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China Blocks News Websites In Protest of Nobel
DaveNJ1987 writes "The Chinese Government has blocked the websites of the BBC, CNN and Norwegian public service broadcaster NRK, less than 24 hours before dissident Chinese writer Liu Xiaobo is due to be awarded the Nobel peace prize. China has been vocally critical of the plans to award the jailed writer the prize and has even gone as far as setting up its own 'Confucius peace prize' to rival the awards being held in Oslo tomorrow."
Stop being so heavy-handed and obvious. Take a page from the CIA playbook. If you *really* want to discredit Liu Xiaobo, just recruit a couple of women to say he raped them (or some kids to say he molested them, or an old lady to say he beat her, something along those lines). Easy, subtle, and no need to censor CNN. And what's really great is that it works even if he's in another country (if you can recruit locals there, even better!). Pretty soon the Nobel people are backing away from him, Visa won't process donations for his cause, everybody is calling him a rapist/child-molester/wife-beater. And you get to say "Hey, wasn't us, that's his own personal problems" if anyone asks. Now no one will touch him and you didn't have to *directly* come down on anyone.
Just make sure your recruits look credible and pay them/threaten them enough to make sure they never talk.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
In protest, the Chinese Government has set up its own rival awards ceremony to the Nobel prize; the "Confucius peace prize".
I would wait a bit before that's confirmed. The only news in English I can find on it seems to indicate it doesn't exist or at least wasn't given to the recipient reported by the Associated Press. Those guys aren't often wrong but this sounds like a satire or problem in translation.
Furthermore, here's the point of view from the horse's mouth (angry version here and refusal to resolve here) and they are propping up external support (though I think it's selective in choosing Heffermehl's words).
So, yeah, censorship is bad in any form and I think the Chinese government is terrible in doing this but they do run things their own special way over there and censorship has always been the norm.
My work here is dung.
... is looking to get itself banned...
Seriously, when are we going to be honest about China's rise as an international bully?
For all the things China blames other countries for doing, China still is more totalitarian. They oppose the Pope since it takes away control from China, and they oppose the Nobel for it making China look bad. Normally, countries like the US take it in stride.
So much for Deng's whitewash of government action by simply acting as a guard for semi-private entities.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The Chinese gov't is insanely powerful due to misguided patriotism.
Or Misguided in my point of view at least. However if I was a citizen of Shanghai or another wealthy city in China, it would fill me with a certain amount of pride to know that almost every economy on the planet depends on how well that country is doing,
The idea that people with economic prosperity will see their leaders as corrupt is like expecting U.S. citizens to be outraged over Gitmo
I went to battle M.C. Escher, but drew a blank.
Oh wow. This is exactly what I've been looking for.
Now all we need is a place to institute it.
Technoli
...US buys tons of Chinese-made goods at the expense of its working-class.
Nothing ever changes...
He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
I think it should go to China, as a whole. What other country or organization has done so much for peace?*
*Peace as defined by the Chinese government. Please check your Official 2011 Redefinition List for true definition. If you have lost your Official 2001 Redefinition List, please report to the nearest detention facility, and the problem will be corrected.
They simply just don't like people pointing the facts out. Nor do they like people finding out for themselves.
The people who want to see Slashdot won't be deterred by a ban by the Chinese government.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Confucius was once passing by Mount Tai, when he heard a woman, who was standing in front of a grave, wailing bitterly. He sent one of his disciples to enquire the reason. "By the sound of your lamentation," he said, "you seem to be afflicted by some grievous sorrow." The woman replied, "Yes, a tiger killed and devoured my father-in-law, and then my husband suffered the same fate. Now my son has been gobbled up by another tiger." Hearing this, Confucius asked her, "Then why don't you leave this place?" The woman answered, "Because here there is no tyrannical rule." Thereupon, Confucius turned to his disciples and said, "Keep this in mind, young fellows: tyranny is fiercer than a tiger."
We, the sophisticated western people would never do such a thing. Take a web site like that nasty wikileaks that is publishing our diplomatic small talk. We would never ever dream of kicking them from their hosters, cancel their bank accounts, block/ddos their web sites or imprison their founder.
Cross my heart...
The existence of the censorship is a news story, as there are nations that don't make a point of plugging up dissent. At least, not as thuggishly or thoroughly as China.
Man who win Nobel prize behind bars values cake with file more.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, if you knew more details you'd know that this story involves them also "persuading" at least 18 other countries not to attend the presentation, and not letting the man's relatives collect the prize for him etc. It's more than just them censoring things in their own country this time. This is just an update on that story.
It would be funny if it wasn't affecting so many peoples' lives. At least our own governments try to make their lies plausible and their political maneuvers relatively subtle.
which is totally what she said
I wonder what Confucious would think of
1) a peace prize in his honor
2) such a prize being given out under the direction of the current China leadership
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
No, because more manufacturing jobs have been lost to China than Wal Mart could possibly make up for.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
If all the major internet routing hubs outside China started dropping packets coming from or going to Chinese IP addresses, I wonder how long it would take for the Chinese government to be on its knees begging for another chance? More significantly, I wonder how long it would take before the Chinese people would finally rise and demand that their government act like a civilized part of the internet community?
It would probably be at least as effective as those stupid “internet addiction” camps they make their youth attend. Give them a dose of their own medicine...
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Are you saying that the US government is trying to supress freedom by setting up rape charges on its enemies?
OR are you saying we can get laid by upsetting the US? Someone give me a flag and some matches. I am going to get LAID!
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Sounds great. Can I fork the police?
The working class buys cheap goods at the expense of itself you mean. If America restricted imports too much then you'd be complaining about that too.
which is totally what she said
Unfortunately, you still have that other government with its boot on your neck.
Technoli
Of course, I prefer the peace prize in its original Klingon text.
If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
China has intentionally positioned itself as the only highway between the Chinese people and the rest of the world, and it has closed that highway to anything it doesn’t like. That is censorship.
They haven’t prevented the news sites from publishing anything they want, but they have prevented the news sites from having any avenue of getting those stories to people in China. That is censorship.
They can’t censor anything for anyone outside of China, but the people living there are getting a censored version of the internet.
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They are being blocked as censorship, not protest. The PRC doesn't care what the BBC says, as long as the Chinese can't read things they don't want them to read.
All they have to do is host their own Peace prize and make Juilan Assange the winner.
THIS is why politicians like Lieberman wants an internet kill switch in the US
"The Great Firewall is a way of life there, so just get over it and save your righteous indignation for something else."
Yeah, speaking out against censorship is just a big waste of time, making political speech a government doesn't like a jail-able offense is no big deal, gunning down thousands of your own people when they protest is just a normal day in China, brutally suppressing an entire culture or two because your own Han people need "Lebensraum" is fine. No one should really give a shit about what China does. Its fine.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
Too bad the US has made it d@mn hard for itself to complain over China's Internet restrictions ... all they can complain about now is how ineffective their own control over the Internet is ...
This is atrocious ! The Chinese should rise up in armed revolt and establish a people's state. Oh wait...
Way to false dichotomy, dude.
I believe I suggested something about finding a place to implement a metagovernment.
Technoli
CNN is not blocked. The CNN homepage doesn't pass the keyword filter currently, which may or may not be related to the prize, but any other page works just fine.
Seriously, when will the Chinese government learn?
Liu Xiaobo was a nobody, just one more dissident activist who wrote some pretty crazy stuff. Nobody outside of dissident circles gave a crap about Charter 08 or even heard of it before it got banned.
Xiaobo himself: He's crazy as far as dissidents go. He basically worships everything Western, and has basically advocated China becoming a Western colony. Noone inside of China would take most of his stuff seriously- yet China insists of giving him credibility as a dissident. He'd still be a nobody if they didn't give him so much publicity.
With this, he'll turn into another Dalai Lama, except that unlike the Dalai Lama, he (was) just a nobody convinced that everything Western is good and everything Chinese is bad. If they had just left Charter 08 alone, no problems, it would have been passed around to the usual crowd and quickly forgotten. Instead it has become a rallying point.
Sort of like the "My dad is Li Gang" stuff- instead of censoring the story, if they just let it out and then publicly castrated the fucker, everyone would have been happy.
They really need help with PR. Even when they do the right thing, hushing things up makes it look like they really are up to something. Even when the guy in question really does deserve to be imprisoned (under Chinese law, even if such laws are unjust).
This doesn't answer any questions such as what if you have two large vocal minorities each with polar opposite views that want radical changes while the silent majority get on with their lives?
This whole thing totally ignores any actual political system for a simple "lets throw open source software at the problem and hope it works".
There are currently 71 million people in my country, most without internet. Suddenly they're not represented? awesome.. and even if they were you'd never be able to handle the load of everyone having their say which is mostly a regurgitation of the 71 million other people's say.
Add all that to the fact that forums are the worse place to gather suggestions, the loudest voice is always the vocal minority. Read any article where forums are involved in the decision making process for a huge community and the conclusion is always mostly to ignore suggestions on it.
As bad as the Chinese government's actions look to outsiders, we have to remember that ultimately all politics is local. The Chinese government doesn't care what we think only with staying in power at home. And how do you do that? By making sure that nothing riles up the billion plus Chinese citizens most of whom probably don't care much about foreign news outlets or peace prizes anyway. So why get them thinking about stuff like that which doesn't make money and can only cause disharmony? As for a Chinese version of the Peace Prize. I'm sure that will only be awarded to honorable (and safely controllable) Chinese citizens. Can't risk losing face to some gwai-loh who might brazenly refuse the prize. And most Chinese citizens would consider the prize an honor and good for career advancement in China. Again, good stuff for the locals.
To the making of books there is no end, so let's get started
China's government can't take the criticism, so they go about their totalitarian ways and shut it off.
Nobody's been disappeared, executed, or harvested for organs in the US for the Wikileaks events. All those involved have more than the show trials that China gives often, and are not simply removed from existence.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Name a person that is executed, or harvested for organs due to the 08 Charter movement that Liu started.
Don't quote me on this.
Though I don't disagree with most of what you said, I do have a little doubt that "grey" lies by governments are better than the brutal truth.
Would you rather have Liu be charged with rape-by-sex-without-condom? I wouldn't.
Don't quote me on this.
Meh, start locally. We ran something like that with our college roommates in our rented house. But I've since graduated and got married. Yay for complete tyranny!
One of the things I'd really find neat and useful is if I could compare my okcupid match profile with that of my elected officials. But I suppose none of them want to tie down their belief system that much... it would hamper their ability to weasel out of their supposed convictions to appease whatever base they're speaking to at the moment :P
along the same lines (except on international scale) of "i'll pay you 5 dollars not to go to 's party"
Bullshit. It's along the same lines as "if you go to the party I'll never sell you anything again, effectively crippling your economy because everything is made here these days". It's blackmail, pure and simple.
which is totally what she said
Well, I don't like lying in any form to be honest, but it's pathetic when you hear the lies from China and North Korea. They say completely ridiculous things, like they're either insane, or they think the rest of the world is incredibly dumb.
which is totally what she said
China should give Noam Chomsky the Confucius prize for "being a courageous voice in a corrupt and hypocritical nation and having the temerity to call the US the best nation in the world". They should also learn to treat dissidents the American way: let them rant. Pay newspapers to criticise him subtly while praising him over a period of time. Sooner or later, they're gonna get called insane.
Wouldn't you rather your government's lies were obvious, so you knew what was real and what was fake, as opposed to everything being half-truths?
You've drank too much kool-aid if you honestly thought the lies from Western governments are more "credible" than China.
North Korea's lies are truly jokes (thanks to Wikileaks, we know that even Chinese officials think they are crazy), but I've yet to hear anything major from China that's truly ridiculous. Much of the "lies" you hear about are somewhat amplified by the fact that most of the west do not understand Chinese, stuff is lost in translation, and usually the context of the sound bites are not accurately conveyed. You wouldn't understand how crazy the western media's twists towards China related events can be, if you understood the story from China's perspective. As if BBC, CNN, etc. are actually unbiased. The fact that the PR of the Chinese government is horrible doesn't help either.
Don't quote me on this.
Face it China, you suck shit in some ways. Don't hide it, you are just shitty. The more you complain about this, the more light it casts on your shittyness. Vampire motherfuckers. PS: This FU is not to the people of China, but to the body of the government who imprisons them.
Fork tha police
Comin straight from the underground
isn't that what NWA was talking about?
Is that legal?
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