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Hollywood's Growing Obsession With Philip K. Dick

bowman9991 writes "Even after Blade Runner, A Scanner Darkly, Total Recall, Minority Report, Paycheck, Impostor, and Next, it appears Hollywood's lust for movies based on Philip K. Dick material continues. The Adjustment Bureau, starring Matt Damon, Emily Blunt, and Terence Stamp, is the latest, and features some classic Dick themes, including the fragile nature of reality and a fight against a world controlled and manipulated by powerful unseen entities. When Congressman David Norris meets the love of his life after a political defeat, he must peel back the layers of reality to discover why a mysterious group is so desperate to make sure they never meet again. He is up against the agents of fate itself — the men of The Adjustment Bureau. The Adjustment Bureau adaptation follows news that Terry Gilliam will adapt Dick's novel The World Jones Made, that Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said and Ubik are being adapted, and that a remake of Total Recall is being developed by the ironically named Original Films Studio."

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  1. A Few More and Some Musings by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    According to the author's Trust's site, you're missing a few:

    "Time Out of Joint" Purchased by Warner Bros.

    "Valis", "Radio Free Albemuth", and "Flow My Tears the Policeman Said" Purchased by independent producer John Alan Simon

    properties under option: "Adjustment Team" - Short Story, "Ubik" - Novel, "King of the Elves - Short Story

    After reading more than a few of PKD's books and short stories really I'm surprised that Hollywood isn't more obsessed with PKD than they are now. In my opinion, the Science Fiction genre is tired and overdone in very predictable ways. PKD's works are often further out there. I realize that A Scanner Darkly was probably not the most well received movie but I would predict that Dick's use of a sort of confusion/resolution while tackling the standard moral/ethical dilemmas that are the hallmark of SciFi would be an easy option to keep movies "fresh." Of course, I've been wondering the same thing about Stanislaw Lem for quite some time. Aside from Solaris he seems to be relegated to fringe movies like Ari Folman's adaptation of Lem's The Futurological Congress .

    Recently I finished Chuck Palahniuk's Rant and went searching online for more details as I was generally confused about who was a Historian and who was not at the end of the novel. What I found was that he's making it into a trilogy and that the rights to his books as movies are generally bought right after he finishes a book. He says:

    We’ve had a bunch of negotiations for Rant. It’s going to be the first of three books on the same sort of theme and the movie production people want to see at least outlines on the next two books in the series because nobody wants to buy the rights of the first of three and not be able to control the rights to the second and third books. So I really have to sell Rant as a three-book package. So once I’m able to present those people with a product outline for the next two books, then we’ll sell.

    So I'm guessing that Fight Club was such a huge money maker and gained mainstream respect that some of his more gritty novels are now premium movie material? Or perhaps he's not too picky on the size of the sum when his story is about to made into a movie?

    There's not a lot of data out there on how much these rights sell for I guess so you can't say whether or not PKD's Trust is just underrating them as pulp scifi and selling them low cost. Combine that possibility with the fact that he's had some huge movies come from his books and I think Hollywood is finally beginning to understand. With Dick you finally have the technology to represent his dreams on screen along with a dearth of stories along with a public tired of your predictable plots along with the possibility that PKD's trust wants PKD to be appreciated on the silver screen. Lord knows that if I was a member of PKD's family I would love to see the young people of today enjoy his works as much as the young people of yesterday did.

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    1. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Plunky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      According to the author's Trust's site, you're missing a few:

      So basically, Dick is dead and can't object, and the Trust is monetising his heritage while they still can because the clock is ticking..

    2. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

      Basically, if you only know the stuff that's been made into movies, then you don't know Dick.

    3. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're giving Hollywood way too much credit for caring about the artistic merits of their work. The simple fact is someone made money off a movie based on one of Dick's books, so now everyone that wants a movie made knows if they can say it's based on his work they're much more likely to get funded. The people who bankroll movies love to minimize risk, and at this point Philip K. Dick is a proven winner. What's likely to happen is a string of mediocre to awful films based on his work until the whole thing peters out and filmmakers find some other property they can make several movies from. It's not a coincidence that multiple movies based on a certain type or genre or author tend to come out within a couple of years of each other...it's just filmmakers knowing what's hot at the moment and getting on the gravy train while they can.

    4. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by lyinhart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So basically, Dick is dead and can't object, and the Trust is monetising his heritage while they still can because the clock is ticking..

      Considering that old franchises like The Lord of the Rings and even Sherlock Holmes are still making money for their rights holders thanks to copyright extensions, that would be a slow ticking clock.

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    5. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So basically, Dick is dead and can't object, and the Trust is monetising his heritage while they still can because the clock is ticking..

      But that clock will never run out. You can bet mickey mouse will ensure leeches like the PKD Trust get to make money off the author's back forever. They'll just complain here and there about minor things, and that'll be what they claim is their creativite input. Dick died in 1982, that's almost a third of a century ago, most of his works are from the 60s and 70s. He obviously isn't going to be creating more works, why the need to keep his works locked up with copyright? Copyright is clearly a tool for corporations.

    6. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Stopped reading at "classic Dick themes" but I'm pretty sure this article is for perverts..

    7. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      So basically, Dick is dead and can't object, and the Trust is monetising his heritage while they still can because the clock is ticking..

      PKD may be dead but the meme lives on

    8. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by j-stroy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you insinuating that I'm a "Dick" head?

    9. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by mcvos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Considering that old franchises like The Lord of the Rings and even Sherlock Holmes are still making money for their rights holders thanks to copyright extensions,

      Sherlock Holmes? Wasn't he pre-Disney?

    10. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I would seriously like them to try and film Valis. You'd need someone like Terry Gilliam for a mindfuck of that proportion.

    11. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by mdm-adph · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, we here at /. were into Dick before he sold out, and only like, 30 people or something had read his books.

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    12. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Plunky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering that old franchises like The Lord of the Rings and even Sherlock Holmes are still making money for their rights holders thanks to copyright extensions, that would be a slow ticking clock.

      J.R.R.Tolkien died in 1973 so thats just over halfway into the post-death years of life+70, but Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930 and his works are available at Project Gutenberg now. Philip K Dick died 28 years ago (1982) and he was never as popular as either of them, and is unlikely to get more popular as time goes by. Even 'Blade Runner' is rarely known as anything but a Ridley Scott or Harrison Ford film and that is probably the most well known derivation.

    13. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, *most* of the Sherlock stories are public domain. But thanks to bizzare copyrighting, the characters are still under protection. Web, weave, tangled.

    14. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup... The same thing happened with Michael Crichton in the 90's... Jurrasic Park, Lost World (Although that was REALLY different from the book), Sphere, Congo, Rising Sun and Disclosure... It sort of extended into the 2000's with 2003's Timeline.

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    15. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Informative

      His adventures are available from Project Gutenberg, so I would assume they are safely in the Public Domain by now.

    16. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died in 1930. Copyright extends crazily 70 years after the death of the author. That means that Sherlock Holmes entered public domain in 2000. Walt Disney died in 1966. Though some of his work were made before the last Sherlock Holmes stories, none of these will become public domain before 2036. Yeah. 2036. At this date, the cartoon that inspired Turing's suicide in 1954 (Snow White) will finally be considered part of history.

      Realize that there may be a human settlement on the moon before the cartoons broadcasted before WWII will be public domain.

      Realize that we only put a ridiculous proportion of these on digital form and that 99% of them are decaying in analog form. Consider how much cultural heritage is lost for the profit of so few people.

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    17. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Minwee · · Score: 1

      Basically, if you only know the stuff that's been made into movies, then you don't know Dick.

      But if you have read everything he wrote then you're a Dick-head.

    18. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by poena.dare · · Score: 1

      I'm also surprised Hollywood hasn't latched onto John Brunner, too.

    19. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Golddess · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by proxima · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sherlock Holmes? Wasn't he pre-Disney?

      Much of Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain. Not all of the stories are, though (the exception being the latest work from the 1920s). The relevant rule appears to be creation +95 years, which in this case protects longer than death of the author +70 years.

      Complicating matters is trademark law. While you can certainly distribute the text of old Sherlock Holmes stories (and Project Gutenberg does), what protections do the trademarks provide with regard to adaptations and the creations of derivative works with the same characters?

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    21. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by radtea · · Score: 1

      I'm also surprised Hollywood hasn't latched onto John Brunner, too.

      Eh, how much mileage can you get from endless variations of "a bunch of stuff happens and then for no readily discernible reason everybody dies", which is what I remember Brunner's books all being like. Maybe I just got a bad initial selection, but after reading three whose plot could be summarized pretty much that way I stopped.

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    22. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Intron · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying he died in 1982, then he sold out on all those movies that were done later? Come to think of it, that sounds like a Philip K. Dick idea.

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    23. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah. 2036. At this date, the cartoon that inspired Turing's suicide in 1954 (Snow White) will finally be considered part of history.

      You think so? You *really* think so? 'Cause I don't. Disney will get yet another extension. The Mouse will never be public domain.

    24. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by idontgno · · Score: 1

      And if you've read nothing he wrote than you're just Dick-less.

      It's amazing how off-topic we can be and still be perfectly on-topic.

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    25. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PKD is good, but seriously overrated. Much of his pulp work is the same story, using a different technology to make unreality.

    26. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by chromas · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what you're saying is that Disney made Turing complete?

    27. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by zoomshorts · · Score: 0, Insightful

      EX POST FACTO ,that little nigger called Sonny Bono had NO idea about the law, and neither did his
      contemporaries. Niggers All!! Take that positive karma !!!!!!!

    28. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Stopped reading at "classic Dick themes" but I'm pretty sure this article is for perverts..

      Well... it's for Dick-lovers, anyway.

    29. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically, Dick is dead

      Long live the Dick!

    30. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Good thing that wave burned itself out before somebody thought to do "State of Fear"

    31. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by merigold77 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shakespeare got a lot of mileage out of variations on 'a bunch of stuff happens... then... everybody dies' - so I'm not sure what your objection is.

      I've read most of Brunner's work. Someone survives in nearly all of them though, so probably not the same ones radtea read :)

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    32. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by rpresser · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see an attempt at The Divine Invasion, solely for the religious clusterfuck that would ensue in the media.

    33. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Latinhypercube · · Score: 0

      Case in point... Paycheck and Next. God awful Hollywood tripe.

    34. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      I haven't read Valis, but I don't see Ubik as particularly film-able either. Guess people said that about "Watchmen" though, and other than the changed ending, I thought it did a good job capturing the book, minus some depth.

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    35. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by poena.dare · · Score: 1

      maybe. ah it's more evil corps and social change. I just wiki'd The Sheep Look Up and I think I answered my own question...

      Despite being nominated for a Nebula Award, the book fell out of print, only later being republished. The new edition contains a foreword by David Brin and an afterword by environmentalist and social change theorist James John Bell. Brin places the book in the context of Brunner's time and other writings. In the afterword, Bell treats the book almost as prophecy, drawing parallels between events in the book and subsequent real world developments: "His words have a kind of Gnostic power embedded in them that gives his characters passage into our world". A couple of specific examples are that "Brunner's puppet of a president, affectionately called Prexy, is a dead ringer for our Dubya" and that sabotage done by the Earth Liberation Front is pulled directly from the pages of the novel. Writer William Gibson made a similar remark in a 2007 interview: No one except possibly the late John Brunner, in his brilliant novel "The Sheep Look Up," has ever described anything in science fiction that is remotely like the reality of 2007 as we know it.

      Yah, why the hell would Hollywood want to make a movie about 2007?

      But back in 75 when I read it - it kinda blew my mind. Oh well...

    36. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by drkim · · Score: 1

      Ubik wouldn't be much harder than "6th Sense" but with cooler effects.

    37. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by speardane · · Score: 1

      Presumably "Man in a high Castle" is a little too close to the reality of where the media cartels (**AA + ACTA) are taking us?

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    38. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Heh, I don't really think so. I think that within ten years, common sense will prevail. The Pirate Party is almost 9% strong in Sweden and growing in many countries. The days of unlimited copyrights come to an end.

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    39. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by treeves · · Score: 1

      ..and Horselover Fat lovers.

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    40. Re:A Few More and Some Musings by sjinsjca · · Score: 1

      "Copyright is clearly a tool for corporations."

      ...In this case, Copyright is clearly a tool for families.

      You might think differently about copyright if you had an illustrious parent whose prescient and haunting work wasn't worth squat in his lifetime but, now that it's hair-raisingly plausible, is today.

      In this age of gimme-gimme something-for-nothing, thank G-d there's still something called "intellectual property." It'll go away soon, though, now that folks have learned they can vote themselves a license to other people's stuff.

  2. Hollywood's growing obsession with dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Slashdot's gotten NSFW.

    1. Re:Hollywood's growing obsession with dick by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      About as NSFW as it has always been.

      But I can see that the obsession is a bit too heavy - there are a lot of other authors that they can take on too; Jack Vance, Keith Laumer, A.E. Van Vogt...

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    2. Re:Hollywood's growing obsession with dick by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      [4chan] Dick's everywhere ! [/4chan]

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    3. Re:Hollywood's growing obsession with dick by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      "has gotten". *sigh*

      An English teacher is spinning in her grave somewhere.

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  3. awesome by nomadic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The Adjustment Bureau adaptation follows news that Terry Gilliam will adapt Dick's novel The World Jones Made

    Woo, Terry Gilliam's in charge? Then we can look forward to a movie 10 years late, substantially overbudget, yet still looks half-done.

    1. Re:awesome by daveime · · Score: 2, Funny

      But at least it'll have some nifty animation in the middle involving aliens and some effeminate guy saying "you lucky bastard", and maybe a cameo role as a deaf/mute/hunchback type person.

    2. Re:awesome by dskzero · · Score: 1

      Also incredibly confusing, and despite being set in a prairie, it still feels claustrophobic and uncomfortable. Yay!

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    3. Re:awesome by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Woo, Terry Gilliam's in charge? Then we can look forward to a movie 10 years late,

      I waited thirty years to see Lord of the Rings. Patience is a virtue.

      substantially overbudget,

      Why should I care?

      yet still looks half-done.

      The Gilliam movies I've seen are Time Bandidts, Twelve Monkeys, and Brazil*. I fail to see how any of those movies "look half done."

      * not counting the Monty Python movies, but they didn't "look half done" either, except perhaps Holy Grail, shich was supposed to look like it did.

    4. Re:awesome by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Gilliam's curse is relatively recent. Post-Twelve Monkeys, at least. But lately, his lead actors have a tendency to get ill or die.

    5. Re:awesome by ChienAndalu · · Score: 1

      At least Terry Gilliams is a proper fan of PKD. For example he appears in this highly enjoyable BBC Documentary.

    6. Re:awesome by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Baron Munchausen apparently had huge numbers of things go wrong and in the end mostly due to timing it didn't make it into very many cinemas so didn't make much money. I think that's where he got the bad reputation from.
      However if you watch it on video it's so good that you just don't care. Apparently it was only "half done" but it doesn't look it, they still had enough footage and enough story to make a fun movie.
      Also since Hollywood is always crying crocodile tears about money in case they'll end up paying tax some day, I'm not entirely sure that the loss was a big as reported or even actually a loss. Remember that on paper Forest Gump made a loss despite not costing a lot to make and being incredibly popular - and that paper loss meant not having to pay a percentage of profits to the writer and not having to pay tax.

    7. Re:awesome by The+Grand+Falloon · · Score: 1

      Admittedly, I've only seen a few, but I've liked every Gilliam movie I've seen so far. Plenty of times I've said, "Yeah, I could see how you wouldn't like this," but it's always worth seeing at least once.

    8. Re:awesome by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then we can look forward to a movie 10 years late, substantially overbudget, yet still looks half-done.

      Well, not everyone can compete with the polished perfection of Michael Bay movies.

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    9. Re:awesome by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      I fail to see how any of those movies "look half done."

      Really?

      The Gilliam movies I've seen are Time Bandidts,

      They didn't even hire a real minotaur! And the only reason it starred midgets is because actors were paid by the foot back then.

      Twelve Monkeys

      Yeah someone really dropped the ball in the animal department. I think there was, at most, one monkey in this movie. This one wasn't even half done!

      and Brazil

      And there's even less Brazil in Brazil than there were monkeys in Twelve Monkeys.

      What a hack!

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  4. Wrong. by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hollywood has made money off of his material, so they're eager to go back to the well. The good news, thus far at least, is that the material they're using is actually well-written.

    Nothing out of the ordinary here, IMO.

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    1. Re:Wrong. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Informative

      The source material can be well-written; but then you have directors like Uwe Boll deciding to re-scaffold the story on a different premise, similar to another set of movies that made money 10 years ago, because telling the same story over and over was better. Think Doom (invasion of creatures from Hell) being turned into Resident Evil (retro-virus making creatures from Hell).

    2. Re:Wrong. by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that Doom originally had a well-written story?

    3. Re:Wrong. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doom's original story was that a research lab on a Martian moon had been experimenting with teleportation technology garnered from tablets from an ancient race, explaining the mathematical basis for teleportation, as well as the dangers, and a brief of the full events of a war. That technology apparently intermediates through Hell. A rogue scientist takes an artifact (used to defeat the creatures of Hell before) into a gate that goes INTO Hell, and then the armies of Hell invade the base.

      In the original progression, the armies of Hell wanted a distress signal sent to Earth to get ships for transit to Earth. The lone marine left alive after the initial invasion encountered all kinds of shit; as well as getting orders from a corrupted CO and having to recover the weapon used to such effect in the destruction of Hell's armies. There was also a fully aware counselor attempting to shut down communications or warn Earth about the invasion plans. A lot of weird shit went on, since it dealt with the supernatural aspects of ... well, Judeo-Christian Hell.

      The director for the movie decided that was all a bunch of bullshit, and instead they'd just find skeletons with a super-gene from genetic alteration. They'd mix these into a retro-virus and inject the virus into random people to see what happens, thinking it'd make super-humans immune to all disease and with a rapid healing factor. Instead, it makes evil mutant zombies that go around biting other people on the neck to create more evil mutant zombies.

      So, one of these was deeply thought out, with its own unique take on complex physics and advanced technology, and with dark overtones rising from an ethically corrupt research firm and from supernatural interests. The other... was boiler plate zombie-plague horror, a la Resident Evil. Which do you prefer?

    4. Re:Wrong. by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know Doom very well, thank you, and you're right about everything, except that "one of these was deeply thought out".

      And please note that I never said I prefer the story from the film.

    5. Re:Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      experimenting with teleportation technology ... That technology apparently intermediates through Hell.

      Hey, I saw that movie, except it had that dude from Jurassic Park and that dude from The Matrix and it was called Event Horizon.

  5. The Man in the High Castle by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the one I really want to see ! It could become a classic movie, if done correctly.

    1. Re:The Man in the High Castle by HeckRuler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if done correctly.

      Ah, the biggest problem with book to movie conversions. You can be true to form and simultaneously prosecute all the jews while making them out to be greedy coniving businessmen AND world-wide conspirators. Or you can ignore the multiple plot threads that never intertwine and simply go with one story. Or you can realize that all the characters are simply an excuse to portray a backdrop where Germany won WWII.

      And then there's the difficult question of how to end the movie. Self-insertion is tripe and you can't have the climax of the movie hinge on a fortune telling explaining that the world is a. And if you're going to change the ending of the movie, then you're going to have to change a few things leading up to it, and at that point you might as well get a writer to make you something that can be put on the screen.

      And shit like this is how we got "Total Recall", which shares about 4 words from the book: "mars" and "inserting false memories".

    2. Re:The Man in the High Castle by TheNarrator · · Score: 1

      They would never do it. That's because The Man in The High Castle paints a not entirely negative picture of Japanese colonialism. It's too much cognitive dissonance for the whole world to handle. I could however see a low budget indie-manga being made out of it if they could somehow get the rights.

  6. Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how about by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about some hard sci-fi on the big screen, for a effing change? Honestly, aliens that copulate with black hookers and live in a ghetto, or Dance with the Volves on another Planet just didn't do it, for me. Neither did Total Recall, for that matter. Take some of Stephen Baxter's opus - hopefully not even Hollywood can screw up that!

    For me, the epitome of sci-fi filmography was The Andromeda Strain (the original one, of course). Plenty of creativity, yet pretty hard sci-fi (coupled with believable acting/good directing) and no flying thumbs from the bottom of a reactor.

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  7. I don't Understand by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

    Phillip K Dick, mostly wrote short stories. Some of these movies are very loosely based upon those stories, I don't understand why they are not just writing scripts without association. The only thing I could come up with is they think it has some marketing value.

    1. Re:I don't Understand by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 1

      Phillip K Dick, mostly wrote short stories. Some of these movies are very loosely based upon those stories, I don't understand why they are not just writing scripts without association. The only thing I could come up with is they think it has some marketing value.

      It has both marketing value and prevents someone from screaming "They just ripped off XXXXX".

    2. Re:I don't Understand by TheLink · · Score: 4, Informative

      Short stories are OK for movies actually. 2+ hours is actually a short time to squeeze an entire book in.

      With many movies you could have a better ending or explanation for things, but it's just not going to fit in 2-3 hours.

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    3. Re:I don't Understand by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many epic stories need to be a series, either TV or movie. T10K was like ... 6 or 7 movies 3 hours long each? That's how you implement an epic story. Or look at BSG, or more loosely, Enterprise. The problem with TV series is they try to resolve microconflicts in one or two episodes; Enterprise was always a favorite of mine because while there was a small storyline in each episode, there were also 5 other things going on at the same time, on-screen.

    4. Re:I don't Understand by shimage · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, I don't see what this has to do with PKD and the movies nominally based on his stories. Total Recall has almost nothing to do with We'll Remember it for You Wholesale. Most of the movie occurs after the short story has already ended, and the few bits that overlap with the movie are changed substantially. Minority Report (the film) has the opposite moral of the short story it's based on. The only PKD-sourced movie I've seen that is remotely close to the source material is Screamer (though, I will note that I haven't seen Paycheck or Imposter, and I haven't read A Scanner Darkly).

      I think it's more likely that the two aforementioned reasons are the most important: for marketing and also to cover their asses (cf the Terminator and Harlan Ellison's credit).

    5. Re:I don't Understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      A Scanner Darkly was an entirely straightforward adaptation.

    6. Re:I don't Understand by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Short stories I'd like to see made in to movies:

      The Return, Omnilingual and Keeper by H. Beam Piper.

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    7. Re:I don't Understand by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Ooh, Stand on Zanzibar is one I could see being done like BSG or HBO Rome.

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    8. Re:I don't Understand by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Didn't work for the film version of screamers. The transition worked well, but was just too long. Felt like the dragged it out.

    9. Re:I don't Understand by shimage · · Score: 1

      Ok. I suspected that one might be closer than the other films. So that's, what? 2 out of the 9 films nominally "based" on PKD's stories? My point still stands.

  8. Short Stories by Port1080 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dick's stories are perfect for film adaptation because they tend to be short - either short stories or novellas. His longest novels are still very short compared to most of what gets published today in the sci-fi genre. Short stories are easier to adapt to film - you generally have to cut a lot out of a novel to make it fit into a two hour movie, but short stories translate to a script more easily. Dick's stories also tend to have the kind of plot twists and the potential for action sequences that Hollywood favors, and he's well known and has a fairly big cult following. There are tons and tons of good sci-fi short stories out there, but very few of their authors are as well known as PKD. Combine all that together and they're a natural choice for adaptation.

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    1. Re:Short Stories by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      plot twist... robot Abraham Lincoln eats dinner with robot John Wilkes Boothe?

    2. Re:Short Stories by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I am writing down your comments right now:
      1. Dick.
      2. Short stories.

      Ok, so this is good stuff: Short Dick stories. What else?

  9. Must Be Monday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... along with a dearth of stories

    That should read "along with a wealth of stories."

  10. Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Prien715 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Terry Gilliam is one of the most fantastic individuals in the history of film.

    If you're a geek, you know him as a founding member of Monty Python (Patsy in The Holy Grail or Cardinal "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" Fang). If you're into film, he's done some fantastic dystopian sci-fi films (Brazil, 12 Monkeys). Talk about breadth of talent.

    If anyone has what it takes to do Dick well, it's Gilliam (another random piece of trivia: Gilliam was originally chosen by the author to adapt/direct the Harry Potter books. The studios didn't like Rowling's idea and it never happened.)

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    1. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by dskzero · · Score: 1

      If you're into films, you will also probably wonder what hasn't he done anything actually good since 12 Monkeys.

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    2. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      If anyone has what it takes to do Dick well, it's Gilliam

      Wow, 13 minutes & no juvenile responses to that line? Slashdot has been reformed? What's next, KDawson submitting good stories?

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    3. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      Watch Lost in La Mancha then.

    4. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but he also has notoriously bad luck when it comes to actually getting his movies made. And he's way past his filmmaking prime too (his last few projects have either been abysmal failures or disappointments). He hasn't made a good film since "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and hasn't made a truly brilliant film since "12 Monkeys."

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    5. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by dskzero · · Score: 1

      A documental about a movie that didn't got made?

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    6. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by yariv · · Score: 1

      If you're a geek, you know him as a founding member of Monty Python (Patsy in The Holy Grail or Cardinal "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" Fang).

      More importantly, he was the animator, throughout the Flying Circus. At first he was only the animator, and only later started acting minor roles. He was also less involved in writing sketches than the rest (doing mainly the cartoons). Started directing there as well, as director of the holy grail (he was in charge of photography, Terry Jones in charge of acting, mainly).

    7. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by dpilot · · Score: 1

      I just wish Terry Gilliam would get around to (or be permitted to) make a film adaptation of "Good Omens". (The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter: Witch) Too much longer, and all of the 70's jokes will be lost and stale.

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    8. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Gilliam (and Burton for that matter) make wonderful fantasy worlds, but pacing, character development, and story continuity are not their strong suits. - j

    9. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What's next, KDawson submitting good stories?"

      OK, NOW you're just being silly!

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    10. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      At first he was only the animator, and only later started acting minor roles.

      He was the knight with the rubber chicken from the first series.

    11. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What was wrong with Fear and Loathing?

    12. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      And of course you're into film, so your opinion carries more weight than someone who is merely into movies.

    13. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This response suggests to me you haven't seen Tideland.

    14. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Like I said, disappointing. Actually, I think Dr. Parnassus was better than Tideland.

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    15. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by Petrushka · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with Fear and Loathing?

      or The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus? (OK, I can see how that might not be for everyone ... but I find it hard to imagine someone liking Twelve Monkeys but not Imaginarium.)

    16. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by mcvos · · Score: 1

      If you're into films, you will probably wonder why his lead actors constantly get ill or die.

    17. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by colonelquesadilla · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. My favorite bit was putting the demon on an answering machine tape and leaving it in the car until it turned into a Queen tape. Much longer and none of that will make any sense at all.

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    18. Re:Looking forward to The World Jones Made by dpilot · · Score: 1

      (paraphrased - it may have been a decade since I last read it)

      Crowly sent a software license down to the demons who write contracts for lost souls, with one word scrawled across it, "LEARN!"

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  11. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by thijsh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, the Andromeda Strain was awesome! It was also the debut of the great (and sadly late) Michael Crichton on the silver screen, and he has written many entertaining books and movie scripts after that.
    I loved the sets they used in the original, the same hallway painted in different colors to indicate another level inside the contained structure... There was definitely some good acting, and the suspense was heightened by the awesome soundtrack... And they left the origin of the strain kinda in the middle (although the new movie had a mildly interesting sci-fi-ish plot with a wormhole from the future... it felt a little too much Star Trek).

  12. Screamers by m0nstr42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also missed Screamers, based loosely on the short story "Second Variety".

    1. Re:Screamers by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 1

      That short story was excellent. I will have to look into the Screamers movie. Thanks for the info!

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    2. Re:Screamers by m0nstr42 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Most of his short stories are great. The Screamers movie is typical of other PKD adaptations, though. If you can put that aside it's actually decently entertaining early-90's SF schlock.

    3. Re:Screamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when I saw The Terminator, and watched all the way through the end credits waiting for PK Dick's story "Second Variety" to be acknowledged as an inspiration for the movie. I was shocked that Cameron took sole credit for the idea of the machines vs. mankind war and the "second variety" of machine that was indistinguishable from the humans. Of course, the PKD trust didn't sue over the movie, but Harlan Ellison did over the similarities between the Terminator and his old short story "Soldier." At least Ellison won, and now all DVDs of The Terminator include an acknowledgement of the debt Cameron owes to Ellison.

    4. Re:Screamers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weren't two (possibly more) of his stories used for The Twilight Zone?
      They could do with being made into movies.

    5. Re:Screamers by spidey3 · · Score: 1

      Very loosely...

    6. Re:Screamers by brianleb321 · · Score: 1

      That short story was excellent. I will have to look into the Screamers movie. Thanks for the info!

      Be careful, there are actually several Screamers movies. They released a sequel about a year ago, which is simply god-awful. The first Screamers movie isn't too great, but as a fan of the short story, you may enjoy it simply on principle.

      Screamers
      Screamers: The Hunting

      (also not to be confused with the documentary on System of a Down, Screamers

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  13. I hope more PKD will get back in to print by wwphx · · Score: 1

    because of this. I find the occasional used Dick in stores and the occasional omnibus, but I don't often find PKD at a reasonable price.

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    1. Re:I hope more PKD will get back in to print by gweeks · · Score: 1
    2. Re:I hope more PKD will get back in to print by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I use Gutenberg a lot, I'm looking more for mass market print editions. Plus, I lost my iPod Touch yesterday, which I use for reading ebooks. Yes, I can read it on my laptop, but I refuse to take my laptop to bed with me.

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    3. Re:I hope more PKD will get back in to print by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      > I refuse to take my laptop to bed with me. Boy, are you ever on the wrong website ;-)

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    4. Re:I hope more PKD will get back in to print by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      >> I refuse to take my laptop to bed with me.
      >Boy, are you ever on the wrong website ;-)
      Says the guy who forgot to add html breaks...

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    5. Re:I hope more PKD will get back in to print by metacell · · Score: 1

      Yes, I can read it on my laptop, but I refuse to take my laptop to bed with me.

      Not even when you can have some Dick in it?

  14. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Wolvenhaven · · Score: 1

    I would love to see a properly and accurately done Night's Dawn Trilogy, unfortunately they would probably turn it into another abortion like the LOTR movies, or the planned rape of The Wheel of TIme that they have been talking about turning into a set of movies.

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  15. Inyourendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kinda says something about my love life when all I see of TFS title is Obsession, Growing and Dick.

  16. Why Hollywood is obsessed with .... by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hollywood is obsessed with secret, powerful, out-of-control, quasi-government agencies because Hollywood is a secret, powerful, out-of-control, quasi-government organization. They are obsessed with destroying the finances and lives of thousands of random people in order to obtain and retain control of the cultural and emotional mental frameworks of most people in the developed world.

      This fascination with the themes of Phillip K. Dick is only a reflection of their own neurotic narcissism.

     

    1. Re:Why Hollywood is obsessed with .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Cool story bro.

  17. Newsline - Hollywood Loves Dick by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Funny

    (sorry I just couldn't miss this opportunity)

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    1. Re:Newsline - Hollywood Loves Dick by Delusion_ · · Score: 1

      I'm a little disappointed these days that less funny punchlines make it to the top tags.

      I know I'm not the only one that tagged this "hollywoodlovesdick".

    2. Re:Newsline - Hollywood Loves Dick by AniVisual · · Score: 1

      No way; it should read: Hollywood's Growing Obsession with Phallic Dick

  18. Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by Big+Smirk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not because the movie was spectacular. But because of what many (most/all) missed.

    When the technicians are putting Quaid under for the vacation implant with the 'secret agent' option - one of the techs chuckles "Mars with a blue sky"

    I guess I'll have to read Phillip K Dick's book to see if that was the intention.

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    1. Re:Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I caught it. And I stopped reading Piers Anthony's novelization when he inserted a scene at the beginning that made it unquestionably reality (thugs come in and shoot up the complex, looking for Quaid). The movie did a good job leaving it ambiguous. Well, except for the whole killing his real wife thing. I think I'd want my money back if they gave me that memory.

    2. Re:Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by greg1104 · · Score: 1

      In We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, the short story that "Total Recall" was inspired by, the structure of the plot is a bit different. At the point where Quaid begins heading toward Mars in the movie, in the story he instead returns to Rekal to have things sorted out--only to end with a second twist. So the basic question of "was the story written like that?" doesn't really apply. However, the fact that it's impossible to know for sure whether the whole thing was a particularly good implanted memory or actual events, that sort of ambiguity is certainly in the spirit of Dick's work. The best of the film translations are true to that element even when it goes "off-story" as it were. The whole debate over whether Deckard is a replicant or not in "Blade Runner" falls into the same category--that's unique to the film, introduced by Ridley Scott, Deckard is clearly just a regular guy in the novel. But having such uncertainty about what's real and what isn't, that's such a fundamental element to Dick's writing that it feels like part of the canon anyway.

    3. Re:Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Never been married, huh?

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    4. Re:Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure most people got that. It was an important point of the film, trying to figure out whether it was real, or all in Quaids head.

      It is similar to blade runner (version without the voice over), where we are left trying to figure out whether he was a runner himself?

      I always liked the fact that these points were not answered in the films.

    5. Re:Total Recall: I actually enjoyed the original by metacell · · Score: 1

      Doing away with his wife was necessary so he could have a relationship with the athletic brunette he specified for the implanted memory.

  19. Yes, but... by Crash+McBang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... will they be done in 3D?

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  20. Phil Dick Is A Good Writer by SplicerNYC · · Score: 1

    And even enjoyable in a somewhat psychedelic sort of way but Hollywood never quite seems to get it. I've always thought of Dick as a cross between Vonnegut and Bradbury with a tiny bit of Hunter S. Thompson thrown in. Charlie Kaufman could probably write a good script for a Phil Dick movie - he'd get it.

    1. Re:Phil Dick Is A Good Writer by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And even enjoyable in a somewhat psychedelic sort of way but Hollywood never quite seems to get it.

      You might try the film version of "A Scanner Darkly." Unaccountably, they actually did try to hold to the Phil Dick original, rather than jettisoning the written work to write a different work "based on" the novel.

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    2. Re:Phil Dick Is A Good Writer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might try the film version of "A Scanner Darkly." Unaccountably, they actually did try to hold to the Phil Dick original, rather than jettisoning the written work to write a different work "based on" the novel.

      Have to agree Linklater did an awesome job with A Scanner Darkly. Casting Keanu and Winona as Arctor and Fred was pretty sketchy in my view, but they wound up working out OK. It was far from a perfect direct adaptation, but I don't necessarily think that's possible.

    3. Re:Phil Dick Is A Good Writer by u17 · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a bad movie, but the last scene took away a lot of the enjoyment for me. They didn't have to make it THAT obvious.

  21. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Xelios · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with hard sci-fi is that it appeals to a niche audience only. This used to be ok, but nowadays studios want films to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. Which, incidentally, is also why so many films that could have been amazing end up being pretty terrible. It doesn't help that sci-fi is generally expensive to produce, why spend all that money when the much cheaper standard-relationship-comedy-sequel ends up earning more?

    Not to say I wouldn't love to see more sci-fi or cyberpunk films. I'm not sure how you'd compress the Xeelee Sequence into a 2 hour movie (even if it's just a part of it), but I'd kill to see Takeshi Kovacs on the big screen.

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  22. free ebook with ticket by moteyalpha · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It would be nice if you paid for a screen adaption, that you got the books too.
    Much more that can only be experienced in the books.
    PKD is classic.

    1. Re:free ebook with ticket by Big+Smirk · · Score: 1

      That's an awesome idea. At least make it available for some nominal charge. (And make the offer again at the end of the movie).

      Theaters are always looking for a way to make money - AFAIK they barely break even on the ticket sales and rely mostly on concessions - how about selling something useful.

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    2. Re:free ebook with ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how the movie industry works. It would less surprise me if you have to play MORE for the ebook version once you have seen the screen adaption.

    3. Re:free ebook with ticket by cyberfunkr · · Score: 1

      But movies rarely stay true to the book. And most people agree that the book is always better than the movie.

      So giving away the book is telling the audience, "Now that you've seen the bullocks we've made, see how far from the original we were allowed to go and still keep the title."

    4. Re:free ebook with ticket by kundziad · · Score: 1

      You almost got caught in my subconscious spam filter...

  23. meh ... call me if they do The Three Stigmata by _critic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best . . . and hardest to do well . . . in my humble opinion.

    Valis would be interesting too.

  24. Better headline by vlm · · Score: 1

    Entertainment: Hollywood's Growing Obsession With Philip K. Dick

    Would have been a much funnier headline without first and middle names.

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    1. Re:Better headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hollywood craves Dick

    2. Re:Better headline by metacell · · Score: 1

      Hollywood Sucks Up Dick

  25. No it hasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In my opinion, the Science Fiction genre is tired and overdone in very predictable ways.

    That's because Gollyweird rarely makes a true science fiction.

    Most of their shit and it's mostly shit, are really horror movies set in space - they're really a slasher movie but with an alien doing the slashing - Aliens.

    Or they're just a rehash of Terrestrial plots and themes in "space" see Star Wars and Star Trek.

    And when they actually do make a movie by a SciFi master, they fuck it up.

    Now, Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) has the ability to do it. Whether the zipper heads in Hollywood will actually make a true science fiction movie is another story. There is hope, though, considering he got the money to do the Rings Trilogy.

    The rare good sci fi, such as Primer hardly gets any promotion.

  26. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yeah, but we'll have to wait until Hamilton is dead, editors like it when they can unleash their full artistic creative power without being bothered by that guy who wrote the story.

  27. Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    "a remake of Total Recall is being developed by the ironically named Original Films Studio."

    Wow, mixed feelings at the totally missed opportunity there.

    First, Philip K. Dick never wrote a piece called "Total Recall." A few of the major themes from his short story "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" were grabbed and incorporated into a completely different plot to make the movie "Total Recall," but for the most part, "Total Recall" isn't Phil Dick, and "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" was not made into a movie.

    So it seems like there is an opportunity here, to make a movie from the story Dick actually wrote.

    Instead, though, for no detectable reason they seen to want to remake "Total Recall." I can't see the slightest reason to do this. It was already a fine film-- for what it was, which is an action-effects extravaganza that incorporated some themes from Dick's work into a Hollywood-plotted film-- and I doubt that that film can be remade better.

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    1. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Jim+Robinson+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Actually.... while PKD may have provided the original thought (I don't know this to be true or false), the move "Total Recall" was an adaptation of a Pier Anthony book by the same name.

    2. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Smauler · · Score: 1

      I doubt that that film can be remade better.

      I know, I know.... she could have _four_ tits in the remake!

    3. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The screenplay by Ron Shusset and the late Dan O'Bannon only gives credit to Philip K. Dick's short story "We Can Remeber It For You Wholesale." Piers Anthony was hired to adapt the script into a novelization that was published simultaneously with the release of the film.

    4. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Boobs.

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    5. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Speare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, that's not an uncommon misunderstanding.

      First, Philip K. Dick never wrote a piece called "Blade Runner." A few of the major themes from his short story "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" were grabbed and incorporated into a completely different plot to make the movie "Blade Runner," but for the most part, "Blade Runner" isn't Phil Dick, and "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" was not made into a movie.

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    6. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by VShael · · Score: 1

      and I doubt that that film can be remade better

      Give the triple breasted hooker an extra breast? And a sex scene?

    7. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the original wasn't that great. It was weak in terms of application of his standard themes (what is reality) and in essence was a juvenile fantasy written out.

    8. Re:Total Recall... or We Can Remember It For You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her address can be 6 Eroticon Street.

  28. I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

    Blade Runner, Total Recall, the Minority Report, and Paycheck are all decent flicks. Not mind-bending, probably, but sure as hell not Uwe Boll/Sex in the City/Kung Fu Kid. There's loads of tripe in Hollywood, so 'win, place, or show' makes sense to me. They can't all be effigies, and much of this work is a fine way to idle away a couple hours here and there.

    What am I missing?

    1. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by retchdog · · Score: 1

      I never understood the hate for Minority Report. I thought it was fairly well-executed and that the effects mostly helped convey the plot and inherent paranoia, rather than being gratuitous. Sure there were some stupid scenes, like the car factory escape, or the ridiculous vomit baton weapons, but I think it still better than the Hollywood average. Yes, the ending was far too perfectly redemptive, but again I think that the overall plot execution was still above-average.

      Spielberg is quoted as saying that MR was absolutely his darkest possible vision of the future. This doesn't speak well to Spielberg's imagination (the case can be made that life is just as bad now), and he did spend too much time trying clumsily to ape the recently-deceased Stanley Kubrick. Nonetheless, the imagery was stunning: the matron with the motile plants; the spider-invasion of the apartment building; and even the almost-cheesy eye surgery scene. I appreciated all of this.

      In short, it's a lot like Fifth Element to me: a combination of flaws and merits where the narrative is occasionally compromised by spectacle. Anyway, it's easy for me to deal with the flaws.

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    2. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      In short, it's a lot like Fifth Element to me: a combination of flaws and merits where the narrative is occasionally compromised by spectacle. Anyway, it's easy for me to deal with the flaws.

      Bingo! That's a perfect comparison for me as well.

    3. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Minority Report and Paycheck just suck as films. Its not that they aren't great, its that they suck bad -- Transformers 2/ XMen 3 bad.

    4. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      How so?

      Though I'd say the same for Transformers 2. It wasn't THAT bad.

      XMen 3, on the other hand, that's just hurtful. No movie deserves to be compared to THAT.

    5. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by joocemann · · Score: 1

      You're missing the better parts of the movies, apparently. These are hardly a 'die hard' in the future. These movies have social and personal depth that often go unnoticed. You find the value by seeing it, but the value is not obvious to those who don't look or can't see.

      Blade runner, despite its age, is perfect in today's terms. Blade runner can show you where biotechnology and IT may be going --- the complexities of *creating* life that has awareness and emotion --- and all the ethical/moral thoughts around the issue.

    6. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      Blade runner can show you where biotechnology and IT may be going --- the complexities of *creating* life that has awareness and emotion --- and all the ethical/moral thoughts around the issue.

      Okay, sure, but as movies go, it isn't all that stellar. The acting is campy, the plot direction is jarring, and the overall production values are pretty poor. Now, some of that is due to the era from whence it came, but on the face of it these things really can make it comparable to an 'average' modern movie. District 9, perhaps?

    7. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by joocemann · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's a fair comparison. I like the plot/story, though --- think of it more like 'a snapshot of the times' --- a piece of one man's story in the mix of the world where so much is going on. I do it with Kubric too... many a venetian-masked orgy.... many green beret assasins in vietnam going awkward and awry... many people getting an AI child... etc.

         

    8. Re:I'm not seeing the complaint I guess... by metacell · · Score: 1

      What exactly do they suck?

  29. writing style by bigdavex · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed the movies Blade Runner and Minority Report, so I tried reading some of the original short stories. I was disappointed. The writing style is uninspired and the characters are underdeveloped. I think this works for the filmmakers, because they are free to take a premise and fill in the details.

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    -Dave
    1. Re:writing style by The+Yuckinator · · Score: 1

      Maybe part of your issue is that there was no short story called "Blade Runner"?

      Go read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and you'll get both the writing style and characters that you're after. There are at least two or three solid sub plots in the novel that are completely missing from the movie, then again it was a full novel and had a lot more room to maneuver than a movie does.

      I also enjoyed the short story, "Minority Report" - but to each their own.

      I'd like to see maybe a series of short films based on Dick's short stories. I wonder if the National Film Board (Canada) would give me a grant if I wanted to say, put "The Short, Happy Life of the Brown Oxford" on film? Hmmmm...

  30. The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by rbrander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...predicting the future is the most powerful superpower of all.

    Nic Cage was arguably a superhero in Next because seeing 2 minutes into the future let him outmanouver bad guys and walk through machine gun bursts untouched. Seeing an hour into the future let Tom Cruise and the precogs eliminate murder. And seeing a whole day into the future in Paycheck let Ben Affleck save the world.

    Even Dick's novels don't feed the need; Push showed Dakota Fanning the most important of a bunch of psychic heroes because the seers are always a step ahead of you.

    Not that Dick was way out there with that; it was the most powerful spice-given power in Dune, and even George Lucas makes it a plot-steering device in Star Wars. Just the ability to see a fraction of a second into the future made 9-year-old Anakin a top race driver.

    (Funny coincidence: not long after the recent Star Wars movies came out, BBC did a special "Top Gear" about race driving and the host actually took Michael Schumacher into a bar and demonstrated Schumacher was no better than anybody else at the old trick of "catch the bill before I drop it through your fingers". He has the same physical reaction time as anybody else. Top drivers like Schumacher *anticipate* what's coming next - seeing into the future by the ordinary ability of the brain to model the world - and actually start reacting to things before they happen. Lucas is really pretty smart, just not so hot at dialogue.)

    1. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by qc_dk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (Funny coincidence: not long after the recent Star Wars movies came out, BBC did a special "Top Gear" about race driving and the host actually took Michael Schumacher into a bar and demonstrated Schumacher was no better than anybody else at the old trick of "catch the bill before I drop it through your fingers". He has the same physical reaction time as anybody else. Top drivers like Schumacher *anticipate* what's coming next - seeing into the future by the ordinary ability of the brain to model the world - and actually start reacting to things before they happen. Lucas is really pretty smart, just not so hot at dialogue.)

      I'm sure he has better physical reaction time, for things related to racing. He probably has programmed reflexes that are related to the feel of the steering wheel that are much faster than either yours or mine.

      I'm a fencer and I can see both(better model, better reflexes) working for me, when fencing beginners. I am better at predicting what people will do. My muscles are faster, and finally I can react faster. The final trick comes from not thinking about a move. If you have to do what Schumacher did in the test (observe,analyse,react) it's clear you are going to be about as fast as anyone else. With enough training you can teach your body to have certain reflexes that are much faster, because the action bypasses parts of the brain. (you can exploit this in fencing because if you discover your opponent has a reflex like this you can trigger it and know his reaction)

    2. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by rbrander · · Score: 1

      I believe that both your muscles contract and your nerves transmit signals at the same speed as those beginners. Yet another bit of casual TV learning left from Discovery channel, or Nova or some such, more recently went into fencing (well, that Japanese Kendo "fencing" with wooden staves, anyway) and similar sports, and they, too identified two speedups.

      One was the anticipation I mentioned in my first post; the other wasn't somehow speeding up body functions pretty dependent on laws of physics, it was which part of the brain handled the "decision" and the orders to move.

      Heavily trained sportsmen have basically programmed firmware, a slashdotter might say; the tactical level of see-aim-move is handled by the part of the brain near the bottom, down close to the stem, whose name I've managed to forget. They don't order their body around move-by-move any more than a pianist thinks out each finger press. It takes thousands of repetitions to develop, near-daily practice to maintain, though.

      Your ripostes are pretty much executed on auto and the conscious "you" is an observer playing catch-up, free to worry about strategy and anticipation. It's a little spooky to think there are parts of your brain that are acting somewhat independently, but, hey, a lower level of that keeps your heart going. You can program complex actions to be like breathing, consciously-controlled if desired, or you "let yourself go" and they become unconscious.

      (I don't think it's even possible to ski moguls at speed if you have to "think" about it; you have to be sending the order to turn around the thing down your spine before you've even reached it. The "firmware programming" is a minimum necessary requirement to do the sport at all! Every ski instructor tells you to just "let yourself go, you have to feel it".)

      At least, that was what I abstracted from a show I don't remember well enough to tell you the name of that bottom part of the brain. I could be twisting the story a bit.

    3. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he has better physical reaction time, for things related to racing.

      Agreed. As a rather odd example, I started juggling in my teenaged years. And while I'd say I'm just competent, it noticeably improved my reflexes when it comes to reacting to and catching falling objects... which is rather handy when you're a bit of a klutz otherwise.

    4. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      One was the anticipation I mentioned in my first post; the other wasn't somehow speeding up body functions pretty dependent on laws of physics, it was which part of the brain handled the "decision" and the orders to move.

      Heavily trained sportsmen have basically programmed firmware, a slashdotter might say; the tactical level of see-aim-move is handled by the part of the brain near the bottom, down close to the stem, whose name I've managed to forget. They don't order their body around move-by-move any more than a pianist thinks out each finger press. It takes thousands of repetitions to develop, near-daily practice to maintain, though.

      Uhh, isn't that the very definition of "reflex"? :) ie, the ability to rapidly act without having to consciously make a decision. Sounds to me like the documentary backs up the GP's point.

    5. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by rbrander · · Score: 1

      For sure. I wasn't arguing with the central point, I was pretty much nitpicking on his phrase "my muscles are faster", also the term "physical reaction time". I just wanted to draw out the distinction between what's happening in the body and in the brain.

      The body is the same - nerve transmission is nerve transmission, muscle contraction is muscle contraction. All the time-savings are happening from the neck up.

      The point is important because it means that training is everything. There are no people with *inherently* "faster reflexes" as if nerve transmission speeds were like height.

      There are surely people who LEARN faster in the physical sense just as there are people who learn faster at math. They will always pick up those trained reflexes in fewer repetitions and be more talented athletes for the same amount of training.

      But below the Olympic level, where everybody trains all the time and the talented always come out ahead, you can get to the top of your local baseball league by training harder and building "quick reflexes" the way anybody can build muscle. You cannot, alas, get to the top of your local basketball league by training hard to be taller.

    6. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by qc_dk · · Score: 1

      What you described was exactly what I was trying to say. My moves have been programmed and are bypassing the "consciousness" and are therefore faster.

      An interesting thing is that I can choose the reflex ahead of the move. Say I've done a parry my reflex would be to riposte(attack), but I can select whether I go for the chest, flank, or head. But I have to decide some time before and "forget" about it. If I'm still thinking about it when it's time to do the move it will be slow.

      Also, when I said my muscles are faster I didn't mean that my nerves were any faster. I meant that I obviously have more muscles(fibers) in relevant areas and I can execute my moves faster than an untrained person. I have also learned better techniques. I only engage the triceps and finger muscles in an attack. Where beginners invariably will also use biceps,lower arm and shoulder muscles. While this supplies more "power" to the attack they also work against the triceps and slows down the attack.

    7. Re:The other theme both PKD and Hollywood love is by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      I agree. Training skills to the point that they become second nature is how to get REALLY good at the skills. I read a really good article on Larry Fitzgerald's ability to catch footballs, based on extensive training.

  31. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by vlm · · Score: 1

    This used to be ok, but nowadays studios want films to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. Which, incidentally, is also why so many films that could have been amazing end up being pretty terrible.

    Missing the point. The broad audience likes terrible movies. A boy meets girl, with a car chase, as a "screensaver" while the kids text on their cellphones, make out, or eat junk food while baked.

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  32. This obsession is too late ... by slugmass · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    to stop the horror that is "Twilight." A literary adaptation in the sense that teenage Facebook postings are learned discourse.

  33. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    hopefully not even Hollywood can screw up that!

    You underestimate the power of Hollywood.

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  34. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by sconeu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Baxter? Are you kidding? He spends 3 pages describing how to take a shit in an Apollo capsule.

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  35. And this is a problem?!? by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    I'd rather see Phillip K.'s work than the current list of "Dicks" writing SciFi scripts lately.

    1. Re:And this is a problem?!? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Ha, you made a funny, because his last name is Dick.

      Also, PKD didn't write scripts, he wrote stories. There is still going to be someone to write the script on the story, and they can royally fuck it up, don't you worry about that.

  36. No wonder they love Phillip K. Dick's stories by MartinSchou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you look at Adjustment Team, we see that it is in the public domain.

    As is The Variable Man, The Golden Man, The Last of the Masters, Meddler, Shell Game, The Turning Wheel and possibly a number of other stories.

    But obviously this just proves, that without never ending copyright claims, the world will never see great art again.

  37. Site slashdotted by brinkie · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... it looks like the site has been slashdotted. I only get to see this page: http://sffmedia.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

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    1. Re:Site slashdotted by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 1

      sffmedia must have gone over the month's allotment 18 days early.

  38. Did anyone else read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "When Congressman Chuck Norris meets the love of his life after a political defeat..."

    1. Re:Did anyone else read by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows that Chuck Norris never gets defeated. He only gets bored, and then starts roundhouse kicking everything.

  39. Valis by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

    Film that one if you can! Deeply, deeply strange.

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  40. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by imakemusic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not as bad as Andy McNab. A chapter and a half of a guy sitting in a bush, shitting in a plastic bag. Thrilling stuff.

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  41. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    The Andromeda Strain(movie), was hideously dry as was the standard for hard science fiction. Maybe it's just from a different era, maybe I have ADD, but all the hard sci-fi I've seen is just long drawn out and dull. Perhaps it's Clark's influence. He's a great man, and his ideas are great, but he just can't write characters. And so I think he set the tone for how a hard sci-fi is supposed to be played.

  42. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The broad audience likes terrible movies. A boy meets girl, with a car chase,

    But in the Soviet.. Hasbro, the car chases the boy!

  43. Does this mean we can call any PKD-based movie... by Tomsk70 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ....Dickensian?

  44. Dr. Bloodmoney by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Probably unfilmable, but it might be fun to see the attempt.

  45. Ubik yes! Others, maybe by andrewagill · · Score: 1

    I have to say that out of all of PKD's books I've read, the one I thought was most adaptable to film was Ubik. Dick apparently thought the same, since he wrote a screenplay version of it.

  46. Obsession by dick? by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

    What happened to good old tits n' ass?

    1. Re:Obsession by dick? by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Part of the leftist Hollywood's feminization of the American male. See also: Metrosexual.

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    2. Re:Obsession by dick? by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      What the fuck does it have to do with the left? Have you checked under your bed today? There may be a commie hiding.

    3. Re:Obsession by dick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's always straight to DVD American Pie and other National Lampoon spin offs. I'm not afraid to admit that I enjoy the. Oh wait, I am, that's why I posted this as an AC.

    4. Re:Obsession by dick? by metacell · · Score: 1

      I'll have you know that enjoying Dick is very manly.

    5. Re:Obsession by dick? by colonelquesadilla · · Score: 1

      I just put my box spring on the floor, keeps the commies from fitting under there, sneaky though they are. If a commie got under my bed he'd have access to all the loaded guns, so it's too much risk to take.

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  47. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by TheNarrator · · Score: 1

    Have you ever seen the movie Sunshine? That was about as hard sci-fi as it gets. The nerdiness unfortunately was just oozing out of that movie, it was almost too much, even for me. The ending was great though.

  48. Of course. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    PKD left behind a giant collection of sci-fi weirdness which can be adapted even by a team of monkeys into something interesting for the screen.

    But far more importantly than that. . ,

    He's dead. He left behind a corpse.

    So now nobody has to pay him, or deal with the threat that he might become more than a Tim Burton, (an idiot machine which can be counted on to produce only what his masters want from him.) PKD, together with being a bit insane, had the unsettling tendency to criticize the world and look into places he was not supposed to look. You simply don't give a lot of money, power and media influence to such people. Media influence is reserved for the Fox talking head types. We know exactly what media influence is worth!

    So you prevent new voices from rising, or you work hard to reign in and/or destroy old voices. (I'm fairly convinced these days that Lucas was carefully managed in order to prevent Star Wars from waking anybody up.)

    But now that PKD is dead, and his legacy so far behind the current curve of social awareness, the studios can safely mine his data without having to worry about paying the piper, (in either money or souls). -And by "the studios" I of course include the various jackals left in charge of his collected works.

    Dead artists and idiot machine writers are far more likely to be celebrated and rewarded in today's media precisely because they don't challenge the status quo.

    -FL

    1. Re:Of course. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      Wow. Usually I can understand where the moderators are coming from, but not this time.

      It usually takes a fairly significant transgression to get modded down to a zero. -Well, upsetting two people in the same manner, anyway. Still, that's pretty weird. The post is certainly not off topic and neither is it particularly volatile. I wonder what it was that upset the moderators so much.

      I've re-posted below just because I find the reaction so interesting. . .

      -FL

      ~~~~

      PKD left behind a giant collection of sci-fi weirdness which can be adapted even by a team of monkeys into something interesting for the screen.

      But far more importantly than that. . ,

      He's dead. He left behind a corpse.

      So now nobody has to pay him, or deal with the threat that he might become more than a Tim Burton, (an idiot machine which can be counted on to produce only what his masters want from him.) PKD, together with being a bit insane, had the unsettling tendency to criticize the world and look into places he was not supposed to look. You simply don't give a lot of money, power and media influence to such people. Media influence is reserved for the Fox talking head types. We know exactly what media influence is worth!

      So you prevent new voices from rising, or you work hard to reign in and/or destroy old voices. (I'm fairly convinced these days that Lucas was carefully managed in order to prevent Star Wars from waking anybody up.)

      But now that PKD is dead, and his legacy so far behind the current curve of social awareness, the studios can safely mine his data without having to worry about paying the piper, (in either money or souls). -And by "the studios" I of course include the various jackals left in charge of his collected works.

      Dead artists and idiot machine writers are far more likely to be celebrated and rewarded in today's media precisely because they don't challenge the status quo.

      -FL

  49. "Seeing into the Future" can't make sense by yariv · · Score: 1

    unlike predicting it.

    The reason is it interferes with our illusion of free will. If you see the future, you see what you'll do, there's no way around it. Dick was well aware of it, and wrote this in fact, but that's not a solution. I'm not sure how Herbert handled this, but I've never seen anyone handling it properly, its to alien. Terry Pratchett went as far as possible in pointing it out in the carpet people, but it still doesn't work. You just can't relate to a character that knows it has no free will, I think.

    1. Re:"Seeing into the Future" can't make sense by rbrander · · Score: 1

      I tried to think of an SF story with completely inevitable future seeing and only came up with Heinlein's very first story, where the guy could predict your death-date and nothing could be done about it. Well, now that I mention it, his classic "By His Bootstraps" also had immutable time; the character kept discovering he'd only fulfilled what he'd known would happen.

      My favourite for approaching the idea was an awful early 80's movie called "Krull". Some race asked a rather malevolent godling for the power to see the future. He gave them only the power to see their own death...and if they used the power to avoid it, the vision was immediately replaced by their new death, which was much more horrible. Naturally, the movie character has to use it a couple of times to save his fellows, eventually resulting in a really appalling death of massive suffering.

      I think Star Trek eventually had the shame to have a couple of time-cops ask a main character if "This is one of those unapproved time trips where your interference turned out to be the exact thing needed to make history play out as we knew it had to?"

      "No."

      "Good. I hate those."

    2. Re:"Seeing into the Future" can't make sense by yariv · · Score: 1

      This is the case, if I remember correctly, in "The World Jones Made", that was referenced here (also in the carpet people, but that's not SF). I have to say I'm not a big fan of time travel stories, but I'll take them any day over future-vision (which is very rare). Time travel makes sense because the traveler doesn't know the future, he has only general understanding of things that might happen (depending on the interpretation, maybe he can prevent them from happening). I did watch Paycheck, and it was ridiculous. The point is he knew what everyone will do, in a way that depended on the actions he took because of knowing. The only way to avoid the paradox is to claim you must get a stable solution (he'll do what he knows he'll do and not try to prevent it), and this throws the world into a paradox. What happen if two people use the machine? The whole idea fails...

  50. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

    Time to try a Gil Hamilton story.

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  51. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by radtea · · Score: 2, Informative

    That was about as hard sci-fi as it gets.

    Nope. It was a fantasy film with spaceships.

    Hard SF is generally populated with plausible science and believable if somewhat limited characters, not magical spacecraft and people who were clearly hand-picked for the most important mission ever out of the leavings of a psychiatric hospital.

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  52. Total Recall by Andy+Smith · · Score: 1

    We need a remake of Total Recall because...?

  53. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    > but nowadays studios want films to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.
    So let's make a romantic comedy in a hard sci-fi cyberpunk plot/setting.

    I think I've killed a kitten.

  54. Who else wanted the title to read: by Ponder+Stibions · · Score: 1

    Hollywood's Growing Obsession With Dick?

  55. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm. Psychology is a science. So is sociology. QED, Phillip K Dick is hard sci-fi.

  56. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy's talking about hard sf, ffs, not pathetically long space opera full of scenes written with one hand.

  57. . . . of course. . . by jafac · · Score: 3, Informative

    . . . Hollywould "gets it". . . LONG after PKD's coolness buzz has faded. That's the way Big Money works. It's the way Big Money has ALWAYS worked. It's really what "cool" was first all about - until they tried to package and market cool to us. Then it was what "punk" was all about. (wash-rinse-repeat).

    Change the name, but it will always be the same: The folks who try to tell us that getting rich is all about taking risks, are really the most financially secure (relatively), and therefore the most risk-averse folks on the planet, and therefore, as far as cultural trends go, will always pretty much be positioned way far back on the long-tail as far as coolness goes.

    A person with a $400 million trust-fund in the bank risking his own $5 million investing in a film based on a PKD story, in 2010, is NOT anything like "cool". Though, the rank and file hoi polloi market will reward him generously.

    A person with $20 in the bank risking $5 (possibly tomorrow's dinner, or the electric bill, or prescription co-pay for his antidepressant meds) on a paperback novel by a new, unknown, unpromoted writer published by an off-brand house (maybe self-published, these days), with fresh ideas that haven't been recycled a dozen thousand times by low-budget mass-market screenwriters - is the definition of cool. That guy will earn the small-scale social respect of his peers by relating his experience in reading the book, in casual conversation. That's how social animals work.

    Then, in 15 years, when the trustafarians decide this writer's popularity has safely gained enough critical mass that they can risk .001% (insured) of their net worth on a film, that "cool" person, and his peers will puke when they see the trailer.

    Nobody expresses this phenomenon as succinctly as "Indy-rock Pete" in Diesel Sweeties. Which, I think, ceased being cool about 5 minutes before I "discovered" and started reading it. I'm waiting for the Michael Bey version of Diesel Sweeties. 16-bit graphics and all. In 3D Imax, Dolby Surround.

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    1. Re:. . . of course. . . by brianleb321 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You sound a little too hung up on 'cool,' friend. Enjoy what's good. Enjoy what you want. Why is it wrong for someone with money to fund a movie? Why is it cool for someone to risk his immediate fiscal future on a book? I've read some books that I enjoyed, even though some of them were published before I was born. Because I'm taking an interest in it after the fact, does that make me uncool? Just because someone has money doesn't mean that everything they produce is going to be white washed, over done garbage.

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  58. Re:Ubik yes! Others, maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, he wrote it when French director Jean-Pierre Gorin optioned the book. Dick was thrilled because it was the first time any filmmaker had ever expressed interest in his work, so he wrote the screenplay entirely on his own and sent it to Gorin as a gift. Unfortunately, Gorin had entirely different ideas about what he wanted the film to be, and wanted to make it into a kind of futuristic film noir detective story, so he never gave Dick's script any consideration at all. And of course, Gorin's version was never produced either.

    It's too bad, because Dick's script is not only faithful to the original novel, he even added some delightful new scenes for how the characters in the living world communicated with those trapped in half-life (one of which seemed to inspire a scene used in Total Recall).

  59. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Sunshine?? SUNSHINE????? As in, "the sun's going out and we're going to re-ignite it" Sunshine? You have no sense of what hard SF is supposed to be. Absolutely none. To start with, it needs to be based on *actual science*, not some Hollywood writer's fever dream with no discernable relationship with actual physics.

  60. Hobbit=2032, LOTR=2049 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    J.R.R.Tolkien died in 1973 so thats just over halfway into the post-death years of life+70

    Hobbit goes public domain under US law in 2032, and with the new edition in 1966 it may be 2061. Lord of The Rings was published 1954/55 so it runs out 2049 unless the 1966 edition extended it to 2061 again. So, I would say it's 2032 for Hobbit and 2049 for LOTR and then the oldest editions become public domain.
    Source
    Google's cache, because the site wasn't responding for me.

  61. Re:Matt Damon? by DocHoncho · · Score: 1

    that's the first thing that pops into my mind whenever I hear his name.

    Classic.

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  62. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by naasking · · Score: 1

    Contact, Gattaca, Moon to name a few. Hard-SF isn't pervasive, but there are some good ones.

  63. Also done in the 80's by Sprouticus · · Score: 1

    A similarly themed episode of Teilgith Zone in the 80's had this theme...other than the convienent ending it was a decent episode, especially because I remember it 25+ years later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Matter_of_Minutes

  64. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by bmajik · · Score: 1

    I wish someone would make "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" into a film [without wrecking its message], and release it in US theaters on July 4.

    And then I wish that the people who watched it would actually think about what they had seen. And it would be even nicer if the extent of their reaction went past "just thinking about it".

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  65. new fan of Phil K Dick by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 3, Informative

    I always liked Blade Runner, the movie. I've also always loved reading sci fi. Recently, I read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and loved it. My next read is "Ubik".

  66. Re:News for nerds? by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

    The last time I checked, a lot of us nerds like to read science fiction, and many of us are actually fans of Dick.

    If you expect to only read things you want to read, start your own damn website!

  67. UBIK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UBIK is by far the clincher for me. I am a PKD fanatic from way back. I've read everything he wrote including magazine articles and his Exegesis. Truly a genius who suffered from psychoses that we can't even imagine...fueled with LSD and whatever else he was on. But seriously, if they try to make UBIK, and try to even stay within the ozone of the original, I will truly be amazed.

  68. Re:News for nerds? by joocemann · · Score: 1

    This is news about a number of movies that nerds often watch or care about. Blade Runner, aside from being an amazing movie that is relevant even in today's world, is also the most highly sampled movie in Drum N' Bass. I'm also a DnB nerd. How's that for relevance?

    Oh.. its not linux. Sorry.

  69. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I'd kill to see Takeshi Kovacs on the big screen.

    I'd drag everyone I know to see "Altered Carbon". But it would be a shame if they did all three novels. "Woken Furies" was kind of weak.

  70. The problem is... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    The problem is, most of the adaptations, so far, sucketh mightely. I'm not talking about major changes to the story line -- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (blade runner (the director's cut)) took major liberties with the plot but was still a pretty good flick that remained true to the spirit of the story. Impostor was pretty accurate, although somewhat lackluster. But for the most part, they've just been Welfare for the Stars -- the opportunity to pay a Reeves or Affleck a bazillion dollars to wander around expressionless, mouthing banalities.

    I'd much rather see a little film with unknowns from a director that actually "gets" PKD than yet another lame "blockbuster" with a star-studded cast.

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    1. Re:The problem is... by kegon · · Score: 1

      > ... took major liberties with the plot but was still a pretty good flick that remained true to the spirit of the story.

      I know my karma will be minus infinite after saying this, but here goes: Blade Runner was an enjoyable but awful movie made from a bad screenplay written about a fantastic novel.

      BR has umpteen mistakes in it, from the number of escaped androids right at the start to the photo analysing machine that totally ignores Deckard's instructions. For example, "I don't get it, what do they risk coming back to Earth for, that's unusual" - why the hell are there Blade Runner units if it's "unusual" ?

      It's a badly made movie. Everything to do with empathy for living beings and questioning what it means to be human is reduced to a fake snake, a drunken look at some photos on a piano and Roy's monologue.

      If the screenplay writers had understood the novel they would have realised that owning an animal was a lot more than a status symbol. Likewise they would have realised the importance of the mood organ, the empathy box/Mercerism and the way that the "chickenheads" were treated. Instead of that we got one lousy unicorn sequence.

      > Impostor was pretty accurate, although somewhat lackluster.

      I think Impostor was the most accurate PKD film made yet. Minority Report and Total Recall have been the best movies based on PKD stories; Paycheck and Next were not too bad, just not great. A Scanner Darkly was a great novel but ruined as a movie.

    2. Re:The problem is... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Ok, you've proven your PKD geek cred, but let's not be disingenuous. The number of androids was an editing issue, not a script error. Ok, they should have gone back and redubbed the dialog, but it's just not that important an error. Neither is the machine going right when Deckard says go left. These don't make it a bad movie. What made the theatrical release a bad movie was that terrible ending. Thankfully fixed in the director's cut.

      The book is long and dense with subject matter. There's only so much you can cram into 117 minutes.

      From a script standpoint, Impostor was really well done. Almost word-for-word. I just think it was 45 minutes of story artificially stretched to feature length, and it dragged in spots.

      Minority report, ok. I don't like Tom Cruise, and I thought there were too many gratuitous scenes, but ok. But are you serious about Total Recall? That represents pretty much everything I don't want to see in a PKD movie. Although, I have to admit, the first 20 minutes followed the short story very closely. It was the entire rest of the film that stank.

      I'd forgotten about Next. I would grudgingly say it's worth watching. Scanner, bleh. Screamers, bleh.

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    3. Re:The problem is... by kegon · · Score: 1

      There were a lot more mistakes than the few I highlighted. The biggest mistake was cutting out all the material to do with humans feeling empathy for one another, for animals and for androids because that is a major constituent of the story and calls into question why humans are different to androids. Details such as the weird questions in the VK test, the synthetic snake and owl don't make sense without it.

      > The book is long and dense with subject matter. There's only so much you can cram into 117 minutes.

      It's quite a short book (210 pages) and not dense: it's no "Dune". Would it have taken a lot of time to have Deckard visit a pet store ? Or to have J.F. Sebastian fuse with an empathy box ?

      > But are you serious about Total Recall? That represents pretty much everything I don't want to see in a PKD movie.

      Total Recall was not a "PKD movie", Total Recall doesn't pretend to be the same story as the PKD novel; Blade Runner does.

    4. Re:The problem is... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Total Recall was not a "PKD movie", Total Recall doesn't pretend to be the same story as the PKD novel; Blade Runner does.

      If you say so. I don't remember seeing that declaration in the credits of either film. Unless you mean that since TR was a Verhoeven film, it is by definition not the same story as the source material. I might agree with that.

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    5. Re:The problem is... by kegon · · Score: 1

      I haven't clearly explained myself. Both Total Recall and Blade Runner are based on PKD short stories, as you know. You used this term "PKD movie" but such a thing doesn't exist.

      What I meant was that Blade Runner attempted to follow the story of Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep with only slight modifications to existing characters and storyline, most noticeably Luba Luft the opera singer became Zhora the stripper and J.R. Isidore the chickenhead became J.F. Sebastian the genetic designer. The screenwriters then proceeded to cut out huge chunks of context that would have had the viewer questioning whether the androids were more humans than the actual humans - a very important aspect of the story. The concept of empathy as the characteristic that most clearly defines humanity was erased, as was humans trying to connect to it through Mercerism or owning an animal. Despite Rutger Hauer's excellent monologue at the end there is nothing to compensate for these deficiencies, you are just left wondering about the weird questions in the VK test and the bizarre need for synthetic animals.

      In the case of We Can Remember It For You Wholesale, a very short and funny story bears little resemblance to the movie.

    6. Re:The problem is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"I don't get it, what do they risk coming back to Earth for, that's unusual" - why the hell are there Blade Runner units if it's "unusual"

      You're right! Also, why the shit do we have astronauts when going out into space is unusual? Damn NASA liberals wasting our tax dollars.

  71. I like Phillip K Dick, too, but this is too much by ishmalius · · Score: 1

    What irritates me is that Hollywood is scripting story after story based on his writings, to the almost total abandonment of the rest of the science fiction field. I would -love- to see something by Theodore Sturgeon or Ursula K LeGuin. (note the 'K')

    Also, Mr. Dick's dystopian futures fit too well into the "dark" theme that seems to rule at the box office. Everything must be dark, hopeless and brooding. And it's a fake, forced emotion. Too comic book-like. Enough, already!

  72. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or Eric Nylund's "Signal to Noise", but I don't think that the general audience would go for the future role reversals of the US and China... or maybe they'd learn something from it.

  73. Richard Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs trilogy by theolein · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would love to see a good rendition of Altered Carbon, Broken Angels and Woken Furies. Especially the last one was, IMO, extremely good and it would be hard to mess it up as its very action orientated and the extoic location would lend itself to special effects which big studios love so much. What would be hard to do right without a good director and actor would be the rage that the man feels. It would require someone like Daniel Craig, who really did the "man seething with rage" bit very well in a Quantum of Solace. I'm also pretty sure that the studios would not go with such a nihilistic message in a movie.

  74. Baxter... by theolein · · Score: 1

    As much as I loved the enormous spaces and times of the Xeelee sequence, I just cannot see anyone making them into a decent film. The characters in Baxter's books are often very flat but that doesn't matter much, as the hard science keeps the reader captivated. Which is something that would simply fall apart in a movie as it's very hard to bring complicated concepts across in a story.

  75. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Intron · · Score: 1

    How about some hard sci-fi on the big screen, for a effing change?

    Ringworld was optioned about 10 years ago. So far, no sign of a production.

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  76. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The broad audience likes terrible movies.

    I don't think that's true. Or at least it's a very shallow analysis of which you are equally guilty if you've been watching anything Hollywood is churning out. I'll use a car analogy since this is Slashdot.

    20% of people have a Toyota
    20% of people have a Honda
    20% of people have a GM
    20% of people have a Ford
    20% of people have some other foreign car.

    You can make a move about Toyotas that is really awesome, but only 20% of your audience will be even remotely interested.

    Or you can make a movie about Foreign cars that isn't quite as detailed and interesting, but hey, at least now you can target 3x as many people.

    Or you can make a movie thats about all cars, is really shallow, and maybe has some random hot chick and some explosion. But 100% of people can understand it and might potentially enjoy it.

    Every movie in the theater is from the 2nd and 3rd category. That doesn't mean no one has a car with a brand name on it. It just means there are no movies in the theater about the car you'd really love to see movies about.

    See also: Why The Guild isn't on network television, why independent music have experienced a huge uptick in sales now that the internet allows them to market and sell to their niche audiences, and why Hollywood and big-budget movies and prime-time TV are doomed as people segregate out into their respective niches to consume cheap high-quality content instead of big-budget low-quality content.

    Hope you enjoyed the terrible mixed car metaphor!

  77. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last thing the world needs is any further promotion of Henleins childish bullshit libertarianism.

  78. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by mgblst · · Score: 1

    Did you go see Moon, last year? No, well that is why they don't make many hard sci-fi. Because even the people who supposedly like it don't go see it.

    The book I most liked, was Lies inc. Amazing story, the first PKD that I read as well, when I was about 14. Was not expecting that.

  79. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by ErikZ · · Score: 1

    There were two "magic science" parts to Sunshine. The first using mythical "String Theory" to explain why the sun was slightly dimmer than usual.

    The second was the bomb used to break the string.

    Everything else was hard science, and pretty cool.

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  80. Nothing quite as stimulating as a good Dick story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :)

  81. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

    If you want hard sci-fi on the big screen you could certainly do a lot worse than [a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/"]Moon[/a]

    While it's a little contrived in places and suffers from that very 1980's "special effects using toys" vibe compared to most modern movies with spectacular CGI, it's charming, well written and phenomenally well played by Sam Rockwell. It definitely appeals to the classic sci-fi geek in me because the technology literally takes an huge back seat to the psychological drama that ensues, and even which is already extant at the beginning of the movie. Of course, the technology becomes a major plot point later in the movie... but that's something for which you'll have to watch the movie. I highly recommend it.

  82. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

    Gahhh... make that Moon

    I've been on too many bulletin boards lately trying to post links... :)

  83. Re:Some of P. K. Dick's stuff is great, but how ab by colonelquesadilla · · Score: 1

    Yeah and what about "The Core", that really only broke the second law of thermodynamics, and conservation of angular momentum, and had some impossible plot devices involving the internet and Xena videos, but other than that it was hard SF all the way!

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