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Best-Selling Author Refuses $500k; Self-Publishes Instead

Last week we discussed an IT book author's adventures in trying to self-publish. Now, an anonymous reader points out an article examining another perspective: "Barry Eisler, a NY Times best-selling author of various thriller novels, has just turned down a $500,000 book contract in order to self-publish his latest work. In a conversation with self-publishing aficionado Joe Konrath, Eisler talks about why this makes sense and how the publishing industry is responding in all the wrong ways to the rise of ebooks. He also explains the math by which it makes a lot more sense to retain 70% of your earnings on ebooks priced cheaply, rather than 14.9% on expensive books put out by publishers."

290 comments

  1. just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except Eisler isn't a total failure.

    1. Re:just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes he is, his books are shit. Name one good one and I will name a thousand reasons why it sucks. Call me when a literary genius like Dean Koontz or Tim LaHaye does this.

    2. Re:just like tucker max by Nursie · · Score: 2

      Dean Koontz.... literary genius....

      ROFL.

    3. Re:just like tucker max by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      Dean Koontz a literary genius? Stop reading books. Now. Koontz is a hack. He's a good hack and a readable one, but he's still a hack. Koontz made a damned good psycho character...once, and then he reused him over and over and over with a few modifications. The main characters often lack major flaws that make them more human. He goes for "good guys" that might have a few issues, but are often still boy scouts. I stopped reading Koontz around "Corner of His Eye". I'd read maybe a dozen of his books or more from the local used bookstore. I realized that the guy recycles way too much material from book to book. He's still written some decent, readable novels. Lightning was good. Phantoms scared the shit out of me when I first read it as a teenager (although the movie was ass), Darkfall was creepy as hell around the same time, and Watchers was solid, but they're not great books, and Koontz is not a literary genius, period.

    4. Re:just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I have been wondering this for a while, and /. might just be the best place to ask this and get intelligent answers.

      Does Stephen King call his penis "The King"?

    5. Re:just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll!

    6. Re:just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% Genius. Never mind what haters say, I laughed my ass off.

    7. Re:just like tucker max by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 1

      I once knew this guy who was friends with a chick who was the sister of a guy whose aunt lived in the same town as some important person. This makes me important and amusing.

      It's within Six Degrees of Separation. It's valid. Worship me.

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    8. Re:just like tucker max by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If King reads Pratchett, he'd call it "The Low King"

    9. Re:just like tucker max by paiute · · Score: 1

      Okay, I have been wondering this for a while, and /. might just be the best place to ask this and get intelligent answers.

      Does Stephen King call his penis "The King"?

      Yes, and he paints a clown face on the end.

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    10. Re:just like tucker max by metlin · · Score: 1

      Call me when a literary genius like Dean Koontz or Tim LaHaye does this.

      Sigh. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic. And if you were not, let me introduce you to a handful few that were, indeed, literary geniuses, such as Jean-Paul Sartre, Jorge Luis Borges, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Orhan Pamuk, Albert Camus, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Salman Rushdie, P.G. Wodehouse, H.H. Munro, Seamus Heaney and so on.

    11. Re:just like tucker max by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Call me when a literary genius like Dean Koontz or Tim LaHaye does this.

      Sigh. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic. And if you were not, let me introduce you to a handful few that were, indeed, literary geniuses, such as Jean-Paul Sartre, Jorge Luis Borges, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Orhan Pamuk, Albert Camus, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Salman Rushdie, P.G. Wodehouse, H.H. Munro, Seamus Heaney and so on.

      But there's not a single Star Wars book from that lot between them! Genius my arse, more like closet Star Trek fans.

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    12. Re:just like tucker max by metlin · · Score: 1

      But there's not a single Star Wars book from that lot between them! Genius my arse, more like closet Star Trek fans.

      This is true. Most Star Trek fans are in the closet. With Tom Cruise dressed in his Jedi outfit.

    13. Re:just like tucker max by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 1

      You could really put most of that in your signature. Save you some typing, or pasting.

      Blah, blah, invalid, pathetic, feeb, I get the drill, no need to reply.

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  2. big diff: editors are actually important by decora · · Score: 5, Insightful

    editors, working for publishers, are behind a lot of the great literary works of the united states.

    philip k dick's "a scanner darkly" comes to mind. there are many others.

    publishers also deal with libel and defamation lawsuits for you.

    they also set up junkets so you can market your book.

    im not saying theres no point to self publish, but there are many differences between music industry and book industry.

    1. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep I'm sure it's impossible to hire an independent or employed editor.

    2. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of the publisher paying the editor, why shouldn't the author pay his own editor? Editors could rent themselves out to authors on a per project basis.

    3. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by MoonBuggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely, and for someone new to writing and/or short of capital, the only reasonable way to afford editing, marketing, and so forth is to go with a publisher; thing is, the author is then beholden to the publisher - it's a very old fashioned, paternalistic relationship. Not to mention the fact (brought in to evidence here) that they take a bloody substantial cut of the sales.

      If the author has some cash behind them already, and an established 'brand', then paying for an editor and a PR firm up front may well be far easier, more pleasant, and more profitable in the long run, than signing their creation away to someone else. The publisher is just a middle man, working between the retailers, the editors, the printers & distributors, and the author - not to say that a middle man with knowledge and experience doesn't provide value, but they need to learn that they are employed by the author to provide a service, and not a patron to which the author is beholden. Of course, the fact that publishers traditionally act as initial 'investors' in the process muddies the waters a bit, but as I said, that only applies in the case that the author needs that investment, and even if that is so, there's no reason it needs to come from the publisher, nor are the upfront expenses quite so onerous now that the need to predict the market, print, and ship large amounts of physical inventory is diminishing.

    4. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

      slashdot has a problem hiring decent ones.

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    5. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Publishers also give advances, which lets authors concentrate on writing their book rather than working at a different job while they try to finish the book in their spare time.

      The whole conversation/interview/article seems to entirely ignore the new author perspective and focus solely on the perspective of authors that have an existing fan base, connections to one or more editors they're comfortable with and enough of a bank account to focus on writing full-time.

      But the similarities to the music industry are there. For quite some time, the largest music acts have setup record labels of their own to publish their music and that of performers they discover. Labels like Maverick Records, No Limit Records and Bad Boy Records were all started by artists that were big enough to use their own releases to establish a successful label.

      There's some differences, but in both cases, enough success through the traditional system enables you to have the freedom to go around the existing players.

    6. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Nursie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lies Incorporated springs to mind. Another PKD novel.

      First few chapters are relatively sane. As are the last few chapters. In the middle is pure PKD weirdness, only even more directionless and bizarre than usual (IMHO). Then I noticed that the weirdness and the last few sane chapters start with the same paragraph.

      So then I finally read the introduction, that says the book was originally published after a brutal pruning by the editor. Later, when PKD got a bit more famous, he managed to get the middle stuffed back in for future print runs.

      The editor was definitely right that time.

    7. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      I am inclined to agree with the strong analogies brought up by the sibling commenters, however.
      I could easily read them with music-industry-specific words plugged in (will, with a similarly weird analogue to the Phillip K. Dick example; there's got to be something.)

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    8. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      Self-publication works for this guy because he already has his name out there and a base of readers. If you're just starting out and you have a choice between a publisher deal and self-publishing, the publisher would probably be a helluva lot better in the long run. You don't get much of anything in the way of marketing when you self-publish. Also, like you said, EDITORS. Your "final draft" might still need some editorial touches that can make a major difference in a book. If you get a decent readerbase with a publisher, THEN you can think of self-publication.

    9. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure it's financially feasible to hire a qualified editor to go over your entire novel when you're just starting out as an author.

    10. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      That's all well and dandy when you've already made some money writing, but how the hell is a fledgling author going to pay a qualified editor to go over his whole novel? That's an awfully big gamble when the publisher could take care of it.

    11. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by GrpA · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because editors cost money, even when you're friends with a few. ( And I'd never ask a friend to edit my work for free as anything other than a mutual crit. )

      I self-published an E-book. Admittedly, it could be better edited and I really wish I had the cash to do it. However because I couldn't afford an external editor, I went through 10 editing passes myself ( it's not easy spotting your own mistakes ) and through more than a dozen critics who tore every sentence to pieces.

      The result? It's presently ranking 4.5 stars on Barnes and Noble and has a sales ranking up with the professional. The biggest criticism I get ? Making it free ( Voluntary shareware actually ).

      So while I'd still say a GOOD editor is a valuable thing in the publishing process, I'd also say that you don't need to have a paid editor to do everything you need to make a great story.

      Anyway, you're welcome to judge it for yourself if you like - And feel free to criticize me. I always welcome genuine criticism.

      Title: Turing Evolved ( Science Fiction ) - Currently distributed for free.
      Smashwords Link: http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/34627

      GrpA

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    12. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      I edit my own work.

      (There was additional unnecessary elaboration in this comment, but I edited it out.)

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    13. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by __aatgod8309 · · Score: 1

      Your book looks interesting, and what better place to self-advertise than in a discussion about self-publishing? (Plus you might have a new reader, and customer, in a few more pages)

    14. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've got the time and willing to do the yards you can still get up to the NYT best-seller list as an independent. You still need to get edited and still cover all the other usual things but with the way modern connectivity is going Publishers are finding it hard to justify their existence for a larger portion of the writers out there. Editors, proofers, beta readers, cover artists and even marketing people are now all readily available directly. If you spend a few days at places like Kindleboards, MobileReads or Goodreads you'll find no shortage of them.

      Expect to see more and more people like Amanda Hocking (and now Victorine Lieske) popping up on those top-seller lists. There's a lot of self-published writers out there who are making quite a good living now off their work without having gone near a "traditional publisher". The social network scene is where things are moving a lot faster.

      Paul.

    15. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because editors cost money, even when you're friends with a few. ( And I'd never ask a friend to edit my work for free as anything other than a mutual crit. )

      You could always offer them a cut. If it takes you 3 months to write, and it takes them 1 week to edit, offer them about a 12th of the overall profit (which means you're about equal in terms of reward-per-hour). If thee book's a runaway success you can make them rich, if not then they get a trickle of pocket money for their trouble.

    16. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-publication works for this guy because he already has his name out there and a base of readers. If you're just starting out and you have a choice between a publisher deal and self-publishing, the publisher would probably be a helluva lot better in the long run.

      Contractually, over the long term, most writers going with a publisher lose out. Many writers are now negotiating back rights to their books because they can do a better job of getting them out there through the internet.

      You don't get much of anything in the way of marketing when you self-publish. Also, like you said, EDITORS. Your "final draft" might still need some editorial touches that can make a major difference in a book. If you get a decent readerbase with a publisher, THEN you can think of self-publication.

      A lot of decent independent authors are already going through multiple edits (line edit, story edit, proofing etc), there's plenty out there that don't but it's a bit like the OpenSource world where if you look at Freshmeat there's a huge glut of crap that's visible but it doesn't mean the top projects are any less valid or professional. There's no shortage of errors in "professionally published" books, one reason they aren't shredded over it in reviews is because a lot of the reviewers receive ARC (Advanced review copy) which is a non-proofed book, it's a neat trick as it eliminates the reviewer's ability to critique that aspect.

      Smart independent writers are already building their own marketing groups and hitting FB, Twitter and many other social scenes with great success. Every week there's a new person who's gone from 1 copy a day and exploding to 1000/day.

      Paul.

    17. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by inflex · · Score: 1

      Bloomen heck, the one time I really wanted to stamp my name onto a post I log in on the different browser and I AC post to /. ... stupid editors! ;)

    18. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by inflex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gharr... stupid AC login (or lack thereof).

      We're an independent publishing/writing team here, everything still goes through multiple edits, proofings and all the same stuff, it's essential to edit (doing your own editing is like testing your own software - it does not work!).

      It costs anything between $1000 and $5000 to get a started after you've paid for editing/coverart/PoD-setup but it's a small upfront cost to pay compared to what you lose when a publisher just sits on your work.

      The tide has begun to swing around - with no shortage support and cooperative marketing groups/forums on the net now the publishers really are going to have to fight to get a hold of the next group of big writers. The thing is, if the publisher is already trying to make you a sweet deal, then it's a deal you don't actually need.

      Paul - http://elitadaniels.com/

    19. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smashing pumpkins?

    20. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Cyberllama · · Score: 2

      With regards to marketing junkets, this blog does cover that. Both authors state that they are convinced that the #1 best thing you can do market your books is to write another one. Each one catches a few new eyes and prompts new readers to go back and see what else you've written. The time spent in Book stores signing the occasional copy is time that could be much better spent writing. Not only is it more productive with regards to output, but with regards to marketing as well -- or so they believe.

      Sounds good to me.

      As for Libel/Defamation lawsuits, these are fiction writers we're talking about.

    21. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Cyberllama · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Crowdsource it. I'm a huge fan of podiobooks.com -- alot of the books presented there (for free mind you) often end up to proper book deals and the final version is often changed significantly as a result of feedback from the listener community.

      My understanding is that the Nathan Lowell's and Scott Siglers of the world are doing fairly well for themselves by giving it away for free. It's not unlike the Freemium business model that companies like Evernote use: Free gets as many ears and eyeballs as possible and easy marketing. A certain percentage will recommend it to friends, since it was free and, hopefully, good. That gets you even more ears/eyeballs. A certain percentage of the overall will be such big fans they'll want to buy proper print copies or kindle versions or whatever and, even though you're giving it away for free, you end up selling more copies than you might have otherwise.

    22. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      You should read the "Newbies Guide to Publishing" blog, where there are often guest authors who have never had a traditional publishing deal and who are selling enough books to go full time. It's not the way you think.

    23. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by benwiggy · · Score: 0
      Yes, you could offer your editor a cut when you self-publish. Oh, and you might want to get someone to do marketing and PR for you, and offer them a cut. Oh, and then a salesman to schlep round book chains touting your book, and offer them a cut. And you'll need a print production consultant to oversee the print run. They should get a cut too. And maybe a designer.

      I guess warehousing and distribution will probably just come out of your end.

    24. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by benwiggy · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the fact (brought in to evidence here) that they take a bloody substantial cut of the sales.

      50% of the retail price goes to the bookseller.
      If you want your book in the window or on the table in a large chain store, then the publisher pays extra for that.

      The publisher must take all his costs, including the author's royalty out of the remainder. That includes production costs, warehousing, distribution; as well as all your staff who do the editing, marketing, and sales. Most publishers have a team of salesmen who schlep around book stores/chain asking if sellers will take their books.

      A book is only worthwhile for a publisher if they can be fairly certain that it will sell many 10s of 1000s of copies in its lifetime. A book that only sells 5000 across 10 years will not make them any money, even at the "academic" prices that you find abhorrent.

      I'm actually all in favour of self-publishing, but it is not a magic bullet. If you think you can market and sell 1000s of copies, then off you go. But for the vast majority, they'll be sitting in the attic for years to come.

      And let's not pretend that publishers are evil money-grabbers. There's an old joke in publishing: "If we wanted to make money, we would be paper merchants."

      The internet is actually helping publishers to sell their books directly, thus cutting out the booksellers. As for ebooks, they have their place and their use, but there will still be a market a physical book for many years to come.

    25. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      If you're an author, have you considered bartering?

      Let's put it this way. Say you have three author friends. Pass your book to each of them to proofread, and in turn proofread each of theirs. It's win-win, it costs nobody money, and you get the value of a different perspective. I often am in the situation where I am too blinded by my own bias and can use the outside perspective on something I've created.

    26. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      I'm actually all in favour of self-publishing, but it is not a magic bullet. If you think you can market and sell 1000s of copies, then off you go. But for the vast majority, they'll be sitting in the attic for years to come.

      They were discussing self-publishing e-books. So they don't have to worry about storing copies that don't sell.

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    27. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      Actually they did spend time discussing new authors self publishing. Specifically when they were talking about the "yea, buts" from the industry types who say "Sure Konath can do it but.." Then they go on to point out that there are people are who have no history with legacy publishing who are doing well, and the more of those there are the less clout the "yea, but" argument has.

      As an aside to that, they also discuss how long it took for the NY Times to add e-books to the bestseller list, and even then only include e-books from the big publishing houses.

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    28. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      Wish I hadn't already commented in this thread. I've got mod points that this comment deserves.

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    29. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by vlm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you're an author, have you considered bartering?

      Let's put it this way. Say you have three author friends. Pass your book to each of them to proofread, and in turn proofread each of theirs. It's win-win, it costs nobody money, and you get the value of a different perspective. I often am in the situation where I am too blinded by my own bias and can use the outside perspective on something I've created.

      Not a new idea. I know this is not an exhaustive list by any means:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_circle

      I'm surprised that none of the ebook publisher sites have automated this process, or that I've never heard of them automating it.

      The other side is I really like Nathan Lowell's work, and I would even pay a modest fee to proofread / edit his work before its released. The way he ended "owners share" was pretty much a big WTF and probably could have benefited from some review. Which brings up the topic that beyond simple grammatical correction, I'm not sure crowdsourcing will give useful results unless you're going for super formulaic pulp. I'd probably have to sign a NDA, ok whatever. For anything other than your Very First Book if you can't find one or two fans on the entire freaking internet, including friends, relatives, fellow authors, and coworkers, then, yes indeed, you have very big problems. BTW slightly on topic, Nathan Lowell had a cool interview on the linux link tech show podcast a couple months ago, I don't recall exactly but I think similar issues were discussed.

      Arguing that paid editors exist therefore lone wolf authors absolutely must pay them, is probably going to work about as well as arguing paid software testers exist, therefore lone wolf programmers absolutely must find a way to pay them.

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    30. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      editors, working for publishers, are behind a lot of the great literary works of the united states.

      philip k dick's "a scanner darkly" comes to mind. there are many others.

      publishers also deal with libel and defamation lawsuits for you.

      they also set up junkets so you can market your book.

      im not saying theres no point to self publish, but there are many differences between music industry and book industry.

      It's certainly true that publishing companies server useful purposes... But so do recording companies. Different useful purposes, but useful none the less.

      In publishing you've got an editor to trim things down, streamline, bounce ideas off of you, and basically get your book into proper shape. In the recording industry you've got various mixing engineers who do similar work with the music. Both industries have lawyers to protect their clients. Both industries do a lot of PR work for their clients.

      There certainly is a reason to work with a publishing company...

      But they've gotten complacent. For quite some time now, if you wanted a book published you had to go through some publishing company. You didn't have a choice. They were the gatekeepers.

      This has meant that not only can they charge what they want, but they're had some rather marked control over what actually gets published. Just look at Peter Watts' book, Behemoth.

      But the availability of viable self-publishing options means that the traditional publication companies are going to have to start playing ball... Or they're going to stop being relevant.

      Sure, they provide useful functions... But there's no reason why I couldn't start up some ebook publishing company and hire editors and PR people myself, and then only take 50% of the proceeds, instead of the 80% that traditional publication companies are apparently taking. Or the authors can go with some other self-publication service and keep 70% of the proceeds and hire their own editors, lawyers, and PR people.

      Competition is usually a good thing.

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    31. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by anUnhandledException · · Score: 1

      Which illustrates perfectly why ebooks change everything.

      Amazon (and other ebook sellers) is only 30% not 50%. Bookstores will need to adapt or they will lose even more business. There is no publishing risk because there is no cost per title.

      I think ebooks will drive self publishing and that will drive an evolution in the book business model. You will see editing and PR shops spring up to provide services to independent authors. Some will provide services for upfront fee some for cut of royalties, some for fee + royalty. Smart authors will figure out methods to limit royalties (say royalty only on copies sold within 3 years of publication). Authors will retain ownership of their work and companies will still be able to provides services. Successful authors won't find it difficult to pay for services upfront on subsequent novels generating even higher revenue. Authors who publish multiple high (or high enough) selling ebooks won't have difficulty getting printing runs and shelf space in traditional stores. The long end of the tail can be handled by print on demand services.

      It won't happen overnight but it will happen.

    32. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by paiute · · Score: 1

      I edit my own work.

      (There was additional unnecessary elaboration in this comment, but I edited it out.)

      I poofread my own materail.

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    33. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Aidtopia · · Score: 1

      editors, working for publishers, are behind a lot of the great literary works of the united states.

      True, but publishers have been giving authors less and less editorial support as the continue to cut costs. The theory is that the slush pile is so deep that, if they dig enough, they can find a manuscript that doesn't need significant editing. Or they wait until a new author has some proven success before investing in editorial assistance to take him or her to the next level.

      publishers also deal with libel and defamation lawsuits for you.

      Possibly true. Most contracts I've seen say that the writer is ultimately responsible. Even so, in fiction (which is what Barry Eisler writes), there really aren't that many suits. Independent authors can incorporate to shield their personal finances from their professional writing liabilities.

      they also set up junkets so you can market your book.

      For fiction, this is extremely rare and of limited impact. If you're a big seller, then you might get some co-op promotion (placement in end caps and feature tables in the bookstores). Publishers will sometimes circulate advance reading copies to generate reviews. Most new and mid-list authors have to do a ton of self promotion, mostly at their own expense.

      im not saying theres no point to self publish, but there are many differences between music industry and book industry.

      It seems everything you've claimed about the publishing industry could also be said about the music labels. What's the difference you're trying to highlight?

    34. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Sales and marketing support from a publisher?

      You must be part of the peanut gallery since it's obvious you've never published anything or even ever bothered to listen to those that do.

      Having your own editor is not that much different from the status quo with "real publishers" now.

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    35. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by WankersRevenge · · Score: 2

      I'll give you a little insight into the publishing industry ... the editor/author relationship is becoming a thing in the past. Publishers these days tend to want to publish "the best" instead of growing a writer. I'm not saying these types of relationships no longer exist, rather they are no longer the norm. These days, publishers are looking for books ready to print.

      That said, marketing dollars for a non published writer is pretty much non-existent. Marketing dollars are generally reserved for the Stephen Kings of the industry while the new writer gets next nothing. And here's the lovely catch-22. Since publishers have access to sales numbers, a first book is do or die for a writer. If your first book sells horribly, you'll be less likely to publish again. A new writer has a better shot at getting published than a failed published one. So as a new writer, you really have the cards stacked against you.

      The big problem with self publishing is that writers tend to publish way too early, but it is certainly losing it's stigma it used to have. I knew a guy who self published a zombie book. It was terrible. I couldn't make it through it but he kept revising it (after he already self published) and he got a book deal out of it. Hell, two years ago, if you self published a manuscript, no house in the world would touch it. These are exciting times for a writer.

    36. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by benwiggy · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've worked in publishing for over fifteen years. But you're right, I probably didn't learn anything in all that time. Are you suggesting that publishers don't market and sell the books they've invested in these days....?

    37. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the one that I thought of. Billy got too big for his britches and forced all sorts of crap to get released.

    38. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHA! Idiot. The WRITER is behing the literary works. And no they deal wi8th libel and defamation for the PUBLISHER not the writer.

    39. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by jfengel · · Score: 1

      [[citation needed]]

    40. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by fwarren · · Score: 1

      It is much like TFA says, "Going with a publisher is betting AGAINST yourself"

      Route A: I believe in myself. This novel I wrote is great. I can sell it as-is, or I can INVEST in it and pony up some money for an editor to make further refinements to it. Then I can sell it online. I will get 70% of the profits from every copy I sell of it for a very long time. Thus I am betting that the novel is as good as I think it is and I can do a good job at promotion because I actually care about the material and believe in it.

      Route B: I believe that a publisher can do a better job. That I can shop the book around, find a publisher to pick it up, that they will put a decent editor on it. And even though I am a small potatoes first time author, they will really put some heart and effort in promoting my book, though the person in charge of promoting it, is also promoting 100 other books at the same time. For this service I will receive up to 15% or so per copy....after the publisher has a chance to play around with the accounting numbers like the record and movie industry is known to do.

      It has not happened yet but a #1 bestseller ebook by an unknown author is on its way. First ebook sales will have to surpass physical print sales. With physical print sales, the publisher is a necessary evil for actually getting your book in front of people. Once that is not the case, then it will matter if some ebook priced at 99 cents a copy jumps up in number to become the number one seller on amazon.com.

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    41. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by fwarren · · Score: 1

      I think we are suggesting that there will be a day when e-books are the norm, and almost no-one buys a physical copy of a book. When anyone can put their own ebook for sale at Barnes and Noble or Amazon. If you look at the publishing industry there are "rock stars" out there. If you are one of those folks, then the publisher is able to promote you, on talk-shows or billboards and such.

      The renaming 98% of authors would do just fine on their own. There will be no printing, warehousing or distribution costs. There is still value in a good lawyer, editor, and someone to do cover-art. Beyond that, when everything is an ebook and you are not in the top 2% of known names, you are better off with the 70% profit per sale, with no accounting games being played on you. As opposed to a traditional publisher who will give you at best 14% AND that is after they perform some creative accounting on the numbers. And remember at this point you are part of the great unswashed 98%, whom they do not do much promotion for.

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    42. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

      Downloading, will read. Note: last time I found a free ebook online from an author I didn't know, it was Accelerando and I ended up subsequently reading every other book by Stross, some borrowed, some purchased. So giving away a free sample like this can indeed by worthwhile.

      Just a note on formatting: I initially downloaded the PDF, but saw that it's in an awful Arial font which is frankly terrible for eBooks. I downloaded the epub now and will probably spend just a few minutes running it through Pandoc and Latex to get a nicely formatted PDF.

    43. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to say, while I was really intrigued by your comment in the beginning, I lost all interest after reading the typos and the dismal grammar.

      No offense, but I'm not sure I'd want to read anything you'd write or edit.

    44. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for mentioning that site. I've speculated a few times we'd get communities like that as an alternative to the current publishing model, but hadn't actually found one yet. Weird that it's audio only, though. Do you know of anything like it that does print? I could imagine sharing a second draft of my novel to get feedback, but I can't ever imagine turning it into an audiobook first.

    45. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      GP was implying that he actually did fine (4.5 star rating, popular, etc.) with the only skill-set he felt he was lacking being an editor.

      You're quite right in pointing out that you get a whole package of things with a publisher. But if all you want is an editor, you might aswell just pay an editor (bonus points if it's a friend of yours) rather than mucking around with middlemen. And a cut of sales rather than an upfront payment means you don't need bags of startup cash.

      If you're going to sell it in electronic formats only then you don't need a print production consultant, or any warehousing or distribution. If you're happy to rely on one of the many ebook selling sites (like Smashwords, see GP again) you don't need a salesman. And if you're either a) already famous or b) doing it as a hobby/pocket money rather than full time, marketing and PR aren't strictly necessary either. So why use a business model that factos in pay for all those people, if you don't actually need all those people?

      Personally I'm not arguing publishers are dead. But they now fill a much smaller niche than they used to.

    46. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by bware · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, and for someone new to writing and/or short of capital, the only reasonable way to afford editing, marketing, and so forth is to go with a publisher

      Speaking from experience, "editing" these days consists of arguing with a newly-minted English Lit contractor with no background in the field you are writing about (I'm talking about tech books, not fiction), and "marketing" consists of "If you are going to this conference anyway, why don't you set up a booth and sign your books there." Or flog it on Facebook yourself.

      Not to say that editing and marketing aren't useful, but I could have hired the postdoc myself, and she and I both would have done better on the deal without the publisher taking a cut, and I don't exactly need the publisher to tell me to flog the book on social media.

    47. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      SO what are you paying this hopefully competent editor? And how many books are you spreading that cost over? And there may be more than one 'editor' involved in a book publication (fact checkers, designers/artists, etc). And do not discount the value of handling the legal end of things either. Sure you can probably find a lawer to do it for you.. hopefully that is his specialty... and that too must be spread over the number of books sold.

    48. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that the remaining 98% of authors are shit. Publishers and editors tend to weed out the crapola too so that the book store doesn't have 50,000 books on goatse

    49. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      Say you have three author friends. Pass your book to each of them to proofread

      This makes the assumption that authors are good at proofreading. Proofreading is a fairly specialized skill, and takes not just a good eye, but a fair amount of training/practice. Good proofreaders make a decent living because there are so few of them (and a million who suck).

      I would venture to guess that few authors would be any good at it at all.

    50. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Downloads++

      I'm looking forward to reading it.

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    51. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by alcourt · · Score: 1

      Publishers edit?

      The word I am constantly being told is that your submission better be fully edited, publish ready before you submit.

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    52. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Sales and marketing support from a publisher?

      You must be part of the peanut gallery since it's obvious you've never published anything or even ever bothered to listen to those that do.

      Having your own editor is not that much different from the status quo with "real publishers" now.

      Right, so I suppose all those copies sent to magazines and newspapers for review, and all the print adverts for books, and the TV/radio appearances by authors, and live readings/discussions by authors are all paid out of the author's own pocket?

      I think you're the one who has no conception of what real publishing involves.

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    53. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you're an author, have you considered bartering? /quote. Not all of us have spare camels or daughters for sale.

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    54. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Say you have three author friends. Pass your book to each of them to proofread

      This makes the assumption that authors are good at proofreading. Proofreading is a fairly specialized skill, and takes not just a good eye, but a fair amount of training/practice. Good proofreaders make a decent living because there are so few of them (and a million who suck). I would venture to guess that few authors would be any good at it at all.

      Exactly, if authors were able to do their own proofreading properly, there'd be no need for proofreaders. Publishers don't pay for proofreading for the fun of it, any more than they do for editors.

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    55. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Just a note on formatting: I initially downloaded the PDF, but saw that it's in an awful Arial font which is frankly terrible for eBooks. I downloaded the epub now and will probably spend just a few minutes running it through Pandoc and Latex to get a nicely formatted PDF.

      I'm curious, why would you want to end up with a pdf anyway? Ebook readers and ebook reader software work much better with epub or other proper formats.

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    56. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'll give you a little insight into the publishing industry ... the editor/author relationship is becoming a thing in the past. Publishers these days tend to want to publish "the best" instead of growing a writer. I'm not saying these types of relationships no longer exist, rather they are no longer the norm. These days, publishers are looking for books ready to print.

      This has always been the case except for literary/serious writers, whee publishers are prepared not to make money (at least in the short term) but want to encourage a genuinely interesting writer.

      Best-seller type authors tend not to need much in the way of editing, hand-holding, encouragement and so on.

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    57. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Jonathan_S · · Score: 1

      You could always offer them a cut. If it takes you 3 months to write, and it takes them 1 week to edit, offer them about a 12th of the overall profit (which means you're about equal in terms of reward-per-hour). If thee book's a runaway success you can make them rich, if not then they get a trickle of pocket money for their trouble.

      I wonder if Amazon or other places that support self-publishing ebooks might build in some support for that.

      When you register your payment information for the book maybe they could also let you specify some additional payees and their percentages. So the book seller handles the paperwork for the profit splitting. (They're doing most of that anyway to document that they're giving the author their percentage, splitting that author share a few ways shouldn't be a huge amount of extra work for them.)

      And it lets the author focus on writing and not on documenting profits and sending out royalty checks to editors.

    58. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by nobodie · · Score: 1

      As an editor I have a vested interest in agreeing with you, but I only have to point to a few instances to exemplify why it is true.

      1) Harry Potter: go back and re-read the first HP novel. It was tight, well-integrated, crafted to be exciting and full of novel twists and interest. Now go and try to drag yourself through the last one (I actually gave up on the one before this, it was just such tedium to struggle through the morass of useless verbiage). That is what happens when an author becomes so rich, famous and powerful that they can dictate to the publisher whether they will be edited or not. The excuse is always that the readers want MORE not less. Well, less IS more, in quality terms anyway. Literary obesity is what i call this.

      2) Clive Cussler: once I was stuck in Vientiane waiting for a visa. I bought the biggest (2nd hand) book I could find. God what a piece of trash. I was embarrassed to be a human by the self-referent, self-aggrandizing, self-love fest that was posing as a piece of creative writing. Literary masturbation is a good name for this shite.

      I could rant on but you get the idea. I do not apologize for my ranting, because these books MIGHT have some value buried deep in their piles of useless words, but damned if i could find it.

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    59. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

      My ebook reader at least doesn't do nearly as good a job at formatting an ePub as Latex does. For one thing it tends to leave the right side ragged and doesn't have a hyphenation engine. Maybe other ebook readers have better renderers, but in general I like Latex's output and find it the most readable.

    60. Re:big diff: editors are actually important by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Without getting into all the intricacies of it, isn't proofreading basically just reading something and pointing out mistakes and potential improvements?

      We did the same thing back in primary school. Write a short paragraph, then pass it to the person to your left and have them read it over. Even if you think you made no mistakes, all it usually takes is a different point of view or three to actually catch them. Ditto on providing creative advice on changes/additions that can be made.

      I would go as far to say that anyone who is competent enough to write a book is also competent enough to proofread effectively - they just can't do it for themselves as well due to the bias from reading their own work.

  3. Wow by Aerorae · · Score: 1

    I figured publishers screwed over the authors, like artists and record labels, but DAMN... Good for him!

    1. Re:Wow by TheLink · · Score: 1

      His friend Joe Konrath seems to think copyright is "forever" - note his remarks about grandchildren, royalties, "forever".

      Give them enough power and it may be their turn to screw the readers too :).

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    2. Re:Wow by suutar · · Score: 1

      They don't have to. Disney will handle it for them. But even now (life + 75, isn't it?) it's (by definition) longer than he will live, and probably longer than his children will live.

  4. And when he... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1, Interesting

    When he publishes a paperback version, I might even consider getting it. While I understand the convenience of Ebooks, the readers give me a headache if I try to read for too long and I'm prone to marathon reading sessions.

    1. Re:And when he... by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1, Informative

      ...the readers give me a headache if I try to read for too long...

      Have you had a chance to try an e-ink device? I understand the price may not be attractive for a single purpose device, and that's a fine point, but I'd be very surprised if they affect you any differently than paper. The image is absolutely static and not backlit, so shouldn't be any different on the eyes; admittedly they tend to be somewhat lower DPI than normal printing, but I can't see that causing a headache.

    2. Re:And when he... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      While reading on an eInk device may not affect you any differently than reading paper (which I'm sure is subjective), the screens are still _vastly_ inferior to reading paper due to the horrible contrast ratio. My Kindle 3 is 'good enough', but nowhere near where I want it to be.

    3. Re:And when he... by Adayse · · Score: 1

      Here is how I do marathon ebook reading sessions:

      Windows 7, 720p laptop in portrait mode using adobe reader. Alt gr + arrow keys rotate the screen, in adobe reader Ctl+l then Ctl+3 to maximize the page so the text reaches the margins in all directions. Page down to read. Open Office and amber lit converter to make a nicer PDF. I get more headaches reading paper books.

    4. Re:And when he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While reading on an eInk device may not affect you any differently than reading paper (which I'm sure is subjective), the screens are still _vastly_ inferior to reading paper due to the horrible contrast ratio. My Kindle 3 is 'good enough', but nowhere near where I want it to be.

      Actually, a superhigh contrast ratio may not be such a good thing. My Nook is about the visual equivalent of a gray newspaper page and it's no strain whatsoever. I notice it for maybe a minute or so, then promptly forget once I begin reading.

      Reading off a CRT/LCD, I usually have a blinding-white background and after a while my eyes start to water, but I refuse to tone it down because even the higher-resolution light-emitting devices aren't as crisp as e-Ink.

    5. Re:And when he... by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      LCD tablets don't really count. Get a kindle.

    6. Re:And when he... by anUnhandledException · · Score: 1

      Once you have very black blacks the only way you can improve contrast is whiter whites. The whiter the white the more light is reflects. As an experiment print something on ultra bright paper. The good stuff. Tuck it into your paper back novel and next time you are on the beach, next to the pool, or in the park try reading both side by side.

      You don't want excessive contrast in a book. Digital or otherwise. Textbooks are often printed with higher contrast because rarely is someone reading by the pool with a copy of Multi-variable Calculus.

      Still I imagine the tech will improve with time. future versions of kindle likely will have variable contrast. It simply requires more shades of gray.

    7. Re:And when he... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Well, perhaps not a 'super-high' contract, but I'd like to see another major boost to the contrast from where it's at now. It's now 'mostly-dark grey on light grey'. I'd rather see REALLY dark grey on light grey. Plus the resolution needs to increase a lot - the letter forms are pretty terrible at SVGA.

    8. Re:And when he... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      I'd rather just have really dark grey on light grey. It doesn't need to be the same as paper, but it needs to be way better than it is now. Plus much better resolution for better letter forms (at least double in each axis).

    9. Re:And when he... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      When he publishes a paperback version, I might even consider getting it. While I understand the convenience of Ebooks, the readers give me a headache if I try to read for too long and I'm prone to marathon reading sessions.

      Buy a proper ebook reader then (not an iPad or netbook). I have a S*ny ereader, and it is as easy as reading a paper book. Seriously. .

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    10. Re:And when he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will also be a trade paperback version. POD.

      Tara Maya
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    11. Re:And when he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check for a CreateSpace edition from Amazon I'm sure their will be one their soon if not when the ebook goes on sale and try an i-ink device - I can now return to all night reading sessions!

    12. Re:And when he... by williamfrench4 · · Score: 1

      I'd recommend green text on a black background. Much easier on the eyes over long periods than black on luminous white.

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  5. Re:Never heard of him. by Shikaku · · Score: 2

    But I'll tell you why I am not inclined towards E-books. I like to read in the tub.

    Derp. Also there are more out there. Pick one, or print it yourself.

  6. Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over..... by blanchae · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Back in 2000, I contacted several publishers about publishing my 500 page book "Introduction to Data Communications", pretty much all declined stating that it was not specific enough. I wrote it specifically because at the time there wasn't an introductary level book. One major publisher had the following conditions that I would have to do in order for them to publish it:

    1. Add another 200 pages
    2. Create an online website
    3. Create an online test bank
    4. They would forward $5,000 of my expected earnings in order to perform the years worth of work.
    5. Hand over complete copyright to them
    6. If they decided that any changes were required, I would have to pay for the changes regardless if I agreed with them or not.

    I told the VP what I thought in the most appropriate terms and stated that I would give the book away rather than have anything to do their company. So since 2000, the book Introduction to Data Communications has been free online to anyone who wishes to use it. I used to make pocket change from the Google adds and for the last couple of years, instead of Google adds, I advertise the programs that I teach for at the post-secondary institute.

  7. Not entirely surprised... by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

    I've heard that self-publishing is particularly beneficial for well-established authors, whereas unknowns benefit quite a bit from the resources of a publisher to produce and distribute a first/early work. Though, IANAA(uthor) ;)

  8. Wait a minute .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean we can keep the 70% part???? I thought that part was for the dead tree crowd? Yeah I've checked it over thoroughly and releasing in a printed form is looking less and less attractive. Publishers need to think hard or risk loosing everything.

    1. Re:Wait a minute .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      loosing

      Publishers, yes. Editors, though, will never go out of style.

  9. Was wondering when this would happen by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I should have figured it'd be a tech-savvy writer.

    When I realized that Neil Gaiman was getting perhaps $2 out of that $20 new book, I thought, 'hell, I wish I could just buy any book he writes directly from him - I'd pay him $6, he gets triple times as much and I get it for 1/3 price'.

    Kudos to him, I hope he's successful against the publisher blacklisting he's going to suffer....

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    1. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Arkem+Beta · · Score: 0

      I think you would enjoy Neil Gaiman's work less if it weren't edited and I'm sure you like cover art too. Maybe you enjoy having places like amazon.com to buy books from and without a publisher's marketing effort you might not have even heard of Neil Gaiman.

      The $20 price isn't all profiteering, there are a lot of people who work on creating and selling a book and they don't work for free.

    2. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I only buy books for the cover art!

    3. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by nprz · · Score: 2

      Ditto. Especially saying that I remove the cover as soon as I get it so I don't tear it while thrashing (reading) the book.
      And judging by all the mistakes I see in the current books, they must be pieces of trash before the editing, or the editors are living in some alternate universe where wrong is right.

      DISCLAIMER: This comment was not edited by an editor. Read at your discretion.

    4. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So lame. No one gives a crap about cover art. We've heard of Neil Gaiman so he could sell his stuff directly. Most people I know have never bought anything from amazon.com. There are all kinds of PR firms that people can hire for anything they want.

      15% for the author is pure profiteering by the publishers. End of.

    5. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by EllisDees · · Score: 1

      Looks like the days of freelance editors is about to arrive too!

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    6. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by __aatgod8309 · · Score: 1

      Arrive? Return, you mean.

    7. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Olivier+Galibert · · Score: 1

      Out of the $20, there's approximatively $6-8 for the library (amazon being the worst there, they want $10 iirc), $3-4 for printing, $2-4 for shipping and the distributor if there is one (and in NG's case, I'm sure there is). So that's $4-9 left, i.e. $2-7 for the publisher (and closer to $2 than to $7). The publisher is definitively not ripping him off.

          OG.

    8. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic economics says you could just pay him $2 and he still would make several times over what he would make with a traditional publisher.
      Lower price -> higher demand. So if there is a way to lower the price while keeping the profit per book roughly the same (which e-publishing allows) - by all means, go for it authors!

    9. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by deadcyclo · · Score: 0

      So lame. No one gives a crap about cover art. [....]

      15% for the author is pure profiteering by the publishers. End of.

      Just because you feel that way doesn't make it a universal truth. I personally have many times choosen a more expensive version of a book simply because I favored its cover art (and vice versa a cheaper version because I favored its cover art).

      Does the author deserve more than 15%? Most definately. Does that mean that 85% of the price is profiteering? Absolutely not.

    10. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      I'm sure this guy is going to hire an editor, I wouldn't worry about that. If nothing else, the editing process might go better due to lack of interference from the publisher. I'm sure the guy can sign on with an independent agent that will work on booking him book signings (although, what will there be to sign?) and other appearances for PR. He's an established author, so it won't be difficult to book him.

      I will say this, the current book model is BS and doesn't work for anyone, including publishers. I managed a bookstore for a year after I got out of college (thanks 9/11), and I can tell you that a mom & pop book store pays 50% of the cover price for a book. Larger book stores/chains probably pay quite a bit less. So, the publisher is getting $10 off of that $20 book, minus shipping fees, paying for their bureaucratic system, editor, page layout, PR, the author's cut, and gambling on a specific title (more books will loose money than make money, but the books that make money make a LOT of money). The entire industry is based around eventually hitting the jackpot and publishing a Harry Potter or Steven King.

      We've moved on to a different era. People don't learn about music from tv or the radio these days, people hear about it via word of mouth, social networking, and viral advertisement. A major label can get you exposure on a site like Pitchfork, but smart viral advertisement and working your way up the ladder via smaller music blogs also works. Major established artists, such as Radiohead, have made the switch and it works just fine for them. This should translate just fine over into the book world as time goes on and more people are using eReaders. At this point, I think that's the major stumbling block...the adoption rate of eReaders just isn't there yet and probably won't be until we have good eInk based ereaders readily available for about $50-75.

      Anyway, as a summary, self-promotion and self-publication does work these days and it will only become more prevalent. Like this author or not, kudos to him for trying to help pave the path for the future. I personally think it's exciting seeing this change in media distribution in action.

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    11. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by anUnhandledException · · Score: 1

      Does the author deserve more than 15%? Most definately. Does that mean that 85% of the price is profiteering? Absolutely not.

      Aren't these mutually exclusive. If an author deserves more than 15% but doesn't because the publisher is keeping 85% then yes that is profiteering.
      Nobody is saying publishers should do work for free but prior to ebooks the lack of an alternative allowed them the ability to profiteer off of others.

      That is starting to change. No reason a publisher can't survive with a smaller split. If they can't then freelance editors and PR companies will kill them off.

    12. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You're pretty presumptuous. Plenty of "fans" appreciate the work of their favorite "authors" even more when it's in the raw.

      The raw form of the work better represents what it is about that "author" that the fan likes.

      The meddling of editors cuts both ways. It destroys works and authors as well.

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    13. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      If I liked the cover art, I would seek out the relevant artist directly and buy his or her stuff.

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    14. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by deadcyclo · · Score: 0

      Aren't these mutually exclusive. If an author deserves more than 15% but doesn't because the publisher is keeping 85% then yes that is profiteering. Nobody is saying publishers should do work for free but prior to ebooks the lack of an alternative allowed them the ability to profiteer off of others.

      No. It seems that I was to vague. My point was that even though the author deserves more than 15%, the whole 85% is not profiteering, although some of it most surely is.

      That is starting to change. No reason a publisher can't survive with a smaller split. If they can't then freelance editors and PR companies will kill them off.

      Well. Further up somebody presented some numbers where 40% of the cake was taken by the distributer (I have no idea if these numbers are correct or not, but I'll assume they are for now). %40 percent seems quite a huge number, leading me to assume that if anybody is really profiteering here it's the distributors. This really isn't surprising. In a lot of markets one sees distributors and/or retailers doing most of the earning.

      I'm in no way trying to defend publishers. I find the way many publishers abuse their power to keep the copyright on works they have no plans of doing anything more with just to avoid giving the author back his ownership of the work horrid. What I'm saying is that when it comes to the actual dividing of the cake, I'm not positive that the publishers are the worst, and that it is important to look at the whole chain not only one end of it.

      It would be interesting to know how much of the final retail price the producer gets in other situations. How much does the producer of a cellphone earn of the retail price? The same for computers. The same for cucumbers and coffee beans. I'm rather afraid that doing this comparison would show that 15% actually is a rather large piece of the cake compared to other markets. And again, I'm not defending the fact that authors only get 15%, I'm just saying that this probably is a universal problem in no way limited to books.

    15. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by deadcyclo · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't. Simply because I'm not very into the kind of art one hangs on walls, or puts on tables. My do love my library though. To me there is something very special about books on shelves.

      But it's all very individual I would think. I like nice cover art for two reasons: It looks good on my shelves (in my opinion), and I like reading a "beautiful" book. Sometimes when I'm just to tired to read I'll just look at the cover of the book until I fall asleep. (This probably makes me weird ;) )

    16. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      40% is an entirely normal markup on pretty much everything people buy retail. I have no idea why books would be any different than a pair of scissors or frozen pizzas. Sometimes it's going to one person, sometimes two, but I promise you, almost everything you purchase has about half the price go to some people in the middle somewhere.

      And please notice that people in the middle actually moved the thing to you from the factory, either via their trucks, or via UPS. And processed your individual credit card purchase, and handled refunded and exchanges, and rented storefront and/or warehouse space, and paid clerks to sell it to you, etc, etc...

      When you state it as a lump sum of 40% it seems unfair, but if you can do it cheaper, feel free to open your own store.

      Also, 15% is not going to the 'producer' of a book. Publishing companies have editors, and they have printers, they are at the least 'co-producing' the book. In fact, if you apply theatre terminology, they would be called the actual 'producers'.

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    17. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I think you would enjoy Neil Gaiman's work less if it weren't edited and I'm sure you like cover art too.

      Editing: sure. Cover art: I couldn't care less. Since getting a Nook, the front cover is the black-and-white picture I glimpse for however long it takes the screen to refresh after I hit the "next page" button.

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    18. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by deadcyclo · · Score: 0

      40% is an entirely normal markup on pretty much everything people buy retail. I have no idea why books would be any different than a pair of scissors or frozen pizzas. Sometimes it's going to one person, sometimes two, but I promise you, almost everything you purchase has about half the price go to some people in the middle somewhere.

      That's pretty much what I assume as well. (Note my last paragraph where I actually claim that 15% probably is a higher cut than one can expect in other markets besides books).

      And please notice that people in the middle actually moved the thing to you from the factory, either via their trucks, or via UPS. And processed your individual credit card purchase, and handled refunded and exchanges, and rented storefront and/or warehouse space, and paid clerks to sell it to you, etc, etc...

      40% is also (at least in other markets than books) just an average. I worked as an assistant manager in retail for several years and the markups vary highly. Some products everybody looses money on, from the producer through the retailer. Some products the retailer looses money on, and everybody else makes money off. Some products the distributor looses money on, and everybody else makes money on. That's just the way the market works. The most important factors for a working chain like this is that every link in the chain makes money at the end of the day, not on every single product.

      When you state it as a lump sum of 40% it seems unfair, but if you can do it cheaper, feel free to open your own store.

      Also, 15% is not going to the 'producer' of a book. Publishing companies have editors, and they have printers, they are at the least 'co-producing' the book. In fact, if you apply theatre terminology, they would be called the actual 'producers'.

      I'm really not sure how unfair 40% seems. It's not unfair if one compares it with other markets. I think the 40% example was Amazon. I don't know enough about how things works with books to know how much work Amazon actually does, but as far as I can tell they are a retailer (and rely a lot on external distributors to do storage). If Amazons only actions are the shipping to end user, credit card handling, promotion and some storage, 40% seems a huge number to me. If they on the other hand actually do printing and storage themselves it might be a bit better.

      Yes... Producer was definitely the wrong word. Perhaps "inventor" or "creator" would be more accurate?

      To me it seems rather sad that the only way one can survive as an author is to be a "super star". It would please me greatly if more people could earn a fair living authoring books, but it's probably hard. One area I would like to see more focus on is the distribution links, that in our day and age should be possible to work around. I'm hoping for a future where bookstores become local "printers" that print books on demand from the customers, and any publisher (self publishing or through a publishing house) can sell their work through them. This would eliminate not only the huge cost of shipping, storage and handling, but also be more environmental friendly, and everybody would win (except Amazon and the other huge worldwide providers). Combine this with selling online e-books and e-book "kiosk" that support all reading devices at the local "printers" and I think the industry has a bright future for (almost) everybody.

    19. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Some products everybody looses money on, from the producer through the retailer. Some products the retailer looses money on, and everybody else makes money off. Some products the distributor looses money on, and everybody else makes money on.

      Heh. My company resells software. A one point, we were able to purchase a 3 user license of the software at wholesale for about $10, and a 1 user license for about $15. Very weird. Couldn't figure that one out. We, of course, just kept selling...but bought a lot in advance, because we correctly guessed the price would go back up.

      I sorta doubt that distributors lose money on any products, though. Unlike manufacturers, who already have the production equipment, employees, and commitments, and resellers, who use loss leaders, distributors have no real reason to keep distributing something they lose money on. Maybe it happens once in a blue moon, but it's probably very uncommon.

      Yes... Producer was definitely the wrong word. Perhaps "inventor" or "creator" would be more accurate?

      I don't really know the right word, 'producer' just struck me as odd, because I deal with theatre a lot, and a 'producer' is someone who takes the output of a script writer, hires a director, hires actors, rents a space, does advertising, and bears the risk of failure, giving the writer a cut of success.

      Which is pretty much directly analogous to what a publishing company does in writing. They take the output of a writer, hire an editor, do printing runs, get shelf space in stores, does advertising, and bears the risk of failure, giving the writer a cut of success.

      Book:publisher::theatre:producer

      The only difference is that that producers tend to be individuals who hire actors and directors as needed, whereas publishing companies tend to have permanent staff and handle a lot more projects at once. (And producers find investors in each show, whereas publishing companies don't let people invest in individual books, but that's nothing to do with the actual process. Actually, letting people invest in individual books would be pretty cool.)

      'Inventor' is probably a more reasonable analogy. It's like they got a patent and licensed it to a company in exchange for a percentage of profits.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    20. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by deadcyclo · · Score: 0

      Heh. My company resells software. A one point, we were able to purchase a 3 user license of the software at wholesale for about $10, and a 1 user license for about $15. Very weird. Couldn't figure that one out. We, of course, just kept selling...but bought a lot in advance, because we correctly guessed the price would go back up.

      I sorta doubt that distributors lose money on any products, though. Unlike manufacturers, who already have the production equipment, employees, and commitments, and resellers, who use loss leaders, distributors have no real reason to keep distributing something they lose money on. Maybe it happens once in a blue moon, but it's probably very uncommon.

      Where I worked in retail this was actually quite common. However it was a completely different industry and in Europe not the states. Generally this was used to either create focus on a product they wanted to sell more of in the future or a new product that they wanted to push to the market.

    21. Re:Was wondering when this would happen by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, I forgot about 'getting people hooked' as a reason. Yeah, that makes sense for a distributor to do. Get it a space on the shelves, and then increase the price later.

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  10. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by SpottedKuh · · Score: 5, Informative

    You, sir, have the finest licensing agreement that I have ever seen in the introduction of your book. I was genuinely moved.

  11. So...back to paper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In which case, they're no longer an E-book, so I'm better off picking up books for a buck at thrift stores and garage sales.

    Somehow I just find that a better investment of my money.

    1. Re:So...back to paper? by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      No, my point was, you can order an ebook to buy a paper edition. There are book printers online that give you a paperback/hardcover book.

  12. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for doing this, the hard part is of course keeping it up-to-date, e.g. this http://learnat.sait.ab.ca/ict/txt_information/Intro2dcRev2/page14.html#Voice and the data lines paragraph immediately following.

  13. buy a kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had the same problem, until i blew a wad of cash on a Kindle. Much more comfortable to read than a backlit LCD. It's not really good for anything but reading non-textbook ebooks though.

    (disclaimer: yes, I have stock in Amazon)

    1. Re:buy a kindle by narcc · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't have stock in Amazon, but I do have a Kindle -- and it's fantastic for reading e-books. I never imagined that I'd ever say anything like this but, it's a superior experience to reading a trade paperback.

      Amazon's Kindle is just one of many great readers; any newer e-ink device is going to be a satisfying buy. I wouldn't recommend any other kind of display. Just an example, my wife has a Sony PRS-350, which she adores.

      We were both big readers, but now we find that we read more than we ever did before.

  14. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa, I was getting ready to view a few sections of this. That's a pretty hard agreement to keep just to read a little about data communications.

  15. Re:Never heard of him. by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    But I'll tell you why I am not inclined towards E-books. I like to read in the tub.

    But e-book readers are even better than paper books for reading in the tub.

    I found that my kindle fits perfectly into a quart sized freezer baggy (which are a bit thicker than sandwich baggies), and I can still operate all of the controls. Perfect for reading in the tub, and unlike a paper book, there's no worries about the book getting soggy if you dip it into the water - you can dunk the entire baggy protected Kindle into the water and pick it up and continue reading.

    The baggy also works well when you want to take it to the beach and protect it from sand... or when you're eating doritos and don't want it to get all cheesy.

    And since I already had these baggies in the kitchen, total cost for this protection was a few cents.

  16. Raise your hand if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    the President consulting with the UN instead of with Congress before committing our resources to yet another war in yet another sandy, third-world shithole makes you a tad bit uncomfortable.

  17. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good stuff. My jaw is still on my desk.

  18. Publishing houses aren't Record labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Editors are a necessary part of any form of writing that isn't purely artistic (poetry, etc). Creating a piece of writing is a two-step process: first, you come up with the idea that you want to convey, but then you need to convey it in a manner in which people can understand. Even the best writers can be great at the former, but less so on the latter. It's the editor's job to think of the reader, and to put himself in the shoes of the public. Ironically, the same eccentricities that some great writers have that allow them their original viewpoints on their subject matter can be what prevents them from being able to relate to the "normal" reader.

    Yes, there are some geniuses out there. Most of Twain's work is unchanged and Hunter S. Thompson's famous for his ramblings; but really, that's not the yardstick you should be going by.

    1. Re:Publishing houses aren't Record labels by WankersRevenge · · Score: 1

      Editing is critical with writing (all writing is rewriting), but the editor / writer relationship has been increasingly diminished. Editors are getting more writers with fewer hours to devote to each one. The end result is that publishers are seeking "the best" manuscripts as opposed to manuscripts that need work.

      For example, Robert E. Howard - author of the Conan stories - would not be published under today's system as he was nurtured from an editor early on in his career

      The days of publishers farming their own writers are quickly becoming a thing of the past. You got to be a Stephen King right out of the gate and if your first book fails, then you have a better shot at getting published again if you use a penname ( ie, one bad book will kill you these days).

    2. Re:Publishing houses aren't Record labels by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

      I guess this just begs the question: when will editors start hanging out their own shingle to perform fee-for-service editing or royalty based work. Whatever they charge it is likely to cost the author less and yet make them more. Quality editors will command more $$$ by virtue of the reputation of the books them have worked on while others will of course charge less. Same can be said for PR firms. Basically the entire publishing "thing" could become an ala cart afair ... which as many have already commented on, is where the music industry is headed.

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      If you can't be good, be good at it!
    3. Re:Publishing houses aren't Record labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, you can pay an editor directly for his work. Self published doesn't necessarily mean unedited. True, it's possible the best editing talent may not be available freelance, but how often to authors get to dictate who edits their work, anyway?

  19. The model I hope to see in the music industry by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Maybe the infrastructure for downloading music for free is too entrenched, but I'm glad to see this starting to happen; not just for my savings but for the artists. The publishing industry might have legitimate costs, but when I read that Konrath [sic] article I was horrified by the crappy cut the authors were getting. I thought only unsaavy or unestablished bands were getting exploited like that.

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  20. Fun Interview, If a Bit Long by SpectreHiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmmmm... Slashdot appears to have eaten my original comment. I hope my comment was yummy and filling, Slashdot.

    Anyway... I read the interview earlier today and it's a pretty good read, if a bit long at somewhere over 13,000 words. Konrath is preaching his usual gospel, but it was nice to get Eisler's perspectives on the publishing industry and its inner workings. He drops a few entertaining links as well; one chronicles his struggles with a French publisher who bought the rights to one of his books. They went to the hassle of translating the book, only to put a cover on it that depicted a chartreuse garage door with a security camera. I have no idea what sort of through process led to that decision, but I'd kind of like to know.

    I'm actually pleased as punch to see Barry Eisler doing so well, and doubly pleased that he's shifting to self-publishing and being so vocal about it. I met him back in 2003 shortly after his first book, Rain Fall, came out. I was working at a bookstore a few miles from his house, and he'd drop through to sign copies and urge us to sell more. I got the impression he was just a genuinely nice guy, and he even humored me when I asked for advice in getting an agent.

    That said, I'm more than a bit jealous, too. He released a short story on Kindle this year, and it's apparently on track to make $30,000, while I'm struggling to sell a dozen copies of my sci-fi novel a month. He's a really good guy, though, and I wish him the absolute best as he dives head first into the self-publishing world.

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    1. Re:Fun Interview, If a Bit Long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I just downloaded a sample chapter of your book. At US$3, if the sample is even remotely fun, it's probably worth me buying a copy. Hopefully it's not Geographically Restricted (having to lie to Amazon is annoying).

    2. Re:Fun Interview, If a Bit Long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us prefer a physical book -- is it possible for you to get them to do a print-on-demand version in addition to the electronic one, for those of us who don't have kindles?

    3. Re:Fun Interview, If a Bit Long by SpectreHiro · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks for taking a look, either way. I hope you find it interesting enough to purchase, of course, but it's hard enough just getting folks to nibble at this stage. As for geographical restrictions, I don't believe there are any (at least, it seems like folks outside of the US have been able to purchase it), but if there are, you can find alternate methods for obtaining a copy at my blog.

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    4. Re:Fun Interview, If a Bit Long by SpectreHiro · · Score: 1

      A lot of indies are offering POD versions right now, but when I took a look at the options, I was disappointed in both the quality of the printing and the price. The idea of offering my customers an overpriced, junky book didn't exactly get me excited. That said, I'm keeping an open mind right now. I've heard some great things about Lightning Source recently, and I intend to give them a closer look when I get a chance. All of my work is also released under a Creative Commons license, and you can feel absolutely free to print out copies if you desire.

      Sorry, I know it's not quite the answer you were looking for, but my approach to the business is still evolving.

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  21. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by blanchae · · Score: 1

    Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, there's not much motivation for keeping it up to date or revising it. It really needs all the graphics to be updated and the content reviewed. I do add new content once in a while, such as the section on subnet masking as it pertained to what I currently teach.

  22. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by geminidomino · · Score: 2

    All looks good except for #2.

    Damn, and I was interested, too. :P

  23. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by blanchae · · Score: 4, Funny

    Readings free, copying it - I take your soul...

  24. Which is back to paper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I said, the better decision as far as I'm concerned would be to buy a lot more used books rather than pay to print one out.

    Really, if I'm buying an ebook just to print it out, it just does not seem a wise investment.

    Why are you suggesting it? I'm baffled.

    1. Re:Which is back to paper. by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      I like to read in the tub.

  25. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by blanchae · · Score: 1

    I won't know that you've viewed it until you remove your tinfoil hat then the Major League Baseball's satellite will report it to me. I should really modify the agreement to provide some penalties for those that don't follow it.

  26. You're more of a risk taker than I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, then you're more of a risk taker than I am. I'm glad it works for you, but me, I just couldn't gamble that much on closing the bag.

    And I really don't need to be tempted to eat more Doritos either!

    1. Re:You're more of a risk taker than I am by vlm · · Score: 1

      I'm glad it works for you, but me, I just couldn't gamble that much on closing the bag.

      The problem with being "connected" and "well informed" is you catch the early adopter prices, remember them, and think they still apply way down the long tail. I still have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that a "big HDTV" costs as much as a kia car, because that is what they used to cost when the tech was new. Now they cost about one monthly kia car payment instead. A big LCD HDTV is currently cheaper than a very well insulated multi-pane window, although I can't figure out how that happens.

      In a similar way, a top of the line ipod touch cost about $600 at release, I could never afford that, so forget about ever owning one.... except that I actually bought one for $186 at best buy about two (one?) years ago. They're probably cheaper now. Weren't Kindles about $500 when they were newly released 1st gen? Correct I would not take a $500 device into the tub, assuming I were a woman whom takes baths, and by some miracle I had the spare time to float around in a tub of my own slowly cooling diluted wastes for an hour. The problem is a kindle is about $130 now, not $500.

      Sadly I have paid well over $130 for individual college textbooks ... If I could buy a kindle or whatever just for that one book, it would literally be risk mitigation to use the "cheap" kindle in the tub rather than the "expensive" textbook in the tub.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    2. Re:You're more of a risk taker than I am by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I would even recommend the Nook color. $250 Android tablet after rooting. Why oh why did B&N make the Android market unavailable?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:You're more of a risk taker than I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly I have paid well over $130 for individual college textbooks ... If I could buy a kindle or whatever just for that one book,

      Except you can't because college book stores/publishers/professors have been raping students since time began and they feel entitled to charging you an arm and a leg for a slight variation of the same book they had last year and giving you 20% back for it at the end of the semester. So they don't sell it in a format for the kindle.

      Of course, times change. Tell me young lad, has the beast been slain and professors now post textbooks online for all to share?

    4. Re:You're more of a risk taker than I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is a kindle is about $130 now, not $500.

      Sadly I have paid well over $130 for individual college textbooks ... If I could buy a kindle or whatever just for that one book, it would literally be risk mitigation to use the "cheap" kindle in the tub rather than the "expensive" textbook in the tub.

      Yeah, I'm well aware of the prices, but for me, 130$ is still well over my limit for an electronic device and water. And I can't imagine reading an expensive textbook in the tub either, I can't imagine reading a textbook in the tub at all, just does not seem a good fit size or subject wise, but if I did, I'd probably get one out of the giveaway bin at the local bookstore.

      The real point is not the money though, it's that the device would likely be ruined. So might a book you say? Fair enough, but that's a risk I'm going to take when most of my books come used from the discount stores. No E-book reader is quite that disposable yet.

  27. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hell, I paid $150 for my first IT textbook, and it is really no more useful than yours.

  28. Re:Dean Koontz by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    You might have been whooshed by a troll. Watch out for that spread between "critically acclaimed" and "commercially popular". He found a market for Scouts With Issues - and makes money at it. I'd call that a genius at literary branding.

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  29. Somehow I don't find that to be an answer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And so I should buy an ebook just to print it out?

    Why, when I'm much happier with my solution, buying books for far less from discount sources. Heck, I can even get several hardbacks for the cost of your solution.

    Sorry, but you're just not making sense in your suggestion. Buy an ebook. Pay to print it? Then why buy the ebook? Seems a waste of dollars.

  30. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting anonymously so you can keep your mod points. ;-)

    A comment and a question.

    Is your "book" available in any form other than on-line? It certainly looks worth buying, and reading (though not in a web browser).

    From Chapter 11:

    Synchronous transmission is more efficient as little as only 4 bytes (3 Start Framing bytes and 1 Stop Framing byte) are required to transmit up to 64 kbits.

    You could use the services of a good editor. ;-)

  31. Re:Taking our souls by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 0

    Hmm - this line of the license says that we can modify and then use the text without pre-securing permissions from you.

    "You are allowed to use it, view it, modify it without permission of the author Eugene Blanchard."

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  32. Re:Never heard of him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a more important question. What the hell are you doing in a 'tub' anyway? Are you a woman?

  33. Re:Taking our souls by Shikaku · · Score: 1

    whoosh

  34. Re:Motivation to revise it by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Honest question, which I feel is key to this area of copyleft etc -

    Why is there no motivation for updating and revising it? Your original goal can't have been To Get Rich. What is your official opinion of people doing derivative works? I would advise you think in terms of the Creative Commons spread of licenses.

    I have marked it for my notes, at the minimum to read, but also for alternative web experiments.

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  35. Re:whoosh by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    There Is No Whoosh in copyright discussions anymore.

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  36. Just trading one publisher for another... by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    Apple is now the publisher du jour. The old publishing industry being taken over by the new. Can't say we didn't tell them... The old publishers wanted to keep their paradigm... and now they will go out of business. But I think this will go beyond apple. I don't like apple, never have, never will but I have always recommend their products for those that are looking for a more consumer experience rather than a do for yourself one...

    I think in the end the writers that do well will get together and form a publishing co-op. No reason they couldn't for an online business model. They will continue to sell content to apple and other locked markets but apple won't keep a monopoly.

    Apple has done what Microsoft tried to do for years. Window CE was on the first smart phone I ever saw, long before I ever heard of the iPhone. Microsoft was playing with tablets back in the days of windows 95. Creative Labs came out with the first digital music players (no real OS involved so MS didn't care.) What Steve Jobs and his team did was package a complete experience just like game console systems. So no chicken and egg dilemma. They were one of the few companies that was large enough and had the capital connections to create and market a complete experience and have brand recognition to be able to sell it.

    Apple won't be able to hold onto the market with their system lock ins but so far they have a track record of selling gadgets to the public that the rest of the industry has failed at. Apple keeps inventing new markets. So what will their next killer product be? Maybe VR headsets?

    1. Re:Just trading one publisher for another... by anUnhandledException · · Score: 1

      Apple sells a negligble amount of books.

      Hell more kindle books are sold on the ipad than ibooks on the ipad.

      Think about it....
      Why would anyone who has a brain buy ibooks over kindle version EVEN IF they have an ipad.

      Have an iPad. Buy kindle version - works on ipad, android (phones and future tablets), kindle, blackberry, iphone, PC & Mac.
      Have an iPad. Buy ibooks version - works on ipad.

    2. Re:Just trading one publisher for another... by pstorry · · Score: 1

      *coughs*

      Your timeline is wrong. Creative's first MP3 player was a full two years after the first commercially available MP3 player, maybe even three.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3_player

      The first was announced in 1997, but I'm not sure when it shipped - hence saying two years, to be generous to your good self.

      My first MP3 player was a Diamond Rio 500, which shipped in 1999, the year before Creative's entry to the market. It had a USB connection, which was much faster than its predecessor's serial connection. And a whopping 64Mb of internal memory meant you could fit two whole albums on it (at 128kbp/s using VBR, assuming they weren't long albums). Plus the SmartMedia slot allowed for another 32 or 64Mb of storage. I seem to recall I had a fancy leather older for mine, which held a spare SmartMedia card, meaning I had two permanent albums and then a choice of two cards, each holding two more albums.

      And I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

      And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.

      *ahem*

      Anyway, Apple did have a chicken and egg dilemma. The original iPod shipped in 2001, and iTunes wasn't a store then. Heck, the initial first generation of iPod wasn't even Windows compatible - the first revision to (1a) shipped in 2002, and was Windows compatible because it shipped with the 3rd party MusicMatch software, which was replaced by iTunes in the third generation (shipping in 2003).

      iTunes became a music store in 2003, meaning that Apple shipped iPods for two years and expected customers to rip their own CDs.

      For what it's worth, I don't necessarily disagree with your premise - that old publishers are dying, because retailers/manufacturers (Amazon/Apple) are cutting out what they view as an unnecessary middleman.

      But your supporting facts aren't historically correct, and perhaps those supporting facts show why Apple/Amazon have taken the iTunes/Kindle road - because they saw how bad the middlemen were and decided to circumvent them.

  37. Re:Taking our souls by blanchae · · Score: 1

    Sorry, all your souls are now mine.... unless you can guess my name. Whoops, gave that one away. You win...

  38. Enjoying a nice warm soak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a comfortable and relaxing experience, you should try it.

    1. Re:Enjoying a nice warm soak by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 1

      Beats the ol' testes getting beaten by the shower head when the lady of the house leaves the shower head on uber-massage.

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    2. Re:Enjoying a nice warm soak by weicco · · Score: 1

      Especially if you are having a terrible hang over :D

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  39. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    With the decline and fall of the outlets for actual paper books, comes exactly the dilemma you are in. I am actually not interested in how some previously established writer decides to feel all bold and self publish. I am more interesed in cases like yours - how do I as a user decide whether to download such books? Rather than my typical 4 paragraph posts, since people have told me I kept getting whooshed on this thread, I'll leave it as the rhetorical but honest question.

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  40. Re:Taking our souls by blanchae · · Score: 1

    Actually the line reads "You are allowed to use it, view it, modify it without permission of the author Eugene Blanchard, provided that you agree to the following:" then there's a bunch of conditions that if you follow you'll be a better person or a least make me feel better.....

  41. Re:Never heard of him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is slashdot. Many of the people here have long ago lost the ability to support their own body weight. They need to be floating in water, or else they'll quickly go the way of a beached whale.

  42. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by blanchae · · Score: 2

    I don't know if that was a compliment or not...

  43. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is there any way to get a pdf copy of your book so that i can put it on my reader? looks great and I really want to read it!

  44. Re:Motivation to revise it by blanchae · · Score: 1

    Money is a good motivator, there's a lot of work in revising the book and updating the look. A lot of the topics are now better covered on other websites. I started revising it a couple of years back and found that rather than re-invent the wheel by rewriting, I would most likely just add links to the many better sites that available for each subject. I'm also approaching early retirement age and I'm concentrating on other projects that will provide a better financial reward. Basically, I have too many things on the go.

  45. Re:Never heard of him. by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    It looks like you are using unauthorized 3rd party modifications with your Kindle. This is against the EULA, expect actions from Amazon.

  46. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by geek · · Score: 1

    You can download the first chapter of almost every ebook for free to decide if you like it. You can even keep it indefinitely. Try ripping the first chapter out of a paperback at your local book store and walking out with it. There is your difference.

  47. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by blanchae · · Score: 1

    I use to have a pdf of the book but the BW charges from people downloading started to cost me money every monthjust to give it away. As for the editor, that just one of the good services that I could use ;-) There's a lot of work required to update it. I was especially proud of the Token Ring section than it became obsolete. I added the disclaimer at the beginning of the Token Ring section to stop teachers from using it in their curriculum other than as historical. Kept getting enquiries about Token Ring, the dead protocol. I just don't have the heart to remove it.

  48. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Put the pdf on rapidshare, megaupload or similar and link to it?

    Leave the Token Ring bit in. It's part of history :).

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  49. Re:Never heard of him. by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 2

    Nonsense! Forklifts and flatbed trucks with 'Oversized Load' banners exist for a reason!

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  50. Re:Never heard of him. by Aeternitas827 · · Score: 1

    Only problem is, I can *never* close those baggies quite all the way, which leads to a waterlogged Kindle. Although, based on their commercials, they should be able to absorb SOME moisture--at least one of the commercial spots highlight a dog licking a Kindle while the user goes on reading. Not sure what kind of dog, but I'm pretty sure it was a breed with highly active salivary glands.

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  51. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Patch86 · · Score: 2

    I use to have a pdf of the book but the BW charges from people downloading started to cost me money every monthjust to give it away.

    You could pop a torrent up to take the strain off your host. It's always nice to have one more legitimate, non-pirated torrent out in the wild.

  52. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

    [OFFTOPIC]
    One of your licensing requirements "That you will respect the rights of others in their sexual orientation." Reminded me of a conversation with my mother many solar cycles ago.

    She opposes gay marriage; when I point it out for her that she's forcing her beliefs on others she says that she isn't forcing them to believe what she wants.

    But you are still forbidding them to marry? Of course not, they can marry whatever woman they want. She replies... I've tried this many times. She seriously thinks she is respecting their rights while tramping them. So I don't thionk it is going to work, bigots would simply auto-approve themselves anyway.

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    But... the future refused to change.
  53. FYI by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

    French --> English
    librairie,libraire --> bookshop, bookseller
    bibliotheque --> library

    1. Re:FYI by Olivier+Galibert · · Score: 1

      I even happen to know that. Sleep, I need more of.

          OG.

    2. Re:FYI by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Point taken, but FWIW slashdot an edit-function it needs.

      At least until a single followup comment is posted, posts should be editable; welcome to 1999 slashdot.

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      -Styopa
  54. ebook pricing too high by Deb-fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Barry: This is a critical point. There’s a huge data set proving that digital books are a price-sensitive market, and that maximum revenues are achieved at a price point between $.99 and $4.99. So the question is: why aren’t publishers pricing digital books to maximize digital profits? Joe: Because they're protecting their paper sales. Barry: Exactly. Joe: It's awfully dangerous for an industry to ignore (or even blatantly antagonize) their customers in order to protect self-interest.

    This is one thing that puts me off buying ebooks. At the moment they are overpriced.

    Another problem is that they come with DRM, and running a free operating system I cannot read them and have to resort to other methods to obtain a free copy. I would much rather purchase a reasonably priced ebook with no DRM so that some money goes to the author.

    We are left with the same untenable situation with ebooks as there was with the music industry, that is that you get a better ebook for free which is flexible and can be read on any ereader than you get by purchasing for £12 from an official ebook retailer.

    1. Re:ebook pricing too high by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      I used to read a lot of fiction. I started when a paperback was $1.95. Got to know the SF/Fantasy section fairly well, and could quickly scan to see what was new. and had an idea what was coming, Then they began raising prices in $0.50 increments every 6 to 12 months. When the average paperback exceeded $5, I quit. And my familiarity faded. Now the selections available are almost all strange to me.

      Digital might persuade me to read fiction again. But only if the prices are sane and they lay off the DRM.

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      Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
    2. Re:ebook pricing too high by rwv · · Score: 1

      I would much rather purchase a reasonably priced ebook with no DRM so that some money goes to the author.

      The self-publishing eBook market is fairly defined these days. Amazon is the one that offers 70% royalties for sales that go through its own site. I believe they also offer POD which provides 70% of MSRP for each softcover or hardcover sale an author generates. To sign up for this, authors need to shell out a few hundred dollars (which is pretty reasonable).

      On the other hand, another "sales" method that I think would really work for self-published eBooks is the "Give them away for free and accept donations" method. I feel like the donations wouldn't support most authors, but PayPal (or whatever service you use) gives you $0.97 for every dollar donated.

      Either of these methods *seems* to be better than the traditional method of getting 10-20% of sales when going through a traditional publisher. Anyway, book stores are dying, and the major advantage of traditional publishing has always been getting your books onto the shelves of the book stores.

      Just offering my $0.02.

    3. Re:ebook pricing too high by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      And they're overpriced because major publishing houses are still involved and they're trying to use this as a way to offset their losses on hard and soft bound books. Every ebook bought is a hardbound book not bought, which means more inventory on shelves and eventual losses. It's basically throwing a monkey wrench into an already broken, antiquated system. This will be fixed overtime (publishers will have to change their infrastructure or become irrelevant), but it's going to be a bit of an uphill battle.

      Best case scenario, we see a rise in legit independent publishing houses that focus on authors who want to publish only digitally. There will always be the need for editors and pr, but there's really not the need for the absurdly high overhead of major publishing houses. It's really an efficient way to do business.

      --
      Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
    4. Re:ebook pricing too high by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      Barry: This is a critical point. Thereâ(TM)s a huge data set proving that digital books are a price-sensitive market, and that maximum revenues are achieved at a price point between $.99 and $4.99. So the question is: why arenâ(TM)t publishers pricing digital books to maximize digital profits?

      Joe: Because they're protecting their paper sales.

      Barry: Exactly.

      Joe: It's awfully dangerous for an industry to ignore (or even blatantly antagonize) their customers in order to protect self-interest.

      This is one thing that puts me off buying ebooks. At the moment they are overpriced.

      Another problem is that they come with DRM, and running a free operating system I cannot read them and have to resort to other methods to obtain a free copy. I would much rather purchase a reasonably priced ebook with no DRM so that some money goes to the author.

      We are left with the same untenable situation with ebooks as there was with the music industry, that is that you get a better ebook for free which is flexible and can be read on any ereader than you get by purchasing for £12 from an official ebook retailer.

      I'm burning mod points to post this, but this needed to be addressed. What you're saying is true for the large publishing houses, but a little bit of googling will find PLENTY of material to read for reasonable prices. One example turned up in Stanza's FAQ. For those who are not familiar with Stanza, it is a free ebook reader for iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch platforms. I've had it for a while and am very happy with it.

    5. Re:ebook pricing too high by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here. If I buy a book, I want a reader for it on every platform: iPhone, Android, Windows, Linux, etc. You can make it the same proprietary reader if you like. For example, give me iBooks for the PC so when I'm off my commute I can sit at my computer and read the book on a larger screen. As far as pricing...cheaper would be better of course, and it makes some sense as there is no binding costs, etc. But I'm paying for content, not for delivery and there's a cost to hosting, online payment structure, etc. Of course, what you're really paying for is content and editing -- the rest is small potatoes.

    6. Re:ebook pricing too high by Deb-fanboy · · Score: 1

      Yes that is a good comment, and hopefully those smaller publishing houses will illustrate by their success that a fair model of electronic book distribution is the way forward. By fair I mean reasonable price and no DRM.

    7. Re:ebook pricing too high by Geminii · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind moving my library to an ebook which was waterproof, shockproof (dropping off a 20-storey building), could be read forever without needing to be charged, was cheap and ubiquitous enough that no-one would bother trying to steal it in the subway or from the front seat of a car, and whose contents were wholly and solely controlled by me. I've got most of that already (barring the waterproofing), and the only advantages of an ebook for me is that my library would take up a lot less space and I could carry multiple books on long flights without going over the carryon limit (I could even shove it in my pocket and have no carryon at all).

      Honestly, there's no reason that a book should come in any format except text and RLE-image. Maybe an embeddable font. The only software should be a file organiser/selector and a page rendering engine, which itself should be as simple and bug-proof as humanly possible. They certainly shouldn't be able to have their software altered or their contents deleted from anywhere other than the book itself.

    8. Re:ebook pricing too high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all web sites should just be plain html?

      Come on. There's nothing wrong with having a file structure that supports advanced formatting, tables of contents, and the like. If you want to complain about the drm, then that's one thing, but epub and mobi are both far superior to a text file when it comes to designing a useful and legible ebook.

    9. Re:ebook pricing too high by Scaba · · Score: 1

      This is one thing that puts me off buying ebooks. At the moment they are overpriced.

      Are they?

    10. Re:ebook pricing too high by Deb-fanboy · · Score: 1
      Yes they are priced too high. I have gone through the points from the article:

      1) Digital preparation. The cost of changing the digital formating from original format to an ebook format. That is what computers are for it should not be an expensive task.

      2) QA. Yes that is needed. Automatic convertion should manage the conversions. Ebooks are not the same as physical books, the text / diagrams / and footnotes should flow differently for each ebook magnification and for each different type of ebook. Setting the layout and typesetting exactly is for physical books, ebooks should be done automatically. However having someone give the book a once over is needed.

      3)Distribution and updates. These should again be achieved using software and limited human involvement. This again should be automated via software.

      I think the writter Michael Hyatt is so bedded with the process of the physical book that he is applying the same techniques to digital. I like physical books. A well prepared physical book is beautiful, each page layed out optimally on the page, great care taken that any illustrations and notes look good, typeset so that even the shape of the writing is a pleasure.

      However that is not what an ebook is about. The ebook just has the material, formated for the convenience of your device. That an illustration lands on page 75 rather than 63 is of no consequence. So Mr Hyatt is either creating a smokescreen to cover the high cost charged for Digital Books, or there is a more serious problem and he does not understand what an ebook is.

      And if he takes more money than is needed to produce an ebook, then his business will not survive.

  55. Re:Taking our souls by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Shang Tsung, is that you?

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  56. Re:bunch of conditions by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Been there, Agreed to that. You can check my web branding if you like.

    So I shall honorably enter your text into my collection of source materials for web-justice projects.

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  57. Infomercially by guyminuslife · · Score: 0

    I don't know how the actual dialogue went down, but it does sound kind of like they're about to tell you that YOU, yes YOU can self publish for ONLY $19.99 plus tax!

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    I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
  58. Re:Motivation to revise it by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Fair answer, and a perfect lead in to my next theme - the Web desperately needs source materials released by the original authors. Despite your amusing license, if you are willing to do that, it will be an important step in the war against copyright tyranny.

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  59. Comers book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about Comers book, Computer Networks and Internets? It was available in 1996, and 3rd edition was in 2001

  60. Re:First Chapter by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    The first chapter is rarely enough for me to determine if I like something. I much prefer scanning a book at a store because I am good at getting the overall flow of a text by flipping through it. The good stuff in most books starts about chapter 3.

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  61. They're doing it. Try Jamendo. by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    See Jamendo. Almost 300,000 tracks, under Creative Commons licensing, and it's your choice whether to donate.

    1. Re:They're doing it. Try Jamendo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TenPenny Joke

  62. Re:Never heard of him. by Ihmhi · · Score: 2

    Heh, I remember visiting a friend who had a pool... we'd take his Gameboy (The old school ones the size of a VHS tape), wrap it in 2 or 3 zip-lock bags, and take turns playing it underwater. Because frankly, why the hell not?

  63. Impossoble Licensing Agreement by heikkile · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can not read the book. I can not accept the license that requires my moral values to coincide with those of the author. For example, "That your family is first and foremost the most important thing in your life." makes not much sense to me, with no wife, no kids, parents dead, and the rest of the family not interested in much contact, and residing in a different country anyway.

    Although he means well with it, I find such licensing an offensive intrusion in my life. If my employer would put up conditions like "That you will exercise your body as well as your mind" I would certainly tell him to stay out of my private life.

    Some of the points are blatantly impossible. For example, "That you will defend the rights of those who are unable to defend themselves". Note that there is no provision to make this apply only occasionally, only when practical or even possible. Thus, anyone who is not defending the people in Libya, in China, and in Afghanistan, at the same time, is in violation of the license.

    Moral principles are fine, but trying to enforce them as a condition for reading a book is absurd. If that is the price for reading the book, I rather keep my freedom!

    --

    In Murphy We Turst

    1. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously?! Go outside, get some fresh air, and when you're ready, come back to reality.

    2. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 1

      For example, "That you will defend the rights of those who are unable to defend themselves". Note that there is no provision to make this apply only occasionally, only when practical or even possible. Thus, anyone who is not defending the people in Libya, in China, and in Afghanistan, at the same time, is in violation of the license.

      Add to that the defense of the unborn and then you wind up with real controversy. Without that one, you're just making trouble where there isn't any.

    3. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by pacinpm · · Score: 0

      His terms are outright stupid:

      "That every man, woman and child has the right to be here and is equal regardless of race, creed or color."

      Children can't vote! How is that for equality?

    4. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by rwv · · Score: 1

      I never thought I'd see the day where something so overwhelmingly positive could be construed as an attack. The licensing agreement in question isn't some kind of strict legal agreement. Honestly, it reads much more like the Ten Commandments... but in a non-religious way that isn't offensive to people who don't believe in God (which is a fairly impressive accomplishment). That you would be offended by it is astonishing. Though, with the context of the Ten Commandments in mind, what the author is essentially saying is "Use my book however you want and try not to be a dick". Even the Bible, with the whole Jesus part, admits that always being good is pretty impossible (forgiveness for sins and all that). Your objections make me wonder if you're actively defending your rights to always be a dick... which is hopelessly misguided.

      It strikes me that you might also be taking the text of the agreement too literally. Don't do that. The author, I'm sure, is happy to let you read his book in spite of your occasional transgressions.

    5. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by sorak · · Score: 1

      I'm only surprised that the "don't be a gay-basher" clause wasn't the part that somebody had a problem with.

    6. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Wow ... what is up with slashdot today, is there a new Mountain Dew tax or something? Most people here see 5 "I Agree" buttons, 2 "We get your first born" stickers, and 10 "unconscious thought counts as agreement to be my slave" blurbs a day. I figured it was a sardonic, but staying positive, take on that.

      Lighten up, you weren't going to read anyways.

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      Atlas Shrugged : Thematic Story :: Battlefield Earth : Organized Religion
    7. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you could just download it and read it while ignoring the license. i am the linus to your rms

    8. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by blanchae · · Score: 1

      Seeing how you have rejected my licensing agreement, I hereby, under the power invested in me by the almighty Internet, I forbid you from reading the book or even peaking at a page once in a while. On a side note, sorry to hear about your family or lack of ...

    9. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by blanchae · · Score: 1

      Never said anything about equal in "voting", just race, creed and color. Why do you want children to vote? And what to vote for? Are you running for the Presidency of the USA? Unfortunately, I couldn't not vote for you as a Presidential candidate even if I could as I'm not an American... and that is not because I'm not a child. Just in case you were wondering..

    10. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by blanchae · · Score: 1

      "Use my book however you want and try not to be a dick" - well summed up. I guess that most people don't realize that I have little power in actually enforcing the licensing agreement. The Major League Baseball satellite does provide some thought control as long as you are not wearing a tinfoil hat.

    11. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by pacinpm · · Score: 1

      So how you define equality? Equal rights? Children don't have equal rights.

      My point is: children are limited physically and mentally. They are not equal to adults. They are different in almost every way. Demanding equality between children and adults is pure stupidity.

    12. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by blanchae · · Score: 1

      You seem to be quite fixated on children vs. adults not having equal rights. Maybe there's more to that one line then just children=adults....like gender, race, creed and color. Equal is an interpretation and in your case, it seems to mean equal rights. So what does equal rights actually mean? You do know that there is absolutely nothing I can do and nothing that I would want to do to prevent you from reading the online book. I could shoot myself in the foot and take it offline which kind of defeats the purpose of having an online book. Perhaps I just wanted you to reflect on a few points....

    13. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by Jiro · · Score: 1

      There's also the "right to be here" clause. Unless it's supposed to mean that people have a right to be on the Earth (in which case it just says "don't be a serial killer"), I can only interpret it as meaning you are disqualified from reading the book if you oppose illegal immigration.

      And how exactly are you supposed to put your family first, yet treat everyone equally?

      And I can think of plenty of cases where it may be necessary to hurt family members emotionally. Indeed, it could even conflict with other clauses--what if your family is really hurt by your support of gay rights?

      The employer analogy is actually pretty good. If someone told me "you can work here as long as you exercise your body, do not hurt your family emotionally, act honorably, and respect the rights of others", I'd consider such an employer to be a meddling busybody who has no business demanding such things from his employees no matter how well meaning he is, and I'd leave as soon as financially possible. If I didn't get fired first because I told my cousin that she was being duped by a multi-level marketing campaign and it hurt her emotionally.

    14. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by Jiro · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you have little power to enforce it, which leads to the other problem: you won't stop any real dicks from reading the book--you'll just stop the basically good people who respect you enough that when faced with that license they'll stop reading it rather than cheat.

      These are exactly the wrong people to discourage from reading your book.

    15. Re:Impossoble Licensing Agreement by pacinpm · · Score: 0

      I am allergic to political correctness. I also don't think that women and men are completely equal (I think women should have more rights because they give birth and by that risk more). It's just that with children stupidity of this licence is more obvious.

      If not equal rights than... what kind of equality author has in mind?

      PS. I don't care about this book. I won't read it even without any licence at all. I commented strictly about licence.

  64. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortunately, like all EULAs, clicking past it has no legal force of "agreeing" to it.

    [citation needed]

  65. Re:Dean Koontz by rainmouse · · Score: 1

    You might have been whooshed by a troll. Watch out for that spread between "critically acclaimed" and "commercially popular".

    Actually I think this is how most critics are irrelevant and failing in their primary function. They are not relevant to the majority of the market, mostly too busy making themselves seem clever or arty.

  66. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Plus it might prevent some silly bugger from reinventing something similar.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  67. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant licencing agreement!!! Will post it on the wall of my company office!

  68. Re:Never heard of him. by vlm · · Score: 1

    But I'll tell you why I am not inclined towards E-books. I like to read in the tub.

    Luckily for you, according to all the advertising for all the ebooks I've ever seen, ebooks are for thin women to read at the beach while wearing a modest one-piece suit. Not in a tub or whatever. Seriously, check the ads for all the majors, its a mandatory photo for all ebook promotional literature.

    Bathing vs showering might be an interesting /. poll, more interesting than some have been. I have not taken a bath since the 80s. Take regular daily showers, sure, but a bath?

    Especially since I know how the photos would break the internet.

    Can't possibly be worse than goatse.

    --
    "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  69. Big whoop - successful author leverages his name by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    While one applauds Mr. Eisler's decision to disintermediate his publisher (thus contributing to joblessness for his own gain), one cannot help but notice that his sales problem will be one of distribution; i.e., like him or not, he has his audience and, once they realize they can e-borrow his books from the library, he will retain his volume. For those authors new to the marketplace, this option is a problem - how does one get their book publicized, reviewed and on to the big sites like Barnes & Noble and Amazon?

  70. Re:Never heard of him. by Fallingwater · · Score: 2

    But I'll tell you why I am not inclined towards E-books. I like to read in the tub.

    Put the reader in a ziploc bag and use your preferred method for sealing it. Won't be completely waterproof unless you seal the bag with an electric bag sealer (and then you have to rip it open to get the reader back; on the other hand, sealing it with air inside will make sure it floats), but it'll stand casual splashing and probably even short immersion, at least for the time necessary for you to go "OH FUCK" and fish it out. :P

  71. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    MLB? So you ARE in league (NPI) with them!

    *hides under desk*

  72. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by rwv · · Score: 1

    How do I as a user decide whether to download such books?

    I think you asked a wonderful question. Right now, I believe the best answer is to go here but that answer is not very useful.

    Another answer is to go here but that isn't terribly useful either.

    Another resource is here.

    I agree with you, though. Being able to answer the question "How to I find talented, yet undiscovered authors so I can read their work?" is a question that begs to be answered.

  73. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    I use to have a pdf of the book but the BW charges from people downloading started to cost me money every monthjust to give it away

    Maybe LaTeX? gzip it and it'll be smaller than the HTML and anyone who would be able to grok what's in there would be able to generate his own pdf. *Puss-in-Boots eyes*

  74. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by anUnhandledException · · Score: 2

    Yup. Perfect legitimate use of bittorrent.

    Hell I would keep it seeded in perpetuity.

  75. Re:First Chapter by anUnhandledException · · Score: 1

    Then take a risk.

    I read first chapter and look at amazon reviews. 90% of the time if it is a bad book I know it in the first chapter. Hell sometimes I know it in the first dozen pages. If not then put your money where your mouth is and take a risk. Most new authors have books for $0.99 to $2.99. Hardly a significant investment. If 3/4ths of them don't pan out well who cares. The 1/4th is what I am interested in. Have a couple authors I wish they would release a new book because I would gladly buy it (and pay twice as much).

  76. How about $2.99? by rcharbon · · Score: 1
  77. Re:Never heard of him. by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 1

    Oh, how I wish I had a mod point right now... :P

  78. Re:Never heard of him. by dlingman · · Score: 1

    Read in the tub? What's wrong with using an e-reader to do that? you need one of these: http://www.loksak.com/ They come in different sizes, from iphone up to ipad/kindle. Great for the beach too - for keeping sand out of stuff.

  79. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Damnshock · · Score: 1

    [OFFTOPIC]

    Is there by any change a pdf/ebook version of your book?

    Anyway: thanks for sharing your knowledge

  80. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by sorak · · Score: 1

    Thanks for releasing the book.

    I am hoping to see the day when the $150 books are replaced by hyperlinks to the ePub or PDF, and students just buy an eBook reader to view them. The only problem is that I understand that most writers do not want to give their work away for free. I wonder if there might be enough money to be made by producing a kindle/nook version of a high quality textbook, and selling it in their markets for a fraction of what college textbooks usually cost.

  81. Re:Never heard of him. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    You can get proper ziplock bags that are truly waterproof, but the typical cheapo sandwich baggies won't do the job if immersed. The truly waterproof types have a really thick seal that runs the full length of the bag, and doesn't taper off leaving a hole at the edges like the cheapo bags.

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  82. michael lewis and the big short, i.e. non fiction by decora · · Score: 1

    michael lewis just got sued by Wing Chau for 'the big short'.

    his publisher is helping him out with this.

    most of this discussion on /. seems to be about non-fiction, vampires, zombies, whatever.

    the world of non-fiction journalism is a world apart.

  83. eBooks are a good deal for authors by pubwvj · · Score: 0

    Speaking as an author I would much rather publish an eBook myself.
    Speaking as a publisher I would much rather publish eBooks.
    Speaking as a reader I am waiting for the dust to settle on the issues of format, compatibility, rights, etc.

    The cost of publishing paper books is horrendous. eBooks are a far better solution from the publisher's point of view even with paying Apple 30% because the cost of printing and distribution is about 90% for paper books. With paper books we only got about 50% of the cover price from the distributor. They then marked it up 5% and sold it to the retailer who marked it up further to sell to the public. Meanwhile, the author only got about 2% in most cases. Often the author got almost nothing and on many books the publisher loses since the book never sells enough to cover its initial run costs. It is the few big sellers that make up for this. All of this is why I setup my own publishing company. Vertical integration is the way to go. eBooks give us further ability to save resources, cut costs and vertically integrate. It is also easier to release revised and updated versions.

  84. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Try pointing out she's sexist, which is how I look at the whole gay marriage' thing. I don't care one whit about 'sexual orientation'. The only relevant fact is that in many places men can marry women, and women can't marry women. Females are excluded from marrying women because of their gender. Seems obviously sexist to me. It has nothing to do with any sort of 'orientation', protected right or otherwise, at all...it's straight-up sexual discrimination.

    She'll try to pull 'They can each marry the opposite gender' crap...yeah, just like white and black people can each use their own different water fountain. Or men and women can go to their own different colleges. 'Separate but equal' is not acceptable, the fact that each gender has their own entirely separate set of people they can marry is not the same thing as non-discrimination.

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  85. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Jiro · · Score: 2

    Because we all love it when we are prohibited from copying a book because we don't like illegal immigration.

    Not to mention that copyright violation is something handled in a court. When you say that I can copy it if I try to be a better person (etc.), what you are really saying is that if I am in a court accused of copyright violation, and I prove to the judge and jury that I have tried to be a better person (etc.) I am free. Can you see why I might not want to have to prove such a thing in a court, under penalty of paying $100000 if the jury thinks I am not a good person? Because that's what you're requiring, whether you're aware of it or not.

    There's also the problem that this license only affects people with a conscience. Someone who is really evil is going to copy the book, but someone who is basically good but can't meet your requirement will feel themselves restricted. You are stopping exactly the people you don't want to stop.

    I am aware that this is not an open source license anyway, but there's a reason that open source licenses have "no discrimination against fields of endeavor" in them.

  86. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    You do that by going to a business, at which point they will look over it, decide if it's worth it, edit it, print it, get stores to put it on the shelves, and take a cut of your profits.

    I believe these businesses are called 'book publishers'.

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  87. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    :-) My point was that a known, popular author disintermediating a publisher is a non-event. Someone like the blogger in Minneapolis who segued that into being a popular chick-lit e-book author (six-figure sales) - she gets props.

  88. Re:Never heard of him. by metlin · · Score: 1

    Well, I like to take notes when I read books, and mark pages of interest. Quite difficult to do with eBooks -- they are not necessarily made for annotation.

  89. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by ian_from_brisbane · · Score: 1

    She'll try to pull 'They can each marry the opposite gender' crap...yeah, just like white and black people can each use their own different water fountain. Or men and women can go to their own different colleges.

    Or men and women can go to their own different toilets, bath houses and locker rooms... 'Seperate but equal' does have it's place sometimes.

  90. Re:Impossible Licensing Agreement by blanchae · · Score: 1

    "Defending" is a pretty loose term and how you interpret it is really up to you. If you want, you can hop the next plane and join the fighting or you can defend it by other means of support whether verbal or not. The Pro-life vs. Pro-choice debate is a very tough one and I agree on the controversy.

  91. Re:Never heard of him. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    But e-book readers are even better than paper books for reading in the tub.

    I found that my kindle fits perfectly into a quart sized freezer baggy (which are a bit thicker than sandwich baggies), and I can still operate all of the controls. Perfect for reading in the tub, and unlike a paper book, there's no worries about the book getting soggy if you dip it into the water - you can dunk the entire baggy protected Kindle into the water and pick it up and continue reading.

    The baggy also works well when you want to take it to the beach and protect it from sand... or when you're eating doritos and don't want it to get all cheesy.

    And since I already had these baggies in the kitchen, total cost for this protection was a few cents.

    Those freezer bags with the plastic zip/seal thing on? I wouldn't trust them to keep my cock dry in the Sahara.

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  92. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1
    The only thing missing from that licensing agreement is a slap in the face!

    (just kidding. That's a joke, a reference to the oath scene in Kingdom of Heaven). I actually respect and like your licensing agreement a lot!.

    Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; that is your oath. [Slaps Balian] And that is so you remember it. Rise a knight, and Baron of Ibelin.

  93. Reminds me of the Careware Licence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of the Careware license Paul Lutus put on Arachnophilia, the first HTML editor I ever used:

    "To own Arachnophilia, I ask that you stop whining about how hard your life is, at least for a while. When Americans whine, nearly everybody else in the world laughs. We have so much, and yet we manage to:

            * Overlook great examples of beauty around us,
            * Miss our most important opportunities,
            * Manage to make ourselves miserable by expecting something even better to come along.

    Every time we whine about how tough we have it, apart from the fact that we look ridiculous, we make it harder for people around us to appreciate how much we have. We encourage people to overlook the things we do have, the gifts of man and nature. We provide a context to dismiss everything as not good enough, to be miserable in the midst of plenty.

    Don't get the wrong impression — many things are unjust, things that should be struggled against until they are made right. This page is for people who can't find even one thing to take joy in, to appreciate. These people not only make themselves miserable, but they infect others with the attitude that the world should right itself, by itself, before they will take simple pleasure in anything.

    So here is my deal: stop whining for an hour, a day, a week, your choice, and you will have earned your copy of Arachnophilia. Say encouraging words to young people, make them feel welcome on the planet Earth (many do not). Show by example that we don't need all we have in order to be happy and productive.

    1. Re:Reminds me of the Careware Licence by Jiro · · Score: 2

      Again: saying "you have a license to use this if you stop whining about your life", what this really means is "if you are sued in court, you may be forced to pay huge amounts of damages if you cannot prove to a judge and jury that you have stopped whining about your life". This is an utterly stupid thing to want decided by a judge and jury, but by putting it in the license, that's exactly what you're saying.

      It's also seriously intrusive. Do we really want to have to pass a stream of personality tests in order to use our computers?

  94. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Demonantis · · Score: 1

    This book is available online in the hope it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

    A legitimate question for someone that know more then me; Does that statement actually have any force to it? I am curious as a lot of rights we have are hard to forgo. I mean this would be one nice instance if it was possible and the fact the customer is not charged would be a large factor to it. I consistently have heard releasing something to the public domain is a bad idea, but it would drop all pretext for liability. Or am I wrong?

  95. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I keep thinking eventually we'll get online communities which serve as a source of reviews and recommendations. Obviously Amazon can provide some of that now, but it could certainly be a lot better if there was a web site really focused on breaking down books by lots of different categories (not just genre and overall ratings, but specifics that might include quality of editing, accuracy of contents, marks for humor, and I don't know what else) along with really useful recommendations to help readers discover new authors.

    In an expanded view of this community authors might also be able to coordinate with fans and provide sneak previews in exchange for free proofreading (I don't really want to say editing, because that probably requires a more professional touch, but you can catch a lot of typos with a just a handful of capable readers).

    Something like this may already exist out there, but I don't know of it. As much as I talk about it, I should probably put my money where my mouth is and just build the site already, but I've got my hands full with other projects. It's something I'd like to see, though.

  96. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Garwulf · · Score: 1

    Wow - that reminds me of what got me starting my own publishing company. A book that my collaborator and I had worked for some time on ended up in contract negotiation hell. The contract added the publisher's personal name to the copyright in the first clause, and went downhill from there. Finally, I was hungering to get my own company started anyway, so I decided to publish the book myself, and Legacy Books Press was born.

    The good news is that all publishers are not like that. But, unfortunately, some are. Sometimes, knowing when to say "no" to a bad contract is half the battle.

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    Robert B. Marks
    Author, Demonsbane in Diablo Archive
  97. Just like music by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    The old music industry business model is dead, and the sooner the big cos get it, the quicker they will find the next big way to generate all their money. Now we are seeing the same with the book industry, all about warehousing costs, and printing costs, well what costs are there really when you hold a copy of the ebook on a server somewhere for download....you have less costs to maintain, less personnel to fill orders, less electricity during winter to keep them warm, the list is endless....I still don't get how the book industry has not woken up to this fact yet, I thought being booksmart, they would have caught on quicker then lets say artists?

  98. Re:Never heard of him. by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Those freezer bags with the plastic zip/seal thing on? I wouldn't trust them to keep my cock dry in the Sahara.

    Well unless you cut your cock off and put it entirely inside the bag, of course it's not going to seal.

    I always wondered why Glad came out with the Yellow and Blue Make Green Seal, but now I see why -- there are people out there that are unable to make a good seal with traditional non-color coded baggies.

    I've taken my kindle into the pool in a baggie (blow a small amount of air inside before sealing to ensure it floats) and haven't had any problems, if you're really worried, use a custom made waterproof case.

  99. Re:Never heard of him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which is strange, because it shouldn't be that hard, it should even be EASIER!

  100. Publishers Do Provide a Service, But They Take 52% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Editing is largely done by your agent or someone they or the author finds, particularly for new writers. Editing is easily outsourced.

    Reading mounds of submissions to find winners? Yep, that's also mostly done by agents these days.

    Marketing? If they feel the book has great potential to be a HUGE hit, then yes. Regardless, they'll do a cover and all the jacket copy, though it might not be much better than you could do yourself. As for the rest, it'll mostly just be what the author puts into it themselves, and you can easily hire all the same people your publisher does. Only if your publisher really wants to invest in making your book a best seller will they do more than you can do yourself.

    Pricing your ebook? They'll choose a price that's so high it torpedoes your sales, forestalling the end of their business model while increasing piracy.

    New authors? It's not any easier for a new author to get readers for a $20 hardcover than a $3 ebook, and what you're getting from publishers will affect your print sales a lot more than your ebook sales. Again, this is an area where you can do super well working with a big publisher, but only if you're one of the few who is magically lifted out of the midlist with your first or second book.

    Publishers are EXACTLY like record companies. They are dinosaurs clinging to an outdated business model, known for taking way more than their fair share. They're great for the very few big hits, which they dump vast amounts of money into promoting, and they basically suck for everyone else.

    Here's what publishers are ACTUALLY good for-- they make loans to authors which usually don't have to be paid back if the book fails. They make their decisions based on how salable they think the book is, based on extensive experience and industry knowledge. They have connections with the right people to get your book noticed, and they have the money and the network to get you store displays if they think it'd be money and effort well-spent. They provide a financial service, first and foremost.

    At the end of the article, they talk about agencies becoming book marketing houses over time. Where I see publishing going is towards a venture capital model-- because books do in fact need investors and the connections they bring. This means better terms for the authors. Because 17.5% of ebook sales SUCKS.

  101. Re:Never heard of him. by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 1

    Very strange, because I press the "Menu" button on my Kindle and I can see both "Add a bookmark" and "Add a note or highlight". And once I've done that I can list (and jump immediately to) bookmarks, notes and highlights for either my current book, or across the entire device. The bookmark even adds a little folded-page graphic to the top corner of the screen.

  102. Re:Never heard of him. by metlin · · Score: 1

    Weird, because the Kindle app on iPad and it does not have that feature (and I just checked, to make sure).

    The Apple iPad Reader seems to have it, but it doesn't always work with all eBooks.

  103. Re:Never heard of him. by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 1

    Press the bookmarky icon in the top right to add a bookmark.

    Tap and hold to select text to add a note or highlight. And if it's an Amazon-bought ebook then your note/highlight/bookmark will be shared across all your Kindle apps/devices

  104. Re:Never heard of him. by IAmGarethAdams · · Score: 1

    The only thing I can't see on the iPad is the ability to list bookmarks/nites device-wide. You have to go into a book and tap the Jump To (book-shaped) icon to see your marks in that book

  105. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by SpectreHiro · · Score: 1

    I think it's always been a challenge deciding which books to purchase; everybody's taste differs, and what I love reading may not mesh with your own preferences. Even with print, your average bookstore stocks tens of thousands of titles with new ones coming in everyday, and the staff is at best familiar with a very small percentage of them. That's why the bulk of customers find a section that interests them and start looking at covers, reading backs and sampling pages. The purchase was always a leap of faith.

    I think it's interesting that with digital stores, we're actually beginning to have a lot more information to base purchases on. Besides samples (which on Amazon are 15% of the book, I believe), you now also have access to user reviews in the same page, lists of other books bought by this book's customers, and links back to the author's other works. That's a pretty reasonable amount of info to work with, I think.

    I still think there's a discoverability problem right now, especially for new and unknown writers like myself, but I expect that further marketplace innovations will eventually offer some remedy for that. For instance, Amazon's bookstore currently does a lot to reinforce the popularity of a work by making it more visible, but it doesn't have any mechanisms to promote new and undiscovered works. Something as simple as a Fresh Reading box, showcasing books that have very low downloads and few reviews, would help to start leveling out the field.

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  106. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by SpectreHiro · · Score: 1

    I've daydreamed up some similar website concepts, but just haven't had the motivation to make it happen. There's already Goodreads.com, but I find it a little disorganized for my taste, and I've also had Shelfari.com suggested to me, but haven't checked it out yet.

    The part that seems really important to me, which none of these sites seem to get, is browsing. It should be easy and convenient for a reader to burrow down into a specific genre or style of book, and start leafing through titles and short summaries. Instead, they give me ungainly lists based on broad distinctions, or user generated my favorite whatever lists, and I can't be bothered to sort through either.

    Ultimately, the right sort of site will pop up, but I think it'll have to be the authors themselves who start it because they're the ones with something at stake. The ebook market is turning them all into entrepreneurs, and their business depends entirely on being able to find and connect with an audience. Once they realize that no one else will do it for them, and that nobody else has their well-being in mind, they'll find a way to band together and make it happen. I think.

    Well... I can dream, right?

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  107. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wasn't. Seems more a list from someone who's lived a privileged life lacking any severe emotion or physical pain caused by others. There is no mention of reciprocity. Hell, the last one is just damn straight dangerous in a legal situation where you are defending yourself. You admit your wrongs to the police and make amends, you're admitting your faults and the others claims and that WILL be used against you one-sidedly with severe prejudice; they aren't there to do you favors or to do right.

    Further, for example, I used to live by #5 as well as the related #3 and 2nd to last. I'm a bloody mess in that respect because of it, and my family life isn't as bad as I know others have it FAR worse than me. When you have an abusive family member, and another or two sitting by, it's hard to live by those rules when even later, you have greater physically power than them, and they remind you of what they did to you to your face or treat you in a manner knowingly with the same intent. Some people just want to fuck you up, and that includes family members, no matter how good you are. You never figure out why you are despised and hated, and while you're own nature is not to quit and to turn the other cheek repeatedly, it takes a lot to not fight back.

    When someone calls you worthless repeatedly, when you earned straight As, insulted harshly when not (once the highest grade given out was a B+, and I was the lone person earning that, try to explain that), work multiple jobs during high school, they steal money your co-signed bank account (after all, you are a minor) raiding and ultimately draining it ($37k), when you work hours every week to help out the family business side of things without pay, they hog tie you and throw you into the backyard in broad daylight where you pray the neighbors don't see--because you don't stand "straight," and call you lazy then and even when you are in the tops of your class, eventually go to a top 12 university, and later get into one of the hardest degree programs in the nation, and you still go out of your way to help them and be there, only to be insulted again and again, at some point, most people, will make a, well, what he calls a "mistake."

    And yeah, I have the criminal record to show for it. Called in by other immediate family members who watched them abuse me for my entire life. Always fun watching the police laugh at you when they write you up and the family smiling. Gift that gives giving too, esp. when they pull your record up during a simple traffic stop and they decide to give you a worse ticket or offense too.

    So you can walk away. Get away. Or give up. I've tried them all. Thus violating the list.

    Lists are nice. This one is just ignorant. The world is not some utopia. There are worthless people that are mean, abusive, with clean criminal records, who have called huge strife, ill will, sickness, and greed and even death. There are people who do nothing or do good with criminal records which society rejects.

    This is one book I won't be reading.

  108. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the big name can always do what they want, and isn't really that impressive. The impressive stuff is people getting a fanbase before ever dealing with a publisher.

    'Famous people who choose to stop dealing with publishers' is sorta an idiotic slashdot topic. Wake me up when it's 'people who became famous enough outside of traditional publishing that they were able to self-publish from the start'.

    I think there are some fanfic writers who managed to do that, actually. But I can't think of them off the bat.

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  109. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pity you don't use google ads anymore. I wanted to click on them.

  110. Re:Never heard of him. by metlin · · Score: 1

    Ahhh! Interesting -- thank you. When I'd tried that in the past, the zoom icon always popped up, so I'd assumed that that was the extent of the functionality. I suppose this underscores the need for good usability!

  111. Re:Never heard of him. by metlin · · Score: 1

    Well, what really sucks is the inability in the Kindle to copy text -- arguably, so far I only have one paid book on the Kindle and several of the free classics on the iPad iBook reader. So, it is quite possible that this is not a feature for *any* paid book -- but it's a meaningless shortcoming, in my opinion.

  112. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    Check out Amanda Hocking - she is to whom I was referring earlier.

  113. Re:Reviews by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Fair reply, but perhaps it doesn't work the same way across all categories. You would be right for fiction novels. However for nonfiction texts, I buy according to what I am or one day want to research. Unless the review is a warning against a badly produced book, reviews for nonfiction are actually irrelevant.

    Easy example. I have a strong interest in Buddhism. Seung Sahn in Compass of Zen worked out or re-transmitted an innovation that solves a key problem with many old classical koans. "...Everything is truth, so everything is Buddha. Everything is God, or nature, or mind, or truth. This kind of answer shows metaphysical-style function. However, we encounter many kinds of situations every day that require us to respond more meticulously and clearly. They require some action that works more completely than a mere reflection or explanation of truth. Most situations in our life demand a complete function, some complete action."

    This appears on page 232. In a bookstore, a practiced researcher can survey the entire shelf of offerings over a few days, knowing the approximate kinds of answers contained in the 100,000 pages of texts. There is simply no way to determine that a passage like this exists in a text by "heuristic methods" alone.

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  114. Re:Struggling to sell on Amazon by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Hi there.

    Your thoughful reply still leaves aspects of the problem to be thrashed out. If a Big Box bookstore has some 400 tomes per topic section, "there they are". However if I were to try to look at a big list on Amazon, somehow I find myself getting lost in clicks. Something like click on a title, click on preview, click on chapter 1, make a new browser tab to open Wikipedia to cross check something about the book, and more. This is especially bad for when I am researching nonfiction topics. Nothing beats just opening the tome to see how a Buddhist author handled the notoriously difficult passage in chapter nine where the Pali source was damaged. I haven't yet been able to answer those kinds of queries online yet. If it were all in a Google Scan of some kind maybe - but not with "first chapter and reviews".

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  115. Re:new and unknown writers like myself by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    (Snarkiness On!)

    "new and unknown writers like myself".

    You are hereby ordered to send me anything that doesn't offend your copyright stance so that you can cease being unknown, starting with an audience of one. Now! Author, transform and roll out!

    (Snarkiness Off)

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  116. Kindle works on all platforms by locketine · · Score: 1

    The Kindle reading application officially runs on MacOSX, WIndows, Android and iOS but it also works fine on linux running in Wine. I've got it installed right now in Ubuntu 10.10. And yes, it automatically syncs your reading across all OS's/devices. The only downside is that it doesn't support Adobe's DRM which is what Overdrive uses. If you haven't heard of Overdrive, it's what most public libraries use for serving eBooks.

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  117. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by randyleepublic · · Score: 0

    Religious beliefs? Meh. OK, sure, just as soon as I see a religious person respecting other religious beliefs. Ha-ha.

    Oh yeah, and what about the children. They don't have any stinking religious beliefs. But do they get any respect? Hell, no. "Come on Timmy, it's time for Sunday School."

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  118. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by luk3Z · · Score: 0

    Good job men! Any chance for pdf version ?

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  119. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by ehlo · · Score: 1

    You, sir, have the finest licensing agreement that I have ever seen in the introduction of your book. I was genuinely moved.

    I enjoyed that too!

    However I am in law school and that is a pretty air-tight agreement.

    "You are allowed to use it, view it, modify it without permission of the author Eugene Blanchard, provided that you agree to the following"

    So let's say you wanted to do the most basic thing with this book, all you wanted to do was read it. That would come under "use" in the above.
    So if you want to read this book without the authors permission you would have to fulfill all of the following conditions:

                    * That you will try to be a better person today than yesterday.
                    * That you will exercise your body as well as your mind.
                    * That you will tell the persons dear to you that you love them.
                    * That you will defend the rights of those who are unable to defend themselves.
                    * That you will not hurt your family members emotionally or physically.
                    * That you will respect your elders and care for them in time of need.
                    * That you will respect the rights of others in their religious beliefs.
                    * That you will respect the rights of others in their sexual orientation.
                    * That every man, woman and child has the right to be here and is equal regardless of race, creed or color.
                    * That you will act honorably in all aspects of your personal and business life.
                    * That your family is first and foremost the most important thing in your life.
                    * That when you make a mistake, that you admit it and make amends.

    Perhaps the agreement should have been worded differently. That one should try to aspire to these goals rather than that they are pre-requisites for use :P
    Even a saint couldn't do all of these things and if Mr. Blanchard wanted to sue, any two-bit lawyer could prove that the defendant fell short of at least one of these clauses.

    On another note, I doubt it will come to that and having to read boring contracts all day long, I enjoyed this one :) Thanks.

  120. Re:First Chapter by sh00z · · Score: 1

    The first chapter is rarely enough for me to determine if I like something.

    Well, it's usually enough for me to determine if I don't like something, and save me some money (I'm talkin' to you, Dan Brown).

  121. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by SkipStein · · Score: 1

    I just took a peek at Introduction to Data Communications. Nicely done; I plan to fully read it later as it fills in some gaps in my knowledge base! eBooks are drastically over priced as you say and do not seem to benefit the author at all. It is a crime that the price is almost the same (sometimes higher) than hard copy; amazing greed on part of the publishers! I would be willing to pay up to 1/2 of hard cover, but no more; might as well add to my library shelves. There is little incentive to read eBooks other than the novelty. They are often a bit cumbersome, hard to 'underline and annotate' and difficult to manage. Too many conflicting 'types' between too many formats. If not for Open Source like Calibre, it would be hopeless and still borders on such in any case. I applaud you sir! Cheers, Skip Stein Management Systems Consulting, Inc.

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  122. Re:Publisher's attitude is for you to bend over... by jarlsberg71 · · Score: 1

    Wait, are you a sibling of mine?

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  123. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it would be nice to read an examination of her methods and fanbase over the years. Wikipedia is not very helpful, although it appears she wrote 17 books before deciding to self-publish them. So basically, she just kept getting turned down, and finally said 'To hell with this, I'll sell the things myself'.

    Also, ugh, supernatural romance. Well, I guess someone has to write them if people want to read them. Don't expect me to read them. :)

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  124. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    Yeah, tough to believe the guy responsible for 'Buffy' was also responsible for 'Firefly'.

  125. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    Buffy was not a supernatural romance. Buffy was a horror comedy action show, with actually dangerous supernatural creatures.

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  126. Re:Big whoop - successful author leverages his nam by Ora*DBA · · Score: 1

    Ah, I speculate that you've never been divorced. horror-comedy-action describes it handily.