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Knuth Plans 'Earthshaking Announcement' Wednesday

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Donald Knuth is planning to make an 'earthshaking announcement' on Wednesday, at TeX's 32nd Anniversary Celebration, on the final day of the TUG 2010 Conference. Unfortunately, nobody seems to know what it is. So far speculation ranges from proving P!=NP, to a new volume of The Art of Computer Programming, to his retirement. Maybe Duke Nukem Forever has been ported to MMIX?" Let the speculation begin.

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  1. Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who is Knuth?

    1. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Get out.

    2. Re:Who? by Snarf+You · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must be Knuth here.

    3. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer (...)

      Ah, you are forgiven, then. You don't actually need to know anything about programming.

    4. Re:Who? by c0d3g33k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Makes me wonder why anyone would assume everyone on ./ knows who he is, what he's done, or why we should care what he has to announce...

      Seriously? To draw a comparison, it's like being a geneticist and not knowing who Gregor Mendel is. Or a physicist/mathematician and drawing a blank when Sir Isaac Newton's name comes up. You could be a philosopher who has never heard of Aristotle or Plato. Or a FLOSS developer who has never heard of Richard Stallman. A game developer who has never heard of John Carmack. I could go on, but I'm not sure I could find a good stopping point and I'm fighting the impulse to just be insulting. Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

    5. Re:Who? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

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    6. Re:Who? by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know. The Feivel guy...

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    7. Re:Who? by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      really? i'm a delivery driver and i know who all the people listed in this post are. i don't think i've heard of donald knuth though.

      He invented the "shift" key. You might want to look it up.

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    8. Re:Who? by turing_m · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Not that surprising. Being capable of sustaining epic levels of cognitive dissonance would be needed to be able to work for Monsanto and sleep at night.

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    9. Re:Who? by eht · · Score: 4, Informative

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

    10. Re:Who? by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ***No, seriously - I've been working as a software engineer doing R&D work on complicated real time systems for years, and I'd never heard of his name***

      Sigh -- Let me guess. You've never heard of Richard Hamming either? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hamming

      It has always seemed ironic to me that no one in the business seems to have actually read Numerical Methods for Scientists and Engineers and that The Art of Computer Programming is only half finished. It's no damn wonder that nothing related to software works quite right.

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    11. Re:Who? by muckracer · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Who is Knuth?

      Some polar bear in a german zoo. People already go crazy when he doesn't speak, so yeah...imagine the earth-shakiness when he finally does!

    12. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 2, Funny

      he probably has pills to help with sleeping.

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    13. Re:Who? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      u can't handle the Knuth.

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    14. Re:Who? by StuartHankins · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or, for an analogy that most Slashdotters will understand... It's like being in porn and not knowing who Ron Jeremy or Jenna Jameson is.

    15. Re:Who? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Funny

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      Well, duh. You ask a guy who does "intelligent design" for a living whether he believes in evolution. ~

    16. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes it has, actually.

      You just aren't equipped to recognize that fact.

    17. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It might also be a case of Microsoftism, the horrible decease which makes it impossible to having ever touched an Unix system. The symptoms include thinking in terms of Powerpoint slides, writing crude mathematical formulae, suffering from CLI night terrors and considering the web as something to get late into.

    18. Re:Who? by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I learned how to program outside of academia, and have read Knuth. Independent study should still involve some modicum of actual study.

    19. Re:Who? by terjeber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You missed the car analogy. It'd be like a car enthusiast who's never heard of Ford. You always have to have a car analogy. It's the law!

    20. Re:Who? by bronney · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd finish half the distance of the previous step with each new step to avoid the end.

    21. Re:Who? by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Siffredi, North, Holmes (etc) are all more important.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor

      (Disclaimer: I know who Knuth is but I'm just not bothered by those that don't when there's so much porn to watch.)

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    22. Re:Who? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pope and the Catholic church has no problem with evolution

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

      Well they do call him the primate.

    23. Re:Who? by ldobehardcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seconded. Computer programming is math. Logic is built on the principles of mathematics, (inferring laws from properties and vice-versa, proving what we know, and describing the universe in absolute terms.) and all programs are themselves built on top of logic.

      My personal belief is that of many physicists, the entirety of the universe can be reduced to mathematical representation, and we might as well try doing it, if not to further our own understanding, then to at least have some fun along the way.

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    24. Re:Who? by eclectro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your ignorance is appalling. Please just smash your computer with a sledgehammer and go for a long walk on a short pier.

      On slashdot the standard procedure is to have them turn in their nerd card first. Then we smash their computer for them and tell them to buy an apple. In the end, it's better for everyone that way.

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    25. Re:Who? by obarthelemy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't tell anyone, but I'm a SALES REP for a consultancy that does mainly web dev, and even I know his name... You should be ashamed of yourself.. Leave your geek card at the door on your way out...

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    26. Re:Who? by Bromskloss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I talked to a guy in Saint Louis once who was a genetic engineer for Monsanto. He didn't believe in evolution.

      I don't think it's obvious that he would. I'm sure he believes that traits can be inherited and that by selecting who gets to reproduce, you can steer the new generations into having certain qualities, like breeding dogs to have long ears or whatever you fancy. Believing in evolution, on the other hand, would be to hold the position that the current plants and animals are the result of such a process, where the selection has been carried out by naturally occurring circumstances. Embracing evolution implies embracing genetics, but not the other way around.

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    27. Re:Who? by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's more like being in Jenna Jameson and not knowing what porn is.

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    28. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's pathetic that you think nobody else can think for themselves or come up with their own ideas and breakthroughs.

      Do you honestly think that you can come up with the kind of breakthroughs that have been done in CS over the past 60 years without reading some of the literature?

      Sure, if you write some simple scripts or basic applications, you don't need to know much about algorithms, but once you start messing about with algorithms and datastructures, it pays to at least have heard of Knuth.

    29. Re:Who? by KovaaK · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as your initial step takes over half the distance of the pier, we have a deal.

    30. Re:Who? by JambisJubilee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, what a troll. I guess you're the kind of guy who just "comes up" with 60+ years of rigorous research in computer science. The grandparent is an idiot because of this statement:

      I have heard of Knuth, but don't really know anything about him nor do I care to.

      You must be the most pretentious asshole programmer in the world. Not only do you think the greatest minds in your discipline have nothing to teach you, but you are actively engaged in trying NOT to learn new things.

      Great life you have ahead of you...

    31. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      \section{You are a lying sack of shit.}
      \begin{itemize}
      \item The only thing he really invented was a set of typefaces\ldots basically just some \textrm{\textit{fonts}}.
      \item Anything else that he did was \tiny{insignificant}.
      \item Just an old windbag who gets mentioned in schoolyard settings as an appeal to authority by the even more insignificant ``teachers'' working in them.
      \end{itemize}

      There. Fixed it for you.

      Sincerely,

      D. Knuth

    32. Re:Who? by mcvos · · Score: 2

      We're talking breakthrough here. You're not going to make a breakthrough in physics if you've never heard of Newton or Einstein. I doubt you can make any meaningful breakthrough in biology if you've never heard of Darwin.

      If you've never heard of the giants on whose shoulders you could stand, the very best you can hope for is to duplicate their work, and it'd be pretty arrogant to assume you can do even that.

    33. Re:Who? by rpresser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong.

      Yes, there's a lot of giant shoulders he stood on. But he gathered plenty of pebbles on his own -- boulders, in fact. Wrote lots of papers. Invented TeX, Metafont, literate programming, perfect shuffles. Dozens if not hundreds of original papers outside of his books.

      Do one thing for me. Spend five minutes researching before posting. Or even just one minute THINKING about what an idiot you might appear if your post is wrong.

  2. Likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's discovered Wu Tang and Shaolin are one and the same.

  3. Hmmm... by Jimbob+The+Mighty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Probably that Duke Nukem Forever won't be running any dedicated servers...

    1. Re:Hmmm... by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Funny

      My guess: Travelling Salesman died.

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    2. Re:Hmmm... by alexborges · · Score: 3, Funny

      A terrorist atack on the Hanoi Towers?

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  4. MMIX link fail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Probably meant to link here.

  5. What I would do... by PmanAce · · Score: 5, Funny
    Step #1: Wait for him to prove and confirm P!=NP

    Step #2: Solve for N:

    So P!=NP,

    therefore P!/P=N,

    thus the Ps cancel and we are left with N=!.

    Step #3: ???

    Step #4: Profit!

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  6. I'll bet it's that by Xenophore · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX has been adopted by W3 as the new HTML 6 standard.

    1. Re:I'll bet it's that by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      \begin{awesome}

      Awesome!

      \end{awesome}

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    2. Re:I'll bet it's that by lahvak · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe that should be

      \setupawesome[extra awesome]

      \startawesome

      Awesome!

      \stopawesome

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    3. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      As much as I like this whole "compile your text to different outputs"-thing and the results of TeX layout, the markup language is a PITA!

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    4. Re:I'll bet it's that by kikito · · Score: 2, Informative

      If we are moving away from unreadable, I'd suggest JSON or YAML, not xml.

    5. Re:I'll bet it's that by sco08y · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about TeX stopping to use this unreadable syntax and moving to xml?

      If TeX is unreadable, XML is unwritable and unreadable. At any rate, TeX itself is low-level, and when you use a package like LaTeX it becomes far more user-friendly.

    6. Re:I'll bet it's that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      As much as I like this whole "compile your text to different outputs"-thing and the results of TeX layout, the markup language is a PITA!

      <paragraph><facepalm>Of course, because XML<superscript>TM</superscript> is <font style="italicized">so</font> much <font color="red" style="boldface">better!</font></facepalm></paragraph>

    7. Re:I'll bet it's that by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I actually like how LaTeX is not WYSIWYG. Concentrating on content and then finally compile it into something ready for a professional Printshop, so I'm nor arguing on that or a general markup system.

      It may be a personal thing, but I prefer the clarity of XML. I already gave a few examples of the inconsistencies of TeX markup a few postings down.

      <foo> ALWAYS starts a block and </foo> ALWAYS ends one. And there is no other way to start a block, and no such thing as a lone opening tag. (just a way to abbreviate empty blocks)

      Special Characters ALWAYS start with & and you know you can read on until the ;

      LaTeX has fantastic results, mut the markup has no logic whatsoever!

      why is it \begin{document} and \begin{center}, but \section{title} and NOT \begin{section} ? So I not only have to remember the keywords, but also tons of stuff about their usage!

      And it is NOT easy to read for humans when half of the quotation marks actually start quotes, but the other half marks umlauts!

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  7. It's a TeX conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So it probably TeX related. I don't see Knuth going off topic so much. Of course, the TeX engine is earth in that community, so who knows?

    1. Re:It's a TeX conference by fendragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean... someone's found a bug in it?

  8. TeX by pwnies · · Score: 5, Funny

    TeX 3.15 will get released. Subsequently, the universe will collapse.

    1. Re:TeX by FoolishOwl · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the new universe, trigonometry will be easier, and equations will always look good in print.

    2. Re:TeX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. But you'll have e fingers on each hand.

    3. Re:TeX by GumphMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      He will announce that during typesetting of the next TeX version number they discovered the digits repeating!

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    4. Re:TeX by terjeber · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is 3 - always has been, always will be. Anyone who says it isn't hasn't read his (obviously not hers since that gender should not read) Bible!

    5. Re:TeX by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PI is not 3, it is not 3.14, it is not 3.1415..... (for a finite number of digits) either.

      But somehow the Bible giving an integer approximation vs. an arbitrary fractional approximation is funny. Among the wealth of issues that can be discussed about the bible with the modern sensibility this seems the less problematic one to me.

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    6. Re:TeX by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, the Bible says that if one builds a bowl w/ a certain outside diameter and a certain wall thickness, the inside circumference will be such that pi is ~3.14:

      http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm

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  9. Re:P!=NP by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    unless of course, your Albert Einstein, Galileo, Marie Curie, Niels Bohr, Ernst Ruska, or any number of other important members of the scientific community throughout the centuries. many of these people did not provide 'breakthroughs until well into there 30's, and most of them continued to provide useful advances in science well into there later years.

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  10. In surprising move ... by vbraga · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Knuth migrated to Word 2010.

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    1. Re:In surprising move ... by am+2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not aware of any way. Back when karma was still written as a number, I knew mine, and just kept count after the switch to the unspecific words.

      If anyone is interested, the reason they switched was because people complained about the following scenario:

      • Karma is at 49.
      • Post something with score 1.
      • Posting gets modded up 4 times (=> score 5)
      • Karma is capped at 50, and remains there.
      • Posting gets modded down twice (=> score 3)
      • Karma gets reduced, is now at 48, lower than the initial score, even though the posting's score is still above the initial value.

      This most likely still happens, but you can't see it any more.

  11. Re:I speculate... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Funny

        I speculate it'll be something as earth shattering as the "it" announcement was, or how every person has a Segway in their home now.

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  12. But he has a deal with the Laundry by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Funny

    He has a deal with the mysterious British agency known as the Laundry. He doesn't publish the fourth volume and they don't render him metabolically inactive. Don't any of you pay attention to what Charlie Stross has to say?

  13. Re:P!=NP by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Einsteins miracle year was when he was 22.

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  14. Re:Final TeX by Unordained · · Score: 2, Funny

    so ... you're saying Knuth finished calculating every digit of Pi?

  15. Re:P!=NP by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...And most people can speak without the aid of a speech synthesizer and can move around that have brilliant minds, yet that doesn't stop Stephen Hawking.

    We can make trends all we want but the fact is, every human is different, trends only help somewhat but there are more people who break the trend that do extraordinary work than those who follow it.

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  16. Re:P!=NP by LongearedBat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Breakthrough proofs tend to be completed by kids in their early to mid 20's, it's when the brain is still plastic enough for truly out of the box thinking but where enough knowledge has been gathered to actually work on the hard problems.

    Perhaps also because they actually have the opportunity.

    Older people, who may still be plenty capable while having much more experience, seldom have the opportunity (due to mortgage, family, etc.)
    Almost all incentives are given to youth (which makes sense). But older people seldom get a break. I think this, more than anything else, is what causes peoples brains to go stale.

  17. That he is... by Yaa+101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

    1. Re:That he is... by jordan_robot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That he is a computer simulation fooling all of us for over 50 years...

      I think you mean that we're all a computer simulation he has been running for over 50 years...

    2. Re:That he is... by Vectormatic · · Score: 2, Funny

      or perhaps WE are a computer simulation fooling him for over 50 years, but he finally figured it out...

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  18. Re:P!=NP by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, until recently a lot of them had a lack of continuing education and a lack of fresh ideas. Someone young and looking to get ahead is going to put a lot more time in classes taught by different people and keeping up to date with the trends.

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  19. Re:I speculate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    TeX to ship with iPhone.

  20. Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by coaxial · · Score: 2, Funny

    TeX version 4.0 .

    1. Re:Earthshaking at TUG 2010? by zill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know he's the authority on algorithms but I doubt he can change one of the most fundamental constant in mathematics.

  21. Re:P!=NP by bugs2squash · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The genius of it is thinking up something fantastic in your 20s, and savoring the idea for 50 years and announcing it as an older man. Damn, I wish I'd saves some of my best thinking for a rainy day.

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  22. Re:P!=NP by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Acting as an advocate for these people with your spelling, grammar and punctuation skills takes irony to epic levels.

  23. It'll be a update to the Potrzebie System by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrzebie

  24. Re:P!=NP by retchdog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More to the point, Knuth is foremost an algorithmist. I don't think he cares very much about P $\neq$ NP as an ends in itself since it is probably going to be (and certainly is expected to be) a very abstract math result without much insight into algorithms per se. It's just not his style to spend much energy on it.

    Some may laugh at this, but Knuth is a very practically-minded guy who also loves, and is quite capable of, playing with and generalizing these practical ideas and tools into theory. The "serious" attacks on P/NP are just the opposite. I'd guess he's probably taken a few cracks at it for fun and to test out new ideas, but one of them working would really be a longshot. Knuth has a LOT of ideas, but his being the _very first_ one to have the purely algorithmic insight to solve P/NP are quite slim.

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  25. Re:I don't think proving P!=NP is earthshaking by mark-t · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A proof that P=NP would have much more potential to genuine change things simply because it would disprove a ubiquitous assumption: that P NP. Historically, when universally popular assumptions have been proven wrong, the resulting paradigm shift in the way people think about the matter produces some fascinating changes. P!=NP would give closure to an open problem but would not be so earth-changing because we already operate under the assumption that the premise is true.

  26. or just by Kohath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    drink a beer, relax, and wait until tomorrow for the announcement. Which is sure to be disappointing now.

    I predict he announces that computer programming is best practiced as a semi-automated assembly-line-style set of interchangeable tasks rather than an "art". He'll say that programming as an "art" is anachronistic. inefficient, and impractical, and that the conventional approach and the people who promote it have been holding back progress in software creation because a faster, cheaper, more modern, dumbed-down approach doesn't appeal to them professionally or aesthetically.

    And then he'll announce his new software construction method that can be done by ordinary people with a short period of training for 1/5th what computer programmers make. It works great, but it's boring and repetitive and never creative. It delivers software in a predictable amount of time with a predictable budget and reasonable (also predictable) quality. And the development costs less than half of conventional approaches.

    That's my prediction.

    1. Re:or just by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I appreciate the soothsaying, but I think I speak for most on /. when I say I hope you're wrong!! (even though you are right about (most) software development)

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    2. Re:or just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, COBOL is at *least* ten years old. Certainly not worth of a "breathtaking" announcement.

    3. Re:or just by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when I say I hope you're wrong

      Miscrosoft has been in the camp to try to simplify programming for years to make it more accessible. They have been failing miserably, getting stuck in often dead ends and each "developer congress" they announce their new approaches, idea's, trends, ... and each year I think "yes, I can see where this need was and why the implemented this approach or feature", yet when you try to use much of it, it's like all other software.

      They have been doing this for years, still fail (while making progress) and maybe cashing in on the "education/certification industry" around it (see, people need to know as well how to do all these nifte tricks someone thought up and implemented, and how they were implemented), trickle feeding that as well, ok.

      But my point being; Microsoft has a incredible batch of programmers and theorists working for them (you cannot disregard those geeks) and they are focussed on "making development easier" (because it means more tie-in for endusers, right?) but they cannot do it in the way described above, while throwing resources and cash at it pretty high priority.

      So will this one guy tackle all those problems piles of bright people have applied themselves to? no.

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  27. Earthshaking? by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the boobs didn't do it, a mathematical proof won't either. :P

  28. MMIX? MMX? by retchdog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I get the sense that this is a tongue-in-cheek announcement? It's 2010, so maybe it'll be the MMX machine?

    Let's see. Wednesday: July 7, 2010 = 7-7-7DA. 20th anniversary of TeX. Hmm. I can't figure it out, but I'd put my money on an elegant technical curiosity which doubles as elaborate pun and extended joke, kind of like MMIX.

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  29. No, no, no . . . by DowdyGoat · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's obviously figured out an algorithm to predict earthquakes, and he's determined that one will happen during or just after his presentation! And, of course, he'll announce it.

    You need to think more literally!

  30. <--- Flamewar starts here by SpazmodeusG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Knuth doesn't stand out amongst his peers in his field as much as those examples you've mentioned. Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_scientists

    (disclaimer: i knew who Knuth was but i'm just not bothered by those that don't when there are so many prominent computer scientists)

  31. The announcement by kaoshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    My name is Donald Knuth. And if you study with my 8 week program, you will learn a system of self defense that I developed over two seasons of fighting in the octagon! Its called Don Kwan Do!

  32. It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by Shaterri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So far as I know, Knuth has done essentially zero work related to the P/NP question; a lot of algorithmics and tons of fantastic work in combinatorics, but I can't think of a single significant result he's contributed to complexity theory. While it's not impossible that he could have some sort of 'outsider breakthrough', it seems almost infinitesimally unlikely given the mathematical context and techniques that have had to be developed for similar complexity problems. My money would be on either a formal open-sourcing of the TeX codebase or the development of a full HTML5 rendering engine for TeX along the lines of the system that mathoverflow.net uses.

    1. Re:It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP... by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's highly unlikely to be P!=NP

      Ok, what about P=NP, then?

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  33. The irony will be... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Funny

    He proves P != NP.

    Due to limitations with TeX can't be bothered to fit it into the margins

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  34. He's Gay by Bitmanhome · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Amazing" Randi helped him find out.

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  35. Keeping up with times! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Funny

    A new edition of TAoCP will be announced, with all code snippets rewritten in JavaScript.

  36. Re:I speculate... by sheriff_p · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when we were all agog about Linus working for some breakthrough company that was going to change everything forever, and in fact, was just TransMeta?

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  37. He's going to grow a beard like everyone else! by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is what he looks like:
    http://www.codethinked.com/image.axd?picture=WindowsLiveWriter/TheProgrammerDressCode_10D17/knuth_don_2f874343-5a7b-4b33-823a-b18a84849447.jpg

    Now compare him with everyone else - they've all got face hair:
    http://www.codethinked.com/post/2007/12/06/The-Programmer-Dress-Code.aspx Edsger Dijkstra (come on ...), Alan Kay (oop), Bjarne Stroustrup (c++), Brian Kernighan (unix, c), Dennis Ritchie (c), Ken Thompson (unix), John McCarthy (lisp), Richard Stallman (gnu), Steve Wozniak (apple), Larry Wall (perl), Alan Cox (linux kernel), James Gosling (java), Grady Booch (uml), "Maddog" Jon Hall (linux intl), Manuel Blum (cryptography), Robin Milner (ml), Philip Wadler (haskell, xquery), Jaron Lanier (virtual reality), Niklaus Wirth (Euler, Algol W, Pascal, Modula, Modula-2, Oberon), C.A.R. Hoare (quicksort), Robert Tarjan (splay trees), Dan Bricklin (visicalc), Phil Katz (pkzip), Jon Postel (rfc), Larry Ellson (oracle).

  38. Re:P!=NP by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > but his being the _very first_ one to have the purely algorithmic insight to solve P/NP are quite slim

    And the most likely result, in this case, would be that he would prove P = NP (by displaying an polynomial-time algorithm he has discovered for a problem in NP), not P != NP (the proof of which, AFAICS, requires deep mathematical reasoning, not algorithmic prowess).

    And, yes, I know that most people believe that P != NP.

  39. Re:P!=NP by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Informative

    1905 was special rel, Brownian motion, and the photoelectric effect. Three papers any one of which was a massive advance: that's why it's referred to as his miracle year.

  40. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by glwtta · · Score: 3, Informative

    Peers such as Turing, Shannon, Dijkstra, Boole, Babbage, von Neumann, Hopper... (etc.) are all more important

    Well yeah, if those are his peers, he does stand out from the rest of that Wikipedia list. And he definitely belongs on that short list, obviously after Turing and Church - and after Euler, Shannon, Boole, etc - around the same level of recognition as Dijkstra, I would say.

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  41. Re:John Carmack by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Works on space projects and still designs game engines.

    He also married one of the world's most awesome women, Anna Kang. On their honeymoon, she let a pair of computers be set up in the hotel room so that he could program when the mood struck him. No woman I know would allow such a thing to happen.

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  42. Hold on... by Roy+van+Rijn · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a conference for TeX? That's an earth shattering thought on its own!

  43. Re:P!=NP by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a big gamble in science. Imagine you're prepping something to be unveiled for your 50th birthday, only to hear on your 48th that someone else published it.

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  44. Re:P!=NP by monoi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that one of Einstein's most lasting and relevant contribution to modern Physics is in fact general relativity, in the form of the Einstein field equations. Which he published (correctly) in November 1915, when he was 36.

  45. It's a new book by xiox · · Score: 5, Funny
  46. Re:P!=NP by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That age may well be when he had his insight on the speed of light being constant and time being malleable, though the actual work of course only just started.

    The insight that the speed of light is constant is somewhat older and goes back to James Clerk Maxwell, whose equations are based on a constant speed of light. The only thing that was not clear was if the speed of light is also constant under cosmic conditions. The series of Michelson's experiments to find variances in the speed of light started in 1881, and in 1892 Hendrik Antoon Lorentz in collaboration with Henri Poincaré published the Lorentz Ether Theory including the basic mathematics of Special Relativity.

    Albert Einstein's genius was thus not to postulate the constant speed of light in vacuum, or the time- and distance contractions resulting from there, but the abolishment of the ether as medium for the light.

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  47. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's Claude, you insensitive claud.

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  48. Re:I speculate... by SwedishCoward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, it's a new device called iTeX.

  49. Re:P!=NP by mcvos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Einstein didn't develop quantum mechanics, he was actually an opponent of it (his famous "god does not play dice" quote is a direct criticism of QM in fact).

    It is of course a lot more complicated than that. He objected to some aspects of QM[*], but he also was the one who proposed the very first basics of what was to become QM, and he did quite a lot of work on it.

    [*] The philosophical implications of the uncertainty and randomness, especially. He didn't deny the results, but he assumed there was some deterministic layer below it that would someday be discovered.

  50. Re:I speculate... by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given that Knuth doesn't have an email account, I'm betting it's one of these:

    - Knuth now has his secretary sending tweets for him.
    - Knuth got a Facebook account. It's literally a book of faces.
    - Knuth has convinced his secretary to view the most popular YouTube videos on a daily basis, and then act them out. (Her kitten impressions are awesome.)

    But seriously, I'm hoping that he's releasing his works under creative commons. Bibles are free in hotels, but if you want the bible of programming and algorithms, you have to pay $70 per volume!

  51. Re:John Carmack by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I'm working on a IT-department: those type of women would encourage it, but I do not want those women for other reasons.

    ..because they are all pre-op?

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  52. Re:P!=NP by hitmark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    one potential worry today tho is the lack of "downtime". That is, there are so many ways for us to not be bored that we basically have no real time to sit down and form grand mental models.

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  53. Re:It is a TEX forum by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Informative

    XeTeX has already been around for a while now and typesets all the Unicode you want painlessly.

  54. Re:Somebody found a bug in TeX? by terjeber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He has announced it, and he has paid. Many times. For some reason people rarely cached his checks but stuck them in frames instead. Since pictures of these ended up on the web, Knuth had to stop sending out checks. These days you can get a check from the Bank of San Seriffe instead.

  55. Re:P!=NP by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful
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  56. Re:--- Flamewar starts here by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny

    around the same level of recognition as Dijkstra, I would say.

    Bah. Knuth wrote volumes of books full of algorithms. I can't think of a single algorithm that Dijkstra ever came up with.

  57. Re:P!=NP by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given that Knuth was actually replaced by a self-aware TeX macro some years ago, there is no reason to expect an future productivity decline...

  58. MOD PARENT UP by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sums up the whole thread. This is also the main argument against constructivist teaching, on which, for example, the failing modern Spanish education system is built upon.

  59. The earth-shaking announcement is... by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

    (posting this from the Sir Francis Drake Hotel)

    a successor to TeX which he has been working on for some time

    scratch tex78 and tex82

    so making up for assumptions which don't fit the internet age

    jokes about measuring and math in TeX .4pt == .3999pt

    maxdimen too small, 1sp too large

    tunnel vision caused by computers of the day

    subset of XML uses Unicode automatic everything

    all directions and all dimensions

    hypertext

    text audio video sensors GPScoords accelerometers haptics

    midi input to score and back to music

    no macros --- menu driven like Word but enhanced

    spoken command and gestures

    \i \TeX (wrapped on a sphere)

    spoken name accompanied by (optional) ringing bell

    not programmed directly

    1289 bugs in TeX
    571 bugs in metafont

    Project Marianne

    www.projectmarianne.com

    Project Biturgical

    written in Scheme using all buzzwords

    pricing - monthly subscription on cloud

    first year one month free

    pricing based on internet speed

    will change everyday

    life is too short to reread anything

    will benefit world's economy, user's can sell documents

    network of certified consultants

    online help
      - for dummies
      - for wizards
      - personalized on-line

    symbolic equations
    graphics
    maps
    satellite photos

    \i\TeX hyper document

    math mode like mathml --- must evaluate

    avatars

    hyperbolic geometry

    videoconferencing

    world-class photo retouching

    character, face, speech recignition

    cognition

    output format:
      - lasercutters
      - embroidering machines
      - 3D printers
      - plasma cutters

    interactive cookbook

    life as hypertext document

    released next month

    pending patent applications

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  60. Just an ad by bjs555 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Disappointing. I feel manipulated, but at least by someone with obvious high intellect.

  61. Didn't feel the earth shake by virtigex · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to a participant "Oh, guess he's done. Knuth apparently decided to use TUG 2010 to troll everyone."