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PS3 "Strong Contender" To Overtake Xbox 360
donniebaseball23 writes "Xbox 360 has been having an incredible year so far in 2011, but on a global scale Sony's PS3 is still gaining ground. In fact, this year PS3 has outpaced Xbox 360 by 10% worldwide, analysts have pointed out. While the Wii has clearly won the race for this console generation, the battle for second place is neck and neck, and PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360. 'As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position,' commented M2 Research analyst Billy Pidgeon."
I have an X-Box and a WII - Will never ever buy from Sony again.
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Because an 8 bit console is so comparable to the Xbox360 or the PS3. Can I get some of what you are smoking (or maybe not, seems to have scary effects)?
It's the most updateable Blu-Ray player. I don't actually know anyone who uses it for games (although this is obviously a statistically insignificant sample size).
It's pretty late in the game for this generation of consoles. This seems like a 'who finished first' situation. Who cares? I'd rather the console makers concentrate on product support while working on making things better for the next generation of hardware.
That's a joke right ?
I like the fuzebox project. But that's a 8-bit console. That is never gonna sel massively.
But I guess you were talking about community driven hardware and gaming system. I am still not sure these guys will leave well as well. Why haven't we seen a linux ARM-based or x86 based open gaming system appear ? That's basically, buy a computer and 2 USB gamepad and plug them on your TV. the software is mainly written in the GeeXbox. Still no one knows about it ?
Why ? because super mario galaxy is only released on the wii and god of war 13 only on PS3. The games drive the sales of hardware and game developpers aim at known and reliable hardware manufacturer such as nintendo, sony and microsoft. Now if Dell (or HP, or whatever big guy that can produce a million units) was to produce a home gaming system based on known OS, that would be a different story.
Sony had to be hacked (Yes again) and their sales numbers changed. Hey at least it made Slashdot.
We're SIX years into the 360, and FIVE for the PS3. Do we really need to constantly be analyzing which is selling more every quarter as though there's going to be a loser?
Both companies have proven very successful, and have buyers of overlapping interest. Why should anyone care which one sold more in random month half a decade into the production cycle? Really, why does it matter?
Both companies have survived this cycle. That's obvious. They'll both be throwing their hats into the next generation, which is a clear indicator that there are no losers between them. The only point I see is getting the fanboys all riled up.
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Yeah... it's called a PC ;)
Now it's been hacked... people have to buy 2 - one for psn one for games.
That's a joke right ?
I like the fuzebox project. But that's a 8-bit console. That is never gonna sel massively.
But I guess you were talking about community driven hardware and gaming system. I am still not sure these guys will leave well as well. Why haven't we seen a linux ARM-based or x86 based open gaming system appear ? That's basically, buy a computer and 2 USB gamepad and plug them on your TV. the software is mainly written in the GeeXbox. Still no one knows about it ?
Perhaps he doesn't understand what a niche market is. As for a Linux based gaming system, there are things like The Evo 2 from Envision: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Envizions-Evo-2/?kc=rss
I'm not going to say it's a realistic alternative to the current generation consoles, because it's most likely going to appeal to a similar niche market as the Uzebox (Note, the Fuzebox is a specific implementation of the Uzebox.)
*shrugs* I may not like it, but that's just how things are currently.
In terms of hours played of games, or money made on games, or games sold separate from the console the Wii isn't winning. At all.
A game console is the base of a broader platform. For sony that included other media, but selling consoles is done so you can sell *software*, and, if you're into that sort of thing, software people actually want to play. The Wii has had a handful of good titles. The PS3 and 360 have had a handful of good titles every year they've been out.
In terms of which console is the better to have. At this point the PS3 seems to be getting better exclusives (god of war, uncharted infamous etc.) but I'm sure Halo 4 will have something to say about that soon enough.
I can't tell if you are joking, trolling, serious, or some mix thereof... The console you link too doesn't even support hdmi, it is clearly geared toward old console game emulation. I think Sony and MS and both laughing all the way to the bank. Now consumers will have BOTH consoles, accessories and games for both. This is partially because there has been a big stall in releasing the next generation console from both camps, I believe. Consumers want the next best thing, and it isn't exactly there yet. It makes sense that PS3's market share has been growing even though they are despised among the slashdot crowd. Most people I speak too in the market for a console are aware of the fact that they are very similar in power and capabilities. The PS3 works out to be a little cheaper though if you game online (that's many), and it doesn't have the same bad QC reputation as the "3-fix-me" (even Nintendo has noticed and started catering to more 'hardcore gamers' than they had been for the last decade, because of Sony and Microsofts shortcomings).
Didn't read TFA, but the Wii won the race?
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The PS3 is still $299 - the launch price of the PS2.
The PS2 went on to sell 110+ million consoles when it had its price drop from $299 to $199.
The PS3 is going to end up first in worldwide sales this gen.
Sounds to me like someone at Sony is trying to make us forget how they screwed all their customers, with their lies about hackers getting customer data records. How could they possibly be gaining ground, unless maybe they are counting all the people they gave free months to that won't renew when it comes time to hand over their credit card number.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.
still buying Sony shit? Especially on Slashdot?
Haven't they learned anything about how Sony treats its customers?
"PS3 has a good shot of overtaking Xbox 360"
Wouldn't you say "The PS3 has a good shot of overtaking the Xbox 360?"
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That's one incredibly expensive blu-ray player.
Given the other things it can do as well (Netflix, random games, etc) combined with, as stated, the ease of updating - it's actually a pretty easy purchase to make compared to any standalone disc player.
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After owning all 3 at some point during this generation I've decided its my last console generation....I never thought I could be lured back to PC gaming after a long absence but the wii is just too casual, paying to play online with live is ridiculous considering how little I play multiplayer and Sony's issues up through their dismissal of their network security have made me think that I can really just do without consoles.
I agree. This is an article about how will come in second in what is probably the last major game console generation.
Sony used Playstation to promote blu-ray. MS was just in there because they felt they needed to defend that front. Nintendo won their survival by coming in first.
I mean if they really wanted to win they'd come out with the next generation console after five years. The battle is over. The peace is that no one cares. You can hook your PC up to your HDTV and you can buy a computer for less than the price of these consoles. So everyone is going to have that setup in ten years. Also in few years mobile phones will be the undisputed dominant game platform.
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"As for second place, as far as the hardcore market is concerned, I'd say PS3 is a strong contender for that position"
As far as the hardcore market is concerned (at least the hardcore console market anyways) the PS3 is a strong contender for _first_ place, along with the 360.
If you're going to restrict things down to the hardcore market the Wii hasn't clearly won anything. I own a Wii, i'm quite happy with it, but i'm not going to pretend it's leading the hardcore charge. The Wii has some great hardcore games you can't get anywhere else, but it certainly doesn't have all or even most of the hardcore games. (And apparently given the recent debacle over Xenoblade, The Last Story and Pandora's Tower, the Wii has some great hardcore games that you can't even get on the Wii itself.)
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The PS3 has been able to match the 360 closely even considering purchases spurred by the "Read Ring of Death", as well as those wanting to buy a Slim just to get away from all of that. Also the Kinect launch which was heavily marketed and designed to expand the 360's demographic significantly.
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"the battle for second place is neck and neck" Hey, if you're not first, you're last -- Ricky Bobby
The PS3 is going to an eleven year life at least. The PS2 is at eleven years right now and still selling well and somewhere in the 155+ million range in worldwide sales.
When the PS2 dropped to $199 from $299 its sales reached into the 20-25 million a year range. The PS3 is just about to hit the same sweet spot where the PS2 exploded in sales.
Sony has a massive 21 first party studio lineup that is cranking out a flood of PS3 exclusives that dwarf the combined exclusive output of Nintendo and Microsoft combined. There are still major first party franchises that have yet to be released on the PS3.
The PS3 is easily going to end up in the 120, 130 million worldwide installed base range by the end of the PS3's life.
I mostly use the PS3 Slim because the Xbox cooling fan is too damned loud. The PS3 has always run whisper quiet. Both are clean and free of dust.
Unit sales matter when things are starting out. Don't sell enough units, and you can find yourself out of the running since then nobody wants to make any games for you (and if you don't have games, nobody buys it, and so on). However at this point, everyone has sold plenty. Unit sales aren't a big thing. Right now attach rate is what matters, meaning how many games per unit you sell. That's where the big money is in consoles, the licensing on games. So it doesn't matter if you sell slightly more units than your competitor, it matters if you sell (on average) more games per unit.
I have had a ps3 for a year and I'd rather have an Xbox 360. I'd rather play the xbox 360 exclusives in their arcade over the ps3 exclusive games.
Why in the world does it matter if one console is selling better than another? Does owning the more-sold console contribute the value and effect of the console on gaming? Does it inherently attract more developers?
Or is it one of those pseudo-team-contests where those who own Playstations feel superior to those who own Xboxes simply because Playstation is "winning" an unofficial competition in sales?
"I like oranges. You like bananas. More oranges were sold last year than bananas... so ya. That means my fruit preferences beats your fruit preference. Take that."
It's obvious from your post that you have a grudge against XBox/Microsoft. That aside I personally have never had any issues with either the original Xbox or the 360. In fact I still have the same one I bought (never had a rrod, noise or disc scratching). I play quite a bit of games and numerous hours a month playing said games. One thing that makes a difference is if you take care of your equipment and/or discs. I will say that yes the 360 did/does have some issues in term of quality control but not all can be contributed to just the quality of the hardware. People don't take care of the gear they own much less the discs, etc. So get over your bias for the Xbox 360/Microsoft and look at the bigger picture. People by the games on the 360 because of the online element which when compared to the PS3 is years beyond what Sony produces. I have all three current gen consoles but I prefer the 360 because of the games and easy of use with the online elements. I know of very few people that have the money to buy multiple 360's instead of just having it repaired free of charge by Microsoft. If people are that stupid then why shouldn't count towards the number of consoles sold. I'm sure you don't have any issue with the PS3 being bought more the once for more HD space or slimmer design, or even including packages deals with the PS Move, etc. Lastly the sales of the consoles are only one small part of the venue stream that each company gets. The PS3/Sony lost considerable amount of money on each and every PS3 up until the past year or so. So technically Nintendo and Microsoft are quite a bit ahead in terms of overall profit regardless of how many each has sold simply but considering how much it costs each company to make the console compared to how much they sell it for. So please get a clue and stop being so one sided and biased against the Xbox 360/Microsoft and look at the bigger picture.
Try going backwards. An SNES or PSX will be a much better use of your time and money than a next gen console. Todays games aren't any more fun than the older ones, and the older ones have been around long enough so that it's known which ones are good. They're usually cheaper too, with a few exceptions.
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This is like saying you won't read one of the best books of the year because you hate the weird serif they use on the letter "f". We'd all be much better off if game designers focused more on fun and playability than on graphics. That's why many people still go back to the classics---graphics don't matter to most of us, fun does. I get that movies like Transformer 3 make a crapton of money on the strength of fancy special effects, but such movies, from writing to acting to editing to anything outside of effects, are utter crap. So enjoy paying for graphics, I'll pay for fun.
The Wii U will have graphical power similar to the PS3 and a 25 gigabyte disc format.
Welcome to this gen with the Wii U.
Convenience.
Look up that word. While you might have the time and skill to put together a Fuzebox, 99.999 of the rest of the REAL WORLD doesn't. Hate to break it to you, but the rest of the world doesn't see consoles in the way you do. They have other pressing matters to attend to.
Not everyone in the world is an electronics assembler, much less a coder. That part of the world is such a small minority, it doesn't even rate. You might want to look out a window once in a while, and learn there's a different world that doesn't involve a computer screen.
This is written by a market research analyst. He just wants you to buy more Sony stock so that his shares in Sony are worth more.
open source consoles like Fuzebox [ladyada.net] will get a major market share
Now this is why I come to slashdot, the comedy!
You can code your games on them
This is worth mentioning.
I don't think you understand [Citation Needed].
-1 overrated isn't the same thing as "I disagree".
a machine with custom graphics chipset and custom sound like the Atari 800 / C64 / Amiga. Something open that could be programmed, that ran a fast light OS, and not with the GPU added as an after thought. Something with no spinning disks, just solid state.
Something that could make computing fun again like it used to be 20-30 years ago.
I know way more people with PS3s than XB360s. This was not true 5 years ago, but it is now and has been for years.
Because of hardware failures, most XB360 owners I know have purchased the game console more than once (THREE times in one case).
What's more interesting to me is how both platforms have become dynamic platforms with new OS features, instead of remaining static like the old PS2 and XBOX.
Next thing you know, one of the console makers will 1up the other and start supporting Linux and homebrew. Oh wait....
Used to play FPS on PC. Console is just less of a pain in the ass to keep up to date once you pass puberty. Agree that XBOX is superior to PS3 for FPS as the controller design and response is significantly better. Would still prefer a PC if I didn't have to shell out my own hard earned cash only to find I have to wind down the graphics till the game looks crap 6 months later. The benefit of consoles is that if the game is published for the console, it will run.
Dude I have yet to meet one person that did not get a free replacement for RROD. Maybe the stupid and lazy that did not go onto Xbox.com and run their serial number through the website to get a free refurb exchange.
Honestly, if you had RROD and just bought a new one, you were really stupid. Microsoft bent over backwards to fix even out of warranty units for free to try like hell in squashing the PR nightmare of the bad hardware design.
It's the ONLY time Microsoft has actually given good customer service in their lifetime.
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[citation needed] refers to the need to provide a link to something verifiable.
Restating that the PS3 will have an 11 year product cycle is not a citation.
The PS2 was very successful, but the PS3 is not the PS2. Today's gamers want online play, and with the recent PSN problems I think you're insane to expect that it will maintain the momentum from the last generation.
But then, I suspect you're trying to convince yourself that a $700 blue ray player was a great investment.
Owned by too many 13 year olds in MW2 eh? Wow you are a poor sport.
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A SNES or PSX is just fucking frustrating today. Emulating SNES is pretty damned enjoyable, though.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
$60? it's been upped to $70 a year mister...
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PS3 may be catching up to XBox but millions of users spend tons of money every year not only buying video games but are also paying for XBox Live! and for credits on there. Basically, Microsoft worked out an online portal for video game addicts/saps who have demonstrated they are willing to pay every month to play. I wonder how that affects profitability?
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I have a question for gamers who have tried both PS3 and Kinect, or PS3 and Wii.
The PS3 is trying to be all things to all gamers. "It only does everything." How does the PlayStation Move compare with Kinect or the Wii?
Is the Kinect actually better for sports games and such or is the experience about the same, and whichever game is better written is more fun?
Is the Wii controller better/more accurate, or about the same? Are the Wii games better?
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I played Donkey Kong in the arcades as a kid. That was just about enough Mario for one gaming lifetime. There are many great old games, I just don't find the Mario titles included in that group.
"So enjoy paying for graphics, I'll pay for fun."
Some reason I can't have both?
But how well does a PS3 compete with a home theater PC? Unlike PC, PS3 since 3.21 has no official open development, nor does it even have anything like Xbox Live Indie Games.
If your new handset costs $200 and is going to be everywhere you are, are you going to spend another $300 on a console that stays in the living room?
Yes, because a console provides for players 2, 3, and 4.
This.
NES and SNES stuff works just fine on my PSP. PSX stuff is more of a pain to make work, though. And I've still got my PSX hardware (and a bunch of games for it) but I don't ever find it necessary to plug it in. (Some of this is probably related to the fact that most of the PSX games that I've enjoyed have much improved PS3 versions which are just as much fun to play, and far prettier.)
And I hate PC-based emulators. They've never felt right. It is inexplicable.
I've had way more fun playing Devil's Crush (an old and horribly addictive pinball game from the Turbografx 16) on my Wii than I ever did playing it on a PC.
Kid-proof tablet..
How so? TVs still have composite inputs, and there's a used game store in every small city I've been to. The hardware is pretty robust too. PSX lasers can fail, but it's cheap an easy to just pick up another unit.
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You make me laugh. Which one are you? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/2/12/
Well, I, and many of the people that I know, consider the two Super Mario Galaxy games to be two of the best games of this cycle. And I appreciate the fact that when I bought my Wii, it was a hundred or two cheaper than the 360 and three or four hundred cheaper than the PS3. I appreciate the fact that the games start out $10 cheaper. (For what it's worth, the Wii's crappy Internet connectivity and onboard storage means they gouge us less with expensive downloadable content. Each Call of Duty game, for online players, doesn't cost $60, it costs $105.)
Perhaps more importantly, almost no one I know who loves playing on their Wii console regrets buying it because it has lesser graphics. Consider that most people bought one knowing that going in---it isn't like Nintendo is hiding the fact that its hardware is inferior. Maybe it is true that you can't have graphics and fun, if graphics makes things too realistic as to ruin the gaming experience or if the focus on graphics means developers don't focus on fun (for which I revert back to my Transformers 3 comparison). Again, people can complain about graphics all they want, but if that is the *sole* reason they avoid one video game over another, then I question their taste.
Your nostalgia glasses fail you. It was $500 for the 20gb model without an HDMI port, with $600 for the 60gb with. And once you add in tax, a game (c'mon, who buys a $600 blu-ray player and doesn't buy at least a couple games... The PS3 does have games, just not a lot of good exclusive ones) and an HDMI cable, you were looking at a $700 to $800 investment in that PS3.
Because when I was a kid with nothing to do and no schedule to do it on I could play games with no save or with miles-apart save points, but today I need something I can save state on because there's no save function, and sometimes not even a pause function.
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Japan sales figures Wii – 11,534,590 as of 1 April 2011 PlayStation 3 – 6,341,950 as of 1 April 2011 Xbox 360 – 1,448,665 as of 1 April 2011
There has not been a need to take such a drastic reduction in quality to play games at max settings in years now. Necessary hardware has more or less hit a peak since 95% of the big names in games have to target consoles as well. The only perks PC games tend to get these days are sometimes we get higher resolution textures. But that's about it.
So, the PS3 has won and has a 10% lead it says. so, why is it only a strong contender? I don't get it at all...
The real platform for cutting edge games is Facebook - it's ubiquitous, the games are designed to be viral and addictive (and in some cases, actually fun, though that doesn't seem to be a requirement), they mostly run on PCs but increasingly also work on mobile phones, and either they're freemium or cheap.
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No, I'm not the target market, but it seems to be pervasive and growing, assuming that either Google+ doesn't kill Facebook and/or the games migrate to Google+.
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If people are still wondering why no company gives half a shit about protecting their customer's data, here's a very good explanation. Not even 100 days since Sony dropped the ball on securing their customer data in the PS3 network, repeatedly too, and the PS3 is apparently selling better than ever. It actually seems like people took that security blunder as some kind of advertisement.
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But ... but PC gaming's dead! Or so I've been told the past decade or so.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
While they compete and try to destroy each other, open source consoles like Fuzebox will get a major market share.
BWAHAHAHA. 99% of gamers neither know Linux exists or if they do, don't care. They aren't interested in being able to code their own games on an 8bit console nobody uses or play old 1990s games on an emulator.
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Depends on what the spec of your PC is. I am running a 9600GT graphics card. To upgrade it to something that will run todays titles at decent quality and speed, I would have to spend more than the cost of a new Xbox 360 Slim as I need not only the graphics card but a new PSU and a couple of GB of RAM wouldn't go amiss either. And then when I've upgraded it all, I have driver and patch hell on the PC version of pretty much most games. Even my beloved BF2 is once again unplayable as I upgraded the video drivers to fix a bug in one game which meant BF2 reverted back to "Start game, crash to desktop" again - a battle that I've had on and off for the last few years with that game. FUCK THAT SHIT. I want to play it, not be forever fixing it.
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There are plenty other faults beyond the RROD that aren't covered by the extendeed warranty. I have seen 3 with the "Insert this disc into an xbox 360 console" fault that weren't covered. I think there is a lot of bad feeling toward Microsoft over the build quality of the 360 that is hidden for now due to the investment most people have in their game library. The next gen will probably show this up.
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I don't get it. There are people posting that one is more secure than the other, or that Sony lied (which they didn't - they were very transparent and kept us in the loop, although they may not have given ALL technical details, but that's a smart move when dealing with the idiotic general public).
The truth is neither have a good track record with regards to security, both have good points and bad, and both are doing fine.
I may feel the PS3 is better because of what I can do with it (the features far outweigh those of the 360, but that's MY OPINION BECAUSE OF THE WAY I USE CONSOLES) but I'm not about to blast Xbox for the weaknesses I feel it has; I loved my first-gen Xbox once I threw in the mod-chip.
I guess I just have to agree with some of the other, smarter posters that No One Who Matters Gives a Flying F#ck which console will "win"... If you survive 3 years these days and are still selling games, you won. The rest is media bullshit and fan boy ego circle-jerking.
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I have a few games on PS3 that run in 1080p. I'm not taking the game's word for it; my TV shows the mode when it switches to it.
Most are 720p though, mind you. I suspect it has to do with getting affordable hardware to run the crazy-huge new games smoothly, regardless of resolution.
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PS3 makes for a crappy media computer. It can't play as many audio/video formats
But it does play a lot more console-style games* than a computer.
I have a decent setup and i didn't do any research to make it.
You did the basic research that a computer can use a TV as its monitor. I've gathered that most people aren't willing to get even that far (1 2 3 4 5). You also, I assume, moved the PC into the same room as the TV, something a lot of people aren't willing to try.
All of the software is free.
Netflix player runs on PS3. It doesn't run on free PC operating systems.
* Lawfully.
I don't think you understand market research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_research
PS3 roolzorz!!1!!
That was the launch price of the PS3... you're an idiot. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you're%20an%20idiot
But console game development is not an "either/or" decision, it's a minimum returns decision.
Is PS moving at least X consoles per month? Yes? Ok, we'll develop a game for that console.
Is Xbox moving at least X consoles per month? Yes? Ok, we'll develop a game for that console.
Their relative market share doesn't matter... especially when they're so close as to warrant a "race".
The millions and millions of duplicate Xbox 360s sold over the past few years has helped Microsoft inflate their sales numbers in the US
That must explain why 360 games still routinely outsell their PS3 counterparts. Obviously all the fanboys are buying duplicate software as well. Damn those fanboys!
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Looks like someone is still angry he didn't get to play Portal 2 multiplayer for a month after the 360 owners got it. Perhaps you need a time out and nappy-nap.
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