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Wine 1.2 Released
David Gerard writes "Stuck with that one Windows app you can't get rid of? Rejoice — Wine 1.2 is officially released! Apart from running pretty much any Windows application on Unix better than 1.0 (from 2008), major new features include 64-bit support, bi-directional text, and translation into thirty languages. And, of course, DirectX 9 is well-supported and DirectX 10 is getting better. Packages should hit the distros over the weekend, or you can get the source now."
DirectX 10 is getting better.
I wish someone would port Wine to WindowsXP.
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except the 1 I usually want to run
I keep fooling myself into thinking that software X is going to run on wine, then I usually end up wasting a lot of time trying to get it to run while borking every other program that it used to run
Has this really gotten that much better for games since about a year ago when I last checked it? Back then it seemed like only the major stuff worked like counter strike, WoW and maybe every other source game was at least passable. I don't even know if TF2 worked that well when I checked it out.
Oh quit w(h)ining already.
Long ago when I first switched to Linux I made the decision that I would not run a dual boot environment and would instead use Wine to run my apps I NEEDED from Windows on my Linux machine.
Fast forward six months from that switch, I removed the NEEDED applications because I found better ones (hello GnuCash) and haven't used a Windows application or required Wine since then, that was almost 3 or 4 years ago now when I fully switched my desktop to Linux.
Apart from running pretty much any Windows application
Except the one you want to run requires about 5 hours of fucking around with Wine only to get about 70% of the functionality working and only 40% of the performance despite having being listed as GOLD PLATINUM UNOBTAINIUM in the wine-db. Hurray!
I've played around with wine for IE, but not had much luck, and my bank is IE only :(. Back to Windows...
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My copy of World of Warcraft (from Classic / Vanilla to WotLK) has never seen a Windows system thanks to Wine.
I've been dual booting Windows and Linux ever since I first got into Linux because of various music applications that I needed for school (Finale, McGamut, etc.). To this day I still reboot to play League of Legends, my games on Steam, and talk to friends on Vent. I don't know about Steam, but with this new release I think I may try to get Vent and League of Legends running on my Slackware installation.
I can play Solitare on linux!
Oh, wait....
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
i thought people were all about VM's now
Windows for $10? Where?
Besides, if it runs, it's faster to run the app on Wine than on a VM. Personally, for the random app I might need to run, Wine has been flawless.
Besides, Wine is more than the binary: winelib is an important part, as it allows programmers to port Windows software more easily, if they didn't start the project with portability in mind.
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The only thing I use wine for is to play StarCraft, which it does really well. I don't know how good Wine 1.2 is, but call me when it supports StarCraft II.
Does Wine have higher compatibility with "mono" apps than mono? By "mono" I mean C#/.net application developed on Windows.
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
AFAIK Wine and Cedega are still ahead of virtual machines in terms of graphics drivers and gaming. Wine is far from dead.
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Wow, brings memories of the pre-1.0 phase. Do you remember when only the most basic apps would run in WINE and required a lot of tweaking? Nowadays I can run most apps but Game Maker (Like Hydorah, Spelunky, etc) based games. Even painting and music apps, or games like Touhou or other doujin arcade games work practically out of the box (mostly requiring directx 9 runtimes). I don't play much mainstream, but I have been satisfied with my indie/arcade gaming needs and WINE.
This is only going to get better with time, and I am kind of happy about it. Years ago I had to use virtualbox or use my laptop to run simplistic apps reliably, and it's not the case anymore (in my use case at least, you know, generalizing, anecdotal evidence, your mileage may vary, etc)
I'm not even going to check the website. Pretty much everything worth running already works, except Quickbooks. That's the game killer for real desktop adoption. I completely understand why it's nearly impossible to make it happen, but It would sure be nice if Quickbooks completely worked.
Yea, you could _maybe_ find a copy of Windows 98 for $10...which isn't a bad idea, but I find that the apps that will run on that are also the apps than run flawlessly on Wine. Or Dosbox. Unless it's a pirated copy, there's no way in hell you're getting WinXP, Vista, or 7 for $10. More like $100+. And if you're gonna go pirated, you might as well just go to TPB and get it free.
I'm running Mass Effect 2 quite well.
Ubuntu 9.10 + Nvidia drivers.
Get steam and download a demo for a game if you want to see if it works for you.
Just the other day i discovered Play On Linux which fits this need.
While games are a primary feature it includes support for many of the common apps as well.
In addition to apps with built in support you can find scripts in their forum for recent versions of Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and the like
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Okay, fuck. Well, at least go out and post FUD and outright lies
You mean like you just did by making up this bullshit?
So now I've got Wine running Cygwin which is running Wine which is running Cygwin, etc., down to 37 layers deep, after which it hangs. I've heard that if I get to 42 layers it will rip a hole in the space-time continuum and collapse the black hole that contains our universe. I'm guessing that would be a bad thing.
Qemu compiled on a MIPS let's someone run/translate a Wine compiled for x86 Linux that in-effect run a Win32 Starcraft.
I'm recently buying one of these Linux-based MIPS embedded specialty computers and just want to touch base wether anyone has tried this yet. I know DosEMU is slow, so I can't try much of that. Tho Xevil, Abuse, NetHack, and Quake2 is man-tier for native Linux use on this handheld.
Vista brings much grief when I attempt to fullscreen my shell sessions even without any games or graphics at all. It's MS's best-kept secret (on the topic of backwards compatibility failure, of course)
What? I thought DosEmu only worked in Virtual 8086 mode in i386 (or above) processors. Perhaps you are talking about DosBox.
Yea, you could _maybe_ find a copy of Windows 98 for $10...which isn't a bad idea, but I find that the apps that will run on that are also the apps than run flawlessly on Wine
Ironically, I have difficulty running apps that old on my setup, because win16 is broken on macosx.
Success stories? For giggles and grins I ran DVDShrink and ImgBurn under Wine on my Debian system, to see how ripping^h^h^h^h^h backing up my DVDs would go. Ran flawlessly every time. Not one single tweak was needed.
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Hopefully the wine project and Valve are working together on this and that linux version of steam pops up soon. I installed DAO via steam in linux the other day and there was an intermediate step about configuring wine (in the windows version of steam) that gives me some hope.
Hmm. I see the Wintrolls got mod points this week.
By the way, don't pretend you don't exist. I used to work for a company that worked closely with Microsoft, and they *admitted* they do exactly what I describe -- trolling boards to make their products seem much better by comparison (when they're really not). So don't give me this "you made this up" garbage.
Sad that MS trolls are so afraid of this that they'll mod down an AC from 0 to -1 just to make sure as few people as possible see it.
Soo...Wine actually works now? Because for the entirety of the 90's and into the 2000s it really didn't work that well, yet I was constantly being told by linux fanatics how it could run everything, even though it could run almost nothing properly.
Google refuses to release a Linux version of SketchUp. Even though SketchUp is the editor for Google Earth, and that whole sector of Google's products and services.
SketchUp 7 doesn't work so well on Wine. Not with an Intel embedded graphics chip, anyway. Yeah, I could get a new PC with a new graphics chip, but the old one works well except for these kinds of occasional incompatibilities. Everything else I use in software is free/OSS, so I don't feel like spending money on new HW to run the free SW.
Does Wine 1.2 run SketchUp now? If not, how do we get Google to either release a Linux version, or patch Wine to make it work?
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I use both Wine and VirtualBox for very limited purposes. I have a very old Windows program (actually 2) that I use for translation purposes that I run in Wine. The original companies went out of business, but I'm fairly sure I could find a more up to date program to do what these programs do. But these old programs still suit my needs and really don't see a need to buy another program (there is no Linux version of either of these programs that would do, otherwise I'd be using them, I suppose). The other translation program I have won't run in Wine. I have to use a full VM for it (Trados, for the curious).
I really dislike having to fire up a full VM for that one program, but it's still sort of an industry standard. If I could get it running in Wine, I would rather do that than have to run a VM. Thankfully, I don't need it all that often.
I have to admit, I really don't see the point of Wine. If you want to run Windows apps, why not use Windows?
Maybe not
Since the only reason I need Windows apps is to preserve legacy software for which I can find no replacement for (i.e., "ancient" data acquisition hardware for which the manufacturers no longer provide support), Wine is a good solution, except for one fault- no usb support. Since newer computers are coming without traditional com ports, usb support is critical. That dictates that one must use VirtualBox or some other virtual system with Windows installed. Wine works better, requires less tweaking to get things up and running, and generally runs applications faster than most of the virtual machines i have played with...
Why do we need to run those junky programs from another OS?
Because we can, and no one else will (not even Microsoft).
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We are all waiting for that bug to be resolved. There is a patch, but it requires X.org 1.8. As soon as X.org 1.8 gets into common use I'm sure a fix will be mainlined and we can all play Unreal games on Linux. Patience is a virtue.
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my bank is IE only
Then it might be time to change banks.
Or it might not if your bank is the only bank with branches and free ATMs in town. Otherwise, the ATM owner and your bank charge you a combined $5 service fee every time you get money out of your checking account, and you can't deposit any cash or checks that you receive.
I can't afford Cricket's $40/month bill you insensitive clod!
Tether to your cell phone.
commodore64_love can't afford the cell phone carrier's $40/month bill you insensitive clod!
One valuable aspect of Wine, particular the major releases like 1.2, is that it provides an API that developers can target to easily create Linux versions of their Windows programs. As nice as it would be if developers would make a fully native port of their application for Linux, it's often more practical to get something that works passably by tweaking an existing program to work with Wine. Sometimes these can even be compiled against Winelib to create an ELF binary.
Seriously, I get a little tired of the "Ahhh MS has left XP behind!" types. Ok, I will give some credit initially. When Vista launched it required a heavy amount of resources for the day, and many people felt it was a poor OS (I disagree with most of their claims, but regardless). Fine, however now 7 is out. It has received large amount of acclaim as a good OS, is less resource intensive at the low end, and driver support is quite good. It is a very worthwhile upgrade, if you want to support new systems.
Also, XP is being discontinued. Support runs out in 2014. While that isn't critically close, it means it is time to look at beginning to retire XP systems so by the time 2014 gets here, it is a non-issue.
So, if you want to run DX 10 or 11 software, get 7. It is a good OS, and you've no real excuse. If your system has hardware powerful enough to run those apps at usable speed, it is powerful enough to run 7 no problem.
You cannot expect support and new features in old software forever, unless you pay a hefty maintenance fee (and even then you don't always ge tnew features). XP is nearly 10 years old. time to put it to rest on new systems and use 7.
Wine, and in particular Wine fanboys, sell it as a sure fire way to run Windows apps on Linux. They happily point to success stories and say "See you can ditch Windows, just run your stuff in Wine! Look how well Office runs!" People then try it and discover three things:
1) It is complex as all get out. You don't just go and start Wine and run a Windows installer to put your application on. No, it is way fucking complex in many cases. Even people familiar with virtualization are amazed at how complex it gets.
2) It works poorly in many cases. A "working" app in Wine speak seems to mean "runs". It may have massive glitches. Most people take working to mean "Works fully with some minor glitches." Even so of the top apps have some rather noticeable glitches.
3) Plenty of stuff doesn't work at all, and there's no readily apparent reason. It just fails.
For example I was trying to move to a Linux desktop at work, to learn more about Linux and its working in our setup. However, being work, I had to be able to get everything done. So I tried Linux AV software and it was crap, couldn't do what I needed to do. I went and asked our Linux head if he'd be willing to help see if Wine could run Sony Vegas. He said sure. After 3 days of fairly intense work and research, he said no, he could find no way to make it run. He was pretty good too, he didn't blow this off he really tried.
So that's why people get mad. Wine shouldn't be marketed as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine is more of an experimental program that can help some Windows software run sometimes. If you want to get your hands dirty and mess around with some complex stuff, maybe it can make things happen. However it is not a friendly compatibility layer that you install and suddenly Windows apps can be run just like on Windows with ease.
People get mad because it is oversold, and because it is something they want. They hear "Windows on Linux," and get all excited. They can use Linux now and not have to sacrifice their computer experience. Then they try it and find no, they can't actually and get real angry.
*applause*
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"you'll find a lot more regular joes and janes picking up this stuff on DVD from blackmarket dealers around the world"
Yeah, because you just see those all over the place. Seriously, I've seen one guy selling bootleg dvd's and music outside a store in Miami, once, in my life. I've never seen the same for software.
That is in Miami (along with any other of the populous areas on either FL coast), Chicago, St. Louis, Portland, Albuquerque, Reno, Vegas, I didn't spend much time there but that includes LA as well. I haven't seen street vendors of any kind (except maybe a hot dog cart or the like) outside those larger metro areas. Mostly "street vendors" amounts to bums with gold chains and brand new designer sneakers outside the bus/train/plane stations.
I could have gotten first, and yet I didn't comment. You know why?
Because I'm not a jackass whose only interest it is to get "first" posts.
I am not devoid of humor.
If you had really done this you'd know DVDShrink hasn't been able to rip 99.9% of movies for years.
That spam is called humor, you know.
I am not devoid of humor.
I really can't see any point in this anymore, it takes forever to get the configuration correct to run crud like notepad.exe.
How many years has it been since you've tried running Wine?!
I mean, sheesh, sure, it doesn't run anything and everything. But the project certainly made leaps and bounds in compatibility and what *can* be run.
I am not devoid of humor.
File a bug to the Rhythmbox devs?
iTunes seems to work fairly, but don't get your hopes up getting the software to actually detect your hardware. Windows USB driver support is actually out of WIne's scope, but surprisingly enough, still being implemented. It's just not in the official release yet.
I am not devoid of humor.
Ironically, I have difficulty running apps that old on my setup, because win16 is broken on macosx.
If you want to run a 16 bit windows app, why not install Windows 3.1 into a DOSBOX? For programs THAT old, it usually provides substantially superior compatibility. Unfortunately AFAIK DOSBOX only has IPX networking so that's one potential reason why not. Would like to be proven wrong :/
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
In the modern world where you can use your debit card pretty much anywhere for any purchase of 50 cents or more with no fees how often do you really need cash?
Individuals running yard sales tend not to have suitable merchant accounts. Neither does my barber. My dentist gives a discount when paying with cash instead of a card. I guess I could get cash back when I buy milk at Walmart*.
For that matter, unless you are running a business
Ordinarily, the kind of business I want to run would take Google Checkout and PayPal, where the money would stay inside the ACH system. But I do get paid to mow a relative's lawn; does that count as a business?
how often do you receive cash and checks?
Cash: Birthday, Christmas, repayments of small loans to family members, and lawn mowing income. Checks: It took years for my employer to switch to a payroll processor that offered direct deposit.
If you had really done this you'd know DVDShrink hasn't been able to rip 99.9% of movies for years.
DVDShrink+DVD43 is still one of the best ways to handle DVD ripping/conversion on Windows. I personally use dvdbackup to rip, but then if I want to shrink the DVD for reburning I still use DVDShrink in Wine after running FreeDVD in Wine against the directory, sometimes several times. (For making files, there's OGMRip, which has problems extracting audio sometimes but still makes AVIs for those devices which won't use anything else, unlike Handbrake which is now all but useless.) And on Windows we use HDDVDDecrypter, which I have found to be the best ripper EVAR.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I bashed wine quite a bit in the past, but I admit that 1.2 is a pretty good release.
I follow the wine project and source code daily,
I have my own patches to fix problems with multiple apps that do not work out of the box,
and I still think there are serious problems with how the project is managed.
But I admit that there is progress, and 1.2 could be a good starting point for people that never really tried wine out in the past.
Wine has gotten better over the years I remember the last version on Ubuntu sound was still an issue. I really hope they have worked those issues out I can't wait to test Ubuntu 10 with new wine 1.2
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You are right- I am attempting to utilize a serial to usb converter, which works fine with Linux, and works fine under VirtualBox with Windows 98SE guest (Specifically, a Keyspan 19HS). I have not been able to get it to function in Wine. I have gone through all the procedures for linking serial ports to Wine, I have tried the old work-around that shows up on the Wine site, and I have not been able to get Wine to recognize the port. The legacy software I am trying to preserve (all of which functions well in VB with Win 98SE) involves drivers, parsers and converters for proprietary data structures from equipment no longer supported by the manufacturer. I have on occasion be able to work around this by snooping the data stream and developing my own parsers and converters (sing Excel in VB- haven't got it working in Wine), but one must know the communications protocol and data structure and have a lot of time for experimentation. We are talking about maintaining the utility of legacy equipment that amounts to several thousand dollars worth of investment that still functions properly and serves my needs. Replacing the older equipment for newer equipment that only marginally expands the capabilities that I use just does not make sense. I use Wine for a number of applications, and find it better, in most cases than VB, from the standpoint of speed, mostly. I especially like Excel 2000 on Wine, which has capabilities not available in OpenOffice Calc or any other OpenSource spreadsheet I have looked at (specifically, FFT capabilities- and the graphics are a whole lot faster). If you have a solution that can give me access to the usb to serial converter through Wine, I would be most greatful. The solution provided in the documentation does not work in my setup. I am not making derogatory comments about Wine- I am trying to encourage the expansion of its capabilities to enhance its utility for my applications. I have posted very similar comments on the Wine site directly, and the response has been that usb support is a low-profile issue for the Wine developers.
Lucky me - I guess my collection must be that magical 0.1%.
I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
After its ripped (and decrypted) shrink works fine to compress. There are still movies you can rip with shrink but none of them are major blockbuster releases and there are absolutely no new Sony releases you can rip with shrink.
Shrink is fast and its easy. Saying its best (even in its hayday) is a bit like calling ms paint best in a world with gimp and photoshop. CCE (Cinema Craft Encoder) for example will give you much higher quality output than shrink. You won't see a huge difference unless you have a large 40+ inch screen though if shrink didn't have to compress much.
I've done a lot of rips with linux as well using several methods. You can get nice output but unfortunately nothing in the ballpark of the windows tools.
You must just not be interested in new blockbuster titles or Sony releases. By the time support discontinued for dvdshrink guides already recommended third party rippers. Even those are out of date now.
If you want to rip a new title you need something like DVDFab HD or anydvd HD to defeat the structural tricks that make the disc look like its broken. It rips part way and then fails like there is a scratch on the disc.
After ripping and decrypting you could still shrink with DVD Shrink. DVD Rebuilder is an easy to use front end for Cinema Craft Encoder that will give MUCH higher quality though (CCE comes with a $2k+ price tag though). I mean you are already pirating the movie, why not download a couple torrents?
I've used CCE to make SVCDs, though not DVDs... but if I'm willing to shrink it then the quality is pretty much irrelevant even on my larger than 40" 1080p LCD.
I've done a lot of rips with linux as well using several methods. You can get nice output but unfortunately nothing in the ballpark of the windows tools.
That has been my experience even though some of the Windows tools which seem to work better are based on mencoder or ffd...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You may just have solved the issue for me. In the link, you link to ~/.wine/dosdevices- I missed the .wine part...
I'll be giving this a try- if I can get around this issue, I may be able to finally abandon Windows completely...
For many Windows 95/98 games, the installation program was 16 bit; while the main application was 32 bit.
BRB finding a stone to crawl under. Please disregard the parenthesis.
I have a whole Windows XP installed on another partition. Why can’t the damn thing just get over itself, and use all those libraries and stuff, while just replacing the few core libaries that all the other libraries use to communicate with the kernel?
I know that this was possible in earlier versions of Wine, and it would make everything work 100%! Without a stupid reboot or slow VM.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Not just games. Some major Win9x apps also used a 16bit installer, usually some antique version of InstallShield (probably because it was very expensive to update). You could always tell because the installer would spit up a Win3.x-looking interface.
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Hello there fellow /.er from Norway (as I deducted from your long term posts, correct me if wrong), I have a totally OT question:
I, together with my friend, are going to Norway in a few days, to travel, and also make some cash back collecting (and selling where appropriate) forest berries. Do you have any idea how to find the (trading places, markets or some such) who buy them in bulk ? I looked all over but it's not really apparent on the internet for those not proficient in Norwegian.
Any pointers in how to find them (is there a method ? Company names, anything ?).
Pardon me for such inquisitiveness, don't answer if you do not want to :P
Just fishing for info ...
Thanks in advance.
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
In XP, you can search INSIDE files for a text string *provided XP knows of the file extension*.
In Windows 2000, you could do this with ANY file extension.
In Windows 7, sorry. You can't do that anymore. No workarounds unless you go 3rd party.
So, if I want to look for a key word inside my 400+ VBS scripts using Windows 7 I AM FSCKed!
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I mean you are already pirating the movie, why not download a couple torrents?
Actually, I'm not pirating. I already own the stuff I was ripping. I'm working on a movie library server, since it's easier to deal with, and physical media tends to get destroyed around my house. DVDShrink under WINE was one combination I played with.
I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
Except of course if you check the radio button under:
Windows Explorer -> Organize -> Folder and search options -> Search -> Always search file names and contents.
Why this is not default is probably because MS thought people won't want to search inside files for non-indexed directories.
After you choose that, searching for something searches files and contents. Searching for name:somefilename will search for "somefilename" in filenames.
Also check this out for some more advanced search syntax.
^_^
My school has a deal where they can let students on to their site license of recent Windows versions for $10, but in general you're right. Most people can't count on finding a legal $10 copy of Windows.