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FCC Approves Changes To Cable Box Rules
GovTechGuy writes "The FCC issued an order Thursday that should make it much easier and cheaper for consumers to purchase and install third-party cable boxes made by manufacturers such as TiVo. The rules are aimed at spurring competition in the cable box market; currently consumers overwhelmingly choose to rent a box from their cable provider rather than buy their own. Lawmakers have complained the current cable box technology is outdated and doesn't allow consumers to leverage new sources of video content such as the Web or streaming services from providers such as Netflix. The new rules should result in a smarter, more advanced cable box in the near future."
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Hey, the heck with somebody else's hardware, can I make my own?
How hard could it be?
cable companies will fight tooth and nail against it, again.
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And Cable providers sue in 3...2...1
Cable and Internet providers have been ridiculously successful against the FCC for the past 15 years. It's like literally everything the FCC has tried to do has been shut down by the courts.
I had a cablecard installed in my Tivo Premiere within days of calling Verizon with no hassle at all.
None of these address the "value add" (sorry, kinda puked in my mouth a little bit getting that out) that sells the consumer that they MUST GET CABLE BOX FROM CABLE COMPANY. First of all, consumers don't know they have a choice of getting a cable card, and how to get a device that supports one, and get one installed if they find the device. Secondly, consumers are told they can't get on-demand content if they don't use the cable company's device.
That's it guys. Prescheduled programming? Nobody runs into problems with this. Pricing/Billing transparency? No - this would be a problem if most consumers knew the option existed. Streamlined installation? See pricing/billing transparency. Ease requirements? No - just need to HAVE requirements.
Oh dear god, you life must be hell. Maying 10 cents a month in electricity and having to put it on something.
If only someone would do something so the consumer could understand the rules~
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TFA states a lot of PR from the FCC, the TiVo, and the cable industry on the effects the new rule will have on consumers, but nowhere describes what about the CableCARD rules is actually being changed, and doesn't cite the order to enable people to check for themselves. So I checked the FCC website, the order is here.
Haven't had time to read it myself yet, but hopefully having it will enable people to read it and make comments on the actual content, rather than the fluff in TFA.
The waiver for the satellite companies should be removed, so that you can buy third party DirecTV and DISH boxes too. (There could be third party DISH boxes, and would presumably have been new DirecTivos all along, without the waivers.)
you're an idiot. i've had comcast at over 10 addresses in the last 3 years. it's always a giant headache. in the end, after everyone has typed the keys in correctly, everything works.
No. This is different. It's legal.
Cable boxes aren't just behind, their development (at whatever pace) is lopsided. My cable box from Verizon Fios:
-Can suggest programs based on what I've watched. But it can't cache the channel line-up and programming info, so there's an incredibly irritating pause every time you click the remote.
-Can play video games from 1994, but it can't make the remote emit a sound so I can find it in the cushions. We've needed this feature for decades, but instead we get a gutted hole that used to be HDMI out or USB port (who knows?).
-Can deliver a huge variety of content from a fiber optic network, but charges huge fees for MA and XXX content that is far worse than what can be found on the internet for free, in 3 clicks. Seriously who has FIOS and orders that junk? Same with Comcast. It's rotgut moonshine at single malt-reserve prices. I expect porn to be ahead of the development curve, not bringing up the saggy rear.
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It's called an internet connection, bittorrent, and a ps3.
Really? How well does a PS3 decode encrypted HD cable channels and handle PPV content? If it functioned as a good cable box, I might just buy a PS3, despite the fact that I don't play a lot of games. Bittorrent is great, but just a tiny bit more cumbersome than simply pulling up a DVR menu or punching in a 4-digit channel number, and then there's the question of legality.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
I thought television sets came "cable-ready" -- haven't they done so for like twenty years now? Why would you rent something that was obsoleted in the early 90s?
If it is providing no features to you, then don't do it.
Depending on where the poster lives, it may be legal for him.
Then it seems it does provide a feature to you, it lets you use the cable. Also, you're wrong about why they do that. It is not to deter pirates, it is to free up bandwidth. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video
Legality is kind of irrelevant at this point.
Cable/Satellite have already lost. This legislation is really no different than legislating that horse carriage manufacturers cannot mandate what buggy whip you get to use.
Locked in bundles, extortion by ESPN, monopolies and duopolies, out of control advertising, spamming during the programming itself, locked outputs, retroactively removed features that existed at the time of purchase (fuck you Sony and burn in Hell), are not desired by younger consumers, and especially the generation of young consumers that have been raised on YouTube, FaceBook, MySpace, Hulu, etc.
The future are services like Hulu and Netflix. I hardly even bother to torrent TV shows or movies anymore. For one, I can usually get the movie legally in a few days through the mail, or streamed directly to my TV in HD quality. My TV shows are now without commercials or those impossible-to-ignore-totally-ruin-the-fucking-show overlays with the Sci-Fi channel being the best example of the retarded twats that decided that was a good idea. I watched entire seasons of Chuck, Stargate SGU, The Big Bang Theory, etc. all without any interruptions or annoyances.
Above all... I did this legally for once. TV shows that are broadcast are obviously fair game to me though. If you put in radio waves across my face on my property, fuck you when you attempt to control what I do with it. That being said, I do like the fact that I can pay a reasonable price for access to a large catalog of movies legally.
There is a reason why Blockbuster has declared bankruptcy. There is a reason why Cable/Satellite execs constantly lament how many people are "cutting the cord".
They don't get it!
Even a cablebox of your choosing is not going to give you the on-demand choices and advertising free content that people are clearly going to obtain one way or the other. The article mentioned that the 3rd party cableboxes would contain Netflix. Really? If that is available, why would I choose to pay $50 a month for HBO/ShowTime/Cinemax/whatever? I would never pay any money for ShowTime, or whatever they are called, when they do the Sci-Fi Super-Retardo overlays on the movie while I am watching it. Saw that at a friends house and spent the next 20 minutes hooking up his kids XBOX to his TV, using the Live account his kids already had, and started watching the same movie IN HD, and WITHOUT the overlays through Netflix. Now his whole family has about 30-40 movies all the time queued up in their instant watch queue.
Sorry, the legislation here is too late. Nearly every young person I know has already transitioned towards a YouTube/Netflix/Hulu/??? combination to get access to entertainment and has never even once paid a cable TV bill.
We don't need to talk about the illegal stuff. Those people doing "illegal" stuff still represent a loss of marketshare (not a loss of income due to piracy, or some equally retarded and fallacious argument). However, what about the people like me that have been using, by and large, completely legal distribution channels to obtain entertainment on their own terms?
IMO, the legal options are going to make a cablebox obsolete before the legislation even takes place. 5 years ago I laughed when MS and Sony said they had ambitions to become the media centers in people's homes. Not laughing anymore....
The barrier isn't technological, it's psychological. My mom has a cable box she doesn't need. The installer told her she needed to get cable. I told her to take it back and demand a refund. She won't. During the 80's, you had to have a box to get channels above 13, because that was the highest a TV could tune. Then the FCC mandated cable-ready TV's, and you didn't need a box at all except for pay TV. There was no education or information given to the public, so a lot of people went through the 90's still believing they need a box, and the cablecos still play on that. The only was to solve the problem is to educate the public, something like forcing the cablecos to hand their customers a pamphlet clearly showing what channels do and do not require a box.
I would run one in a heartbeat - especially since I now live in a city where Comcast has deployed Motorola rather than Scientific Atlanta. (on Scientific Atlanta the ESATA ports are enabled, and on Motorola they are disabled). I like having the ability to keep an entire season of certain shows on the PVR/DVR to re-watch at my leisure.
However, there is a problem; most CableCard-capable PVRs available on the market, at least last time I looked into them, did not support OpenCable Host Device services, so watching On Demand content isn't (or wasn't) possible. Also, aside from client apps on a PC or Mac, management of viewing, recording, and deleting content on a Tivo requires about 3x as many clicks as does the cable company's PVR. The Tivo still doesn't(?) support OCAP:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/dnptivo-premiere-and-premiere-xl-usher-in-a-brand-new-interface/
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you obviously don't know much about bandwidth, and have fallen for the lies provided to you... everyone still must be able to receive every channel they pay for at any time. the required bandwidth is fixed. nothing is saved. it is a pure play against piracy at the expense of subscribers.
Bittorrent is great, but just a tiny bit more cumbersome than simply pulling up a DVR menu or punching in a 4-digit channel number, and then there's the question of legality.
The TV shows I torrent are ones that for some reason my DVR did not record, so I don't really care if I'm technically infringing copyright. That said...
There are already torrent clients that can use RSS feeds to grab the shows you are interested in. With a very small amount of extra coding, you could end up with the downloaded files renamed the way you want and in the right place for your media player to be able to access them, all with no human intervention. It's probably already been done, but I've never bothered to investigate.
The only real downside to this is that at times you might wait a day or two after the original broadcast before you have access. Since I'm currently a few months behind on TV, this wouldn't be a problem for me.
and get some line sharing going.
One big fat rented pipe and any telco, isp, tv, digital service you like.
No contract, long term, bundles, get some light and entrepreneurship flowing back into the dark cartels and sealed single providers.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
*shrug* Pretty well, actually.
Try Ted [Torrent Episode Downloader] with PS3 Media Server. You get the same shows you watch now. It costs you nothing. All the commercials are edited out. And you can usually watch them within 3-4 hours of their being broadcast.
The only possible alternative that is similar in functionality (shows WITHOUT commercials, not just commercials you fast forward through) is Amazon VOD. That being said, Amazon VOD is only compatible with certain devices, unlike PS3 Media Server, which works with nearly all DLNA devices. Otherwise, I would probably just buy the shows through Amazon VOD. If it only worked on the PS3, natively.
You can use Amazon VOD, Hulu, and Netflix through PlayOn, but it kind of sucks. Netflix on the PS3 (the version Sony promotes) is using a Bluray disk, and the interface is terrible. One must click through titles one-by-one, with no way to hold down the "forward" button, or flick a page at a time.
The only issue with PS3 Media Server is that you have to organize the files, because although Ted does a great job of downloading the files, they will end up in a giant pile on your drive with crappy "leet speak" names. There are a few automatic renaming utilities, but these are very kludge.
There is a new (free as in beer) DLNA server called Serviio which fixes that, by automagically downloading program names, and presenting a hierarchical interface to the user. That way, you can keep your TV shows in a big pile, and organize them whenever you want. This combination (TED+SERVIIO) represents truly automatic HD video on demand, sans commercials, of nearly any content you would want. And its free.
That being said, Serviio's transcoding is somewhat buggy, so TV Nirvana isn't quite ready yet. But it's almost there.
The funny thing is that I cannot get service this good from any provider at *any* price. I would be willing to pay quite a premium to get truly ad-free TV. But I want my shows to download automatically (or stream), I want it in HD, and I want it to work with a video game console or TV, eliminating a set-top box that would otherwise take up valuable space.
The ironic thing? I prefer watching TV on my PS3s than on my DirecTV HD-DVRs with nearly every channel.
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26. We conclude that the best means of assuring the development of a retail market for navigation devices is to require cable operators to allow subscribers to self-install CableCARDs. We believe cable operators should have time to train staff and develop more robust customer support infrastructures and procedures, and provide nine months to comply for any operators that allow subscribers on any of their systems to self-install any cable modems89 or leased set-top boxes.90 We are not persuaded by arguments that cable operators could not support activation of retail CableCARD devices within this reasonable transition period. However, we are concerned that a cable operator that does not permit self-installation of any equipment that attaches to its network may not have the customer support infrastructures in place to handle self-installations and may need a longer transition period.91 Therefore, we will allow cable operators that do not have any self-installation support in place twelve months to phase in this self-installation requirement.92 We also require cable operators to inform their subscribers about the self-installation option when they request CableCARDs.93
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Until cable companies and their subsidiaries are forbidden to design, manufacture, sell, lease, rent or otherwise provide hardware, they will have too much control.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
currently consumers overwhelmingly choose to rent a box from their cable provider
Back when I had cable a couple years ago, there was no choice. If I wanted the deal, I *had* to rent the box. It sat under my sofa for a year, collecting dust and costing me money until I just had enough of it and canceled the service.
Why is it so hot? Where am I going? What am I doing in this handbasket?
I have a Roku box. Cost me $60. Uses the Internet (built-in 802.11n wireless, at that). And now is available with 1080p support (though I wish they'd announced that before I'd bought my second Roku for the other TV...)
I get Netflix, as well as a lot of other content, on it.
Two reasons it's not as good as cable/satellite:
1. There still isn't a lot of content, and almost none of it is live (there's an MLB out-of-market channel, but I haven't tied into it yet to see if it's live or delayed).
2. Roku works because it's sparsely distributed to the marketplace. The Internet does not have the bandwidth to give everyone unlimited, on-demand, random-access content in full HDTV quality all the time. The cable and satellite communication models eliminate the on-demand portion (mostly; each has some channels for on-demand-like programming, but they're pay-per-view controlled and that keeps their use down to a sparse segment of the viewership at any moment), but ensure that literally every installed endpoint can get any of the channelized content at the same time.
Of course, the real problem with the cable/satellite models is that they've become so fractionated that no channel has a really significant audience share, so they all have suck commercial revenues, so they can't afford the decent television shows, so 90% of them run the sucky junk that costs nothing. Which makes Bruce Springsteen not just observant, but prescient by a factor of 20: 1100 channels and nothing on...
Legality is kind of irrelevant at this point.
As long as there are laws and governments, police and lawyers, legality is never irrelevant.
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Anywhere the FCC has jurisdiction copying copyrighted content from anyone other than a licensee is breaking the law (and playing it to your screen from a stream is, indeed, copying it).
i worked as tech support for a cable company in souther california. the only guy who was honest about the specific flaws of each model of box was the guy who trained us. he told us what problems to expect and how often, basically saying that all the boxes in one way or another were crap, even the 'new' ones. according to him, the main reason the company did not allow customer owned boxes, was because most of them were not compatible with our proprietary software. (read into that what you will) his sincere desire, for the good of the customer and the sanity of the tech support people, was for tv manufacturers to get off their butts and develop 2-way cableCARD ready TVs. do away with the box all together. at the time, there were TVs capable of using cableCARDs, but only 1-way, meaning no on-demand or pay-per-view. eventually, TVs with 2-way function and internal HDDs will come along, but who knows what roadblocks are delaying this...
This will date me, but I can remember the day when EVERYONE had to rent a telephone from Ma Bell. Rotary dial and then the Princess phone. Technology really got pushed along in those days.
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Which is why I said legally. I am under the assumption that when I rent a season of Chuck from Netflix that the content creators are getting financially rewarded through my Netflix membership.
As for my comment about broadcast digital TV, they have no rights to be rewarded. Once they put that content in the radio waves and sent said radio waves across my property, I am under no obligation to either view the content, pay for the content, or view the content in a specific and managed way. I take issue with anybody that releases content literally for free and then complains when people are not financially rewarding them or make the claims of theft simply because the people choose to not watch specific portions of the content. That's ridiculous.
The only obligation I am under with respects to digital broadcasts is to not re-broadcast them.
Hold on a moment. Cable companies are granted exclusive franchises by the city government, not the federal government. That and that alone is the reason for the abysmal service. If you had a choice between TW, Comcast, Cox, Charter, and CableVision in most cities then we would have real competition, and the prices and services would be much better.
The FCC helps to keep the cable companies acting like there is competition. If not for the FCC, there would never have been the CableCard option in the first place. The only option would be to buy the set-top box, or not be able to tune in to many of the channels you are paying for.
Sure the FCC does sometimes bend to much the the will of the media companies or cable companies, but if the FCC only regulated the actual airwaves, and not also the cable companies, Things would be much, much worse.
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OK, since you obviously know more than I do about bandwidth, please explain how my cable company is offering 150 HD channels, about 400 SD channels, about 30 on-demand channels (so every TV in the neighborhood could theoretically be watching a different on demand show), plus internet and telephone, all over a wire that has about a 750MHz bandwidth.
The old slider boxes they had way back when cable first started were way better than what they have now.
Seriously, when did the FCC grow a pair? This is fantastic there have been things coming out left and right that seem like they are shutting down the anti-competitiveness of cable companies and for the consumer. All good things must come to an end though, I am afraid what really bad piece they are waiting for to come out. I'd totally vote for the person driving all this over at the FCC for president. He totally freaking rocks.
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What? The standards are working because there is ONE LAME vendor out there?
Hardly.
If the standards were working, there would be 50 VENDORS out there.
Contrast the diversity in PVRs with the diversity that existed with VCRs.
I want a solution that streams all of my media and is completely network transparent. I don't want any media tied to a particular TV. I don't want to have to associate a particular show with a particular TV. Even a web based interface for manipulating that relationship is a step backwards.
Tivo is far too busy abusing the patent system and not spending enough time improving their product in meaningful ways.
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The required bandwidth is fixed, however, then the channels are off, they can use those channels for cable internet signals. That means that they can use a single cable run for more houses, since they can fit more Internet content. If all the TV stations are being watched, then everybody's Internet connection would be terrible, but the cable company knows that needing all channels at once is not very common.
Further more, if fewer channels are in use, then they can offer more VOD content. They normally keep selections painfully limited, because if thy were bigger, too many people would want to use the service at once, and they only have a limited number of VOD channels per area (but satellite has it even worse) . If they can use the regular channel slots for VOD, they could offer more programming, because they could sustain more feeds, albeit at the risk of having to tell users that a normal channel is unavailable if VOD is using up all the slots.
That said, many have not fully rolled out either of those, and piracy is still a significant part of the reason.
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Remember those?
I'd kill to have a setup that my 75-year old mother could actually use. (She's just never going to be able to get the idea of separate components, and I've never found a "universal" remote control that she can use.)
Monopolistic a$$hats.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Hooking up a PVR should be no more complicated than hooking up a VCR used to be.
All of the nonsense "standardization" that has been created by the industry and the FCC is nothing more than a monopoly on a silver platter.
The connection between the cable box and the TV should be in the clear. THAT should be mandated by the FCC.
I should be able to record off of a cable box with a $30 ATSC tuner.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
What is illegal about an internet connection? What is illegal about bittorrent? What is illegal about a PS3? Come to think about it... What is illegal about a window? What is illegal about a brick? What is illegal about me throwing that brick through the window? Careful here..... It is my window.... and my brick....
Such limitations only exist if you purchase content legally; which is, of course, the point.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
They let you BUY THE BOX or RENT IT.
They have theme packs and pick and some All a carte cable.
Why can't you buy the same box comcast uses that has cable card in it?
Why is cable card locked out of VOD?
Why do you need a add on SDV tuner?
Why do some cable rent moxi boxes that can do SDV and VOD but when you buy your own NO VOD and SDV needs add on box?
Why is the RCN TVIO that can do VOD rent only and forces you to buy RCN HSI as well?
Why can comcast trun on the same cable box they have on there systems that you can buy in Canada systems the only change is the firmware and how hard is it for the box to download new firmware?
Protip2: Then the FCC rule won't apply to them and any posts here are off topic trolls (in addition to the fact that Slashdot officially considers itself to be American and the largest single readership is American), unless made with a disclaimer similar to "I'm not in the US, but..."
P.S. I'm not in the USA.
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why do the few systems with rented moxi boxes do 2 way with VOD and SDV but when you buy a moxi and rent a cable card NO VOD and SDV needs the add on box?
The funny thing is that I cannot get service this good from any provider at *any* price. I would be willing to pay quite a premium to get truly ad-free TV. But I want my shows to download automatically (or stream), I want it in HD, and I want it to work with a video game console or TV, eliminating a set-top box that would otherwise take up valuable space.
The funny thing is that I cannot get service this good from any provider *even with ads*. I would be willing to watch commercials to get truly free, legitimate TV. But I want my shows to download automatically (not stream), I want it in HD, and I want it to work with a video game console or TV, eliminating a set-top box (and monthly fees for paid TV service) that would otherwise take up valuable space.
Kid-proof tablet..
They don't sell it wholesale and guarantee anything on it. They sell it retail and "best effort."
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And there is something in there about making any set top box they lease also available for sale.
in canada you can buy the box and not pay the rent on it.
Unlike a lot of comments advocating savings in cutting the leased equipment, I am OK with continuing to lease the providers box and so on, after having tried OTA, boxless basic programming and using the box as prescribed.
However, likethis epinion review for US service says response times for digital boxes are horrible. They are the most easily noticeable problem even by visitors. Analog boxes are simple, have lightweight remotes and lack today's "lightshow" happy LEDs.
Today, the java-fication of everything has caused boxes that freeze, slow down and have unpredictable behavior mindful of home routers. At least home routers include power buttons. Our New York digital boxes from TimeWarner take 30 seconds and 5 minutes after being plugged in. That is more than most computers, on devices designed 10 years ago, where almost everyone still chose TV over their PC for daily entertainment. I mean, current overjava'd cellphones don't take that long to boot, DVD consoles don't take that long to load videogames, and even 1970 B&W TV's don't take that long from cold to tubes-warm-enough-for-an-image.
Having Cable Box competition will result in a mozilla-javascript-like war. Then CableCo's replacing their OCAP (java) OS so that faster startup and response times are back the way they were with our brainless analog boxes. You will have more attention paid to VCR-recording, picture in picture features, and even the stupid way the CableCo boxes REMOVE the date/time signal from the carrier, even though my equipment is capable of reading it when I remove the box and know the exact channel. And we will finally be able to upgrade every few years, instead of being stuck with just one or two rented box models for decades to come.
I've long ago suggested 5 or 10 year lease options for cities to offer infrastructure for Cable. Every 5 or 10 years, the lease would be up, and new bidding would take place. City mandates SLA for the service, and dings the lease holder when the lease holder doesn't comply. Charges, rates, and everything would be part of the contract.
Lowest price, best service, highest speeds etc all go into the equation. Every 5 or 10 years, everything is opened up again for bidding.
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People would be foolish to fail to invest in upstarts that produce the equipment and software. This is going to be a big deal in the tech industry.
...to have Time-Warner install a CableCARD on my Moxi DVR. First off, T-W resolutely refuses to allow customers to self-install. They require a technician to come out and make a call to the "head office" to relay information from the DVR that requires the DVR owner (in this case, me) to pull up. Then, it takes about 2-1/2 additional hours to figure out that the INIT sequence wasn't being properly sent by T-W. Of course, all this time T-W is telling me it's my DVR (even though T-W specifically identifies the Moxi as a "supported" DVR). In the end, it cost me $35 and 3 hours of my time (2 hours of that spent online chatting with a Moxi engineer who was telling me what to tell the cable guy) to deal with T-W's ineptitude when it comes to CableCARD support.
Contrast this to Comcast: I walked into the Comcast office, picked up a CableCARD for my mom's 8-year-old rear projection Mitsubishi, plugged it in, called Comcast, and was up and running in about 1/2 hour. Total cost? $0.
Unfortunately, I don't think the FCC's new regs will address gross technical incompetence on the part of some cable TV providers.
The rollout of FiOS or u-verse gives customers a maximum of 4 options in most places for non-broadcast channels. That is getting a lot better, but the companies still don't really compete, since FiOS/u-verse is largely only economical if you take bundled services, which means that you are very unlikely to be switching services. Switching between two cable providers if you are getting separate phone and internet would be no big deal, similar to switching phone companies in those few places with a choice.
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some system had analog cable scrambled for all channels.
People complaining about how their digital TV, Netflix, On-Demand and cable modems are suffering severe glitches (black screen, jerky/lost picture/audio, aborted DLs) because of all the people using the limited cable bandwidth.
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I foresee a big push for faster "High Speed Broadband" in the near future. I use quotes because in the US its anything but, unless your lucky enough to have fiber in your community, and be able to afford it, and even then
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I just want to watch the feed with advertizing on official websites to access content as it air... But their website constant;y tell me I am not in the right country, so I just go to Torrent and get it ad free, fuck you control freak overpaid broadcasters executives, you are losing the media war.
Tomorrow is another day...
This is gibberish.
The FCC should disallow encryption out of the STB and let the chips fall where they may.
If Big Content wants to take its ball and go home then so be it. Regulatory agencies simply should not hold themselves captive to large corporations acting like spoiled toddlers.
A lot of the "cable only" stuff ends up OTA eventually anyways.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I dont disagree with you that the TV landscape is different than what it was years back. STB reform in 1996 as a part of the Telecoms Act would have probably been a very good thing, promoted innovation, and saved people a lot of money. 1) But, I still think this good news. A good STB/Netfix Device/DVR/htpc-lite would be a nice addition to the home entertainment world. I'm optimistic about what a Google TV STB device could do. A PS3 doesn't do all of this, and for general consumers one dead simple box would be really useful. 2) And ... Sports. The number one reason people still subscribe to TV (don't have the stat, but I assure you its out there.) People will continue to pay for sports broadcasts, and I want them to be able to use whatever STB they want to watch their pro sports.
Yeah, my dad ( > 45) has also talked about going for Netflix et al to cut out the satellite bill (However, our new house not having good satellite reception, even though it's in the city, might also be a part of it)
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
if you don't care if content providers ignore you, then why are you not ignoring them?
I read GP's post as "You youngsters don't have the Netflix et al to dump cable thing to call your own, and you don't have any original pop music to call your own either."
That being said, I do think Gaga catches too much flak from people like you. Sure, she has some standard-issue pop songs [those kinds of things can be fun anyway, but I digress...], but she does break out of that mold more often than most. (The piano song Speechless, especially live, comes to mind) Lily Allen breaks the standard pop song mold on an even more regular basis.
Led Zeppelin and Metallica would only be pop under a very wide definition (that which includes most anything nonclassical or something), but Zep is/was still *more* awesome, my overall #1. A few very premium classic acts are the few I like more than her any more. (Considering that I also have Lynyrd Skynyrd in that category, I've very well set in the name-starts-with-L department. :P)
IATYO (I Am A Twenty Year Old)
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
They aren't an extra bonus. You seem very confused on many things. It's required for the level of service they want to provide for the ISP part, not a bonus.
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why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
This coming from a guy who posted with 5 different UIDs in one thread?
Shut the fuck up, samefag.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Remember the days of renting your dial telephone from the Ma Bell?
Allowing other manufacturers to create phones initially resulted in a slew of sub-standard, crappy telephones. After a short period of growing pains, touch-tone phones appeared and grew in popularity. This innovation was further enjoined by cordless phones.
I wonder what kind of antiquated phones we'd be stuck with today if we were still renting phones from a single provider.
How amazing, powerful and inexpensive can cable boxes become now that they're open to competition.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
The system will work in a degraded manner with every channel being watched. It will work better when not every channel is being watched. That's by design. All residential Internet is oversold, and this is one of the tools the cable companies use to oversell Internet.
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the overlays are the final straw that made me cut the cord.
I'm now a netflix customer and get all my 'tv' from netflix. rip the dvd, watch from your home NAS. no commercials, no fbi warnings (lol), no nonsense. perfect 'reception', no digital artifacts and NO OVERLAYS!
its very rare that I can't wait a day or two for a movie to be shipped to me. 'on demand' is a synthetic market that really does not need to exist anymore. it seems like a sucker's play to pay the cableco's for yet more 'kinds' of tv. its still just TV and its silly to overpay for it.
cut the cord. I'm nearly 50 and I've done it. if you're younger than me, what the hell are you doing still watching realtime tv??
cut the cord. let this business model die. it went bad years ago and shows no signs of reforming itself.
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And for those of us who like our hockey games live and in HD...
I think we forget sometimes that most people want to just turn the TV on and go to a channel and have it work. I don't want to mess with hooking up an Xbox. (I don't own one). As a non-technical person I find Apple TV and Google TV or whatever to be completely opaque and frustrating to use at best. I like streaming on Netflix but it doesn't work well on my TV if I try to hook up the computer to it. And I never had a card in my cable box-- there's a slot for one (it's a Scientific Atlanta model) but I never got one from Time Warner. I just want to watch the freaking television. That is what it is for. For those of us who just want to watch TV, is there any real benefit to cable box competition? Will it matter? I know many people here are more technically-minded. But I am not. And also, I suspect, are 90 percent of TV viewers. I don't want to mess with a zillion different devices trying to figure out how to connect, you know? I like the on demand service, but again, i just want to point the remote and have it work. No fuss no muss. So, will some more technically sophisticated person out there help explain to me why this is going to matter? I'm not being just flippant. I really want to know what this will do for me.
This is fine and dandy for people that have expensive tastes, but I own both PC tuners AND multiple TVs that support ClearQAM. Last April, over 100 channels (which are part of my subscription) were removed from my viewing unless I got a digital cable box from the local cable company. They started encrypting almost every channel so the Clear QAM tuners became nearly worthless. Only about 15 channels are not encrypted anymore - 10 of those are local access and home shopping channels - SWEET! NOT! A few of the local broadcast channels are so pixel-ated as to be worthless over QAM. It has become better to use the OTA ATSC tuner instead.
I'm still paying for those channels, but I've been forced to add a cable box. My 3 VCRs are worthless now too. Where was the government oversight when as these changes were allowed? Cable-Ready should be mandated ... still.
Um...no. See: Switched Digital Video. Which CableCard does not fix, and has required me to rent a box that plugs into the Tivo in order to receive all but the most basic channels. Ya know, the problem you mention at the end of your post when you wander off into your rant about power consumption.
That box exists because the existing rules (aka CableCard) are incomplete, and each cable operator is using their own implementation of SDV and On-Demand. That keeps 3rd parties out and us renting tuning adapters.
(there's an MLB out-of-market channel, but I haven't tied into it yet to see if it's live or delayed).
Assuming it's the same in 2010 as it was in 2009, it's live except in blackout areas.
right now have to take the output of the box and feed it into a capture card and change channels with an ir blaster. Would so much better to be able to just capture it like I do for regular broadcast TV using a OTA tuner card.
I used to have Tivo years ago and have tried to go back to it several times over the years since I got digital cable. Tivo's great interface and amazing add-on features were something I always missed with my generic cableco DVR. But every time I tried, I ended up going back to the cableco.
The first time I tried to go back to Tivo I had all kinds of problems with the cablecards. I had to have a technician come to install them (no self-install) and he couldn't get them to work. It took two visits to even get them installed and even after that they were wonky. And they charged me for the cablecards too (had to lease them, couldn't buy). That, combined with Tivo's much higher monthly charge, eventually drove me back to the much cheaper generic DVR.
The second time I went back, I had HDTV and bought one of the HDTV Tivo models (a substantial upfront cost, but not as bad as they had been when they first came out). This time the cablecards worked but the problem was that my cableco was using SDV (switched digital video) on many of its HDTV channels. That meant that I couldn't get Universal's HDTV channel (which was rerunning "Firefly" at the time, long before it came out on blu-ray), among others. No adapter was available, and all I could get was a vague promise that they were "working on it." As more and more new channels were added in SDV, I finally gave up and went back to the generic DVR.
Now, a lot of Tivo's shortcomings are their own fault. Their upfront and monthly costs are substantial compared to a generic DVR. The interface on the HDTV models is a lot slower than on the old SD models. They still only have a lousy 30-minute queue for live TV. And I never could get the upconversion function working right (my TV had to adjust it's resolution itself if I changed from a SD to HDTV channel, making channel-surfing painful). But a lot of the problems that have kept me away from my once-beloved Tivo brand have been due to the cableco and how hard they make it to go to a third-party brand.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
We also had the Back Street Boys and (because I'm five years older than you and span the two generations) Cindi Lauper (before she took music lessons and started singing Jazz), so stop acting superior. Every generation has drivel. Every generation has timeless classics. It's often difficult to tell which is which till later. The Beatles were a teeny bopper pop band. So was Elvis. People said the same thing about them that's you're saying about Lady Gaga. People bitched that hair metal (Metallica) was pointless drivel. Ten-fifteen years from now some current Pop will turn out to have stood the test of time. The rest will vanish into the collections of people trying to relive their teenage years.
I don't need a million points of light, just two points of multi-mode fiber and a 10 Gig-E router.
Justin Bieber?
Netflix doesn't carry nearly enough stuff on-demand, and they don't carry live events (sports, music, politics, news, etc.)
I use Netflix to watch tv series I missed (currently in Top Gear Season 11 after having lived in England from 2007-2009 and not seeing that show since I moved back to the US).
This proposed model is a perfect example of why the free market is better. Just take a look at ANY Scientific Atlanta DVR that many cable companies provide. What a monumental P.O.S from a user interface, responsiveness and straight up reliability view point. A little competition and we'd have world class cable boxes with world class UIs and dvrs.
The menu options and recording/search features couldn't be made any worse even if you hired the worst Microsoft UI engineers (all the ones that have been let go in the history of Microsoft).
Example. Push the menu button while watching a show you recorded and the default next action is stop this show and delete. So if you hit the menu button twice (because the piece of shit is so unresponsive you don't think it took the first click), it stops your show and erases it. Thanks. Great design. How about, I dunno, NOT defaulting to DELETE when you push the menu button--especially when you are in the middle of watching it!!!
I don't particular care for the HD DVRs my cable co offers, since I have Tivo, but I'd like to have one around for the bedroom upstairs but don't want to pay $14/mo for the goofy thing. So now we can call them up and just buy one for a few hundred?
not interesting until they make a rule requiring a method for me to get at the stream using my PC, WITHOUT having to use their "approved" DRM-based software (like I could with analog)
I own a Series2 and two HDTivos and all three devices have been among the most reliable things I've owned. The Series2 is semi-obsolete but surprisingly still going strong (until the soon to be implemented switch of Comcast's analog channels to encrypted digital).
Both of my HDTivos have multistream cable cards and have since I bought them. I'd like to bitch about Comcast, but about the only complaint I had was being required to have an "installer" install the CableCards. In both cases the installer knew what they were doing and the cards worked the first time -- I doubt the installers were on site more than 30 minutes total between both boxes. No problems at all with them in the 2-3 years I've had both boxes.
I haven't run into any issues with switched digital video but from what I can tell, it's a "solved" problem with the addition of a tuning adapter (per Tivo's web site).
STB = set top box?
Does anyone balance their set top box on top of their 2" thick plasma or LCD TV anymore?
present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i will kill you.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
> no rule changes are warranted. cablecard standards have already solved this problem, and
> enabled 3rd parties. i've been using a tivo HD with premium cable service for many years
> now. it works perfect.
It appears that the order hits something else as well. From the source:
"...order that would promote competition in the marketplace for set-top boxes by
ensuring retail devices such as TiVo have the __same access to prescheduled programming__
as cable providers"
If I recall properly, this has been a problem in many areas; the cable-provider's box gets full, accurate schedules, and the third parties get limited and inaccurate ones. I don't use cable, so comments from others on this would be appreciated.
Locked in bundles, extortion by ESPN, monopolies and duopolies, out of control advertising, spamming during the programming itself, locked outputs, retroactively removed features that existed at the time of purchase (fuck you Sony and burn in Hell), are not desired by younger consumers
I'm a "younger consumer?" Why, thank you! You know, I'd say that us geezers hate it even more, because we lived in a time when the Discovery Channel had science shows, there were none of that stupid spam during programming, cable channels had no commercials at all let alone those goddamned animated "see this show we know you don't want to see! Tonight at 11!", none of those goddamned icons at the bottom right of the screen, nobody bitched if you used a VCR to record a show... Younger folks? Jesus, kid, cable didn't used to suck at all. It sucks donkey balls now.
Oh, and as a victim of XCP, thank you for the "fuck you Sony, burn in hell". When they go bankrupt I'm throwing a party.
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He was talking about waiting a couple seasons to get some of the good cable shows, so I suppose you could say he's aware of that.
I presume we'd still set up a broadcast-TV antenna
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
The FCC mandated that all devices (including VCRs, DVRs, and Cable Boxes) would use Firewire to pass audiovideo data back and forth.
But did the FCC mandate the terms under which the cable provider may turn on 5C encryption on FireWire feeds for a given channel?
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Megahertz and Link [...] ThisTV [...] PBSarts, PBSworld, PBSinfo, MiND [...] Qubo, Smile of a Child [...] RetroTV [...] on free antenna TV there are tons of channels airing reruns
Where do you live? The Fort Wayne, Indiana, market has none of these.
While [uncompressed video] can be compressed again it won't be easy, won't be real time, and won't be cheap.
Then how do consumer high-definition camcorders manage to do it? Sure, there's a loss of image quality, but it still handily beats S-VHS and even consumer DVD+R decks.
For the special cases of sports and local (theoretically urgent) news, I get it. But for anything else?
Some Slashdot users share a house with people who subscribe to cable TV just for ESPN and MSNBC. Besides, dramatic TV series that co-workers like to spoil around the water cooler are like news in this respect.
If it takes 4 hours to receive 1 hour of video, then streaming just isn't viable.
Imagine four people in the house, each watching 1.5 hours of video a day. Torrenting all your TV would take up your entire downstream bandwidth.
If you wait just a few minutes to let your dvr or flash player as appropriate buffer, you can do that just fine now.
Not everybody is willing to pay $180 a year extra for a DVR, and every commercial in a Flash stream that I've seen has been unskippable.
But things like ACC baseketball
Are they already televising baseketball outside of that movie?
That's what a season ticket or your local watering hole is for.
-- I have a private email server in my basement.
Once they put that content in the radio waves and sent said radio waves across my property, I am under no obligation to either view the content, pay for the content, or view the content in a specific and managed way.
Just because it's over radio doesn't mean it's public. Cell phone calls crossing your property, for example, aren't public.
Your point is moot with the rollout of FiOS.
Where I am typing this, FiOS is not offered. We checked.
Nope. Tuning adapters save bandwidth on the local loop, since it's unlikely that ~100 homes are going to be watching hundreds of different channels at the same time.
That bandwidth gets repurposed into Internet service, VoD, and for the really unscrupulous operators, more channels.
You _can_ use your Tivo without the box. I have when the stupid box broke on multiple occasions. The problem is you can only watch the SDV channels that other customers are currently watching. Every other channel is rendered as a black screen.
No. When you record content to your VCR it comes from broadcasters who have a license to the content and have granted you a license to copy it onto your VCR (they tried once not to grant you that license, but the courts gave them little choice). Reread what I wrote.
P.S. I'm not in the USA.
Yeah, I remember when I was working up in Alaska mentioning to a co-worker what I would do when I got back to the US. I does feel that way sometimes.
-- I have a private email server in my basement.
3-4 mbps isn't "plenty" for h.264. h.264 is good but it isn't that good.
h.264 achieves about comparable quality as mpeg2 w/ roughly half the bitrate.
OTA HDTV is 19Mbps mpeg2. Comparable quality w/ h.264 is in the 8mbps to 12mbps range depending on the content.
The last mile doesn't have the bandwidth for that "simultaneously" as you indicate, not even close. Higher quality HD (comparable to Bluray) would be even more bandwidth.
Lastly even IF networks could handle that they certainly wouldn't at current prices.
The reality is as long as the ratio between viewer : content remains high broadcast systems (OTA, sat, cable) make a lot of sense. Internet delivery makes more sense for less popular content.
Average person watches about 30 hours of content per week. Assume it is only 30 hours per household. That is about 540GB per household per month. A significant strain on current networks and even worse that 90%+ of it is duplicated across millions of households.
Secure VPN tunnel to an annoymizing service that doesn't maintain records. If you are real paranoid just chain multiple providers
I've been reading about the massive John Doe subpoenas being sent out...and anecdotal stories from friends with kids that got popped, so much so that I've just never wanted to try to use them again.
I find USENET to be likely a safer way to get content that one might want. Not likely to be monitored by the *IAA...and frankly, I've found it was faster to download than using P2P...I dunno about everyone saying it is so fast, my experience a few years ago before I got worried about using it...was that it just wasn't all that fast. Not sure what I was doing wrong, but I found USENET downloads to generally actually be faster.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
It provides real value to the cable companies by allowing bandwidth reuse that was previously impossible in cable networks.
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TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS
Ya know. Putting something in all caps does not provide any evidence that you are right and just makes you seem like an ass. In addition, bws provided evidence that it is to save bandwidth. You provided a story about what you have observed. I believe the technical evidence describing how the system works, why it works that way and how it DOES save bandwidth is much more convincing than you claiming that since you can take advantage of this system to have such and such amount of different streams at once, it proves that you are right when it in fact does no such thing.
You can reuse bandwidth by not using it in the first place. They would otherwise have used it if not for the boxes. And thus any use saved by the boxes is reuse.
tuning adapters are unnecessary to make the service function.
Then unplug yours.
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It don't think it means that. It says you get access to the programming, not the schedule. I take that as meaning you get the same access to 'regular' TV channels, as opposed to VOD.
So....do you really think saying the wrong thing over and over again makes it right?
If you get Internet from your cable provider, SDV means you get much better throughput. If you don't, SDV means your cable bill is lower, since SDV means the cable company doesn't have expand it's infrastructure. Either way, SDV does give a benefit to the subscriber.
If the tuning adapter did have something to do with piracy, then the device would make it so you couldn't see _ANY_ channels without it.
Instead, you can still see whatever channel your neighbors happen to be watching. Since the popular channels are likely to be the ones your neighbors are watching, and the popular stuff is what pirates want, your theory is that an anti-piracy device is designed to maximize piracy.
The alternative is that it's not an anti-piracy device. The cable card is. This would make sense to most people, as the cable card actually decrypts channels, whereas the tuning adapter is a two-way communication device that can't decrypt channels.
You presume that I do not currently have a better use of my time. At the moment, I'm waiting on my coworkers.
So poking dumb people with a stick is as good a use of my time as any other.
Are ya'll not worried at ALL about getting caught using bittorrent?
I don't think anyone has been sued (or even "notified") for downloading current TV shows.
I suspect that any case that got as far as a trial would see the the fair use argument reduce damages to a value not worth the legal expenses of the copyright holder.
Also, most (all?) of the RIAA lawsuits were about software/technology other than BitTorrent (LimeWire, etc.). Although at least some of the current crop of "pre-settlement letters" are about BitTorrent, most are aimed at targets that might be embarrassed by the content (mostly gay porn) being revealed in open court.
Except that they aren't doing that. You still receive the signal if your neighbor is watching that channel.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Actually, they adapt your Tivo to their tuning system, which uses SDV.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Sure they can. They only have to guarantee some service, while not guaranteeing other service. That's why the speed on their Internet service is sold as "Up to XXXMbps". If your local loop is enormous, and your neighbors watch every single SDV channel, your Internet service will be slow. But you'll all be able to get every channel that was requested.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
I'll provide mine full name and address right after you provide yours. And no, I don't work for the cable industry. If I did, I'd be dumb enough to think tuning adapters are anti-piracy tools.
And lastly...
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
You are unfamiliar with a technical term "bandwidth reuse" where the bandwidth is reused because it wasn't actually used, but was somehow "saved." Like you point out, it is a way of lowering bandwidth that would otherwise be in use, and thus allows "reuse" of that bandwidth by blocking the unnecessary use of it.
And you describe it as an additional feature. If you don't use it, you get a black screen. Thus you get the additional feature of a usable service. I don't understand you complaint when you obviously assign some worth to it and keep it powered up at your expense.
Learn to love Alaska
Bandwidth is relative to time, and the time they can turn off the channels not used in the area, they can increase the data bandwidth. The tuning adapters improve the user experience. And they are a benefit to you because you've said that your service is worse when it's off.
Learn to love Alaska
You don't understand the technology, and instead of trying to learn you just stick your fingers in your ears and make rude comments to those trying to help. But I will try one more time anyway.
Let's say you have a TV from the 80s. You have a total of 82 channels that you can tune. That is the bandwidth of the TV. But you cable company is offering 500 channels. Does that mean that 418 channels are unavailable to you? No. You get a cable box, and it converts any channel you like into one your TV can handle.
The exact same thing is happening with SDV. On one side of the switch box (not your cable box) is a fiber cable which has a capacity (bandwidth) of thousands of channels. On the other side is coax, which has a bandwidth of a few hundred channels. This is physics that determines this, not some cable company conspiracy.
This is where the tuning adapter comes into play. You tell your cable box you want to watch channel 700. The tuning adapter in the cable box talks to the switch and tells it you want to watch channel 700. The switch looks to see if it already has channel 700 tuned in, and if so what output channel it is on. If the channel is not already tuned, it finds a free channel and uses it. The switch then tells the tuning adapter what channel it should tune to in order to get channel 700. So today when you tune to channel 700 it may appear on the coax on channel 20. Tomorrow it may appear on channel 210. When no-one is watching channel 700 it doesn't appear on the coax at all, freeing a channel to be used for something else. This allows the cable company to offer many more channels than would otherwise be available on the coax.
Likewise, DOCIS uses the same channels on the coax that TV does. If many people are watching many different TV channels, fewer channels are available for DOCIS, so more people have to share each channel, and internet performance goes down. When people are using fewer TV channels, more are available to DOCIS, less people need to share each channel, and internet performance goes up.
The whole thing has nothing to do with piracy.
tuning adapters have EVERYTHING to do with piracy.
tuning adapters are unnecessary and provide no additional features to cable tv subscribers. the same level of service offered today has worked for years without tuning adapters... has it not?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
They changed their network so that TV subscribers must have them. They reduce bandwidth usage. That bandwidth reduction is used to carry data for the cable modems. They increase the overall capacity of the network, and thus have value to everyone, allowing more on demand movies/services for you (an increase in "value" even if you don't use the service) and more data for the cable modem users.
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Because the higher capacity allows on-demand TV. You pay for access to one channel at a time, aside from the "core" ones (usually less than 20). You must have a converter per channel decoded and are most certainly not paying for, nor receiving, everything everyone else on the entire network is watching at the same time.
That worked 50 years ago when there was no technology to allow anything else. But since then, we've added PPV and on-demand and data services that do not need to be received everywhere at once. And an increased level of service, like adding on-demand, is a real benefit to TV users like yourself that requires the tuning adapters.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
If you are going to sign every post the same, please put that in your sig. I read it the first time, and it's no truer now than it was before. I don't need to read it again every time you post.
Learn to love Alaska
The total availability to everyone has increased. You are not their only customer. Presumably, if they couldn't increase usable bandwidth in that manner, your prices would have increased or your choices decreased as the total load increased.
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I'm not the one who thinks SDV is an anti-piracy device. Nor am I the one who just posted my full name and address on the Internet. So no, I'm not the idiot here.
Where you fail to realize the problem with your anti-piracy scenario is that it does not eliminate the popular signals. When my tuning adapter was broken, I could always receive ESPN, because my local loop includes a bar that has it on 24/7. So, your anti-piracy plan has utterly failed to prevent me from pirating ESPN. Or any of the other popular channels that you can still receive because other subscribers are using tuning adapters.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
There's always a signal on a modern cable line. That signal does not always include a channel.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Again, you seem to have no idea what's going on with SDV. There is no such thing as "pirate TUNING". There is just tuning. However, a modern cable system requires two-way communication between the set-top box and the equipment at the cable office. Your Tivo does not have the capability of doing this new-fangled tuning, because there is no standard with which your Tivo could comply to do so. So you are given an adapter that makes your Tivo's tuning work with your cable company's tuning.
It's a little like how analog TV tuners can no longer receive a signal from a set of rabbit ears. Tuning for OTA broadcasts has changed, so a new tuner is required.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Seriously, you just posted you full name and address on the Internet, and I'm supposed to be the idiot? Wanna post your SSN next?
No, actually you yourself benefit. Since you subscribe to every service they offer, you receive much faster Internet service because of the tuning adapter.
But you'd have to actually understand the slightest bit about how the technology works to understand that.
And lastly...
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
The features of "more on-demand choices" and "more available bandwidth" have increased. And the tuning adapters provide you with the valuable service of a usable service. If you have an issue with it, there are satellite TV choices available. Apparently, you think they are stealing from you by accepting the checks you keep sending them. And that makes you the idiot.
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You are paying someone you claim is lying to you. That makes you the stupidest person on the planet. Also, I think you are lying about the on-demand choices. Prove me wrong with links to the number of choices you had 3 years ago and the number today. Otherwise I'll know you are not only the stupidest person on the planet for paying people you claim are harming you, but also a liar.
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I look forward to all of the interesting mail you will receive. I'm not enough of an ass to actually misuse the personal data you stupidly revealed. But I'm sure there's plenty of other people on the Internet who are.
Except correct.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
I didn't lie. I'm stating the truth. You are voluntarily paying money to someone for something you claim is harming you. That makes you an idiot. You then defend them and attack them in the same sentence. That makes you insane. Seek help. Oh, and since you aren't saying what lineup you are comparing, you are, as I predicted, a liar. You are lying about your HD content. Lying about your lineup. Lying about what the tuning adapter gives you. It helps you with your insanity. Good luck with that.
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You claim that tuning adapters are anti-piracy. The cable company says they are not. So, are you lying or are they? If they are, then you are willingly giving money to someone lying to you. If they are not, then you are a liar. So, which is it? Are you a liar, or are they? Well, and since you claimed you aren't paying a liar, if they are liars, you are a liar. If they aren't a liar, then you are a liar. So no matter what you say, you must be a liar. Liar.
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You are lying again. I never put any words in your mouth. You stated you pay the cable companies, and that you claim the tuning adapters are for piracy. They state they are for improved service. So either you are lying or they are. Which is it?
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No, thankfully you provided your information, so there is recourse for your lies. Again, I'm not enough of an ass to actually do anything about it, but keep on going the way your're going. I'm sure it'll work out in the end.
As am I, I'm just not dumb enough to advertise my name and location.
Yet you keep replying. If I was actually nothing, you'd have abandoned this thread long ago.
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
you insinuated that you would... but only after i did... then, after i did, you backed out like the coward that you are. why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you are completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
Actually, we established long ago what you don't know what you're talking about. Or did you forget the part where lots of other people in this thread pointed out where you were wrong?
Once again, you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Seriously? You're so technologically illiterate that you don't understand that posting personal information on the Internet is dangerous?
Jeez, the kids in your generation were supposed to be technically savvy.
And once again, if I was 'nothing' or 'pathetic', you'd have abandoned this thread long ago. Instead, you keep posting over and over again, seeming to hope that if I give in you will be proven right. Unfortunately...
you're saying the same thing, and you are still wrong.
Since you haven't asked them and I have, you should either ask them or stop lying. Go on, ask them what they are for.
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I never lied. You are lying about me lying. The cable companies claim the tuning adapters are there to improve service. You claim otherwise. I've never said anything inconsistent with that, and that's not a lie. You are lying because you are wrong and a lying troll.
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http://www.timewarnercable.com/centraltx/learn/cable/sdv/
Time Warner says they are for bandwidth efficiency. If you are with them, then you are wrong and a liar. If you are not with them, tell me who you are with and I will quote an appropriate page from them with the same claim.
You are a liar and wrong on all points. They claim they are for bandwidth efficiency. You claim that is a lie. You are paying them or another company with the same claims. Thus, you are paying someone you claim is a liar.
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you are a raging coward. an ignorant lying hypocrite.
ur mum's face are a liar and wrong on all points.
why do you refuse to disclose your real name and address where you can be reached? why do you cower? what are you afraid of? why do place lies in the mouths of others? are you scared of the truth? you're completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you're an ignorant coward that hypocritically lies by placing untrue claims in the mouths of others. you can not be trusted.
you are completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You are a liar. You won't tell me who you have for service because you know I can prove you a liar. You company has claimed that it is for bandwidth reduction. Everything you say to the opposite is a lie. You pay a company that lies to you.
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Bandwidth is not fixed. The more people watching on-demand, the more bandwidth they need. That is not fixed. You don't understand the basics of bandwidth. Try reading up on the subject before lying in public where we all can see and call you a liar for it. Bandwidth requirements increase with the number of on-demand streams.
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you are a ignorant, lying hypocrite who can not be trusted. you are completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you don't understand the difference between supply and demand.... probably because you're an ignorant, lying hypocrite who can not be trusted.
the number of potential on-demand streams remains fixed, and bandwidth must be alloted to guarantee the potential of full utilization. try reading ANYTHING. you're a cowardly moron.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You are paying someone you claim is lying to you.
i have never paid ANYONE i would claim has lied to me. this is how you attempt to dissuade others with regard to the commercial cable television industry? what is your given name? where do you live? who do you work for? why are you putting lies into my mouth?
you are completely pathetic... and then you call ME a liar? you're an ignorant hypocrite who can not be trusted. you're the worst kind of liar... you put false claims in the mouths of others. your voice need be eliminated.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
Because the higher capacity allows on-demand TV
if on-demand wasn't "allowed" before tuning adapters, THEN HOW HAVE I USED IT FOR 10+ YEARS WITHOUT A TUNING ADAPTER?
you're a liar... an obvious marketing cog for the cable industry, who cowers in anonymity.
what is your given name? where do you live? who do you work for? why do you choose to lie?
you're completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you refuse to cease cowering, and refuse to continue attempting your lies.
you are completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You are a liar. You haven't had on demand for 10 years. You can prove me wrong at any time with the name of your provider, liar.
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They increased the capabilities of the system with bandwidth savings from tuning adapters. You are getting a material benefit from them being there. Everything you say contradicting that is a lie.
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We can check that with the name of your provider. Let's see what they've published about their reasons for the tuning adapters. On no, you'll just lie again to hide your company so I can't prove you wrong. So quit lying and answer the question.
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Your statements regarding the tuning adapters are in conflict with theirs. Either you are an admitted liar, or you are paying a liar. Which is it?
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You are incorrectly assuming they allot for all users to use on demand at the same time. That's an incorrect assumption, and you'd have to be a mentally ill idiot to assert it.
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you're an idiot.
a pathetic excuse of a marketing cog, who spends their time attempting to lie to consumers to get them to lay down and store and power a device for the cable industry that provides them with no additional features.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you're an idiot.
you claimed that i claimed my provider lied to me.... they never lied to me, and i never claimed they did. you are pathetic. a cowardly liar who refuses to divulge their real name and address because of "MAIL".
ur mum's face is a lie.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
my cable company never lied to me, and i never claimed they lied to me. you claimed i claimed that they had, BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR.
ur mum's face are an admitted liar... i already told you who i am... and now you accuse me of being a paid liar WHILE YOU COWER AND REFUSE TO DIVULGE YOUR NAME OR ADDRESS?
why do you cower? why do you lie?
to answer your ignorant question: IT'S NEITHER. you are completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
the only assumption i'm working on is that YOU ARE A LIAR. you claim that i claimed that my cable company lied to me... THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
i ask your real name, as you are obviously an ignorant marketing cog for the cable industry, AND YOU REFUSE. why do you cower? why do you lie? what are you afraid of?
you are completely pathetic.
ur mum's face'd have to be a mentally ill idiot to assert it.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you're an ignorant hypocrite who refuses to take responsibility for your crimes. you have committed the crime of defamation towards an individual named michael kristopeit who lives at 4513 brittany ct. eau claire, wi 54701. YOU are the criminal.
present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i will kill you.
pretty simple, coward.
You are lying. All bandwidth services, including on demand, are over-subscribed. That you assert they should not be has no relation to whether they are, nor whether they should be.
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Cable TV subscribers do benefit from non-use of bandwidth. If the non-use can't be leveraged for something else (on-demand over-subscription or cable modems) then the costs of the service must increase. They are reducing the cost by doing this and if they didn't, your bill would be higher. That's a direct benefit to cable TV subscribers.
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They have lied to you. I can prove it if you name them. You will not because you know it will demonstrate you to be a liar.
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Yes. All you have to do is tell the truth that contradicts my lies. But you won't. Why? Because you are a liar.
A tuning adapter gives you the added feature of a working service. You've said so. That's useful to you, so you pay them for that and for the electricity to keep it working.
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a liar claiming anything about anyone, especially someone that they ignorantly and hypocritically put claims of lies in their mouth that were themselves lies, CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.
you claimed that i claimed that my cable tv provider lied to me. I NEVER MADE SUCH A CLAIM. you are pathetic, cowardly liar that refuses to provide their given name or address, while i have done just that, and haven't stooped so low as to put lies in your mouth.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
you're an ignorant, hypocritically, cowardly liar that should have their voice removed.
ur mum's face has no relation to whether they are, nor whether they should be.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
on-demand bandwidth demands are fixed and already alloted and accounted for tv subscribers by device.
the TV subscribers bills would not be higher without tuning adapters... the INTERNET subscribers bills would be higher. in fact, the cable tv subscribers ELECTRIC bills are higher with them, as they provide no additional features, but add the liability where failing to power or store the device will render the paid service as a black screen. how your mother let you get this stupid is beyond me. you don't understand logic... you don't understand the concept of addition, and you put lies in the mouths of others to attempt to make faulty points.
you're an ignorant, hypocritical, cowardly liar that has refused to claim your given name or address.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
why do you pathetically lie and then hypocritically deny it and claim your victim/accuser is a liar themselves?
who taught you that "the costs of the service MUST increase"? why "MUST" they increase? do you have a degree? are you retarded?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
YOU CLAIMED that i had made such a claim when i had not..... which makes you A LIAR. and further more it makes you a hypocrite as you have failed to acknowledge or repent from your obvious transgressions.
you are a pathetic, cowardly hypocrite, who must stoop to defamation to ignorantly attempt to make an invalid point.
ur mum's face will not because you know it will demonstrate you to be a liar.
learn some logic, moron.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You are arguing "shouldn't" when it's obviously the case. Your personal opinion doesn't trump reality.
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i have NEVER had an issue with on-demand programming due to bandwidth limitations.
That's because you have a tuning adapter. QED.
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The demands are not fixed. They would obviously be lower at, say, 10 a.m. when people are at work, vs 9 p.m. So the demand is obviously variable. Or are you too stupid to realize that people don't sit around watching on-demand 24/7?
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The point is they are lying to you. You are lying about what they say, and lying by omission when you won't tell us who your provider is. You are the liar here.
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They are lying to you. Read the website of your provider and you'll see.
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You are changing what you are lying about because I prove you wrong every time. I can't prove you are a lying bastard 100% of the time because you say a different lie every time. Just pick one lie to stick with and it will be easer. Thanks.
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i'm stating facts.
The state the fact of which provider you use, and we can put this whole thing to rest. Mr. Fact Stater shouldn't have any trouble with that. Or are you going to make up more lies to hide the truth so that you can continue to lie about your tuning adapters?
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you are a pathetic, ignorant, hypocritical coward.
i have stated facts and you failed to refute them, as you misquote me and suggest i have claimed others are liars when i have not. nothing is more cowardly or pathetic.
YOU are lying to me, thus you can not be trusted or listened to. YOUR WORDS ARE MEANINGLESS.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
for all i know,
And for all you know, your mother was a prostitute and you were born to some random John of hers. If you are going to go off on random hypotheticals, we might as well make them interesting, rather than the conspiracy theory lies you propagate.
If we had to stick to what you know for a conversation, we'd be stuck talking about Barney or the Teletubbies or whatever you watch in your prostitute mom's basement all day. Because you obviously don't know anything else.
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you present no lies that you claim i've made, while i HAVE proven you've lied numerous times. you've proven NOTHING except your own ability and willingness to spread falsehoods.
you are an ignorant, pathetic, hypocritical, lying coward that can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
They are lying to you. Go read the website to see the lie. That you refuse to listen doesn't change the fact that they have stated the lie.
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Sure, you don't have to do anything I say. But that makes you a liar when you then use your refusal to answer a simple question to hide the truth and claim that I'm wrong. You'd rather remain a liar who thinks himself correct than be proven wrong and a liar. I get it. So continue to lie and conceal the truth while accusing others of the same, even when I'm obviously not concealing anything related to tuning adapters.
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you are a liar... you can not be trusted and should not be listened to... there is no we, and there is nothing to put to rest. i state facts, you lie. it's just that simple... you are a completely pathetic, ignorant, hypocritical lying coward. i have NEVER lied.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You refuse to answer any questions I ask at all, so why should I answer yours? And the question I'm asking you can not be used to personally identify you in any way, but you are asking personal details of me. That's not even remotely similar. And the detail I'm asking of you is directly related to the topic at hand, and what you ask of me isn't.
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you're completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You are lying again thinking we'll accept the lies of a proven liar to prove the point.
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you are NOTHING.
what do you believe i have lied about? i assure you, i haven't, as i have proven that you have.
you pathetically cower and put lies in the mouths of others, and then hypocritically attempt to claim they are liars when they call you out on it and you fail to refute their claims.
you can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
why do you cower? what are you afraid of?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
Your cable provider is lying to you by publishing facts. That you choose to not read them doesn't mean they aren't saying that. They've lied to you. You've lied to me. You deserve them. You hate their service (at least some portion of it) and yet pay them money like a moron.
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You claim the tuning adapters are for piracy. They claim they are for bandwidth efficiency. You contradict them. Either you are lying or they are.
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i also never claimed that i "hate" their service... you continue to put lies in the mouths of others... why? does the truth frighten you?
what is your given name? what is your address? why do you choose to cower?
you are a pathetic, hypocritical liar that can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
The fact is that your cable provider claims that tuning adapters are for bandwidth efficiency. You've never said anything to contradict that statement, other than you refuse to listen to them when they publish such facts on their website and such.
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You are lying about what tuning adapters are for. You are lying about your mother's previous profession. You are lying about what the cable company told you. You are lying about what you've said. You are lying about what I've said. There's nothing you've said that isn't a lie. And, since you give nothing that's an external reference, the only thing you say that indicates you aren't lying is more lies. Lies and the lying liars who tell them.
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i only take the word of REAL PEOPLE... you choose to cower and remove yourself from reality. what is your given name? what is your address? why do you cower? what are you afraid of? why do you lie and put lies in the mouths of others?
i am NOT lying, and i have made no claims that my service provider is lying to me. you claimed that i did, BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR.
you are a pathetic, ignorant hypocrite that can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you're a pathetic coward. an ignorant hypocrite that lies and places lies in the mouths of others, and that can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
AND SUCH. you're an idiot.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You made statement that required it to be true. So you were lying then or you are lying now. And you can prove me wrong with a link to a single cable company (yours or any others) that claims tuning adapters are for piracy. You can't because you are a liar.
what is your given name?
My given name is Marc. I've answered one of your questions, now answer one of mine, what is your cable company? Or are you going to demand answers when you are unwilling to give any of your own? I'd expect no less from a liar.
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"They" claimed no such thing. The one uninformed install person you asked said that. You haven't ever gotten an answer. You don't want an answer. You'd rather lie about what they claim than to know the truth. You are a lying liar.
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you have continued to make personal attacks against myself and my family.
i offer you a simple solution:
present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i will kill you.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you're a pathetic, cowering hypocrite. you put lies in the mouths of others. you can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
i demand nothing. i present facts. you lie. you cower.
you're completely pathetic.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you're and idiot.
ur mum's face are a lying liar. you place lies in the mouths of others... you do not refute that claim. you can not be trusted and should not be listened to. your question are MEANINGLESS.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
They said they didn't know, and you are taking their lack of knowledge as an official company position. I know rocks smarter than you. They at least know when to shut up. You wear your lying ignorance on your sleeve. That is, if your mother bothered to dress you that morning.
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present yourself to me; admit what you've done, then i will kill you.
I'll be happy to. How do I find you?
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Prove it. Link their website to prove they don't claim they are for bandwidth savings or increased services.
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i know liars that lie less than you. ur mum's face wear your lying ignorance on your sleeve.
you are a pathetic, hypocritical coward that refuses to claim your full given name or address, and puts lies in the mouths and others. why do you cower? what are you afraid of? why do you lie?
you are a liar... your words are meaningless as you can't be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
you are a liar. your words are meaningless and can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
game over, moron. you are a cowardly hypocrite that places lies in the mouths of others. you can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
there are NO additional services to cable tv subscribers as a result of tuning adapters, instead there is added liability where failure to power or store the device will render the service as a black screen.... you ignorantly claim that continuing to receive an unchanged service is an "additional feature". you're an idiot.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You asked for my name and I gave it. You are lying again. You won't answer any questions I ask you. Again, because you are a liar. You've only stated lies and nothing but lies, and when I answer your questions you ask, you refuse to answer mine. That makes you a hypocrite as well.
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I don't need your help to know you are a liar. I've told you how you can prove me wrong, and you refuse to do it. So that proves that not only are you a liar, but that you know for a fact that you are wrong.
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The company in question who told you that they are for piracy (which they never did, even by your own admission) is relevant to the conversation. But you are lying about that to cover up the thousands of other lies you've told.
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you are pathetic, ignorant, hypocritical coward. why?
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS.
You asked me to present myself. If you want that, then you should help me. If you don't want that and you asked for it anyway, then you are a liar. Since you didn't help, then we know what you are.
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They conceded to shut up the whining brat that was getting in the way of them installing your mother's cable. You could have claimed it was a device to call aliens and they'd have conceded it to shut you up. That's not proof of the anti-piracy conspiracy. That's proof that even the installer knew you were an asshole and wanted you to stop bugging him.
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My birth certificate doesn't list just that as my name. There are other parts to a name, such as the family name. I've proven that the cable companies directly contradict your lies. I can't link to all of them, but I'd happily link to yours. What is it again?
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The wording made it an order or request, not a description. You said nothing to alter that clear meaning in English. So instead, you lie later about what you really meant. But I wouldn't expect any less from a liar like you. Not to mention that if it was a description of what you would do if you ever did meet me, you committed a felony. But then, I expect you to lie about that too.
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Your mother subscribes to cable because you live in her basement and you talk about her cable install all the time. Did you forget to ask your mother for permission to use the Internet? Go run upstairs and ask her now. You don't want to get grounded again.
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you're a pathetic, ignorant hypocrite who can not change what they are.
ur mum's face talk about her cable install all the time.
you're an idiot.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS. THE CABLE INSTALLER I SUGGEST AS SUCH TO DID NOT DISAGREE WITH ME.
you're an idiot. if you had ANY understanding of logic AT ALL you would understand that i made no claims about what would happen if i met you... i told you what would happen ONLY IF you presented yourself to me and admitted what we both know you did.
as you have chosen to cower, THERE IS NO YOU.
you are NOTHING.
you are a pathetic, cowardly hypocrite who's only tactic is placing lies in the mouths of others.
you are a liar who can not be trusted and should not be listened to.
TUNING ADAPTERS ARE A PURE PLAY AGAINST PIRACY AT THE EXPENSE OF SUBSCRIBERS. THE CABLE INSTALLER I SUGGEST AS SUCH TO DID NOT DISAGREE WITH ME.
"Given name" has a specific meaning separate from "family name." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_name
At least you've been consistent in being a liar with everything you've ever said. You can't even post from the same username. I ended up hitting my posting cap, so Slashdot said no more playing with the troll.
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