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RIAA Lobbyist Becomes Federal Judge, Rules On File-Sharing Cases

suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from Ars Technica: "Last week, Washington, DC federal judge Beryl Howell ruled on three mass file-sharing lawsuits. Judges in Texas, West Virginia, and Illinois had all ruled recently that such lawsuits were defective in various ways, but Howell gave her cases the green light; attorneys could use the federal courts to sue thousands of people at once and then issue mass subpoenas to Internet providers. Beryl Howell isn't the only judge to believe this, but her important ruling is especially interesting because of Howell's previous work: lobbying for the recording industry during the time period when the RIAA was engaged in its own campaign of mass lawsuits against individuals. The news, first reported in a piece at TorrentFreak, nicely illustrates the revolving door between government and industry."

333 comments

  1. Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    maybe the RIAA has forgotten to take her off the payroll.

    1. Re:Payroll by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isnt this a conflict of interest and grounds for appeal?

      WTF?

    2. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes but that would require lawyers that cost much more then there "Settlement offers"

    3. Re:Payroll by taktoa · · Score: 1
    4. Re:Payroll by Khyber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is 100% a conflict of interest, and the judge should automatically be recused from ALL file-sharing lawsuits as a result.

      All rulings made should be immediately and retroactively reversed.

      Then the judge herself needs to pay a HEAVY fine for such inexcusable behavior. The kind of fine that will BREAK HER POCKETBOOK and give incentive for other judges to behave.

      It is time our judicial system got a dose of accountability.

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    5. Re:Payroll by Mistah+Blue · · Score: 2

      Impeachment would be my suggestion.

    6. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It sure is, just look at all the copyright legislation she has helped write.

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/riaa-lobbyist-becomes-federal-judge-rules-on-file-sharing-cases.ars

      "She then moved to the Senate, where she served as general counsel for the Senate Judiciary Committee under Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who has close ties to the copyright industries (Leahy is one of the big backers of the COICA Web censorship law that he guarantees will be passed later this year.)

      There, Howell helped to write CALEA (the law extending wiretap powers to the Internet) along with the No Electronic Theft Act (providing tougher penalties for online copyright crimes), the DMCA (making it illegal to break or bypass DRM, even if you want to rip a movie from a DVD you own to your iPod), and the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Deterrence Act.

      She then moved into private life at Stroz Friedberg, where she began lobbying for the RIAA, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Between 2004-2009, Howell was the only listed lobbyist at the firm; the RIAA was her exclusive lobbying client for most of that time. A lobbyist disclosure form describes her as working on "legislation concerning copyright laws as applied to digital music"—which she would be well-placed to do, having previously helped to write such laws."

      She was also paid quite well by the RIAA up until 2009.

      http://static.arstechnica.com/03-28-2011/friedberg_lobbying-1.png

    7. Re:Payroll by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is 100% a conflict of interest, and the judge should automatically be recused from ALL file-sharing lawsuits as a result.

      All rulings made should be immediately and retroactively reversed.

      Then the judge herself needs to pay a HEAVY fine for such inexcusable behavior. The kind of fine that will BREAK HER POCKETBOOK and give incentive for other judges to behave.

      It is time our judicial system got a dose of accountability.

      But who would hold a judge accountable? Another judge? Surely you jest. There's a reason the second amendment is a part of the united States Constitution...

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    8. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt this a conflict of interest and grounds for appeal?
        WTF?

      It would be instantly in Australia or the UK. I don't know how US federal law works.

      If I was a defense counsellor, I would definitely pursue that as my first line of attack if I copped her as the presiding judge in such a case.

    9. Re:Payroll by Nyder · · Score: 2

      It is 100% a conflict of interest, and the judge should automatically be recused from ALL file-sharing lawsuits as a result.

      All rulings made should be immediately and retroactively reversed.

      Then the judge herself needs to pay a HEAVY fine for such inexcusable behavior. The kind of fine that will BREAK HER POCKETBOOK and give incentive for other judges to behave.

      It is time our judicial system got a dose of accountability.

      Can't we, the tax payers, do something about this? Class action lawsuit? Sue the government? Protest in the streets?

      I'm tired of hearing of crap like this, but no solution on how to fix it.

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    10. Re:Payroll by bigd1978 · · Score: 1

      that is why consumers need to vote with their pockets by not supporting these fat cats. while we consume they boom and will always have the right of the law on their side to enforce the paradigm that is current digital distribution and all it's associated mediums. CC and crowd sourcing can replace this antiquated model by consumer education so they may connect with artists directly. like these folks: www.deadside.tv www.thetunnelmovie.net www.ironsky.net especially the deadside folk who are nor signing with studios like the other two - but they are still good examples of connecting directly with fans - cutting out the fat-cat middle men who do nothing to help quality content creation. Whether it be music, film or tex.

    11. Re:Payroll by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2

      Next up, Republicans will disqualify any former medical malpractice plaintiff's attorneys from hearing a civil suit for a hospital. After all, they're likely biased against the hospital.

      Then Democats will disqualify all former corporate counsel from hearing civil suits involving corporations. After all, they're likely biased towards the corporation.

      Then Republicans will disqualify former union lawyers from hearing suits against employers. Biased towards workers.

      Then Democrats will disqualify any former prosecutor from hearing criminal cases. Biased against defendants.

      Then Republicans will disqualify environmental lawyers from hearing environmental cases. Obviously biased.

      Pretty soon no judge that has ever worked on anything will be qualified to hear any case at all and we'll have to hire judges straight out of law school.

    12. Re:Payroll by Meski · · Score: 1

      No, I don't think they 'forgot' at all.

    13. Re:Payroll by dsanfte · · Score: 2

      There's no single enemy. It's not like Egypt or Libya where the regime is mostly at fault, it's all of us. We vote these fucktards in because they promise us wealth. It's like playing the lottery, and we keep doing it, because we believe someday we'll be rich too. Except it doesn't happen.

      The shared delusion, the American dream.

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    14. Re:Payroll by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Surely you jest. There's a reason the second amendment is a part of the united States Constitution..."

      We are well past hope of peaceful change, but still far too comfortable for the masses to act.

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    15. Re:Payroll by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We are well past hope of peaceful change, but still far too comfortable for the masses to act.

      Indeed - western tyranny's sweet spot.

    16. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like, being disbarred?

    17. Re:Payroll by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      But isn't there a law in US against that sort of thing ? Please enlight a puzzled foreigner...

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    18. Re:Payroll by TheWizardTim · · Score: 3, Informative

      We don't need to make threats of violence, we have Article 3 Section 1:

      "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behavior, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office."

      This is not good Behavior, and thus is grounds for impeachment.

    19. Re:Payroll by shentino · · Score: 1

      Impeachment from the same congress critters that are feeding from the same corporate trough the judge herself is?

      Yeah, like that'll work.

    20. Re:Payroll by shentino · · Score: 2

      Which wouldn't really be all that bad of an idea.

      We could have judges on the bench before corporate influences have an opportunity to corrupt them.

      More importantly, they won't have any corporate payrolls on their history to contaminate their objectivity.

      Let this slippery slope roll, because it lands at an oasis.

    21. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed a point too - than should be used instead of then in the post you picked on.

    22. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Providing legal counsel to someone and lobbying for a specific legal position for someone are two very different things. I think it's fallacious to suggest otherwise, in that you are making hasty generalizations and assumptions. Even in your examples, if the cases are closely related in the specifics, there is possible valid reason for individuals to recuse themselves.

    23. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pretty soon no judge that has ever worked on anything will be qualified to hear any case at all and we'll have to hire judges straight out of law school."

      How it should be actually....

    24. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty soon no judge that has ever worked on anything will be qualified to hear any case at all and we'll have to hire judges straight out of law school.

      If it gives us unbiased judges, why not?
      Or are you one of those that believes wisdom is only held by senile old men (and women) in their 90s with an unhealthy dose of C.R.S?

    25. Re:Payroll by Dark_Lord_Prime · · Score: 2

      But who would hold a judge accountable? Another judge? Surely you jest. There's a reason the second amendment is a part of the united States Constitution...

      "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

      Yep. To allow the people to form a militia to defend the state(s) in times of war/unrest.

      What has that to do with the topic at hand?

    26. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government issues threats to the sheeple 24/7/365.

      Our verbal reminder should be equally clear:

      When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. ...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ...whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

    27. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh fuck off, this bitch is explicitly helping out her old buddies and furthering her own agenda, this is not a case of someone simply having knowledge of a field. Asshat.

    28. Re:Payroll by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Isnt this a conflict of interest and grounds for appeal?

      No. Of course not. Frequently, the judge in question gets to determine if there is a conflict of interest; including determination if they qualify for an appeal.

    29. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and this is another reason why the USA is currently in a downward spiral.

    30. Re:Payroll by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      The law in the US really only applies to the peons these days. Act for a corp with the right government dick in its hand, or the government itself, and you're pretty much home free.

    31. Re:Payroll by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

      Yep. To allow the people to form a militia to defend the state(s) in times of war/unrest.

      What has that to do with the topic at hand?

      The second amendment is not just about defending the states. Here

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    32. Re:Payroll by the_hellspawn · · Score: 1

      "united States Constitution" did you not get the memo? Nancy Pelosi, when she was speaker, wiped her ass on it and flushed it down the toilet. There is no more Constitution in this country. We just have a banana republic now. Constitution what nerve!

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      "The laws of science be a harsh mistress." --Bender
    33. Re:Payroll by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I didn't even watch the video and yet I'm pretty sure that is not at all a legal justification for murdering a federal judge who has sat on cases in which she has a conflict of interest.

    34. Re:Payroll by Pranadevil2k · · Score: 1

      Can we fine her up to $15,000 for each case of infringement?

    35. Re:Payroll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was also paid quite well by the RIAA up until 2009.

      Since then, she has not disclosed that the RIAA is paying her.

    36. Re:Payroll by Dark_Lord_Prime · · Score: 1

      The second amendment is not just about defending the states. Here

      Except that it is. What I quoted is the entirety of the text of the second amendment, and it's pretty unambiguous.

    37. Re:Payroll by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      Except that it is. What I quoted is the entirety of the text of the second amendment, and it's pretty unambiguous.

      They why didn't they say "The right of the people to keep and bear arms while in defense of the state shall not be infringed, but at all other times the state can disarm you."?

      If you're so knowledgeable on the subject, why don't you know what the 'founding fathers' wrote about why they put that in the constitution?

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  2. Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enjoy your Corporate States of America!

    1. Re:Enjoy! by Tsiangkun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fascism, with its merging of corporate, political, and military power, is almost complete in America. Too much 'rah rah USA, we so free, we so great, god just loves United States !', from a young age. Brainwashed people don't see it coming. Those who do go crazy trying to get others to see it. Even today, people who own a car, or a home, or even a business think they are part of the ownership class. They cheer the corporations on as if they will benefit. They believe they are part of the people who own enough wealth to create international policy, national policy, and military support of that policy. Silly people, they think they are part of the rich, when all they make is hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. If you aren't making governments bend to your desire, you are not part of the ownership class.

    2. Re:Enjoy! by ckeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If something can be taken away from you, then you truly do not own it. Thus, we own nothing it is just in our possession.

    3. Re:Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dear citizen,

      Your comments are un-american and un-patriotic. I can only guess you're a pirate. You personally are stealing money from thousands of starving artists. Piracy is theft and funds terrorism. The government's first priority should be to track down people like you and make you pay. Your life should be ruined and the lives of your children for going against what we tell you is right.

      Yours sincerely

      RIAA/Your government.

    4. Re:Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No shit.
      And they pushed support of getting rid of the "death tax" when the exclusion limit was $600k per individual (What percentage of families in the US have $1.2 million estates?) and it's not $5 million per individual. We absolutely need an estate tax, and the lower limits were fine.

    5. Re:Enjoy! by s13g3 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Please mod parent as troll. And PLEASE stop using the word fascist in context to every government you don't like or understand.

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      "Inveniemus Viam Aut Faciemus" 'We will find a way... Or we will make one!' --Hannibal of Carthage
    6. Re:Enjoy! by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      If you think otherwise, you need a lesson in history and political ideologies.

    7. Re:Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dear slashdot poster,

      Although you may disagree with GP, he illustrates his opinions on the current status of US government. If you went by the actual definition of fascism, as opposed to the everyone-I-hate-is-fascist definition, an argument could be made for the US trending towards a fascist government. It could be made against it as well. Do not pander for mods to mark the posts you disagree with as a troll. Instead, present an argument as to why he is wrong, if you believe so.

    8. Re:Enjoy! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Informative

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      The word "corporatist", and what Mussolini meant by "corporate" in his oft-quoted description of fascism, has very little to do with the modern capitalist definition of "corporation". Fascists were more like syndicalists in that respect, and "corporations" were to be more akin to guilds.

    9. Re:Enjoy! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It could be made against it as well.

      Pardon me for troll-feeding... but where's the "Score: -1, Bullshit" mod when you need it?!

    10. Re:Enjoy! by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2
      --
      A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
    11. Re:Enjoy! by Skillet5151 · · Score: 1

      On behalf of the four other slashdotters who care about history for more than just mudslinging, thank you.

    12. Re:Enjoy! by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Remember that disclaimer on Scientology on South Park? "THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE" And all that jazz. Also, lawyers are paid to argue about it in their clients' favor, and "lost profit" is an argument (notice there's no adjective against argument, it could be wrong for all they care) for copyright police.

      And also notice that AC said "It could be made against it as well." What he's saying is people do argue today about stuff like this, both using current events, for and against government actions.

    13. Re:Enjoy! by divisionbyzero · · Score: 2

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      If you think otherwise, you need a lesson in history and political ideologies.

      Well, you've got it backwards. Under fascism the government appropriates businesses for political purposes. In America businesses have appropriated the government for financial purposes. I'm not sure what you call it but it's not fascism.

    14. Re:Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, as a so far still happy European I can say that we're on the way to the same thing.
      I'm pretty sure that within the 50 years I'll probably still live I'm gonna see a revolution in my own country. Germany.
      Either that, or we're China.

    15. Re:Enjoy! by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      Fascism, with its merging of corporate, political, and military power, is almost complete in America.
      Too much 'rah rah USA, we so free, we so great, god just loves United States !', from a young age.
      Brainwashed people don't see it coming. Those who do go crazy trying to get others to see it.

      Even today, people who own a car, or a home, or even a business think they are part of the ownership class.
      They cheer the corporations on as if they will benefit.
      They believe they are part of the people who own enough wealth to create international policy, national policy, and military support of that policy.
      Silly people, they think they are part of the rich, when all they make is hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

      If you aren't making governments bend to your desire, you are not part of the ownership class.

      Don't be a sheeple! Don't let yourself be one of the brainwashed masses. Never buy stock in one of the corporate meat grinders that makes you part owner and gives you voting rights. Move to another country where you will not be a slave to our corporate masters. If the evil corporate empires have taken all countries over, move "off the grid" to the some rainforest or jungle somewhere and learn to live off whatever you can catch or find to eat. I don't give a fuck where you go, just get the hell out of here and STFU with the "everyone is a fascist" bullshit. Either STFU and do something about it or just STFU. It doesn't matter to me as either option has STFU in it.

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    16. Re:Enjoy! by divisionbyzero · · Score: 1

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      If you think otherwise, you need a lesson in history and political ideologies.

      Also, corporatism within the context of fascism is different than within the context for capitalism. Corporatism is more literal in fascism. It means to that everything has its place function within the body politic like organs in the human body. Now, I think the analogy sucks but I am not a fascist.

    17. Re:Enjoy! by khallow · · Score: 1
      Solution, drop the tribal nonsense and go with the existing, working exchange economy. If you look at the four proposed solutions:

      * a gift economy (like Wikipedia, Debian GNU/Linux, or blogging on the internet, but also Freecycle and more volunteering of services),
      * a basic income (social security and health care for all regardless of age),
      * democratic resource-based planning (using taxes, subsidies, investments, and regulation to achieve mutually agreed-on social goals), and
      * stronger local subsistence-oriented communities that can produce more of their own stuff (using organic gardens, solar panels and/or cold fusion devices, 3D printers, personal robotics, and so on).

      If you want them, implement them yourself. If they are of value, rather than being the usual waste of time, then the rest of us will adopt them to some degree. But what I see here are calls for top-down imposition of economies that just don't work on a national scale. As I see it, the exchange economy which the developed world already has, renders most of these ideas obsolete.

      Then let's look at your problems. Two of your problem links come from a failed attempt to impose a deliberately flawed democracy on an authoritarian society, the Weimar Republic. Of course, it didn't work. It's foolish to compare the poor decisions of that effort to modern society.

      The third is just a painful abuse of scare quotes and semantics (eg, wealth is redefined as a characteristic of a class of elites so that "cheap-labor conservatives" are automatically wrong).

    18. Re:Enjoy! by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Let's see, you reply for free to Slashdot as a gift (and maybe used Wikipedia recently), you (if a typical US American) had the country spend about US$150,000 on your K-12 education, you are using an internet and roads created in large part initially by government planning, and you are probably accessing slashdot from a privately owned device you can configure how you wish. So, you are already essentially living the life that you say I want to impose on you as "top down". :-)

      Really, it is just a matter of degree and a matter of accepting where we are already and making the best use of our resources other than by pretending everything is based on exchange.

      You assume the exchange economy is working, but obviously one can look at many areas where it is not, especially related to external costs (see Fukishima risk or coal pollution ignored in calling such things cheap energy) and also the creation of artificial scarcity backed by police violence as a main business model (see RIAA) which creates all sorts of chilling effects on 99% of artists who might like to easily copy and remix existing stuff but can't.

      It is more the exchange economy that is becoming obsolete. If nothing of much importance is scarce, exchange becomes less important. If there is little need for human labor, you can't sensibly tie rewards to effort. If creativity diminished if done for gain, you're actively harming the future by financial incentives. If the rich/poor divide increase more and more from rent seeking through copyrights, patents, and other monopolies, then the whole notion of an exchange economy falls apart (as laborers are too desperate to ask for and get reasonable compensation, which means they can not spend it to buy goods).

      See also:
          "RSA Animate - Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us "
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

      Prussian schooling may be obsolete too, but it still governs so many things about current US society. The problems in Germany leading up to WWII were much broader and deeper than just imposing democracy somewhere, and by the way, for current events, is that not what the USA has been trying to do in the Middle East in some countries, while propping up dictatorships in others? All just racketeering (in the "war is a racket" sense) linked to some people gaining more wealth and power in a broken exchanges-based socioeconomic system.

      However, I'm not saying all the economic transactions don't have their strengths and weaknesses. Gifts may not be what you want. Localism can be parochial and inefficient and divisive in various ways. Government planners can be captured by industry or ignore basic needs. A basic income may just prop up a status quo:
          "RSA Animate - First as Tragedy, Then as Farce"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

      But my main point is there is some balance of all of those in our society right now, and that balance shifts with changes to culture and technology. It is shifting now, but RIAA is fighting it with everything they have -- but ultimately, to what end?

      --
      A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
    19. Re:Enjoy! by khallow · · Score: 1

      Let's see, you reply for free to Slashdot as a gift (and maybe used Wikipedia recently), you (if a typical US American) had the country spend about US$150,000 on your K-12 education, you are using an internet and roads created in large part initially by government planning, and you are probably accessing slashdot from a privately owned device you can configure how you wish. So, you are already essentially living the life that you say I want to impose on you as "top down". :-)

      My use of these goods and services doesn't endorse a top-down approach. For example, I would use education and roads under other economic approaches than as a public good. There are even times when I see ruthless exploitation of an economy in order to destroy the functioning of that economy (particularly, bogus and poorly thought out public goods) as being a moral imperative.

      Really, it is just a matter of degree and a matter of accepting where we are already and making the best use of our resources other than by pretending everything is based on exchange.

      Why bother when "pretending" gets a better result?

      But my main point is there is some balance of all of those in our society right now, and that balance shifts with changes to culture and technology. It is shifting now, but RIAA is fighting it with everything they have -- but ultimately, to what end?

      You already know: to make profit. This is a good example of how I operate. I don't buy RIAA products.

    20. Re:Enjoy! by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it.

      - Paul Muad'dib

    21. Re:Enjoy! by taucross · · Score: 1

      Fascist.

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      "In the absence of the ability to establish the attribute of truth they tried to establish the noble attributes."
    22. Re:Enjoy! by PotatoFiend · · Score: 1

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      If you think otherwise, you need a lesson in history and political ideologies.

      Well, you've got it backwards. Under fascism the government appropriates businesses for political purposes. In America businesses have appropriated the government for financial purposes. I'm not sure what you call it but it's not fascism.

      It's called corporatocracy.

      --
      "Liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as the abuses of power." -- James Madison
    23. Re:Enjoy! by ildon · · Score: 1

      You don't own anything that you buy on credit.

    24. Re:Enjoy! by Janacek · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest legal tools for this must be the EULA. You pay to own nothing, just to have very limited rights to use what you paid for within the boundaries of very restrictive terms.

    25. Re:Enjoy! by divisionbyzero · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent as troll.

      And PLEASE stop using the word fascist in context to every government you don't like or understand.

      Please mod parent troll. And PLEASE stop dismissing criticism of every government you like and think you understand just because you don't like or understand the word that is being used to criticize it.

    26. Re:Enjoy! by cavreader · · Score: 1

      And after we destroy the current system what do we replace it with? Do we just kill all current leaders and wealthy and when that is done the do the survivors get together for a big group hug? The biggest problem with the countries having their revolutions is that nobody has really thought about what happens afterward. Internal conflicts tend to get very personal and it takes a long time for the hate to dissapate. Is our current system so bad that you would be willing put up with 20 years of bloody conflict. Would this conflict involve states declaring themselves independent of the federal government? It is the cohesivness of the US states that have provided stablity and enabled the country to survive as a whole. The Civil War was more about preventing balkanization of the US land mass then about slavery. In a fight over resources the states would most likely be in a state of continual hostility. The US constitution and bill of rights were written by white, wealthy, landowners with little input from the common man and somehow they managed to do a pretty good job. Look at all the issues covered in the constitution and bill of rights and ask yourself could any such document be created today without about 50 years political infighting. It's not enough to complain and use emotional laden descriptions like "facist" if you cannot replace it with something better.

    27. Re:Enjoy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If something can be taken away from you, then you truly do not own it. Thus, we own nothing it is just in our possession.

      That's stupid. No one means that when they say 'own' -- if they did, no one would ever use that word.

    28. Re:Enjoy! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      And after we destroy the current system what do we replace it with?

      We replace it with version 2 of the original system. We realize that merely dividing the government up into different branches does not significantly slow the process of tyranny. We do everything possible to stop "the people" from removing their own freedoms. We do not allow amendments to the constitution. We do not allow individual "judges" to reinterpret the original intent of the document out of existence. The founders were libertarians and followers of John Locke and that is a fine thing, but they were not perfect. Creating a republic based on a philosophy of individual freedom which actually lasts for generations is not easy.

      We should really think of our Noble Experiment (a republic-if you can keep it) as a trial run, to shake out the bugs in the process. We now have the 20/20 vision of hindsight to try to go back and redesign a system where the inevitable creep toward tyranny is not so inevitable. Maybe it truly is unstoppable, like a law of nature, but there may be things we could do to better prevent or slow the eventual decline. It reminds me of one of my favorite ST:TNG episode, Clues (s04ep14), where the crew had to go back and correct their mistakes and try again. That's us. Think of the US Constitution as beta. Now we are out of beta testing and need a complete reboot.

      There are a number of obvious and specific suggestions that I would have for the new constitution. The Bill of Rights were one possible mistake which the founders themselves were worried about. Hence the tenth amendment. They didn't foresee that people (and supreme court justices) would just ignore the tenth amendment. Actually I'm not sure that a specific enumeration of individual rights is such a bad thing. The problem is that their system was too dependent on the government itself being filled with fellow libertarians who believed in freedom. You have to assume that your new government will be filled with people who would like to destroy it, at least after a few generations have passed. You simply cannot give such "enemies" of freedom that kind of power. Our founders unfortunately did exactly that. There are lots of specifics that could be discussed, but now we have the benefit of hundreds of years of gradual decline into tyranny to help us devise a more bullet-proof system. One that hopefully doesn't rely on bullets to maintain.

      21st century North Americans are very different philosophically from the original freedom loving 18th century colonists. The majority of Americans now don't want freedom. They despise the idea and think it is crazy, forgetting the very heritage of their own country. So what does The Revolution do about them? Should we force them to be free at the point of a gun? That is what our founders did of course, but I think we should give them the option to form their own republic. Our once great "union" of states could be divided up so there are republics for people of every major political philosophy. The US is big. There is enough land for everyone. I am thinking of 2 or 3 different sub-republics, each sovereign countries in their own right. Our republic is now divided up into states, but there is no reason we couldn't divide it into territories or provinces as well. Sort of like Quebec in Canada. Except that these territories or groups of states would be completely autonomous only connected by a very loose union like the EU. Really the only thing connecting the borders of these territories would be the right of anyone born within the old US borders to choose, perhaps at the age of 18, which territory they would like to be a citizen of. Or perhaps it could be like the EU where they would be free to live or work in any of the territories.

      If you were in the mood for some old fashioned tyranny you could live in the territory/province modeled after the USSR/Cuba/China, a Marxist society, or at least one that tries t

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    29. Re:Enjoy! by cavreader · · Score: 1

      A reasonable explanation and plan until you step into the real world and out of the idealistic sandbox your suggestions live in. And I am still not sure which freedoms I have lost over my lifetime but that is another topic for another day. Just because you have a shitty life (I'm not talking about you personally) doesn't mean it's because of some governmental conspiracy or wholesale breakdown of society. How do envision all of your suggested changes bieng put in place without destroying and killing a substantial amount of the global population resulting in pushing our civilization back to the 18th century? Your idea of freedom sounds more like anarchy and if that's what you think is best then more power to you. Just don't come bitching once the wars start. The sad fact is that there has not been any governmental and large scale societal changes without large scale unrestrained violence. People who say violence has never solved anything important are living in la-la land. Look at human history, peace is just a timeout between wars to re-build and re-arm. People like to equate our technological acheivements with progress on changing basic human nature but that is pure BS. We are not more civilized just because of the ever expanding features on our cell phones. Your reply also seems to suggest that there is a priviledged class running the world and you are probably right but not to the extremes that some people believe. In the US we waste our time and energy complaining about the politicians when it is the corporations and their leaders who should be put under the microscope. Re-focus our attention to the wealth producing entities instead of the politicians who are really no more than employees of those companies. CEO's and corporate board members have a real low threshold when it comes to public scrutiny so why don't we take advantage of that. Incorporated companies are required by law to produce detailed information on the finances of the company for stockholders so the information is there for the taking. Even non-public corporate information is easilly obtainable today. Just look at Wikileak like sites and all the successful intrusions into corporate computer systems. Financial dealings leave trails if you look hard enough. Financial records can be the factual evidence you need to go to war against a corporation. If you want to change our country or the world for the better why not pick the right targets to go after instead of tearing down the entire societal framework we are living under and trying to start over from scratch? No matter what form a government you have whether it is democratic, socialist, marxist, communist, or any other variant they all have the same priviliged class running the show. This class of people have the resources to make a better society if they really wanted and they also have the most to lose but no one is putting them in the spotlight and forcing the issue. Take all the animus thrown at Bush ,Obama,Palin, or any other politcal hack ofyour choice and package it up, and re-target it on the people who can actually do something worthwhile. You could start with the oil companies, communication companies, armament companies, and large financial institutions. Since the corporate hiearchy today is mvoving closer toward consolidation the number of potential targets are getting smaller. A "million man" march against any of these companies combined with boycotts have a better chance of intiating change than going after government representatives or politicians. There are protections and recourse in our legal system that can be very useful when confronting a corporation. We are living in an era when nobody takes any personal responsibility for their own decisions and instead they look to blame a 3rd party like their own government or the most popular excuse going today of just blaming the US for everything that is wrong in the world. Most of the problems happening today could be solved but a start would be instituting commonsense population controls. This would help conserve our natural resources long enough for alternatives to become viable and reduce the strain on the global economic system.

    30. Re:Enjoy! by divisionbyzero · · Score: 1

      What on earth are you talking about? Fascism is pretty much the ultimate representation of corporatist ideals.

      If you think otherwise, you need a lesson in history and political ideologies.

      Well, you've got it backwards. Under fascism the government appropriates businesses for political purposes. In America businesses have appropriated the government for financial purposes. I'm not sure what you call it but it's not fascism.

      It's called corporatocracy.

      Or Plutocracy.

  3. the alternative to the revolving door, of course by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The alternative to the "revolving door between government and industry" seems to mostly be regulators who don't know anything about what they're regulating. Fun stuff either way! :)

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  4. It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but this is ridiculous. I honestly don't think that cases of this nature should be allowed to come before, or be judged by someone who has spent so much time fighting on one side of a cause like that.

    That's like asking an ice cream man to preside over a case or cases where someone is suing an ice cream company for them being fat or something (probably not the best analogy, but as close as i could think of). In short, this is retarded, and that judge shouldn't have been allowed to have anything to do with this stuff.

    1. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by snspdaarf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, I am pretty sure it would be grounds for appeal.

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    2. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by pasv · · Score: 1

      Ice cream is a bad analogy for this. I'm rather bitter about the whole subject.

    3. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cigarette analogy would have worked better. Or maybe you could have done something with cars?

    4. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      Hopefully these rulings will be overturned by the supreme court and this judge will be sanctioned for having a beyond obvious bias and not recusing herself from these cases.

           

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    5. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, I am pretty sure it would be grounds for appeal.

      Like it would do any good

      I have given up. America is no longer free - political nor economically free. We're at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Western countries.

      We're no longer egalitarian nor is there any upward mobility anymore. Really there isn't.

      We're a class based society and there's no way out of it.

      For those of you who believe that there is, prove it - with yourself. Don't point out someone who made it big 40 years ago or someone who used his Harvard contacts to make it big, point out someone from East Butt-Fuck Idaho who went to Butt-Fuck State who made it big - show me him. No contacts. Someone with imagination, hard work, and intelligence - that's all.

      Nope. Right?

    6. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      That's like asking an ice cream man to preside over a case or cases where someone is suing an ice cream company for them being fat or something (probably not the best analogy, but as close as i could think of). In short, this is retarded, and that judge shouldn't have been allowed to have anything to do with this stuff.

      Or like having a judge rule on a contract case where they once were an attorney representing someone during a breach of contract case? Or having a judge who used to be a prosecutor or defense attorney preside over a criminal case? If the judge doesn't have a personal conflict of interest, they should hear the case. Otherwise no judge would be able to hear anything.

    7. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Local+ID10T · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hopefully these rulings will be overturned by the supreme court and this judge will be sanctioned for having a beyond obvious bias and not recusing herself from these cases.

      Unlikely, judges just don't get sanctioned, brotherhood of the robe and all that rot. However; it would make sense to recuse oneself when there is such a perception of impropriety.

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    8. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You know, I think the judge recruitment pool would be rather low if you didn't allow those that have either stood as plaintiffs or defendants as lawyers. Because if they're biased then so is the EFF lawyer too, right? Or is that just the lawyers on the side you don't like.

      Any good lawyer will - within reason - argue in the way his role demands. I don't think any lawyer could swear that he thought the client was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or that his side's legal theories or claims were correct - at least not anyone with more than a handful of cases.

      It's like a fencing match and there's no such thing as unsportsmanlike. If the opponent isn't paying attention or don't know the rules, then a swift stab to the guts will end it. It doesn't have to be right, it doesn't have to be fair, if your client won then you did your job. Consider it a bit like hiring a hacker - a popular idea around here - if you hire someone used at skirting the law, they'll see one that does.

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    9. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by undercanopy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know, I think the judge recruitment pool would be rather low if you didn't allow those that have either stood as plaintiffs or defendants as lawyers. Because if they're biased then so is the EFF lawyer too, right? Or is that just the lawyers on the side you don't like.

      we're not talking about a lawyer being biased, we're talking about a judge being biased. Judes recusing themselves from cases where there is, or even could be, a conflict of interest is not unusual. Her having been a RIAA lawyer creates a worthy argument for recusal, but i could argue the other way as you have. Being a lobbyist, though? That's a lot more conflict-y than just a lawyer trying to properly represent their client.

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    10. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Entrope · · Score: 1

      The principle is called recusal. Look it up if you are curious. It is a serious and frequent enough question that there are pretty good guidelines for judges about when they must recuse themselves from a case and when they should (but are not required to) recuse themselves. For example, new appointees to the Supreme Court often have to sit out cases that came up through the circuit where they served before, because they were involved in that particular case before being appointed to the Court.

      (To answer the likely question: I do not know what the rules say about this kind of case, but it would appear to be at the judge's discretion. Notable causes of mandatory recusal include a known monetary stake in the outcome and previous involvement in the adjudication of that case, so I would infer that neither of those apply here.)

    11. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Bruha · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree with you, but there is still upward mobility. I came from a poor family, spent 5 years in the military working on network gear, and now make 6 figures as a network engineer and I still dont have a college degree. While I do not have a business card that says I'm CEO Bitch, I did bring myself out of the small pissant town I grew up in oklahoma and live outside denver with a great view of the mountains.

      Though on the flip side, I do not have it as good as in other foreign countries where my masters degree is paid for by the government, and I can get a job for a song anywhere in the US vs I had to pull myself up and get to where I am today.

    12. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by crhylove · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? He's lobbying solely on one side BECAUSE he's an expert! Anybody who disagrees clearly does not understand the topic and is not an expert!

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    13. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by BaronHethorSamedi · · Score: 1

      Actually, shocking as it may seem, virtually all U.S. Federal Judges (and indeed, the vast majority of U.S. judges generally), were once lawyers, "fighting on one side of a case."

      I know Slashdot will scream bloody murder because this touches on something near and dear to their hearts (file-sharing, copyright, etc.), but if we're going to start barring judges from hearing cases based on former career choices, we're going to run out of judges pretty quickly. Lots of judges who hear criminal cases in the U.S. were once prosecutors or defense lawyers. Should they be excluded because of potential bias? Should a judge who once made a career as a plaintiff's attorney in medical malpractice suits be barred from hearing cases in that arena? We always have to give judges some measure of trust to be able to put aside their own ideologies; they're human beings after all. Even the summary notes Howell isn't the only judge to believe as she does; I rather doubt all the other judges who've ruled similarly could have been RIAA cronies. We can say it's bad to have a judge hearing a case in an area where she's previously practiced; is it better to have a judge with no practical experience in that area of law, and who knows nothing about it?

    14. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Or like having a judge rule on a contract case where they once were an attorney representing someone during a breach of contract case?

      This is far different. This judge was not once a lawyer on a bunch of "random" cases. This judge invested considerable time and effort into becoming an RIAA lobbyist before taking this position as a judge.

      From the torrent freak article:

      And yes, one of the leading lobbyists on record was Beryl Howell, who was paid $415,000 between 2004 and 2008.

      That's a hundred grand a year to lobby for the industry. It smacks of bias to me!

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    15. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by BaronHethorSamedi · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am pretty sure it would be grounds for appeal.

      On what basis? Presumably the lawyers knew who she was before they started arguing the case. If they wanted to object to her hearing it, they would have done so before they asked her to hand down a ruling. (TFA even outlines recusal conditions under federal law, but doesn't indicate there was any motion filed to have her taken off the case.) The article also acknowledges that "Howell's different perspective is defensible on its merits," apparently meaning there's nothing inherently improper about her ruling the way she did. "I don't like the way the judge ruled," by itself, isn't an issue subject to appeal.

    16. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its clear we need a car-analogy here.

    17. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by WorBlux · · Score: 1

      If you've worked for one of the parties withing the last 7 years, it's definitely a conflict of interest.

    18. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Gutboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How are the thousands of defendants supposed to do anything when they don't know who they are yet? Who was the opposing lawyer? Was there even one at all?

    19. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite... JR Simplot. But he reinforces the point made by the parent, also.

    20. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, shocking as it may seem, virtually all U.S. Federal Judges (and indeed, the vast majority of U.S. judges generally), were once lawyers, "fighting on one side of a case."

      Most lawyers have never been lobbyists. This judge was a lobbyist employed by the RIAA. You see, the issue here is that she was recently a lobbyist. Not that she is a lawyer.

      I just told you what you could have learned on your own with a little reading comprehension. The information necessary to determine that your post is a waste is contained in the SUMMARY. Fuck man, it's contained in the headline and in the titlebar of your browser. You remind me of the people who have no comprehension of the issues and no understanding of civics who for some reason still insist on voting.

      The only real question is whether you are really that clumsy and careless or whether you have some kind of pro-RIAA bias yourself, some kind of sympathy for their cause that makes you want to whitewash the whole affair.

      Lots of judges who hear criminal cases in the U.S. were once prosecutors or defense lawyers. Should they be excluded because of potential bias?

      No. The purpose of a defense lawyer is to ensure that the accused receives a fair trial, even if the accused is guilty. As an officer of the court a lawyer is expected to do this job professionally, whoever their client may be. Even scoundrels who are guilty as sin deserve a fair trial. That is how the system is supposed to work. Defense attorneys are an important part of making this happen. It is a higher ideal than whether they happen to like the client personally. It is based on principle, not fleeting sentiment.

      Should a judge who once made a career as a plaintiff's attorney in medical malpractice suits be barred from hearing cases in that arena?

      If they spent years lobbying Congress on behalf of that plaintiff, and were well-compensated for it, then yes the judge should recuse herself from the next medical malpractice case involving that same plaintiff. Not all medical malpractice cases, but the ones involving that particular plaintiff. That's because in this case, the judge's bias is known and has a demonstrable history. It is not hearsay or supposition.

      This judge has ties to the RIAA. This is demonstrable history. Unlike legal representation, no one is entitled to lobbyists. The state does not pay for a lobbyist if you are unable to afford one of your own, like the state would pay for a public defender. This judge would have had to favor the RIAA or else she'd have refused to be their marketer before Congress. There is no higher ideal that would motivate someone to lobby.

      A judge with any integrity wouldn't want there to be even the question of bias. This case involves the very same organization for whom she lobbied Congress. Not a different organization with the same vague type of "case in that arena" (your attempt to muddy the waters has failed). The exact same one. If it were entirely up to me, this judge would be impeached and a new trial would take place. I take the prospect of overwhelming state power being used against citizens that seriously. If it needs to be done, it needs to be done correctly with no obvious questions of bias.

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    21. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, I think the judge recruitment pool would be rather low if you didn't allow those that have either stood as plaintiffs or defendants as lawyers. Because if they're biased then so is the EFF lawyer too, right?

      Do you really not see the shift you just made? You go from talking about the "judge recruitment tool" in a frankly ridiculous way, then somehow shift to lawyers to take a shot at the EFF.

      Of course the EFF lawyers are biased. So are the lawyers they're going up against. That's not a failing of the system, that's the point. These lawyers are their clients' advocates, and we have an adversarial system. They should both be as biased as humanly possible.

      A judge, on the other hand, is supposed to be not only capable of making an impartial decision, but to do so in ways and cases that remove even the potential appearance of an improper or biased decision. A former RIAA lawyer ruling on whether or not you can file against thousands of John Does is hardly impartial. It may be one of the gray areas where she technically does not have to recuse herself from the case, but should have, or it may be outright misconduct. In either event, she should not have been the judge ruling on this case.

      No, that does not mean the "judge recruitment pool" shrinks nor does it mean that she can't be a judge and can't rule on other federal cases. The same goes for those EFF lawyers you brought up. Nobody has a problem with them being judges, but they probably shouldn't be making any rulings on file sharing cases.

      It's like a fencing match and there's no such thing as unsportsmanlike [. . .] if your client won then you did your job.

      This is tangential to the point, but that's actually only partially true.

      Yes, if you know the law better than your opponent you're simply a better lawyer. But as a lawyer, you also have an obligation to the court and the legal system and there are quite a lot of things you cannot do.

    22. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm, how about Obama? He certainly wasn't raised in an upper class environment and yet he's got the top job. He had all the wrong stuff in his upbringing to be president anyway - raised by single mom and grandparents, moving around a lot, not a lot of money, etc. Similar story with Clinton, raised by poor single mom as well. There are similar cases if you look around, it's easy to point to lawyers and judges like this.

      Of course they didn't go to Generic State University, but you can get into prestigious universities without being a member of the prestigious classes, and you can get into prestigious post-graduate programs (law school, med school, grad school) even if you did not go to prestigious undergraduate universities.

    23. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1

      You know, I think the judge recruitment pool would be rather low if you didn't allow those that have either stood as plaintiffs or defendants as lawyers. Because if they're biased then so is the EFF lawyer too, right? Or is that just the lawyers on the side you don't like.

      If a lawyer that worked extensively or exclusively with the EFF became a judge then yes, I would expect them to recuse themselves when a case involving the EFF came before them. Requiring a judge to have no ties to the topic of their case would in some cases be unrealistic (for instance, for a case involving a coffee company you'd have to find a judge that never drank coffee. Probably not going to happen.) Requiring that they were not previously in bed with the topic of their case is not.

    24. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "For those of you who believe that there is, prove it - with yourself."

      Done and done. From felon to research director and responsible for the food production capabilities of smaller countries.

      Just because you do not have the motivation to do it, it does not mean that other people lack the drive.

      Here's me hard at work in the UK research facility. We've got another in Australia and possibly one will be built here in California for my personal use.

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    25. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      The question which nobody seems to have posed, or answered, though, is the RIAA a party in these cases?

    26. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about the 9 figures plus class. How many new entrants does that club get?

    27. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lawyers and judges. I think it's notable that it seems only those with skill in manipulating others are exhibiting upward mobility. What about the poor texas kid who's got a great mind for algorithms and math but can't go to college because of . In some parts of the country there is decent public education and a whole slew of leg-ups (scholarships, competitions, etc) for students to make their way forward, but it is still really hard to achieve more than the "average" quality of life through application of math, science, and technology skills. The applied "public relations" field of employment (lawyers and politicians) seems to have a disproportionately greater share (as compared to technology workers) of the wealth distribution. It should be obvious: people's who's job is to manipulate the decisions of other people come out way ahead of people who's job is to improve society. Oh and because we're all greedy bastard humans, it's no surprise that those manipulative people on top using their own strong powers of influence to make sure they stay on top.

      Electrical Engineer Average Salary

      Software Engineer Average Salary

      Average Lobbyist Salary

    28. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (probably not the best analogy, but as close as i could think of).

      Yes, you should have gone for the car analogy...

    29. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by steelfood · · Score: 1

      That's like asking an ice cream man to preside over a case or cases where someone is suing an ice cream company for them being fat or something (probably not the best analogy, but as close as i could think of).

      I call upon the power of children to present a proper analogy:

      It's like asking a NAMBLA member to preside over a child molestation case.

      or, on the flip side

      It's like asking a victim of child molestation to preside over a child molestation case.

      Cue the screaming "parents": Think of the children*!

      *No, not that way, pervert!

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    30. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Carmack and Romero, and the other id software founders? I'm pretty sure neither has a college degree, or at least didn't when they were making Wolf3D, Doom, and Quake. Hell they event deviated further from the system by distributing Doom 1 as shareware (read all about it in "Masters of Doom"). They also didn't have rich parents or any special contacts. Their success was entirely from raw enthusiasm, lots of hard work, and making the right decisions and taking appropriate risks (such as choosing to leave the stifling confines of an established software house, in order to bring their visions to light).

      Of course, I doubt they have any real political clout. They seem to lack a certain required amount of corruption for that... I mean, hell they even regularly release old source code to the gaming community.

    31. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, but there is still upward mobility.

      Places like India, with formal "set" classes, have more upward mobility then the US. Yes, there's always "some" but in terms of global class movement, the US is falling rapidly in the ranks, not leading as the nationalists would assert.

    32. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The RIAA is almost never a party in these cases. The individual companies (Sony, RCA, etc.) are always listed. Also, the RIAA or its members needn't be listed for there to be a conflict of interests. Being in a position to form case law and picking sides to directly help the RIAA, even if it were a software issue not music, would still be a conflict. There is backup for these judges. If there is an IP case come through, there's no reason to not recuse oneself.

    33. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Most lawyers have never been lobbyists. This judge was a lobbyist employed by the RIAA. You see, the issue here is that she was recently a lobbyist. Not that she is a lawyer.

      Two good points here.

      1. She's a lawyer, well shouldn't a judge know a thing or two about the law? Lawyers are normally experts in that area.

      2. The question shouldn't be "was she a lobbyist", rather it should be "is she still a lobbyist". The lawyer in question may have disliked doing what she did as much as you did. I think you'll be hard pressed to find any professional that liked every client they've ever worked for.

      She was a lawyer, paid to do a job as a lobbyist (probably as part of a firm). That does not mean she has an intrinsic link to that philosophy. I've sold MS Exchange Server to clients, that doesn't make me a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch of the imagination.

      So the question is, does she have any current ties to any copyright enforcement entity? Economic ties especially.

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    34. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Darri · · Score: 1

      Hmm, how about Obama? ... Similar story with Clinton ... it's easy to point to lawyers and judges like this.

      Well yes, the rich will allow you to climb pretty high, but only as long as you serve their interests.

      If you can't beat them, join them, if you can't join them, serve them.

    35. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're no longer egalitarian nor is there any upward mobility anymore. Really there isn't.

      My understanding is there cannot be upward mobility in an egalitarian state. You are where you are, as is everyone else. The moment your improve in any way - even slightly - you are no longer truly equal to those around you, but have become elite.

    36. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody that tries to be a celebrity as much as Obama, and goes to Harvard Law wouldn't be Upper Class when they get out of the school....just impossible.

    37. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      While I'm not out to disparage your accomplishments, being in the UK does necessarily disqualify you from disproving the assertion in terms of the US ("in this country").

    38. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by BaronHethorSamedi · · Score: 1
      Yes, my reading comprehension is fine, thank you. How's yours?

      This case involves the very same organization for whom she lobbied Congress. Not a different organization with the same vague type of "case in that arena" (your attempt to muddy the waters has failed). The exact same one.

      From the article (emphasis mine):

      Having worked with the RIAA rather than the small movie producers bringing the current suits, and having worked for the industry on legislation rather than litigation, Howell does not appear to have any direct stake in these particular cases.

      That aside, please explain the alarming difference, in terms of bias, between a lawyer representing a client in court, and a lobbyist (who is also a lawyer) representing a client before a legislature. The high ideals you have cited are admirable, but lawyers (like lobbyists) practice law to make a living. I hope all attorneys are as principled as you describe; I question whether it is the case.

    39. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I live in California. All operations and major research are based here. I have to travel to the other facilities to see some things for myself, as pictures and numbers just won't do it.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    40. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. Consider the post rescinded since /. still lives in 1994 with no damned "edit post" button. :)

    41. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Uhh, then, are RIAA members parties in the cases? I reject entirely the idea that you should exempt yourself from entire areas of the law because you once represented someone who had an interest in that area.

    42. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I reject entirely the idea that you should exempt yourself from entire areas of the law because you once represented someone who had an interest in that area.

      I agree with your statement, and I find it irrelevant to my point.

      If you once represented someone on one point of the law, perhaps you'll be better able to address that in court since you are more intimately familiar with that part of the law and your involvement in that case was such that you wouldn't have any inherent bias. Or not. The only one that knows is the judge himself, and that's why there's usually the "option" to recuse, but not the requirement to do so.

      But if you made a career out of arguing one singular point regarding one singular part of law, then you are incapable of being impartial. You can feel impartial. You can think you are impartial. You can act as impartially as you are able, and you will still be partial. It's not a fault of the person. It's human nature. Just as the number one predictor of religion or political affiliation is the beliefs of ones parents (why? Because when you are told one thing for long enough, you'll believe it as fact, even if it is wrong, presuming it's plausable enough), when you argue one single legal point for years, you'll be biased.

      But a judge wouldn't recuse themselves for that. They'll be biased. They'll know they are likely biased. But, like doctors, judges are coached that they are God. As such, they take a voluntary recusal as weakness, not as ethical.

      Or, to put it more succintly, I stated "If there is an IP case come through, there's no reason to not recuse oneself." And your response was an uneducated and unjustified "nuh uh." And I reject entirely the idea that the right of a judge to hear a case trumps basic ethics. If there is a conflict of interest or could be perceived to be a conflict of interest, the judge should recuse themselves. Here, there was an obvious perception of bias (or we wouldn't be discussing it at all). Thus, the judge failed in not recusing herself.

    43. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I don't think in this case she made a "career" out of it. If she had that still would not be grounds for recusal. Career prosecutors, and career defense attorneys, are appointed all the time to the bench. What you don't understand is that attorneys don't have the kind of emotional investment in arguments that you think they do. That's why prosecutors can spend 20 years throwing people in jail, then leave the district attorney's office and start their own criminal defense firm (it's actually quite common).

    44. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Career prosecutors, and career defense attorneys, are appointed all the time to the bench.

      Career prosecutors don't make a career prosecuting one and only one criminal, like the corporate lawyers do defending one and only one defendant and then usually on one and only one point of law.

      What you don't understand is that attorneys don't have the kind of emotional investment in arguments that you think they do.

      I've taken a few classes in a law school (they were cross-listed with normal classes to increase class size, so I wasn't in law school, but took classes from one attached to my uni), my dad is a lawyer, and my best friend is a lawyer. My mother, while not a lawyer, spent more time in court than most career lawyers. And you are really going to tell me what I do and don't know about lawyers, implying that your opinion is somehow better than mine? What real-world exposure do you have to lawyers?

    45. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Career prosecutors don't make a career prosecuting one and only one criminal

      Some of them will spend most of their career dealing with drug cases, or murder cases, so kind of. And again, just because this woman was a lobbyist for a few years does not mean she spent her CAREER doing this.

      and my best friend is a lawyer. My mother, while not a lawyer, spent more time in court than most career lawyers. And you are really going to tell me what I do and don't know about lawyers, implying that your opinion is somehow better than mine?

      Of course I'm going to tell you my opinion is better than yours. That's the definition of an opinion. If you didn't think your opinion was better than mine I would be a little confused over what you were doing.

      What real-world exposure do you have to lawyers?

      Well, mostly from being one. And since my work deals exclusively with Federal courts, and I spend a good chunk of my time reading and analyzing judicial opinions, I like to think I have a fairly good idea about how Federal judges approach things.

    46. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Well, mostly from being one.

      Ah. So your reasoning for lawyers being infallible is from the experience of being a lawyer. I can't argue against that. You would think that. From my experience with lawyers, that's also true of most of them, seeing as how, as I said previously, lawyers are trained, like doctors, to think of themselves as God.

      At least with lawyers, I know how to shut them up. All it takes is pointing out that case law is unconstitutional and one of the worst violations of human rights perpetrated in a civilized society and even the anti "activist judges" (who are really quite pro-activist judges, just for those that agree with their opinions) declare that it's somehow sane to have the vast majority of law being excluded from the law books. They never agree, but they are so taken aback that someone has a reasoned and logical complaint that violates the very premise of their entire profession that they almost always respond with aggravated silence.

    47. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Ah. So your reasoning for lawyers being infallible is from the experience of being a lawyer

      Complete strawman. Nothing I said even implies that I think lawyers are infallible. My point was simply that as a policy matter, just because a lawyer took a certain legal argument in a case or cases does not mean the lawyer is incapable of adjudicating cases where that argument will come up. Many judges have certain legal viewpoints, for example many are pro-defense, but unless there is a specific conflict of interest concerning the parties involved, it makes no sense to keep them from ruling.

      At least with lawyers, I know how to shut them up. All it takes is pointing out that case law is unconstitutional and one of the worst violations of human rights perpetrated in a civilized society and even the anti "activist judges" (who are really quite pro-activist judges, just for those that agree with their opinions) declare that it's somehow sane to have the vast majority of law being excluded from the law books.

      Considering case law is implicitly recognized by the Constitution (see the Seventh Amendment), that most state law books explicitly recognize common law and state that it is valid unless it conflicts with statutory law, and that many of the drafters of the Constitution were common law lawyers who made an express decision not to throw out the common law system when creating the Constitution, I don't think your argument is going to "shut . . . up" any reasonably competent lawyers who hear it. Perhaps the ones you tell that to just don't feel like arguing with you. And for someone who in your prior post boasted about your connection with lawyers, you seem to suddenly have a low opinion of them.

      In any event, in a human history that has seen such terrible acts of violence by their governments, saying that using a common law system that, like statutory law, is intended to apply equally to whoever is in court does not really seem like "one of the worst violations of human rights perpetrated in a civilized society." Finally, your argument that the "vast majority" of law is excluded from the books is just not accurate. Most of what lawyers deal with is statutory law, not common law. While certain areas, namely contract law and property law have certain common law aspects, those are still mostly statutory, and in any event the "common law" rules have in many cases been codified.

    48. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Finally, your argument that the "vast majority" of law is excluded from the books is just not accurate.

      Your ignorance is not a strong argument. There is a law in every state I've looked that essentially says "NECA is law" when NECA is not a statute and not even available unless you pay a large fee to a private organization. Oh, and the length of NECA is such that it alone is probably longer than most state statute. And that's just one of many such external references, done both at the local, state, and national level. Someone could stack every law in effect that affects them and stack every non-law that is enforced with the power of law, and I'd be surprised if the stack of non-law was less than 10 times as large. And that's not even counting case law. And to assert that case law is something that most lawyers don't get involved with is silly. Any reference to precedent is case law, and as such, the majority of cases at least rely on case law, even if they don't directly cite it on a regular basis.

    49. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by nomadic · · Score: 1

      If the statute says NECA is law, then NECA becomes part of the statute by reference. Try again. And now you seem to be claiming that courts shouldn't interpret the law, which basically means courts shouldn't hear cases. You are hopelessly confused.

    50. Re:It's hard enough to be impartial abot things by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If the statute says NECA is law, then NECA becomes part of the statute by reference.

      That is your opinion. And I think your opinion is incorrect. If all you can respond with is "nuh uh" then I'll take that as a concession on my points of fact.

  5. Just an observation by U8MyData · · Score: 5, Informative

    Increasingly, our country is appears to be more like the Corporate States of America. Sad. Can I have my bill of rights, consumer rights, and right to privacy back please? Or is that now subject to subscription services? (plenty of sarcasm intended).

    1. Re:Just an observation by U8MyData · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the bad grammar folks. Proof read before post fail...

    2. Re:Just an observation by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      You can have a bill.

    3. Re:Just an observation by santax · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'm Bill. Where do you want me to go?

    4. Re:Just an observation by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's because we say corporations are "people." When they have the "same" rights as people they essentially have more rights than people since they can amass so much power.

      They shouldn't have the same right as people because they aren't people. Giving the the exact same set of rights means the rights of real living, breathing people are lessened.

    5. Re:Just an observation by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go sit on capitol hill.

      I hope and pray that I will
      But today I am still
      just a bill.

    6. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...while waiting in jail.

    7. Re:Just an observation by Hooya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When they were given the "rights", they should have also been given the same liabilities as people:

      - lifespan of 80 years.
      - incarceration (everyone in the company gets locked up) for wrongdoing.

      (i know it doesn't work. just pointing out HOW corporations aren't people and therefore shouldn't have rights as such).

      Right now, it's much better to be an incorporated entity than it is to be an individual. They get all the rights, and get to enjoy it for far longer than any person and without the possibility of incarceration if the entity starts enjoying it's "rights" a little too much by violating the rights of others.

    8. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ha!

      Who are you asking for your rights? The more people expect to be given rights by someone else, the more relevant the concepts in the book "Democracy: The God That Failed" become.

      Rights and their inalienability come from your ability to act and make decisions; they are not the imaginary privileges that most people have come to expect.

    9. Re:Just an observation by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This isn't possible. President Obama said that the era of revolving doors at the white house (corporations hiring away whitehouse appointees and whitehouse appointees with conflicting interests being hired away from private industry) was over. Yet, that's all I've seen here. From a company hiring out nearly the entire IRS to help it pay zero taxes to a guy with no history or experience or knowledge in anything becoming the country's "CTO" to . . . this.

      I can only surmise that this has somehow slipped under Obama's radar and that as soon as someone brings it to his attention, he'll make sure some heads roll. And I'm sure the next president will totally not allow this to happen. Or the one after that. Or the one after that. This is totally not the way government has operated for most of our two centuries and change. This is toooootally a rare exception. Yep. I'm sure of it.

    10. Re:Just an observation by Seumas · · Score: 1

      I would like to see a corporation declare itself as being gay and I would also like to see a corporation adopt and raise a child.

      You think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm serious as fuck. I've always thought it would be fantastic to see Coca Cola or Intel go through the adoption process and raise a child. But would they be allowed to do it alone, or would they be obligated by adoption agencies to partner with another corporation?

    11. Re:Just an observation by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

      Corporations were originally conceived so that volunteers working for charities could be shielded from liability for the actions of the charity. If they'd left it at that, it would be perfectly ok.

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    12. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations are not people. I'm really pissed at them, but I simply can't take a shotgun and put them 6 feet under simply because just for one, I'd run out of ammo.

    13. Re:Just an observation by FridayBob · · Score: 1

      Increasingly, our country is appears to be more like the Corporate States of America. ...

      It's called the United Corporations of America, son:

      "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Corporations of America, and to the profit for which it stands; one nation where the lobbyists write all the rules and are then appointed as judges to uphold them, with liberty and justice for all who can pay for it."

    14. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would appear that they've found a way to legally bribe public officials. Have them appointed as judges and regulators, then when they retire after a few years, give them cushy jobs with big salaries.

    15. Re:Just an observation by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      We are stuck with corporate ex-employees operating our government in many places because you can't just pluck someone off the street and turn them into a regulator/judge/bureaucrat. You need some experience and education to understand how to do the job.

      Unfortunately, when you are pulling all your people from the very industries that you are trying to regulate, there's going to be not only the potential for blatant conflict of interest, there could be just simple bias towards a certain position purely based on that person's experience while working in the industry.

      The question is, when you remove the industry insiders from the government, just who are you going to have operate your regulatory commissions and bureaus? This article summary is all but asserting that because someone was a lobbyist for an industry, they quite simply cannot be trusted. I'm not saying that assumption is false, I would guess that it is dependent on the personal integrity of the individual, but when you remove these people from consideration, where do you find people with useful experience?

    16. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a nice start if they had to pay tax like people anyway...

    17. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused how you and others tangled incarceration among other things into an article that involves someone who is no longer part of the corporate entity. I'm also seeing a lot about how corporations are above the law and can get away with anything. I'm guessing you missed Ken Lay, Aaron Beam Mark Swartz along with others going to jail for inflating revenues and taking advantage of lax consolidation policy. I guess if three people fuck up in the company the 5,000 people employed and everyone invested in it should suffer too?

      Furthermore why should the entire corporation be punished because of n top executives trying to keep shareholders expectations up? I guarantee you the janitor and old lady sitting at the front desk played no part in inflating revenue and classifying expenses as capital assets.

    18. Re:Just an observation by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Running out of ammo isn't a problem, you still have a very functional club.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    19. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other human liabilities that could now be applied to corporations:
      - death penalty (complete termination of the existence of the company, possibly death to everyone in the company)
              for things like murder knowingly committed by the company
      - ankle braces (for everyone in the company)
              for things like sexual offenses knowingly done by the company
      - sex offender registration (for everyone in the company)
              for things like sexual offenses knowingly done by the company

    20. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time for a corporate death-penalty.

    21. Re:Just an observation by schlunk · · Score: 1

      ha, that would be funny if you locked up the shareholders for an amount of time depending on how much of the company they owned. The corp gets sentenced to 5 years, and you own 1% of the company... therefore you do 91.3 days in jail.

    22. Re:Just an observation by Tony2Heads · · Score: 1

      What about death sentence for corporations (wind them up
      and assets to the state) for killing people!

    23. Re:Just an observation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      actually here is a fun fact.

      go read the original transcript of that trial where corporations were given similar rights as persons. This did not happen. In fact the judges noted this was not needed. However 2-3 years later the clerk added notes that said that corporations DO have the same rights as people.
      This is not legally binding (the clerk notes), however the misconception is being repeated over and over again.

      Do not take my word for it, but go retrieve the original transcript. or if you are lazy there is someone who actually did the research on it and put it up on youtube (use your google-fu). You'll also note some other shenanigans why those notes were added. but the fact remains, corporations do indeed NOT have the right of people, but use the non-binding notes of that trial instead of the actual trial outcome.

      As long as people repeat the false outcome, it will stand. Once they read the actual transcript you know a lie has become fact.

    24. Re:Just an observation by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      to a guy with no history or experience or knowledge in anything becoming the country's "CTO" to . . . this.

      Well, if the American people can appoint a man with those qualifications to becoming the country's "CEO", why shouldn't Obama do the same.

      --
      Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
      Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
  6. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a false duality. There is no reason that regulators can't listen to the industries they regulate as long as the industries aren't buying them trips, cars, vacations, etc...

  7. Net even a shred of conscience by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can any judge with even a sliver of a conscience not recuse themselves from this case?

    1. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can any judge with even a sliver of a conscience not recuse themselves from this case?

      This was an RIAA lawyer. I'd check your expectations at the door.

    2. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      I think you answered your own question.

    3. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear the judge in question was formerly a lawyer, a political lobbyist, and worked for the music industry.

    4. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      This is a lobbyist whose primary work seems to have consisted of attacking her industry's customers.

      Neither conscience nor intelligence seem to reside within these folks.

      Has anyone clued the RIAA in to the fact that their business model is D-E-A-D?

      --
      One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on
    5. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by internerdj · · Score: 3, Funny

      I keep shouting it on slashdot but they don't seem to notice me...

    6. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone clued the RIAA in to the fact that their business model is D-E-A-D?

      They know, that's why they have to buy judges.

    7. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by crossmr · · Score: 1

      Apparently he's already got his resume in for Maitre'D in the 9th circle of hell.

    8. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by Reziac · · Score: 2

      Exactly.

      I don't know about other states or Federal court, but in Montana, if your case is assigned a judge who you feel cannot be impartial re your case, you can file a simple form that throws that judge off your case. You don't need to explain your reasons, either.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    9. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by crhylove · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you saw an American judge with a sliver of conscience? Do you live here?

      Actually, to be fair I have had *A* good judge at exactly one court appointment EVER.

      --
      I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
    10. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Somebody came by with a pair of tweezers..

      --
      For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
    11. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you saw an American judge with a sliver of conscience? Do you live here?

      Actually, to be fair I have had *A* good judge at exactly one court appointment EVER.

      I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part that the judicial branch of the government wasn't for sale.

    12. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      They didn't buy this judge. They handcrafted it, lovingly, from snips and snails and puppy dog tails. And Chemical X.

    13. Re:Net even a shred of conscience by crhylove · · Score: 1

      I have the same wishful thinking about the legislative and executive branches.

      --
      I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
  8. Bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if her past history would be something that the defense lawyers would be able to bring up as a cause for bias and a basis for appeal.

  9. Conflict of Interest??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since this person use to lobby FOR the RIAA, wouldn't they be obligated to excuse themselves from cases/issues such as this?

  10. Stop shopping with companies that employ the RIAA. by yossie · · Score: 1

    STOP BUYING THEIR MUSIC (and don't pirate it.) Sooner or later they will die away like any meme that has become bad.
    Who knows, maybe the govt will force us to shop with them, grin, but I doubt it - even forcing us to buy something useful, like medical insurance, is meeting incredible resistance.

  11. pseudocode by Jodka · · Score: 1

    if isCrony(judge){
        if isRepublicanAppointee(judge)
              blame(Repuplicans);
        if isDemocratAppointee(judge)
              blame(RevolvingDoors);
    }

    --
    Ceci n'est pas une signature.
    1. Re:pseudocode by DanTheStone · · Score: 1

      Nice timing, you got in immediately prior to the person who posted the "Blame Obama" comment.

    2. Re:pseudocode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your program resulted in undefined behavior when both isRepublicanAppointee and isDemocratAppointee returned true.

      democrat and republican were defined to the same value in enum party.

    3. Re:pseudocode by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Republicans are blamed if the crony judge rules according to republican political or economic interests. Both republicans and democrats seem to be on the RIAA's side. You *could* blame democrats, but there's not much point unless you think that republicans are going to stand up for the little guy against the major corporation. In this particular case, I was not aware of who appointed the judge, and I'd find it believable either way.

    4. Re:pseudocode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'm a Democrat, and I blame Obama for this. Your code is defective.

  12. Obama nominee, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    And confirmed by a Democrat Senate (in the lame duck session, right before the Dems lost some Senate seats in January):

    Beryl A. Howell (born 1956) is a federal District Court judge for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. She was nominated by President Barack Obama on July 14, 2010 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on December 27, 2010. (Wikipedia)

    Well, all you YRO types who voted for Obama, this is what you get.

    Too bad I had to post anon due to predictable mod abuse, because I am serious about this topic, not trolling.

    1. Re:Obama nominee, of course by drsmack1 · · Score: 0

      I was coming here to post the same thing. I *assumed* it was a democrat appointee doing this - wikipedia confirmed it.

      And I agree that posting under your login would have damaged your karma - that is how insecure liberals are.

    2. Re:Obama nominee, of course by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Under most usages *I'm* a liberal. I don't like Obama. He *isn't* a liberal.

      Only in the minds of crazy right wingers and tea party activists involved in fighting shadows is he a liberal.

    3. Re:Obama nominee, of course by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think a republican majority would not have done the same?

      They are all bought and paid for.

    4. Re:Obama nominee, of course by nomadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, all you YRO types who voted for Obama, this is what you get.

      It was pretty obvious Obama was not going to be particularly progressive where it counted. McCain, however, after his rightward lurch during the election would probably have gone to war with Iran, would have appointed right-wing nutjobs to the EPA, Department of the Interior, etc., and would have emboldened the Republican party for generations --"look how much we screwed the country up with Bush, and we still got re-elected, we can do anything!" So he was still worth voting for.

    5. Re:Obama nominee, of course by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. He is about as much a corporate sellout as one can be.

      Only in the USA have politics slid so far to the right that this person could be even thought of that way.

    6. Re:Obama nominee, of course by drsmack1 · · Score: 1

      Did you have some purpose for posting? Where did *I* say that *Obama* was a liberal?

      Since you do not *like* Obama, I'm sure that during your pre-election research you decided not to vote for him. Right?

      Anyone who honestly looked at his past words and actions should not be surprised at anything he has done while in office.

      I bet if you vote next time you will find some way to *like* him again.

      Voting is where the rubber hits the road - only a complete pussy votes a certain way and then distances themselves when that is no longer the popular choice.

      On a similar note - it is amazingly hard to find someone who admits to voting for Jimmy Carter twice. Strange that.

    7. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Seumas · · Score: 1

      Because this would be totally different under a Republican president. And it'll be totally different under whoever the next president is. Totally. Yep.

    8. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Did you have some purpose for posting? Where did *I* say that *Obama* was a liberal?

      You did say that liberals would be upset about blaming Obama. He said that he is a liberal and he's not upset about it because he doesn't like Obama and doesn't consider him a liberal. That's a perfectly on topic response that does not hinge on you thinking Obama is a liberal.

      However, I turn it around on you. If you did not mean to suggest that Obama is liberal, why did you think liberals would be upset about him being blamed?

    9. Re:Obama nominee, of course by commandermonkey · · Score: 2

      , I'm sure that during your pre-election research you decided not to vote for him

      Seriously, what is wrong with people like you? Yes, many progressives that voted for Obama are pissed at him and don't have any problem painting him with the same brush as the previous war mongering corporate shill. But he isn't McCain. Let me repeat that he is not McCain! On the one you have a guy who at least appears to be anti-kill poor people in third world countries, pro-civil liberties, pro-rule of law and he is even a constitution scholar. On the other you have someone who talks about staying in Iraq for another 100 years and during the campaign appear to run to embrace the policies of the last 8 years(plus don't forget the running mate, if that doesn't show poor judgment I don't know what does.)

      Well it turns out we may be stuck in Iraq for a 100 years, the erosion of privacy, indefinite detention, preemptive war(without congress approval this time,) a large healthcare bill that, while helping to cover more Americans, effectively requires you to hand over money to private corporations and if you can't afford to the government will step in and help you pay money to private corporations. And the list goes on.

      So yes, progressives are pissed, but had it to do over again I still probably would have voted for him. I would rather play Russian Roulette with a six shooter and five rounds than play with a semi-automatic. The result may be the same but at least there is hope.

    10. Re:Obama nominee, of course by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      McCain, however, after his rightward lurch during the election would probably have gone to war with Iran, would have appointed right-wing nutjobs to the EPA, Department of the Interior, etc., and would have emboldened the Republican party for generations --"look how much we screwed the country up with Bush, and we still got re-elected, we can do anything!" So he was still worth voting for.

      He [Ralph Nader] ruled out the possibility that he would prevent a Democratic victory in 2008.
      “Not a chance,” he said. “If the Democrats can’t landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, and emerge in a different form.”
      -Ralph Nader on whether he will prevent a Democratic win in the 08 election. (New York TImes)

      It wasn't a landslide, but then the Republicans had their secret weapon: Sarah Palin

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    11. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Well it turns out we may be stuck in Iraq for a 100 years, the erosion of privacy, indefinite detention, preemptive war(without congress approval this time,) a large healthcare bill that, while helping to cover more Americans, effectively requires you to hand over money to private corporations and if you can't afford to the government will step in and help you pay money to private corporations. And the list goes on.

      Surely you don't blame Obama for the shortcomings of the healthcare bill. This is the best bill we could pass with every single Republican voting against it. Also, I hardly think that what we're doing in Libya amounts to Bush Doctrine.

      Now the infinite detention and privacy concerns.... that pisses me off

    12. Re:Obama nominee, of course by scot4875 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I bet if you vote next time you will find some way to *like* him again.

      Yup. He won't be as bad as the idiot that the Republicans run.

      --Jeremy

      --
      Jesus was a liberal
    13. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Andronicus · · Score: 1

      Two sides of the wake-up coin: (OT, but nomadic moves me to comment)

      Perhaps the real Obama was pretty obvious to some of you out there. But I cannot shake the whole image of legions of hopey-changemass troglodytes all swooning over "the one": during the campaign, after the election tally, fawing during his speeches from his Office of the President Elect, created new out thin air and pure smug... To my own friends, I'd railed against this man, but most of the Obama supporters in my circle, and I think quite a number generally, couldn't break free of the cult of personality. Individuals really ought to do a gut-check on those things, cults of personality almost always lead to terrible places.

      Alas, I was no better. With a twinge I voted McCain. I wasn't hung up on the man. I felt a little ill about my vote as I cast it, but saw him then as at least more likely to be slower-acting. I did not believe a vote on pure principle would work. I now realize this is what some in politics depend on.

      A small part of me is glad for our Obama presidency. It taught me to reject the last vestiges I had of American-style conservatism and embrace fully libertarian principles under the sound economics taught by the Austrian school. I was and am no Progressive, so I was never inclined to support someone like Obama. But I also learned over the last decade how Bush, who I thought was a good choice at the time (my Obama moment, if you will) was really a Progressive of a slightly different flavor. What a lesson on civic responsibility! I had no idea then what I was doing, mostly just hopes and impressions. To Obama supporters, I deserve your shame for my actions then. You perhaps deserve mine for your actions more recently.

      I take more time now. At the polling place, I think ballot measures, referendums, and initiatives of the various sorts are far more important now than candidate officeholders. The measures shape law we have to live under, and are usually written to catch you unaware or lend to an emotional bias. I never walk in to vote without having spent at least a week with the sample ballot beforehand, researching and reflecting. I resolve to vote on principle now, and did so last election season. I don't listen to the politicos who say votes for certain candidates are just thrown away. It seems to me, either one day those votes will number enough to matter, or we won't really need to worry about it.

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    14. Re:Obama nominee, of course by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      [Utah, 2012]
      "On behalf of all of us, I want to wish you a very happy birthday, sir. And the President called to convey his personal best wishes."
      "The President is ten points down. I want him replaced."
      "I don't think that's very wise, sir."
      "Thank you so much for your opinion; you're fired. Get rid of him. Wipe his memory, put him on the road someplace. Memphis, Minneapolis... somewhere beginning with M. So, the next President. What do you think? Republican or Democrat?"
      "Democrat, sir."
      "For what reason?"
      "They're... just so funny, sir?"

      --
      Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
    15. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      And how, pray tell, would this had been different if McCain were sitting in the Oval Office?

      Exactly. It wouldn't.

      Vote Republicrat for 2012! You can't lose!

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      ~X~
    16. Re:Obama nominee, of course by dkf · · Score: 1

      You think a republican majority would not have done the same?

      To be fair, the Republicans would have gone for a lawyer from Big Coal or Big Oil rather than Big Media. Not that this makes much difference, you understand.

      --
      "Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
    17. Re:Obama nominee, of course by andreyvul · · Score: 1

      There's a good probability that it was Biden in Obama's clothing...

      I'm not saying Obama without Biden might be better, but it would slowen the the corporacratic infestation of America.

      --
      proud caffeine whore
    18. Re:Obama nominee, of course by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      Lets look at it from Obamas perspective:

      The RIAA represents the recording industry collective. The recording industry has one goal, to make money. Now all of that money is important to the economy, they employ people, pay taxes, pay for goods and services etc.

      Now you have a bunch of people wittingly or unwittingly downloading their products for free robbing them of sales and threatening their income. That income is quite substantial and politicians whether they be Dems, Reps or whatever see that as a threat to the US economy. Remember the federal government is concerned with the country as a whole. They don't care if the RIAA is suing little girls and grandmothers, that money is peanuts and not even a blip on the economic radar. Yet if the recording industry were to go down, the economic impact would be substantial.

      So now your in charge of your country, what matters to you more: little girls and grandmothers being sued for thousands or corporations standing to loose hundreds of millions to billions? So when you have a position open to help fight those losses and someone comes along with the right credentials, who do you hire? Howell may be a cold uncaring vampire succubus but who better to defend the economic interests of the USAA? She is actually perfect for the job.

      In a political sense, Obama made the right choice whether we like it or not. And if it were anyone else, lets say McCain, he would have done the same thing. Its about protecting the wealth and power of the USA. We, the plebs, are just a bunch of little piss ant drones who fuel it. And if a few of us are squashed, who will notice?

      And on a side note: the RIAA suits are a scare tactic to keep people from downloading music, not a revenue stream. Do you really think the RIAA thinks it can fund itself by settling with people out of court for a few thousand bucks? Instead they will settle for whatever is in that persons piggy bank and move on. The idea is if the word gets out that your "$200 life savings that has to go toward this months rent or your going to be tossed out into the street" can be taken away by the RIAA for downloading Lady Gaga, people might think twice. Its called bullying.

      Note: I don't condone the RIAA harassment and suing perpetuated by their army of undead vampire shark lawyers. But lets be logical here. Music is part of our culture but it sold its soul to the corporate mindset long ago. Either learn to like it or stop listening to it. That or buy/download indy music that isn't part of the RIAA umbrella. And to those of you who like to ride the "but the artists only see pennies for each album sold" train, who gives a fuck about them? Honestly? Many of them are talentless soulless lime light whores who want attention and money. Yes there are many great RIAA musicians/bands out there but they signed the contracts. In the end its up to you to vote with your dollar, period.

    19. Re:Obama nominee, of course by nomadic · · Score: 1

      What I find baffling is this scorn heaped upon Obama's supposed cult of personality, particularly when those heaping scorn were silent during the George W. Bush years, when evangelicals, literally in many cases with tears in their eyes, hailed him as chosen by God. Literally.

      As for your libertarian comment, the Chicago school's policies are largely what caused the financial collapse.

    20. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So instead we have Obama, who has gone to war with Libya (without even bothering to consult Congress once), has appointed left-wing nutjobs to the EPA and Deparment of the Interior ("let's keep a de facto moratorium on offshore drilling even after the judge has thrown out our official moratorium and is about to hold us in contempt"), and has emboldened the Democratic party ("look how much debt we can run up and just blame all of the problems we created/are creating on Bush")

    21. Re:Obama nominee, of course by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      And those who were heaping scorn on Bush are awfully quiet right now. There are a few Democrats criticizing Obama, but compared to the constant "BUSH = HITLER" we saw for eight years, the Obama detractors are for all intents and purposes silent.

      In other words, politics as usual. FWIW, I wrote in Ron Paul. Couldn't stomach either of those corporate shills that R and D parties were trying to saddle us with.

    22. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't hold McCain responsible for "probably" though. Nice try. Not that I cared for the leathery old dude.

    23. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like a choice where the alternatives aren't "bad" or "worse".

    24. Re:Obama nominee, of course by drsmack1 · · Score: 1

      Because liberals are censoring fucks and that is how the moderation system is run here. Whatever they think about Obama, they will still race to protect their guy.

      Every thing you dumb fucks are complaining that Obama has done was perfectly predicted by conservatives. Not by magic or mind-reading! All you had to do was look at his life, look at his words, look at his associates, and look at his past actions.

      You are getting exactly what you fucking deserve you piece of shit.

      You voted for Obama because you are a child and you wanted to believe the magic story about how he was going to do the opposite of everything you childishly and naively railed against. Well fuck you and your paper thin intellect.

      You rail against Fox News? Go back three years and look who told you exactly what was coming. The other networks? I think they were still in Texas looking for Bush's military records. Conservatives TOLD you what he was - CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, and NPR told you that Obama was a moderate liberal with strong middle class roots.

      You don't know what is truth and what is not - you are soooo easy for the media to manipulate. They take the sometimes regrettable business of the adult world and say that everything bad in it is what you should vote against.

      You got sold a bill of goods because you are a child and you don't understand how the world works.

      You made your bed, now sleep in it. God knows we have to.

    25. Re:Obama nominee, of course by drsmack1 · · Score: 1

      hah on you.

    26. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Well that was colorful.

      So, bear with me a moment. If Obama is not a liberal, and people who like Obama have been modding you down for criticizing him, what makes you think they are liberals?

    27. Re:Obama nominee, of course by drsmack1 · · Score: 1

      You are a wonderful straight man - that kind of denseness cannot be taught. The true successor to Bud Abbott.

    28. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Suit yourself.

    29. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, all you YRO types who voted for Obama, this is what you get.

      It was pretty obvious Obama was not going to be particularly progressive where it counted. McCain, however, after his rightward lurch during the election would probably have gone to war with Iran, would have appointed right-wing nutjobs to the EPA, Department of the Interior, etc., and would have emboldened the Republican party for generations --"look how much we screwed the country up with Bush, and we still got re-elected, we can do anything!" So he was still worth voting for.

      McCain probably would have done all that and worse. And he probably would have croaked (he's ancient, and it's a stressful job) and left us with "I can see Russia!" Sarah Palin for president. Now that is a class A fucking nightmare!

    30. Re:Obama nominee, of course by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      after his rightward lurch during the election would probably have gone to war with Iran, would have appointed right-wing nutjobs to the EPA, Department of the Interior, etc., and would have emboldened the Republican party for generations --"look how much we screwed the country up with Bush, and we still got re-elected, we can do anything!" So he was still worth voting for.
      You're right of course, Obama was totally able to fix the Interior Department so that nothing bad happened...Oh wait. That's ok, b/c the peace loving senator who is not a warmonger won't totally attack another country without running by Congress, unless we've be attacked ourselves just like he said to Bush about bombing Iran...Oh wait. Well hey, Gitmo is closed and warrantless wiretaps are all fixed too... Oh bother.

      --
      I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
    31. Re:Obama nominee, of course by werdna · · Score: 1

      Too bad I had to post anon due to predictable mod abuse, because I am serious about this topic, not trolling.

      All evidence to the contrary. The issue at point obviously transcends party boundaries. When Orin Hatch chaired Senate Judiciary subcommittee on intellectual property in the 90s, it was the Republicans who led the RIAA charge against Grokster, and it was Leahy who shut down the Inducement of Copyright Act after a massive lobbying effort by public interest groups. The EFF, which could never be considered a conservative think-tank, has taken the front line in shutting down overreaching Copyright abuse.

      So, it would appear that the bold-faced (and somewhat bald-faced) effort to turn this into an anti-Obama issue is, in fact, just another troll

  13. Sooo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do conflicts of interest not affect judges?

  14. Re:Stop shopping with companies that employ the RI by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

    STOP BUYING THEIR MUSIC (and don't pirate it.) Sooner or later they will die away like any meme that has become bad..

    Or, they'll buy enough politicians to be able to simply sue all of us w/ internet connections. You know there's just no way we would stop buying their product without somehow stealing it. [rolls eyes]

  15. Great. They have a Cave Tro...err Judge. by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

    This is a bought and paid for judge. Not a doubt in my mind. Music war is on I guess. Pirate everything, leave them nothing.

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    Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
    1. Re:Great. They have a Cave Tro...err Judge. by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      Hell, there are whole classes of artists who are doing an end-run around the RIAA's megalopy. Pretty soon, they won't have much of anything to pirate that isn't already 20 years old.

      --
      One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / the next it's rolling over me / I can get back on / I can get back on
    2. Re:Great. They have a Cave Tro...err Judge. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Don't use you retarded view of the legal system as an excuse to break the law.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:Great. They have a Cave Tro...err Judge. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, you seem to be trying to act adult and make sense and all, let me share this piece with you: when you lower yourself to your opponent's level, you are attacking yourself.

      Do not get me wrong; you do (of course) have a point. OP leaves himself wide open for attack. Insulting him puts you in the same spot.

      (i.e.: you both suck :))

  16. yet another by Jodka · · Score: 5, Informative
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    Ceci n'est pas une signature.
    1. Re:yet another by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Yes. We do know now that Obama is a corpratist.

      But you have to admit it simply makes the tea party's positions MORE laughable, not less.

      Socialist indeed...

    2. Re:yet another by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      She is an Obama appointee. And not his first.

      I like a lot of Obama's campaign promises.

      His execution... not so much.

    3. Re:yet another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialists are Corporatist in a sense. They are simply favoring the government corporation over private corporation of the community. People get all their terms intermixed and confused because of the base words used.

      Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that views a community as a body based upon organic social solidarity and functional distinction and roles among individuals.

      Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

      Socialists seek to control the masses with the belief they do not know what is best for themselves, Corporatist's believe the masses are individuals to be dealt with as such. Socialism in basic concept is much like Communism in the sense that the basic idea isn't bad, but the implementation entails direct abuse of the individual. The will of the masses are crushed/purchased and conformed to the will of a smaller group who dictate what the social directive should be. While in the basic theory everyone would have a say, that simply can't happen at a larger scale, so a small body injects their special interest into a regulatory authority to implement their will. In context of history this tends to be done via social programs, social programming, and direct regulation.

    4. Re:yet another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I like a lot of Obama's campaign promises.

      His execution... not so much."

      You said a mouthful.

      I voted for Obama in the last election, but he has proven himself to be a liar and a stooge for
      far too much of what I wanted to see gone when Bush left office.

      Hey Barack, are you listening ? Now hear this :

      You've lost my vote in the next election. And almost all the people
      I know have similar opinions. You won't get another chance to make suckers
      out of the people who trusted you because they are going to vote AGAINST YOU.

    5. Re:yet another by purpledinoz · · Score: 1

      Let's face it, Bush and Obama are part of the same party, just with different names.

    6. Re:yet another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such as what? try to build your own opinion, distance yourself from the ignorant...

    7. Re:yet another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. We do know now that Obama is a corpratist.

      But you have to admit it simply makes the tea party's positions MORE laughable, not less.

      Socialist indeed...

      'Socialist' governments do end up as corporatist. Heavy regulations favor large corporations. You think our revolving door is bad, look at France...

    8. Re:yet another by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Oh! ...so then what's the problem?

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      "Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
  17. the USA needs some of what Egypt and Tunisia did by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    1789 style, throw the rich greedy bastards out of the country...

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  18. Re:Soon we all be very afraid to pirate by Firehed · · Score: 2

    goatse warning :(

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    How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
  19. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by PSandusky · · Score: 1

    That's a false duality. There is no reason that regulators can't listen to the industries they regulate as long as the industries aren't buying them trips, cars, vacations, etc...

    In terms of avoiding legal messes of the bribery kind, sure. In terms of objectively judging whether or not an industrial operation should or should not be doing something? Um... no. Industry does not tend to be more ethical with its information than it is with its money.

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    "What's the use in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes?" --Fourth Doctor, "Robot"
  20. I don't like where this is going. by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    Has anyone ever read the Science Fiction classic The Space Merchants or the more recent novel Jennifer Government? This is where we're headed...a society where consumers have no rights.

    1. Re:I don't like where this is going. by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      Jennifer Government was a spoof on libertarianism, not fascism.

      --
      In Liberty, Rene
    2. Re:I don't like where this is going. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Judging by the wikipedia article, it's a dystopia where ONLY consumers have rights. Looks kinda interesting, might have to give it a read.

    3. Re:I don't like where this is going. by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      True, it was libertarian in that the Federal Government was weak but the corporations had all the rights. Nike was able to assassinate one of its consumers, believing by some twisted logic that the assassination would increase market value of their product. In fact, murder and corporate espionage occured throughout the novel. The police were private-sector and only acted upon payment.

    4. Re:I don't like where this is going. by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      "it's a dystopia where ONLY consumers have rights. Looks kinda interesting, might have to give it a read." You read wrong. Both Jennifer Government and The Space Merchants are leftist-leaning. I read both novels recently and I assure you the consumer has no rights and ONLY corporations have rights

    5. Re:I don't like where this is going. by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      It is a great read as it describes a supposed libertarian dystopia.

      --
      In Liberty, Rene
    6. Re:I don't like where this is going. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Jennifer Government and The Space Merchants are leftist-leaning.

      In Jennifer Government, taxation and welfare are abolished, and government and education are entirely privatized. All public safety services are privatized, and only work under contract or pre-payment. Roads are privatized, weapons are no longer regulated. In other words, it's a modern Republican's wet dream, and it's painted as a dystopia. So yeah, saying it's left-leaning might be a bit of an understatement.

    7. Re:I don't like where this is going. by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Silly children and their fantasies. Many libertarians believe that corporations shouldn't exist at all. But if it helps you get through your sad little life pretending that everybody who thinks differently than you is wrong and evil, go right ahead. George Bush needs friends too. "You're either with us or against us." Amirite?

    8. Re:I don't like where this is going. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      From the description people only have rights if they have the money to pay for them; in other words, you only have rights you can pay for, thus only the consumer has rights.

  21. Stopped reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually started reading the article for once, and immediately regretted it after seeing this:

    The big question is why Judge Howell came to this conclusion. Although we can’t see inside her mind, ... [snip]

    All judge's are required to put their verdict into writing, with a clear explanation for why they came to a conclusion. I don't care what the rest of the article says if the author can't even be bothered to look up simple background information.

    1. Re:Stopped reading by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Generally they do, but they are not required to. I've seen plenty of judicial opinions where it's a single sentence just letting know which side they came down on.

  22. Shouldn't the judge be recused in such instances? by ausrob · · Score: 2

    I'm certainly no legal expert, but shouldn't a judge with such an obvious conflict of interest recuse themselves from such cases? I was under the impression that's what a judge is supposed to do if the judge can't adjudicate impartially?

  23. Re:Stop shopping with companies that employ the RI by PSandusky · · Score: 2

    Why sue everyone with an internet connection when you could just surcharge the connection? There are surcharges on blank discs and burners in various places on this planet, so why not start nickeling and diming at the source here?

    Eeurgh. I'm not so sure if it's more revolting that it's plausible or that there have been approximations of this already done successfully.

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    "What's the use in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes?" --Fourth Doctor, "Robot"
  24. Re:the USA needs some of what Egypt and Tunisia di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell Yea, When do we start ?.

  25. Conflict of interest much? by loufoque · · Score: 1

    See subject.

    1. Re:Conflict of interest much? by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      Unless the judge is still getting paid or owns an interesting the either of the parties involved.

      You really don't understand how lawyers operate. There is nothing here that indicates any other judge would have ruled differently. This is neither unexpected or shocking.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Conflict of interest much? by rhook · · Score: 1

      There is a clear conflict of interest here, it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the RIAA/MPAA is buying out the legal system. For instance, just take a look at who our copyright czar is.

    3. Re:Conflict of interest much? by Seumas · · Score: 1

      There is nothing here that indicates any other judge would have ruled differently, except for all the judges prior to her voicing dissent against the abusive use of the legal system by the RIAA?

      Also, of COURSE there is a conflict of interest. The same way there is a conflict of interest any time someone uses their position or power in government to eventually market themselves to private industry. Maybe if I do you favors with your legislation, you'll hire me away for big cash in a couple years. Or maybe I can get a really spiffy reward from a private company if I take a few years off from the industry to go push our agenda as an official in the government (a position that I can only get because of my supposed industry experience . . . erm . . . bias).

    4. Re:Conflict of interest much? by rhook · · Score: 2

      This is the consensus from everyone who has a clue.

      "Judge Beryl Howell received 415,000 USD from the RIAA for lobbying work, from 2005 to 2008, during her tenure at Stroz Friedberg LLC. This financing represents a potential conflict of interest for cases which involve copyright law."

      And just how do you think she got nominated? It wasn't by chance.

  26. Uh, crony capitalism != capitalism by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    Any more than a fraud = a contract. True conservatives want the crony capitalism cut off, because capitalism means taking risk, risk to fail, not be bailed out by Big Nanny. The Tea Partiers, while just casual, often first-time political participants, do understand this. No bailouts or special deals for cronies, like Obama's UAW peeps. This is what they ran on and why they won. To suggest Obama's corruption of the judiciary somehow lessens that message takes some seriously contorted reasoning.

    I'm not saying there aren't Republicans who have corporate cronies. I'm saying they aren't real conservatives. The current tension between the recently-sworn Tea Party members of Congress and the GOP old guard is evidence of this. Power corrupts. Which is why we should Amend the Constitution for term limits.

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    1. Re:Uh, crony capitalism != capitalism by Appolonius+of+Perge · · Score: 1

      True conservatives want the crony capitalism cut off

      True liberals want this too. In fact, I don't think you'll find anybody not paid to think otherwise who claims crony capitalism is a good thing.

    2. Re:Uh, crony capitalism != capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there aren't Republicans who have corporate cronies. I'm saying they aren't real conservatives.

      And don't even get me started about Scotsmen!

    3. Re:Uh, crony capitalism != capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah but instead of corporations fucking us the libs want the government to fuck us harder. That's lose-lose to me. I'll stick to a model where I have a more honest chance at a slice of the pie.

    4. Re:Uh, crony capitalism != capitalism by demonbug · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there aren't Republicans who have corporate cronies. I'm saying they aren't real conservatives. The current tension between the recently-sworn Tea Party members of Congress and the GOP old guard is evidence of this. Power corrupts. Which is why we should Amend the Constitution for term limits.

      Right, because term limits have worked so well in the past.

      Lots of people thought the same way you do, so here in California we implemented term limits for pretty much every elected position. Guess what? Now the only people who know how to get anything done are the paid lobbyists, as they are the only ones allowed to amass years of experience without changing jobs. The only thing term limits have accomplished is to give lobbyists more influence, and put politicians on a merry-go-round jumping from the house to the senate to X-random-elected-position.

      Term limits suck. The only solution is an educated, interested populace.

      So yeah, we're screwed.

  27. Appeal anyone? by davev2.0 · · Score: 1

    She did not recuse herself even though she lobbied on behalf of one side? Sounds to me like she gave them built-in grounds for appeal.

  28. been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Pol pot, Lenin, Castro, Mugabe, Mao...

  29. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if that weren't a false dichotomy I'd prefer a meddlesome regulator who follows the laws to the letter because he didn't "know anything about what he was regulating" to the lazy one that "knows which regulations don't need to be followed".

    Red tape may be annoying, but it's often there for a reason.

  30. Treason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plain and simple. Politicians should be hung when they do things like this, publicly, on the White House lawn.

  31. America isn't France by unassimilatible · · Score: 0

    Our revolution wasn't class-based, because in America, there is the opportunity for class mobility unlike in 1789 and present-day Europe. Two-thirds of the Forbes 500 did not inherit their wealth, BTW.

    Americans, unlike Europeans, don't hate rich greedy bastards. They just hate when they accrue their wealth and power in nefarious ways inconsistent with real capitalists, i.e., crony capitalism. In fact, the Tea Partiers, mocked as simpletons by the left, are ironically, quite clear about such a nuanced position. They didn't run on "no more rich!" They ran on, "no more bailouts!" IOW, no more crony capitalism, not no more capitalism.

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    1. Re:America isn't France by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Our revolution wasn't class-based, because in America, there is the opportunity for class mobility

      Go look up the stats on the recently.

      Americans, unlike Europeans, don't hate rich greedy bastards. They just hate when they accrue their wealth and power in nefarious ways inconsistent with real capitalists, i.e., crony capitalism. In fact, the Tea Partiers, mocked as simpletons by the left, are ironically, quite clear about such a nuanced position. They didn't run on "no more rich!" They ran on, "no more bailouts!" IOW, no more crony capitalism, not no more capitalism.

      No ones hates the rich for being rich, they hate them for how they got the money and how they abuse everyone with it. If you did not notice that is how they got those bailouts. The tea partiers are not that smart, they ran on "This is what the talking head told me to say, no more brown people".

    2. Re:America isn't France by scot4875 · · Score: 0

      Except the "nuanced" Tea Partiers don't seem to realize that it was Bush that signed the fucking TARP.

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    3. Re:America isn't France by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

      Our revolution wasn't class-based, because in America, there is the opportunity for class mobility

      Go look up the stats on the recently.

      I have. Those who work and save for their retirements are doing great. Put away a couple hundred a month for 25 years in a Roth, and you too can retire with a seven-figure nestegg. Those who stayed in the market and kept contributing are doing fine. There's plenty of opportunity out there if you want to put in the time and work.

      Americans, unlike Europeans, don't hate rich greedy bastards. They just hate when they accrue their wealth and power in nefarious ways inconsistent with real capitalists, i.e., crony capitalism. In fact, the Tea Partiers, mocked as simpletons by the left, are ironically, quite clear about such a nuanced position. They didn't run on "no more rich!" They ran on, "no more bailouts!" IOW, no more crony capitalism, not no more capitalism.

      No ones hates the rich for being rich, they hate them for how they got the money and how they abuse everyone with it. If you did not notice that is how they got those bailouts.

      I think you just restated what I said, other than slandering all rich people for what a few crony capitalists did. Did Apple and IBM and Oracle steal their money and get bailouts?

      The tea partiers are not that smart, they ran on "This is what the talking head told me to say, no more brown people".

      Oh please, nice slander, Mr. run-on sentence. That "Tea Partiers are racist line" is really getting old. Total bullshit.

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    4. Re:America isn't France by makomk · · Score: 1

      America has the worst class mobility in the Western world, more or less. What you really need to look at is how many of the Forbes 500 weren't from wealthy backgrounds already that helped them to "earn" that money.

  32. What is the process to impeach such a judge? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Is there a way to do something like impeachment or something to such a biased judge?

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    1. Re:What is the process to impeach such a judge? by sexybomber · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether "reeking so badly of corruption as to blanket a mile radius with the stench" constitutes bad Behaviour on the part of a Federal judge (U.S. Const. Art. III Sec. 1) and whether two-thirds of the Senate agrees with the proposition. (Art. I Sec. 3 cl. 6). Yeah, that's... not gonna happen anytime soon.

    2. Re:What is the process to impeach such a judge? by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      even though impeachment is most known for being used against presidents, it applies to federal civil officers more generally.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States even lists some federal judges who did get the boot in this manner.

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  33. *Sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's Jared Lee Loughner when you need him?

  34. Re:the USA needs some of what Egypt and Tunisia di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the whole country would fail, just like it was prophesied in "atlas shrugged"

  35. Bush, right? Not during Obama's reign, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is something that would have happened during the Bush years. Obama was going to change government and we'd become a file-sharing utopia. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  36. There is no actual conflict here... bias maybe. by sirwired · · Score: 1

    A large number of posters seem to be confusing bias (pre-determined unjustified favoritism towards one side or the other) with a Conflict of Interest. A Conflict of Interest is indeed a serious matter, and not disclosing them can lead to censure, having a caseload pulled, etc. However, a Conflict of Interest would require a *current* financial or personal incentive to rule for one side or the other. Merely having worked for one side or the other at some point in the past is NOT a Conflict of Interest. Judges are required to recuse themselves from individual cases they have personally worked, but she worked for the RIAA, and this particular suit was brought by the movie industry.

    Judges, by necessity are lawyers, and they will have of course worked for clients. We don't ask judges who worked in criminal defense (or prosecutions) to recuse themselves on civil liberties cases, nor can we demand a corporate lawyer recuse themselves from a case that happened to involve the same industry as one or more of his/her clients.

    1. Re:There is no actual conflict here... bias maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Justice is supposed to be impartial or, at least, have the appearance of impartiality. I think if the judge when practicing as an attorney advocated for one side of an issue, argued that side, wrote briefs, etc., and a case involves that issue, then the judge should recuse herself because she has necessarily already drawn a conclusion on an issue in the case at hand, whether the client is the same or different.

    2. Re:There is no actual conflict here... bias maybe. by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 1

      Justice is supposed to be impartial or, at least, have the appearance of impartiality.

      Actually, I'd rather it be impartial or, failing that, *obviously* not impartial. This isn't D&D. It's not more fun if you can immerse yourself in the fantasy. It's better to know the truth.

  37. It is borderline by Demena · · Score: 1

    If she has no current financial arrangement then she may not be _required_ to recuse herself but she most certainly should recuse herself. Caesar's wife and all that. Complaints should be made to the relevant bar associations and her acaedemic institutions. See where it goes from there.

  38. Re:Stop shopping with companies that employ the RI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What if I use blank discs to copy stuff other than music or movies? Should I pay for those download music and movies? How fair is it that the population must pay a private corporation even if the population doesn't use their product or service? I'm OK with taxes that go to the government but taxes to private industries is going way too far.

  39. Re:Stop shopping with companies that employ the RI by Seumas · · Score: 2

    Or they'll use their clout to whine so much about the supposed "piracy" that the government applies a federal "media" tax where everything that can or does hold any kind of content (from a blank journal notebook to a CD to a hard drive to web space) is taxed and filtered into the RIAA. And those artists who are not part of the RIAA can just eat a dick.

  40. Judge Howell is by Andronicus · · Score: 1

    WINNING!

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  41. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a false duality. There is no reason that regulators can't listen to the industries they regulate as long as the industries aren't buying them trips, cars, vacations, etc...

    your attorney is fucking your spoiuse. I'm sure you'd agree that your divorce will be equitably handled so long as they no longer have sex....

  42. only in your wildest wet dream, son. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if her past history would be something that the defense lawyers would be able to bring up as a cause for bias and a basis for appeal.

    You've assumed the defendant has money for the appeal. You assumed the defense attorney has the balls to risk contempt. You assumed that piece of work (yes, the judge) has enough decency to do the right thing.

  43. Common problem by KingAlanI · · Score: 2

    Yes, those who work in an industry logically tend to have valuable information on it.
    Of course, bias concerns stemming from that are just as logical.

    Another example is how repair personnel who often have the best grasp on what you need fixed are also the ones selling you the parts and labor to get it fixed.

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  44. Judge should have recused herself by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    I expect a very quick appeal due to the Judge most likely still having a personal stake in the issue and/or due to the past relationship she should have been recused.

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  45. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

    Yes, because if you're not already working in a given industry, you couldn't possibly know anything about it.

    And if you don't work in government, you shouldn't vote, right? After all, how can you know about something when you work in a totally different industry?

  46. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Welcome to fascism. Benito would be proud.

    Those that do not learn from history...

  47. Re:the USA needs some of what Egypt and Tunisia di by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    in case you've not noticed it has already failed and continues failing, bailouts in the billions, wars in the trillions, over 14 trillion dollar deficit, jobless recovery, even the mexicans have slowed down crossing the border because the economy is in the toilet, just how bad does it have to be for you before you consider it "failed"?

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  48. Re:Goatse Warning by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Why the sudden coordinated campaign for Goatse?

    Is someone making money off this?

    Acandemic note: The site of choice used to be the French one - now it's the Russian one.

    My current list of Russian Goatse links:

    http://tinyurl.com/63avlna
    http://tiny.cc/jg2wh
    http://goo.gl/zjJOI
    http://bologgingaway.blog.com/2011/03/29/post/

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  49. There's two parties at fault... by fostware · · Score: 1

    One, I would think that the judge would mention possible bias.

    Two, the defence lawyers should be requesting an alternate judge due to possible bias.

    Cos that's what defence lawyers are paid for.. aren't they?

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    1. Re:There's two parties at fault... by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      What defense lawyer? No one has been charged, accused or subpoena-ed yet?

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  50. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by WorBlux · · Score: 1

    Ignorance is preferable to bias and self-dealing any day.

  51. Re:Corporations by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I am no lawyer, but off the cuff,

    "Corporations being 'Sorta-People' " is an ___ year old fast and dirty solution to the earliest cheap tricks where a company would dissolve/cease to exist and therefore claim that it couldn't be sued. The whole "Sorta-People / Pierce the Veil" doctrine was a rough hewn step to avoid the dumbest of escapes by two bit sleaze artists.

    However, I agree there are tons of other problems now.

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  52. Re:Raise a Child by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "My mommy is a porn company and my daddy is 4chan".

    Think of the children!

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  53. I think they realized Bush wasn't on the ballot by unassimilatible · · Score: 1

    in 2010, and that Bush was not a small-government fiscal conservative. There's a reason the Tea Party freshmen members of Congress are feuding with the old guard GOP.

    And at least TARP was paid back. Don't look for that with Government Motors or especially the housing GSEs.

    But thanks for playing.

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  54. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People will be people as much as /. hates to admit it.

  55. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

    That's a false duality. There is no reason that regulators can't listen to the industries they regulate as long as the industries aren't buying them trips, cars, vacations, etc...

    Is there any evidence of an improper relationship between her and the RIAA after she terminated her employment with them? I RedTFA and I didn't see any mention of that. If you want to make an inference of corruption, "she used to work for them" is pretty weak.

    I wonder how many on /. complain when criminal defense or civil plaintiff's attorneys get appointed to the bench? Is this an even-handed criticism of "well, you represented X in the past, therefore you can't be a judge", which would apply equally to nearly everyone (and disqualify everyone from being a judge) or is it only people we don't like that get this treatment?

  56. It all comes back to Congress by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Congress truly wanted to prove themselves to the American people to be above it all they would ban any contribution of any kind from K-Street to any member of Congress or their families. Further more, they would forbid the same from ever working for such organizations. However I doubt this will come, it will take influence outside of the Democrat or Republican parties.

    Yet both are deft at playing people off each other, getting people to focus on the other party, which thereby keeps them in power. When groups rise up outside of their control you can tell as the media will line up and protect their investment, along with all the powers on Wall Street. The American public are only allowed to rise when commanded and when they dare do so on their own the entire establishment comes down in force. Unfortunately too many buy into it and side with the very people keeping them under the thumb of two political parties corrupt beyond repair.

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  57. I didn't say bias was a good thing by sirwired · · Score: 1

    I never said bias was a good thing. I merely said that this was NOT a conflict of interest, and that lawyers who become judges cannot be expected to recuse themselves from every case that might be related to a matter they have worked in the past.

    Also, a lawyer that has argued on one side of a case does NOT necessarily agree with their client.

    As I said in my last post, are lawyers who used to work criminal law recuse themselves from any case involving civil liberties? It's an issue that comes up in every criminal lawyer's career sooner or later, and briefs will be written and positions advocated for, because that is the lawyer's job.

  58. Re:the USA needs some of what Egypt and Tunisia di by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    1789 style, throw the rich greedy bastards out of the country...

    That's just a permanent foreign vacation in a tax-sheltering country. They're already doing that voluntarily: "Move to Zug for great tax shelter."

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  59. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    once told that DI water can't be discharged....

  60. Did anyone read her memorandum? by pankajmay · · Score: 1
    Wait a second...
    Did anyone above me here actually go through her legal memorandum in this case?


    I just finished a quick skim of her memorandum, and even though at present I have not formed an opinion on her conflict of interest in this case (I have yet to research her past from unbiased sources), it seems to me that her memorandum was not unduly biased towards the RIAA.
    Basically, she states these facts:
    • The defendants cannot be severed from this case at this juncture because of judicial efficiency, and the fact that the plaintiffs only have an IP address along with date and time requiring them to sub-peona Time Warner for the information of actual defendants. She determines that the burden of finding out the names and addresses of defendants would be far greater on the plaintiffs than Time Warner at this juncture of the case. Furthermore she opines that for the purpose of judicial efficiency she has to allow plaintiff's request, so there are not thousands of cases filed.
    • Even though the defendants are protected by the 1st amendment rights, this does not preclude the defendants from being identified. She says that the 1st amendment rights are unaffected at this juncture as the actual defendants have not been identified. (In effect -- freedom of speech does not mean that you can remain anonymous -- you have to take responsibility of your speech.)
    • Furthermore, Time Warner and others have stated that actions on the internet constitute expression that can be considered to be free speech. She denies this, because if she wouldn't, this implies that any act on the internet, especially concerning usage of files comes under free speech and you can remain anonymous, which would have been a sweeping judgement regarding all activities on the internet. So this would have been squashed under any judge.
    • Finally Time Warner has argued that her court does not have jurisdiction as the defendants are located in different places falling under different judicial scopes. She agrees with this, however she says that since the defendants have NOT been identified at this juncture, the question of jurisdiction is premature.

    In other words, she is agreeing to let the case proceed at the very least until the defendants are identified by name and address. She says that other questions can and should be answered after the defendants are named.
    Having read her opinion, I would not say she was overly biased against one party or the other. This is by no means a judgement against file-sharers and is just an order to let the defendants be identified at least, before the validity of the case can be judged.

    So, I have a hard time understanding the impulsive comments above -- read before accuse? (Oh but this is /.)

    1. Re:Did anyone read her memorandum? by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      It would be a greater burden on me to punch you in the face than on your neighbor -- does it give me the right to order your neighbor to punch you in the face?

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    2. Re:Did anyone read her memorandum? by pankajmay · · Score: 1
      Sure enough.
      Let me see if I get this right;
      you are free to do anything as long as:
      1. Identify yourself legitimately - so when I do litigate against you, I can identify you and of course the neighbor, if he/she listens to you.
      2. Accept that there are consequences for your actions.

      Now given those two conditions -- feel free to exercise your choice. Remember you DO have the right to commit your actions, but you do NOT have the right to deny my rights nor can you deny responsibility/consequences arising as a result of your actions.

    3. Re:Did anyone read her memorandum? by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      My whole point is that the request to identify the users was not legitimate in the first place.

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  61. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Foxes know everything about stealing hens, so that's why we've got them guarding the hen house.

    Apparently this is the thinking in government when appointing people to positions regarding oversight and making regulatory decisions. So what can go wrong?

  62. Corrupt Judicial System by namayake · · Score: 1

    These injustices done to us in the past decade at the hands of our government & corporations are just the exaggerated symptoms of a corrupt judicial system. Since the beginning, our judicial system has been designed to deny the masses the ability defend their rights. It's been engineered to guarantee only the wealthy the ability to obtain justice. It has done this by insuring no one except the wealthy can afford to hire attorneys & litigate. This point in particular is exemplified if litigation is to amend law & policy that is believed to violate one's rights. The majority of Americans cannot afford to litigate for this purpose, and that's exactly what Wall Street & their cronies in government have been banking on. They can pass law & policy that violate our civil & human rights en masse with little fear of lawsuits to hold them accountable. Until we have a judicial system that guarantees all people, regardless of income, the ability to appoint attorneys & litigate, our politicians will continue to have limited accountability for their actions. They will only continue to pass law & policy that violates our civil & human rights.

  63. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    s/people/disgusting crooks/g

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  64. I doubt it by Marrow · · Score: 1

    I doubt that another judge will agree to hear any appeals on the case. I think they mostly cover for each other when being accused of bias, less they be accused themselves down the line.
    The case might be appealed on other grounds, but not because of some unproven level of bias by the ruling judge. You have to submit evidence that she is biased. She can simply say that using her special prudence powers, she is immune from such petty motivations. God bless America and all that.

  65. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "If you want to make an inference of corruption, "she used to work for them" is pretty weak."

    No, it's actually rather strong., As she has had prior business interests with the RIAA as a lobbyist FOR the RIAA, she should have been 100% disqualified from hearing any file-sharing case.

    This is more than enough evidence to have the Federal Government investigate her. This is more than enough evidence for a citizen-initiated recall of the judge.

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  66. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is actually a good reason: the interests of common people aren't equally represented.

  67. Ron Paul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God we should have appointed Ron Paul as our president or maybe Mike Gravel.

    I am still waiting to see a "None of the above" option for our ballets where if it gets the majority, a new election must be held with all the current people running are not eligible to be in it so they must find a new set of people. Probably end up seeing like 10 straight elections held within the same year due to "None of the above" getting the majority of the votes every time cause then we would end up having people who aren't as willing to vote in the lesser of 2 evils when they can just remove both evils instead.

    And remove the electoral college and the first past the post voting system.

  68. Judge Cannot Spell R-E-C-U-S-E by hemo_jr · · Score: 1

    And should be impeached along with whomever appointed or voted to confirm her.

  69. Memorandum Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In case anyone felt the need to read the opinion before before trashing it (this is Slashdot, what am I saying?) It can be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/51383490/COTW-doc-no-40

    If you bother to read the opinion this is really about a preliminary joinder issue and doesn't really make any new law on the subject. It just pushes off some of the issues (such as improper joinder and personal jurisdiction) until a defendant is actually named in the suit. At which point the defendant may still assert these arguments and potentially get their case dismissed.

    Look, there is the possibility of bias for any judge. We don't prevent prosecutors or public defenders who later become judges from ruling on criminal cases. In fact, those judges may be more knowledgeable in those cases than their fellow jurists. Judge Howell puts forth rational legal arguments for her positions. Even if those arguments are not ultimately correct, you have to attack them for a logical failing, not simply allege bias because you don't agree with the ruling.

  70. Recusal, by definition by jeko · · Score: 1

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Recuse

    "When a judge is assigned to a case, she reviews the general facts of the case and determines whether she has any conflict of interest concerning the case. If a conflict of interest exists, the judge may recuse herself on her own initiative. In addition, any party in a case may make a motion to require the judge to recuse herself from hearing the case. The initial presiding judge usually determines whether or not the apparent conflict requires her recusal, and the judge's decision is given considerable deference. Some jurisdictions, however, require another judge to decide whether or not the presiding judge should be disqualified. If a judge fails to recuse himself when a direct conflict of interest exists, the judge may later be reprimanded, suspended, or disciplined by the body that oversees Judicial Administration. In addition, in some cases where a judge presides over a matter in which he has a direct conflict of interest, any criminal conviction or civil damage award in the case may be reversed or set aside.

    Generally, a judge must recuse himself if he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party to the lawsuit or has personal knowledge of the facts that are disputed in the proceeding. The Code of Judicial Conduct, a judicial ethics code drafted by the American Bar Association in 1972 and adopted by most states and the federal government, outlines situations in which a judge should disqualify himself from presiding over a matter. Canon 3C of the Judicial Code outlines these situations, including the judge's personal bias or prejudice toward a matter or its participants, personal knowledge of the facts that are disputed in a case, a professional or familial relationship with a party or an attorney, or a financial interest in the outcome of the matter. Most interpretations of the code mandate a judge's disqualification or recusal if any of these factors are present.

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  71. Are they not teaching basic civics any more? by jeko · · Score: 2

    freedom of speech does not mean that you can remain anonymous

    You do realize you're posting on /., home of the original AC, right?

    from http://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

    Anonymous communications have an important place in our political and social discourse. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment. A much-cited 1995 Supreme Court ruling in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission reads:

    Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.

    The tradition of anonymous speech is older than the United States. Founders Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers under the pseudonym "Publius," and "the Federal Farmer" spoke up in rebuttal. The US Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized rights to speak anonymously derived from the First Amendment.

    The right to anonymous speech is also protected well beyond the printed page. Thus, in 2002, the Supreme Court struck down a law requiring proselytizers to register their true names with the Mayor's office before going door-to-door.

    These long-standing rights to anonymity and the protections it affords are critically important for the Internet. As the Supreme Court has recognized, the Internet offers a new and powerful democratic forum in which anyone can become a "pamphleteer" or "a town crier with a voice that resonates farther than it could from any soapbox."

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    1. Re:Are they not teaching basic civics any more? by pankajmay · · Score: 1

      You raise a very important point to my post above. And I believe your point has to be taken into account.

      However, I believe that this case is bound to go above the level of district courts and out of her hands, on appeal or otherwise. An important questions that bothers me is that Time Warner, and others probably knew the Judge's name and obviously her past connections -- why didn't they file an appeal for conflict of interest before her memorandum?

      But nevertheless they probably still have the option now.

      As far as the question of anonymity is concerned, I am not sure where the right balance is. Can the right to anonymity be stripped if an involved party shows evidence of physical harm done? Where do you have a reasonable expectation to remain anonymous and where do you cross the line into identification?

      /.'s system also recognizes that taking responsibility of speech is an important factor, there is a reason why it is called Anonymous Coward, and why the default score starts at 0.

      Nevertheless, a lot of such questions need to be answered by the courts, especially in the new paradigm of technological shift.

  72. WHAT case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone find me a link to the case in question? I've noticed that the particulars that would help find the case's information on http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/ are absent from this article's summary and the articles it references.

    Why should I even believe this is a real case without proof? It wouldn't be the first time that a false and/or misleading summary has been posted here.

  73. WHAT case? by MisterJohnny · · Score: 1

    Can someone find me a link to the case in question? I've noticed that the particulars that would help find the case's information on http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/ [uscourts.gov] are absent from this article's summary and the articles it references. Why should I even believe this is a real case without undeniable proof? It wouldn't be the first time that a false, misleading and/or scare-mongering summary has been posted on slashdot.

  74. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

    Alright. Let's suppose we accept your ground rules.

    Now to be fair, we also need to diqualify former attorneys for an environmental advocacy group from hearing any environmental-law cases. After all by your standard, a EAG attorney can be inferred to have just as much of a bias with regards to an environmental case as an RIAA attorney with regards to a file-sharing case. And likewise for union lawyers, corporate lawyers, white-collar-defense lawyers, prosecutors, defense counsel ....

    In fact, there's no limiting principle here at all -- any work on behalf of a former client would be enough to throw a judge off a particular case merely because they share some aspect of law.

    [ Oh, and you have no idea how Federal law works. There is no citizen-initiated recall of Federal judges, nor any power to 'investigate' judges (as that would be patently abusive). Only the House/Senate can bring impeachment articles. ]

  75. Model Code of Judicial Conduct by Steve1952 · · Score: 1

    http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/migrated/judicialethics/ABA_MCJC_approved.authcheckdam.pdf

    RULE 1.2

    Promoting Confidence in the Judiciary. A judge shall act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the independence,* integrity,* and impartiality* of the judiciary, and shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety.

  76. Who watches the er, judgemen? by TiggertheMad · · Score: 1

    But who would hold a judge accountable? Another judge?

    yeah that raises a good point. If a lawyer did something that has this kind of conflict of interest, they would be dis-bared. Who or what dis-bars a judge? Isn't there some kind of judicial ethics oversight committee that will come down on this stupid bint for even ruling on the case?

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  77. Yeah, soon it will be so bad... by jeko · · Score: 2

    ...we'll have to grab twelve random schmoes off the street to decide cases for us.

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    1. Re:Yeah, soon it will be so bad... by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      ...we'll have to grab twelve random schmoes off the street to decide cases for us.

      Even those 12 shmoes can't run a courtroom or rule on motions for themselves. There is a role for a judge and a role for a jury.

      NB that in TFA we are still in the preliminary phase before a jury is ever empaneled or evidence presented.

  78. appearance of bias by johncandale · · Score: 1

    Ummmm. That is not the point. Whether she acted biased or not, she should have excused herself from the case. If nothing more then to avoid the appearance of bias. It's basic procedures in a non-corrupt system.

    1. Re:appearance of bias by pankajmay · · Score: 1

      Ummmm. That is not the point. Whether she acted biased or not, she should have excused herself from the case. If nothing more then to avoid the appearance of bias. It's basic procedures in a non-corrupt system.

      True, and I do not deny that. But it is important to actually read her opinion too before we come to a conclusion that she has obviously acted in a biased way. Note that I do not make any assertion as to her pre-existing bias in this case, I merely wrote a factual post that contains excerpt from her opinion, noting that her decision does not appear to be an overt bias.

  79. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by ildon · · Score: 1

    They learned how to get away with it.

  80. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by mjwx · · Score: 2

    That's a false duality. There is no reason that regulators can't listen to the industries they regulate as long as the industries aren't buying them trips, cars, vacations, etc...

    This points out what most Americans and all Libertarians fail to understand about regulation.

    Regulation is not "the man" tying the hands of the "free market(TM)". Regulation is supposed to ensure that an industry can run properly, produce products as well as being profitable and competitive.

    Proper regulation brings in more competition and allows for better products or lower prices. Part of this is listening to the industry, who have a list of their problems and wants, part of this is listening to the customers who have a list of their problems and wants then to figure out what is the best course of action to ensure that both sides can get as much of what they want as possible. Often the best course of action is nothing but not always.

    Regulation often helps businesses, by limiting liability or preventing supply shortages/abuses sometimes even as far as to fix prices for supply and disallowing below cost prices to force competitors out of business. Complaints about regulation more often then not come from corporations and entities who are attempting to do something that is not in good faith (I.E. squeeze out competitors).

    Those people who froth at the mouth with "blerg, regulation is bad(TM)" blanket statements are idiotic. They dont take into account the actual situation. Bad regulation is bad, good regulation is good, blanket statements based on inflexible philosophies are useless.

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  81. Re:Stop shopping with companies that employ the RI by mjwx · · Score: 2

    STOP BUYING THEIR MUSIC (and don't pirate it.) Sooner or later they will die away like any meme that has become bad.

    You're assuming they'll be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure this out.

    Given the fact that they've stated there are 200,000 more pirates then internet connections in Australia I doubt it (23 million population). They didn't even bother to look up stats publicly available on the ABS web site (Australian Bureau of Statistics) before pulling some horrifying looking numbers out of their arse.

    The only way to beat them is at the courtroom. The more court cases they can lose the more it costs them. Barring that you have to go to the laws themselves. Make it expensive for them to sue John and Jane Doe's. This is why they haven't tried to sue the millions of Filthy Pirates(TM) in Oz, our normally woeful libel and deformation laws would bankrupt them in a month.

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  82. Clarification by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    How are the thousands of defendants supposed to do anything when they don't know who they are yet? Who was the opposing lawyer? Was there even one at all?

    You're making the classic mistake of confusing extortion for justice.

  83. She should be taken off the case by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    >lobbying for the recording industry during the time period when the RIAA
    Conflict of interest if I ever heard of any....if she is pure pro RIAA doing these things, that means she is biased, and will not give a fair trial to the case.

  84. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't fascism, learn what that is then read some history.

  85. Only option at this point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is jury nullification. Spread the word.

  86. some examples by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

    My father:
    Family lost their farms, not a ton of opportunity (oh what that land in Napa valley would be worth.....). Joined the Air Force, wound up at West Point. After going back into the Air Force he worked for a major insurance company and retired as an executive. Invested his entire life and has a couple million to his name.

    My maternal Grandfather
    Grew up near the coal mines, worked in coal and steel. Was able to get into college and went on to med school. Retired as a columbia medical school professor, head of a department at a famous teaching hospital and invested well with a couple million.

    Both started in the lower class and by late life certainly were upper middle to upper class.

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  87. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by bgowing · · Score: 1

    Stupid argument. Attorneys are allowed to be biased in favour of their customers' interests. Judges should be impartial. You do know that there is a difference between an attorney and a judge?

  88. Judges and cops are the criminals of today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, the "system" protect both groups so they can be as crooked as can be, and it's almost impossible to take them down. They have exempted themselves from the laws others have to live by, so they are used to being "above the law"...

  89. Re: 24/7/365 by Rhodri+Mawr · · Score: 1

    I've always hated the phrase 24/7/365.

    24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 weeks a what? Approximately 7 year period?

    Please, just stick to 24/7.

  90. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

    Stupid argument. Attorneys are allowed to be biased in favour of their customers' interests. Judges should be impartial. You do know that there is a difference between an attorney and a judge?

    You do know that nearly all judges are appointed from the ranks of practicing attorneys.

  91. What will the consequences of this ruling be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people are focusing on the conflict of interest, but what will the real effects of this ruling be? Does this mean that, as of the date of the ruling, the RIAA will be able to send out blanket suits to anyone whose IP shows up in any type of filing sharing?

  92. Re: 24/7/365 by n3xg3n · · Score: 1

    60/60/24/7/52/10/10

  93. Re: 24/7/365 by Rhodri+Mawr · · Score: 1

    60/60/24/7/52/10/10

    52 and one seventh, or two sevenths in a leap year, please.

  94. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by asdfman2000 · · Score: 1

    The argument I always hear from Libertarians is that regulation is bad because eventually, regulatory organizations are taken over by the industries they're supposed to regulate thus providing entrenched government power for said industry, elbowing out competition.

    You know, exactly like what everyone is complaining about on this article.

  95. RIAA revolving door screaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jeez - you need expertise on technical cases. Where's it gonna come from? A parallel universe? Look at her arguments, see what's really fair and if there is EVIDENCE of bias before going of on knee-jerk double-barrel shotgun blasts of generalized rhetoric. That is foolish. She may be a great judge. Maybe these cases were no-brainers that she supported. Maybe not. Look at evidence first.

  96. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

    Not attorney, lobbyist. Think the difference is important. And yes, it should be applied to all lobbyists who become judges, regardless of their cause.

  97. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "..whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

    Forget that part of the Preamble to the Constitution? That's pretty explicit permission to do exactly that.

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  98. Re:the alternative to the revolving door, of cours by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

    Yes, because if you're not already working in a given industry, you couldn't possibly know anything about it.

    Well, from the frame of reference that most politicians have, this is probably quite logical.

    I get the impression that most of them are the type that need 3 years of schooling on any subject before they have a decent grasp of it. That's why they can't understand backyard mechanics, why it's now illegal for farmers to administer medications to their own animals, and a bunch of other stupid shit.

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