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Neuromancer Movie Deal Moving Forward

chill writes "After years in development, a film adaptation of William Gibson's seminal cyberpunk novel Neuromancer is finally moving forward. According to a press release, the film has secured sales from distributors at Cannes and visual effects work has already begun. Filming will begin in 2012 with locations in Canada, Istanbul, Tokyo, and London."

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  1. YES! by mrflash818 · · Score: 1

    :D

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    1. Re:YES! by spongman · · Score: 2

      YES!! Hopefully it'll be as good as Johnny Mnemonic!

    2. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU like Johnny Mnemonic? I thought I was the only one! Everyone seems to hate in. Unless you're being sarcastic :(

    3. Re:YES! by skids · · Score: 1

      That was an OK adaptation from the perspective of making it readily available to the general movie-going public, but really missed the feel of the short story, and with Gibson the feel is everything. Hopefully they'll do it better this time. Please no Keanu, unless you can somehow train him not to speak in a manner that makes you wonder where he hid his surfboard.

    4. Re:YES! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      YES!! Hopefully it'll be as good as Johnny Mnemonic!

      Thats why I don't really want to see this film. Its going to suck, in comparison to the book, unless a miracle happens.

    5. Re:YES! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Please no Keanu, unless you can somehow train him not to speak.

      FTFY

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    6. Re:YES! by Geminii · · Score: 1

      Whoa.

  2. inb4 disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    inb4 disaster

  3. Please by Lifyre · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just Please don't suck... The books are great and there is a story begging to be made into a movie in them but it would be so easy to screw up...

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    1. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is being made by the same genius who gave us Splice, prepare for the suck.

    2. Re:Please by uncanny · · Score: 1

      Hey, maybe they'll make it in 3D!!!!
      oh wait, they probably will :(

    3. Re:Please by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      I saw that after I posted... it made me die a little inside... I want to say at least it's not Uwe Boll but I'm not sure that would be accurate...

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    4. Re:Please by Kenja · · Score: 1

      3D films are dull, nothing ever happens in them. I'm hoping for 4D.

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    5. Re:Please by Matheus · · Score: 1

      That's SO 20th century... I want my movies in 5D!!!

    6. Re:Please by Polonious · · Score: 1

      William Gibson doesn't seem too worried about that sort of thing. https://twitter.com/#!/GreatDismal GreatDismal William Gibson A novelist who is absolutely particular about who read the audio book is a novelist with really a lot of free time. 16 May

    7. Re:Please by Legal.Troll · · Score: 0

      I'll have to adopt the strategy I learned via a painful lesson given me by Fallout 3... Wait for it to come out, then wait to hear what people say; if old-school fans say it sucks, DON'T WATCH IT, to avoid having awesome memories and mental images ruined by a crappy film adaptation.

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    8. Re:Please by spun · · Score: 1

      You kids and your fancy dimensions. In my day, movies were one dimensional and that's the way we liked it, just moving dots on a line.

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    9. Re:Please by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Maybe Ridley Scott coulda' done justice to it.

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    10. Re:Please by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      There's always going to be compromise though, you can't put a book directly on screen, there is usually too much background text. Die hard fans will never be happy no matter what happens.

    11. Re:Please by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Just please don't have Keanu Reeves in it.

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    12. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah!!!

      In my day, they were zero dimensional and we called the singularities or not-movings.

      Some times we even called them boring...

    13. Re:Please by houghi · · Score: 2

      If there are some people who do not like it, that would be normal. But if you take something like 'I am Legend' which was a great story, then alter the story so the the main character looks good, then you have a problem.

      LotR? Good, because it mostly stuck to the book. Starship Troopers? Bad.

      I can understand if a movie maker does not like the story. But then PLEAAAASE don't buy the rights just for the title. Make your own story that you DO like and let somebody else, who does a better job, turn the book into a movie.

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    14. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's SO 20th century... I want my movies in 5D!!!

      I bet they'll call it 3.5D in the end.

    15. Re:Please by overlordofmu · · Score: 2

      My vote would have been David Fincher to direct.

      Also, Gibson's short story from the collection 'Burning Chrome', titled 'New Rose Hotel', was made in into a wonderful film by the same title directed by my all time favorite director, Abel Ferrara. Chris Walken, Willem Dafoe and Asia Argento star.

      IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133122/

      Interestingly, Ferrara turns an 11 page story (or is it 17 pages - it is prime anyway) with no dialog (not a single quotation mark in the 11 pages) into a film that is solely driven by dialog. Almost no special effects at all. It is simply actors acting and it is beautifully done.

      *** WARNING: Ferrara is arty and this film will not please the popcorn crowd. ***

    16. Re:Please by Steauengeglase · · Score: 2

      As much as I'd (in theory) really like to see this movie, I can't imagine not being completely let down by it, even it is being done by the same guy who did the wonderfully craptastic Cube (not knocking it, it was just kinda low budget). I can't imagine a modern audience doing anything but laughing at all the neon, Jamaican piloted space ships and a 3D internet. You'd probably have to remove those entirely and then what do you have?

      On the plus side, Gibson has always said to take the idea of there being a Neuromancer movie with a grain of salt. The last time this movie was in "pre-production" it was being directed by some guy whose only experience was directing Britney Spear videos. I won't believe this one until I have a ticket in my hand. So yeah, I'll watch it, if it is finished, but I can't say I'd expect much.

    17. Re:Please by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

      To be clear, the movie and the book 'Starship Troopers' have almost nothing in common. There is a war with aliens that look like bugs and Rio gets nuke from space. Besides that, the whole fucking plot is thrown out. Not the same story - AT ALL!

      And here is a good bitch about sci-fi book film adaptations. Where is the minority report in the film 'Minority Report'. They fucked the plot so badly the title no longer exists in the film. Asshats!

    18. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's SO 20th century... I want my movies in 5D!!!

      I bet they'll call it 3.5D in the end.

      And somebody on ./ will explain that in reality is 3.438D.

    19. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had a line? Luxury!

      I used to hate the spoiled rich kids with their dimension. We just had a Planck-length diameter dot.

      And we liked it!

    20. Re:Please by rainmouse · · Score: 1

      The last time this movie was in "pre-production" it was being directed by some guy whose only experience was directing Britney Spear videos. I won't believe this one until I have a ticket in my hand.

      Your observations were pretty off the mark, enough that I had to respond.

      The music video director you are surely referring to is Chris Cunningham who personally I believe is one of the few people who could actually pull this film off. His work is typically very imaginative but in a dark and edgy way, though he does come from directing music videos and has no feature length directing experience (though he never did any Britney Spears). He pulled out apparently because he did not have final cut approval.

      Gibson himself apparently said (and I definately agree)"Chris is my own 100 per cent personal choice...My only choice. The only person I've met who I thought might have a hope in hell of doing it right."

      I just worry that the director of Cube and Splice will do the storyline of the book justice, but not understand the feel of the book.

    21. Re:Please by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      I, Robot.

    22. Re:Please by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Whoa....

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    23. Re:Please by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Yeah, fuckers jumped all the time in that one.

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    24. Re:Please by skids · · Score: 1

      Maybe David Lynch... thanks for the link, I will have to grab that at some point.

    25. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bought the wrong TV silly head..

    26. Re:Please by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Ooh, didn't know New Rose Hotel had been made in film. COOL!

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    27. Re:Please by Theotherguy_1 · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm not sure I agree with your contention that "closer to the book = good", especially with your example of Lord of The Rings vs. Starship Troopers. Personally, I thought the Lord of the Rings dragged far too much, and had ridiculously maudlin, wordy segments of dialog which made the films massively dull. I think they could have cut out a few things and made the movie much better for it, particularly in the gruesomely boring end sequence of III. The Starship Troopers book, on the other hand, was originally a thinly veiled endorsement of fascist ideology with long segments devoted to political debates on the subject. Would you really want to see that on the screen?

    28. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that dot was moving on a line, wouldn't that make it 2-D? I mean, you were lucky, time just stopped while I was watching my dot.

    29. Re:Please by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can do it well. See "the Girl Who..."/Millennium Trilogy as an example of movies that translated well from paper to screen. LotR was was very well done. You can also do a terrible job, and there are too many examples to list.

      I'd like to see a cast list. If it's the usual Hollywood mega-stars, the movie has a good chance of sucking. If it's even a little bit independent, it has a possibility of being good.
      In short, if it has to appeal to the masses to make enough money to pay back a billion dollar investment, I doubt it will be that good.

      I'm hoping for the best, and expecting something worse than one of the latest Star Wars or Matrix II disasters.

    30. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had a line? Back in my day, our one dimensional films had just a dot. Some films went really fancy and had lots of dots on top of each other to make a deep story but my friend always said it was just one dot and they were saying there were more on top and below it to make more money. Then they went even fancier when they discovered they could put lots of films side by side and make a line of dots, they called that 2D but it was just all gimicky to me, just another excuse to gouge money from us poor consumers...

    31. Re:Please by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      Didn't mean, Cunningham, never even heard about him doing this. The last guy I remember going through the "I'm about to do Neuromancer" rumor mill was Joseph Kahn.

    32. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starship Troopers had Neil Patrick Harris, ferrets, and boobs.

      What more could a heterosexual male ask for?

    33. Re:Please by Creepy · · Score: 1

      The books were also dated in some ways by the time I read them around 1987, and much worse by the time I read them again in the mid-1990s. The matrix idea was pretty cool, but I could see many things that were missed entirely (Gibson even admits he missed some things entirely - like cell phones). In contrast, I think Stephenson's books have stood the test of time better tech-wise, though I found some of his material is a bit messed up. Hopefully the vision will stay true, though - Gibson said Blade Runner was a near-perfect vision of the dystopian future he envisioned while writing the book, so if the director uses that as a mental model and drops the tech-fail ideas from the script, it could work.

      Incidentally, Blade Runner was filmed at the same time as Neuromancer was written, which I've always found a bit uncanny (you can't claim one is influenced by the other). I definitely didn't envision the urban decay world Ridley Scott did when I read Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? In fact, I envisioned it more as 60s camp ala Barbarella with a more disturbing theme (but plenty of oddball devices like the mood organ for dial a mood, which still seems like a total trip idea).

    34. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, moving dots on a line is 2D (one dimension in space and one in time). But I guess your mistake is understandable because the hole industry also is wrong (they say 2D and 3D while it is really 3D and 4D). A real 1D movie would be just a blinking dot.

    35. Re:Please by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Well, Do Androids... has a lot of great stuff in it that could never fit into a film. PKD has several books where there is a new religion (in Androids it's called Mercerism) and a studio would never let that get into a finished film. The book also really drove home the point that the earth was ruined and that everyone was leaving, while this is only a point you get from the film if you've read the book. Blade Runner made it essentially into a adventure story because it had to... it's great on its own but it's more inspired by the book than a full adaptation.

    36. Re:Please by mal3 · · Score: 2

      Whether you want to see all of the political information on screen or not is one thing, but Starship Troopers turned the political segments into a straight parody of Heinlein's views. You shouldn't piss on the author while making his book into a movie.

      As far as his views in ST being fascist, I disagree. They're not mainstream, but not totalitarian either. There was a democracy, you just had to earn the right to participate through community service. I'm not 100% sold on the idea, but it has some merit.

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    37. Re:Please by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      I assume you mean shitty stereoscopic '3d' like what everyone preaches is 3d at the present moment...

      Screw that, give me a volumetric display. Proper 3d would be an absolute dream.

    38. Re:Please by Creepy · · Score: 1

      Not to be a counterpoint, but I disliked New Rose Hotel as much as I disliked Johnny Mnemonic. The X Files episode Kill Switch was good, though (written by Gibson). Maybe if Gibson wrote the script...

      There are better Dystopic future movies, IMO, with Blade Runner probably sitting at the forefront, or maybe Terminator (though that is only partially set in the future). I liked Hardware, as well, but most of my friends hated it (I also didn't expect Terminator set in the future part and they did). Iggy Pop and Lemmy from Motorhead are in it... how can it be bad with those two?

      If you just want bad movies with known actors, how about Cyborg 2 with the 19 year old Angelina Jolie and the ancient Jack Palance? It was worth a cable viewing (Cyborg 3 is not, and 1 depends on if you like professional dancer turned actor/fake martial artist Jean Claude Van Damme, because that is the only redeeming value, and it isn't very redeeming).

    39. Re:Please by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Given that there's a timeline, all movies are.

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    40. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck everything, we're doing 6D.

      http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/

    41. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duty first is a fascist principle.

    42. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pity it's not Proyas. He could make it work

    43. Re:Please by cbass377 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for saying this. When I read the headline, that is what I immediately thought.

    44. Re:Please by obi · · Score: 1

      I so agree on Cunningham. Sad that this didn't happen.

    45. Re:Please by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      "A Scanner Darkly" ?

      Another cult Sci-fi adaption and a movie in which Keanu and Winona didn't suck.

    46. Re:Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it happens, it will suck. The proposed screenwriter/director thinks that Avatar is a) a good movie and b) hard science fiction. Avatar is neither of those things.

    47. Re:Please by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Dharma is a fascist principle? Or am I misinterpreting what you mean by duty first?

    48. Re:Please by fractoid · · Score: 1

      That's like r/c helicopter manufacturers calling them "3.5 channel" when they're 3 channel plus a gyro. Grr.

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    49. Re:Please by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Boring?! The cheek! Our movies weren't even zero-dimensional, they were imaginary, and we only had one and we had to share it! And even then, most of the time it was broken, and we had to stand in the rain, not even imagining that we had a zero-dimensional movie!

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    50. Re:Please by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Reading the interview in TFA:

      I think Avatar has been a great harbinger for smart science fiction films. I know some people disagree with me, but honestly I think that film could not have been made by anyone other than James Cameron, and now that it has been made and itâ(TM)s such a success, it proves that hard science fiction â" and that film is full of ideas â" can work on a large commercial scale.

      Avatar -- Smart? -- Full of ideas?? HARD SF???

    51. Re:Please by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      1) I thought Avatar was a decent movie, obviously lacking in many ways but definitely one of the better efforts in recent years. 2) It was SyFy not SciFi so.... yeah.

      That the director feels that way certainly doesn't bode well for a gritty cyberpunk universe containing the likes of the Sprawl, Freeside, and Zion which should hopefully bear little to no resemblance to the bubble gum science fiction of Avatar...

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    52. Re:Please by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      While your AC response said "Duty first is a fascist principle", I feel the root idea has some merit. In just about anything, one receives benefits commensurate with one's participation. If I buy more shares, I get more money as dividend if that stock pays dividends. So I don't see why aligning the government with this model is such a bad thing. For years, I've felt that those who spend more towards the government (taxes, user fees, etc) should have more say in how their money is spent. In other words, "one dollar, one vote". But that dollar must be constantly spent to overcome others' votes, so a corporation couldn't just spend a bunch of money to vote in laws that favor it, because another will spend more money to change the laws (if, that is, the "more money" is less than the amount they'd gain by changing the laws).

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  4. Half and half by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

    Half of me is excited for the white-knuckle thrill ride and half of me dreads what crap they will spew forth.

    1. Re:Half and half by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      Half of me is excited for the white-knuckle thrill ride and half of me dreads what crap they will spew forth.

      sounds like free taco nite at the local bar...

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  5. Neuromancer movie deal ..yay !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Totally awesome. This was way overdue, particularly since the success of Johnny Mnemonic !

    1. Re:Neuromancer movie deal ..yay !! by plover · · Score: 1

      Hey, I actually bought the Johnny Mnemonic DVD, and in some way contributed to that success.

      When Circuit City was going out of business, they had a heaping pile of unsold/unsellable DVDs in a large basket with a $1.00 EACH sign, I spotted Johnny Mnemonic and figured "I'd buy that for a dollar."

      I got fair value out of that deal, unlike anyone who paid for full price tickets to see it.

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  6. The Future of the Past by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This book is from 1984. How can the movie have any fresh ideas? I'm having visions of "lawnmower man."

    1. Re:The Future of the Past by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Try reading the book. I know 1984 was soooo long ago, but you might be surprised....

    2. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed—read the book. It's one of the landmark works of science fiction. I'd also go see a movie based on Brunner's "Shockwave Rider" and hope to hear the song of the same name by the Royal Trux.

    3. Re:The Future of the Past by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I read it a few years ago. Apart from being quite badly written, it was painfully dated and showed a distressing lack of understanding of basic computing concepts on the part of the author. I can imagine that someone who read it in the '80s would find it exciting and groundbreaking, but it just hasn't stood the test of time.

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    4. Re:The Future of the Past by halowolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes I made the same mistake with Snow Crash. Read it years after it came out and it just didn't age well at all. If you want to read a good book that focus's on language having power read Spellwright http://www.amazon.com/Spellwright-Blake-Charlton/dp/0765317273

    5. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old are you? That book is still awesome. ...and it would be more appropriate to have visions of Johnny Mnemonic.

    6. Re:The Future of the Past by tgv · · Score: 1

      I think you've mistaken literature for a tech magazine. Same goes for the comment on Snow Crash, which has the added benefit of referring instead to a book that's as innovative as a fantasy novel.

    7. Re:The Future of the Past by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Read it once around 15 years ago. Never felt the urge to pick it up again. Can no longer remember what it's about.

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    8. Re:The Future of the Past by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The book was decades ahead of its time, it's more topical than ever. Gibson is a miracle, imo, not only because he pretty accurately predicted a future where corporations rule the world and information and information exchange has become omnipresent (ok, he overdid both a bit, but what SciFi author doesn't?), he did so without any idea of how a computer works (IIRC he said in an interview that 'til he got one, which was long after '84, he thought there's some kinda crystals spinning inside or something like that).

      Gibson's Neuromancer world is a bit more advanced than ours, in good and in bad, extrapolate our reality, add a bit of pessimism and you'll get there. More corporation control, more religious lunacy, bigger separation between wealthy and poor, more integration of technology into human bodies. Some parts of it are reality already or are "around the corner". A bit more dystopian, a bit more seedy, a bit more corporation controlled, but essentially... I think the mood is quite well captured. It's a gloomy near-future setting, which will probably be near-future for the forseeable future, as it was 25 years ago.

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    9. Re:The Future of the Past by IICV · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read it a few years ago. Apart from being quite badly written, it was painfully dated and showed a distressing lack of understanding of basic computing concepts on the part of the author. I can imagine that someone who read it in the '80s would find it exciting and groundbreaking, but it just hasn't stood the test of time.

      Yup. William Gibson wrote Neuromancer on a typewriter. He had never even touched a computer at the time.

      If you're expecting anything even remotely resembling actual computery stuff, prepare for disappointment; nobody's going to be nmapping a target and then running sshnuke.

      I would disagree that it's badly written; it's not. It's just not written clearly; it's somewhat experimental, so it often makes very little analytical sense. The idea was to convey the overwhelming feeling of constant future-shock, where as soon as you think you have a grip on some new technology a radically newer one comes out. It's kinda confusing if you try to force sense onto things; you're supposed to just absorb it and ride the wave, like the protagonist talks about early in the book IIRC.

      On the other hand, it is a pretty cool story. I mean, Molly the cybernetic assassin has razor blade fingers and shades built in to her eye sockets (her tear ducts were re-routed to the roof of her mouth, so she spits instead of crying).

      Basically, it's enjoyable as long as you follow the MST3K mantra. If you expect anything that even remotely resembles the realities of computing, you'll be disappointed; it's as factual The Hobbit, except set against a postmodern cybernetic background.

      (It's actually kinda weird - geeks seem to have this strange idea that all science fiction should be extrapolation based on current trends, and there's no room at all for pure fantasy with a sciencey coating)

    10. Re:The Future of the Past by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

      If it wasn't generated by 20 somethings during the last decade, IT'S CRAP!

      The MTV generation just won't tolerate lame old fogey stuff.

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    11. Re:The Future of the Past by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      I must live in some different world than the rest of you, my world isn't controlled by corporations at all. Not a single corporation, big or small, forces me to do anything at all.

      What happened to the rest of you? Are you mistaking your inability to say "no" to things you want as being controlled?

    12. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computing concepts? Like sorting? It's not about computers, it's about social interactions and the nature of consciousness with computers as a magical macguffin. Whether you liked it or not, that's about as fair a criticism as saying that the science in star trek was weak.

    13. Re:The Future of the Past by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      A mini-series of Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar would also be cool. Wonder if Joss Whedon could do it justice?

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    14. Re:The Future of the Past by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      I read it again a month ago, and it wasn't *that* bad. I will say that I kept hearing synthesized music from a Casio in my head while I read it.

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    15. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protip: Focuses.

    16. Re:The Future of the Past by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      No matter what they do with the film, I'm sure Screw-Sorting robot X-43 will pan it.

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    17. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > he thought there's some kinda crystals spinning inside or something like that

      Quartz clock

      A quartz clock is a clock that uses an electronic oscillator that is regulated by a quartz crystal to keep time. This crystal oscillator creates a signal with very precise frequency, so that quartz clocks are at least an order of magnitude more accurate than good mechanical clocks. Generally, some form of digital logic counts the cycles of this signal and provides a numeric time display, usually in units of hours, minutes, and seconds. Quartz timekeepers are the world's most widely-used timekeeping technology, used in most clocks and watches, as well as computers and other appliances that keep time.

    18. Re:The Future of the Past by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I think you've mistaken literature for a tech magazine. Same goes for the comment on Snow Crash, which has the added benefit of referring instead to a book that's as innovative as a fantasy novel.

      Meh, each to their own. I have a hard time enjoying Science Fiction that is actually futuristic fantasy fiction. Some people just enjoy "hard" sci-fi (somewhat more plausible based on our understanding of the universe) vs run of the mill "I'm just going to make this up because it's neat to think about" sci-fi.

      Consider Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon" -- This is hard sci-fi.
      FTWA:

      The story is also notable in that Verne attempted to do some rough calculations as to the requirements for the cannon and, considering the comparative lack of any data on the subject at the time, some of his figures are surprisingly close to reality.

      "Make believe" Fantasy fiction that happens to involve computers & space technology is not in the same class as "hard" fiction created by someone who would actually research the pertinent fields and try to make the plot more plausible.

      Somehow, many people forget that computer science is science... and that there are marked differences between fiction, science fiction, and "hard" science fiction.

      IMO: Suppling a setting that's in the future doesn't automatically make something "science fiction" any more than a setting that's in the past makes something a "period piece" ( See: LoTR, also Star Wars... ).

    19. Re:The Future of the Past by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I read it a few years ago. Apart from being quite badly written, it was painfully dated and showed a distressing lack of understanding of basic computing concepts on the part of the author. I can imagine that someone who read it in the '80s would find it exciting and groundbreaking, but it just hasn't stood the test of time.

      Such an authoritative opinion, and yet the Hugo, Nebula, and Philip K Dick Award committees managed to disagree, not to mention untold masses of stunned and amazed readers. This is the book that put cyberpunk on the map. Look elsewhere if you want a computer science textbook.

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    20. Re:The Future of the Past by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I must live in some different world than the rest of you, my world isn't controlled by corporations at all. Not a single corporation, big or small, forces me to do anything at all.

      What happened to the rest of you? Are you mistaking your inability to say "no" to things you want as being controlled?

      No, we're pointing out our inability to outlaw huge financial contributions from lobbyists to our government officials, who thereafter pass judgment on laws with the effect that corporations benefit most, and individuals none, or negatively. In fact, the limits or the financial contributions were lifted recently...

      What happened to you? Are you not living in a country that is controlled primarily by corporate interests irregardless of the amount of money you provide said corporations? Does your voting system actually force the government to obey the beneficial wishes of the society at large instead of selling the public's freedoms to corporations in the form of ever more invasive copyright, patent, and security "protections"? Is there a single place left not enslaved by the immoral mental machinations of oppressive laws and immortal corporations? Do not the corporations force you to live in such a place, also?

      Please tell us all the location of your Utopian society; We don't live this way by choice -- it's just that our political pressures don't measure up to the pressures that the corporations can exert.

    21. Re:The Future of the Past by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      I read Snow Crash fairly recently and if you put yourself into the *book's* world and don't read today's world into it the book holds up quite well. It's been 15 years or so since I read Neuromancer but if I recall enough about it I would say a similar thing is also probably true.

    22. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow your a retard.

    23. Re:The Future of the Past by tgv · · Score: 1

      I'm still not entrenched enough into the realms of post-modernism that I think the difference between Real Art and shoddy entertainment can be dealt with by a single word, even if it has a deep and rich semantic structure as "meh".

    24. Re:The Future of the Past by plover · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much true for all cyberpunk. As long as the author avoids anything technical, and focuses on the people, it holds up better. But as soon as he says "3MB of hot RAM chips", there's another fault line in the willing suspension of disbelief. Snow Crash did OK with some predictions: we still don't have Rat Things, and the neurally controlled prosthetic hands that are just coming into being sound like the inferior ones the Russian veterans wore in his story. I still want smart spokes. Gibson was not so good with the tech, but I like his writing better.

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    25. Re:The Future of the Past by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      I'm still not entrenched enough into the realms of post-modernism that I think the difference between Real Art and shoddy entertainment can be dealt with by a single word, even if it has a deep and rich semantic structure as "meh".

      ORLY? You accidentally the whole rest of my post then? Is The Internet such a serious business?

      TL;DR: Way to avoid the issue altogether by pompously focusing only on teh frist "word", heh.

    26. Re:The Future of the Past by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      There's this dude. And this chick. And some bad guys. And conflicting goals.

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    27. Re:The Future of the Past by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Gibson's initial idea for it was seeing people in a video game arcade (any y'all remember those?) and how each person seemed to be lost in their own private world created by the machine they were at. Pretty wild to go from that to the Sprawl world.

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    28. Re:The Future of the Past by LeperPuppet · · Score: 1

      (It's actually kinda weird - geeks seem to have this strange idea that all science fiction should be extrapolation based on current trends, and there's no room at all for pure fantasy with a sciencey coating)

      I'm guessing geeks get shitty with fantasy with a science coating because it's often served up to them as being hard science fiction. Both are pleasant, but it's annoying to constantly receive a bait and switch between the two because most of the entertainment industry seems to believe that this fantasy masquerading as science fiction is the only type of science fiction.

    29. Re:The Future of the Past by sproketboy · · Score: 1

      Er corporations ruled the world back it the 80's. I would put the date that corporations ruled the US at least at around 1751 when the Bank of England counterfeited early colonial currency and flooded the markets with it. It led to the war of independence - which America lost BTW.

    30. Re:The Future of the Past by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It may be that I didn't notice it as much in the 80s, being a kid and all, but as far as I can judge, the blatant disregard of personal liberty and utter ignorance of the needs of the people in favor of corporate interest, even to the point where a minimal improvement for a fraction of corporations outweighs the drawbacks for every single citizen was not part of 80s politics. Back then our politicians still had to pretend that we're the good guys, we left the totalitarian bouts of megalomania to the Russkies.

      Now, it didn't develop just as Gibson thought, corporations don't "rule" themselves. They are much more subtle since few people would actually want to accept such a government. Sure, money does rule the world, just the blatancy about it didn't take effect. It's not "A holds more shares of corporation B, so he dictates what happens where B rules" as it is usually in Gibson's novels. It's not a "shareholder democracy". If such a thing was proposed or even installed, a civil war would probably follow shortly after. Unless we're really completely under the illusion that everyone can get rich, provided he works for it (maybe the most powerful lie in our system).

      Instead the rule is much more subtle, indirect, by simply buying whoever we, the people, vote into office. Just as efficient, but far less obvious.

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    31. Re:The Future of the Past by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Your politicians are not bought and sold on the open market, owned or controlled by corporations? They do not create laws that benefit said corporations while at the same time limiting your freedoms more and more? You are not subject to laws, from copyright to patents to brands, that limit what you can and cannot do in undue ways that go beyond reasonable protection of intellectual property? You can buy what you want (like, say, a Blu-Ray player that can copy Blu-Rays) instead of only what corporations allow to be produced? Your laws do not allow your job to be shipped overseas where corporations can import cheap crap they produce there with impunity while you are not allowed to buy what you feel like abroad (like, say, a CD in Thailand where they cost 30 cents)?

      Please inform me where this magical country is, and how strict are your immigration policies?

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    32. Re:The Future of the Past by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      That's actually more than I remember.

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    33. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? Go watch Forbidden Planet (the original, not the new one) and educate yourself kid.

    34. Re:The Future of the Past by Asahi+Super+Dry · · Score: 1

      Gibson himself is well aware of how science fiction becomes dated. He even wrote a short story partly based on that concept ("The Gernsback Continuum") in which the main character suffers from visions of the 1950s "future that never was." Personally, I don't see it as a problem. As long as the world of the story is logical and self-consistent, does it matter whether it matches up exactly with reality? And as other posters have noted, Gibson's work is less about the technology itself than the technology's effect on society. And his views on that, I think, are still quite relevant.

    35. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Yea! I am sick of old people trying to but in on the new generation.

      Television rules of reality to live by:

      1) If you are over the age of 14 you are in fact a fagot.
      2) If you are old you are a faggot.
      3) If you are bald you are a faggot.
      4) Justin Bieber and that guy from Eclipse full moons are the most manely speciemens of manly virility evah.
      5) If you are black you are cool.
      6) If you are white and nerdy you are a fag, and are responsible for keeping the urban hip elite repressed.
      7) God is dead, but hippity hop music is very much alive, and will endow the practicioners of the magestic art of hippity hop with superhuman powers of flight and the ability to get insane bitches (every watch a rapy video u will see that there is nothing these artists are not capeable of doing).
      8) Good looking people will ALWAYS be able to destroy their older uglyer counterparts. This is why 14 year old girls routinely beat 29 year 250 lb guys in fights. Don't believe me watch some TV.
      9) Real men spend their time making rap videos and rhyming.
      10) And finally Reading is in fact for fagots. Ever see a TV show with a holywood STAR reading? FUck no.

      If people would just accept these fact as their personal gospel, the world would be a much better place. Old people need to give all their money to the new generation and die someplace discrete where they won't be a bother.

    36. Re:The Future of the Past by tgv · · Score: 1

      Read it, didn't comment on it, as you didn't comment on my post, but went off in another direction altogether. If you want a comment: I don't see SnowCrash nor Neuromancer as SF in this context. These books cross boundaries, and Neuromancer introduced a new style of writing and storytelling. SnowCrash is less arty, more action, and a poignant social commentary, well written. These are books that cannot be simply judged by their technological novelty.

      Besides, some of the concepts in SnowCrash still will take decades to become reality. The description of the VR environment itself may be too simple, but massive, global immersion with full interaction (from a mobile station) is very far away, and the facial rendering technology described is more complex than that used in the latest game, LA Confidential.

    37. Re:The Future of the Past by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Gibson is a miracle, imo, not only because he pretty accurately predicted a future where corporations rule the world

      Hmm?

      The Space Merchants is a science fiction novel, written by Frederik Pohl and Cyril M. Kornbluth in 1952. Originally published in Galaxy Science Fiction magazine as a serial entitled Gravy Planet, the novel was first published as a single volume in 1953, and has sold heavily since. It deals satirically with a hyper-developed consumerism, seen through the eyes of an advertising executive. In 1984, Pohl published a sequel, The Merchants' War.

      [...]

      In a vastly overpopulated world, businesses have taken the place of governments and now hold all political power. States exist merely to ensure the survival of huge trans-national corporations. Advertising has become hugely aggressive and by far the best-paid profession. Through advertising, the public is constantly deluded into thinking that the quality of life is improved by all the products placed on the market. However, the most basic elements are incredibly scarce, including water and fuel. The planet Venus has just been visited and judged fit for human settlement, despite its inhospitable surface and climate; the colonists would have to endure a harsh climate for many generations until the planet could be terraformed.

      Welcome to 1952...

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    38. Re:The Future of the Past by The+Dawn+Of+Time · · Score: 1

      Who said my society is utopian? I'm not an idealist, so I never had such a notion in mind in the first place.

      My advice to you, if you are seeking the ideal society to suit your desires is... I have nothing useful to offer. Chasing utopia is the core mistake of what appears to be your philosophy. There never has been and never will be such a thing in the real universe, and I am not interested in wasting my time helping you.

    39. Re:The Future of the Past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "he overdid both a bit" You're assuming he wrote it for now. Get back to me in 25 years.

    40. Re:The Future of the Past by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      The book was decades ahead of its time, it's more topical than ever. Gibson is a miracle, imo, not only because he pretty accurately predicted a future where corporations rule the world and information and information exchange has become omnipresent (ok, he overdid both a bit, but what SciFi author doesn't?)

      Other posters have already addressed this, but from the horse's mouth: I was at a Gibson reading in 1991 or so where he said himself that he's surprised when people praise his "predictions." He said (paraphrased), "None of this stuff is the future - I just look at what's going on today and exaggerate it."

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    41. Re:The Future of the Past by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      IIRC the timeline for his first trilogy was the 2010s and 2020s?

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  7. It's going to be tough. by Psyko · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This would have been easier to put together 20 years ago, I think they tried to do a movie a couple of times already but it fell apart.

    Nowadays, this is going trying to take the 'futuristic' concepts of global spanning data networks and present them to people that pretty much grew up with them in place, minus the neural interfaces... It was a great book, and I remember in the late 80's was excited to see they were working on a movie. Now, well, I don't think they're going to be able to pull it off.

    Next up, Snow Crash? Why not, these things are going to have to be changed so much to make sense in today's terms of technology that they're not really going to be able to resemble the original except in a vague sort of way.

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    1. Re:It's going to be tough. by briansct · · Score: 1

      I agree, I also wonder how the general pebcak's will react to the theme of the movie. Will they understand that the book was ground breaking stuff? Or will they think it's a cheap knock off of the Matrix.

      It's been so long since I read Gibson (and I was so young: early high school) that I just added several of his books to my amazon wishlist! I can't wait to re-read them all!

      This is truly news for nerds! Happy Friday!

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    2. Re:It's going to be tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't read Neuromancer, but in the case of Snow Crash, a somewhat dystopian future where the internet's main type of interaction is through a well done sort of SecondLife could be interesting. People will draw parallels with a lot of stuff we have now (the librarian = wiki's future, wireheads = bluetooth future, extreme corporatism = extreme corporatism, etc). Plus the tricked-out motorcycle stuff and physics defying swordplay could make for fun on-screen action.

      They should have made that back when they did the matrix!

    3. Re:It's going to be tough. by dryriver · · Score: 1

      I agree, I also wonder how the general pebcak's will react to the theme of the movie. Will they understand that the book was ground breaking stuff? Or will they think it's a cheap knock off of the Matrix.

      The only thing Neuromancer has in common with The Matrix is the idea of jacking into cyberspace via a computer-to-brain connection. That's where the similarities end. Neuromancer is totally different material storywise, as are the followups Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive. If done well, Neuromancer would make The Matrix look very 'Hollywood Action Movie with some fancy dystopian Color Grading'. Gibson's world is very very complex, detailed and realistic compared to The Matrix.

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    4. Re:It's going to be tough. by dryriver · · Score: 1

      This would have been easier to put together 20 years ago, I think they tried to do a movie a couple of times already but it fell apart.

      Today's 3D CGI VFX, digital cinematography tools, Stereoscopic 3D film cameras and other innovations will probably make Neuromancer 10 times easier to realize properly compared with what was available 20 or even 10 years ago. Things like digital set extensions (to visualize The Sprawl for example) are done so well these days that virtually nobody 'sees' where the real set ends and the CG extension starts. Provided that the art director is really good (i.e. BladeRunner Syd Mead good), Neuromancer could be real eye candy when its filmed.

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    5. Re:It's going to be tough. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      I don't think it would be too hard for younger people to grow into the setting. For us, the big deal was that information exchange and the "universal telepresence" that was flashy and cool. For them, this part will probably be trivial. But there are other things in the book that might be quite interesting to a younger audience that grew up with the omnipresent internet and the ability to access information and reach whoever you want at will and leisure at any moment of your life. Who knows, for them it may well be far less intimidating than it was for us (for me at least Neuromancer was a dystopian book, for them it could well be utopian, who knows?).

      Remember, the new American dream is to be famous and get rich that way, not to work hard for it. Neuromancer is, amongst other things, a showpiece of this behaviour. They might identify with a different character than we did.

      Personally, I think discussing this movie with a younger viewer should provide very interesting insight. They will certainly have a very different viewpoint.

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    6. Re:It's going to be tough. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Neuromancer was never about technology; it was about the effects technology has on society. It could be set in the Wild West without changing the underlying themes of disenfranchisement and alienation.

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    7. Re:It's going to be tough. by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Neuromancer was realized on film two years before the book was actually published.

      Gibson left the theatre in tears because he knew he'd been beaten to the punch.

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    8. Re:It's going to be tough. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      these things are going to have to be changed so much to make sense in today's terms of technology that they're not really going to be able to resemble the original except in a vague sort of way.

      You over think things too much -- Simply prefix the fiction with: "In another time, in a place you know not of..."

      Once Upon a Future seemed to work pretty well for Star Wars.

    9. Re:It's going to be tough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hinted at in the article (I know, I know), but the familiarity the general public has with some of the basic themes like global information exchange might actually allow them to make a better movie. For one, they won't have to worry about filling in the backstory about what "cyberspace" is and could focus on ruining the rest of the story ;)

    10. Re:It's going to be tough. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Gibson never filled you in. It is one of the key features of Gibson's writings that he simply assumes you know what's going on. You don't? Welcome to the future where nobody holds your hand and guides you, you feel lost in it, reader? You got the mood of the story right.

      My fear would only be that, now that we have an idea what "cyberspace" is (or rather, what we THINK it is, after countless markedroid buzzword spilling and equally high quality movies), we will probably have a different expectation than what the movie would deliver if it sticked faithfully to Gibson's idea of cyberspace.

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  8. Not an Easy Book to Read by ideonexus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Neuromancer is not an easy read. The text is very dense. I reread it last year and, even at my education level, found I had to go back and reread many passages when I realized I had missed important bits of action (the death of an important character happens so quickly and non descriptively you have to read the passage several times to make sure it actually happened).

    That being said, this book will translate magnificently to the big screen. As old as it is, it hasn't lost its futuristic feel and foresight; although, wherever megabytes of data are mentioned, they'll have to upgrade them to tera- or pentabytes. I am very much looking forward to this film, but it is still in the early stages and I've seen many promising projects like this die at later stages when the producers look at what's going on and don't get it.

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    1. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by spun · · Score: 1

      Funny, I found it a very easy, page turning kind of read. Unlike, say, Dune, which I think if kind of tedious. I don't generally enjoy flowery, overly descriptive language in fiction. To me, Neuromancer was poetic, but sparse.

      As long as we don't have Keanu playing the main character, I think this movie will be all right.

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    2. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I read it in high school, when it first came out. It's not that difficult. 'Course, I was a fan of John Brunner when I read it and already used to New Wave story telling.

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    3. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      As old as it is, it hasn't lost its futuristic feel and foresight; although, wherever megabytes of data are mentioned, they'll have to upgrade them

      Not to Tera or Peta. Everyone's used to Tera, and Peta's being used in big arrays (and is the next step up). Exa or Zetta, or better yet, a made-up big-sounding prefix: gooliobytes or congrebibliobytes. The benefit of the made up prefix is that the film isn't hilariously wrong (one way or the other) when viewed ten years later.

    4. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Well, as soon as you are through with Stand on Zanzibar, you are ready for anything. Not that I don't like it, but, man, this one took a couple of tries.

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    5. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting they embiggen the cromulentness of their storage standards?

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    6. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Why use made up prefixes when you can just use a googolbyte?

    7. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't agree. Gibson uses grandiose metaphors and similes like a cook uses butter. Neuromancer is wonderful, but easy to read it is not(just like all of Gibson's writing).

      Keanu can fit the visual I have, but he doesn't fit the person. Hard to say who would fit the person, though. I hope they go with a neophyte.

    8. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Why use made up prefixes when you can just use a googolbyte?

      Because in 15 years, when googolplexibytes fit in thumb drives, everyone will laugh at the quaint movie that featured a future full of googolbyte drives.

    9. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      Nobody will ever need more than 640 googolbytes

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    10. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      Neuromancer will be great. All cyberpunk and cool, like The Matrix.

      The Neuromancer sequels will be awful with 30 minute rave scenes and too much CG fighting. Also, like The Matrix sequels.

    11. Re:Not an Easy Book to Read by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Neuromancer really rewards the reader on the third reading. Then you know the lingo, you know the pacing, you know the plot, and you can enjoy it all.

      I used to learn new languages by buying the local translation of Neuromancer. Since I already knew the text inside out and backwards in English, I could focus on the words and structures of the foreign language that I was learning. Of course, you end up speaking like Case or Molly. That may not work to your advantage.

  9. Worried. by technoid_ · · Score: 2

    Due to how badly Gibson's big screen adaptation of Johnny Mnemonic butchered the original story, I am worried this too will tarnish my memories of William Gibson's works. Some stories are better off not being made into movies at all versus being made into a bad movie.

    While we are at it, lets ruin a few other cyberpunk classics such as Snowcrash by Stephenson and Software/Wetware from Rudy Rucker.

    BTW: Get off my lawn.

    technoid_

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    1. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Diamond Age ONLY if Terry Gilliam were to direct it.

    2. Re:Worried. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you're that concerned, skip the movie and play the video game.

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    3. Re:Worried. by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Due to how badly Gibson's big screen adaptation of Johnny Mnemonic butchered the original story, I am worried this too will tarnish my memories of William Gibson's works. Some stories are better off not being made into movies at all versus being made into a bad movie.

      While we are at it, lets ruin a few other cyberpunk classics such as Snowcrash by Stephenson and Software/Wetware from Rudy Rucker.

      BTW: Get off my lawn.

      technoid_

      Yeah, that worries me slightly too. The screenplay of Johnny Mnemonic was poor. I think if they borrowed some of the folks that worked on The Matrix trilogy, the filmmakers might actually be able to weave a good story. I think the entire premise hinges on remaining exactly true to the book and only deviating in the slightest, most invisible ways. They should even borrow dialogue from the book.

    4. Re:Worried. by maxume · · Score: 1

      If a botched movie adaption ruins the book for you, you are doing it wrong.

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    5. Re:Worried. by Matheus · · Score: 1

      I loved that game. Played excellent on my Amiga 2000 :)

      The movie has a high percentage of suckage. I'll be positive and have hope for something great but I'll be surprised if this is any better than Tron Legacy ended up being... (note: I actually liked a lot of Legacy... just didn't live up to expectations)

    6. Re:Worried. by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      And "True Names", by Vernor Vinge.

      I don't remember there being anything in "Neuromancer" that couldn't be updated to today's technology without any problems, but I don't have much faith in Hollywood's ability to make it appealing to 'Joe Sixpack' (always the highest priority) while still remaining appealing to geek types.

    7. Re:Worried. by vbraga · · Score: 1

      Johnny Mnemonic was recut to be more of an action movie and was probably botched in this process. The Japanese cut, a little longer, is a tad more interesting. It would be great to see a directors' cut and check if it was better.

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    8. Re:Worried. by Desler · · Score: 1

      This just in: Movie studios attempt to make their movies appeal to the people who make up the vast majority of the paying movie goers. Film at 11.

    9. Re:Worried. by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I was lamenting this, not acting as though it were something new.

    10. Re:Worried. by Desler · · Score: 1

      Did you think the movie was ever going to be made otherwise? Unless some indie studio was going to pick it up, you're never going to see a movie made that appeals to a miniscule niche audience as Neuromancer would.

    11. Re:Worried. by SamuraiHoedown · · Score: 1

      Well its easy to butcher a movie adaptation ofhttp://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/11/05/20/1519252/emNeuromancerem-Movie-Deal-Moving-Forward?utm_source=rss1.0&utm_medium=feed# a story that was all of 21? pages. They had to make up new content for 80% of the movie.

    12. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I played that game when I was 11. It completely blew my mind. Played it again in my 30s and was still very happy with the experience.

    13. Re:Worried. by theArtificial · · Score: 2

      Due to how badly Gibson's big screen adaptation of Johnny Mnemonic butchered the original story,

      IIRC part of which was due to Gibson wanting to retain rights to specific characters (Molly for starters).

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    14. Re:Worried. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You should not watch the movie. Think: How do you want to cram a 20+ hour read into 120 minutes? You will see a lot of it cut, by the simple laws of movie making. Gibsons books also tend to "suffer" from something I vastly enjoy: He doesn't explain jack. He expects you to know what an Ono-Sendai is, or to puzzle it together from the context, you're expected to know the world and if you don't, well, sucks to be you. It actually improves the experience of a dog-eat-dog future where nobody is holding your hand. Not even the author is holding yours, the reader's, to understand his book. You're on your own, good luck. Pretty much like the characters in the book.

      If you do that in the fast paced setting of a movie where you can't flip back a few pages so you might gain a bit of understanding, the viewer is quickly lost in the experience and his attention vanishes. You MUST give the viewer a few rules or a few anchors to root his reality on your movie, if you don't do that your viewer will swim and consider your movie "confusing" and "patched together" because he cannot make the connections.

      This will invariably happen if they put the book faithfully onto the silver screen. If they don't, purists will complain that they butchered the book, plus they'll have to sacrifice a lot of time to just the explanations, which again reduces the time left to actually tell the story. And cramming that story into less than 3 hours is already a feat.

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    15. Re:Worried. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Gibson's fault. Hollywood got "creative" with it.

    16. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diamond Age is one sick puppy... How about an anime series or mini series instead? 2-3 hours is simply not enough :\

    17. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain Primer. Oh, you mean big-budget action/CGI fests that are shot in three different countries with the same handful of actors we've seen a hundred times working a plot that got filtered through a committee. Gee, shucky-darn.

    18. Re:Worried. by plover · · Score: 1

      The problem I have is that a lot of what I like about Gibson's books is his writing. He uses analogies in clever ways: "The switch on Damien's Italian floor lamp feels alien: a different click, designed to hold back a different voltage, foreign British electricity. Mirror-world. The plugs on appliances are huge, triple-pronged, for a species of current that only powers electric chairs, in America. Cars are reversed, left to right, inside; telephone handsets have a different weight, a different balance; the covers of paperbacks look like Australian money."

      Once he's established the setting, the phrase "mirror-world" invokes it anywhere in the book. 230 pages later: "She follows Ngemi toward the nearest mirror-world trailer. It has a shallow, centrally peaked roof that reminds her of drawings of Noah's ark in books for children, and on its back a square, faded mirror-world license plate, "LOB" and four numerals."

      He has this way of capturing the essence of a very big thing in a very few words. It's all stylistic writing, which does not translate to the screen.

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    19. Re:Worried. by blincoln · · Score: 1

      "Due to how badly Gibson's big screen adaptation of Johnny Mnemonic butchered the original story, I am worried this too will tarnish my memories of William Gibson's works."

      When I was younger, I was somewhat mystified as to why Gibson's stories seemed so amazing on paper, but disappointing to me on the screen.

      It wasn't until almost a decade later that I remembered something he'd said when I interviewed him back in the late 90s. I don't remember his exact wording, but it was something like "when someone is reading a novel, they're getting a completely custom, one-off 'film' in their mind".

      Suddenly, I had a shocking realization: it wasn't that the people adapting his work for film or television were doing a terrible job of it. It was that I was imagining a very different fictional world than the one he actually wrote about.

      In my mind (and a lot of peoples', I think), the world of Neuromancer is grim and bleak. That is, it not only looks like Bladerunner, but it makes its fictional inhabitants feel the way watching Bladerunner makes us feel.

      What I've started to believe is that this is not really the case for Gibson himself. There is certainly a lot of the look of Bladerunner in Neuromancer (they draw on the same inspirations, like Heavy Metal comics), but there is also a huge helping of quirky humour, like the Rastafarian space station (or if you go back to Johnny Mnemonic (the short story) itself, elements like the "Aryan Reggae Band").

      When I read Neuromancer, those elements are sort of in the background - little one-offs that briefly lighten the mood, like Sebastian's "I make friends!" line in Bladerunner, or the way Doctor Who will have a funny scene right before stabbing the viewer in the gut with something sad. But I think Gibson intended them as being close to (if not fully) on equal footing with the more serious aspects.

      If you watch Johnny Mnemonic (the film), or either of the X-Files episodes that Gibson wrote with this in mind, I think you'll see what I mean. All of them are set in a world that looks grim and gritty, but the story itself is actually not. Sort of like The Fifth Element, another Heavy Metal-inspired film.

      Anyway, I don't know if I'm right, but the more I think about it, the more I believe I am. Just follow the trail that each of his successive novels points in. Each one is more fantastical and less-serious overall than the previous one.

      Track down the shooting script for Johnny Mnemonic - the one that Gibson himself claims is much closer to his original vision for the film. It's really not substantially different than what ended up on screen, at least in the ways that I'm thinking of.

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    20. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'd tell the viewer to RTFB before they come to the movie; that should satisfy the reality-anchoring needs.

      Then again, my movie would probably lose money because only SF fans would watch it (and half of them would 'torrent it in lieu of buying the bluray), so they probably shouldn't listen to me...

    21. Re:Worried. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How do you want to cram a 20+ hour read into 120 minutes?

      Some of us read faster than that, you insensitive clod! It takes me no more than four hours to knock off any but Gibson's longest works.

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    22. Re:Worried. by kronosopher · · Score: 1

      Really? "The Matrix" and "good story" in the same sentence?

    23. Re:Worried. by fractoid · · Score: 1

      This just in: Movie studios attempt to make their movies appeal to the people who make up the vast majority of the paying movie goers. Film at 11.

      Alternately, "I downloaded a movie and I was disappointed that they did not cater to my demographic." :P

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    24. Re:Worried. by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Gibsons books also tend to "suffer" from something I vastly enjoy: He doesn't explain jack. He expects you to know what an Ono-Sendai is, or to puzzle it together from the context, you're expected to know the world and if you don't, well, sucks to be you.

      This is awesome when done properly, and incredibly annoying when done poorly. I recently read a novel called Quantum Thief where the first 100+ pages of the book, he's throwing a few new terms a page into the mix and it's only really clear what they mean much later in the novel (if ever). I'm glad I struggled past that point because the rest of the novel is pretty awesome. Compare and contrast The Windup Girl which I'm in the middle of now, which leaves just enough for the reader to figure out while still making it possible to read fluently as a story, rather than as some kind of crazy cryptic crossword.

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    25. Re:Worried. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Gibson novels are like millions of bucks: The first one's the hardest. :)

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    26. Re:Worried. by abundance · · Score: 1

      Well, New Rose Hotel by Abel Ferrara was very good IMHO.

      But there we had a truly great artist as a director, and a much easier to adapt short story as source material.
      And it was definitely not a Hollywood blockbuster production.

      Really don't know what we could expect from Vincenzo Natali.
      IMDB credits him as a storyboard artist for Johnny Mnemonic.
      Let's just hope that while drawing scenes he kept laughing, shaking his head and saying "wtf is this crap, I'd never do it like that if I could direct it" =)

    27. Re:Worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, Gibson isn't writing the screen play for this one. He already proved to us that he couldn't do it for Mnemonic. My biggest concern is how Case's character will be interpreted by the actor. I doubt he will get it.

  10. London? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does London replace Amsterdam from the book?

  11. Zeerust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By the time this thing comes out it's going to be contemporary fiction... if not alternate history.

  12. Please be good by oh2 · · Score: 1

    I think Neuromancer has aged quite well. Sure, we dont use VR goggles, but its still early days as far as the net goes. Bionics, custom drugs and corporate espionage...well...I never believed that a company like Blackwater would come into existence...

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    1. Re:Please be good by dryriver · · Score: 1

      Neuromancer doesn't feature VR goggles. The characters in the book 'jack in' to cyberspace by plugging a cable into a jack surgically inserted behind the ear. Its a direct-to-brain interface that makes you feel/believe you are really in cyberspace.

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    2. Re:Please be good by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      ...I never believed that a company like Blackwater would come into existence...

      And that's just the one that everybody knows about because of their bad habit of killing Iraqi civilians in public. How many other "private security firms" are there out there doing even more questionable things that we never hear about?

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    3. Re:Please be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youre right. My bad. Guess I need a reread.

    4. Re:Please be good by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      They actually use dermal contact electrodes to get into cyberspace.

      The jacks behind the ear are for installing software into your brain (called "microsoft", ironically), like languages or databases.

    5. Re:Please be good by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Already been corrected, but I think you are thinking of Snow Crash, not Neuromancer.

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    6. Re:Please be good by lolcutusofbong · · Score: 1

      That was intentional. Microsoft was founded in 1975, and Neuromancer was published nine years later.

    7. Re:Please be good by blair1q · · Score: 1

      None.

      Blackwater pays enough and, likely, acts enough like The Mob, with obvious capabilities to carry out any "suggestions" they might make as to the consequences of certain decisions, that any startup competition soon becomes a subsidiary.

      Their pricing (about 10X the cost of actual military) is further evidence they're not being undercut by anyone.

    8. Re:Please be good by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      I too think Neuromancer aged well. In fact it inspired "The Matrix" and that movie did well.

      Think about it. Case is comparable to Neo, Molly is comparable to Trinity, and Armitage is comparable to Morpheous. I'm not saying that the Matrix has a one-to-one relationship with Neuromancer, just that I can see that "The Matrix" was inspired by Nueromancer. Especially since Gibson coined the phrase "cyberspace", "jacked-in", and "the matrix" and used them within Neuromancer.

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    9. Re:Please be good by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Their pricing (about 10X the cost of actual military) is further evidence they're not being undercut by anyone.

      Also proof that shatters the Teabaggers' lie that the free market is always cheaper than the gubbamint.

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  13. No cell phones by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    I wonder how they will deal with the banks of pay phones ...

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    1. Re:No cell phones by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      I hope they just stick with the universe the book was in. There is no need to make it historically accurate.

    2. Re:No cell phones by proslack · · Score: 1

      Line of big screen TVs in a store window.

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    3. Re:No cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wow! They put phones in booths now! This is great, I don't need to carry this cell phone everywhere anymore!"

  14. Great. Now where's Snowcrash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the movie I'm waiting for....

  15. NO 3D!!!!!! by fallen1 · · Score: 1

    For the love of all that is holy and unholy, please do NOT shoot this movie in 3D. Tell the story as close to "as written" as you can and put good visuals backing the story up on the screen and the audience will get it. No, cyberpsace does not have to be in 3D to tell the story correctly. It can all be done in 2D and tell an amazing story including all the cyberspace portions of it. And for fuck's sake - get the Sprawl correct!! The Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis must have that same Blade Runner-esque feeling to it -- the domes, condensation from them, broken neon, dirty, used up.

    Blade Runner was in 2D and would have sucked ass in 3D. Neuromancer can have the same impact as Blade Runner by doing one thing - telling the damn good story from the book on the big screen. Period.

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    1. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by dryriver · · Score: 1

      Neuromancer was the first Scifi book (as far as I'm aware) to feature fully 3D, immersive, abstract CYBERSPACE (called 'Matrix' in the book). What would you gain from portraying that 'natively 3D' cyberspace with flat 2D filmmaking? And btw, BladeRunner doesn't 'suck' in Stereo 3D.

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    2. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by Sentry23 · · Score: 1

      Shall we tell them to shoot in black and white or SD as well ?
      If you say that 3D sucks, you are just as short sighted as some directors who think that everything in 3D is great.

      If the movie is great, seeing it in 3D won't break the story.

      However, seeing cyberpunk movies so far.. we'll probably get a 17 year old blond Molly with a soft spot for ponies.
      I'm more worried about that side of the movie.

    3. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Do the matrix scenes in 3D, and do the non matrix scenes in 3D with no depth. This would make it an interesting watch as it would be more true to the material (at least to me). God, I need to reread that one again, it was pretty amazing even as recent as 2002.

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    4. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      I may be an old timer, but honestly 2 things bother me about more recent movies.

      1. The use and abuse of CG for sets; i honestly find that often sets done with cardboard, smoke machines and whatnot do have a more genuine and real feel to them than rendered backdrops. CG is just too damm clean, especially for this kind of scifi. Have dirt, rust, noise, chaos...

      2. The "3D" shooting so popular nowadays is nothing but a gimmick; fake 3D never made any movie better, nor did HD. If your movie sucks it just sucks no matter how many pixels, audio channels and other gimmicks you put into it. Can't polish a turd.

    5. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Blade Runner comparison is pretty heinous as it very, very loosely resembled the original story on which it was based.
      As for 3D, I understand why you're saying what you're saying, most neo-3D movies, whether shot that way or otherwise, are shit, because any movie needing a gimmick to market it is likely a marketing vehicle first and a film second. 3D doesn't inherently make a movie shit though obviously. That's a syllogism, pal.

    6. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could not agree more, and I'm a amateur cinematographer. 3d and CG can wreck a movie so horribly.
      Blade runner is one of the last great analog effects movies. and looks better than any (cough.. avatar) trip put out today.

    7. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by jonwil · · Score: 1

      3D is not the real problem (done right by someone who knows what they are doing, e.g. James Camron and Avatar it can be good), its films shot in 2D and then "upconverted" to "fake" 3D. Either old films redone in 3D to make a buck *cough*Star Wars*cough* or new films shot in 2D because shooting in 3D is more expensive than shooting in 2D and upconverting into 3D later. (the recent THOR film is good example of the latter)

      If they actually shoot this film in 3D (or bits of it in 3D and bits in 2D like they did with Tron Legacy), it could work. If they shoot it in 2D then upconvert the film (or bits of it) into 3D later, forget about it.

    8. Re:NO 3D!!!!!! by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Why would Blade Runner have 'sucked in 3D'? You can have a grungy dystopian future city in 3D just as well as in 2D. The actual scene that they filmed was three-dimensional and that didn't spoil anything. I think maybe what you see as "3D movies suck" is actually "terrible movies that exist for no other reason than gratuitous use of 3D suck by definition"?

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  16. Re:Please don't screw it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. This book is a bit like "Dune" in that there is a lot of subtlety. If they plan to make a David Lynch monstrosity, then best not to do it at all.

  17. Who should play Molly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My question is who are they going to get to play Molly the "Razorgirl"? That would be a big make or break decision for me. =)

    Molly shows up in a bunch of Gibon's other books so whoever they pick could appear in potential future Gibson book to movie translations.

    1. Re:Who should play Molly? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Molly was in the Johnny Mnemonic short story but was replaced in the movie specifically so it wouldn't hurt a movie retelling of Neuromancer. Of course that was so many years ago and studios are so fond of changing details it's hard to tell if Molly will show up or if something else will be written in.... though I am not sure it really could be Neuromancer without Molly Millions...

    2. Re:Who should play Molly? by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      I would not at all be unhappy if they got Dina Meyer to do it again.

    3. Re:Who should play Molly? by dryriver · · Score: 1

      Molly is going to be played by Arnold Schwarzenegger wearing a black wig and a leather skirt. She will sound 'a little Austrian', which will add to the mystique of Neuromancer. When her fingernail blade implants don't work, she will pick enemies up by their hair and throw them into the filming 3D camera, making it seem like they fly out of the screen at you in IMAX3D. =)

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    4. Re:Who should play Molly? by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      My question is who are they going to get to play Molly the "Razorgirl"? That would be a big make or break decision for me. =)

      Back in the '90s I thought Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro) or Linda Fiorentino would have been good choices. They're a bit old for it now. Gina Gershon could have pulled it off too.

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    5. Re:Who should play Molly? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Milla Jovovich getting too old?

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    6. Re:Who should play Molly? by AmElder · · Score: 1

      Michelle Rodriguez has the right swagger.

      In my dream casting, Jackie Earle Haley plays the Finn and some aging action star plays Armitage (Bruce Willis, Tom Cruise, or Mel Gibson).

    7. Re:Who should play Molly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's how I would have cast everyone else back in the early-mid-90s:

      Case: Michael Pare
      Armitage: Brian Dennehy
      Ratz: Kurtwood Smith, maybe Sam Neil
      The Finn: John Polito (the "brother shamus" from Big Lebowski)
      McCoy Pauley (Dixie Flatline): Charles Napier (voice)
      Riviera: Tim Roth, maybe Johnny Lee Miller (Sick Boy)
      Maelcum: Denzel Washington
      Ashpool: Jeremy Irons
      3Jane: Amanda Plummer
      Pierre: Stellan Skarsgard
      Roland: David Sheiner
      Michele: Miranda Richardson

      Naturally they would have cast unknowns in the supporting roles unless it was a huge-budget production, but these are the actors I picture when I read the book.

    8. Re:Who should play Molly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add to that:

      Linda Lee: Elizabeth Shue (if she's not Asian)
      Wage: Peter Greene
      Julius Deane: James Hong (if he is Asian)

      Possibly substitute Harvey Keitel as Ratz, Anthony Hopkins as Armitage and Clancy Brown as Dixie Flatline.

  18. By bringing them back, of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the future, AT&V, being the sole global provider for cell phones, charges outrageous prices and has bandwidth caps in place so tight that you can't even download a lolcat.

    The payphone is reborn.

  19. IMDB scores for Neuromancer Director by dryriver · · Score: 2

    The highest score director Vincenzo Natali has on IMDB is 7.5/10 for the 1997 Scifi film "Cube". He has completed 11 projects as director and has never reached a 8/10 on any of them. Average scores by project type are listed here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622112/filmorate Average scores (IMDB) by type of involvement in projects: --- Art Department 7.24 -- Director 6.59 -- Writer 6.84 -- Thanks 6.77 -- Actor 8.10 -- Miscellaneous Crew 6.50 -- Producer 6.40 -- Unless the strength and originality of Neuromancer's story/characters/universe/plot devices inspires him to "reach new heights", this is going to be a probable 7/10 movie (not bad, but not great either). They could have given Neuromancer to a heavyweight like Fincher, Scott, Spielberg or someone like Mathieu Cassovitz (of "La Heine" fame) and it would probably have turned out tremendous. Alfonso Cuarón who did a tremendous job on "Children of Men" comes to mind as well. I hope they don't f%ck this up. Neuromancer is brilliant material. Definitely in the Top 5 best realistic Scifi books category if you ask me.

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    1. Re:IMDB scores for Neuromancer Director by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Not Spielberg. He really screwed up "AI" simply by going too long. He insisted on doing the whole treatment by Kubrick but I believe Kubrick would have had the foresight to know that the whole ending part of that movie was extraneous. If Spielberg would have simply left the story off where the android "kills" himself if would have been a great movie. He needs to keep away from sci-fi now...

    2. Re:IMDB scores for Neuromancer Director by dryriver · · Score: 1

      AI is a much better film than people gave it credit for (Kubrick's version would probably have been more 'genius' of course). I had a chance to watch it again on cable the other day and AI was much better than I remembered from the 1st viewing.

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    3. Re:IMDB scores for Neuromancer Director by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      What about Luc Besson?

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  20. make a 2x2x2 cube by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    the measurements for each dimension are:

    x: popular with general audiences, unpopular with general audiences

    y: financially successful, financial failure

    z: popular with subculture fanatics, unpopular with subculture fanatics

    ok, now amongst those 8 spaces, place your bets:

    like lord of the rings? (winner on all 3 dimensions)

    like watchmen? (winner in both popularities, loser financially)

    like solaris? (only a winner with the subculture of diehards)

    like tron? (winner in general popularity, failure in subculture popularity, winner financially)

    etc., etc.

    8 possible outcomes

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    1. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      It's really too bad about Solarius... I believed that was a really great movie of a russian movie that, while ground breaking, will put you to sleep in 5 minutes...

    2. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      How could watchmen win in both categories and lose financially?

    3. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      happens a lot, due to 2 reasons:

      1. take the shawshank redemption. one of the most beloved movies ever. but it was a box office disappointment. some movies grow on you over time, prove durable and to wonderful stories. but due to bad marketing or timing, just didn't recoup the production fee. i'm not saying watchmen is as good as the shawshank redemption, but reactions have been mostly positive

      2. not enough people showed up at the theatres to make the thing profitable. of course, it wasn't even remotely unpopular in theatres: it made over a hundred million dollars. its just that it cost $150 million to make and market! although, with hollywood accounting, dvd, ancillary sales, syndication, blah blah blah, who knows what the real figures are

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    4. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      By costing too much to make.

      Though I don't think it was, the "gross" and "budget" numbers on the wikipedia page for it show it having a ROI of over 40% (though I know nothing about movie accounting and what budget actually includes) which doesn't seem like losing to me...

    5. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Your X and Z axes are independent, but your Y axis is a function of X and Z, mostly X. I think what you wanted for Y was, "Is it any good?" and then you'd have a $ axis as a function of the other three, but still mostly of X.

    6. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really too bad about Solarius... I believed that was a really great movie of a russian movie that, while ground breaking, will put you to sleep in 5 minutes...

      You are probably referring to the 1972 version by Andrei Tarkovsky (full movie, part 1), which has nothing to do with the ideas from the book but everything about Tarkovsky's own ideas (which is within his rights, but I hate this movie). There is an older 1968 version, by Boris Nirenburg, which looks more like a stage play. (full movie, part1 in Russian, fragment with English subtitles) Nirenburg stays close to the book - I don't understand Russian, but after having read Lem's book about 20 times I can follow pretty well, even if it is a talky - a full version with subtitles would be welcome tho. I have not seen the 2002 movie by Steven Soderbergh.

    7. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comic books are for low lifes. That's the long and short of it.

    8. Re:make a 2x2x2 cube by fractoid · · Score: 1

      How could watchmen win in both categories and lose financially?

      Hollywood Financial Magic. I'm not an expert in the subject myself, but from what I've read, you could shoot a movie on a $20 gumstick camera, produce it in a shoebox for another $20, make $100 million in premiere sales, and still not turn a profit.

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  21. Re:Cool by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

    Off topic and most likely trolling, but I have to admit I have a hard time getting into fiction as well.

    What fiction I do read is the classics; Hemingway, Dickens, etc. Never could get into sci-fi or related genre.

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  22. NO! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    :-(

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  23. I just have one question... by Xorlium · · Score: 1

    ...will it have Will Smith in it?

    1. Re:I just have one question... by dryriver · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes. He will play 'Cyberspace' by wearing a bodysuit covered in blinking LED lights, neon glowstrips and such on a darkened set.

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  24. It's a fail - almost certainly by dejaniv · · Score: 1

    It will be so easy to screw up this one. Some stories fit only in books. I guess they can base movie on Neuromancer, but that's the whole different set. Just like Blade Runner - great movie but different story focus from the original book. And that one was made in seventies. You know, before theaters were filled up by Fast And Furious 1 to 16. It's a fail - almost certainly.

    1. Re:It's a fail - almost certainly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Blade Runner - great movie but different story focus from the original book. And that one was made in seventies.

      Since when was 1981 in the seventies?

    2. Re:It's a fail - almost certainly by dejaniv · · Score: 1

      Since when was 1981 in the seventies?

      Well yeah, it was shot early eighties, and it started screening in 1982 but there was *a lot* going on before they started shooting, so the whole idea for the movie developed in the seventies.

      Anyway, you're right - I therefore correct my previous statement by replacing "seventies" with "early eighties".

    3. Re:It's a fail - almost certainly by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

      Max Headroom (the TV show on ABC in America) proves that cyberpunk can be done well on the screen. There's no reason why Neuromancer is necessarily doomed.
      Personally, I'd be delighted if it was a huge flop for general audiences but a huge hit for those plugged into the book.

      Then again, I'm a huge fan. I disliked the BBC radio play for Neuromancer because even if the same things happened that were in the book, they happened for different reasons in the play. That alone ruined it for me, and the BBC was attempting a faithful copy.

  25. Wait until the Hollywood suits get ahold of it by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We have introduced the idea to demographic panels assembled from shoppers at Mall of America, and feedback is generally ambivalent, with many blank stares. However, we have found that this movie will do better in the 18-34 female demographic if 'Neuromancer' is retitled 'New Romancer.' Also, there should be more bodily humor and scatological jokes. 'Too weird', 'I don't get it', 'Something your weird brother would watch', and a doodle of a cat is the dominant impression of the movie from the questionnaire forms. We also suggest cutting the running length from 2 hours, 30 minutes to 45 minutes. This can be accomplished with little damage to the source material and remaining true to the author's original intent, by removing only the plot and the coherency. Plot and coherency seemed to matter the least to the demographic in our surveys."

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    1. Re:Wait until the Hollywood suits get ahold of it by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Starring Robert Pattinson, who will ad lib all of his lines. However, his shirt will be removed exactly as Mr. Goldsman will script it.

    2. Re:Wait until the Hollywood suits get ahold of it by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

      This is probably the single most important reason I think Big Content is ultimately more harmful to our culture than good. Copyright one can always be infringed if there are no other options, but how does one battle a torrent of mediocre crap?

      Fortunately, technology is putting power back into the ones who have vision, and not just cash.

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    3. Re:Wait until the Hollywood suits get ahold of it by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      LOL ;-)

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    4. Re:Wait until the Hollywood suits get ahold of it by fuck.your.politics · · Score: 1

      yep, pretty much.

  26. Really? by Rizimar · · Score: 0

    They're remaking The Matrix so soon?

  27. So.... by TimeElf1 · · Score: 1

    So now that Neuromancer is out of development hell can we get Snow Crash next? Preferably with a great script and a great director to helm it.

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    1. Re:So.... by tgv · · Score: 1

      I fear that's going to be prohibitively expensive.

    2. Re:So.... by jackbird · · Score: 1

      The action takes place in a storage unit and other structures (soundstage), on a highway (backlot), in a small boat on open water (soundstage/pool/CG), in a nonphotorealistic virtual world (greenscreen/CG), and a crazy manmade island (OK, that's an expensive set, but could probably be a few matte paintings/set extensions plus soundstage interiors). What am I forgetting?

      I think the more difficult obstacle to a Hollywood treatment is that the presence of a vaginal dentata is a major plot point.

    3. Re:So.... by TimeElf1 · · Score: 1

      I fear that's going to be prohibitively expensive.

      Perhaps but it would look cool maybe a anime type movie instead of live action.

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    4. Re:So.... by tgv · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of the raft, indeed, and the crazy Kourier stunts, and the concert scenes. Blowing up an airport is standard stuff. I'm sure the script writer will find a way of weaseling out of the dentata. The plot doesn't really hinge on it anyway.

    5. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cut out the dentata part.

    6. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But presumably you left in the scene where Fisheye uses Reason to make mincemeat out of Bruce Lee and his pirates?

      That part's not so...disturbing, eh?

    7. Re:So.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the more difficult obstacle to a Hollywood treatment is that the presence of a vaginal dentata is a major plot point.

      Not to mention that YT is only 15.

  28. Hmm...I don't know... by greymond · · Score: 1

    As someone who didn't read books like Neuromancer or Snow Crash until the early 2000's I don't know about this. The books were originally done in a time when the internet and virtual reality were something people thought they were more than they really are, ideas that lead to such nonsense as the latest Tron movie where a virtual world somehow creates it's own life form and can then come to...our life...Besides a lot of updating would need to take place, remember Johnny Mnemonic could only hold 160GB in his head and that was AFTER a "doubler" was applied...

    I would chuckle if they had Keanu do some type of a cameo as Johnny in the movie though his character isn't in that book, I think Molly is the only one who is in all the stories IIRC...

    1. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Don't forget... Molly relates the story of Johnny to Case as she's climbing up to Straylight. You could do a flashback voiceover thing. But I think that'd be a terrible idea.

      If nothing else, I think that blecherous losing monstrosity of a movie needs to be dismembered, burned, and buried in multiple places, not referred to.

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    2. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      AI? Neural Interface? Industrial espionage through hacking? Abilty to shadow someone through an interface, or replay a previously recorded experience? I think you are thinking of Snow Crash more then Neuromancer. Neuromancer didn't have any VR, it had direct neural interfacing.

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    3. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by greymond · · Score: 2

      Neuromancer is the name of one of the AI's in the book...Wintermute is the other one...they merge at the end of the book into "sum of the whole" or something like that they it refers to itself as.

    4. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neuromancer didn't have any VR, it had direct neural interfacing

      VR doesn't have to be goggles and gloves. It just means "virtual reality," which the Matrix (cyberspace) fits quite nicely. It's an imaginary space that people inhabit and experience with their senses.

      Gibson described it as "A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts. ⦠A graphic representation of data abstracted from banks of every computer in the human system."

    5. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Wait. You mean Science Fiction does things that can't really happen?

    6. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of difficult for Johnny to show up at all -- Molly said that as of Neuromancer, the Yakuza had killed him.

    7. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      To be fair, memory technology that would allow you to fit even 120GB in a space small enough to be implanted into the head is still science-fiction.

    8. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, memory technology that would allow you to fit even 120GB in a space small enough to be implanted into the head is still science-fiction.

      Really? You think 2-4 MicroSD cards would be too big to implant in the skull?

      There are cochlear implants larger than that!

    9. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I'm confused... TR2N: the enDudenment was "nonsense" -- so you disapprove of All Tomorrow's Parties (or really, the whole bridge trilogy) as well? Or might the real issue be that tr2n had nonsensical explanations for impossible "events", and that relatively sensible explanations of the same events as manifestations of more advanced tech (instead of a decades-old laser scanner) can make for a good (if clearly fictional) story?

    10. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by fractoid · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. A 32GB micro-SD card costs $35 and is small enough that finding space to implant four of them would not be a challenge.

      The actual brain / machine interface is the hard bit.

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    11. Re:Hmm...I don't know... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      The actual brain / machine interface is the hard bit.

      I thought you just let the nervous system figure it out for itself?

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  29. old crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry this is about 20 years too late. which means its going to suck as hard as Tron -2 the resurrection of a dead franchise.

  30. Hooray by CSixx · · Score: 1

    I'm excited. Loved the book (and the Amiga/c64 game!). But then again, I also liked the movie Splice...

  31. Re:Cool by overlordofmu · · Score: 1

    Try the book the article is about. Poetry. Fucking poetry. It is not the laser-guns and spaceship sort of Sci-Fi you are used to (even if there are lasers and spaceships in it).

    Other reccomendations for the genre:

    Stranger in a Strange Land (unabridged only - don't read the 1961 version)
    The Ophiuchi Hotline - one hell of a twisted tale
    Anathem - but only if you are a nerd (you better be if you are here)

  32. I bet Gibson is turning in his grave! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait.....

    1. Re:I bet Gibson is turning in his grave! by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

      William Gibson continues to write fantastic novels. I'm not sure they can be called Science Fiction anymore, but they are wonderful nonetheless.

  33. Hopeful, but skeptical. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

    The nice thing about Gibson's cyberpunk novels is that the plot is generally compact enough that it should be relatively easy to fit it into a 2 hour movie.

    I don't think the subject matter is nearly as dated as some are suggesting. Certainly, it's no more quaint than the junk Hollywood movies constantly put out. But really, a writer with a reasonable amount of talent and sense would update and improve any those elements. The problem, of course, is that good writing seems to be a scarce resource in Hollywood.

    While this news has me excited I'm not confident that they wont just botch the whole thing. I can think of quite a few near-future sci-fi movies which have been terrible and have placed far too much emphasis on action.

  34. "Rant" by Chuck Palahniuk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While it's not a classic yet (and is somewhat unlikely to become one), I'd nominate "Rant" by Chuck Palahniuk to be made into a movie. It's got the whole neural interfaces, time travel, and dystopian future thing going on. It does take a second read through to really get the significance of what's going on though. Plus, since it was written so recently, it won't destroy any childhood memories of the original work like so many of these 'classic-literature-turned-to-movies' have done. The way the book's written would transition easily to the screen; playing out like a documentary. I'd love to see what Guillermo del Toro would do with it.

    1. Re:"Rant" by Chuck Palahniuk by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and the lead character travels through time to rape his mother when she's 13. I'll pass.

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    2. Re:"Rant" by Chuck Palahniuk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the virgin Mary wasn't a whole lot older than that when the angel Gabriel told her that she was pregnant. It's reasonable to think that that might just be the reason Chuck picked that age for Irene Casey's deflowering. And there's plenty of movies about the Nativity...
       
        Hell, if you treat the scene like the book treats most of its scenes, you wouldn't necessarily *see* anything happening; just a character being interviewed recounting how it happened. Just like how it happens on the evening news, or prime-time dramas where far worse atrocities are described in detail.

  35. Neuromance not really about the 'net by Akoman · · Score: 1

    Maybe its because I (mostly) grew up with the internet, but upon my recent re-reading Neuromancer really struck me as a story about redemption. Maybe its because like many 'post'-Depression people I worked a manual labour job and had seen "The Company Men" recently, but I think you'll see a lot of surface elements that we think are important stripped down to focus on that.

    1. Re:Neuromance not really about the 'net by mekkab · · Score: 2

      indeed, it's a story about self-actualization. The uniting of the two different AI halves is very zen.

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  36. Re:Cool by Chruisan · · Score: 1

    Probably could also try Earth by David Brin and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein. I'm reading Zero History by William Gibson.

  37. Keanu Reeves as Case by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    I believe the correct response is 'DO NOT WANT'....

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  38. Re:Cool by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

    Larry Niven.

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  39. The neverending story comes to mind... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

    Those who read the book know how horribly wrong a film adaptation can go... I think drawing parallels is relevant because both books have great movie potential, but also a huge amount of room for spectacular failure.

    But the possibility to fail is no reason for not trying, so more power to them. :)

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    1. Re:The neverending story comes to mind... by Rhywden · · Score: 1

      But there's also Momo which even starred the author himself (Michael Ende) in the beginning of the movie - and which is actually pretty true to the book.

    2. Re:The neverending story comes to mind... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 1

      But there's also Momo which even starred the author himself (Michael Ende) in the beginning of the movie - and which is actually pretty true to the book.

      I missed that one. (Then again I'm born in 1979.) Probably should see it sometime, thanks for the tip!

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  40. Re:Cool by bipedalhominid · · Score: 1

    Oh AND OR Jerry Pournelle.

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  41. In Soviet Russia... by dryriver · · Score: 1

    ...the Matrix jacks into YOU!

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  42. Re:Cool by Artifakt · · Score: 1

    I'd have to agree with you that the unabridged version of Stranger in a Strange land is much better, but is it a genre novel? As I understood it, Heinlein wanted the book to straddle the line between 'mainstream' fiction and SF, much like Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five". It's intended by the author to be read either like the SF elements are real, or like they are either a metaphor or a delusion of one or more of the characters. In Stranger's case, the reader just about has to accept some SF elements as objectively part of the story background, so I guess you can claim it's genre, but others, which in this case are far more important to the story, remain optional. Maybe Michael Valentine Smith really knows some things of a deep spiritual nature, or maybe he's just trying to think in a way no human can really think, due to being exposed to inhuman influences as a child. Maybe it's a religion, maybe it's alien superscience seen through the distorting lens of human limitations.

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  43. It can't be any worse than Johnny Mnemonic by dave562 · · Score: 1

    When Johnny Mnemonic came out I was so excited to see one of Gibson's books on the screen. The movie was horrible and completely butchered the material. There is no way that they can screw up Neuromancer that badly.

    1. Re:It can't be any worse than Johnny Mnemonic by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to fuck up any source material.

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  44. Oh dear god no..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crappy book written by someone who took their first computer back because it made a noise.... (the hard disc)

    1. Re:Oh dear god no..... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Yeah? And does your new computer make a noise?

      Dude is prescient.

  45. Re:Meh by blair1q · · Score: 1

    :-/

  46. Yes they can screw it up 'that badly' by dryriver · · Score: 1

    A number of things can go wrong... 1 - The budget gets slashed at the last minute (from dollar 55 million to dollar 25 million for example) because the producers have 'nagging doubts' about its merchantability. 2 - Bad casting choices that don't fit the characters in the book. 3 - Brutal editing and scene deletion to get the film under 2 hours (e.g. butchered to 102 minutes runtime with titles when 135 minutes are needed to tell the plot without jumpy pacing and loose ends). 4 - Dumbing down/oversimplification of the story. 5 - Changing the story to the point where Neuromancer becomes Neon-man-city. 6 - Poor art direction choices to make the material more appealing to 2012 cinema viewers (vs 1984 scifi book readers) Lots of smooth NURB design on everything (because NURBS sell mobile phones, cars and so on in the real world). 7 - Messing up the tech in the novel (brain-jacks are suddenly wireless with bluetooth-likee headsets)... the 'Matrix' is different from the novel... Case's 'deck' is made by Apple or Nokia with a big glowing logo on it. 8 - Trying to make Neuromancer more Matrixy (slow-mo action with 360 degree camera and so on). The list just goes on and on and on...

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  47. I could tell Gibson never touched a computer by JameskPratt · · Score: 2

    I read the book as a teenage and young adult. I noticed reading it that Gibson must have no experience with computers. I also found that part where written that well. I think its loved because ppl wanted to be hip about computers in the 80s and it been riding on that ever since.

    1. Re:I could tell Gibson never touched a computer by margeman2k3 · · Score: 1

      I remember reading somewhere that he wrote Neuromancer on a typewriter.

    2. Re:I could tell Gibson never touched a computer by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      I think its loved because ppl wanted to be hip about computers in the 80s and it been riding on that ever since.

      Speaking as one who was hip about computers in the 80's, I can quite confidently say that nobody but us nerds wanted to be hip about computers in the 80's. The 90's were when it started to become hip.

    3. Re:I could tell Gibson never touched a computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also found that part where written that well.

      From context, I think this sentence is supposed to be a negative criticism of Gibson's writing.

      If so, perhaps that's because it was written in English, which you clearly do not speak.

    4. Re:I could tell Gibson never touched a computer by JameskPratt · · Score: 1

      Yes, in the 90s he finally owned a computer. He had to call someone because his computer was making a funny sound. The person explained that the sound was the disk drive reading the disk.

  48. Don't forget The Princess Bride by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Don't forget The Princess Bride.

    Oh wait. That movie fscking ruled.

  49. I'm with you, bro! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    I keep telling them I don't want these flames coming out of my faucet!

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  50. wrong by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    with watchmen, it was popular, but a financial failure because it cost so much to produce and market

    if you make a movie for $1 million, and it makes $2 million in theatres, its unpopular but a financial winner

    if you make a movie for $150 million, and it makes $100 million in theatres, its popular but a financial loser

    there's also cases like shawshank redemption, which was a box office failure, but went on to be greatly loved in the television and video afterlife. here popularity grows over time (starting out as obscure, not starting out as unpopular)

    so no, sorry, Y is a firmly independent variable of X and Z

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    1. Re:wrong by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Titanic was far more expensive. Made how much money?

      You are totally overestimating the X value of Watchmen, and the amount it grossed proves it. Your Y is absolutely, incontrovertibly, dependent on X and Z. X and Z are somewhat dependent on my Y. In no case is the $ output independent of quality and popularity. You have revenue only because large numbers of people see your movie, no matter how cheap you build it.

  51. Akira - Live Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Akira (sings *hauntingly*): "Frere Jacques..."

    I think I'll pass on seeing both movies that shouldn't be made.

  52. It'll be worse than that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    As long as we don't have Keanu playing the main character, I think this movie will be all right.

    It's Hollywood. Don't get your hopes up. 99 times out of 100 they bungle things so badly you barely even recognize the source material.

    They'll cast Keanu as Case, brace yourself for that. And Molly will be probably be played by Fran Drescher. Wintermute will be voiced by Owen Wilson. And that's if you're lucky.

    The plot changes will be as maddening as what they did to Dune or the Lord of the Rings trilogy at a bare minimum. It wouldn't surprise me if they decide that Wintermute is actually a gnome running around in the computer net and have him pop out Wizard of Oz style and start granting wishes. He will of course be played by Danny DiVito.

    On a more serious note - just give up. Don't go see this movie. It's going to suck, it can't help but suck, and you'll be back here complaining about the suck after you watch it. Mark my words. Hollywood can't get anything right, ever. EVER.

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    1. Re:It'll be worse than that by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Hey I'm as big a LotR fanboy as you are but seriously... watch the movies, then read the books, then think critically about how much the bits they cut out of the books actually meant to the story. LotR was an epic and a formative work... but there was a LOT of excess fat that it could stand to lose.

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    2. Re:It'll be worse than that by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The plot changes will be as maddening as what they did to Dune

      The Dune movie was far superior to any of the books.

      I'll probably get slammed for saying that, but David Lynch is 100x the artist as Frank Herbert. He took some rather pedestrian purple prose and turned it into an expressionist nightmare with some indelible imagery.

      My main reaction to the book was impatience that there were still so many pages to go. Tedious. I remember discovering Frank Herbert about the same time that I discovered Joe Haldeman. Maybe it was suffering from the comparison to the great Haldeman that made me dislike Herbert's writing so much. It seemed like he was always working so hard for such a small payout. There was this sense of expectation that the big payoff was going to come after all his literary grunting and groaning, but it just sort of ended in a flappy fart.

      I remember seeing the movie Dune having been dragged there by friends and leaving feeling as if someone has spiked my milk-duds with a mild (if somewhat speedy) hallucinogen. Such is the genius of David Lynch. You actually have to "come down" after seeing a David Lynch film, even his less successful ones.

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    3. Re:It'll be worse than that by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I have the same opinion as you, but I haven't read Dune. I read his "The White Plague" many years ago, which was an awesome story, but a poorly-written novel. In describing it to friends, I used to say "Great story; three times too many words". Herbert must have been paid by the word, and perhaps on an exponentially-sliding scale...

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    4. Re:It'll be worse than that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the bits they left out, I mind the changes they put in. Big difference.

      I'll give you an example: Elrond giving Aragorn the sword of Isildur right before the paths of the dead.

      Hey Elrond. If you were committed to coming all that way anyways - we sure could have used your help with the Balrog.

      See? The changes are maddening. The look of the film is beautiful, I can understand omissions that don't add to the story (Bombadil, et al) but the changes are insane. You would have to be some kind of madman to think that you could possibly tell Prof. Tolkien's story better than he possibly could.

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    5. Re:It'll be worse than that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      I'll probably get slammed for saying that

      Yes. Yes you will. Starting now. ;)

      He took some rather pedestrian purple prose and turned it into an expressionist nightmare with some indelible imagery.

      He did nothing of the sort. He took a book that was a perfectly woven tapestry covering a half a dozen simultaneous themes and turned it into a nonsensical comic book. When I saw Dune in the theaters I wanted to know just what the hell it was that I just saw. Went out, bought the book, and fell in love with it.

      My wife is an English major. One of the books she was assigned to read was a "behind the scenes" book about major science fiction movies and their production. Dune was in there. In one version of the script Paul and Jessica were to have an incestuous affair. Salvador Dali was almost cast as Emperor Shaddam. Frank Herbert eventually just threw up his hands and said "do whatever the hell you want I don't care anymore." So, no. This movie is a quilt of spare parts and committee ideas, a pile of leftover crusts Hollywood left on the floor and decided were fit for public consumption. That's how it was made. It's a fact. If you liked it - that's fine. De gustibus non disputandum est. But don't knock the book. It's the deepest thing I've ever read.

      BTW, never read the Silmarillion. It's not for you.

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    6. Re:It'll be worse than that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      You can't possibly have the same opinion as him because his critique was a comparison of the movie versus the novel. If you haven't read the novel, you have no basis for comparison.

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    7. Re:It'll be worse than that by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      He took a book that was a perfectly woven tapestry

      We are going to have to disagree on that.

      My wife is an English major

      I'm an English Professor, retired. My specialty is Literary Theory. My undergraduate degree is in Film. That only qualifies me to leer at coeds, but I still say Frank Herbert sucks balls and David Lynch is a visionary. Lynch successfully fought off Hollywood and Herbert to make something that is more art than "sci-fi". He was not playing to the folks at the sci-fi conventions, he was playing to himself. I'm sorry that he messed up one of your favorites, though. I can understand that sentiment.

      This movie is a quilt of spare parts and committee ideas

      Do you know anything at all about David Lynch? There has never been a "committee idea" in any one of his films. He is a singular autocrat when it comes to the ideas in his films. Even the great Dennis Hopper was simply following Lynch's direction with the operatic performance in Blue Velvet. Lynch chooses actors who can be clean slates. The closest thing to a collaborator is Angelo Badalamenti, the composer who has worked on nearly all of the films (except Dune which had music, inexplicably, by the execrable Toto - forced on Lynch by "Hollywood". Lynch wanted Brian Eno.)

      But don't knock the book. It's the deepest thing I've ever read.

      I understand. And I hope you understand that I am not really "knocking the book" so much as knocking Herbert. The text has a value to you that goes beyond the quality of the writing. It's an artifact, a signifier, a totem. You probably read it at a meaningful time in your life.

      And I just hate space opera, unless its in the hands of someone who understands the "opera" part at least as well as the "space" part.

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    8. Re:It'll be worse than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lynch successfully fought off Hollywood and Herbert to make something that is more art than "sci-fi".

      Ah. That explains why SF fans (including me) can't stand to watch the film.

    9. Re:It'll be worse than that by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I very much can have the same opinion; I might not have expressed it to your satisfaction, so here goes:

      There was this sense of expectation that the big payoff was going to come after all his literary grunting and groaning, but it just sort of ended in a flappy fart.

      When I read the book "The White Plague" by the same author, I got the same feeling.

      (And, snarkiness aside, you are correct that there was some ambiguity in my original post, as I was referring to his side point. Then again, "Give me ambiguity, or give me something else.")

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    10. Re:It'll be worse than that by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that he messed up one of your favorites, though. I can understand that sentiment.

      Indeed. Now don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the look of the movie. It looks right. Mostly. But none of the characters do anything that makes sense. The weirding way being projectile voice boxes? If that's all they are then anyone can have them. The Emperor wouldn't have attacked the Atreides, he would have spied on them and stolen the secret. Why blow up something that useful? Why would Chani have helped Paul take the water of life? She knows it's fatal to men. She wouldn't do that to her lover - no way! In the book Paul snuck away and did it on his own. And reverend mothers do not have telepathy! If they could read minds the empire would be a different place completely. Kinda hard to have double agents like Dr. Yueh running around if you have a race of telepathic women hanging around all the royal courts, right?

      And that final scene! Rain on Dune because Paul really is a messenger of God. Wrong on so many levels. Paul was no such thing. He was simply manipulating a simple people by knowing their legends, legends that the Bene Gesserit planted eons ago as a lever to move them should such a need arise. It is a 100% rewrite of the character. And it makes no sense! In the extended version of Lynch's film they show a worm being poisoned with water to make the water of life. So. If it is established that water is toxic to the worms, and Paul makes it rain...what happens to the worms? They die, the spice dies with them, and the empire is doomed to a slow strangling death because the guild dies as well and interstellar transport becomes impossible. Nice work, messenger of God. You just doomed everyone.

      This is what I am talking about with the word tapestry. Pull one thread and the whole thing falls apart. You said it yourself, Lynch is an artist. Not a storyteller. Frank is the storyteller.

      And we agree on Lynch being a autocrat. That bio my wife had me read confirms it. Towards the end Frank just shrugged his shoulders and said "do whatever you want I don't care anymore I've already been paid" and that's why the film doesn't make any sense. It is a lovely acid trip on film but conveys very little of the story. The only real plus I'll give it is that it made me go buy the book so I could try to figure out what the hell it was that I had just seen.

      I can dig it that you don't like his style. It's not for everyone. I like it, but then again I think the Silmarillion is Tolkien's best work. I like things to be...well, grand. Frank and Prof. Tolkien are grand. And they both deserve better than Lynch and Jackson gave them. These truncated stories with frayed ends dangling that don't join up just seriously annoys the piss out of me.

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    11. Re:It'll be worse than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said it yourself, Lynch is an artist. Not a storyteller. Frank is the storyteller.

      Lynch has never been a good storyteller. He sets up interesting premises, characters, and settings, but can't tell a story to save his life.

      Everything I've ever seen by Lynch degenerates into chaos because he doesn't know what direction to take it. Ever see Mulholland Drive? What a fucking mess.

    12. Re:It'll be worse than that by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Lynch has never been a good storyteller.

      I disagree. Wild at Heart is some great storytelling.

      He can do it when it suits him. But usually, it doesn't suit him.

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    13. Re:It'll be worse than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, you've got to be kidding. He had a good story and good actors, and weirded it up (as usual) for no good reason. I gave up after the dog ran off with the hand in its mouth.

      Lynch isn't an artist, he's a film school student who got lucky and made it big. He's pretentious, corny and transparent. His only film that I found halfway tolerable was The Elephant Man.

    14. Re:It'll be worse than that by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Toto might have been "execrable" but the music in the movie was sheer awesome. All of it. The problem with Dune is that it feels poorly edited. It is like someone made a series of episodes and glued them together. The story does not flow normally and there are random acts of WTF every now and then. Take Emperor Shaddam IV's speech with the Guild Navigator about Ix and Richese. It matters nothing to the plot and you don't understand squat about it because there was like no intro to that bit. You could cut that and the movie wouldn't suffer one iota. There are some really harsh transitions between scenes. It is almost like an old Marvel comic book.

  53. Re:Cool by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    Slaughterhouse Five is considered to be SciFi? Besides the time traveling aspect, I don't really see it.

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  54. Supposedly, a movie for Altered Carbon is coming out soon too.

  55. MAYBE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :-|

  56. already done...plus there are better novels to do by optimism · · Score: 2

    Ridley Scott's "Blade Runner" nailed the dark & gritty future back in 1982, a couple years before Neuromancer was published.

    Wachowski brothers' "Matrix" nailed virtual reality in 1999.

    Dozens of other decent movies have riffed on these and related themes in the last 20 years. "Gamer" in 2009, "eXistenZ" in 1999, and "Magnetic Rose" in Katsuhiro Ohtomo's "Memories" (1995) come to mind.

    (Oh and let's not forget the "Wild Palms" miniseries back in 1993 that was directly influenced by Gibson's work. Or maybe we SHOULD forget it. ;)

    I'd love to see some of the works by Brin, Banks, Reynolds, and Vinge translated to film. However, "Dune" taught us that a richly imaginative scifi novel cannot be translated to a theater-length film (1984), and that it was not cheap enough to produce a decent quality series (2000).

    I look forward to the time, perhaps 10 years from now, when one of these authors' works can be made as a high-quality 20+ hour series.

  57. Can't make me; Don't want to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I plan to NOT watch this movie no matter what the reviews. I have pictures in my head from reading the novel, and I happen to like them the way they are. For exactly the same reason I refuse to watch any movie made from any book I really like, "The Road" being a recent example. I do admit that a good movie can come from a good book, "To Kill a Mockingbird" for example, but that was done years ago when craftsmen made movies for intelligent audiences. If remade today, Atticus Finch would be played by Justin Bieber and Tom by Snoop Dog.

    1. Re:Can't make me; Don't want to by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      OMFG, I had forgotten about "How to Kill a Mockingbird", that was fucking awsome!

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  58. duncan jones! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duncan Jones should be both writing and directing this movie. Or possibly Alfonso Cuarón.

  59. Yep, a little movie called BLADE RUNNER by mekkab · · Score: 1

    based on feel alone.

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  60. Dorsett? (with 2 T's EVEN) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The main character has a middle name of Dorsett? Why didn't anybody point this out to me? I would have read it years ago. I can't point other similarities I saw in the wiki.

    - a programmer with that as a sir name (so yea, not very anon.)

  61. Assume wireless competition means its crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Idea:

    Assume the wireless network is so polluted with competing systems that it costs a lot of money and paperwork to get a good hacker-quality connection, because everybody is using it for small trivialities. Then change "payphone" to "pay-as-you-go ethernet port"...

  62. Just like Asimov & P.K.Dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. However, I don't think the shitty movie adaptions of Asimov or PKD have tarnished their reputations.

  63. Er... not exactly family friendly.. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall a few scenes in Snow Crash, that weren't exactly family friendly. I am not sure how they might translate on screen. You could cut them all out I suppose.

  64. In reality, William Gibson is to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood to fuck up any source material.

    Don't blame Hollywood on this one. William Gibson wrote BOTH the novel AND the movie script. In other words, the book author is the one who failed to translate text novel fantasy into big screen visual reality, or failed to understand the differences between writing about future and recreating the visions of future.

  65. must haves: by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    1. Operation Screaming Fist.
    2. low-G / zero-G sequences in Freeside / villa Straylight
    3. Rastafarian space navy flying around in pot-smoke filled space tug.
    4. The conversation on the last page where wintermute/neurmancer says that it has found others like itself.

    Nah, this should go straight to DVD, with those side stories spun off as extras, where they can be properly unfurled.

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  66. Re:Cool by spun · · Score: 1

    Slaughterhouse Five is considered to be SciFi? Besides the time traveling aspect, I don't really see it.

    Besides the one thing that absolutely and unequivocally makes it sci fi, you don't see what makes it sci fi? Time travel is science fiction, and if that's not good enough for you, it also has aliens. Science Fiction doesn't mean it is set in the future and has space ships and blasters.

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  67. Re:Cool by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    Sure, but the time travel is never explained, nor do they go into any scientific aspects of it. So you consider ANY story with time travel or aliens to be SciFi? Just curious as everyone seems to define what SciFi is differently. Would you consider the movie Donnie Darko to be SciFi?

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  68. Re:Cool by spun · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I would consider Donny Darko to be science fiction. But it is a gray area, as the time travel isn't really explained. Perhaps speculative fiction is a better term. But science fiction doesn't need to have blasters, space ships, and robots to be science fiction. If it is about human interaction with a scientific or technological phenomenon including such things as aliens, time travel, or a universe made of rock where the planets are voids in the rock (a very old science fiction short I read) then it is science fiction.

    In fact, I would call Donnie Darko science fiction, while I would call Star Wars fantasy. Donnie Darko focuses on human interaction with a scientific phenomenon, time travel. Star Wars is just a fantasy story where blasters and the force replace magic.

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  69. could be really great by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    if done properly, or really really really bad if not.. I doubt there will be a middle ground with this.

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  70. Ringworld by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Larry Niven's Ringworld really should be done first.

    And what is with not even starting production for 2 more years.. then what, another 2 to film it.. perhaps 1 more to be cleaned up before its seen.. 5 years away is a LONG time to be talking about it today.

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  71. Well then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The plot doesn't Hinge on the Minge, so we're good?

  72. Re:Cool by jeko · · Score: 1

    Yep. Slaughterhouse Five is science fiction. So's Frankenstein. A Christmas Carol is a horror story, as is MacBeth. Lot's of famous stories properly belong to genres that they are not usually associated with. SciFi and Horror usually get so little respect that when an awesome SciFi/Horror story comes out, people tend to pop them out of the genre in their mind.

    Of course, even SciFi and Horror look down their noses at Fantasy... :-)

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  73. Sting doesn't want his MTV any more by jeko · · Score: 1

    OK, i just hit the stop button on my walkman. Um, you do know MTV doesn't play music videos any more, right? OK, going back to Yes "Owner of a Lonely Heart" on this cool new metal type tape...

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    1. Re:Sting doesn't want his MTV any more by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      TDK SA90's ROCK!

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    2. Re:Sting doesn't want his MTV any more by jeko · · Score: 1

      That they do. Got the entire works of Rush and Styx on mine. :-)

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  74. Re:Cool by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    I do not think that SciFi is all blasters and robots. But as you said, Star Wars is not SciFi and I do not consider it as such, but others do. Straight fantasy stuff - substitute the force for magic, blasters for swords, and stormtroopers for evil knights and you have a medieval fantasy. But if you are loose enough in definition saying all interaction with scientific or technological things, that is almost all movies/stories. I think when the story is based around such things it is easy to make the SciFi distinction. But if the story only involves those things on a minor level, where do you draw the line?

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  75. Re:Cool by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    Between the two of them, you have a well rounded writer.

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  76. Re:Cool by spun · · Score: 1

    But if the story only involves those things on a minor level, where do you draw the line?

    Good question, and probably the reason a lot of people don't consider Slaughterhouse Five to be science fiction.

    I just figured it out. I'm biased. I think of science fiction as 'cool' and people who like science fiction as 'interesting.' So I'm going to massage my definition of science fiction to include as much 'cool' stuff as possible, and exclude crap that is 'boring.' Thus, Slaughterhouse Five goes in, and Star Wars goes out.

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  77. Daemon would be even better than Snow Crash by MCRocker · · Score: 1

    Daemon would be even better than Snow Crash. Sure, it's not technically Cyber Punk, but it has all of the elements and is much more up-to-date and terrifying.

    Besides, The Delivinator won't work any more because the pizza delivery scene dropped the '30 minutes or free' thing for exactly the reasons that it was so sensational in Snow Crash. That is, pizza drivers who were afraid they'd have to pay for a late pizza would drive like crazy and occasionally get people killed.

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  78. CASE WAS A SCRIPT KIDDIE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, a group that will know what I'm talking about. ;)

  79. And the good news is... by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    The producers are in talks with John Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal for the lead role. (Gotcha!)

    But how can the filmmakers make the ninja deadly serious when we even have turtles made in their image?

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  80. Re:already done...plus there are better novels to by slothman32 · · Score: 1

    How long is "Lord of the Rings?"
    Like 10 hours?
    It's not exactly feature-length but it was a "normal" movie.

    Luckely it was divided into 3 parts, like the book[s].

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  81. Anime Sprawl Trilogy Series + Beeb Radioplay. by micronicos · · Score: 1

    I'd go for a 26 episode anime "Sprawl Trilogy" series made by someone like Gainax under the supervision of someone like Shirow Masamune ... my final fantasy.

    There is an excellent two part Radio adaption of Neuromancer made by the BBC in 2003, it's been updated to have email which jarred when I heard it, but is a faithful & well-written & produced radio adaptation.

    If you like audio books you'll love it "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." Oh yeah, best first line of a scifi novel EVER!

    http://boingboing.net/2005/03/17/neuromancer-radio-pl.html

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  82. Too old for high tech? by dindi · · Score: 1

    Because "I, Robot " published in 1950 did not turn out to be a pretty good science fiction movie - like it or not, special effects and designs rock in the film.

    On the other hand I also hope they do not make it suck. I own and sometimes watch Johnny Mnemonic, that had a good cast, but turned out to be .. hmmmm. not meeting my expectations.

  83. Äntligen! by jevring · · Score: 1

    I forsee failure. As much as I'd like this movie to get made, considering the fact that it's "gone forward" and then gotten dumped again several times makes me think that things will fall apart this time too. As long as it's better than Johnny Mnemonic, I'm happy =)

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  84. I have been waiting my whole life for this by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

    The movie will bear no resemblance to my mind's rendition of Neuromancer, and I will be profoundly disappointed. I will probably watch and rewatch this movie a few times, regardless.

  85. If "Splice" is an indication of the quality ... by wintermute1974 · · Score: 1

    If "Splice" is an indication of the type of movie treatment we can expect for Neuromancer, then we should all be very very afraid.

    Apparently, movie ratings are currently suffering from score inflation. I see lots of healthy B-grade scores hovering with an average of 7/10 for Splice.

    Based solely on this thread, I just watched Splice. It wasn't worth it. I am sure there are worse movies on earth, but this one has nothing redeeming to it. It's a 1/10 at best. The only thing that impressed me about it is that someone bothered to finish and release it to the public.

  86. Again? by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

    Didn't they already do a loose film adaptation of this? It was called the matrix or something

  87. extended version pls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lets hope william gibson gets to write the movie script ...
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    need the flashback to when the 3jane mom had the idea about them A.I.s on algerian beach?
    need attack on the russians with the ultra-lights and escape to finland?
    need congress hearing of corto and failed screaming fist?
    need the exploding wasp nest with the tessier-ashpool logo?
    need flashback to cannibal children in bonn?
    yes to all above! and more! :D

  88. needs to be a mini-series! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Novels do not make good movies - short stories make good movies, but a novel needs to be a mini-series or full series. Novels have character development that is critical to the impact of the storyline, and movies are too brief to support such character development.

    1. Re:needs to be a mini-series! by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      We've already seen how a W. Gibson short story works out as a movie. So they're obviously trying to switch it up. And I think it could be boiled down to a 2-2.5 hour movie similar to how LoTR was done. Mostly faithful to the books but changed for the different format. There is enough visual language in the book that I think it would be much easier to do than LoTR too.

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