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Police Raid PS3 Hacker's House, Hacker Releases PS3 'Hypervisor Bible'
An anonymous reader sends this excerpt from PSGroove.com:
"Graf_chokolo, who has contributed countless things to the PS3 scene, had his private home raided by police this morning. They confiscated all of his 'accounts' and anything related to PS3 hacking. Some of you may remember that graf_chokolo promised if he was pushed, that he would release all of his PS3 hypervisor knowledge to the world. He kept good on this promise, releasing what is being dubbed as the Hypervisor Bible. 'The uploaded files contains his database, which is a series of tools for the PS3's Hypervisor and Hypervisor processes. It will help other devs to reverse engineer the hypervisor of PS3 further.'"
I don't agree with the way Sony is doing it, but at least they are doing something. Some of the multiplayer games are completely unplayable as cheating is rampant. Something needs to be done as they're ruining the games for honest players.
I think Sony is only a few months away from being told exactly the same thing by the US and EU governments. i.e. Just as cellphones can be jailbroken, so too can consoles.
Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
The more you tighten your grip, Sony, the more PS3 systems will slip through your fingers.
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DONT buy sony. dont let anyone around you, buy sony.
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The entire fiasco with people getting arrested for modifying their own property is due to the DMCA's circumvention clause. Because the DMCA casts doubt on basic ownership rights I think that the base law is flawed.
If I want to buy a cheap super-computer or mod my Xbox 360 into a media center that should be a given-right: I bought the hardware so go to hell without my Freedom to Tinker.
Shh.
For Sony it's not really about cheating, it's about getting their royalty every time a game is sold. It's the same reason why "Other OS" wasn't allowed full access to the processing power of the PS3. If writing games in Linux had become a viable option on the PS3 then at least some companies would have considered distributing some of their content that way, saving themselves a huge margin. Incidentally cheating will always be an issue if your game's server trusts the client excessively anyway.
NEVER to buy anything made by Sony
looks like it was already deleted
Was it really necessary for the police to wear Riot gear and Bust down the door? Did they think this gamer was going to beat them with a ps3 controller??? I bet they shot his little dog too (standard operating procedure).
Jeez. All they needed to do was knock and say, "We have a warrant to search your home," like polite servants. - Stupid SA
Information wants to be expensive AND wants to be free. So you have Value vs. Cheap distribution fighting each other.
Forcing people to be online for an offline game or offline play is just a big no-no.
If it's a big no-no on the PLAYSTATION 3, then why isn't it a big no-no on the PC? With a few exceptions such as Trine, there aren't a lot of well-known PC games designed to be played multiplayer on one machine using two to four gamepads, even with the rise of LCD HDTVs that can be connected to a PC's video card through a VGA or HDMI cable.
Time and time again Sony blow up on their PR. Order court arrest of hackers who are tinkering with their products to make them even more useful to the community. Whatever these guys to hack the PS3, it's only for the good of Sony. Think about the free publicity when your PS3 can do this and that with a simple jailbreak. Sony can simply turn a blind eye, or better yet, encourage those efforts from the community. What if they break the hypervisor? It's not like a modern PS3 game is easy to make, so you will need an SDK and Sony's support anyways. PS3 works in a pretty small confinement defined by Sony, step outside its border and you will be sued. This is a sad example of a company run by lawyers. Had Ken Kutaragi been at the helm, he would no doubt feel excited about those attempts given his engineering background. Even Apple turns a blind eye on the jailbreakers. New iOS updates break them all of time, but Apple didn't go sue anyone. They silently watch the apps in the jailbreak world and turn some of them into iOS (tethering, bluetooth keyboard, etc.) That's smart marketing.
This is the entirety of the original source material for this story:
"SONY was today at my home"? That's not how raids work. In the US, Sony had to go through some rather extensive legal action to be able to get a TRO on geohot, and now they've convinced the German police to raid some random hacker's house out of nowhere? He's also not even one of the more prominent people involved, and had very little to do both with the core hacks and with subsequent piracy tools - he mostly worked on his own on hypervisor reverse engineering and there's just about nothing they could charge him with. This would also be the first action taken by SCEE regarding this entire issue. And you'd expect someone other than graf_chokolo to notice, publish, or somehow independently report the raid. Not to mention that if you're raided, the first thing you do is talk to an attorney, not post a care package online (as "proof"?). None of this makes any sense.
He did mention that if he ever got a takedown notice from Sony or something along those lines, he'd release his hypervisor disassembler database. I think it's more likely that he got tired of waiting and just made up an excuse.
http://grafchokolo.com/ps3-development-page.html
In soviet russia the government regulates the companies.
This seems like a lot of bull, Raiding someones home because a corporation doesn't like what they're doing with something they own. This is just going to hurt Sony worse and it gives me another reason not to buy from them.
Looks at Xbox... hmmm Microsoft. Nope.
Looks at Wii..... hmmm Nintendo. Nope.
Of the three major video game console makers, the console division of Microsoft is the least evil. Xbox 360 is the only console with a developer program open to the public. Otherwise, you could always put a slim PC by your TV, hook up the HDMI, and game that way.
I'm running out of options - wish Sega still made a console.
Sega and Nintendo worked together on the Triforce arcade console. Xbox 360 builds on Sega's and Microsoft's experience with getting a Windows API running on Dreamcast.
The DMCA is nullified by the higher law known as the Constitution
Only nine people in this country know what the Constitution really means. People thought a second successive copyright term extension was unconstitutional, but the Supreme Court of the United States said otherwise.
who saw that coming ?
It is a very simple concept. You can do whatever you want to the hardware, the OS is licensed to gamers. Games are also licensed to gamers. This is nothing new, this has been going on for generations. Iirc there ware similar verbiage in the Eula/tos of the previous 2 consoles as well. You agreed to it either by agreeing to the Eula or by use. If you have done neither then you have less of an argument.
Just because you assume ownership of something doesn't mean that it is true. Now if you were to use that info to compeletey wipe the native OS of the machine then that would be your right. The sticky nature of the DMCA and Eula is simply the bypassing of security to do so. The act of bypassing it violates the contract and the DMCA but running another OS is not.
The truth is though, people do not want to lose the abilities given in the native OS so they pretend like they don't understand the distinction between license and owner ship and try to justify using a modified version of the native OS. If you are going to knowingly do something like hack the console (for pirating reason or for hombrew) please man up and admit what you are doing is in the green. It makes sense for Sony to do this. They are probably obligated to do this because of the way their game console generates revenue, their partners involved and the investors they have to answer to.
I just wish this woe is me, I am an innocent abused hacker/hobbiest/tinkerer act. Here is the deal if you use the software, just accept the fact that you not get to use the PSN again.If you are distributing the proprietary sony code/information (that they can identify),expect for them to come after you. it is really that simple and it is justified.
People start the whole "never buy Sony" whine again. Well, I disagree there, but that's simply because I own a PS3 myself for 2.5 years now and totally love it.
Still, the real problem here is that the hacking people simply didn't do their homework. Thanks to the "American culture" (yes, this is a cynical remark) almost everything needs to be covered in some EULA because if it isn't companies risk that morons ("Real Americans" ?) for suing them for hundreds if not millions of dollars whenever something "bad" happens. "Help, my son shot a police officer after he had been playing GTA IV for a week. Its all the games fault! We''ll SUE!".
And so you need to comply to a EULA. A process which companies like Sony picked up quite well by including a whole lot of extra stuff you need to agree on before playing can commence. A list so long that hardly anyone reads it.
Here is your problem right there.
These guys should at least have read the EULA so that they knew what they got themselves into. Better yet: should have worked their way around it. Yes, it can be done, because there are loopholes in there. It isn't easy, it takes a lot of time to read, comprehend and work out a strategy, but it can be done.
I agree that the police invasion is a bit over the top, but you know what they say: "Mess with the big boys and...".
Sorry, I think they should have done their homework.
I can't pull up the article - web category blocked, so maybe this is explained in the article, but why are local police getting involved in these hacking cases? Shouldn't this be a job for federal investigators - ie, FBI or similar organization, depending on country? This isn't the first story I have seen like this. It seems to me that local police are overstepping the bounds of their jurisdiction in cases such as this. Just a thought.
for a strategy other than protectionism?
Yeah, I know: "free" (not as in beer) - but how can we make that "pay"? And who gets paid?
But I bet Sony will keep fighting this like SCO did.
Now they just need to release the key for that huge super file from wikileaks....which probably won't amount to a hill of beans. Well besides the fact showing how corrput our govt is and other companys, but hey it's not like we didn't know that already. release the krakon
In retaliation, PS3 Hackers should make an effort to damage the PS3s market any way possible. And I'd imagine the best approaches will be :
(1) improving the free PS3 emulators for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux,
(2) making piracy of PS3 games more user friendly, say writing better howtos,
(2) developing tools for cheating in-game, ala aimbots that're easily adapted to new games,
(3) writing howto docs explaining how to create PS3 games without paying Sony's royalties, and
(4) a howto for creating an inexpensive knockoff PS3 might be nice too.
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I think the more important question is....what laws did the guy break in the first place? Did he break ANY or is this just another case of the idiotic way americans bow down and worship business?
Uhhhh, do you REALLY think that was an actual photo of this particular raid, and not just some stock photo of a police raid? You really think they planned this raid, then brought in a photographer to do an artsy photo with a lensbaby, and then released that photo to the press?
Here's an idea: don't trade your freedom just to gain access to video games. Don't fall for the bait and switch. You can play games on your desktop, which as far as I know is not designed to restrict your use of it.
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If police are doing a raid they often do get a photographer from a newspaper to photograph it, usually for when they do anti-drug raids to discourage people from committing those crimes, lest their houses get raided too.
get back on your knees, you corporate shill! >:-]
Consequently, Nintendo is the least evil games console manufacturer/distributor.
So you say it's "least evil" to exclude individuals, even serious ones, from officially developing games for its platform. And you say it's "least evil" to sue manufacturers and importers of GBA flash cards and R4-style DS microSD adapters, even those who ship source and binaries of the devkitARM homebrew SDK (or its predecessors) on a mini-CD with the product. And you say it's "least evil" to require region coding on all console games and all DSi/3DS games, as opposed to the PS3, Xbox 360, and iPod touch, where many or all games are all-region. And you say it's "least evil" to have, back in the NES era, threatened stores considering selling the Sega Master System or TurboGrafx-16 with shortages if they didn't go NES-exclusive, and threatened developers with "ROM shortages" if they didn't go NES-exclusive. Or are these examples of "bad guys at heart", not rising to "evil"?
Nintendo DSi vs. iPod touch: How is Apple more evil?
Wii vs. ION nettops such as Eee Box and Aspire Revo: How are ASUS and Acer more evil?
You make it sound like government is the white knight that will ride in and save us all from big bad sony. I beg to differ: government is the cause of all this. It was government and their unjust laws that set the stage and encouraged sony (and many others) to be a corporate tyrant. It is government and only government that holds the key to "corporate oppression", because only government holds the key to using coercion as a business model.
In the end, no business may employ coercion without the blessing of government, and therefore, government is ultimately at fault. The fact that government's police force was employed on sony's behalf says it all.
And even then, I think there are many cases where they shit on the spirit of the constitution in order to push their agenda anyway (eg - I do not think the tax laws we now have are the same as the founding fathers intended)
Federal tax law might not be the best example of defecating on the Constitution's spirit. The Constitution was amended specifically to allow an income tax.
We are discussing a video game console manufacturer violating basic human civil liberties; this article should have more presence on Slashdot. Granted, in the wake of earthquakes and revolutions and the like it is not as big of an issue, but once you give a major corporation like Sony an inch, they'll take it as far as they possibly can.
Right, because without a photographer nobody will actually believe the drug houses get raided.
10 years of great gameplaying (1995-2005) so I'm hardly anti-sony.
Yep, some of my best friends are black also.
Sony does make a lot of products other than the PS3 system.... Perhaps a huge facebook driven boycott of Sony products... start messing with the bottom line and I bet they change their tune. Oh wait... facebook is evil... well yes it may be considered that especially by those reading this but perhaps it could be used for good... muuuaahhaahaaaaa
people should boycott sony for an invasion of privacy and freedom of information among other things ex: messing with hackers who are just trying to learn something from their own property
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This was working at the time of posting the comment (TFA isn't).
Hurr. It makes "shocking television" to see a dawn raid on the morning news.
Welcome to the Incorporated States of America. The Pledge of Allegiance will now be an EULA that school children will be forced to scroll through and click "Agree" on every morning for 12 years.
Seriously this is too much. If they positioned themselves as not allowing you to have PSN services if you modded your console, then fine. Going against people who pirate games, fine. But targetting legitimate modding (including what can be 'dual use' which is another philosophical question in itself) when people have purchased the console themselves is a new low - it's now infringing on the rights of consumers to do what they want to with machines they purchase. If they are allowed to get away with this as others have mentioned it will set a whole new (lower) standard in how companies can restrict our inalienable rights. The whole concept of them promising the 'other os' option and then taking it away is poor.
I have to say Microsoft has behaved (from a console/gamer point of view) in a much more respectful manner in the past few years. I don't even think Sony has a natural advantage why you would want to buy their equipment, especially as others make better phones/tvs etc.
I'm calling for people to boycott Sony, not just games, but in TVs, cameras, and phones. Maybe they'll get a message that their anticonsumer tactics are not in anybody's interests. As a public service aside I noted the linked article has broken download links for the 'hypervisor bible'. So I provide the following link for the Slashdot audience: http://www.ps3iso.com/showthread.php?t=51100
Fuck them all. Get a PC. Even running Linux (!) you can play so many games for so long, day after day, completely wasting every spare hour of your life. Medical technology will never advance the human lifespan long enough such that even Linux gaming (and c'mon, it's not like Linux is the gaming platform) can ever be exhausted by any one person, even if that person drops out of school and work completely and takes meth all the time so they never sleep. It is so ridiculous to whine about non-evil game platform unavailability when even the most meager non-evil platform has so much to waste your time on. ;-) Fuck Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. The world is bigger than them.
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I think Nintendo is evil but they have done less harm to gaming than Sony or Microsoft, and ALSO done less harm to the world.
I will admit that Atari is responsible for cryptographic lockout in the 7800, but Nintendo is single-handedly responsible for region coding. DVD borrows a principle invented by Nintendo.
Those aren't game consoles.
Definition disagreement detected. Layne's Law states that rational discussion cannot proceed without a solid definition of "game console". Can you define it to exclude small-form-factor gaming PCs with a 10-foot launcher installed but include the PS3 that "only does everything"?
I have to say, I am not impressed by this. At the end of the day, it is a CIVIL matter. From the look of that copper (an employee of the state!) bashing down the door, its the type of thing you see on police camera action.
BTW Sony, kiss my ass with your attempted take downs. Information wants to be free ;) Lets see your effectiveness against TPB
It's available as always from our friends at the pirate bay.
I am going to find out which constabulary this is, and write a letter of complaint of the police using heavy handed tactics in non criminal matters. It's almost as though they are sony's personal army.
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Good luck getting 38 states to agree to an omnibus constitutional amendment to clarify the Constitution so as to reverse the Supreme Court's misinterpretations over time.
at least apple does not get the cops to bust some a** over Iphone and mac os x hacking.
No they only took the big guys to court over loading mac os x on a pc and even then over seas they will have a even harder time wining a case over the same thing and as for the iphone the dmca says you have the right to hack a phone.
But with a photographer, someone may say, "Holy shit! That's Bob's house!" It personalizes it to the crowd they want to frighten off.
When my friends house was raided during Sundevil, there were reps from Microsoft and Nintendo with them. How else would the cops be able to recognize what was pirated materials or not?
How pathetically sad is it that people will ruin their lives (or corporations will ruin the lives of others) over a gaming platform? Yes, yes - you should be able to do what you want with it - I agree with that tired old argument, but it's just not worth ruining anyone's lives over. Go outside, play with your dog, play with your kids, pick up chicks...oh wait, slashdot crowd. My point being - it's JUST a gaming console, it's just not worth it.
Money must be involved somehow right?
Police don't care about this kind of crap do they?
When they pull someone over and see one of those CD holders on a person's visor they don't care that its all pirated music.... so how do they care about this PS3 stuff?
Does Sony make a huge donation to their department?
Was it a court order?
Is anyone else scared that companies such as Sony have the power to make the police do their bidding and break into peoples' private homes?
What the fuck is going on in our country?
Wow I'm amazed that people see this as a some company abusing the rights of an individual. But let me ask you this: Does Sony maintain a police force? ...No. Does Sony make outrageous laws? ...No They just help pay for that stuff, like all taxpayers.
Its the *government* who is abusing this man, not Sony. For all of those who say that they are going to boycott Sony. Go ahead! But if you are in the same jurisdiction as this guy, don't forget to boycott the government too!
I haven't owned a console since the Atari 2600 I bought with my allowance. I have actively boycotted any and all Sony products (including their record labels - not easy for me!) for almost half a decade. This file will never be of any use to me or anyone I know. Nonetheless, I've downloaded a couple of copies, and I'm seeding the torrent as well.
Fuck 'em all.
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If he had been doing something illegal and knew about it there's a good chance he could have destroyed evidence if the police had announced themselves. The smarter thing to do, and safer for all parties involved, would have been to serve the search warrant while he wasn't home. For non-violent crimes this type of behavior is ridiculous. If waiting for him to leave could not be done for whatever reason, him potentially destroying evidence is (imo) worth the risk compared to the risk to everyone involved of bashing the door down.
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The police don't determine whether you've done something illegal. The courts do. But I am on your side that whatever crime he's being accused of is clearly non-violent so having the police bash down the door is silly at best and probably quite dangerous for everyone involved.
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I was wondering where the search warrant was, even? I don't hear anything about evidence, just sony strongarming and getting police to do sony's job for them while bypassing the legal system.
The PS3 has real-time weapon change, after all...
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The mobile phone rulings have next to zero to do with this.
Mobile phones are a special case because they're designed to potentially work on any network, it's considered anti-competitive to lock you to a network. There is no good reason for sim locking except for anti-competative practices.
The locking mechanisms on the PS3 aren't anti-competative (it'll never be possible to put a 360 disc into the PS3 and for it to play), rather than hurt competition, they help the games market (the DS and PSP both were hit massively by piracy) and they're important for security.
Mod chips for consoles have almost universally been declared illegal in European courts. This isn't suddenly going to change.
Try repairing your own gas boiler that you bought with your own money. Try doing your electricals or plumbing. All your property, all illegal to work on without being authorised to do so in a number of jurisdictions.
Stories like "The Right to Read" and "Printcrime" seem more prophetic all the time. Good on Graf_chokolo for sticking it to the bastards.
More of a question for the collective arm chair lawyers in the group...suppose a group of say 20 individuals were to each post 5% of the code publicly. The result is that no single person published enough code to do anything with but collectively the segments could be used to reverse engineer the hypervisor and crack the ps3. My question is...would this protect those authors enough to prevent arrests like this while still ensuring the information gets put out there?
The police did the right thing. This guy is obviously a gamer, which means he is an expert in all forms of combat, including multiple styles of hand-to-hand martial arts, every weapon under the sun, and black magic.
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No, they only do that if you happen upon a prototype that they were stupid enough to lose and not bother labeling in the first place by perverting the course of justice by having the police recover their property.
PS3 supports standard [...] USB controllers [but] Xbox360 on the other side has [...] a proprietary USB protocol that is specifically designed to block third party controllers
I thought PS3 system software 3.50 and later had rejected unlicensed controllers.
The thing that sucks with Sony is that they bit by bit are taking away the freedom they offered. Microsoft on the other side never offered any freedom in the first place, quite the opposite, their console is pretty much as locked down as it can be.
What counterpart does any current PlayStation product have to Microsoft's XNA Game Studio, App Hub (formerly XNA Creators Club), and Xbox Live Indie Games?
My reply to Hatta addresses the member states' theoretical sovereignty over the federal government.
The prosecutors do. The police in these cases is simply a service department working for the higher ups. There is no cop who wants to do this because it simply ain't what they signed up for and no, they don't get a bonus or a brown envelope. Regular cops in the US are reasonably uncorrupt despite what some 12yr olds might think.
This kind of corruption goes far further up with elected officials who need campaign contributions and a nice job for when they retire.
And if you care so much, stop voting for the fucktards and elect someone with a heart. Of course that might mean your taxes go up, can't have that can we?
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1) This happened in Germany, not the US.
2) People seem to be forgetting Mr. Chokobo's threat against Sony when they first sued geohot. Threatening reprisal against someone who uses the legal system is never a good idea. In fact, it's unambiguously criminal, unlike DMCA violations.
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It happened in Germany.
But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good America bashing...
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- Seneca
Stolen property is a not the same thing; false analogy. If they stole my phone I'd want the police to get it back and look at the person to see if he was the crook or knowingly bought stolen goods.
PR/Lawyer types invented the Intellectual Property term that mischaracterizes the whole situation and gets us all to use that term and warp thinking on the subject in their favor- its a perfect example of 1984 style word games. This sony thing is only about INFORMATION they claim to own and not in a literal sense; a broad unspecified amount of information defined only by its possible use against them. He should have setup a blog and called himself NEWS so he'd have a little bit more protection.
It doesn't matter if you are insecure if you can ID the those who break your security - you can just prosecute them after (possibly at no expense if gov does it.) Take the pathetic numeric passwords openly displayed on every credit card for example.
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Some of you may remember that graf_chokolo promised if he was pushed, that he would release all of his PS3 hypervisor knowledge to the world. He kept good on this promise, releasing what is being dubbed as the Hypervisor Bible.
And we have the beginnings of the SONY religion. :)
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The image from the article comes from an iPhone article released in 2010. It is not the raid in question. Probably just a stock image.
http://www.technet.hu/hir/20100427/hazkutatas_az_uj_iphone_miatt/
So, Sony continues to shoot itself in the foot, but they managed to switch to tactical nukes?
Definitely makes Streisand look like a bloody amateur.
meaning all of us, by way of our investements and 401k accounts. This is why you'll never see massive, real, grass-roots protest of such corporate policies, as most of the US public actually *wants* them to conduct brutal business, make the quarter, and put thirty pieces of unclean silver in their (our) pockets.
The original uploads are missing. Good thing it's now on the Pirate Bay.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6197257/coolstuff.rar
However, they can still refuse to offer you PSN services. Otherwise you are already allowed to use your console as you please.
I read half way through the license when I hooked my PS3 up to the internet, and then removed the cable. Haven't re-attached it since. Can't see that changing any time soon, I don't trust the authors of a viral root kit with access to my home network.
This sounds funny, but I know that my gamer friends living in bad neighborhoods either pack swords or guns depending on whether they are into the SCA or not. Well, except for the one guy that has the metal Maglite with the extended battery case.
He effected a bored affect.
Threatening reprisal is unambiguously LEGAL...
If you punch me in the face, I will punch you back. I just threatened reprisal, and I clearly didn't break the law....even in Germany.
Point taken about it being in Deutschland though. Somehow I missed that.
What I gather from Sony's lawsuit fever:
- Sony sues it's own customers, so I'd better not buy stuff from them because you never know...
- What you buy from Sony is not really your property.
- Sony violates people's rights in many ways and really doesn't care about you or me - why should I support such a company with my money then?
- Sony can't protect their code and software properly (i.e. by programming the software properly) and has to use lawsuits instead. As a customer I think it says a lot about the quality of their products then, so I won't buy.
This is awful advertisement for Sony. This kind of strategy works for the MAFIAA because, as most people know by now, the music industry is not actually trying to protect their music, they simply changed their business from making music to making lawsuits. The music industry does not need customers, they need pirates that they can sue.
So yeah, the MAFIAA can afford angering would-be customers. Sony, on the other hand... they record music and make money out of PS3 games, but they also sell TVs and other items... Not sure suing their customers strategy will pay off.
Anyway, I own a PS3. It's not connected to the Internet, and I do what I want with it. I even have sex with it, SUE ME FOR RAPE, SONY! Oh and I'm no longer buying from Sony, just like I no longer buy CDs I can't port to my computer (to avoid inserting/removing the disc in the drive) or make my friends listen to when I invite them over.
On the open sea and before a court of law....
The move is ballsy, but this action might turn out to be a problem for him down the road.
This is why I happily do not buy sony products. Most of it is junk anyway.
due process
the police can't just arrest anybody. a court has to actually say "yes, there's a compelling set of evidence that says you should bring this guy in. i'll sign this warrant for you".
Sorry to reply off-topic, but I want to post this as high up as possible:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6197114/graf_chokolo_holy_bible_for_the_PS3
Get it and seed it, Sony has been taking down any source they can.
If you have mod points please mod this post up so it'll be more visible. You know you'll let them go to waste anyways ;)
Police don't have to charge you with a crime before arresting you, at least in the United States of Freedom.
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yes, but there's no mention of a warrant, either.
that is a threat? "lol, back off sony or i release my code".
unless that code is Skynet, i don't think that constitutes a threat. it's basically him saying "if you strike me down, i shall become stronger than you can possibly imagine"
Of course I thought it was fiction at the time.... That bloody "Max Headroom".
Coming soon, houses raided for using unlicensed screwdrivers to open paint cans instead of their official $95 paint can opening tool.
well, I wish Sony all the best of luck. Once information of this type gets out on the web, its nearly impossible to remove. The problem Sony has that "reverse engineering" isn't exactly illegal. Now, they have tried this before and look where it got them: case thrown out of court because the expert witness torpedoed their case.
They might have a case for copyright infringement but with as many copies as are floating around out there, its going to start costing them more than its worth to pursue all the possible litigants.
Perhaps Sony should open source their software and get a lot of "free help" improving it. That would not only earn them increased profits, but also loads better in Public Relations credibility.
Understanding is much like a 3-edged-sword. in this: there are always 2 sides and the truth.
Don't they own BMG Music and a movie studio or two?
What else?