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Knuth Plans 'Earthshaking Announcement' Wednesday

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Donald Knuth is planning to make an 'earthshaking announcement' on Wednesday, at TeX's 32nd Anniversary Celebration, on the final day of the TUG 2010 Conference. Unfortunately, nobody seems to know what it is. So far speculation ranges from proving P!=NP, to a new volume of The Art of Computer Programming, to his retirement. Maybe Duke Nukem Forever has been ported to MMIX?" Let the speculation begin.

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  1. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who is Knuth?

    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get out.

    2. Re:Who? by Snarf+You · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must be Knuth here.

    3. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer (...)

      Ah, you are forgiven, then. You don't actually need to know anything about programming.

    4. Re:Who? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes me wonder why anyone would assume everyone on ./ knows who he is, what he's done, or why we should care what he has to announce...

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up. You could be a philosopher who has never heard of Aristotle or Plato. Or a FLOSS developer who has never heard of Richard Stallman. A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack. I could go on, but I'm not sure I could find a good stopping point and I'm fighting the impulse to just be insulting. Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

    5. Re:Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

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    6. Re:Who? by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      really? i'm a delivery driver and i know who all the people listed in this post are. i don't think i've heard of donald knuth though.

      He invented the "shift" key. You might want to look it up.

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    7. Re:Who? by turing_m · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Not that surprising. Being capable of sustaining epic levels of cognitive dissonance would be needed to be able to work for Monsanto and sleep at night.

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    8. Re:Who? by eht · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

    9. Re:Who? by muckracer · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Who is Knuth?

      Some polar bear in a german zoo. People already go crazy when he doesn't speak, so yeah...imagine the earth-shakiness when he finally does!

    10. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      u can't handle the Knuth.

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    11. Re:Who? by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or, for an analogy that most Slashdotters will understand... It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

    12. Re:Who? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Well, duh. You ask a guy who does "intelligent design" for a living whether he believes in evolution. ~

    13. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes it has, actually.

      You just aren't equipped to recognize that fact.

    14. Re:Who? by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I learned how to program outside of academia, and have read Knuth. Independent study should still involve some modicum of actual study.

    15. Re:Who? by terjeber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You missed the car analogy. It'd be like a car enthusiast who's never heard of Ford. You always have to have a car analogy. It's the law!

    16. Re:Who? by bronney · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd finish half the distance of the previous step with each new step to avoid the end.

    17. Re:Who? by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Siffredi, North, Holmes (etc) are all more important.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor

      (Disclaimer: I know who Knuth is but I'm just not bothered by those that don't when there's so much porn to watch.)

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    18. Re:Who? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

      Well they do call him the primate.

    19. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's pathetic that you think nobody else can think for themselves or come up with their own ideas and breakthroughs.

      Do you honestly think that you can come up with the kind of breakthroughs that have been done in CS over the past 60 years without reading some of the literature?

      Sure, if you write some simple scripts or basic applications, you don't need to know much about algorithms, but once you start messing about with algorithms and datastructures, it pays to at least have heard of Knuth.

    20. Re:Who? by KovaaK · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as your initial step takes over half the distance of the pier, we have a deal.

    21. Re:Who? by rpresser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong.

      Yes, there's a lot of giant shoulders he stood on. But he gathered plenty of pebbles on his own -- boulders, in fact. Wrote lots of papers. Invented TeX, Metafont, literate programming, perfect shuffles. Dozens if not hundreds of original papers outside of his books.

      Do one thing for me. Spend five minutes researching before posting. Or even just one minute THINKING about what an idiot you might appear if your post is wrong.

  2. Hmmm... by Jimbob+The+Mighty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Probably that Duke Nukem Forever won't be running any dedicated servers...

    1. Re:Hmmm... by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

      My guess: Travelling Salesman died.

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  3. What I would do... by PmanAce · · Score: 5, Funny
    Step #1: Wait for him to prove and confirm P!=NP

    Step #2: Solve for N:

    So P!=NP,

    therefore P!/P=N,

    thus the Ps cancel and we are left with N=!.

    Step #3: ???

    Step #4: Profit!

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  4. I'll bet it's that by Xenophore · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX has been adopted by W3 as the new HTML 6 standard.

    1. Re:I'll bet it's that by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      \begin{awesome}

      Awesome!

      \end{awesome}

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    2. Re:I'll bet it's that by sco08y · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      If TeX is unreadable, XML is unwritable and unreadable. At any rate, TeX itself is low-level, and when you use a package like LaTeX it becomes far more user-friendly.

  5. It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it probably TeX related. I don't see Knuth going off topic so much. Of course, the TeX engine is earth in that community, so who knows?

  6. TeX by pwnies · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX 3.15 will get released. Subsequently, the universe will collapse.

    1. Re:TeX by FoolishOwl · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the new universe, trigonometry will be easier, and equations will always look good in print.

  7. Re:P!=NP by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    unless of course, your Albert Einstein, Galileo, Marie Curie, Niels Bohr, Ernst Ruska, or any number of other important members of the scientific community throughout the centuries. many of these people did not provide 'breakthroughs until well into there 30's, and most of them continued to provide useful advances in science well into there later years.

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  8. In surprising move ... by vbraga · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Knuth migrated to Word 2010.

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  9. Re:I speculate... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Funny

        I speculate it'll be something as earth shattering as the "it" announcement was, or how every person has a Segway in their home now.

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  10. But he has a deal with the Laundry by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    He has a deal with the mysterious British agency known as the Laundry. He doesn't publish the fourth volume and they don't render him metabolically inactive. Don't any of you pay attention to what Charlie Stross has to say?

  11. Re:P!=NP by LongearedBat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Breakthrough proofs tend to be completed by kids in their early to mid 20's, it's when the brain is still plastic enough for truly out of the box thinking but where enough knowledge has been gathered to actually work on the hard problems.

    Perhaps also because they actually have the opportunity.

    Older people, who may still be plenty capable while having much more experience, seldom have the opportunity (due to mortgage, family, etc.)
    Almost all incentives are given to youth (which makes sense). But older people seldom get a break. I think this, more than anything else, is what causes peoples brains to go stale.

  12. Re:That he is... by jordan_robot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

    I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for over 50 years...

  13. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A proof that P=NP would have much more potential to genuine change things simply because it would disprove a ubiquitous assumption: that P NP. Historically, when universally popular assumptions have been proven wrong, the resulting paradigm shift in the way people think about the matter produces some fascinating changes. P!=NP would give closure to an open problem but would not be so earth-changing because we already operate under the assumption that the premise is true.

  14. or just by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    drink a beer, relax, and wait until tomorrow for the announcement. Which is sure to be disappointing now.

    I predict he announces that computer programming is best practiced as a semi-automated assembly-line-style set of interchangeable tasks rather than an "art". He'll say that programming as an "art" is anachronistic. inefficient, and impractical, and that the conventional approach and the people who promote it have been holding back progress in software creation because a faster, cheaper, more modern, dumbed-down approach doesn't appeal to them professionally or aesthetically.

    And then he'll announce his new software construction method that can be done by ordinary people with a short period of training for 1/5th what computer programmers make. It works great, but it's boring and repetitive and never creative. It delivers software in a predictable amount of time with a predictable budget and reasonable (also predictable) quality. And the development costs less than half of conventional approaches.

    That's my prediction.

  15. Earthshaking? by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the boobs didn't do it, a mathematical proof won't either. :P

  16. No, no, no . . . by DowdyGoat · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's obviously figured out an algorithm to predict earthquakes, and he's determined that one will happen during or just after his presentation! And, of course, he'll announce it.

    You need to think more literally!

  17. The announcement by kaoshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    My name is Donald Knuth. And if you study with my 8 week program, you will learn a system of self defense that I developed over two seasons of fighting in the octagon! Its called Don Kwan Do!

  18. It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by Shaterri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far as I know, Knuth has done essentially zero work related to the P/NP question; a lot of algorithmics and tons of fantastic work in combinatorics, but I can't think of a single significant result he's contributed to complexity theory. While it's not impossible that he could have some sort of 'outsider breakthrough', it seems almost infinitesimally unlikely given the mathematical context and techniques that have had to be developed for similar complexity problems. My money would be on either a formal open-sourcing of the TeX codebase or the development of a full HTML5 rendering engine for TeX along the lines of the system that mathoverflow.net uses.

  19. The irony will be... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Funny

    He proves P != NP.

    Due to limitations with TeX can't be bothered to fit it into the margins

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  20. It's a new book by xiox · · Score: 5, Funny
  21. Re:P!=NP by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That age may well be when he had his insight on the speed of light being constant and time being malleable, though the actual work of course only just started.

    The insight that the speed of light is constant is somewhat older and goes back to James Clerk Maxwell, whose equations are based on a constant speed of light. The only thing that was not clear was if the speed of light is also constant under cosmic conditions. The series of Michelson's experiments to find variances in the speed of light started in 1881, and in 1892 Hendrik Antoon Lorentz in collaboration with Henri Poincaré published the Lorentz Ether Theory including the basic mathematics of Special Relativity.

    Albert Einstein's genius was thus not to postulate the constant speed of light in vacuum, or the time- and distance contractions resulting from there, but the abolishment of the ether as medium for the light.

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  22. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's Claude, you insensitive claud.

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  23. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny

    around the same level of recognition as Dijkstra, I would say.

    Bah. Knuth wrote volumes of books full of algorithms. I can't think of a single algorithm that Dijkstra ever came up with.

  24. The earth-shaking announcement is... by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    (posting this from the Sir Francis Drake Hotel)

    a successor to TeX which he has been working on for some time

    scratch tex78 and tex82

    so making up for assumptions which don't fit the internet age

    jokes about measuring and math in TeX .4pt == .3999pt

    maxdimen too small, 1sp too large

    tunnel vision caused by computers of the day

    subset of XML uses Unicode automatic everything

    all directions and all dimensions

    hypertext

    text audio video sensors GPScoords accelerometers haptics

    midi input to score and back to music

    no macros --- menu driven like Word but enhanced

    spoken command and gestures

    \i \TeX (wrapped on a sphere)

    spoken name accompanied by (optional) ringing bell

    not programmed directly

    1289 bugs in TeX
    571 bugs in metafont

    Project Marianne

    www.projectmarianne.com

    Project Biturgical

    written in Scheme using all buzzwords

    pricing - monthly subscription on cloud

    first year one month free

    pricing based on internet speed

    will change everyday

    life is too short to reread anything

    will benefit world's economy, user's can sell documents

    network of certified consultants

    online help
      - for dummies
      - for wizards
      - personalized on-line

    symbolic equations
    graphics
    maps
    satellite photos

    \i\TeX hyper document

    math mode like mathml --- must evaluate

    avatars

    hyperbolic geometry

    videoconferencing

    world-class photo retouching

    character, face, speech recignition

    cognition

    output format:
      - lasercutters
      - embroidering machines
      - 3D printers
      - plasma cutters

    interactive cookbook

    life as hypertext document

    released next month

    pending patent applications

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