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China Removes Cyberwar Video, Denies Everything
jjp9999 writes "Anyone looking for the video clip showing the Chinese regime launching cyberattacks using script kiddie tactics was greeted with a message stating 'Error Page — This page does not exist anymore,' on the state-run TV website. The propaganda video, still available on YouTube, included a clip showing an unseen user launching a cyberattack against an Alabama-based website of the Falun Gong meditation practice. China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.' The statement is the common line given by the regime after they're tacked with launching a global cyberattack — including after GhostNet, Operation Aurora, Operation Night Dragon, and Operation Shady Rat were revealed."
Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks
But the Chinese equivalent of the NSA sure did....
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Just man up and own it. For fuck's sake, it's just getting painful.
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The General was quoted as: "These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along."
This is amusing, but not particularly scary. Everyone expects this kind of behavior and lies out of the Chinese government, and acts accordingly. It's never the covert actions of our enemies that scare me *nearly* as much as the covert actions of my own government. After all, you can build walls to protect against an *outside* threat.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
disarm. read the teepeeleaks etchings. thanks again.
Yeah, I'm sure that producer also independently funded the broadcasting, the authorization on the state-run television station.
Can we get Cisco to put a rule on the Great Firewall of China to block all access to anything in the U.S. please? I'm sure the rest of the world wouldn't mind if suddenly China could no longer relentlessly badger them online either.
They are as bad as Crossfit.com for sanitizing reality...
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
...the US government will probably believe China.
I wish I could waltz out, commit a crime, and simply tell the officer "I didn't do it!" and not get in trouble for it.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they go to China, and in Tiananmen Square they have a plaque that says "On This Site in 1989, Nothing Happened"
please excuse my apathy
China is an effing disgrace. And I'm Chinese!
enough said
China's Defense Minister told the Washington Post via e-mail that the video was 'pure action of the producer,' adding that the 'Chinese military has never implemented any form of cyber attacks.'
Of course, what they don't tell you is that there are cyber units/departments in other ministries of the government. So they could be telling the complete truth when they say that the Chinese military has never implemented cyber attacks. Notice that they never said the Chinese GOVERNMENT has never implemented cyber attacks.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
The video ran on Chinese STATE-RUN television. That means that some hack in the massive Chinese censorship bureaucracy vetted this video and decided to show it to the Proletariat anyway. This entire summary is about how the Chinese pulled it from their STATE-RUN website and put up a message saying, "What? Who? Us? What video?" If this were just some random thing uploaded by Falun Gong supporters then your argument would hold water. Instead it's something that China ran on their-- let me say it again-- STATE-RUN television news, and Falun Gong supporters saw it and reuploaded it to the wider web to say, Ha ha, look how stupid China is.
Imagine the Tea Party creates a relatively boring propaganda video about government spending, but in the background for 3 seconds of one shot you can see Michelle Bachmann snorting cocaine. Someone at Huffington Post catches this, copies the video, and uploads it to their website saying, "Wow, busted!" The Tea Party turn around and delete the video from their website and claim it was never there, and then you come along on Slashdot and claim the whole thing was a HuffPo propaganda hit piece and that they orchestrated the whole thing.
In short, the Chinese Politburo would like to send you their sincerest thanks for backing up the party line.
"There was no cover-up."
"There is definitive proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction."
"We do not torture."
"They started it."
Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.
I figure China admitting to their hacking program is about as likely as the US owning up to the real reason for invading the middle east
Nicely done. Sadly meta-mod did not give me your post.
and once again, lets make this perfectly clear: the video footage in question was provided by a pro-falun gong website, showing depictions of attacks against falun gong sites.
No, you are wrong. Either you didn't read the article, didn't understand the article, or are deliberately spreading misinformation.
1.) The full video was provided by cntv.cn, which is the video archive of the state-controlled China Central Television network (originally at http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20110717/100139.shtml )
2.) The gleeful commentary about the slip-up in the content of the video was provided a pro Falun Gong website.
3.) Even the Chinese government did not blame Falun Gong for the video, but is blaming its own producer.
tl;dr: the video footage in question was provided by a Chinese state-controlled website
There was an sometimes amusing, usually frustrating, that seems to be somewhat unique to Chinese politicians. They'll publicly make baldfaced lies. There will be overwhelming evidence and they'll still blatantly deny it. Our politicians lie like hell, but they're more tactful about it. Once the secret is out they'll do a little tap dance to avoid actually addressing the issue. But not there, they'll just keep lying about it until everyone forgets about it, they're forced to resign or they end up in jail.
So it's not surprising in the least that they're denying this video. And the best part is that they'll deny these attacks and then gloat about it all behind our backs.
nobody should believe anything any "government official" says
it is all a bunch of self serving lies which serve to maintain the status quo and protect the ruling class
Well said, I could not possibly agree more.
And if the censorship isn't enough to be morally outraged over, let's not forget that the guy who produced the video, and potentially the guy who okayed it to run on tv, are probably on their way to a military-controlled work camp that's so far from civilization that they pipe in sunlight. Either that or they took them out behind the CNTV headquarters and shot them in the head, and they're sending the shell casings to their families along with a bill for the execution. Because that's the reality of justice with our biggest trading partner.
I like to think it's more like the refusal would be equivalent to the US insisting that they DIDN'T invade the Middle East, and that it was all just "Anti-US" propaganda and lies. I don't care what China's reasons are. The fact that they got getting caught doing it but are schizophrenically denying it is the part that bothers me.
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This is a country that has a history of pointing at a deer and call it a horse, or more recently calling Minnie Mouse a "cat with large ears." So why is this a surprise?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
One of these things is not like the other ones... =/
Diplomatic "courtesy" requires the US to believe China. Privately, everyone knows that a deer is a deer.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
The gist of the 10 minutes:
1. Cyber warfare is an emerging worldwide threat
2. Viruses pose the largest current threat, Morris worm shown as example
2. Many countries in the world are developing their cyber warfare capabilities
3. Chinese cyber defenses are weak and ill-prepared compared to most of these countries
4. The US integrated a cyber warfare department into its air force in 2006, made up of computer experts and hackers
5. The US has been using its world-leading cyber security abilities to its advantage in its middle east wars
6. The US often conducts cyber warfare exercises to improve its readiness
7. British MoD has been developing cyber weapons in preparation for possible future engagements
8. Iran, India, Israel, South Korea have already established internet army (cyber warfare departments)
9. Japan this year just established it's own "cyber self-defense group"
10. Chinese internet has experienced significant development, but is still weak in cyber defense compared to other countries
11. Because a cyber war has no front lines or depth of terrain, a proper cyber defense must integrate both military and civilian assets
12. Cyber defense and offense are two sides of the same coin, and while one may be prioritized above the other at different times, their mutual support is always fluid and dynamic
13. Large scale cyber warfare may be the future of modern warfare
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Humans lie all the time. :(
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"I am not a crook"
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
And my personal favorite, "I am not a reptilian humanoid."
And that hacks' kidneys, liver, and lungs are now available for transplant.
Imagine the Tea Party creates a relatively boring propaganda video about government spending, but in the background for 3 seconds of one shot you can see Michelle Bachmann snorting cocaine. Someone at Huffington Post catches this, copies the video, and uploads it to their website saying, "Wow, busted!" The Tea Party turn around and delete the video from their website and claim it was never there, and then you come along on Slashdot and claim the whole thing was a HuffPo propaganda hit piece and that they orchestrated the whole thing.
Bad analogy. Michelle Bachmann is well known. The China video is showing an "unseen" person.
If an unseen person is shown to be doing cocaine in a tea party video, I bet they'll do similar things as China is doing: deny connection and responsibility.
Even if the person shown is known, I bet the tea party/China will STILL deny it: they'll just disassociate themselves with that person ("he isn't/wasn't acting on our behalf. Going to punish him, etc")
It's the same thing Rupert Murdoch and co. did with NOTW: they didn't know. It's not their fault. it's the people they trusted (and they in turn trusted some other people...)
Only difference is China's attempts at denying/lying (that we know of) are rather poor (and they get away with it more often... funny how that works)
You know, those documents where saddams government claims to actually have those weapons, even if it was just to make his neighbors worry.
Bald-faced lies, the lingua franca of government.
Indeed. Quite opposed to corporations, trade unions, churches, scientists, public interest groups, police departments, community organizers, universities, charities, and individuals, all of which advance and defend their interests with 100% honesty and lamb-like innocence.
I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
Yeah I trust the Chinese almost as much as I trust Homeland Security...
> "who are for some reason completely convinced china is launching a massive digital attack against its primary trading partner."
I wasn't aware that Falun Gong was China's primary trading partner.
But, seriously, China has ample reasons to exploit security holes to conduct industrial and military espionage. They realize, as the US does, that the trade agreement is overlayed on top of *the* major rivalry of the 21st century.
Middle East?? What is this "Middle East" you speak of?
> "Bad analogy. Michelle Bachmann is well known. The China video is showing an "unseen" person.. If an unseen person is shown to be doing cocaine in a tea party video"
Bad analogy, since the hacker in the background is obviously following orders. Some random person in the background snorting cocaine would obviously be doing it for their own reasons, not because they were ordered to (which would give the tea party credibility in saying "they weren't doing it on our behalf"). Anyway, his analogy wasn't about who was giving orders or who was in control over the person in the background - it was about whether or not the video was fake. You picked out the wrong feature of the analogy and complained it didn't fit.
I'm sorry, China. I shouldn't have expected anything better than lies from any government. I am no longer outraged. You may continue operating as usual, but now you don't have to worry about our disapproval. Thank you, NicknamesAreStupid, for normalizing lies and deceit. I predict a rosey future for humanity when nobody even complains about government lies. And, I predict a wonderful existence for governments when they can lie without ever being held accountable, not even having to face social disapproval.
As long as we're at it, let's add a few more things: men and women cheat. Let's stop complaining about it. Let's just shrug and not even make people face social disapproval. Habitual cheaters everywhere, rejoice. You've just reached heaven.
The idea of "Lying", or more closely, "Denying", is more like they are purposely showing you your (or our) inability to do anything about what they just did right back in your face. I think it's more about "Screw you, scum. What can you do about it?" than "Who, me?" Which is pretty much what they do to their people all the time. "Might is right. Peasants suck. Go, Communism! Have a nice day." And they think they are making themselves "happier".
The point is not that you shouldn't be upset by these revelations. The point is that you should already be outraged. If you were in any way surprised by these actions you are terribly naive.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Link to the video in question?
Yeah, but nobody died when Clinton lied.
"There is definitive proof that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
Actually, there is. WWI technology, but still.
I am not a crook.
I did not have sex with that woman...
We have pass the bill so we can know what's in it.
We have created or saved X millions of jobs (depending on when He says it.)
We did launch any cyber attacks...no, not us!
So we should attack our problems now instead of letting them grow. Just because they're not as bad doesn't mean we shouldn't focus on them.
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Them denying it reminds me of Leslie Nelson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
Think they'll send a DMCA take-down notice to YouTube next?
After the so called "communist revolution," ended in 1949, they INVADED and occupied Tibet. They still do. Free Tibet!
They aided North Korea, in the INVASION of South Korea and had there arse handed to them on a plate.
They INVADED India and had there arse handed to them on a plate.
They INVADED Vietnam and had there arse handed to them on a plate.
Ergo, the CCP have a chip on there shoulder and are extremely aggressive. Anyone who tells you trade with them is good, is ignorant and self-serving.
GreekGeek.
Bad analogy, since the hacker in the background is obviously following orders. Some random person in the background snorting cocaine would obviously be doing it for their own reasons, not because they were ordered to (which would give the tea party credibility in saying "they weren't doing it on our behalf").
Same difference. Replace "doing cocaine" with "doing cocaine under orders". Point still stands, that the tea party (or anyone else) would just deny the responsibility. In fact, you pointing out the difference (one is being ordered, other is not) even further points out how bad the original analogy is. So... thanks for proving my point
Anyway, his analogy wasn't about who was giving orders or who was in control over the person in the background - it was about whether or not the video was fake. You picked out the wrong feature of the analogy and complained it didn't fit.
If you bothered to read the rest of the comment, the "complaint" of the bad analogy was just an opener. The rest (the meat) of the comment was about how if pretty much anybody else was in the same situation would do the same thing - deny and lie, and the only difference here is China usually does a bad job at lying
YOU picked the wrong thing in the comment to complain about.
We're not the intended target of the lie. To China, the West is hostile to them. We already have a crappy opinion of their government, and they couldn't care less if our opinion got any worse.
The lie is for the Chinese people. If they can fool the Chinese people into believing this never happened, that helps them stay in power that much longer. In fact, if they can convince the Chinese people that this was all a lie made up by the West (and Falun Gong), it's a net positive for them. This is the kind of BS you can successfully pull off if there isn't a free press.
The Chinese people have an even crappier opinion of their government than we do.
I watched the original on cntv.cn yesterday before they took it down. I'm not exactly sure how Falun Gong was able to hack cntv.cn.
Eh? The same one that the person I replied to was referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
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The Chinese are almost as bad as Crossfit for saniziing reality.
I didn't do it.
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From The Article
China has banned 100 songs from being featured on websites, barring artists ranging from Lady Gaga to the Backstreet Boys apparently for being out of tune with the country's cultural authorities. The ministry of culture said it aimed to regulate the "order" of the Internet music market, adding songs that "harm the security of state culture must be cleaned up and regulated under the law". The notice, issued on August 19 and posted on the ministry's website, included American singer Lady Gaga's "The Edge of Glory", "Hair", "Marry the Night" and "Bloody Mary".
Dear Chinese Leaders:
You people are about as stupid as a box of fucking hair if you think Beyonce or the Backstreet Boys or Lady Gaga is somehow going to corrupt your already corrupt crony statist capitalism. Please buy a clue: Pop garbage is the BEST way to keep your people in the dark. Look at the USA. The people there fill their lives with an endless stream of horseshit, and the closest thing these boneheads have to a viable "opposition to the system" is the astroturfed morons of the Tea Party who think that government involvement in their Medicare system is a problem, which is a bit like getting the government out of the Dept of Motor Vehicles, but I digress. You get my point. Americans are so doped up on stupid "Reality" TV, barking bullshit on twitter, maundering on what they had for lunch on Facebook, and sitting glazed in front of youtube videos of kittens playing piano, that stuff like Lady Gaga is what passes for high art in these chowderhead's minds. This is NOT subversive - it only works to keep them cowed and stupid and in front of the screen and off the streets.
You should be advocating every bit of brain drool America can send you, and pretty soon your populace will be just as dull and incurious as the Americans.
Now, cheerfully go fuck yourselves you pathetic two bit losers.
RS
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All the Chinese lovers will tell that this was not real. And when the nukes hit America and Europe, well, that was because we deserved it, or that China launched 100 of them by mistake.
Its funny. I opposed our war efforts against USSR back in the early 80's because it was obvious to most of us in the DOD that USSR was simply falling. reagan did nothing but waste money and prolong them by sell them grain cheaply. But as I look at this situation with China, it is obvious that they are in a cold war with us and that so many Westerners buy their BS. Even Vietnam, India, Japan, South Korea, and Cambodia do not buy this BS.
We didn't unilaterally invade, oh no, it was purely a defensive action because Iraq had weapons that they were planning to use on us. That's a lie, and the government has never admitted it, even though they got caught.
Oh no, we are not torturing people, but when the government got caught waterboarding people they refused to admit it, and even tried to redefine torture rather than admit the lie. Guantanamo Bay is still open and operating, in fact.
I do not see the huge difference here.
And yet this thread shows that at least some of us buy into our own government's lies without much reflection. So maybe it works anyway.
...is futile. ROFLMAO. They will eventually fail miserably and the way they value "face" who knows what will happen. It's good comedy though.
Touche.
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This is low-level war and a harbinger of warmer wars to come.
This go way back to 1100, the Chinese are alway looking to get the upper hand. To them, anyone on outside is the emeny, and that will never change. They are always looking to take you and smile while doing it.
But Chinese Americans tend to be like those in the Chinese government, or? Quiet, sit by themselves,and before you know it you lost your head. I saw a film by Kurosawa. So way cool. US, now, lose head. Way cool. Haa-haa-haa.
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