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Infertile Daughter To Receive Uterus From Mother
kkleiner writes "Led by Dr. Mats Brännström, a team of surgeons at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden are giving Sara Ottosson, now 25 years old, hope that she may one day fulfill her dream of giving birth to a baby. The uterus will come from a very special donor: Eva Ottosson, Sara's mother. Sara's operation will mark only the second time transplantation of a uterus has been attempted in humans, and the first time between a mother and daughter."
might as well get this question out of the way ... if she has a baby, technically, would it be her daughter/son or sister/brother?
Many children inherit their childhood home.
Hey mate, spare a sig?
If mom's past menopause she has no use for it anyway, and that's gotta help with the possibility of not needing to take anti-rejection meds too. Does make one wonder just how well a uterus possibly in its 50's will hold up to pregnancy though? Just because you transplant it into a younger person doesn't make the organ suddenly young again.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
i am my own grandma?
Talk about the gift that keeps on giving!
I feel bad for the girl who has problems with infertility, but is it really responsible to put your child at higher risk by having it grow in an essentially experimental situation, when you could just deal with your unfortunate problem, make the best of a bad situation, and possibly adopt?
TOO MUCH INFORMATION!
Is elective surgery paid for by the taxpayer? If so, what is not?
I'd take that bet. Easiest $10k I expect I'd ever make.
Fucking idiot.
Fucking adopt. Seriously. Instead of being a bunch of selfish fuckwads demanding to xerox as exact a copy of yourself as possible, how about you save all the money involved in this process and just adopt a kid or two? For the price most people spend in various attempts to squirt one of their own out (aside from this particular incident, of course), they could adopt someone and have their entire college fund taken care of from day one.
I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for people like this. Boo hoo, you can't replicate like a ferrel cat. Tough shit. All those kids without families have it a hell of a lot harder than that.
Right. Chiropractic adjustments will make her grow a uterus.
I take it you didn't bother to read the article?
Seen on a Japanese food processor: "Not to be used for the other use."
Well, if she also needs some sperm donors, I'll gladly deliver it directly to her uterus (after it's been transplanted, of course).
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Sometimes having a kid is *just not in the cards*. This might actually make me feel a little sicker than Octomom.
Heh Dr.Bob,DC is a known troller (Some even suspect it is a bot)
It posts in every slashdot story about how chiropractics will fix the situation, be it medical, electronic, nuclear, or even ask slashdots.
Check out it's posting history, it's pretty hilarious.
As in "please choose between fertility and infertility"?
How about choosing adoption?
the mother-in-law's uterus. I think my testicles just shrank into my belly.
Children are all about passing your genetic heritage down.
I have a few kids of my own, but I would have no interest in raising someone else's child. Its the equivalent of being cuckolded.
Maybe that makes some people feel good, I would rather just get a pet.
Its sad that some Chiros actually think this way. I had mine tell me about how with chiropractic care, we could fix my hiatus hernia, acid reflux and some other stuff
...if the daughter eventually donated it to her daughter in turn, and it became a family heirloom.
i suppose that gives new meaning to "hand-me-down" [/badumpssh]
What's wrong with this fscking Planet? People can't adopt for the greater good anymore?
I like how he tries squeeze "subluxations" into just about every post. I'm waiting for the spam advertising for the next wonder drug that helps "heal your subluxations."
So chiropractic adjustments can help her GROW A FREAKING UTERUS? She didn't develop one.
^ This comment is Insightful.
I guess the daughter already knew very well this uterus. ;)
Why "flamebait?" I got the same reaction. And I'd be surprised if the woman's husband/mate's penis doesn't implode at that thought.
On another note, why can't people just adopt in these situations?
recursion?
/. is getting most of it's submissions off Yahoo or Google news. That's just sad, considering they are normally a day late or so.
Choice person has to make choice ;)
A loop, by its nature, continues. If that didn't make sense, start reading this sentence again.
ADOPT! ADOPT! ADOPT!
How can you criticize a woman for doing something like this? She wants to have her own child by any means necessary that's her decision to make. There has been and always will be a different sense of nurturing from the womb onward. My mother is a mother of 4 but a mom to 14+(and this number grows.) She will show love and kindness to any child that comes into her life, but with her 4 boys there's something special. Im sure this is true of any caring mother. It takes a special kind of caring and compassionate person to be an adoptive parent. I applaud these people and I am thankful that they exist in the world, but as a man there will be nothing more special to me than to hold my baby that came from the connection i share with my partner. I know she will feel the same.
How about you focus your misdirected anger at the men and women of the world who choose to spread their legs without thinking of the consequences. Why should they go about their activities with the idea that "meh, someone will adopt this baby." I understand that not every woman has a choice. Some are forced into screwed up situations and they would rather adopt than abort, but these cases are outnumbered by the idiots who engage in senseless acts of procreation.
Heh Dr.Bob,DC is a known troller (Some even suspect it is a bot)
Bah, they only suspect that because they are paranoid because their humors are out of balance because their chi is misdirected because they have subluxations. A good vertebral adjustment and trepanation will make them realize Dr. Bob is a modern day medical messiah.
First you come out of it, then they put it into you, so someone else can come out of it.
Something Old, Something Used, Something Borrowed, Something..... ewwwwww
Wow, never seen two anonymous people wager $10,000 on the internet before.
How about choosing adoption?
Story was posted at 11:25 PM, yours at 12:17 AM. So it took Slashdot at most 45 minutes to think of adoption. This woman presumably has been thinking about it longer. She's consulted with doctors, who are generally not idiots. Her mother is obviously on board, so it's safe to assume that her family is involved in this decision. So there are multiple people who are talking to her about this.
You can't possibly believe adoption had neither occurred to her, nor had it been suggested to her at some point.
She -must-- have some reason why she didn't want to adopt. Maybe you and I wouldn't agree with the reasons, but she has them.
dont have kids trust me your not missing anything lol.
This is great for writing medical papers, but in truth it is simply irresponsible medicine. If she can't have a child, well, life's a bitch. If this works, she is going to be on massive medication, like any transplant patient. To conceive and carry a child under those circumstances is simply nuts. Even organizations that totally support transplant patients point out the massive risks involved.
If this woman is this desperate for a child, she needs psychological counseling more than she needs a new uterus.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
So, you're saying that because the idea ran through her head, she must have given it proper thought.
According to the article, suffering of infertility seems to be more unbearable than being unadopted. Some times, I think that orphans are societal rejects. We act as if there is no urgency to put them in families.
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Yup.
Plus the woman will be able to do a chinatown... "She is my daughter.... and my sister..."
(ok, actually not, as she does not have a genetic contribution its not her biological daughter...)
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
The ending bit of the video attached to the article - "if this fails, she plans to adopt". Can you blame her for trying before giving up?
You say "can't replicate like a feral cat", but that is not what is really happening. Those parents who abandon their children usually breed like feral cats (hence there is a great supply of such children), whereas in her case it is not mentioned anywhere that she wants a "houseful" of babies.
You also say that people should better spend their money in different ways. But if they earned it, don't they have the right to choose what to do with it? [as long as it is not something illegal - like buying guns and killing other people]
I may have acted differently, had I been in their shoes, but I can't say I have reasons to say they are stupid or irresponsible.
The saddest poem
For real.
I'm sure that uterus will become immortal, passing from mother to daughter for all eternity.
Somehow we have to allow people choice, and yet, the human imperative to breed means they go out and pass on their deformities to the next generation, making the problem worse.
Ultimately, an enlightened person will come to the conclusion that genetically engineering the human race (at least selecting the best available of the couple's sperm and ova) is the only way that all of humanity will not become degenerate slaves to modern medicine.
The real path to male liberation
I'm sorry, may I see your ticket for tonight's show? Oh, you don't have one, well, that will be $50 please.
cat
Maybe the mom is totally hot and it multiplies hubby's excitement.
cat
Not uterYOU.
Those who oppose and say she should adopt: have any of you adopted? Or is this another case of "do what I say, not what I do"?
Seriously, if you take the opinions of some to the extreme, that this is medically irresponsible, where do you draw the line? And who gave you the pen to draw with?
I say if you oppose this, you're already probably part of the "save the whales", "Jesus died for us all" or "Burn the Bra" types of organisations and thus your opinions are already void of meaning.
This is science. Accept and move on.
with this and that, we will accomplish to make infertility an inherent disease.
uterus transplants would be particularly useful in Saudi and other Muslim countries where using surrogate mothers is prohibited by Islamic law.
So it is forbidden to use someone else's womb to bear your child. Except when you take that womb and put it inside your own body.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Physical degenerates: yes, moral degenerates: no.
Remember a few days (weeks) where it was pointed out that people were using ultrasounds to select for gender and so for the first time ever more boys were being born than girls?
Besides we have already sen what the eugenics wars will bring us ... KHANNNNNNNNNNNN!
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So, you're saying that because the idea ran through her head, she must have given it proper thought.
Too bad she didn't just log into slashdot so she could get a more informed opinion.
Ah, the Internet! For all your important decisions!
Similar to the upcoming US election results
My Dad is Long John Holmes, and he's donating me his penis.
So, you're saying that the proper thought is the one that agrees with your line of thinking
Always, there has been more boy babies then girl babies.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
Dunno about there, but adopting babies almost impossible in US. There simply is not enough to fulfill the need.
I don't know your circumstances, but certainly in the area of the USA in which I live, adoption of babies is common and easy. I would estimate that approximately 5% of the children in the local school system were adopted as infants. It's become commonplace.
Actually it is the other way around, males are genetically more fragile and so more girls are born under normal circumstances than boys. This is also why male infant mortality from natural causes is higher.
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Orphans ARE societal rejects. You seem to put humanity on a pretty high pedestal. In reality we're still mostly animals driven by instincts. When woman gets an instinct to procreate, she isn't going to try to get someone else's child. She wants one that continues her genetic line.
That's what our second most power instinct is all about.
And orphans are simply a sign of a failed natural selection. Our society allows for those who can override their instincts with their intellect or simply cannot have children of their own no matter what and opt for next best thing to get one of their own. But most of them are still societal rejects for reasons of natural selection.
That reminds me of all the times that people admittedly did not read the article, and somehow managed to use the phrase, "It makes sense that...". :^D
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No, I'm implying that the article does not give enough information to conclusively say that she gave it enough thought. The context tends to imply that being able to experience childbirth is her greater priority, regardless of the ease/difficulty of adopting.
I have been absent minded lately, so if I have missed some details in the article, then please do share.
testing out my trending skills
Maybe you should go and correct the wikipedia article, then? ;) Seriously, you are confusing the fact that females live longer with the birth rate. More boys than girls are born (about 105:100), but women live longer --- as I recall, about 7 years.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
haha this is a funny ass perspective did not think of it like that thank you.
I wish your parents had chosen to adopt as well. Why is every freaking out because a human being wants to have her own baby? Ignorant people, these days
From the spacetime topological perspective, would this make her the first human Klein bottle?
Just because I posted anonymously does not mean I don't have $10,000 to wager. As a matter of fact, I do.
Not that I'd need it. You only need to have the money if there's a possibility of you losing.
I wonder if they will put it back into her mother
"The sisterhood of the traveling uterus"
You should look more at porn. Apparently the "mother with daughter"-fantasy is quite popular among some people.
A whole new meaning to mother ... bah you know the rest!
No, I'm implying that the article does not give enough information to conclusively say that she gave it enough thought. The context tends to imply that being able to experience childbirth is her greater priority, regardless of the ease/difficulty of adopting.
RTFA.
She says, "But we have also been thinking about adoption for a long time and if the transplant fails then we will try to adopt." What part of that is not enough information for you?
"Commonly assumed" isn't exactly a statement of fact, and the wikipedia article avoided citing any source by avoiding stating it as fact. As anyone knows from high school biology the male gene is less likely to develop and so in fact the common assumption is that more females will be born.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
Led by Dr. Mats Brännström, a team of surgeons at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden are giving Sara, now 25-years old, hope that she may one day fulfill her dream of giving birth to a baby.
Speaking with The Telegraph, she said, “It would mean the world to me for this to work and to have children. At the moment I am trying not to get my hopes up so that I am not disappointed. But we have also been thinking about adoption for a long time and if the transplant fails then we will try to adopt.”
The facts (not implications) are that she has given it a lot of thought and being able to experience childbirth is her greater priority. Obviously, she's thought about it at least since she was married and assuredly longer because she's known about her condition since she was a teenager. This is her chance, however marginal, to bring to realization her most hopeful dream.
How much more thought do you feel she needs to put into it to be enough? What you're implying is that until she comes to the same conclusion you have, her decision is wrong . What you're implying is that you're more qualified to make a decision concerning her life than she ever will be. She's made her decision between adoption and surgery. It's a decision that she -- and only she-- is qualified to make. Get over yourself because, like it or not, you don’t matter.
That part is not enough information. She just says that she has been thinking about it for a long time.
At the end of the video, the mother is quoted as saying "to save our daughters from the pain and stress of infertility and give them the beautiful gift of pregnancy and motherhood".
Honestly, what have they been thinking about regarding adoption? For them, was it a question of adopting or not adopting, only if the transplant fails? Did they think in terms of having a child no matter what, and then choosing the operation first? How long is a long time? 1 month? 2 months?
Everything implies that giving birth is the first priority, and that she may not have given it the same thought.
testing out my trending skills
It is not obvious. Obviously, she is not married, and she has a boyfriend.
How long is a long time? 1 month? 2 months?
Every voice matters. If I speak out for the orphans, then who are you to criticize?
In the entire article, there is no discussion of the orphan's needs for a home and adopting parents.
I'm not saying that she absolutely needs to adopt. My former cousin [it's a long story] was adopted, and it caused a lot of problems. Giving birth to children must be a wonderful experience.
You're just arguing against straw men, and not really thinking about it fully. You thought that she had a husband.
I'm just saying that the article does not conclusively say that she has put enough thought into it. Rather, it just assumes.
testing out my trending skills
I have been looking for specific data, I see from world census data that male infant mortality is ~20% higher than female, but I have not yet found a reliable source either way on actual birth rates before the advent of legalized abortion for the US. I know my old biology books (OK, clay tablets in Cuneiform) say that female birth rates are higher than males precisely for the reason I mentioned, genetic fragility, but it is not like they cited the sources well anyway. As for Wikipedia, heh I prefer secondary sources and historical fact.
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Her mother produced offspring which can't reproduce, so the daughter decided to try again with the same equipment...
We are going to become a much weaker species.
I'm sorry, but I just had to point out how silly your suggestion was in light of these facts.
We, Norway and Denmark, don't offer our children to outsiders... Why would we? We're wealthy and stable nations.
Norway is even richer than Sweden, and we pay mothers a monthly stipend for each child until it reaches 18 years of age. Not to mention the lump sump of money given at birth ($9000) to help you get started. Oh, if you're a working mother the state offers paid maternity leave for 12-16 months, fathers are also offered paid paternal leave.
In a country where religion is irrelevant, college education is free, teenage pregnancy uncommon, welfare covers cradle-to-grave. Why would we have any children to offer foreigners? This is the same for Denmark as well. The UN however ranks Norway the best country to live in, in general, and specifically for mothers...
Not tablet, but tabloid news. Get it her on /. ????
You do realize transplants of this nature are less of a risk? They're essentially native already...
I believe the doctors know far more about this than you and how it will affect any pregnancy afterwards.
Oh, and she's not "desperate" for a child, it's not unexpected coming from someone with your unkind attitude, she could have bought the services of a surrogate(!).
gross!
Oh for crying out loud. Ok, here is a link to Denmarks statistics.. It will have darn near every birth in Denmark. It shows around 32K boys and 30K girls for the most recent year... or about 105:100. (Look at "tabel 3" (table 3), "1 dreng"="1 boy", "1 pige"="1 girl"... the remaining numbers of for twins and triplets and such).
Are you convinced yet? ;)
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Ok, here is a link to Denmarks statistics.. It will have darn near every birth in Denmark. It shows around 32K boys and 30K girls for the most recent year... or about 105:100. (Look at "tabel 3" (table 3), "1 dreng"="1 boy", "1 pige"="1 girl"... the remaining numbers of for twins and triplets and such).
As for abortion, I it was legalized in 1973. For 1970, the numbers would be 36.0K boys, 34.0K females giving the ratio 106:100.
Are you convinced yet? ;)
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
I propose a modification for MacBeth:
"I am not a man of a mother born! I was from my grandmother's womb untimely ripped!"
C//
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No, one year does not give anything other than anecdotal evidence. Don't worry I will keep digging through census data as I have time.
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Thanks for the link though, I will take a look at it.
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I know this desperate thing to do. There other ways to continuing a family. By having a uterus transplant from your mom make you the mom of your sister/brother? Or is her eggs intact?
I think now would be a good time to begin archiving our important scientific and mathematic discoveries for the future sentient beings that may eventually take our place. Primates, I'm looking at you...
I am developing a language that any intelligent creature grasping basic mathematics should be able to decipher. Previous attempts seem sophomoric to me, and assume too much (low res. raster of a man, child and woman? Don't make me laugh).
In the stone and crystalline tablets we should denounce the perception of the knowledge as coming from a race of Gods, and to this end include the story of our great achievements in gene pool pollution.
Do you have a genetic defect? Welcome to the gene pool! We'll be happy to go through any lengths to ensure you can spread your corrupted genetic sequence on to other lifeforms -- Even if it means growing your offspring in another being, or transplanting wombs!
Natural Selection be damned; We'll do whatever it takes to not discriminate against your deformities in the bedroom.
Of course I would tone down the irony and describe the principals in simple genetic and mathematical terms for our successors. However, I assume my fellow Slashdoters -- being of the same culture and language -- can easily grasp the principals I have sarcastically alluded to above.
This bitch just has to make her contribution to the already lethal human overpopulation problem. At any price too - even stealing the reproductive apparatus from her mother to accomplish this toxic feat. If any baby is born, I do hope it also has her shitty genetics.
Apparently the "mother with daughter"-fantasy is quite popular among some people.
UNMARRIED people.
She isn't your mother-IN-LAW until you marry her daughter.
It's not likely the "giving birth" part that they're after. So many doctors opt for cesarean delivery at the drop of the pen that the "experience" of childbirth (if there ever was such a thing) is largely unattainable by many women.
I think the more likely reason is simple: when adopting, people tend to prefer to adopt BABIES. The earlier you get a child into your life the stronger the mutual attachment. While adopting a child might be easy, adopting a BABY is sometimes rather difficult.
Combine that with a simple fact that an adopted child is not your genetic offspring. The entire evolutionary drive towards reproduction is to propagate your DNA. It should come at no surprise that there is a preference for a child of your own rather than someone else's. That's a cold hard fact that many don't like to admit, but it's a simple truth.
I'm not in any way saying that this should be a taxpayer (or insurance) funded operation. It is completely elective IMHO, but I also CAN see why she'd want to have it done, and if she can afford it, then more power to her.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
Fair enough. I never claim to be open minded, because I never want to let myself off the hook.
That being said, I am quite confident that I did not break any of those 4 rules. I focused on the article and the video. If you can see otherwise, then let me know. I don't like to cheat. Be sure to cite sources, though.
In summary of my point: I can't claim that she did or did not think through adoption properly, but I do not think that it is fair to give her the benefit of the doubt, when we have the natural tendencies to not adopt. You know how hard it is to convince people to act altruistically. Many ideas labelled as altruistic can be bad for the greater good, and even when it is good, it costs us so much to do it. That being said, how we honestly assume that she thought through the issue properly?
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Assuming this experiment works, who's dna will the resulting eggs have? Will the embryo be her little sister? (My apologies in advance if this is really a stupid question, human reproduction really isn't my subject)
What I meant to say was: "Will the embryo be her little sister/brother?"
yet I've never mentioned where I live or practice
I'm aware. Far from making you seem more legit, however, it actually makes you seem even more like a troll, since nobody can verify that you're a real chiropractor practicing anywhere (and I won't call you a doctor, since you don't have a medical degree).
But do tell - you owe me $10,000 and I'd like to know where I can go to collect it.
Fucking idiot.
Never mind the rampant illiteracy [...] Hell, one deaf school fired it's superintendent for not being deaf from birth.
Illiteracy such as not understanding the appropriate use of possessive and contractions?
Please help metamoderate.
reproductive selection is not the only selection at play these days.
a "reject" could still contribute and further mankind, if given the chance, thanks to our amazing brains and ability to communicate.
interestingly enough, in the case of my son, the ultrasound said "girl". don't know how they missed THAT, but it was a hell of a surprise.
the idea of having an abortion to favour one gender is a bit horrible IMHO. considering how far along they need to be for a scan to be able to reliably determine sex. my wife was born at just under 23 weeks, so we're a bit iffy about aborting at 20+ weeks (where the ultrasound happens). disclosure: i'm an atheist, and pro-choice.
Why should a baby that is a result of your DNA more special than someone else's child?
For the same reason my life is more important than yours. Because its mine.
Correct, which is why we have a concept of social security - something that no other species on the planet practices.
That doesn't change the fact that many, if not most of our actions are still guided by our instincts.
tsmaeq
'nuff said
That's in the US alone! And this is part of why I am staunchly pro-choice.
The counter argument, of course, is that other, more beneficial genetic information may be contained in otherwise non-optimal DNA sequences. Color blindness is genetic, and even dangerous for primitive Man who might eat a poison red berry mistakenly, but it's not fatal necessarily. If a color blind Neanderthal discovered fire and cooked his food and had a healthier family because of it, his intelligence/ingenuity was more valuable than the color blindness defect. A partial understanding of genetics leads people to believe that what THEY see as a hopelessly flawed DNA sequence (as expressed in an organism w/ one or more defects) has no value to the gene pool in general. Maybe such a defect is the precursor to a slightly tweaked evolution that boost immunity, metabolism, or any number of future things. Maybe it's just a pressure that helps other, unrelated mutations in later generations. The possibilities for any one mutation to be GOOD or BAD are too many to count, and too difficult to predict besides.
Without any judgment of the woman in TFA, perhaps she's got really great genes otherwise whose benefit more than makes up for a reproductive disorder. And, on top of that, perhaps the human evolutionary track is directed by more than just DNA now, and includes memes, culture, and macro scale things based on people and not DNA exclusively. Without being able to see the entire human race with resolution down the the individual A's, T's, C's and G's, you're wildly speculating at best, and being judgmental and self important at the worse.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer." -Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Fuck your bullshit eugenics. We are, at most, four or five generations away from being able to write human DNA directly, and when that happens we can do what we want right away rather than waiting for millions of years. Evolution is obsolete.
I wonder what you'll say when the "Mother donates vagina to daughter" article comes along.