 desktop browser. it has more bugs compared to the far more stable 10.10
When will Opera go after Nintendo for only allowing one "3rd-party" browser on the Wii?
Hopefully, this will signal the end of the monopoly of the proprietary, non-standards compliant browsers like ie enjoyed for many years and force everybody to comply with reasonable standards. At the beginning of the internet, being non-standards compliant seemed ok at first, but now we are wiser and non-compliant browsers are looked down upon, instead of being a skewed standard.
Why do some websites look okay? Because I, the actual engineer on the project use Opera.. and therefore I make sure the page looks alright. We're tasked with supporting FireFox, IE 7, we force compatibility mode in 8 because of third party controls that we use and can't influence.
I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product. Perhaps Opera and every browser should be required to have a popup ballot that appears the first time you open the browser telling you about all of the other browsers you could be using. Let's start the insanity...
...this ballot screen and don't want to. Thank god we block this "important" update via WSUS!
And to get multiple Firefox versions you have to do a bit of user profile dickery
Or you use the "portable" versions, designed to be installed to removable media, that do this dickery for you.
As long as we're spreading the Opera love...
I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop. However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town.
http://m.opera.com/
The interface is quite fast, even on my crappy old Samsung. Difficult to believe it's a Java midp, given the responsiveness with which you can scroll around the page, zoom in/out, and slide back. It's much better than the built-in browsers that I've used on Samsung, Blackberry, older Palm devices, etc. and I even use it sometimes on my wife's Android phone. And it has some sort of bookmark sync thing tied to your account.
Anyway, if it wasn't for opera mini, I wouldn't have been able to get by with my dumb phone on a cheap wap plan for so long. Also with my Blackberry and Palm it allowed me to hit some javascript-heavy pages when I didn't have access to a computer (airline check-ins, etc.) and the built-in browsers just wouldn't hack it. So it's an essential piece to have on your mobile device.
Downsides:
* sometimes I lose my bookmarks, I think when I exit out of it too fast and my device kills java before it's finished cleaning up.
* My phone puts java apps in a really annoying place without a quick shortcut to it (Tools | My Files | Games).
* It disables my phone's standby for some reason.
* Opera Mini 5 beta doesn't work, but Opera Mini 4 works great. YMMV
* java nags to grant the app network access every time I launch a new session.
But it's awesome enough that I put up with those inconveniences to use it :P
So they went from 100 downloads in Italy to 202?
Goes to show that Microsoft IE has a large market share not because it is a great product, but because it locking competitors out.
I'm not a fan of IE or anything but I still find it a little strange that Microsoft is being required to "promote the competition" in their own product.
Windows is Microsoft's own product, which holds market power over home PC operating systems. The browser ballot is Microsoft's way of avoiding the appearance of anticompetitive tying to EU regulators.
Because if only Opera is seeing an increase due to this, it seems likely it is either because people like the name or people like the icon better. Not liking either of those options if true.
Right now, you're still lucky if they test on IE 6-8, Firefox 2-3 and Safari 2-4... I'd guess 90% of web developers don't even do that, and that's what I (personally) consider the bare minimum.
I count that as eight different platforms (assuming we only count integer-valued version numbers). How many desktop OSes are in use, discounting those used by less than 0.1% of the market? Windows, OS X, Linux, iPhone OS, and uhm... yeah?
So when you think about creating an application and you worry about porting it between different clients, the decision "let's make it a web app! We'll have to test fewer platforms" runs counter to your purpose, right? In other words: people have turned the web into something it wasn't meant to be---a portability nightmare.
Yeah, writing desktop apps exposes you to differences between OSes. Okay, but all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forth: they do the same things but in slightly different ways. Wrap the differences in libportability and get over it.
Maybe my attitude betrays my lack of coffee, but isn't it basically right? You don't have worse portability for desktop applications than you do for web applications.
Opera was the first browser to implement mouse gestures. I only switched to FF, when a mouse gestures plugin was made for it.
Opera has always been the low-resource browser. Are there any Free browsers that run well in 64 MB of RAM and no swap, ready for a port to the WiiBrew environment? Fennec for Nokia N810 requires twice that much.
... why anybody thinks the browser ballet was a good idea in regards to what such a move will mean in the long-term. The *only* reason most people are happy about it is because we hate IE - the only reason we care is because this is specifically about the browsers. Why doesn't Mac OSX have to offer a screen for firefox or chrome instead of defaulting to safari? Why are linux distros allowed to bundle firefox? Why has this only happened for browsers, and not text editors/word processors, etc?
I "like" the idea of browser ballet in so far as that some IE usage will drop. However, I don't like the idea that government bodies are starting to dictate how a company should handle their software. It sets a dangerous precedent - this is like Apple hand-picking which apps are allowed in the app store, except on a much bigger scale - the EU hand-picking what software can be included on an operating system install. It's ridiculous.
But how many of them users are actually aware of what a browser is and what implications their choice has? Loads of people us the Internet daily, but if you were to ask them (the none techy ones) what browser they use, most of them wouldn't know or would say 'Windows'. Its folly to go forcing this screen on an audience that doesn't understand it.
"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse" -- because there isn't a multitude of browsers now? And I suppose because all standards are so thoroughly written there is no room for interpretive error?
This could never possibly make the web less usable because all code will function perfectly on the upcoming multitude of 10% market share browsers, the days when sites need to be checked basically on three or four browsers (ie, ff, opera, safari) are will be gone.
Thank goodness.
Okay, let me give you the reality of web development. You build it on firefox because it is simply the fucking best development browser. Then you give a brief test to Chrome/Opera, both of which have high quality dev environments as well (but firebug is just in a class of its own) and are typically fairly easy to debug. If you followed standards, then I rarely run into problems. Then, if you got a Mac, you test Safari. No problem there either usually.
And then, having spend 1% of you project time so far, you go to IE. IE6, IE7, IE8. All three are different.
And where real human beings upgrade their real browsers, the degenerates that use IE never ever upgrade but expect everything to work perfectly on decade old software.
Oh and guess which browser is the least likely to work EVEN if you follow its own "standards"? And then there are the version differences...
So no. Opera doesn't add any significant amount of testing. All of the 4 big other browsers (Firefox/Chrome/Safari/Opera) put together don't take a fraction of the time to debug that IE does.
Why do you think web developers celebrated when Google recently decided that IE6 was no longer going to be directly supported?
If Google were to put IE on a complete ban, then they could officially for ever change their motto to "do good".
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".
Hah, that made me laugh. As much as it pains me to say it, Microsoft Windows standardized the desktop, and Internet Explorer the Web. Sure, the quality of that 'standard' was terrible, but at least it was a standard.
Every week I see cool new features demonstrated. But they're all tied to disclaimers such as Demo works best in Safari 4.x and pretty well in Firefox 3.5. and use css properties like "-webkit-text-stroke". That is the opposite of a standard.
I hope browser diversity will pull IE kicking and screaming into HTML5, but I certainly don't expect standardization!
Misleading titles? Inflammatory blurbs? Keep in mind that Slashdot is a tabloid.
Since Opera is the only commercial browser from the alternatives, it has the most to gain/lose by this battle.
Apple doesn't give a shit about Safari downloads and Google just wants people to use a modern browser, any browser as long as it isn't IE. And firefox, in europe which is the area we are talking about, is already pretty big. If FF doubled their downloads, there would be no more IE.
Aaah... that is a nice thought.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
When checking statistics (http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-weekly-200827-201011) I can not se that people are choosing different browser because of this ballot. Probably it is only causing that everybody is reinstalling whatever browser they have choosen.
Note to self: Make a sig
The buyers in this case are OEMs like Dell, HP, and Asus. They can't buy OS X to preinstall on their machines, so it is not part of the market when the courts examine how much power Microsoft has over them.
But they can buy a desktop GNU/Linux distribution such as Ubuntu or Fedora, which have a "Wine" toolkit that can run many applications designed for Windows. In fact, Dell sells a few token Linux boxes in some markets. How does Linux fail to break Microsoft's market power?
How would offering a secure repository get them into antitrust problems?
If Microsoft had implemented an exclusive secure repository, much like Apple's exclusive secure repository for iPod Touch, iPhone, and iPad apps and Microsoft's exclusive secure repository for Xbox 360 games, that might have got Microsoft in trouble.
Yes, now Opera has grand total of around 400 or 500 users total, as opposed to the 6 people who actually used it before MS was forced to advertise them.
Persistent Volume manager for Kubernetes - https://github.com/dwimsey/openshift-pvmanager
"A multitude of browsers will make the web more standardised and easier to browse".
If we all used a single browser, even if it is a broken POS, the web would be more "standardised" and developers would know exactly what everything has to work in. Instead of testing 3+ browsers, just make it work on the only one around.
...but I do like a challenge!
I think an unstated implicit goal of the W3C standard was to make it as incompatible with IE as possible. The problem these days with many standardization efforts is that the members want to invent new stuff rather than play their traditional role of codifying existing practice.
"I've tried but never really have gotten into Opera on the desktop. However on mobile devices -- dumbphones and smartphones and PDAs -- it's pretty much the only game in town." - by rwa2 (4391) * on Friday March 19, @09:10AM (#31536546) Homepage
Well, then I'd have to say in response to that quote of yours above "Get on it man!", because you'll probably LOVE it...
(That is, IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, is Opera 10.5.3315 (per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"... Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"Opera Software did great work lobbying against software patents in the campaigns on the EU software patents directive. Thanks Opera!." - by H4x0r Jim Duggan (757476) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535908) Homepage
Opera CONSISTENTLY does great @ getting users the BEST SPEED and THE BEST SECURITY RATING (vs. known vulnerabilities) over time also... So, I agree, & say "Thanks Opera" for being consistently the FASTEST & SAFEST WEBBROWSER PROGRAM THERE IS, CONSISTENTLY OVER TIME, Bar-none!
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"These numbers don't mean too much, because at the time the ballot screen was introduced Opera introduced a new version of their browser as well. Probably at least part of the increase is caused by this new version, and not by the ballot screen." - by TSchut (1314115) on Friday March 19, @08:40AM (#31535912)
Per my subject-line above then? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED & SECURITY??
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"I'd certainly recommend trying it again - Opera has been continually improved, and it's not really fair to judge it today based on a five year old version." - by mdwh2 (535323)
on Friday March 19, @09:17AM (#31536688)
Per my subject-line above then? I agree, 110%... why?
Well - How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED & SECURITY?? It's actually quite fair to judge Opera on those areas, especially IF you check the URL's below that have tested Opera in benchmarks for speed (Security ratings are below too):
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"How many of those Polish potentially swayed by the "Opera Turbo technology - speed up your Internet connection" are actually going to -stick to- using Opera, rather than going back to IE or using another browser they might have downloaded through that same choice screen?" - by Animaether (411575) on Friday March 19, @09:06AM (#31536478)
You're speaking to one now - Polish-American here, & here are the reasons WHY I stick to Opera (& have since I discovered it ages ago around version 4.x):
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"You must be lonely, or only know idiots. Opera has been at the forefront of web technologies and open standards for years. PS. Check market share in Russia." - by Anonymous Coward
on Friday March 19, @08:41AM (#31535938)
Great point, so... how about a couple more (important areas - like SPEED & SECURITY)? Ok, here we go:
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"It's a Big Red O! There's no stopping the Big Red O once it gets rolling." - by residieu (577863) on Friday March 19, @09:11AM (#31536574)
Per my subject-line above then & what I quoted from you? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED & SECURITY (not just "the future" either as you stated, but also consistently GREAT showings in the past, for BOTH better SPEED online AND SECURITY TOO)??
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
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Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
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"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"Opera must be doing something right, that all the other browsers are missing." - by Runaway1956 (1322357) on Friday March 19, @09:27AM (#31536984) Homepage
They surely are: ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF BETTER ONLINE SPEED and SECURITY (consistently over time no less - see the url's below for verification no less):
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
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SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
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Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
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FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"We code for, and test against, IE 6+, FireFox 2+, Safari 3+, Chrome 4+ and Opera 9+. And it sucks. With all the supposedly intelligent and future thinking people pushing the Internet forward, I am stunned at their inability to comply with W3C standards. Yeah, yeah, W3C documents are the 'drying paint' of the internet, but they are what all browser developers are supposed to be aiming for. I think they all need new glasses. - by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Friday March 19, @08:55AM (#31536242)
Per my subject-line above then? How about THESE #'s, over time, in the areas of BOTH SPEED & SECURITY?? You spoke of needing glasses??? Take a read, about SECURITY & SPEED (because perhaps you've been drinking from the wrong glass my man, in regards to your statement (I interpreted it as "Opera sucks" actually), & perhaps you omitted reading these (or, you need diff. reading glasses):
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more)... plus, features Opera has, other webbrowsers COPIED (tabbed browsing anyone?), like mad!
"Imitation IS the sincerest form of FLATTERY"... period!
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
"I've been using Opera for ages. For a long time, it was really the only choice for power users. Every other browser would crash or slow to a crawl when you had more than a few dozen pages open. Back in my Pentium II 200MHz days, I needed 200 pages open to inconvenience Opera." - by by mcvos (645701) on Friday March 19, @09:33AM (#31537132)
Agreed, & same here: I've been using Opera since, oh, Versio 4.x & I love it... here are the reasons why (BETTER SPEED & SECURITY mainly)!
(Also - with a small correction for you to note & see, @ the bottom though):
IF you love speed online (fastest renderer around for webpage data AND scripting too, both YEARS ago -> http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html#win , and last year too -> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49302491,00.htm , is Opera 10.5.3315 (AND, also per the SunSpider benchmarks recently done this month no less, passing FireFox AND EVEN GOOGLE CHROME yet again -> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/gallery/features/356350/on-test-the-hidden-seven-browsers-in-the-windows-ballot/145087 (which Opera USUALLY owns javascript processing speeds too, but FF passed them BRIEFLY earlier this year is all, for once, in that area)) AND if you love security too!)
====
SECUNIA WEB BROWSER PROGRAM SECURITY STATS AS OF THIS DATE:
====
Opera 10.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/26745/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 5 Secunia advisories)
----
FireFox 3.6x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/28698/
Unpatched 0% (0 of 1 Secunia advisories - FIREFOX does make a good showing here too though... but, they've consistently over time had more than Opera, & more left unpatched too + for longer usually)
----
Internet Explorer 8.x:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/21625/
Unpatched 44% (4 of 9 Secunia advisories)
====
"Read 'em & weep"...
Opera's CONSISTENTLY free of security vulnerabilities too, year-in & year-out... (or, moreso typically than the other 2 of the "big 3", that is) - and features?
Opera's got features most browsers need "bolted on" addons for, except Opera has them natively (as well as having a widgets addons set for it as well, IF you need that kind of thing (I really do not, it comes with all the features I like such as popup blocking, script blocks or accepts BY SITE (via its various .ini files it has) too & more, far more)... plus, features Opera has, other webbrowsers COPIED (tabbed browsing anyone?), like mad!
"Imitation IS the sincerest form of FLATTERY"... period!
----
"It's still one of the browsers with the smallest memory footprint, although it's not leading by as much as it used to." - by by mcvos (645701) on Friday March 19, @09:33AM (#31537132)
Well, on this note? I have to 'burst your bubble', because according to that last URL on speed above (sunspider javascript tests etc.)? Opera's got a LARGE memory footprint now (but, the more you stay in RAM, the faster you go, period... far faster than diskbound accesses, as I am sure you are aware of) - this was just some "FYI" for you is all (believe you me, I am the LAST GUY that will ever "cut down" Opera, & because of its strengths in online speed, and security too).
APK
P.S.=> So, in the end? For better SPEED online (both HTML/XHTML/XML + javascript processing) AND BETTER OVERALL SECURITY ONLINE? Go Opera... apk
I fucking hate your writing style, and here’s why.
It looks like fucking ASCII art. That’s for starters.
Second, you generate a million short, discombobulated broken fragments of paragraphs. It feels like a god damn traffic jam trying to read your walls of text because it doesn’t flow smoothly. It moves in little jerks. Some of them are boldface, which just makes them stronger little jerks. The nested parentheses just make it worse.
Another thing... I don’t want to be picking out the fucking URLs from your comment. They make it a pain in the ass to read. If I want to see the URL you linked to, I’ll hover over the link. The URLs break the flow of the thought. Learn to put an easy-to-follow description instead of the whole fucking URL in the link. Your traffic-jam posts are bad enough without links blaring at me like the air horn of a semi-tractor trailer for no fucking reason.
Finally... why the hell don’t you just get an account, nimwit? If you insist on namefagging, at least do it right. Slashdot has this process called “registration”. It makes it so you don’t have to put your name at the bottom of every fucking post, and you can put it in your sig instead where I can hide it if it annoys me.
P.S. I’m not even going to read your reply. I hate reading your posts. It’s like poking myself in the eye with a Phillips-head screwdriver.
See subject-line above, and learn to read, as well as learning to stay on topic, you dyslexic fool. I read his reply and found it quite informative.
all OSes have files, can count time, probably can make you some random numbers, TCP sockets and so forth
You gloss over GUI toolkit differences in "and so forth".
Wrap the differences in libportability
What's the difference between wrapping the differences in libportability written in C vs. wrapping the differences in libportability written in JavaScript? You might as well go for the web because it allows deploying and updating with zero effort, even to PCs whose owner lets the user browse the web but doesn't let the user install software.
The superior portability of web apps is not because there are less browsers but because they all adhere to a common standard, unlike operating systems. You can't run a Linux binary natively on Windows, and vice versa.
You can run a Windows binary natively on Linux/x86 because Wine is not an emulator. It's a PE loader and a reimplementation of the Windows API, just as NT is a reimplementation of the original Windows 3.x API.
browsers, which are essentially all mutually compatible middleware.
Except IE isn't very compatible with IE. As I understand it, the difference between IE 6 and, say, Chrome is at least as big as the difference between Windows 9x and Windows Vista.
Spatial navigation! No other browser has that. You can use shift+arrow keys to navigate through the links. Simple, but a big reason for me not to change to firefox. I even endured a period of incredible instability on the linux version couple of years ago - the recent versions have been rock-solid.
No, you are.
Now go back to the office and sulk behind a closed door, Mr. Ballmer.
I didn’t say his reply wasn’t informative. I said his writing style fucking sucks, and if I was a teacher and a student tried to hand me a steaming pile of shit like that I’d fail it.
First of all, you're off topic. You fail there alone. You also seem to feel that your opinion is the only 1 of import to anyone reading. There again you are wrong. End of subject.