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Treasure Hunter Wants To Find Bin Laden's Body With ROV
Kittenman writes "Slate is carrying some details of how eccentric treasure hunter Bill Warren is proposing looking for the body of Osama Bin Laden in the Arabian sea. He plans on using sonar, and a remotely operated submersible. If he finds the remains, he'll photograph them to confirm Bin Laden's death to the world. Warren says, 'There is still a $25 million reward that no one has collected, and the reward says dead or alive, well, if -- in fact -- he is dead, then I could collect the $25 million reward. Why not?'"
Good luck finding a target slightly smaller, that the fish have been chewing on.
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That is if they in fact threw him into the ocean, maybe they just said that and have him somewhere else.
Recover that body! Think about it... Weekend at Osama's!
'There is still a $25 million reward that no one has collected, and the reward says dead or alive, well, if -- in fact -- he is dead, then I could collect the $25 million reward. Why not?'
He's got a point there. But the sea is pretty big. Finding a single body there is much like catching one very specific fish. Not to mention that I'm sure there are lots of critters down there that love to eat dead bodies.
Like a cell deep in Guantanamo or the like?
I'm just saying what everybody else is thinking...
So the article begins by saying that the treasurehunter will not find the body because sonar doesn't reflect well off of a body... This is true, however if the US military is to be trusted, the lead weights inside the bag will be more than 'visible' on a sonar display. Further, the body was in a bag that is probably air-tight... so decomp will likely be pretty early.
Personally I think that it is still a futile attempt, in order to take pictures, Bill will have to essentially bring the body to the surface in order to do the tests he is planning.
They put him in the secret freezer next to Walt Disney and the real Mikhail Gorbachev.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
And you thought someone keeping $500,000 in bitcoins on their windows machine was an idiot...
IIRC, don't bodies buried at sea decay very quickly? At this point he may be able to find the shroud and weights, but the body itself must be past the point of recognizability by now, if there's anything left of it at all.
It's a big place with lots of hungry critters. Maybe they left you something.
I thought they removed the bounty on his head once the Seals got him? I am not 100% sure this guy is working with a full deck of cards...
'There is still a $25 million reward that no one has collected, and the reward says dead or alive, well, if -- in fact -- he is dead, then I could collect the $25 million reward. Why not?'
"Why not?" is that the reward is given at the discretion of the US government, and they're not going to give it to you.
"if - in fact - he is dead"... yes, yes, maybe we will find him alive and well at the bottom of the sea.
If this guy does find a body at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, maybe he can find Jimmy Hoffa's remains too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Gritz Back in the 80s, US special forces were going to rescue POWs that were still being held in Vietnam. They tried twice, and both times as soon as they were getting close to launching the raids, Bo Gritz popped up, did a little boasting and ego stroking, and got the missions cancelled. This guy is directly responsible for the deaths of those prisoners. Anyway, whenever I see Slate stroking his own ego, I can't help but think of Gritz. At least Slate isn't getting anyone killed though.
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If ever in my life I rooted for the Somali Pirates to take a ship, it'd be this guy's. I'm not saying that stupidity should be a capital offense, but if it becomes one via external influences, I'll LMAO.
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People are speculating at the body being eaten by creatures of the sea, but I don't recall hearing if he was buried at sea in a coffin or not. That would change the search parameters fairly significantly.
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bounty was not to be paid, since no single tip given. But that era of the bounty is over anyway, once U.S. government knew where he was and acted on it. That's as silly as if Osama had been put in gitmo and this treasure hunter walked up to the fence and said "he he is! where's my money??" What a moron.
http://www.nodeju.com/9119/osama-bounty-not-paid-out.html
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And now we have the deathers.
I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but there has to be a pathology in the DSM IV for this.
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I prefer his head futurama-style in a cabinet.
Or, wow, how about the US military takes his photos next to something that could only be recent, to prove that he was dead and when he died *before* dumping him in the ocean. DUH.
well, if -- in fact -- he is dead, then I could collect the $25 million reward. Why not?'
Well that's nice and all but if you look at the FBI site the reward is no longed there for him.
to anonymous people a hefty reward for information....or they will NEVER pay out as they managed to find him without the public's help... I see this more as a self serving promotion by someone about to go belly up and needing the publicity to score someones funding.
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The reclusive treasure hunter claims, "I have the key to one eyed Laden!"
They were able to find, recover and identify roughly 70 bodies 2 years after the plane went down. So, it would be possible if he found it fairly quickly. However, I think this guy is an idiot and nothing more than a publicity seeker. Of course the $25million reward no longer stands. The government found him and killed him. And they know where the body was dumped as well. Those coordinates are just highly classified. You can't find what isn't lost or missing.
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I am willing to bet that Osama Bin Laden is fish food by now. This treasure hunter is either supid or crazy, perhaps maybe both. With the amount of sea life the ocean sustains, bits of Osama Bin Laden have nourished many species of fish and perhaps some bottom dwellers.
I wouldn't have expected Clear Channel to go along with it.
He'll probably show up in a small boarding house in Minehead, Somerset.
"Planning a little excursion are we, Mr Nadel?"
...for scanning human life signs.
Well, that is, if you have 24th century technology :-).
Here is an interview with Bill Warren on The Roe & Roeper radio show on Chicago's WLS-AM station. http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=2213142&spid=37724 If you want to skip past the B.S., just listen to to the last four minutes where a professional salvage operator completely shows him up.
You won't get the money. The reward is for turning him in, and that was already done, this is just the disposal.
You can't go to some graveyard, dig up a guy who was wanted dead or alive and collect the reward if he had already been turned in once.
This will be a huge mess. Quite frankly, I understand why they killed him and buried him as sea. I don't know if I agree with it.
BUT, finding him will turn into a nightmare. Al quida will want to use the image as a martyr, People will wan to bury him else where and create a shrine, and who knows if this violated Muslim doctrine. Normally I could care less about that last issue, but the practicality of the matter is that this could be an excuse for more attacks.
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Fish can't get to the body. It'd be in a regulation US Navy body bag specifically made for burials at sea, and loaded down with lead weights. It'd definitely be hard to find though.
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Assuming that he's successful in locating the body and is successful in verifying that it's the right body and manages to get the US government to pay up anyways, the likelihood is that this would still be a losing venture as he could very easily blow through $25m searching. Ships for that sort of operation are not cheap, and neither are the rest of the resources needed. And if the body isn't located quickly, chances are that it will just blend in to the bottom as flora start to grow over it.
At this point, I'd put the odds at being indistinguishable from zero. Even with the knowledge of where the ship was, one has no idea how far a body would drift as it sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
A quick note for Mr. Warren: "air pressure" and "nitrogen narcosis" are actually a libral plot to keep Real Americans from finding Osama. All you really need is a snorkel and faith in Jeebus to dive to the bottom of the ocean...
Ain't no body to find, the whole thing in a charade to make Obama look good, just go through the whole thing, logically, scientifically!
And I imagine the reason GWB didn't show up for the little by-by Bin Ladin show at ground 0 was that he was pissed at Obama for taking credit for somthing that happened on his watch.
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Well, it only took them 75 years to find the Titanic.
No, the majority of the time was waiting for the technology to catch up so they could verify where it sank. They always knew the general location of where it was from the last coordinates sent from the Titanic as well as the rescue ships documenting where they picked up the passengers. The 75 year wait was waiting for correct technology to be developed so they could send something down 2 miles to say, "yep there it is".
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I searched the whole ocean, down to the square centimetre.
But? Nothing!
Do you think they cooked the whole story up?"
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Good luck finding a target slightly smaller, that the fish have been chewing on.
HA! The fish can't get to him on land. A recent taxi driver I talked with assures me that he is still alive and well and playing CoD to keep his skilz up-to-date. He just wasn't sure where.
...the reward says dead or alive, well, if -- in fact -- he is dead, then I could collect the $25 million reward. Why not?
So let me get this straight. This schmuck thinks that if he finds the body and returns it he should be entitled to collect on a reward for a person who was already found?
Okaaay there smart guy.
Should be given as college scholarships for the kids of Seal Team 6 as well as a nice cunk of tax free cash to each of the members. IT's the right thing to do.
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All he'll find is shark poop.
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The combination of playing a real-life Rambo and $25M reward tempted others like this Colorado man. The State Department rescued him after he was arrested.
Except.. you know... that's not what the U.S. Government does.
It's one thing when our reporters or paparazzi run and get a picture of a cooling corpse. The U.S. Government (usually) stays out of the buisness of putting heads on pikes so everyone can see the body. I get really creeped out every time someone suggests this. Ignoring the anger it would stoke, the loss of the moral high-ground we require to win the long war, we're talking about putting a dead dude on display so folks can exhault in the holes we put through it.
Dude's dead. He belongs in the dustbin of history, not center aisle at madison square garden.
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so search for large deposits of lead on the sea floor!
http://www.acetonestudio.com
The shroud will be filled with the body of...ELVIS!
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Oh, I thought it was body-laden bin instead of a bag.
I'm not a coward by any name.
it will just blend in to the bottom as flora start to grow over it
Flora? In the bottom of the ocean? I think not.
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He should be snorkeling with his hands cupped behind local sharks asses, or trying to put on little shark diapers.
Burial at sea is fine for Muslims. In this particular context the important bit is most likely this bit: " if an enemy may dig up the grave to mutilate the body, it is also allowed to bury the deceased at sea to avoid mutilation." (And if you don't trust Wikipedia on the matter, go to their source: Rules About Burial of the Dead Body.)
Given all the comments I've seen that he ought to have been buried in a box of pork chops, I think it's fair to say that this was a real concern.
There is a shift in military markets away from the U.S. right now. If this guy can deploy an interesting enough plan, or optimize the application of existing technologies, he can probably get underwriting from most any solvent nation on earth that controls coastal waters.
The corpse is a convenient PR piece to attract suitors.
Nah; the reason they've been so secretive and even refuse to release photos is that just as the Navy SEALs broke into his bedroom, he was taken away by a host of angels who were singing in Arabic. His body isn't in the ocean; it's in heaven, being taken care of by his 72 virgins.
(Hey, it's as credible as those other similar stories from other religions.)
(And I'm sorta glad that I don't have to worry about a Disney lawsuit for posting the above.)
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
I'll bet you a buck that halfway to the bottom of the sea, a submarine snared it and took it to Bethesda, MD for further analysis and then to secret storage. I will win that bet.
If Bill has any tip of where the body was dropped, this mission is certainly doable. All he needs is some sailor that got the GPS coordinates of the drop point and is willing to take a share of the reward (of course USA won't pay him, but Iran or some sheik could certainly pay so that they can prove that Osama was executed).
The GPS coordinates of the path of the ship might be enough too, if the reward is big enough to pay for months of search.
If all info he has is that he was dropped in the Arabian Sea, this will be a shot in the dark.
OK negative nancy.
"Assuming that he's successful in locating the body"... well then he's a happy bloke, ya? Not everything is about money.
Just gonna take a picture? Recover that body!
No, just record the GPS coordinates so we can establish a dump site for ship's sewage tanks.
Alright - what technology is needed to find a decomposing body in water? Note, that burials at sea do NOT involve sealed caskets. Normal clothing, or a uniform if appropriate. A shroud - basically a sheet sewed up into a sleeping bag. Some rocks in the bottom of the shroud, at the feet of the corpse. Dump overboard, and the body is water soaked immediately. In THEORY, the shrouded body goes directly to the bottom. Whether it does or not, a sheet won't last very long in salt water, with various animal life exploring it. Bacteria, at the small end, on up to sharks and whales on the big end.
Somehow, I really don't believe that anyone has a snowball's chance in hell of finding a body in deep water. And, the more time that passes, the smaller that snowball gets.
Oh yeah - as far as I know, Muslim funerals don't include any kind of embalming. I think they verified Osama's identity, and dumped his ass. No preservatives added. Au Natural!!
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"The $25 million, it's mine, there he is!" It is regrettable that SEAL Team 6 were frightened by the female crazed shoppers and the SEAL's had to defend themselves. What wasn't written the SIT-REP about the mission is that the women in the compound had jumped into one of the Helo's and were heading to the local Norstrom's. It's chilling to think of being in front of a running shopper with that much money to spend.
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They recovered the bodies, identification will be a slow process. Even the bodies found at the time of the disaster took two months to identify.
And identification won't be done by lifting the sheet and having a grieving relative say "yes that is him" unless the french police is very nasty indeed.
It will be done through DNA and records of things like healed bone fractures, dental work, surgery after effects etc.
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what I want to know is where his pr0n stash is.
you're naive buddy .. .. Obama has no intention of letting anyone finding even a single bone ..
he will certainly have been 'deposited' in such a way that the fish & scavengers will get easy access
No, not everything is about money, but few of us have millions of dollars sitting around for such a frivolous waste of time.
Not everything is about money.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that he is specifically doing this to get money. In this case, he believes he can get the dead or alive reward.
For me, the fact that Bin Laden hasn't released any new videos or other media since the raid is proof enough that he's dead for me.
I read the internet for the articles.
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. Good luck buddy! I say start your search in the south pacific.
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1. I have no doubt that modern lookaside sonar equipment can something the size of bin Laden's body in a body bag, if it's not stuck in a reef that looks like a pile of such things.
2. Ships are cheaper than you think, and all this one needs to do is cruise back and forth towing the sonar rig and recording to a flash drive.
3. Not sure anything can grow on a navy body bag. Not sure there's much growing in that body of water. It could be flat, sandy bottom for hundreds of miles.
4. How does he even have a clue where to start? That's the big question, as it means he's breached the security of the US Armed Forces Special Operations Group, and they will want to know how.
5. How does he collect a reward that's cancelled because the government caught the guy themselves? That's the small question, as it's just going to surprise him if he doesn't ask it before he shows up with a mangled corpse. (Yes, mangled. The body is in a bag from which most of the air is removed. The bag is sunk hundreds if not thousands of meters into the ocean. the soft tissue in the bag will be squeezed into pudding, and if there's any imbalance in the shape of the bag, it will all be squeezed into that corner, and if one of the bones breaches the bag, it will all be extruded through the hole.)
6. Why is imagining bin Laden in that state so much fun?
I am guessing after they did the whole song and dance of bathing and wrapping the body (in accordance with the Islamic tradition), they ran the body through the Woodchipper Fargo-style (in accordance with the Intelligence Commitee tradition) and chummed the ocean.
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He could fund his efforts with the recovery of cargo containers! It's gotta be easier to stumble over some of those than a body dumped at some mostly-unknown location.
They still took almost two years to find the remains of Air France Flight 447.
And the part about confirming that Osama Bin Laden is indeed dead is just ridiculous. It's quite certain that they did dump a body in the sea, the relevant question is whether that body was Osama's or not. And he's not going to answer that.
The bottom of the ocean is now well understood to be rather abundant with life, even at tremendous depths. Not all plants require sunlight. Maybe you should read the link you posted, eh?
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http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
it's still listed on the fbi top ten list.
it does specify for information leading to the arrest or apprehension of
He wouldn't need to give them the whole body to receive his $25 million. He can always sell off the rest of it in pieces, like the Cristians did with anything Jesus related. Except that I doubt Bin would be able to supply barrels full of finger bones and tons of pieces of the true cross (probably related to the Bread and Fish dinner). Those relics can bring in huge sums of cash, maybe enough to fund a Democrat re-election comittee.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Fish can't get to the body. It'd be in a regulation US Navy body bag specifically made for burials at sea, and loaded down with lead weights.
Well, not if this is accurate.
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Isn't this like a family putting up a reward for a lost dog, THEY find the dog, and then you go in their back yard and say "hey, here's your dog, I want the money"?
Seriously, these guys did a great job, a job they were thoroughly trained to do. They were chosen, they got the privilege of executing that mission. It's an insult to the rest of the military to say Seal Team 6 was uniquely capable of completing that task. Let's also mention that they still managed to crash a helicopter and not take him alive. I have no desire to diminish what these guys did, but just put it in perspective. What about the Pakistanis that let us know about him and now are under arrest for their help? I'll bet dollars to pesos that we just let them burn without another mention. They, more than our Seal Team, deserve our gratitude and our help.
The bounty really has not that much to do with it. Publicity, books, day time TV shows, etc, can be very profitable. If he does find the remains also many other wealthy 'explorers' might hire him to look for various other things at amazing markup. So even if he fails he still gets to sell to the skeptics his findings as well as more books than if he did find the remains.
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A tiger? In Africa?
If you think Tim Osmand aka Osama Bin Laden died in 2011 then I've got a great deal on some bridges in Los Angels you might want to look into before you spend the money on the treasure hunt.
He is doing it to try and expose the 'conspiracy' over why the US Government refuses to release the photos of Bin laden.
He's a nutjob.
That question is eminently amenable to expermient.
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The US government has proven over and over again that they are not to be trusted. Government in general is the most untrustworthy of institutions that has ever existed. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find out 50 years from now that the entire thing was fabricated.
Sure, if you ignore the fact that he is specifically doing this to get money. In this case, he believes he can get the dead or alive reward.
TFA specifically states that the reward is no longer being offered, and also that he is aware of this. He's doing it because he wants to.
Flora = plants = photosynthesis = requires light. Maybe you should read the link I posted. Cite otherwise, or shut up.
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I'm surprised no one is tinfoil-hatting the possibility that they hauled him off to a basement cell in gitmo for some round-the-clock torture revenge whilst telling the world he was dumped in the ocean? I mean really, why dump the body in the ocean? There's no logical explanation for it other than to cover for where he really is.
I'm sure they'd absolutely love to patch him up (from getting shot) and then spend several months drugging him up trying to squeeze information out of him. It would really surprise me if this isn't what they're doing. Naturally "the world" wouldn't approve of such treatment, so they'll just cover for it by claiming he's dead and dumped in a place that nobody can verify the body.
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