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Wine 1.2 Released
David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."
DirectX 10 is getting better.
I wish someone would port Wine to WindowsXP.
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That's what wineprefix is for.
Well, that and copious amounts of prayer.
Long ago when I first switched to Linux I made the decision that I would not run a dual boot environment and would instead use Wine to run my apps I NEEDED from Windows on my Linux machine.
Fast forward six months from that switch, I removed the NEEDED applications because I found better ones (hello GnuCash) and haven't used a Windows application or required Wine since then, that was almost 3 or 4 years ago now when I fully switched my desktop to Linux.
I think Wine needs a usability team. Some kind of gui/tooling to make things easier for newbies to Wine.
New things are always on the horizon
Apart from running pretty much any Windows application
Except the one you want to run requires about 5 hours of fucking around with Wine only to get about 70% of the functionality working and only 40% of the performance despite having being listed as GOLD PLATINUM UNOBTAINIUM in the wine-db. Hurray!
Yeah! Something with a GUI front end, and separate windows for each program... and a start menu. Oh, wait.
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buy crossover. That is why they sell it.
The answer is: Yes. I raid 25/10's under wine with no problem. Most games I've tried work just fine.
Heck, even ~80% of the steam games I've tried have worked without any tweaking needed.
That is exactly why Codeweavers makes money. And it is not even that expensive ...
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Right, along with a native windows manager. Perhaps some kind of "task-bar" where we can see those windows and what they are doing. Of course we'll need a "task-manager" to control them. We'll also need some way to explore all those files, perhaps a "explorer." I'd also like a built in browser, or some way to "explore" the "internet." When we're done we should change the name of the project to reflect its new capabilities. How about a new acronym:
W ine
I is
N not a
D dumb
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Yes! That's the ticket! Now lets charge $199 a copy and get rich!
IE 7 and 8 are not usable, but that has nothing to do with Wine.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Then it might be time to change banks.
I know I would if my bank forced me to use IE.
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Google ies4linux...
It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie.
That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).
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I think Wine needs a usability team. Some kind of gui/tooling to make things easier for newbies to Wine.
The vineyard project is working on that, I believe: http://vineyardproject.org/
Obvious solution: Virtual box under linux will let you run whatever windows you want. Its graphic drivers are not good enough for most new 3D games (yet), but it certainly will let you do online banking...
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AFAIK Wine and Cedega are still ahead of virtual machines in terms of graphics drivers and gaming. Wine is far from dead.
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Wow, brings memories of the pre-1.0 phase. Do you remember when only the most basic apps would run in WINE and required a lot of tweaking? Nowadays I can run most apps but Game Maker (Like Hydorah, Spelunky, etc) based games. Even painting and music apps, or games like Touhou or other doujin arcade games work practically out of the box (mostly requiring directx 9 runtimes). I don't play much mainstream, but I have been satisfied with my indie/arcade gaming needs and WINE.
This is only going to get better with time, and I am kind of happy about it. Years ago I had to use virtualbox or use my laptop to run simplistic apps reliably, and it's not the case anymore (in my use case at least, you know, generalizing, anecdotal evidence, your mileage may vary, etc)
I saw recently that a fix went in to make shadows work correctly in SC2. I guess that probably means it works ok.
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Wine doesn't do .NET at all, AFAIK
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No. From what I've seen, Wine has acquired more and more users recently. You can clearly see that based on forum activity or even commit numbers.
Virtual Machines are slow, no matter what. They require a windows license and they suck when it comes to D3D and even OpenGL. Wine fixes that. It is POSIX-compatible, AFAIK, and it is an excellent study case. It helps people migrate to differet OS/es and it doesn't eat up half your RAM just to launch a crapload of services that come in your typical Windows installation. I've tried both things: VMs and Wine. Once I saw how faster Wine was, and how it never crashed my system, in contrast to the many BSODs I got with games in the VM (direct accelaration enabled), I never looked back.
Also, I like being able to quirk with Wine's code. If I don't like something in an app, I debug it and change Wine to have fun. I can't do that in a VM unless I recompile some core libs (or port Wine's to Windows), but that would be stupid.
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Just the other day i discovered Play On Linux which fits this need.
While games are a primary feature it includes support for many of the common apps as well.
In addition to apps with built in support you can find scripts in their forum for recent versions of Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and the like
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I have Beta for SCII and it's working just fine for me. (Geforce GTX260, Core2 Quad Q8300, 8GB Ram, Feodora 13 x86_64, Wine 1.2.0) WoW:Cataclysm also works quite well.
You want Crossover.
(Buying Crossover funds Wine, by the way - half the Wine devs work for Codeweavers.)
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....with a GUI front end....
Built with Visual Basic I hope!!
That is exactly why Codeweavers makes money. And it is not even that expensive ...
Yeah it's basically me and the Vineyard author working on Wine usability at this point (Hopefully I can get Vineyard more or less finalized for inclusion in Ubuntu 10.10)
Google ies4linux... It's a bundle of wine designed specifically to run various versions of ie. That said, can't you move to another bank? all the banks i've used here work fine with both safari and firefox (havent tried accessing them from anything else).
Don't do this, the correct way to run IE these days is to get winetricks and run it, then tick the box for either ie6 or ie7, and then run it with "wine iexplore"
As we're referring to IE, the antecedent of your proposition is false therefore the consequent does not apply.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
Hopefully the wine project and Valve are working together on this and that linux version of steam pops up soon. I installed DAO via steam in linux the other day and there was an intermediate step about configuring wine (in the windows version of steam) that gives me some hope.
Anyone expecting their 20-year-old legacy system to run on a modern OS is insane. It may be desirable, but you have to accept that if you cling to a legacy system you will have to deal with the increasing support costs for it.
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...or a Linux user. DOSEMU+FreeDOS is awesome for old apps (games still run better in DOSBox, though).
With all due respect, Crossover sucks when it comes to usability. Managing Windows/Linux shortcuts seems to be a joke, at best. The documentation on cxmenu is, to put it nicely, utterly confusing. cxsetup really sucks when it comes to doing all sorts of the regular things you'd expect to be able to do--as much as I like bottles, most the time one is left fiddling on the command-line to actually setup bottles in some sensible fashion because crossover seems heavily designed with the mentality that having separate bottles as a default is some sort of unusual thing.
Then there's the cxinstallwizard, which is geared to Crossover supported programs. If you use one of those apps, then great, Crossover might be for you. If you're like me, and you run all sorts of unsupported programs which means you're left to your own devices, for the most part (yes, technically you can use the cxinstallwizard, but it's generally faster and easier to run an installer from the command-line).
I'm not trying to be all down about Crossover, really. It's just that I'd say Crossover is geared more towards people who want to pay to be guaranteed a fixed set of programs will work. Usability as a general point is rather lacking, primarily in how well Crossover features interact (have fun fiddling around with the whole menus thing so your bottles don't get intermingled in bad ways) and how rather blah things are even when they do work compared to a general expectation of how well they should work (random long pauses in the UI when opening dialogs because seemingly near everything relies upon spawning separate crossover win32 apps to gather data).
Really, a bit better documentation and a generic Crossover terminal for executing Crosover apps in different bottles would probably be more usable. :/
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Hmm, wasn't Quickbooks the one with the ugly DRM that infected the master boot record? Small wonder it's taking so long to port...
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It appears your point is that IE doesn't work in the first place. In that case, does IE fail on Wine in the same ways that it fails on Windows?
http://www.wine-doors.org/ (i've never used it.)
Site returns:
"Very very broken and I don't have time to fix it."
Which pretty much says it all.
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I do half my work using 1980s DTP software (Ventura GEM). Runs in XP fine full screen in glorious VGA resolution. Prints to Postscript which my HP laser can print as-is; and I can convert to to PDF if I need to exchange files with anyone.
Old software doesn't wear out; it just gets faster as hardware gets exponentially more powerful.
But I will look at running it under Wine, probably a safer bet in the long term than hoping Microsoft doesn't break it.
One valuable aspect of Wine, particular the major releases like 1.2, is that it provides an API that developers can target to easily create Linux versions of their Windows programs. As nice as it would be if developers would make a fully native port of their application for Linux, it's often more practical to get something that works passably by tweaking an existing program to work with Wine. Sometimes these can even be compiled against Winelib to create an ELF binary.
Seriously, I get a little tired of the "Ahhh MS has left XP behind!" types. Ok, I will give some credit initially. When Vista launched it required a heavy amount of resources for the day, and many people felt it was a poor OS (I disagree with most of their claims, but regardless). Fine, however now 7 is out. It has received large amount of acclaim as a good OS, is less resource intensive at the low end, and driver support is quite good. It is a very worthwhile upgrade, if you want to support new systems.
Also, XP is being discontinued. Support runs out in 2014. While that isn't critically close, it means it is time to look at beginning to retire XP systems so by the time 2014 gets here, it is a non-issue.
So, if you want to run DX 10 or 11 software, get 7. It is a good OS, and you've no real excuse. If your system has hardware powerful enough to run those apps at usable speed, it is powerful enough to run 7 no problem.
You cannot expect support and new features in old software forever, unless you pay a hefty maintenance fee (and even then you don't always ge tnew features). XP is nearly 10 years old. time to put it to rest on new systems and use 7.
Wine, and in particular Wine fanboys, sell it as a sure fire way to run Windows apps on Linux. They happily point to success stories and say "See you can ditch Windows, just run your stuff in Wine! Look how well Office runs!" People then try it and discover three things:
1) It is complex as all get out. You don't just go and start Wine and run a Windows installer to put your application on. No, it is way fucking complex in many cases. Even people familiar with virtualization are amazed at how complex it gets.
2) It works poorly in many cases. A "working" app in Wine speak seems to mean "runs". It may have massive glitches. Most people take working to mean "Works fully with some minor glitches." Even so of the top apps have some rather noticeable glitches.
3) Plenty of stuff doesn't work at all, and there's no readily apparent reason. It just fails.
For example I was trying to move to a Linux desktop at work, to learn more about Linux and its working in our setup. However, being work, I had to be able to get everything done. So I tried Linux AV software and it was crap, couldn't do what I needed to do. I went and asked our Linux head if he'd be willing to help see if Wine could run Sony Vegas. He said sure. After 3 days of fairly intense work and research, he said no, he could find no way to make it run. He was pretty good too, he didn't blow this off he really tried.
So that's why people get mad. Wine shouldn't be marketed as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine is more of an experimental program that can help some Windows software run sometimes. If you want to get your hands dirty and mess around with some complex stuff, maybe it can make things happen. However it is not a friendly compatibility layer that you install and suddenly Windows apps can be run just like on Windows with ease.
People get mad because it is oversold, and because it is something they want. They hear "Windows on Linux," and get all excited. They can use Linux now and not have to sacrifice their computer experience. Then they try it and find no, they can't actually and get real angry.
I'd be much obliged if you could point out a source for that.
Everything I can find on the subject indicates that you can use Mono, or you can use Wine to install MS .NET. I see nothing about Wine having it's own implementation, and it would seem to be rather redundant.
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Wine Doors (and the supporting website linked above) has had a lot of trouble in the past keeping the website running, probably due to its popularity climbing above the level of obscurity required to keep the webserver from melting. The app itself was a Ports-like system for Wine. They kept a repository of customized scripts that would help users install certain free applications, like Notepad++ or even the World of Warcraft Trial, with a click. I personally wasn't very impressed by the size of the repository, and the software was flaky even on the days when the online repository (hosted on the same server as their website) was running properly... but sometimes it worked, in controlled circumstances.
Wine proper has excellent technical merits. Most of my lasting complaints about Wine involve usability and desktop integration, and those complaints are at least addressed by the Vineyard project and/or Crossover's value-added products.
The question was about a 20 year old app on a modern OS, not about a 20 year old app on a new version of the same OS. On *BSD and Linux, I can still run apps written for SCO UNIX or SysV, for example. I can run any of the Win3.x software I've tried under WINE on my Mac.
I can even run DOS and Commodore 64 software under emulation. Really, there's no reason not to expect 20 year old software to work. It's 5-10 year old apps that are likely to be a problem.
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Get an account with a real bank and keep the crappy account. Deposit checks and then transfer out to your real bank, transfer in when you need cash (or just use your debit).
In the modern world where you can use your debit card pretty much anywhere for any purchase of 50 cents or more with no fees how often do you really need cash? For that matter, unless you are running a business, how often do you receive cash and checks? Or really cash, you can mail check deposits.
If you absolutely have to have a physical presence I'd couple it with a real account and use it for temporary funds holding. Maybe attach it to an all digital account.
I really can't see any point in this anymore, it takes forever to get the configuration correct to run crud like notepad.exe.
How many years has it been since you've tried running Wine?!
I mean, sheesh, sure, it doesn't run anything and everything. But the project certainly made leaps and bounds in compatibility and what *can* be run.
I am not devoid of humor.
File a bug to the Rhythmbox devs?
iTunes seems to work fairly, but don't get your hopes up getting the software to actually detect your hardware. Windows USB driver support is actually out of WIne's scope, but surprisingly enough, still being implemented. It's just not in the official release yet.
I am not devoid of humor.
they did a big re-write that's almost over, give it a year and something interesting might be happening
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Honestly, what the hell is the point of Xubuntu?
The words of a man who walks in with a predetermined opinion and never tries the actual product. Speed is a bullet point, but not a reason in itself to switch. Yes, there are a *number* of reasons to at least try out XFCE.
I just switched to XFCE recently on my netbook after being a Gnome user for 3-4 years. There are definitely reasons enough for it to exist and those reasons will amplify when Gnome 3.0 hits.
It is amazing how many gconf options for gnome are broken nowadays. Can't turn off the desktop because nautilus will be forever restarted to the detriment of your CPU. You set sloppy focus and to only raise the windows when you click, then windows will never come forward even when you click them in the gnome panel. You remove the notification area, and that bug means that you have no access at all to some windows when they are minimized. It's a buggy mess.
Then there are the large number of forced dependencies. You use a vanilla install of gnome, and you have Epiphany/Evolution forced on you. Evolution being the more annoying one. You can't remove them either because they are part of the Gnome base dependencies.
There are enough differences to make the existance of XFCE worth it. That is probably why it still has developers.
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Except of course if you check the radio button under:
Windows Explorer -> Organize -> Folder and search options -> Search -> Always search file names and contents.
Why this is not default is probably because MS thought people won't want to search inside files for non-indexed directories.
After you choose that, searching for something searches files and contents. Searching for name:somefilename will search for "somefilename" in filenames.
Also check this out for some more advanced search syntax.
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