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Apple Causes Religious Reaction In Brains of Fans

satuon writes "In a recently screened BBC documentary called 'Secrets of the Superbrands', UK neuroscientists found that the brains of Apple fans are stimulated by images of Apple products in the same areas as those triggered by religious imagery in a person of faith. According to the scientists, this suggests that the big tech brands have harnessed, or exploit, the brain areas that have evolved to process religion."

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  1. Apple Stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not sure if I'm alone, but every time I walk past an Apple Store I'm terrified one of the staff is going to come out and offer me a free personality test.

    1. Re:Apple Stores by Posting=!Working · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you walked in the store, you passed the test.

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    2. Re:Apple Stores by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Should be modded insightful. Yes, the whole Apple culture/worldview/aura is very L. Ron Hubbardesque.

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    3. Re:Apple Stores by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's also amusing how much of a religion opposing Apple seems to be. I have to wonder if the grand irony is lost on you haters.

    4. Re:Apple Stores by poity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also notice how cathedral-like those Apple stores are -- glass to harness the ethereal, wooden altars to exalt the immaculate, and "genius" acolytes to guide you on the path to salvation (from PC original sin).

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    5. Re:Apple Stores by mr1911 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is funny to see how the Slashdot community loves to bash Apple and those that use Apple products. Read some of the comment threads bashing MS and singing the praises of [insert alternate OS here] or hyping Android over iOS.

      It is easy to see the fault in others, but a more difficult proposition when looking in the mirror.

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    6. Re:Apple Stores by tangelogee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's also amusing how much of a religion opposing Apple seems to be. I have to wonder if the grand irony is lost on you haters.

      ...kind of how Atheism is as much of a religion as religion itself?

    7. Re:Apple Stores by HunterD · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Damn, this is turning out to be exactly like dealing with christians as an atheist:

      Them:
      "Your lack of belief in a god is a religion"

      Me:
      "Defining a lack of a belief in something as a religion is broken"

      When are people who are a part of the faithful herd (regardless of the faithful herd) going to accept that not being a member of your religion is not a leap of faith?
      (Answer: never)

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    8. Re:Apple Stores by Bemopolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, whenever I use Windows I am convinced of the absence of a just and loving God.

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    9. Re:Apple Stores by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Atheism is a "religion" as much as religions are religions

      The (obvious) problem with this is that there are about 100 atheists in the world who actually give a shit enough about atheism or religion to proselytize it, compared to millions of god-lovers who won't just leave the rest of us alone.

    10. Re:Apple Stores by i_ate_god · · Score: 3, Informative

      Atheism isn't a religion, but it is a leap of faith nevertheless. You are basically saying, without any proof, that god doesn't exist at the same time as a preacher is saying, without any proof, that god does exist, and neither of you have really defined who or what God is.

      So yeah, keep pretending you're different from theists...

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    11. Re:Apple Stores by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How so? Atheism is hardly a religion, it's simply the term for anybody that doesn't believe in God or really any paranormal phenomenon.

      Calling atheism a religion is simply a method of subjugating those that choose not to buy into all that religious stuff.

    12. Re:Apple Stores by hedwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you considered that perhaps there's a reason for that? Apple gets bashed for doing some pretty nasty things. And the bashing gets even more savage as a result of the fanboyism that's common. There's plenty of Apple fanbois who can't accept that the iPod was simply the next step in portable music player technology, and that the coveted menu interface was ripped off from Creative. Pretty much the only thing about the iPod that was actually innovative was the wheel and white coloring, all the rest of it had been done before by somebody else.

      Likewise with iOS, I don't see many people claiming that the iOS itself sucks, all the complaining I see is about how Apple takes all the control from the owners and tells people what they may and may not install on their devices, unless the owners jailbreak their device and void the warrant in the process.

    13. Re:Apple Stores by xaxa · · Score: 2

      Atheism is not "lack of belief in a god", atheism is the belief that there is in fact no god. Agnosticism is "lack of belief in a god".

      Common misconception, even among atheists, I've found.

      Incorrect.

      Strong atheism is the firm belief that there is no god or gods.
      Weak atheism is the lack of any belief in god/s, perhaps through age (e.g. a young child) or deciding that the responsibility is on theists to provide evidence for their beliefs, and this hasn't been provided.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_and_strong_atheism might help.

    14. Re:Apple Stores by KreAture · · Score: 2
      Actually, it is more of a insight/confirmation that Apple is playing on religion.

      People who are weary/sceptic of religions will naturally resist Apples promotions as they identify them by the same signals as other religions.
      The feeling a sceptic gets when he is bombarded with Apple adverts is akin to the feeling from other religious groups making him fight vigorously for his free will. Nothing wrong with that is there?
      There are a lot of paralells too, maby even more to a sect or cult than a "normal" religion. I speak ofcource of the classical "lack of user control is a good thing" and "Apple knows best" ideology. Note also that whenever a religion acknowledges a new thing it's always the prime forcus for a while. Just like Apple when doing slight alterations to a existing principle; it's always the greatest thing since toast.

      I remember my Compaq iPaq with fondness. I could install whatever I wanted on it, and it worked with standard peripherals. Looking at an iPad I see a enlarged screen, a new gui and all my options removed.

      Oh well. Guess I'm a doubter then.

    15. Re:Apple Stores by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

      It may just be the part of the country I live in, but I've been prostelytized by atheists far more often then christians.

    16. Re:Apple Stores by index0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      When Apple and Creative had their mp3 players out, one was the size of a deck of cards and the other was the size of a portable cd player http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Creative_Nomad_Jukebox_(DAP).jpg . THAT is why one was more popular than the other.

    17. Re:Apple Stores by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The motto of the Apple fanboi -- "Oh, I'm not a fanboi, I just happen to own a lot of Apple equipment [and coincidentally take every opportunity I can to defend Apple no matter what they do]"

    18. Re:Apple Stores by enderjsv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really though. Saying something does exist is not the same as saying something doesn't exist. If I said there are no such thing as purple monkeys who drive cars, the lack of evidence suggesting their existence would satisfy most people, especially as the claim is significantly outrageous. However, if I said there WERE purple monkeys who drive cars, people would become far more skeptical.

      Lack of evidence that something exists IS a type of evidence that it doesn't exist. It's not full proof, of course, but if it's the only evidence one can go by, it's better to regard it than disregard it and claim the opposite. If that wasn't true, then all kinds of claims could be made including my purple monkey statement and it'd be just as reasonable to say "well, you can't prove it DOESN'T exist, so you're a fool for denying my claim that it does".

    19. Re:Apple Stores by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I see is that many geeks reduce Apple's efforts down to "simply" this or that. "Apple is all about marketing." In your analysis of the iPod, you've reduced the important contributions to "simply" the color and the wheel. I think many here on Slashdot still don't accept or understand is that Apple does not design their products for us; the target market is general consumers. Thus in your analysis you've ignored the features of the iPod that made it successful for general consumers.

      With the iPod, focused more on usability than technical specs that geeks love. For example it was small and could hold a great deal of music. Before the iPod you had to choose between the two with competitors. Apple also shifted the mindset from a file-based system to a media based one. For geeks, they don't see a difference. For an average consumer who considers their desktop as their filesystem, removing the minutiae of having to deal with files increases usability.

      None of these things were ground breaking from a geek's perspective. To an average consumer, it was magical. While geeks dismiss them as "inevitable" the question is why did virtually none of Apple's competitors do it first?

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    20. Re:Apple Stores by DinDaddy · · Score: 2

      Except unlike scientology, Apple doesn't try and get as much money out of you as ... er wait

    21. Re:Apple Stores by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're painting all atheists with the gnostic atheist brush. Most atheists are agnostic/soft/implicit atheists. That is, they don't claim to know weather or not a god exists, but they think it likely that none do.

    22. Re:Apple Stores by Posting=!Working · · Score: 2

      Belief in evolution DOES NOT imply atheism, just a brain that can accept logic. Many religions (including Catholics) believe in evolution.

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    23. Re:Apple Stores by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Atheism isn't a religion, but it is a leap of faith nevertheless. You are basically saying, without any proof, that god doesn't exist at the same time as a preacher is saying, without any proof, that god does exist, and neither of you have really defined who or what God is.

      So yeah, keep pretending you're different from theists...

      Not even the same ballpark in leaps of "faith".

      - One prediction has a long standing history of being proven wrong on all the small details so why would I believe the biggest lie of all.

      - The other prediction is a logical extension of everything I've learned up until now regarding how the physical universe works.

    24. Re:Apple Stores by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're not bashing Apple or their products. We're bashing the culture of Apple-Fandom. Yes, other OS's have their fanboys, too. However, my impression of Microsoft product users is most use it simply because they have to. I know of very few MS Windows users who cream their jeans and sing high praise of Microsoft. Apple has shortcomings too, mainly that Apple products are expensive and customers are forced to use Apple hardware. I'm mainly a Linux user...and yes, Linux has its fanboys too and each distro has its own cult following.

    25. Re:Apple Stores by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2
      I wrote an article expressing a similar view a couple months back. It goes beyond having an opinion (as one reply to you claims). People express a vitriolic hatred for brands that are "opposed" to their brand (as well as for the people who use them) . It is as strong or stronger than the support they show for their own brand. Similarly otherwise logical people will be blind to flaws in their product - until those flaws have been fixed, at which point it becomes another point to demonstrate the superiority of their brand. (and they seem to miss the irony in this since the typical response to criticism before the feature is available is "who needs anyway?"). It's not apple or android or ford or chevy or intel or amd - -it's identification with any brand.

      I have no doubt that it involves the same parts of the brain as religion. But let's not confuse someone who uses and likes a brand with the same type of response as the religious one. I think that most people - those who do not spend time contributing to what amounts to online fan clubs - just get what suits them and use it without thinking about it too much; and it's unlikely that you'll see the same level or type of response in them.

    26. Re:Apple Stores by flappinbooger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was at the apple store in Sacramento CA and I struck up a conversation with one of their door people, who by the way was bizarrely gender-neutral.

      I said I was involved in IT and PC's and asked about their repair desk and how it was different.

      They said that the priority #1 of the help desk personnel is to ensure the well-being of the customer. Make sure they are happy, not stressed, calmed, not worried about the damaged product.

      The well-being of the customer paramount over actually fixing the product.

      Huh. Makes sense.

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    27. Re:Apple Stores by Teknikal69 · · Score: 2
      Strange but true:

      There is only one Apple Store where I live and I went into it once and only once to buy an Ipod Touch, when I enquired I was told they had none in stock. This wasn't anytime near a release of a new model or any demand for them. I just don't get how they can only sell a few things yet not actually keep them in the shop to buy.

      It seemed like a really strange place were some seriously strange looking people were just staring at the displays like zombies I have to admit I felt uncomfortable just being in there.

      So as an actual shop I think they are completely useless I did buy one that day by the way about 30 meters around the corner in a real Electronics shop. I also picked up a non apple netbook at the same time.

      I do like my Ipod and do use it a lot but it's the only apple product that appeals to me although I do love my gadgets and toys.

    28. Re:Apple Stores by ZaphDingbat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh? Who is the head of atheism? What dietary restrictions do we have? Special days of the week? Buildings we meet in? Perhaps you can name any facts we're conveniently ignoring because we simply want to believe what we believe?

    29. Re:Apple Stores by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Atheism is as much a religion as not-stamp-collecting is a hobby. Atheism is a lack of belief and for many atheists, its more an acknowledgement of science. When Atheists refer to "God", they are usually talking about the supernatural God of Abraham shared by both the New Testament, Old Testament and K'uran but it refers to any supernatural God of any religion.

    30. Re:Apple Stores by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      No. If you "troll" a group, you are bound to get a response.

      Not everyone has a high bullsh*t tolerance. It's safe to say that Slashdot and similar forums just have a higher than average proportion of anal retentives.

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    31. Re:Apple Stores by Teun · · Score: 2

      That 'religion' is often called Humanism.

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    32. Re:Apple Stores by Bongo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes it is called architecture and design. It says, these products are clean, modern, convenient. And the main point about the layout is that each table invites you to go over and look at stuff and play with stuff. That's why there's so much space. That's why Regent Street has a wide open space when you enter -- it is a breath of air from the busy street.

      Honestly, it is like geeks find design and aesthetics to be an affront to their sensibilities or something. And yet, do people sneer at beautifully designed sports cars? Beautiful women?

      The key is this: yes you can make the store temple like, advertise humanistic values, a clean aesthetic. That's to get you to come in. But if what's on the tables is shit and non functional, people WILL leave. Great packaging can't make up for crappy functionality. People leave in a heartbeat.

    33. Re:Apple Stores by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2

      Theism makes a statement that cannot be proved or disproved by the actions of humans: There is at least one god.
      Atheism makes a statement that cannot be proved or disproved by the actions of humans: There are no gods.
      Agnosticism makes the statement that neither of the above can be proved or disproved by the actions of humans, and therefore there may or may not be a god, and we have no way to tell.
      Agnosticism is the only "purely rational" choice. That said, atheism requires simpler assumptions than theism (no unobservable beings that act outside the laws of the universe) and could be said to be "more" rational than theism. It is logical to assume agnostic atheism: We have not observed a god, and see no direct evidence of such a being, therefore it probably does not exist, and until such time as it is observed we can make the simplifying assumption that it does not exist.
      And then there are people like me, the Pandeists. God is the universe and the laws thereof. This is very different from an interfering, theistic god.

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    34. Re:Apple Stores by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Atheism is a rejection in the belief of deities. So, simply not believing in a god is in fact atheism. Your interpretation is not universal though you seem to confidently assert it to be such.

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    35. Re:Apple Stores by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      This is because they don't repair Apple products. They merely give you a replacement. Sometimes it's just a temporary replacement while you wait 4 to 6 weeks for your product to be fixed, but they know eventually you'll just say "screw it, I'll keep the replacement".

      Thus the Apple store personnel are relieved of the responsibility of actually fixing the products, and so their only remaining job is to try to keep the customers calm and prevent them from going into rages that would drive away potential converts.

    36. Re:Apple Stores by AJH16 · · Score: 2

      I agree with most of what you said, but would argue that an atheist who says they do not believe there is a god because they have not seen evidence of one but are open to the idea are not really truly atheists, but rather agnostics. I would agree that any particular theism requires more assumptions, but it becomes a whole different philosophical debate over what constitutes rationality in philosophy. One could argue that personal experiences could make it more rational to believe there is a particular god if your experiences seem to be in line with it, but because it is based on belief and philosophy and not science and is not measurable, there is no real way to determine which is more rational. (Though clearly blind adherence to any view is not rational.)

      Ironically, my view of the Christian God actually runs fairly close to yours with exception that I think he is interested and involved, but I see God in the universe and the laws thereof and really view the Biblical version of hell as simply being the removal of God from maintaining anything. (A world with none of what we generally see as order in the universe and the people going there being given what they want (to be on their own independent from God.) And heaven being a world free of entropy and decay, working in perfect balance. It gets a little more complicated than that, but at it's simplest I've found that that view seems to be consistent with Biblical theology.

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    37. Re:Apple Stores by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2

      That's why I called it "agnostic atheism" as opposed to "agnostic theism" (The existence or nonexistence of god cannot be proven, but let's believe anyway because...) or "gnostic atheism" (It's possible to disprove the existence of god, here's the proof. (not really the right use of the term gnostic)) or "gnostic theism" (It's possible to prove the existence of god, here is proof.
      I didn't say I think of god as uninvolved. I said god isn't interfering. I think of god as inherently involved. Just as I am quite involved with my body, so is god involved with its existence as the universe. Just as I don't speak individually to the cells of my pancreas, so god does not speak to people. That said, I am a Discordian, so God is a Woman named Eris and She can be a real Bitch sometimes. Why? Because I chose to "believe" that, and the idea of nonsense as the key to salvation amuses me. And I like entropy. Sure, it means the eventual end of all things if the universe is a closed system, but everything we do depends on the transfer of energy, and thus increasing entropy. A world with perfect order and 0 entropy would be a totally static singularity. My idea of heaven isn't a black hole. Of course maximal entropy (heat death of the universe) is just as bad.



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  2. And this is news how? by jarich · · Score: 4, Funny

    Old news for anyone who's spent time around Apple users. Just saying. ;)

  3. I'm an atheist but... by bytethese · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Jobs, who art at Apple, awesome be thy name...

    1. Re:I'm an atheist but... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As an atheist myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that - I consider the concept of religion to be toxic), I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in rabid Linux users, or rabid Windows users (although admittedly they're a lot harder to find). The article and summary are heavily focused on Apple, but the core content of the article (and yes, summary) states that it's more about it being a brand that people do build up a "religious" feeling towards.

      As an Apple user (typing this on a MacBook Pro) AND as a Linux user, AND as a Windows user for work, I really am quite certain I wouldn't have these kinds of reactions in my brain to seeing Apple logos. i.e. I am not an "Apple devotee" as the article puts it. I do however suspect you'd see these reactions in my brain for the things I am truly passionate about (sometimes irrationally) such as showing me a Dvorak layout keyboard; a linguistic tree; or the flag of my home country. Note that I don't consider myself "excessively" devoted to any of these things, but I can imagine it would trigger something (these things all do trigger an emotional response for example).

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    2. Re:I'm an atheist but... by bytethese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As an atheist myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that - I consider the concept of religion to be toxic), I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in rabid Linux users, or rabid Windows users (although admittedly they're a lot harder to find). The article and summary are heavily focused on Apple, but the core content of the article (and yes, summary) states that it's more about it being a brand that people do build up a "religious" feeling towards.

      I agree, I would think that Linux or Windows devotees would generate the same scans too.

      As an Apple user (typing this on a MacBook Pro) AND as a Linux user, AND as a Windows user for work, I really am quite certain I wouldn't have these kinds of reactions in my brain to seeing Apple logos. i.e. I am not an "Apple devotee" as the article puts it. I do however suspect you'd see these reactions in my brain for the things I am truly passionate about (sometimes irrationally) such as showing me a Dvorak layout keyboard; a linguistic tree; or the flag of my home country. Note that I don't consider myself "excessively" devoted to any of these things, but I can imagine it would trigger something (these things all do trigger an emotional response for example).

      I'm definitely an Apple fan (not a fanboy) since I switched in 2006. I weighed my options for a laptop when I went back to school to finish my undergrad degree, and chose the MacBook Pro. I also went from a "candybar" regular cell phone to the original iPhone, and have sold each old iPhone and upgraded to new ones as given the cost to upgrade, was worth it to me. I also bought my iPad (great supplemental and travel device) but given the cost and features, I didn't upgrade. I also don't own any other Apple products as I have found other offerings (routers, NAS, etc) to be superior. Nothing wrong with liking Apple and their products I say, as long as you make the rational decision behind owning the product.

    3. Re:I'm an atheist but... by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

      As an atheist myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that - I consider the concept of religion to be toxic), I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in rabid Linux users, or rabid Windows users (although admittedly they're a lot harder to find).

      As an internet troll myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that) I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in atheists when they see a picture of Dawkins, a smug and self-satisfied French existential movie or a first edition of Origin of the Species.

      *ducks, runs*

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    4. Re:I'm an atheist but... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2

      As an atheist myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that - I consider the concept of religion to be toxic), I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in rabid Linux users, or rabid Windows users (although admittedly they're a lot harder to find).

      As an internet troll myself (and a relatively "strong" one at that) I wouldn't be surprised to see the same reaction in atheists when they see a picture of Dawkins, a smug and self-satisfied French existential movie or a first edition of Origin of the Species.

      *ducks, runs*

      Really, the *ducks, runs* probably wasn't necessary, as you DO make a valid point. There are a lot of atheists out there who do in fact treat it religiously. While I'm comfortable saying that I do in fact consider anyone who TRULY believes in some kind of invisible sky god to be borderline clinically insane, I do not count myself amongst that type of atheist. I don't go around "preaching" atheism at people, and certainly do not get "excited" by atheist ideas - to me it's simply "basic reality" and about as exciting as the basic reality of a teaspoon (cue "there is no spoon" replies).

      As a side note, my wife is religious, however the relatively "weak" kind - she says she's a christian, but when pressed about it will admit to not accepting any of the wilder stories in the bible (including the most fundamental concept of the resurrection of Jesus); says she can't be "sure" if there's a God or not but "believes there is, because it would be really nice if there is" and says that "Christianity is more about the ethics and behaviours than the beliefs themselves". While I really disagree with her, and think the "belief because it would be nice" is pretty idiotic (it'd be really nice if some rich uncle I'd never previously heard of died and left me millions, but no matter how nice the concept is, I'm not going to believe it'll happen!), as well as thinking that she really doesn't have much standing to call herself "Christian" if she doesn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus, our marriage nevertheless works well enough and we have enough in common that this little belief of hers is only a mild annoyance on the rare occasions that it even appears in conversation.

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    5. Re:I'm an atheist but... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2

      You know what's really funny? She didn't seem to have any doubts about the existence of god, jesus, and somebody named 'oh fuck right there just like that please don't stop don't you fucking stop' while I was banging her the other night.

      You taught my wife to speak English?! Cool!

      (seriously, she doesn't)

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    6. Re:I'm an atheist but... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      My pet theory is that marketing and religion work on the exact same thing and in the exact same way. Both make big promises, appeal to the emotional side of people, appeal to the lowest common denominator, promote group identity, promote hate of the other, etc. No surprise to hear about this study. I'm sure similar results will be had from anyone who is brand loyal.

      I wouldn't be surprised if people who were generally skeptic were also marketing resistant and resistant to populist right-wing demagogues or other politics as religion.

  4. I'd like them to compare programmers' brains by KDN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it would be interesting to compare brain scans of different factions of computer programmers. Any number of programmer religious wars: vi vs emacs, Unix vs Windows, GUI vs CLI, indenting with blanks vs tabs, C vs Perl vs Ruby vs .Net vs Python vs JavaScript.

    1. Re:I'd like them to compare programmers' brains by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've always said that Macs are for people that don't understand computers and have too much money. Dells are for people who don't understand computers and don't have any money. Mac users not understanding computing is a little bit of a misnomer though, some of them understand computing, but many do not know shit about hardware. They spend so much time with the "it just works" mantra that they totally ignore the whole part about educating yourself when their shiny stops just working. If any single piece of hardware in my machine breaks, I can find a part to fix it myself on the web within 5 minutes and have it done in a matter of days for 200% less the cost of taking my whole system into a mac "genius" to try and figure out why their fancy doorstop has stopped just working.

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    2. Re:I'd like them to compare programmers' brains by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's weird that anybody gives a shit about vi vs emacs--it's obvious that unless you use an exclusive feature, they're essentially the same, modal vs modeless is nothing more than a preference, and given their complexity, the most important thing about either is how familiar you are with it. I guess people just like to believe that what they're already doing is the best thing. And hey, who wouldn't like for that to be true? Maybe the difference is skipping the step where you find out if what you want to believe is true.

      Tabs vs spaces, on the other hand, well, there's no question. Heretics who indent with spaces should be burned at the stake.

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  5. Evolved to process religion? by iateyourcookies · · Score: 2

    âoeThis suggests that the big tech brands have harnessed, or exploit, the brain areas that have evolved to process religionâ Interesting. Is there a good theory or evidence as to why processing religion is/was a selection pressure?

    1. Re:Evolved to process religion? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Because once a religion reaches critical mass in an area, nonbelievers are forcibly converted, either to the religion or to fine ash as they are burned at the stake. That's pretty strong selection pressure right there.

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      I read the internet for the articles.
    2. Re:Evolved to process religion? by Posting=!Working · · Score: 2

      There are and have been a lot of religions that shun the disbeliever and control the lives of a majority of the population, making it more difficult for the disbelievers to marry and procreate. At the extreme end would be organizations like the inquisition, which killed the heretics.

      That's my guess anyway.

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    3. Re:Evolved to process religion? by drooling-dog · · Score: 2

      It's possible that it doesn't have to do specifically with religion, but rather with any uncritical following of a leader or alpha figure. It could be a dictator or sports team as well as a god. We're basically pack animals, after all, and that requires the acceptance of hierarchy.

    4. Re:Evolved to process religion? by doconnor · · Score: 2

      Here is a Quirks and Quarks segment discussing the science of religion. The have two scientists, one who thinks that religion was selected for to improve social cohesion, and the other who thinks that religion is an unintended side effect of our curiosity and desire to understand things.

    5. Re:Evolved to process religion? by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2

      There are some very interesting theories regarding how the brain's preference towards false positives due to survival pressure, and how that leads to a preposition towards religion.

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    6. Re:Evolved to process religion? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Is there a good theory or evidence as to why processing religion is/was a selection pressure?

      Well, what I have heard is:

      • It is an outgrowth of a section of the brain that makes children obedient to their parents.
      • Religion helped keep early societies cohesive.
      • It is an outgrowth of a section of the brain that is responsible for fearing things that might be there e.g. a hungry lion.
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    7. Re:Evolved to process religion? by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

      4. Societies where large numbers of people are mired in existential crises tend to be less productive.

  6. Only big brands? by tchernobog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hah, they should try that test with us GNU/Linux users on Slashdot.

    We probably qualify directly as saints.

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  7. Emacs users by Torodung · · Score: 3, Funny

    So if it works for Macs, we need a similar study done on Emacs users. ;^P

    (We apologize in advance for any resulting emacs vs. vi flame war.)

  8. Bullshit. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    The idea that "Apple causes religious reaction in brains of fans" is absolute nonsense. Those pointy-headed intellectuals have it all wrong(probably because they are trying to do visualizations on an emachine or something).

    The truth is, a number of dusty little abrahamic "deities" have hijacked the portions of the brain that evolved to appreciate Apple products in a fair number of unfortunate individuals. Hence the confusion.

  9. Re:..brain regions which evolved to process religi by somersault · · Score: 2

    Uh.. religion has been around a lot longer than that..

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  10. Good news for Apple by Combatso · · Score: 2

    They should be a tax free religious organization now.

    and making fun of an apple user is now a hate crime

  11. It's a cult. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it's simply human nature. An individual who doesn't have religion inevitably creates something to fill that space. So you get celebrity and idol worship and the adulation of lifestyle brands.

    Having worked in design for well over a decade I've come across countless Apple fanatics. Although fervor has dampened a bit in recent years, the switch to Intel processors and Apple having becomes largely mainstream playing significant parts in that. Not to discount what Apple has been able to do, but routinely Apple gets all the credit for things others have been doing for years.

    The way I've seen some people idolize Steve Jobs is downright embarrassing. I've seen people use his portrait as a desktop background. Every time a new product comes along the rumors start flying about how it works and how it's built. I've heard some outrageous claims over the years.

    The thing that I never expected was that this level of fanaticism would infect the mainstream. The big irony is that for many people, particular college kids from what I've seen, continue to see Apple as representative of some kind of counter-culture. I wonder how these people would feel if they say who's on Apple's board of directors. It doesn't get more mainstream than Apple. I'm sure they'd find a way to rationalize it all.

    I've always thought Apple has a great marketing machine. But really, their job is made unbelievably easy thanks to all the fanatics.

    1. Re:It's a cult. by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      I follow what you're saying to some extent. I don't think I'd claim the "worship of celebrities" and "lifestyle brands" has much to do with filling in something that's missing if one doesn't have religion, though. That's a pretty far stretch.... If that were true, one should be able to do some kind of survey or study and find that the vast majority of people taking an interest in, say, E-Television, or praising the qualities of Apple products were atheists. I *highly* doubt that'd be the case.

      As a consumer who chose Apple products myself, I'm not even sure I'd say Apple has a great marketing machine. They're not BAD, but honestly, I've often been surprised at how little they've really attempted to advertise. The whole "I'm a Mac / I'm a PC" campaign was pretty pervasive, but that seemed like a real change from the Apple most of us were used to, and of course, they brought an end to that campaign -- with no real substitute in place running as many television spots to try to market the same things.

      It almost seems like with the more expensive "pro" series of Apple products, they only do token advertising (one ad they put together and run randomly, a few times, so most people never even see it). For example, when the PowerMac G5 tower came out, I recall one silly ad with a theme about blowing the side off of the house when someone turned it on (because I guess we were to assume it was that powerful -- not that prone to blowing up?). Since then? I don't know if I ever saw an ad for the Mac Pro towers with Intel CPUs? Do they ever advertise applications like Final Cut Pro??

      There is some irony about the perception of Apple as "counter-culture" while the board of directors is so mainstream. But on the flip-side, I think some of that is still legitimate. I mean, Apple does back social causes occasionally that are fairly controversial (like their donating to and getting behind the attempt to legalize gay marriage). And with a total market-share of computer sales that's consistently hovering around the 10% range, it's clear they've never been the mainstream, predominant choice for a personal computer.

  12. Some things never change by npsimons · · Score: 2

    Each of these cults correspond to one of the two antagonists in the age
    of Reformation. In the realm of the Apple Macintosh, as in catholic
    Europe, worshipers peer devoutly into screens filled with "icons." All
    is sound and imagery and Appledom. Even words look like decorative
    filigree in exotic typeface. The greatest icon of all, the inviolable
    Apple itself, stands in the dominate position at the upper-left corner
    of the screen. A central corporate headquarters decrees the form of all
    rites and practices. Infallible doctrine issues from one executive
    officer whose selection occurs in a sealed board room. Should anyone in
    his curia question his powers, the offender is excommunicated into outer
    darkness. The expelled heretic founds a new company, mutters obscurely
    of the coming age and the next computer, then disappears into silence,
    taking his stockholders with him. The mother company forbids financial
    competition as sternly as it stifles ideological competition; if you
    want to use computer programs that conform to Apple's orthodoxy, you
    must buy a computer made and sold by Apple itself.
            -- Edward Mendelson, "The New Republic", February 22, 1988

  13. The reality seems to be *fandom*. by DdJ · · Score: 2

    The reality seems to be that fandom lights up some of the same regions of the brain as religion. Note that they're not claiming this is a common trait of Apple users, but fans. It's not really surprising.

    (And sure, they certainly had access to a large sample set.)

    What do you think would light up in RMS's brain? Assuming he even let himself get hooked up to a medical scanner that wasn't 100% open software and hardware, that is.

  14. Good news! by The+Creator · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple can file to become tax exempt!

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  15. Re:..brain regions which evolved to process religi by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There have been evolutionary pressures towards religion for a long time. Religion lets you accept things without needing to understand them. For example, a religion can say 'don't eat pork' and the followers will avoid pork without questioning. Since pigs and humans are biologically similar, it's very easy for diseases to jump the species barrier, so a population that avoids eating pig is more likely to survive than one that eats pig (especially with the uneven cooking you get from primitive fire-based cooking). Another religion says 'don't eat green plants', but we don't hear about that one because all of its followers died. Similarly, the religion talks about the divine right of kings, and so the society becomes more cohesive and people are willing to die to protect it - this society is capable of exterminating societies based on self interest, so there is a survival benefit for genes that encourage people to join such a society.

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  16. Re:Religion. by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2

    No, he likely just lacks a belief there is god. Most atheists are agnostic atheists, not gnostic atheists.

    Oh, I'm sorry, did you think you were trolling?

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  17. Re:Religion. by countertrolling · · Score: 2

    agnostic athiests?

    Do they fight for peace, and fuck for chastity?

    Trolling?

    Moi?

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  18. Religions stimulate “Apple-like” react by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neuroscientists have found that religious fervour lights up the same parts of the brain as waiting in line for your devotions at the Apple Store.

    The scientists were interviewed by a BBC programme exploring the fantastically lucrative and popular brands springing up around the supernatural. Religions such as "Christianity" parody the story of the semi-mythical Steve Jobs' virgin birth, adoption by a humble Silicon Valley family, founding of Apple, expulsion from the fold, decade in the wilderness and triumphant Second Coming, wherein devotees were led to enlightenment, glory and hipness.

    "The scans of 'religion' appear remarkably similar," said one scientist whose name is being withheld for protection from outraged Apple devotees. "The adrenal glands are stimulated and the same areas of the visual regions light up. Somewhat in the shape of an apple. No, really! Shaped like an apple!"

    Cupertino's response was frosty. "To have the sacred enlightenment of the products of our saviour Steve maligned by comparison to mere witchdoctor cultist mumbo-jumbo is no less than a calculated insult. One important difference is that our stuff works. ... If you hold it right." The spokesman then compared the neuroscientists' mothers to a PC.

    "The comparison is ridiculous," said "religious" leader Joe "Happy Heil" Ratzinger. "We're just out to make an honest buck like anyone. Well, fairly honest."

    Photo: His Stevianity ministering to a devoted soul..

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  19. Re:Be praised Stevee. by InsertCleverUsername · · Score: 4, Funny

    Amen

    Let me fix that for you...

    All praise to our blessed Jobs.

    iMen! (c)

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  20. Re:Political discussions do the same thing by Deviate_X · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like Politics and religion, computing has degenerated into one of those dangerous topics that can damage carreers and friendships. You just dont want to bring it up in real life conversation.

  21. Re:Hallelujah! by emag · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, for a start, I don't keep hot grits anywhere near my graphics rig...

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  22. Re:Doubt this is Apple-specific by chemicaldave · · Score: 2

    The same can probably said for politics.

  23. Re:Be praised Stevee. by Megane · · Score: 2

    In Woz We Trust.

    That's the Steve you were referring to, right?

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  24. As if this was exclusive to apple... by grapeape · · Score: 2

    Oh please, I have friend who drools like pavlov's dog every time he sees the android robot. He is overlook any flaw, any shortcoming and lack of functionality and simply declare whatever the device is as perfect just like it is....its reached a point of absolute delusion. Many Sony fans are the same way, look at any PS3 fan forum and look at the excuses and apologies their fans make for the whole PSN fiasco. Even here there was at one time a rather overwhelming contingent that seemed to think the only reason Linux didn't rule the desktop was because everyone else was stupid...nothing else mattered. I think people get rabid passion for certain things because they fear "loosing" i.e. picking the wrong or least popular product, or fear of the perception their choice has on their peers. In reality there are far more people that buy things based on what they want to do and the products ability to do it, but the voice of logic and reason is usually low key because they are busy actually using their stuff rather than wasting time defending it.

  25. Re:Apple fanboys are as irrational as religious fo by KugelKurt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple fanboys are as irrational as religious folks. Who woulda thunk?

    No, they are not. At least they believe in something that actually exists unlike the billions of nutjobs who believe in an imaginary deity.

  26. who/what is YOUR god? by Zecheus · · Score: 2

    Whatever stimulates this area of your brain is your god, and it could be anything.

    Relates to the Commandments: "You shall have no other gods before me." and "You shall not make for yourself an idol."

  27. About that religious brain test... by AzariahK · · Score: 2

    Maybe this tells us more about that so-called test for religious experience than it tells us about Apple.

  28. Re:..brain regions which evolved to process religi by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Funny

    Religion lets you accept things without needing to understand them.

    It Just Works?

  29. Tired old "Atheism is Religion" B.S. again ... by forrest · · Score: 2

    Do you believe there are giant purple space bunnies who live in caves on the far side of the moon?

    Sure, technically speaking there might be, but there is nothing in our experience of the real world that would give us any reason to give such an absurd proposition a moment's thought.

    When most atheists assert a lack of belief in "God", this is what they mean -- that the probability of a "God" existing is infinitesimal, and it's best to go about life not worrying about "God" any more than one would worry about gigantic purple space bunnies.

    So why do atheists spend so much time talking about something they don't believe in? Because the influence of religion in our society (particularly Christianity in the U.S.) is so pervasive that it seems normal. In spite of the alleged benefit of religions, they have caused a lot of evil in the world, so why should we accept the massive brainwashing of children to believe in these ancient myths as something "normal"? So atheists must be the ones who appear to make noise, but they're up against the deafening silence of a monolithic status quo which is horribly broken and must be fixed.

    Here, listen to a real atheist, and find out what they're actually talking about, instead of just trying to imagine what they must think.
    http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_dawkins_on_militant_atheism.html

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  30. Kosher laws. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    There has been a lot of debate about the reasons for biblical mandates among Jewish rabbis, and the kosher laws are no exception.

    If you look at the kosher laws and compare them to the rituals practiced by the other religions in Egypt around the time of the exodus, you'll see an interesting relationship: Following the kosher laws means you can't participate in some important ritual of each of the other religions, and nearly all the kosher laws have at least one known religious ritual they block.

    Example: One had a ritual feast with a main dish consisting of a young goat cooked in its mother's milk. Not kosher to eat a mix of meat and milk, so can't participate.

    = = = =

    Regarding pork: In addition to the issue of disease transmission due to similar biochemistry, pigs were also something of an ecological disaster for some of the enfironments in the area. Other religions than Judaism have (unexplained and apparently arbitrary) prohibitions on them.

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  31. Re:Anti-groups are obsessed with what they hate by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

    I've never met a windows fanboy defending their faith in person (have met plenty of Mac fanboys at work though!). Most Windows users are normal people just doing stuff with their computers.

    http://www.istartedsomething.com/

    http://www.neowin.net/

    http://www.winsupersite.com/

    http://www.zunescene.com/

    http://www.zuneluv.com/

    I could go on and even mention the rabid Xbox 360 fanboys that ignore the flaws and after market costs of their console of choice while attacking anyone who buys a PS3 for any purpose.

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