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Iceland Votes "Já" To Proposed News Haven
eldavojohn writes "The proposed rules shielding journalists harbored in Iceland are now official. It appears that sites like Wikileaks and Cryptome could have a friendlier home base. For those familiar with the Icelandic tongue, the voting results and legalese. Some of the details can be found at www.immi.is."
It would be nice to get something like this in the US.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Seems like the "socialist" Scandinavian countries are the most honest and "free". I've visited many of them and always been received with kindness. Yes, the women are as attractive and "fun" as stereotyped. Time to investigate moving there.
According to the article, Iceland did this to make it a more desirable server location. Seems like that market can serve as an incentive for more "data friendly" laws; Here's hoping other countries follow suit.
I do not have a sig. You are hallucinating.
The proposal to draft some rules is now official. The rules themselves will now be drafted by a committee, and then the committee will present them to the legislature, which may then in the future enact them. The proposal is indeed promising, as is the strong (unanimous) support for tasking the committee with fleshing it out, but what exactly the committee will come back with could vary quite a bit.
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Nothing a little Gunboat Diplomacy couldn't resolve.
The Evil Empire will never find us here, General Assange!
"Waste not one watt!" - CZ
That will probably be all undone as a condition to EU membership (which I think is inevitable at this point).
how dare they!
...flat, drab passion meanders across the screen in reaction to this piece. And the crowd goes "Yay."
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
And nobody should know about abuses of power either. Gosh, if the American public ever found out why so much of the world hates them, what would happen then?!?
Terrorists attacked the USA, and the people have no idea why. You think "Freedom hating bastards! That's why they did it!" Perhaps if the American people understood that the government that (mis)represents them is what is getting otherwise innocent Americans killed, then it could stop.
Please Americans, you need to pull your head out of your asses! For your own good as well as the rest of us. Blind Patriotism chanting "we're number one" does not make it so. If you only knew how far from number one you actually are, you could do something about it. Reclaim that title. America was wonderful, and a land of the free. So much has been lost, and ignorance of so much around you will erode what little is left. I fear it may already be too late. I hope it is not.
Now if only Iceland hid some forgotten caches of WW2-era war-gold then it would be the perfect placr to build The Crypt
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
Posting military documents that get leaked is not just journalism and should not be protected. What gets overlooked is that most countries spy on each other, and have vast amounts of other countries encrypted mail. This is not a problem until someone leaks the actual wire. By amassing enough of these unencrypted vs. encrypted matches other countries can get a real leg up in the computing time needed to crack keys. So while the state dept might end up with egg on its face this "journalism" winds up with huge potential for dead soldiers. I'll admit this is extreme, but possible.
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...you insensitive clod!
Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone.-rms
For those small island states, especially broke ones, you need to invent a reason for people to care. This kind of freedom of speech could bring in money in one form or another and help remake Iceland. Good for them!
"Men willingly believe what they wish." - Julius Caesar
Oh, you mean racially homogeneous like the Netherlands that also have a social system quite similar to their fellow Nordic countries and lot's of emigrants?
By your chain of though, the most "racially homogeneous" (hot news man, there are not races amongst humans, there are only ethnics) of all countries in Europe, Poland should be a socialist heaven, right? Well, take a look at them.
I love when you Americans try to find excuses for why socialism in a moderate degree works better than the system you have just because of some NON issue.
I've got like, several trillion interstellar krona.
Iceland takes those, right? Right?!
Almost 20% of swedens population is of foreign origin, and that doesn't include the "paperless" or refugees that's not citizens.
Racially homogeneous? You have no idea what you're talking about. In Sweden, around 12% of the population are first generation immigrants, of which around 75% are from non-Western countries.
That's much higher than the average for Europe, with around 6% immigrants, and about the same as in the US (38 million first generation immigrants out of 307 million in 2009).
Looking at the largest Scandinavian cities, Oslo and Stockholm both have around 25% immigrants, most of whom are from non-Western countries. Compared to where I live in the US, I am the one living in a racially homogeneous area, with more than 96% crackers.
The Greater Good
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"If still these truths be held to be
Self evident."
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
How long will they be able to resist the strong arm tactics of the WTO and UN.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Doesn't the U.S. already have a law protecting journalists?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I once took an excursion to Reddit, and later HN. Unlimited up/down voting sucks when dealing with a hive-mind.
no one listens to that old rag any more. they just use it as a rhetorical bludgeon when not in power.
next you'll tell me you should have protection against warrantless searches. Good one!
"If still these truths be held to be
Self evident."
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
Aaah - of course! Brown people mixing with white people = bad. Thanks for spewing your insane racism. Fantastic work.
I would like to correct some popular myths that suicide rates are supposedly high in Scandinavia.
The following material illustrates that Scandinavia is at approximately the same levels as the US. In fact in some aspects the rates are lower in some Scandinavian countries. Norway has lower rates for male suicides than the US (15.7 vs 17.7).
Suicides per 100,000 people per year:
Scandinavian countries:
Denmark 11.9
Norway 11.5
Sweden 13.2
North American countries:
United States of America 11.0
Canada 11.3
Nordic countries:
Iceland 11.2
Finland 18.8
P.S. Finland is not Scandinavian because of its ethnic, historical and cultural background. In my opinion Finland has much more in common with its eastern neighbor, Russia, and the Baltic states. The supposedly higher alcohol consumption and cultural differences could be explanations for their higher suicide rates.
Like Finland Iceland is not considered part of Scandinavia but the wider "Nordic" category due to differences in geography and language. The three Kingdoms (DK/NO/SE) share closer ties in a historical political, economic and cultural union.
And just to make it clear with numbers that what you are saying is completely wrong and in fact bullshit. Immigrant populations for various countries. USA: 10%, Sweden: 12%, Netherlands: 10%, Norway: 8.3%, Poland: 2%. Source Wikipedia.
So the numbers show that what you say is completely wrong, a social supportive system works well in northern Europe and some of these countries have even more foreign born population living there than USA. It works, because as you can see if you actually go there, people are raised since they are born NOT to be greedy, exactly the opposite of USA. And also as can be seen, the fact a population is homogeneous (like Poland, the most homogeneous population of EU), doesn't have anything to do with the matter. So stop finding excuses, it works in here because we make it work and we believe in the system, if you don't like it, well is up to you, but if you like it and are just jealous, well, at least shut up about it, don't try to make up bullshit and lies about the reasons on why it works.
Iceland votes "yes" on proposed news haven.
In other news, yesterday US sent official greetings because of the national day June 17th, reminding Icelanders about good old times and promising friendship and support during the current financial crisis. (text Icelandic only, but there's a Hillary video)
Where did you find that particular statistic?
I can find one that points out the number of people born in foreign countries, which is 14.3% for 2009 (1,337,965 people), but not anything about where they're from.
If I do an extraction of data of people born in foreign countries, and I remove the EU countries I can remember, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Canada and Iceland, I end up with a total of 790,024 in 2009, which is 8.46% of the total population. The countries I excluded (Western countries) makes up 547.941 people. That's 41% of the entire group of foreigners, not 25% as you claim. This doesn't look at citizens vs non-citizens, just where people were born.
Now, my numbers come from Statistics Sweden, and you can easily double check them if you don't believe me. Where did you get yours?
Oh, you mean racially homogeneous like the Netherlands that also have a social system quite similar to their fellow Nordic countries and lot's of emigrants?
In all fairness, it is showing quite a few cracks at the moment. 1 in 6 voted for someone whose political ideas conflict so badly with the various freedoms(speech, religion, assembly) that the very fact he's the leader of the Freedom Party nearly caused the universe to fold in on itself from the irony.
Despite how wrong he may be about how he wants to go about thing, we have to do *something* about the current immigrant issues. What that solution is I don't know but the current situation is untenable in the long run.
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
Racially homogeneous? You have no idea what you're talking about.
Hush now. It's just the standard American Idiot response to these discussions. It comes out like clockwork Every. Single. Time. some facts/statistics are cited which point to <<non US country>> being better in the league tables of <<any quality of life indicator whatsoever>>.
Please don't burst their cute little bubble of everywhere in Europe being essentially a single extended family of identical-looking smiling brothers and sisters. Without that as an excuse for why they have poorer press freedom, incarceration rates, life expectancy, drug addiction, etc, etc, I fear the poor darlings might just implode.
So just hush up and pretend immigration and globalisation somehow escaped Europe altogether, Sweden is entirely composed of cute little matching Scandi-elves, etc.
Depending on the story we're all homogeneous or the muslims have taken over and are about to declare the caliphate at any minute!
Haha, don't worry, I didn't take offence to what you said, and as you said we're a Nordic, but not Scandinavian country. And I do agree that there's a distinct difference between Scandinavia and Finland. Also the fact that Finland was part of Russia (well some some finns like saying Russia was a part of Finland) did of course have an impact on our culture. I don't directly disagree with your other points either, but I think things might not be quite that drastic.
But my main point is that at least nowadays, I think Finland's culture is closer to Scandinavian than Russian. It's probably been getting closer for a long time. But having spent time in all the Nordic countries and Russia and Estonia, and meeting a lot of people from them, imho the difference between Scandinavia and Finland is there, but it's not that big. Compared to Swedes and Norwegians, Russians are alien to me (generalizing of course).
We still love you, Finland, we're just not the same.
To feed your fire, I just have to say, we tough finnish men don't need love. Or at least show it ;).
all the undersea cables connecting to Iceland have been 'accidentally' cut by dropped anchors.
The story is missing the part where scandinavians living in the US not only significantly outperform the US average but also their cousins still living back home.
http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/01/dynamic-america-poor-europe.html
They also have similar crime rates vis a vis scandinavia.
It would seem that there are significant benefits to Scandinavian culture, regardless of what government they're living under. Blaming the government for these benefits or faults (with the possible exception of the drug war, as that is a very direct example of state action) seems simplistic to me.
That's one big difference - in America, anyone else who is a "honkey" is considered homogenous. This is, culturally, bullshit. It's been a long time since any serious thinker thought the genetic aspects of your race matters for these things. However, your racial culture can be shown to have a huge effect.
Also, as an aside, if you do live in a part of america that is 96% white, it is very likely that your average income and crime compare relatively well to Sweden's. This is because most high crime areas in the US are confined to ethnic melting-pot style cities, and only the poorest ten or so states actually have lower per capita income than Sweden.
that's 60 years of vitriolic indoctrination for you. we're also told that we have democracy and a truly free market, if you want to get into the myths that most of the adults in this country espouse...
No clue why modded to "Redundant"; posted anonymously, but it was my first sentiment.
Iceland had wanted to join the EU. But I guess this puts an end to these plans. Well, Iceland isn't in Europe anyhow, and much of the EU seems to be having a lot of problems similar to what Iceland has been having as of late. The question then becomes, what economic value is being a 'data haven' going to bring, and how serious are they? The economic benefits only accrue when there is significant 'hosting' regulations around the world, particularly in well-off countries (which their are), and not much or not very effective 'browsing' regulations (the efficiency of existing 'great walls' can be debated). A bigger problem comes when the country becomes PRIMARILY a data haven - at that point, major censor powers will find it easy and effective to just blacklist all of the data haven's IP addresses / ASNs. This does not cut all traffic from country A (say, for instance, Pakistan) to country B (Iceland), but cuts off access to the unsophisticated Internet user, greatly lowering the economic value of being a data haven. But this may be overcome by having mirror sites and anonymizing proxies all over the world, with Iceland becoming a 'legal black hole' for subpoenas and the like.
There's an ugly side of being a data haven, beyond the normally expected ones, and that is being a spam haven. This may be where Iceland makes a lot of its money in this scheme. But the liberty afforded by their plan is so great, that spam is a minor price to pay. If they're serious, I congratulate them. If they're not, then shame on them.
Sounds a little like a Chinese talking about Taiwan...
The land of Finland was a part of Russia, the terrain of Hungary used to belong to slavic tribes... sure. But you can't deny southern Finland and Estonia are currently a distinct ethnic group both from inhabitants of Sweden and Russians. And that's the essence of my point: Finns are technically related to Hungarians. They are completely unrelated to both Swedish peoples and Russian peoples. They adapted Swedish as a second official language, as result of centuries of Swedish occupation and polluting their bloodlines by Swedes.
Of course, this is not an objective text. It's just as subjective like a text about China written from perspective of Taiwan. Just like yours only in the opposite direction.
Also, I never spoke about the German language. I talked about the ethnic groups.
I've been to Sweden, and I had a girlfriend from Finland.
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