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'Smart' Vending Machines Triple Sales

bossanovalithium writes "A vending machine in Japan which recommends drinks to customers based on facial recognition data has tripled sales. JR East Water Business has previously installed two vending machines in JR Shinagawa station and it is believed that the recognition technology is responsible for a vast increase in sales in comparison to traditional machines. The vending machines recommend beverages after physical attributes of customers are picked up by sensors which allow the machines determine age, sex and other attributes, before offering a number of suggestions."

234 comments

  1. Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Regardless of your age, sex, or other characteristics, the machines always produce a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

    1. Re:Tea? by Extremus · · Score: 3, Funny

      However, if you stick a photo of Margareth Thatcher to your face, it will produce a beverage entirely like tea, but with poison in it.

    2. Re:Tea? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Hmm, with me, I guess it should be either Balvenie 21yr scotch, or a good beer (currently enjoying Hopitoulas as a good local favorite).

      Depends if it is a school night or not mostly...hard to get up for work the next day early, after too many scotches on the rocks.

      I for one would happily encourage such vending machines in the US, but if they only gave out boring soft drinks and the like...fsck them.

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    3. Re:Tea? by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regardless of your age, sex, or other characteristics, the machines always produce a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      US version sticks to slightly diluted high fructose corn syrup.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    4. Re:Tea? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whenever I use one of these they always either spit out a bottle of Clearasil, or a paper bag with eye holes cut out.

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      The enemies of Democracy are
    5. Re:Tea? by camperslo · · Score: 1

      You'd think that with all of the genetically altered and engineered food out there, they would have it altering our DNA so that an unaltered image of our faces contains what amounts to a stenographic browser cookie. That's in parallel with the old-school tech of the infrared readable barcode on the forehead.

      Ready to go on new diet yet?? Maybe it is time for a list of approved geek foods.

      - -
      Conan, once a writer for the Simpsons, now lives on TBS. Competing slot with John Stewart?!?

    6. Re:Tea? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      That's not really technically feasible.

      And if it was, then someone could genetically engineer you from the ability to get ill from cancer or by virus or other infection by adding it to the food supply. Yes, if it was possible, I could think of a ton of more productive uses then suggesting which flavor of Doritos or cola to purchase.

    7. Re:Tea? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Balvenie is fine, but the doublewood is just too woody to drink without a little water to open it up. I never thought I would find such a drink, but it really is too woody.

    8. Re:Tea? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      You'd think that with all of the genetically altered and engineered food out there, they would have it altering our DNA so that

      That was the interesting part of your post. Here's how I would've continued it... ...it only has to serve one drink, thus maximizing profit for the vending machine owner.

    9. Re:Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless of your age, sex, or other characteristics, the machines always produce a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      This reminds me of two old stories.:

      Years ago, in college, a friend (?) handed me a cup he'd just gotten from a vending machine and said, "Does this coffee taste funny to you?" I took a sip and nearly blew it across the room. Ha, ha -- it was beef soup.

      Mahatma Gandhi was at a reception, He took a sip from the cup in front of him. He then said to one of the servers, "If this is tea, may I have some coffee? If this is coffee, may I have some tea?"

    10. Re:Tea? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Regardless of your age, sex, or other characteristics, the machines always produce a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      Or actual green tea, which you find in more vending machines than plain water over there. There are in fact vending machines which serve nothing but various brands of green tea. It will be funny if and when they put this technology on those machines. "Determining height and weight.... calculating drink demographics... comparing to available products... suggestion: buy some green tea or GTFO."

    11. Re:Tea? by Dthief · · Score: 1

      Would you be surprised if the most productive use (saving lives from cancer) got put on hold in order to make more money (sell Doritos)

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    12. Re:Tea? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I walked by it suggested diet soda or water and a jog around the park.

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    13. Re:Tea? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      And when it delivers said beverage, it says "Share and Enjoy!"

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    14. Re:Tea? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Balvenie is fine, but the doublewood is just too woody to drink without a little water to open it up. I never thought I would find such a drink, but it really is too woody."

      Well, I figure the ice cubs I swirl it around in...melts and provides the water required.

      I think the 12yr is the only double wood they do? Give the 15yr (single barrel) or the 21 year (port wood) a try...they are VERY smooth.

      I have had the 17yr (sherry wood) that was quite nice too. But give theirs that aren't doublewood a try and see if they are not too woody for you?

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    15. Re:Tea? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Yea, I would be surprised. This type of tech would be coming from university research first with a patent application of some sort to follow. New like something that can do this would be too important for the Mass media to ignore so there would likely be a public outcry that would stop any potential profits from any attempts to sell something other then cures.

      That and about the only reason we accept bio-engineered/GM foods either being sold to us or as a feed stock for food we eat is the somewhat flaky assurances that it wouldn't effect us. If that was ever to end, there would likely be a revolt on the scale of bankruptcy for many companies. Right now, it's just the uber conscious that are aware- if something like that was possible, it would be everyone especially the poor and more ignorant of the population who would see it as more then an advertising attempt, and something seriously cynical.

      Now, I might agree that someone might suggest or try to use it to make more money with a consumable product first. I just see that exploding in their faces really quickly. If 25% of the country can force the FDA to require labeling for certain GM foods, just think what would happen if 50% or better started complaining. I mean look at the small percentage of support for the bans on transfats and how many places they are banned. It's not like you cannot get transfats anymore, you just can't buy them at restaurants and certain grocery stores anymore.

    16. Re:Tea? by Extremus · · Score: 1

      A photo of whom, you slack cunt?

      Well, I'm not sure, to be honest with you. It is just a person frequently mentioned in Monty Python and Mock the Week stuff. Sorry, I only make joke.

    17. Re:Tea? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Regardless of your age, sex, or other characteristics, the machines always produce a beverage almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

      I suppose male pattern baldness and a deep, fatherly voice will get you "Earl Grey, hot."

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    18. Re:Tea? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      "Balvenie is fine, but the doublewood is just too woody to drink without a little water to open it up. I never thought I would find such a drink, but it really is too woody."

      Well, I figure the ice cubs I swirl it around in...melts and provides the water required.

      Scottish people don't drink whisky with ice, they use water (if anything, but there's nothing wrong with adding some water). Cold impairs taste, whisky should be served at room temperature.

    19. Re:Tea? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, every time there is a story on these machines I'm reminded of the toaster in Red Dwarf.

      "How about a cola"
      No.
      "Lemonade"
      No, I'm not thirsty.
      "Some sort of sweetened cabonated water"
      I don't want a drink
      "Maybe some iced tea will change your mind?"
      No it won't.
      "You don't like iced tea?"
      I like iced tea.
      "Please deposit $2 for your iced tea."

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    20. Re:Tea? by FrederikNS · · Score: 1

      Drinking whisky with ice waters the whisky down, making it lose taste, the cold further more hides even more taste. To not ruin your whisky, you should only add a few drops of mineral water, swirl it around a couple of times, and drink it at room temperature.

    21. Re:Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have stopped selling them at restaurants and grocery stores, and I havnt noticed.. do I care?

    22. Re:Tea? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Stopped selling what?

    23. Re:Tea? by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      What does your face need to look like to get a beer?

    24. Re:Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watering whisky down actually opens up the flavor. It's only cold that causes a problem. Fucking *try it* before spouting off, you ignorant pompous snooty ass.

    25. Re:Tea? by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      Better not let the Tea Party hear you say that they might become upset and threaten to have you tea bagged or Joe Miller'd (take your pick).

    26. Re:Tea? by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      Scottish people don't drink whisky with ice

      Many Scottish people do. Whisky snobs think you should only drink it with water, at room temperature - some people like the variation in temperature and taste that ice brings as it melts and dilutes the whisky, particularly if the weather is hot. I like it both ways, though actually adding water doesn't do much for me, I prefer it neat or with ice, does depend on the whisky though.

      Some people like it with water, some with ice, some with a beer as a chaser, and some with irn bru (a good way to drink some of the poorer blended whiskies like famous grouse, if that's all you have available, much like Jack Daniels and coke) - why this should bother you I have no idea.

    27. Re:Tea? by FrederikNS · · Score: 1

      I know that water opens up the flavor of your whisky, but ice introduces too much water, which dilutes the taste. up to 4 drops of water is usually all it takes.

    28. Re:Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never realised it before but Talkie Toaster is really just a cybernetic version of Mrs Doyle from Father Jack...

    29. Re:Tea? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      I can only assume he's referring to your typo (it's Margaret, not Margareth) in the least helpful and most offensive way he could think of.

      She was Prime Minister of the UK during the 1980s.

    30. Re:Tea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never realised it before but Talkie Toaster is really just a cybernetic version of Mrs Doyle from Father Jack...

      TED. Father TED, for feck's sake!

    31. Re:Tea? by teslafreak · · Score: 1

      If it doesn't, it should certainly be modified to.

  2. Person by lemmis_86 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, here we call them waitresses, and they can talk too! (and are pleasant to look at)

    1. Re:Person by immakiku · · Score: 1

      There's waiters too you insensitive clod. (as well as unpleasant waitresses)

    2. Re:Person by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this sort of technology honestly offends my sense of shibumi. Then again so do vending machines in general, but less so. Something to perform a mechanical task is one thing... an avenue for the lazy. Something designed specifically to think for you, to amuse you with strange and pointless mind rot, and to generally add more noise and more information load to your day (it talks, there is auditory load, there are suggestions to think about) is simply disgraceful.

    3. Re:Person by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      So you don't like Slashdot?

    4. Re:Person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to try to sound intelligent, use the correct word "Shibui". Otherwise, you look doubly stupid for trying to sound more educated than you are.

    5. Re:Person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where's the '-1, Pretentious Twat' mod when you really need it?

    6. Re:Person by lemmis_86 · · Score: 1

      English is not my mother tongue you insensitive clod :)

    7. Re:Person by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Shibui deals with beautiful things; Shibumi deals with the nature of beauty. To comment in general on the CONCEPT of a vending machine-- not that it's ugly or beautiful, but the very concept of its existence and its effect on life and beauty-- is more a topic of the nature of beauty than on a beautiful thing.

      I don't think the machine itself is ugly. Hell, you could decorate it to be quite shibui. I think what it suggests about society and what it encourages is ugly. It is the same trend that leads people to shave with an electric shredder while texting on their cell phone and thinking ineffectively about jumbles of nothing under the honest belief that their worrying is productive, rushing out the door with a bagel they microwaved with a fried egg on it to melt the tasteless processed "cheese" (actually congealed vegetable oil) slice they paid for, only to spend half their day at work getting excited over the latest shiny but ultimately personally useless thing that came out of Apple or Microsoft that's even less functional than the last thing (more DRM, fewer features, lower battery life, does nothing but replace the last thing and force you to buy more...).

      I dislike this machine. It offends my universal concept of shibumi.

    8. Re:Person by MachDelta · · Score: 1

      There's waiters too...

      It's ok, it doesn't appear to be his mother tongue either. ;)

    9. Re:Person by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There are sommeliers too, you uncouth clod.

    10. Re:Person by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Hay now, that's not what my "power words to impress your coworkers and boss" book says....

      Come to think about it, Maybe I was thinking about Shipoopi instead?

    11. Re:Person by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Well, be happy, because of this kind of machines, waitress will focus more on being pleasant and talking and less on serving.

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    12. Re:Person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dislike this post.

      It offends my sense of shibumi.

    13. Re:Person by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'm very careful about how I use the term "Shibumi." Mainly I only use it to refer to a particular book by Trevanian, because the concept is really deep and philosophical and also happens to be a title of a book. It makes sense to refer to a book by name; it takes a LOT of contemplation to make sense of deep philosophical topics like the basic nature of aesthetics, though.

      That is more an issue of not wanting to be wrong, so not making claims I'm largely uncertain of. I should probably restrict this to when I'm professing knowledge; but any time I speak I'm professing knowledge. If I say something incorrect, some idiot is going to repeat it. On the other hand, it is said in Go: to underplay all the time is not only to lose, but to fail to learn; overplays are mistakes, but each teaches you, and by time and experience you will learn to make less of them and instead make only bold, effective moves instead of weak overplays or safe but meek underplays.

    14. Re:Person by immakiku · · Score: 1

      "Waiters" as a group you unobservant clod!

    15. Re:Person by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. That was an attempted jab at humor. It appears I lost it.

      Years ago there used to be late night infomercials for a book called "power words to be successful"(or something similar). People who probably had the educational equivalence of a third grader purchased these books and all the sudden, you have lots of idiots using words like pontification to mean making something look like a Pontiac car or something. In other words, it ended up with people using five dollar words who didn't even know the meaning because they thought they sounded more educated or something.

      Anyways, the two links I posted with the shipoopi was about comedy sketches done by Buddy Hacket and the family guy character Peter Grifith. It was supposed to illustrate my intention of getting it wrong.

    16. Re:Person by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Ahh okay. Yeah even more irritating is people sprinkling an unbelievable proportion of their extended vocabulary into their speech. Even when correct, you're now spewing a whole hell of a lot of shit outside my typical daily use of the language; I have to think, which is okay, until I have to spend 15 seconds on every third word to vaguely recall whit it might mean... or pull out a pocket dictionary to figure out wtf you're talking about. That's just ridiculous.

  3. Sounds like the Nutrimatic Drinks Dispenser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy

  4. Apple User Detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Offer this person:

    • Lube
    • Retrovirals
    • iPhone 5
    • Justin Bieber Cover for iPhone 5
    • Vending Machine Handjob

    The possibilities are endless.

    1. Re:Apple User Detected by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      You forgot Kneepads.

  5. In other news, by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    The Japanese get a kick out of profiling and the gimmicky amusement of having a machine tell you that girls like the girly brand of tea isn't a long-term business model.

    1. Re:In other news, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I'm picturing a machine yelling at me, "Hey, fatass, maybe you should get the diet soda instead!"

    2. Re:In other news, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also it's somewhat impolite to be disagreeable so, if something is telling you directly to do something you will do it.

    3. Re:In other news, by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Only in Japan would people feel peer pressure from a machine.

    4. Re:In other news, by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I agree. Vending machines are everywhere in Tokyo. You'll find a row of vending machines across the street from a row of vending machines, you then walk around the corner and there will be another row of vending machines. Vending machines equipped with this have tripled sales, you can't tell me that's new customers. Look at sales from surrounding, normal vending machines (and there will be other vending machines nearby.) They'll have decreased sales: people who were going to buy a drink bought it from that one because of the gimmick.

      If a company were to put this on all of their vending machines they'd do more business, until their competitors put it on theirs, at which point no one would see increased sales, just increased prices, and with capitalism the way it is in Japan, I'm guessing it's really only one or two competing vending machines in most areas.

  6. Recommending beverages after physical attributes by decipher_saint · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do the machines call out? If they do I hope they sound like Bender (but you know, in Japanese):

    "Hey fatass, got a nice 200 oz can of fried chicken here!"

    "Hey baby! All the supermodels are drinking Diet Water, what's your deal?"

    And so forth...

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  7. Lawsuit city! by snarfies · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't wait until a big fatso waddles up to one of these machines in America so I can see what the machine recommends. It either recommends a Diet Coke, because you're fat and need to lose a few (dozen), or it offers you a regular Coke, because it knows you probably drink a LOT of it. Its a lawsuit either way. Either the fatso has their feelings hurt and sues for emotional damage, or some random do-gooder sues for pushing sugary drinks to those who lack the willpower to say "no."

    1. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you walk up to one and it offers you some "Summers Eve"

    2. Re:Lawsuit city! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Problem is - this kind of profiling isn't against the law.

      Where's the lawsuit about Tab Energy being marketted directly towards women?

      Go look for it. That should keep you buys for a while.

    3. Re:Lawsuit city! by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When I was in Japan a few times earlier this decade I drank a ton of Coke. I don't know what it was about it but it was super delicious. I'm guessing it was real sugar instead of HFCS. So yeah, I hope they recommend Coke!

      The catch in Japan is that it's not socially polite to walk around with drinks, you're encouraged to hang out at the vending machine and finish it off right there. Of course, taboos be damned, we had cheap electronics stores to explore.

    4. Re:Lawsuit city! by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      It may also suggest bottled water. In Europe both CC and PC produce it, I bet that it's the same in USA.

    5. Re:Lawsuit city! by mcsqueak · · Score: 1

      The catch in Japan is that it's not socially polite to walk around with drinks, you're encouraged to hang out at the vending machine and finish it off right there. Of course, taboos be damned, we had cheap electronics stores to explore.

      Yeah, and they enforce it by not having recycling bins or trash cans ANY WHERE except right by the vending machines, yet somehow there isn't litter all over the place. When I was there it was incredibly warm and humid, so I'd walk around with a bottle of water or whatever just to stay hydrated, despite the lack of manners it displayed.

    6. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting. A friend of mine (who's twice the weight he should be) just mentioned that one of the biggest problems is the way that people treat you - once you're more than a little chubby, you're not a person to them anymore, but rather a blob, a fat creature that takes up valuable space, and all that. Being called a "whale" is apparently among the nicer things that'll happen to you.

      I knew that this was true in an intellectual way, but your post has really made it sink in. It's not so much that you insult fat people that's the problem; it's that you dehumanize them.

    7. Re:Lawsuit city! by natehoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very true, but GP wasn't talking about being "arrested for breaking the law", he was talking about "being sued for emotional damage" or being sued for "pushing sugary drinks to those who lack the willpower to say "no"".

      Sadly, you don't have to violate an actual law to be sued. You only have to be found responsible for harm done to someone else, and that harm can be as a result of perfectly legal actions.

      In fact, the fact I can be sued for doing something legal makes me sad. I should sue the ambulance-chasers for destroying my quality of life.

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    8. Re:Lawsuit city! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      You can be sued but you can't guarantee you'll win the case.

      There aren't TOO many cases where people have won the lawsuit where they are suing just for emotional damages. Otherwise, I could sue my employer for not letting me spend every waking moment over at a ski-resort.

      You'd be in for quite a stretch if you were going to sue someone for emotional damages over being offered a beverage.

      Would you like fries with that?

    9. Re:Lawsuit city! by icebraining · · Score: 1

      It's called stereotyping and happens to every group outside of what's considered socially acceptable, not just fat people.

    10. Re:Lawsuit city! by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      GJ you two. Mighty big of you, visiting other people's countries and wilfully showing poor manners. You seem so proud. Represent your country well.

    11. Re:Lawsuit city! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about religious nuts (but, I repeat myself) who will file complaints and lawsuits when they repeatedly get recommended caffeinated beverages that are against their religion, even after politely telling the machine that they're Adventists/LDS/whathaveyou.

    12. Re:Lawsuit city! by Dthief · · Score: 1

      You may have just opened up a new flood of lawsuits against employers that will further clog the US legal system.

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    13. Re:Lawsuit city! by Dthief · · Score: 0, Troll

      If he wants to be a person (and not two persons) maybe he should put some effort into dieting

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    14. Re:Lawsuit city! by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      I can't wait until a big fatso waddles up to one of these machines in America so I can see what the machine recommends.

      Although I hesitate to mention slips in an article about Japanese vending machines, this looks like a nice Freudian one...

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    15. Re:Lawsuit city! by mcsqueak · · Score: 1

      GJ you two. Mighty big of you, visiting other people's countries and wilfully showing poor manners. You seem so proud. Represent your country well.

      So you follow every single societal norm, every where you go, at all hours? You must be the most amazing human on earth.

      It was hot. I'm not going to dehydrate. I'll be sure to ring you up before my next trip so I can have your input.

    16. Re:Lawsuit city! by Cwix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alright, I believe wearing a medical mask in public to be insulting. So all the Asians who come to visit, and wear those damned masks must take them off immediately.

      Get real. This isn't them stomping around someones house in muddy shoes. Its carrying a bottle of water around with you. If they honestly find it that offensive, I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere.

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      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    17. Re:Lawsuit city! by Cwix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want to be a person, and not an ahole.. well perhaps you should put some effort into keeping your mouth shut if you feel yourself about to insult someone.

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      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    18. Re:Lawsuit city! by xclr8r · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder how the construction hat with the 2 can holders and Y straw would go over there.

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    19. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Clearly you find a use for insulting people as a means of attempting to alter their behavior towards something you would prefer, why would you advise against it?

    20. Re:Lawsuit city! by Dthief · · Score: 1

      perhaps I shant

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    21. Re:Lawsuit city! by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Whilst I agree that it's wrong to dehumanize them (I'm officially obese, too, at 100kg - but slowly losing some) I do take just as much offence at the "you're OK" culture that so seems to permeate the states these days. Oh, it's not your fault, it's the environment. It's society. It's the evil corporations stuffing you with easily accessible junk food.

      No, it's not, and I'm not OK. I'm FAT, and it's my own goddamn fault for not watching my food intake and for not exercising. It's not fun, but it's nobody's fault but mine.

      As I said, I'm actually losing some, slowly, and it's through deliberate effort. It's not going as fast as it could be, but then I'm still not really exercising, and I'm not great at sticking to diets :-) The main thing is that I've learned the difference between eating because it's lunchtime, and actually being hungry - and what it's been teaching me is that I really need nowhere near 2000kcal per day. Also, all the fancy diet fads are irrelevant: it's just about calories in vs. calories out. Oh, the rest probably helps, but the simple truth is that to lose weight, you simply have to take in less than what you burn, and that's what I'm doing.

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      What a depressingly stupid machine.
    22. Re:Lawsuit city! by lenawash · · Score: 2, Informative

      it's not that really impolite to walk around with a bottle of water, especially in summer when it's really hot and humid. it's more like after 9/11, they took out all the trash bins except around vending machines and convinience stores so if you want to throw your empty bottle, you'd better be close to the place you bought it. cause littering IS considered impolite in japan. just like everywhere else.

    23. Re:Lawsuit city! by lenawash · · Score: 1

      well, "in America" was unnecessary and he should have replaced "a big fatso" with "a mighty sumo warrior".

    24. Re:Lawsuit city! by hitmark · · Score: 1

      I suspect this may be one reason that everyone carries a bag or backpack, independent of gender.

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    25. Re:Lawsuit city! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get real. This isn't them stomping around someones house in muddy shoes. Its carrying a bottle of water around with you. If they honestly find it that offensive, I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere.

      Sorry for posting as anonymous (I don't have an account) but the above is the reason why many people find American (tourists) so offensive.

      It's not about your tourist dollars.

      It's about being polite.

      It might be a difficult concept to grasp, but in other countries there's more to life than just money.

    26. Re:Lawsuit city! by Cwix · · Score: 1

      Well perhaps you will come back and check this. Please answer me why they care about a bottle of water. How is it offensive. I can see how shoes indoors is offensive, or how some hand gestures to some cultures are offensive. Why is a bottle of water offensive?

      Also please refer back to the example I posted earlier. What if I find something they are doing offensive.

      Perhaps I think its highly rude for a man to not hold a door for a woman. Should I get pissed at foreigners who don't do this?

      Its anal retentive to get so pissed, and to judge not just a single person, but an entire country/culture based on me carrying a damn bottle of water.

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    27. Re:Lawsuit city! by Petaris · · Score: 1

      Sadly that doesn't stop people from throwing things in the rivers. :(

      Everything from drink bottles/cans to TVs and couches. Its really quite sad. You will see this in the more rural areas outside of the cities.

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    28. Re:Lawsuit city! by Petaris · · Score: 1

      I've seen plenty of Japanese people walking around with drinks. Especially oocha bottles. This was in the Kansai region so perhaps its a regional thing?

      Also, I have not been in a cheap electronics store yet. Most of the prices are far higher then in the US, if you can even get the item in the US that is. The variety is awesome though. :)

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    29. Re:Lawsuit city! by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Explain to me in logical generic terms why hand gestures are more offensive than bottled water. You can't. (If you were wondering, not eating while walking is similar to the idea of saying grace. It shows disrespect to the food/drink you are about to have. It deserves your attention and enjoyment. Rather than serving as a mere requirement to move forwards.)

      "Perhaps I think its highly rude for a man to not hold a door for a woman. Should I get pissed at foreigners who don't do this?"
      Perhaps you misunderstood. It isn't about anger. It isn't about 'have to' or anything enforced. It isn't a requirement to enter a country. It is about how you want to present yourself.

      If you go to japan and you drink beer while walking down a street and then litter. That is an option, you could do that. And you wouldn't get ejected from Japan. Service would be just as good and people would be polite to you (the majority). It isn't about what you have to do.

      Alternatively you could go to Japan speak the few phrases you picked up. Bow when you are expected. Put money onto the stand rather than into the cashier's hands while purchasing things. Avoid eating or drinking while on the move.

      You have both options available to you. And each presents a different kind of person. You choose how you wish to be perceived.

      As for the man not holding a door open for a woman? You don't need to be pissed. But it would be better if they had kept the door open wouldn't it? I suppose, if you harbour the hope that men show some degree of chivalry in your country. That you should show some degree of respect in others.

      I should say that water is fairly accepted. If you were drinking pop or juice and walking that might be a bit different. BUT, like I said, it isn't the act of carrying a bottle of water that was offensive. It was the pride carried in wilfully disregarding someone's culture while in their land. If you were merely unaware of the etiquette that would be entirely different.

    30. Re:Lawsuit city! by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      They wear medical masks when they are sick to protect you from them. How is doing a service for you an insult? (Just curious)

    31. Re:Lawsuit city! by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the water that bugged me. It was the callous certainty that you seemed to display in your defence. "I broke the rules because they were stupid and I KNOW BETTER." The facts that you are simultaneously a visitor to their country and a representative of yours be damned.

      Also, the person above you was talking about going into electronics shops while drinking coke..... WAYYY worse than presumably outdoors with water. You on your own wouldn't have irritated me to such a degree.

  8. Sounds more like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We've decided for you, so don't spend all that precious mental energy looking at the dozen buttons on the panel." Should work great in the states.

    1. Re:Sounds more like by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      We already do it for elections so why not.

  9. Listen you stupid machine! by farlukar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Listen you stupid machine, it tastes filthy! Here, take this cup back!

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  10. I wonder... by cobrausn · · Score: 1

    What my mohawk and facial hair would cause the system to suggest to me. Monster? Mountain Dew? Get a job and stop loitering?

    I'm willing to bet it wouldn't offer me what I really want, which is an iced tea.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should try it before making baseless assumptions. You aren't as unique as you seem to think you are.

    2. Re:I wonder... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That depends, you go to it often enough, and the data it's collected will say "In my personal experience as a vending machine, quite a few people with facial hair and mohawks like iced tea". And then it'll offer you iced tea.

    3. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the machines are capable of learning, they might as well start recognizing individual faces.

      "In my personal experience as a vending machine, mohawk-guy comes here every Tuesday evening to get his iced tea."

    4. Re:I wonder... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Well recognising an individual face requires more intensive image capturing and processing - which isn't impossible its just more expensive. Then yes, essentially, you could do such a thing. But they've gone with the pseudo similar answer of generalizing a person based on the qualities it can identify, and dishing it whatever answer they have stored.

      Instead of having to increase storage space for remembering each face it sees each day - Generalizing the public and adjusting rates dependant on its interaction doesn't require you to change anything on the machine, ever. It doesn't require more storage space for new faces because it doesn't remember faces. It already has a table of probably drinks per perons build, so the only thing that gets altered is the relational table of drinks to builds, which is altered at the time of interaction. Thus, you have a learning machine based on trends without any extra need to store any information than it already has the ability to store.

    5. Re:I wonder... by cobrausn · · Score: 1

      Sure, buy me a plane ticket to Japan so I can try it without positing a use case and then making an assumption first. Not surprised that was a coward comment.

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    6. Re:I wonder... by jason.sweet · · Score: 1

      my mohawk and facial hair

      Is that on purpose? Or do you just suck at shaving?

    7. Re:I wonder... by cobrausn · · Score: 1

      Both.

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    8. Re:I wonder... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      That depends, you go to it often enough, and the data it's collected will say "In my personal experience as a vending machine, quite a few people with facial hair and mohawks like iced tea". And then it'll offer you iced tea.

      Do you also wear a lot of gold chains and said "I pity the fool" a lot?

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    9. Re:I wonder... by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      "Ah! Welcome! According to my profile established by previous customers matching your characteristics, please enjoy this Mountain Dew and cos-play stroke book! Just remember that the HappyHappy JoyJoy Vending Machine Company Limited hates Microsoft and all information wishes to be free! Have a nice day!"

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    10. Re:I wonder... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      That depends, you go to it often enough, and the data it's collected will say "In my personal experience as a vending machine, quite a few people with facial hair and mohawks like iced tea". And then it'll offer you iced tea.

      Do you also wear a lot of gold chains and said "I pity the fool" a lot?

      Did Mr. T really say "I pity the fool" a lot, or was it just that one time in Rocky III?

      I haven't seen, for instance, his old pro wrestling appearances, or his cartoon, or whatever the hell he's doing these days - so I don't actually know if it's actually a catchphrase he used extensively or not. I watched a bunch of "A Team" episodes and he didn't say it even once.

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  11. I have lower standards. by dtmos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd be satisfied just with a vending machine that (a) was stocked with what I want, and (b) didn't steal my money when I tried to buy it.

    1. Re:I have lower standards. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'd call that HIGHER standards than being marketed to, and no, it ain't gonna happen.

    2. Re:I have lower standards. by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      We have a really old machine where you put all coins in a slot for each coin, then crank a handle, kinda bubble gum machine style except multiple slots like a pool table(but it spins instead of a push lever), and I have never once lost money to it. Basically the mechanism that releases the drink is completely powered by you cranking the dial, rather than some motorized component. Very much a case of simple is more reliable.

    3. Re:I have lower standards. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      We had an even simpler one that took only dimes and worked by gravity. If you didn't have a dime you could make a slug out of aluminum sheet with tinsnips (you put your initials on it so that the guy who refilled the machine would know who to come to with it).

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    4. Re:I have lower standards. by Eggbloke · · Score: 0

      Japan met that criteria years ago.
      Seriously, the vending machines are one of my favourite things about Japan.

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    5. Re:I have lower standards. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Like toasters.

      Toasters from the 1950's still work today, but modern toasters have micro-controllers and other assorted bullshit and might work for 5 years if you are lucky.

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    6. Re:I have lower standards. by dtmos · · Score: 1

      Seriously, the vending machines are one of my favourite things about Japan.

      Indeed. When I returned the two biggest culture shocks were (a) returning to US vending machines, and (b) returning to the US passenger rail system.

      Come to think of it, there were several other shocks, too -- returning to the US cell phone system; returning to impolite retail salespeople; returning to inexpensive fruits, meats, and vegetables; returning to a multi-ethnic and multi-monolingual culture, etc. It took a while to re-adapt.

    7. Re:I have lower standards. by trapnest · · Score: 1

      >multi-monolingual
      That's a new one.

    8. Re:I have lower standards. by dtmos · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I used it only after some consideration. How else to describe a culture largely composed of individuals that are monolingual, but do not speak the same language? -- especially in comparison to Japan, where everyone one meets can be assumed fluent in Japanese? I considered "heterolingual," but that seems even more inventive, and I'm not going near "homolingual" in this forum...

    9. Re:I have lower standards. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I especially like these new ones that don't tell you what they have in stock and what's out before you try to buy it.

      If you push the button before putting your money in, it flashes the price on the LED display. If you have enough money inserted first it either dispenses the drink or tells you it's sold out on the display. I notice that the change return buttons suspiciously tend to not work on these new machines more often than I remember when I was a kid -- so if the item you wanted is out of stock you're now stuck buying something you don't or leaving your money for the next guy.

      Didn't have this issue with those soda machines a decade ago with a little light on every button. You'd think LED's suddenly became more expensive than back then since they don't add them anymore.

    10. Re:I have lower standards. by NickAP12589 · · Score: 1

      Ya, if I am taking my time to walk over to a vending machine to buy a drink, I will most likely have an idea of what I want. I don't need anyone to make that decision for me. The words the vending machine says cannot do anything more than the advertisements on the can. Now if these vending machines gave me a sample of what I was considering purchasing, then I'd be interested...

  12. Old News by the.house · · Score: 1

    I just read about this in Grape Soda Monthly...

    1. Re:Old News by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Dante Hicks is just like you. He looooves grape soda. He knows what it's like when the guy at the supermarket won't take your "food stamps". Or how it feels to wait all month for your "welfare check".

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  13. Fat People by cforciea · · Score: 1

    Somehow I don't think having Mr. Vending Machine tell all of us fat people here in the U.S. that we should maybe get a diet drink is really going to fly. I am therefore dubious of the cultural portability of this concept.

    1. Re:Fat People by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      Think in broader ways. Maybe it offers you a cheapwine/hard liqour bottle if you have a few days' worth of beard. Offers the little kids the Super Robot whatever sugar in a can etc...

    2. Re:Fat People by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      I think if you integrate some sort of gaze detection sensor you might have a winning concept for the American market.

      Rather than lift your arm to physically depress a button, the machine will detect and dispense the item you are lustfully staring at. Bonus points if it assists decision making by evaluating salivary gland activity.

    3. Re:Fat People by MrQuacker · · Score: 1

      Its not telling fatties to get a diet soda, its telling them to get 3 cans instead of 1...

    4. Re:Fat People by macshit · · Score: 1

      Think in broader ways. Maybe it offers you a cheapwine/hard liqour bottle if you have a few days' worth of beard. Offers the little kids the Super Robot whatever sugar in a can etc...

      Hmm, it still has to decide whether to offer Ultra Cider or Ultra Cola though...

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  14. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    "Hey fatass, got a nice 200 oz can of fried chicken here!"

    Fried chicken comes in a can now? Sweet! Now I can eat a KFC Doubledown and wash it down with even more fried chicken!

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  15. Needed some more filler for the article by cupantae · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the new technology offers some frightening prospects. With machines telling us what to drink how long until we are told what to eat and what to wear? The idea of a 1984-style Big Brother state fronted by the double-headed hydra that is a computerised Trinny and Susanna is almost too scary.

    Even for a joke, seriously, what? How is personalised advertisement anything close to what you just said?

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    1. Re:Needed some more filler for the article by noidentity · · Score: 1

      For people lacking self-initiative, advertising is apparently like being forced to buy things. For the rest of us, it's like spam email, to be filtered out and ignored.

    2. Re:Needed some more filler for the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, about 1984, the big flaw in it is that eveything is enforced. That's not how it happens in reality, you come to that situation by taking anything you're fed. So the vending machine suggesting and your following the suggestion is one small step towards 1984. In fact, 1984 is now, think about it and see how half the people are willing slaves. Think of some ads, they're pretty simple, right? most just say buy this, buy that, now think why? -because it works, you just need to tell people something and they'll believe it. You just have to look like you know what you're doing, that's what counts for them, they hardly ever will analyze your statements for inconsistencies, lies, or whatever. Anyhow, the vending machine is a non-issue. Not really scary.

    3. Re:Needed some more filler for the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is personalised advertisement anything close to what you just said?

      Well, I once bought some books from Amazon, not even necessarily for myself. One was about racial attitudes among government officials. Another was about the increasing commercialization and militarization of the American prison system.

      On a subsequent visit to Amazon, the helpful bastards led off with a big note at the top of the page, saying, "Since you seem to have an interest in the dark side of the American dream, we'd like to recommend the following books for you,"

      Fuck that shit -- I don't like being psychoanalyzed by a goddamned machine. I also don't like the idea that Amazon would likely turn over its list of similar customers to the FBI with no judicial oversight.

      I wonder what they thought when I ordered a book about 17th century American ladies' undergarments.

      I ordered it as a gift for a lady friend who was writing a novel about her ancestors in that time period and wanted to get the details of daily life correct.

      Then I ordered one about PTSD for another friend who has had it since he was in Vietnam.

      By now, I guess they think I'm a mad-dog, transvestite serial killer (carrying war surplus armaments) who's afraid of the possible treatment when they send me to federal prison.

    4. Re:Needed some more filler for the article by cupantae · · Score: 1

      But so what? In 1984, the characters who aren't "willing slaves" are nonetheless trapped into the system because of everyone else's conformity. No chance of that here. It's completely different.

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    5. Re:Needed some more filler for the article by cupantae · · Score: 1

      Fine, but even if you think it's annoying, it's not scary by any definition of the word. It's not that "they" think anything. It's an automated system, based on the perfectly reasonable assumptions that people buy things similar to what they've already bought, and that people are more likely to buy things if they know they exist (!)

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  16. Sounds like hype. by chemicaldave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine most people are trying these now for the novelty of it all. That might be the whole point, but if I normally didn't use vending machines then this probably wouldn't make me use it more than once or twice to see what it does. If I were the owner, I'd set it to recommend more expensive drinks.

    1. Re:Sounds like hype. by srussia · · Score: 1

      If I were the owner, I'd set it to recommend more expensive drinks.

      Margin. It's the margin that counts.

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    2. Re:Sounds like hype. by hsmith · · Score: 1

      Ding. It is something new to try out - people will throw $2 into a machine to see something cool. I'd expect sales to level out in due time.

    3. Re:Sounds like hype. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, someone really want these machines themselves to sell and so has a team of people buying from them to make it look like they triple sales.

    4. Re:Sounds like hype. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the usefulness of the system is to trick people into buying new drinks, more expensive drinks, drinks you can get cheaper from the supplier, and so on... it's just a tool to make them buy what's best for you not best for them. You hit the nail.

    5. Re:Sounds like hype. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If they are smart it is in a touristy area. I bet one in Niagara Falls/Disney Land/Sea World would make a killing.

    6. Re:Sounds like hype. by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      True but vending machines in japan are a bit of a free market. It is still cooler using the 47" touch screen that talks to you than the other machines. So they may hold the market over the other machines in the area for a while.

    7. Re:Sounds like hype. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Note that this is in Japan, the coffee drinks in their vending machines are actually pretty good, and already expensive. And from what I remember from my four day stay-over seventeen years ago, vending machines were not just used for coffee or soda drinks, some had soup, and some had porn magazines, manga, and vibrators (and these vending machines were not just in their red light districts, I'm talking about plain well-maintained and sophisticated electronic vending machines that one could even find in the suburbs).

  17. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

    yo dawg, we heard you like chicken...

  18. Take it one step further.. by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 1

    ..and you could see a vending machine which would only sell coke light/diet/zero to anyone with a BMI over 30. After all, a company that can create a machine which can sell me calorie-laden drinks and determine my vital statistics, can surely be sued when I develop diabetes and suffer a heart attack 10 years later?

    Or maybe in 10 years time individuals will be expected to take responsibility for their own actions?

  19. Missing Quantum Cola by graveyhead · · Score: 1

    AHA! No wonder I couldn't find that last Quantum Cola to complete the collection. Have to go to Japan for it. The machine knows what you need.

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  20. Due to programming error, it offers Chuck Norris by by+(1706743) · · Score: 0

    a Cosmopolitan, and promptly receives a roundhouse kick to the CPU...

  21. Re:Huh? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    Facial recognition? Japs? Same sentence?!?!?!

    They say the same about us!

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  22. Re: Essence of Chicken drink by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    http://www.brandsworld.us/en/products/ec.php

    I've had it, it's not... well... it is what it is.

    Better than the Bird's Nest Soup, at least.

  23. What do you mean, hemlock? by zackhugh · · Score: 2, Funny

    The sad thing is that my ex-girlfriend looked at my face and made the same recommendation. The sadder thing is that she was a machine too.

    Sigh.

    1. Re:What do you mean, hemlock? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      So was the blond chick (#6) from BSG ... she was hot!

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    2. Re:What do you mean, hemlock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sadder thing is that she was a machine too.

      What was her name? WhackMyMole?

  24. Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Ichijo · · Score: 1

    If we in the U.S. would more fully adopt the dollar coin, and also a $2 coin like the Toonie, even we could have such nice things. Until then, we'll have to keep digging out pocketfuls of quarters and trying our luck with the bill acceptor.

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    1. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty much every machine there accepts 1000 yen bills. Out of the many dozen times I made use of that feature, I never once had an issue. I don't know why machines in the US tend to eat things. I think yen bills tend to stay crisper, or we just put our dollars bills where they don't belong. Like through the laundry. Or as a substitute for napkins. Dollar-diapers? For a while it seemed like they'd become worth little enough to make that seem not such a bad idea.

    2. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      It's even one step higher than that (or one step backwards, depending on how you look at it), people in Japan can pay using their cellphones.

      I can't wait for the 5$CAD coins though. I'm gonna buy a bag for my coins and tie it to my belt, next to my mana and health potions*.

      * for the humour-impaired, this is a joke about how the 5$ coin is probably going to be 5 cm in diameter and weight 500 grams.

    3. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      Dollar coins are dead ends as well. I counted cash at a resort in Yellowstone for a couple of years. I can't disclose money volume due to an NDA, but I saw around 1 coin per ten thousand dollars of cash deposit (singles were at least two orders of magnitude more prevalent). Most of the interest I did see in such coins was from collectors trying to pick up presidents they were missing. The dollar coin goes with the two dollar bill or the fifty dollar bill as something that's just not necessary and near universally loathed when its in your wallet.

      Instead, the future probably is prepaid debit cards. Throw a bunch of cash in a machine and get a card with that amount on it. Then swipe the card when you want to buy something.

    4. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      and trying our luck with the bill acceptor

      I can’t even remember the last time I had a bill rejected by one of those. It must have been at least several years ago.

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    5. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      We need to discontinue the dollar bills, that would solve the problem. Coins last longer and are cheaper to make. Also discontinue all coins below the quarter.

    6. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      We need to discontinue the dollar bills, that would solve the problem. Coins last longer and are cheaper to make. Also discontinue all coins below the quarter.

      Except that it's blindingly obvious that nobody aside from some vending machine operators and a few outliers such as yourself want dollar coins. Now discontinuing small coins has some benefit. Nobody wants to count pennies. But if you're going to discontinue everything below a quarter, you might as well consider discontinuing coins completely.

    7. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Funny
      I can’t even remember the last time I had a bill rejected by one of those. It must have been at least several years ago.

      The ones I have start being rejected when the ink cartridges in my printer get old/low. I guess the quality of the ink changes and no longer triggers the right detectors.

      Some of this new super-bright paper stock also causes a lot of rejects.

    8. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * for the humour-impaired, this is a joke about how the 5$ coin is probably going to be 5 cm in diameter and weight 500 grams.

      And how many dollars do you need to carry now to buy a "$20USD" Double Eagle coin?

      (captcha: affords)

    9. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Except that it's blindingly obvious that nobody aside from some vending machine operators and a few outliers such as yourself want dollar coins.

      The only reason people don't want dollar coins is because the $2 denomination isn't in wide circulation. If it were, the excuse that carrying a pocketful of $1 coins weighs you down would be invalid because you would never need to carry more than one at a time.

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    10. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      The only reason people don't want dollar coins is because the $2 denomination isn't in wide circulation. If it were, the excuse that carrying a pocketful of $1 coins weighs you down would be invalid because you would never need to carry more than one at a time.

      Just like people never carry more than one dollar bill in their pocket? And even if it were true, you just moved the problem of multiple coins to two dollar coins. Besides I seriously doubt anyone will want that coin any more than they want the $2 bill. The problem here is that no US coin is lighter than a dollar bill. Not even the dime which is a bit more than twice as heavy. Coins are a pain to organize and carry. Bills fold neatly in the wallet and are much lighter. I haven't carried change for perhaps two decades. Any change I receive gets tossed in a pile at home until I get enough to buy something straight with it, like a bunch of groceries or something that requires a lot of change like a stamp vending machine or automated car wash.

      The real reason people don't want dollar coins is because the coins do not fit with how people use cash. They're too big and too heavy to just carry around. They don't organized well in a pocket, wallet, or purse. They just don't work.

    11. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      The real reason people don't want dollar coins is because the coins do not fit with how people use cash. They're too big and too heavy to just carry around. They don't organized well in a pocket, wallet, or purse. They just don't work.

      So then you must prefer bills for all coin denominations. Quarter dollar bills, 10 cent bills, 5 cent bills, 1 cent bills. Right?

      No, the real reason people don't carry coins in the USA is because our coins have such little value. If we no longer had $1 bills, and if we had $2 coins, people would carry them around, I guarantee. It's a chicken-and-egg problem.

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    12. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      So then you must prefer bills for all coin denominations. Quarter dollar bills, 10 cent bills, 5 cent bills, 1 cent bills. Right?

      Why not? You could make them a lot smaller too so that they don't get mixed in with the real money, say monopoly money sized. And drop the 1 and 5 cent bills.

    13. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Us aussies have been using one dollar coins since 1984 and we seem to have no problems fitting either the $1 or $2 coin in our pockets/wallets/purses/bags/etc
      We also got rid of our 1c and 2c coins

    14. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      Us aussies have been using one dollar coins since 1984 and we seem to have no problems fitting either the $1 or $2 coin in our pockets/wallets/purses/bags/etc We also got rid of our 1c and 2c coins

      The thing is, the US has had a dollar coin since 1979. I still occasionally see bunches of the old dollar coins at a time - indicating that the US Treasury still is holding on to rolls of those things somewhere. Ask yourself this. How popular can a coin be that probably has spent most of the past 30 years in a warehouse?

    15. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Marcika · · Score: 1

      The real reason people don't want dollar coins is because the coins do not fit with how people use cash. They're too big and too heavy to just carry around. They don't organized well in a pocket, wallet, or purse. They just don't work.

      So then you must prefer bills for all coin denominations. Quarter dollar bills, 10 cent bills, 5 cent bills, 1 cent bills. Right?

      This is what they do in China, for instance... And let me tell you, it is a royal pain in the neck. Having a bunch of tiny 1-jiao (penny) and 5-jiao (7 cents) notes in my pocket makes it awfully hard to give the proper amount; not to mention the confusion between 5-jiao notes (worth 7 cents) and 5-yuan notes (70 cents).

    16. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Unlike the US, we got rid of the $1 and $2 notes when we introduced the coins.

    17. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      Unlike the US, we got rid of the $1 and $2 notes when we introduced the coins.

      That just sounds dumb then. What you're saying is that Canada deliberately broke its currency in order to force cash users to adopt the coins. And I might add, when you originally posted, I got the impression that Canadians had chosen coins over bills for convenience. Now we see it's because they didn't have a choice. This is not a good argument in favor of coins.

    18. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I am saying nothing about Canada, I am talking about Australia.
      Australia got rid of the $1 and $2 notes when we introduced the $1 and $2 coins.
      Carrying $1 and $2 coins is (IMO) much easier than carrying notes around.
      Plus parking meters and vending machines and payphones and stuff dont require bill acceptors (although some vending machines now take $5, $10 and $20 bills)

    19. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by khallow · · Score: 1

      Carrying $1 and $2 coins is (IMO) much easier than carrying notes around.

      I've shuffled around bundles of a thousand singles before. They weigh about a kilogram. A thousand dollars in dollar coins weighs a bit over eight kilograms. I've carried a roll of dollar coins in my pocket before, it's far heavier than twenty five singles and actually damages the pocket lining (wearing holes in my pockets was the reason I stopped carrying change). You can talk about how much easier it is to carry coins than bills, but I don't believe you. More importantly, neither does the vast majority of the US public.

    20. Re:Vending machine industry in the USA is stagnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dollar coin goes with the two dollar bill or the fifty dollar bill as something that's just not necessary

      I have a friend who always carries a few two dollar bills in his wallet, just to confuse store clerks, many of whom (especially the younger ones) think it's fake.

      And I see scads of $50 bills being used every day in supermarkets.

  25. Re:Due to programming error, it offers Chuck Norri by vux984 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't tell Chuck Norris what to drink. Chuck Norris tells it what to drink...

    Seriously though, I wonder if the triple sales is simply novelty. People are using it just to see what it will suggest... that sort of thing. After the novelty wears off, will sales return to normal?

  26. maybe it got lost in translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It keeps recommending used school girl panties. Stupid Japanese vending machine!

  27. Indeed... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Facial recognition? Japs? Same sentence?!?!?!

    They say the same about us!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbxw3ukUTH8

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  28. Where is your stamp? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    I don't get it.

    You have this big machine with a matrix of choices. Either it has what you want or not. How does a "song and dance" number help sales exactly?

    Do the Japanese need to be told that they are thirsty or some such?

    Perhaps the vending machine is producing a stamped document of some sort... '-p

    It's not like you are exactly starting with American style coke machines to begin with.

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    1. Re:Where is your stamp? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      One word... "C'thulu"

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    2. Re:Where is your stamp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get it.

      You have this big machine with a matrix of choices. Either it has what you want or not. How does a "song and dance" number help sales exactly?

      They're selling *attention*

  29. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More than likely, OmniBot 6000 recommends the most expensive item currently in inventory, and tells you the selection is based on a "complex algorithm involving facial analysis."

  30. If I ever go to Japan... by ewhenn · · Score: 1

    If I ever go to Japan I am *soooooo* wearing a clown mask up to one of these machines.

    1. Re:If I ever go to Japan... by ILikeRed · · Score: 1

      That's easy, it will see the big red nose and recommend "Pineapple Juice"

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    2. Re:If I ever go to Japan... by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      and you'll still get a coke.

  31. Too early to conclude this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was in Japan when they rolled these out, and had a chance to drop by and see/use them at the station. It seems the recognition system wasn't working when I was there, which was only a couple days after they were installed. But that aside, what's likely increasing sales at this point is the novelty, and the news coverage. There were consistent lines in front of these things for a few days after they were installed, because they had been featured in the news on a few channels (outside of Tokyo as well). In a country where you can barely go 500 feet before you see another vending machine, having a huge (and quite nice) video display instead of the usual fake bottles/cans stands out, especially because they're in a great spot where almost anyone going to or from the local JR lines will see.

    There have been video-based vending machines before, mostly from Coke. But most of the ones I had seen three years ago where gone last year- in my experience they used too many useless transition screens and responded horribly slow, making them fairly painful to use compared to normal machines. The new ones in Shinagawa station are really nice in comparison, and least do as good a job as a good old machine.

    Lines tend to be self-maintaining once they form. That initial news coverage seeded the interest initially, and since then has just continued based on bystanders noticing an unusual number of people around a vending machine. A similar reason to why every Krispy Kreme in the country has hour or longer waits on weekends, even months after grand opening.

    I don't see there being much of a plan to roll those machines out in many areas outside of the main cities, and even then they're going to be most appropriate in high-traffic areas like stations and airports. I imagine they use more power than a standard machine, so it wouldn't be worth it at all to replace the current machines which line the streets of less dense areas.

    1. Re:Too early to conclude this... by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      A similar reason to why every Krispy Kreme in the country has hour or longer waits on weekends, even months after grand opening.

      No, I'm pretty sure that's because of the crack.

    2. Re:Too early to conclude this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " every Krispy Kreme in the country has hour or longer waits on weekends"

      The US is doomed.. I cannot imagine even eating that shit

  32. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    We're not that far from fried chicken in a can.

  33. Would never work in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first time a black person uses the machine and gets offered a Pepsi, Al Sharpton will organize a boycott against automated racial profiling.

    1. Re:Would never work in the USA by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      > The first time a black person uses the machine and gets offered a Pepsi, Al Sharpton will organize a boycott against automated racial profiling.

      What? As a white person who drinks Pepsi, I am confused by that remark.

      Okay, I drink whatever's cheaper, if I'm going to drink either. Pepsi tastes slightly better. Coke has better market share and a much better brand presence. They are also almost never sold out of the same location, much less the same vending machine.

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    2. Re:Would never work in the USA by trapnest · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Grape soda.

    3. Re:Would never work in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? As a white person who drinks Pepsi, I am confused by that remark.

      If I were you I'd take a closer look at my family tree...

    4. Re:Would never work in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All right, I've got your family tree, now what exactly am I looking for?

    5. Re:Would never work in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, negroes?

  34. Re:Huh? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 5, Funny

    Facial recognition? Japs? Same sentence?!?!?!

    They say the same about us!

    Well, I realized that I was a bigot when I was watching Battlestar Galactica. I couldn't tell the difference between the Asian actresses who played Boomer, Athena, and the various Number 8s.

    So much for not being racist!

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  35. I have but one request by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    If they bring this kind of machine in other countries, I hope they update the thing so that it says "Share and enjoy!" after each sale.

  36. Re:Due to programming error, it offers Chuck Norri by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    a roundhouse kick to the CPU...

    Nah, that's just how Chuck Norris pays for all his drinks.

  37. 2G1C by vlm · · Score: 5, Funny

    The vending machines recommend beverages after physical attributes of customers are picked up by sensors which allow the machines determine age, sex and other attributes, before offering a number of suggestions.

    What if there are multiple people in the photo? For example, if two girls are standing in front of the machine, does it offer them one cup?

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    1. Re:2G1C by hellkyng · · Score: 1

      Thanks for resurfacing that repressed memory! Ahh good times of huddled under my cube shaking and mumbling "NSFW" ...."nsfw".... I was on a strict regimen of rick rolls and lolcatz for weeks after that. I called my cyber-therapist after reading your post, and he thinks I can manage my cyber-disgust with some double rainbow guy videos. I will forward his bill to you shortly.

    2. Re:2G1C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if two girls are standing in front of the machine, does it offer them one cup?

      Unless Japanese bras are very different from ours, the recommendation should be for four cups.

      OTOH, they do tend to run smaller.

    3. Re:2G1C by vlm · · Score: 1

      Well AC, this is kind of like posting to /. claiming that your kids like petting zoos and you've heard that somebody named "goatse" has a nice picture and I wonder if you kind slashdotters would post a link for me and the kids.

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  38. WOW factor by pinkeen · · Score: 1

    And maybe the increased sales is the effect of the WOW factor or even simple curiosity for new things...

  39. Nutrimatic Drinks Dispenser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's Nutrimatic Drinks Dispenser from Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Technology_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Nutrimatic_Drinks_Dispenser.

  40. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    It'll be even more embarrasing when the machine puts you in the "used girl's panties" demographic.

    They have nice vending machines over there... In a little alley near my hotel they had one that sold a selection of *bottles* of whisky. Funny how that would never work ovr here because
    1) Politicians would go apeshit... encouragingpeopleotdrinkwecanthavethatohnoes.
    2) After sundown the machine would last less than 5 minutes before someone would smash the glass and steal the whisky.

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  41. Grape soda and a banana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grape soda and a banana?

  42. What about gaijins? by dmesg0 · · Score: 1

    Next time I'm in Japan, I'm surely gonna check what it suggests to a gaijin like me. Is it programmed to offer us the diet coke poison or some exotic Japanese drink like Pocari Sweat?

  43. Asimov rule breaker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a can of strychnine, you horribly ugly troll!!

  44. Novelty effect. by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 1

    This will wear off eventually.

    You can't use a tech gimmick in the vending machine to make the market permanently want to buy three times the number of drinks.

    How much of that figure is the consequence of lost sales in the other vending machines? I.e. people who normally would go to any machine are drawn to the new, shiny one that recognizes their face and recommends drinks?

    If you own both the new and old type of vending machine, reshuffling sales among them doesn't help you.

    If you could replace every single machine with this one, and as a consequence permanently triple sales for all vending machines all across the board, that would be something!

  45. Turn Around by jIyajbe · · Score: 1

    "Your Recommendation: There's a drinking fountain right behind you. It's infinitely better for you than any of the crap in this machine, and it's free. Have a nice day."

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  46. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Not necessarily the most expensive, but a combination of highest profit margin and highest inventory.
    Once there's only one bottle of Led Bru left, there's no point in pushing it on customers.

  47. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    We're not that far from fried chicken in a can.

    Pft. Double Down is for wusses! Wait for their new Triple Down, soon to be superceded by their new Mach 5 Down xTreme! (Brought to you by a partnership between KFC and Gillette).

  48. Flawed Statistics... by wolf1oo · · Score: 1

    Obviously, the lurking variable that the people in Japan MAY just be drawn to a vending machine that talks to them and is technologically advanced could not have possibly been a cause of the pickup in sales....

    the only way to prove it's suggestion ability is what draws the people would be to put in a machine that suggests based upon random selection, that is identical to the others.

  49. So it's not embarrassing enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when the SO sends you out to buy pads. Now you have to stand in front of the machine and make yourself look like a girl until it offers them to you. Thanks a lot, Japan!

  50. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by toetagger · · Score: 1

    At first I was trying to figure out your point about panties of used girl's, but once you started talking about politicians, it all made sense!

  51. COOL IT RECOGNIZES MY FACE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets buy some to see if it works

  52. Mod Parent INTERESTING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod Parent INTERESTING!

  53. Or rather... by MrOctogon · · Score: 1

    "Novelty triples sales" Maybe there is nothing great, or even accurate about the suggestions the machine makes. Maybe its much less "this machine showed me a coke and I like coke, and I happen to be in a demographic that lik", and a bit more "this machine has more shiny lights. I will give it money because I am a brainless sheep consumer."

  54. If I walk up by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it will recommend Wild Turkey or Gentleman's Jack based on my face recognition.

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  55. What will the sales by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    What will the sales be when the amusement/curiosity wares of??

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  56. Re:Sounds like the subject used as the message by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    First thing this story reminded me of was the vending machines in Macross: they actually follow you around trying to get you to buy things...

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  57. Re:Old News is Good News by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Dante Hicks is just like you. He looooves grape soda.

    And despite his low rank, he's actually quite a competent soldier. He'll make a great de-facto leader for the drop team when the sarge buys it and the lieutenant turns out to be an incompetent douche.

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  58. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by box2 · · Score: 1

    Do the machines call out? If they do I hope they sound like Bender (but you know, in Japanese):

    "Hey fatass, got a nice 200 oz can of fried chicken here!"

    "Hey baby! All the supermodels are drinking Diet Water, what's your deal?"

    And so forth...

    This was funny but being +4 insightful made me lol in front of my boss. He wants to try the Bender vending machine now.

  59. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by xaxa · · Score: 1

    "This product is so meaty, there's no room for a bun!"

    1) They say that like it's a good thing.
    2) No pretence, they use the word "product" for the meal.
    3) I'm glad I ate already. That thing looks disgusting.
    4) If I'd seen that picture on a blog I'd have assumed it was a joke.

  60. Is it compliant... by Rhodri+Mawr · · Score: 1
  61. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    5) All of the above.

  62. In my country . . . by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1
    manners poor showing willfully . . . you!

    country represents . . . you!

  63. FAILURE is the only OPTION by Greymoon · · Score: 1

    I want a Coke. I step up to the machine. It better suggest a Coca-Cola. Otherwise FAIL. I select and pay for Coke. Why do I need this again?

  64. Live crab vending machine by kybred · · Score: 1

    This is a close second to the machine that dispenses live crabs. (The sea floor living kind of crab.)

  65. A health conscious person who has lost weight by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

    Future vending machines might detect that I am a somewhat overweight, mid-50s male, wearing loose over sized pants, with athletically muscular arms and shoulders. That should tell it that I have lost some weight and work out regularly, but that I have not quite yet reached my weight loss goals. That should suggest that I would prefer something healthy and low calorie. The obvious choices would be green tea, a mixture of green and black tea, black coffee, vegetable juice, or bottled water.

    The vending machine might also detect that my glowing good skin color is due to all the fruits and vegetables that I eat. That would tell it to include vegetable juice or a vegetable / fruit juice combination, as an option. Noticing that I am in my mid-50s, the machine might suspect that I am watching my salt intake and would not add any salt.

    It might also detect the looseness in my pants, which are only being held up by a belt which has been tightened down to the last remaining hole. That should tell it that I have lost a significant amount of weight and that I would not even consider buying an ordinary soft drink or anything sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. If it were to offer me some food, in addition to a beverage, an apple or a mango would be a much better choice than some type of junk food.

    The slightest hint of jowls along my jawline and on my throat, should tell the machine that I am in my mid-50s. The lack of wrinkles around my lips would tell the machine that I am not a smoker. Examining my skin, it might realize that I have always used sunscreen and/or worn a broad rimed hat, or possibly just stayed inside. All of the above, should strongly suggest that I am an exceptionally heath conscious person.

    Seeing what a health conscious person I am, the only obvious beverage choices would be tea, black coffee, vegetable juice, or bottled water.

  66. So it is OK for machines to be prejudiced? by oaksey · · Score: 1

    So it seems because this machine isn't too "smart" it is ok for it to be prejudiced, that is, pre-judging you based on your appearance.

    Is there a point where machines aren't allowed to be prejudiced?

  67. I welcome... by garompeta · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new vending machine overlords

  68. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Incorrect. If you're going that route, at least recommend the item with the highest profit margin, preferably matched up with expected sales related to the price. This will not necessarily always be the highest-priced item - bottled water is going to be a lot easier and cheaper to produce than, say, coke.

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  69. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by hitmark · · Score: 1

    While not in a can, how about live crab?
    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/21/live-crab-vending-ma.html

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  70. Re:Recommending beverages after physical attribute by hitmark · · Score: 1

    iirc, the alcohol vending machines are built so that at a certain time of day they deploy steel bars to stop someone from just breaking and grabbing.

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  71. Re:Huh? by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

    Grace Park is hot, 'nough said :)

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  72. Video of machine by dhollist · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2hwnGrn3go (Especially interesting if you enable Closed Captioning and use the "translate captions" beta feature)

  73. Wow factor by mafian911 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one pessimistic enough to think that the only reason this machine tripled sales is because of its gimmick? Considering that the machine offers you a drink based on your appearance, can we really ignore the novelty of that?

  74. If it sees an attractive girl, does it suggest a drink with higher alcohol content? Gotta watch out for those machines!